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Title: wtc 7 conspiracy
Post by: big L dawg on February 22, 2011, 10:16:37 PM
Building 7 was the third skyscraper to be reduced to rubble on September 11, 2001. According to the government, fires, primarily, leveled this building, but fires have never before or since destroyed a steel skyscraper.

The team that investigated the collapse were kept away from the crime scene. By the time they published their inconclusive report in May, 2002, the evidence had been destroyed.

Why did the government rapidly recycle the steel from the largest and most mysterious engineering failure in world history, and why has the media remained silent?
Title: Re: wtc 7
Post by: big L dawg on February 22, 2011, 10:18:27 PM
Foreknowledge of WTC 7's Collapse

Of the two principle theories of WTC 7's collapse -- one being global structural failure due to prior debris impact and ongoing fire damage, and the other being controlled demolition -- the second is favored by foreknowledge of the collapse. This is particularly true given the lack of precedent of total collapses of steel framed structures during fires. So unprecedented was the collapse of Building 7 that the government has yet to explain it, in 2007.

That would probably be lost on most responders on the site, who would have the fresh memories of the Twin Towers' explosions to help them accept the notion that the total of collapse of smoking skyscrapers is a natural and even predictable occurrence.

Witness reports show that officials who controlled the streets around WTC 7 evacuated the area in the hour before the 5:20 PM collapse, and that various officials forwarded verbal warnings conveying certainty that the collapse would occur. Network television broadcasts contain announcements of the collapse at least as 23 minutes before the event.
Witness Accounts of Foreknowledge

This overview of witness accounts shows that the evacuation of the area surrounding WTC 7 started sometime around 4 PM, and was completed only a few minutes before the 5:20 collapse. The warnings of the collapse, which are recalled in dozens of accounts by emergency responders, show a striking consistency of conviction that the collapse would occur.
Premature Announcements on Television Broadcasts
The BBC announces the collapse of WTC 7 as the facade stands behind correspondent Jane Standley.

At least two television networks made premature announcements of the collapse of WTC 7. The BBC unequivocally announced the collapse about 23 minutes before the fact, and even featured a New York correspondent speaking of the collapse in past tense with the still-erect skyscraper standing behind her.

CNN anchor Aaron Brown announced that the building "has either collapsed or is collapsing" about an hour before the event. Unlike the BBC correspondent, Brown seemed to be able to read the skyline and see that Building 7 was still standing -- perhaps accounting for the muddled announcement.

These premature reports were uncovered in the wake of the publication of URLS of a vast archive of television footage



The premature announcements of the collapse of WTC by television networks went unnoticed until researchers discovered a vast archive of television broadcast footage from the day of the attack. On February 22, 2007, a post on 911Blogger.com listed the URLs on Archive.org of 417 mpeg recordings capturing about 60 hours broadcast coverage starting on the morning of 9/11/01 from each of six different television stations. Each of the high-quality recordings covering about 41 minutes of broadcast.

The coverage included the following television stations and time spans:
TV station    start time    end time
NBC4 Washington    9/11 08:31    9/13 20:23
ABC7 Washington    9/11 08:31    9/13 22:29
BBC    9/11 09:16    9/13 20:19
FOX5 Washington    9/11 08:31    9/13 20:23
CNN    9/11 08:48    9/13 20:33
CBS9 Washington    9/11 08:31    9/13 20:23

Unfortunately, Archive.org made the footage archive inaccessible to the public shortly after the BBC foreknowledge story was publicized.
Title: Re: wtc 7
Post by: Brixtonbulldog on February 22, 2011, 10:19:27 PM
"..and here, we, GO."

(http://fc05.deviantart.net/fs32/f/2008/234/c/3/Here_we_go_joker_ref_pic_by_sullen_skrewt.jpg)
Title: Re: wtc 7
Post by: big L dawg on February 22, 2011, 10:19:35 PM
Fires Versus Steel Buildings

The official explanation that fires caused the collapse of Building 7 is incredible in light of the fact that fires have never caused a steel-framed building to totally collapse, before or after September 11th, 2001.

Steel-framed high-rises (buildings of fifteen stories or more) have been common for more than 100 years. There have been hundreds of incidents involving severe fires in such buildings, and none have led to complete collapse, or even partial collapse of support columns.
view of fire in First Interstate Building in Los Angeles
The Interstate Bank Building fire consumed several floors but did not damage the steel superstructure.

Recent examples of high-rise fires include the 1991 One Meridian Plaza fire in Philadelphia, which raged for 18 hours and gutted 8 floors of the 38-floor building; 1   and the 1988 First Interstate Bank Building fire in Los Angeles, which burned out of control for 3-1/2 hours and gutted 4 floors of the 64 floor tower. Both of these fires were far more severe than any fires seen in Building 7, but those buildings did not collapse. The Los Angeles fire was described as producing "no damage to the main structural members". 2  

Research indicates that even if a steel-framed building were subjected to an impossible superfire, hundreds of degrees hotter and far more extensive then any fire ever observed in a real building, it would still not collapse.
Title: Re: wtc 7
Post by: lovemonkey on February 22, 2011, 10:19:49 PM
It's so weird how that building just pretty much fell on its own. Even IF it's a government conspiracy, what would be the reason for leveling it? What would "they" get out of it? The twin towers makes more sense in that respect.
Title: Re: wtc 7
Post by: big L dawg on February 22, 2011, 10:20:42 PM
http://wtc7.net/index.html
Title: Re: wtc 7
Post by: big L dawg on February 22, 2011, 10:21:50 PM
Building 7's Rubble Pile

Less than seven seconds after Building 7 began to implode, all that was left of the steel skyscraper was a rubble pile. The rubble pile is notable for several features:

WTC 7 rubble pile * its location - It was centered around the vertical axis of the former building.
* its size - The pile from the 47-story building was less than two stories high.
* its tidiness - The pile was almost entirely within the footprint of the former building

What does the shape of the rubble pile indicate about the events leading to the collapse of building 7?

Consider the rubble piles produced by other collapses. The only examples of total collapses of steel frame highrises (excepting WTC 1, 2, and 7) involved either severe earthquakes or controlled demolition.
Total collapses due to earthquakes are extremely rare. The rubble piles of the few documented cases had none of the above features. 1 
Total collapses due to controlled demolition generally have all of the above features. In fact, to achieve such a small, consolidated rubble pile is one of the main objectives of a controlled demolition.

Title: Re: wtc 7
Post by: big L dawg on February 22, 2011, 10:23:17 PM
The Destruction of Building 7's Remains

Engineering is a science that melds theory and experience to create robust structures. Unintended structural failures are rare events that warrant the most careful scrutiny, since they test engineering theory.

That is why the NTSB carefully documents aircraft crash scenes, and preserves the aircraft remains, frequently creating partial reconstructions in hangars. If an investigation reveals a mechanical or design fault, the FAA usually mandates specific modifications of equipment or maintenance procedures system-wide, and future aircraft are designed to avoid the fault.

Unintended structural failures are less common in steel-framed highrises than in aircraft. Being the only such building in history in which fire is blamed for total collapse, Building 7's remains warranted the most painstaking examination, documentation, and analysis.
aerial view of Ground Zero Building 7's rubble pile was at least as important as any archeological dig. It contained all the clues to one of the largest structural failures in history. Without understanding the cause of the collapse, all skyscrapers become suspect, with profound implications for the safety of occupants and for the ethics of sending emergency personnel into burning buildings to save people and fight fires.

There was no legitimate reason not to dismantle the rubble pile carefully, documenting the position of each piece of steel and moving it to a warehouse for further study. No one was thought buried in the pile, since, unlike the Twin Towers, Building 7 had been evacuated hours before the collapse. The pile was so well confined to the building's footprint that the adjacent streets could have been cleared without disturbing it.

Yet, despite the paramount importance of the remains, they were hauled away and melted down as quickly as possible. The steel was sold to scrap metal vendors and most of it was soon on ships bound for China and India. Some of the smaller pieces and a few token large pieces of steel marked 'save' were allowed to be inspected at Fresh Kills landfill by FEMA's BPAT volunteers.

This illegal evidence destruction operation was conducted over the objections of attack victims' family members and respected public safety officials. Bill Manning, editor of the 125-year-old Fire Engineering Magazine, wrote in an article condemning the operation:
Did they throw away the locked doors from the Triangle Shirtwaist fire? Did they throw away the gas can used at the happy land social club fire? ... That's what they're doing at the World Trade Center. The destruction and removal of evidence must stop immediately. 1 
Dr. Frederick W. Mowrer, an associate professor in the Fire Protection Engineering Department at the University of Maryland, was quoted in the New York Times as saying:
I find the speed with which potentially important evidence has been removed and recycled to be appalling. 2 

Officials running the "cleanup operation" took pains to make sure the structural steel didn't end up anywhere but in blast furnaces. They installed GPS locator devices on each of the trucks hauling loads from Ground Zero at a cost of $1000 each. One driver who took an extended lunch break was dismissed. 3   
Title: Re: wtc 7
Post by: JOHN MATRIX on February 23, 2011, 12:12:30 AM
wtc7 is the big gaping hole in the whole official story. it was clearly, CLEARLY a controlled demo. i was one of those people who just blew off all the 'conspiracy theories', until i started looking into why and how wtc7 fell and why it was never mentioned and nobody seems to know about it.

looking into why and how wtc7 fell will make a believer out of anyone with half a brain.
Title: Re: wtc 7
Post by: Army of One on February 23, 2011, 12:17:07 AM
Anyone who still believes in this nonsense should head on over to the james randi skeptic forum and go to the 9/11 conspiracy section on there, the members there will tear you a new asshole on any part of it, probably the highest IQ members of any forum Ive seen, no coincidence most of them are atheists and skeptics, men of science.

http://forums.randi.org/forumdisplay.php?f=64

Threads on WTC7

http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=131756

http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=197442

Read that and then come back and tell me it was a conspiracy.

On that note it would be hilarious to see Sev try and bullshit his "claims" over there  ;D
Title: Re: wtc 7
Post by: daddy8ball on February 23, 2011, 03:16:01 AM
Wow. All that trouble to hijack planes, controlled demos, misinformation, etc...

And still didn't plant WMD's in the Iraqi desert. Hmmm....
Title: Re: wtc 7
Post by: devilsmile on February 23, 2011, 03:28:04 AM
Everyone knows it was an inside job... those who don't believe in santa claus.





Title: Re: wtc 7
Post by: 240 is Back on February 23, 2011, 04:03:39 AM
WTC7 was home to a lot of govt agencies and NYC's "control center" for serious shit.   Look at the names that were in this building (coincidentally) when the planes hit.  Rudy was there. 

Eventually, some file, memo, or blueprint would have left this building. 


So whether anything on that day was *whatever*....
IF it was (believe whatever you'd like), WTC7 would have been the control center for *whatever* was happening.



Hell, I think the bigger Q people should ask was "Why did fema set up huge medical centers with cots and staff right up the street from the towers the evening of Sept 10th? 
Title: Re: wtc 7
Post by: #1 Klaus fan on February 23, 2011, 04:18:15 AM
Anyone who still believes in this nonsense should head on over to the james randi skeptic forum and go to the 9/11 conspiracy section on there, the members there will tear you a new asshole on any part of it, probably the highest IQ members of any forum Ive seen, no coincidence most of them are atheists and skeptics, men of science.

http://forums.randi.org/forumdisplay.php?f=64

Threads on WTC7

http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=131756

http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=197442

Read that and then come back and tell me it was a conspiracy.

On that note it would be hilarious to see Sev try and bullshit his "claims" over there  ;D

I thought I could find some intelligent discussion but was I wrong. That forum is worse than getbig. And for intelligent people many seem to swallow the us vs them nationalistic world view without any problems.
Title: Re: wtc 7
Post by: jwb on February 23, 2011, 04:18:55 AM
You guys realize the hyjackers never intended to bring down any buildings don't you?

Just hitting them was their goal and the death and damage would have got their message across plenty well enough.

The fact they fell was a bonus but wasn't something they could control so they wouldn't have even thought about it.
Title: Re: wtc 7
Post by: Tito24 on February 23, 2011, 05:11:49 AM
many eyewitnesses heard explosions before the towers came down as well.
dont forget that the fbi helped bombing the wtc in 93.
Title: Re: wtc 7
Post by: makaveli25 on February 23, 2011, 06:32:52 AM
Truthers are idiots. How would they keep everyones mouth shut who was in on it? You know how much that would cost! It would bankrupt the U.S ten times over. How good is our Goverement at keeping secrets. Are President can't even get a blow job in the white house without the whole world finding out. If this really happened you don't think more people wouldn't have come forward with some real solid concrete evidence! Retards.
Title: Re: wtc 7
Post by: The Showstoppa on February 23, 2011, 06:34:13 AM
Truthers are idiots. How would they keep everyones mouth shut who was in on it? You know how much that would cost! It would bankrupt the U.S ten times over. How good is our Goverement at keeping secrets. Are President can't even get a blow job in the white house without the whole world finding out. If this really happened you don't think more people wouldn't have come forward with some real solid concrete evidence! Retards.

 ;D
Title: Re: wtc 7
Post by: tendonitis on February 23, 2011, 06:38:12 AM
Truthers are idiots. How would they keep everyones mouth shut who was in on it? You know how much that would cost! It would bankrupt the U.S ten times over. How good is our Goverement at keeping secrets. Are President can't even get a blow job in the white house without the whole world finding out. If this really happened you don't think more people wouldn't have come forward with some real solid concrete evidence! Retards.
x1,000
Our government can't even deliver a letter on time, yet they can pull off 9/11. 
Title: Re: wtc 7
Post by: HTexan on February 23, 2011, 06:43:06 AM
(http://www.contractortalk.com/attachments/f11/23007d1252548069-reminder-not_this_shit_again.jpg)
Title: Re: wtc 7
Post by: makaveli25 on February 23, 2011, 06:50:54 AM
A group of experts came up with the amount of goverement officials it would to pull this off. Somewhere between 8 and 10 thousand. You think that many people can keep quite? There is no way in hell this could of been an inside job!
Title: Re: wtc 7
Post by: makaveli25 on February 23, 2011, 07:06:51 AM
That number doesn't include the tens of thousands of people it would of took to wire up the buildings with explosives. You think they're all gonna keep quite.  ::)
Title: Re: wtc 7
Post by: 225for70 on February 23, 2011, 07:26:41 AM
No jewish peoples were harmed in the making of 9/11
Title: Re: wtc 7
Post by: Wiggs on February 23, 2011, 07:38:23 AM
No jewish peoples were harmed in the making of 9/11


lol...oh boy not this shit again.
Title: Re: wtc 7
Post by: Alexander D on February 23, 2011, 08:05:38 AM
I seriously doubt any Engineer who designed the buildings took into consideration what would happen to the steel support system if 2 airplanes crashed into the buildings and exploded with thousands of gallons of jet fuel...
Title: Re: wtc 7
Post by: Top Dog on February 23, 2011, 08:15:55 AM
A group of experts came up with the amount of goverement officials it would to pull this off. Somewhere between 8 and 10 thousand. You think that many people can keep quite? There is no way in hell this could of been an inside job!
Exactly.
Title: Re: wtc 7
Post by: #1 Klaus fan on February 23, 2011, 08:30:37 AM
I seriously doubt any Engineer who designed the buildings took into consideration what would happen to the steel support system if 2 airplanes crashed into the buildings and exploded with thousands of gallons of jet fuel...

Of course they did. 9/11 wasn't the first time an airplane crashed into a highrise.
Title: Re: wtc 7
Post by: lovemonkey on February 23, 2011, 08:33:10 AM
Of course they did. 9/11 wasn't the first time an airplane crashed into a highrise.

Especially when the two buildings they designed were located pretty damn close to an air traffic highway not to mention the two airports it leads to.
Title: Re: wtc 7
Post by: newmom on February 23, 2011, 08:36:52 AM


Hell, I think the bigger Q people should ask was "Why did fema set up huge medical centers with cots and staff right up the street from the towers the evening of Sept 10th? 

and let's not forget the Lovely Conda Rice's call to the mayor of San Fran telling him not to fly the day before..hmmmmmm
Title: Re: wtc 7
Post by: makaveli25 on February 23, 2011, 08:51:28 AM
People are dumber then I thought on here. You think all of those high ranking goverement officials would go in on something of this magnitude together and expect to get away with it  ::) Do you know the penalty they would of faced if any of this got out. They would be sentenced to death! Their families would be fucked their fortunes stripped!

Something this big would take an incredible amount of planning/funding. Wheres the paper trail? Why isn't there anything on wiki leaks. Not one person has come out with any proof?  ::) You don't think someone would try desperately to get rich off of valuable information.

Do you think our goverement is really that smart at orchestrating something at the level of the 9/11 attacks? There would be so many agencies and planning involved again why hasn't anything surfaced? Why would they go after something so high profile and not do something a lot easier that would have similiar consequences? Whyn't plant some bodies somewhere and some evidence that it was caused my middle east terroists.

You can tell who the suckers are just bye reading this thread.
Title: Re: wtc 7
Post by: newmom on February 23, 2011, 08:52:25 AM
I'm not saying I believe it was a conspiracy but certain things make you wonder is all
Title: Re: wtc 7
Post by: Top Dog on February 23, 2011, 08:54:59 AM
People are dumber then I thought on here. You think all of those high ranking goverement officials would go in on something of this magnitude together and expect to get away with it  ::) Do you know the penalty they would of faced if any of this got out. They would be sentenced to death! Their families would be fucked their fortunes stripped!

Something this big would take an incredible amount of planning/funding. Wheres the paper trail? Why isn't there anything on wiki leaks. Not one person has come out with any proof?  ::) You don't think someone would try desperately to get rich off of valuable information.

Do you think our goverement is really that smart at orchestrating something at the level of the 9/11 attacks? There would be so many agencies and planning involved again why hasn't anything surfaced? Why would they go after something so high profile and not do something a lot easier that would have similiar consequences? Whyn't plant some bodies somewhere and some evidence that it was caused my middle east terroists.

You can tell who the suckers are just bye reading this thread.
All the geniuses who hang out on a bodybuilding forum in the middle of the day will usually have all the answers to such complex issues. Your post is spot on.
Title: Re: wtc 7
Post by: no one on February 23, 2011, 09:00:02 AM


in before basille calls everyone posting in this thread flotsam and uneducated conspiracy theorists.
Title: Re: wtc 7
Post by: newmom on February 23, 2011, 09:01:12 AM
All the geniuses who hang out on a bodybuilding forum in the middle of the day will usually have all the answers to such complex issues. Your post is spot on.

LMAO
Title: Re: wtc 7
Post by: tendonitis on February 23, 2011, 09:02:59 AM
All the geniuses who hang out on a bodybuilding forum in the middle of the day will usually have all the answers to such complex issues. Your post is spot on.
;D
Title: Re: wtc 7
Post by: Master Blaster on February 23, 2011, 09:19:44 AM

in before basille calls everyone posting in this thread flotsam and uneducated conspiracy theorists.

lol at "flotsam"
Title: Re: wtc 7
Post by: Fury on February 23, 2011, 09:51:41 AM
People are dumber then I thought on here. You think all of those high ranking goverement officials would go in on something of this magnitude together and expect to get away with it  ::) Do you know the penalty they would of faced if any of this got out. They would be sentenced to death! Their families would be fucked their fortunes stripped!

Something this big would take an incredible amount of planning/funding. Wheres the paper trail? Why isn't there anything on wiki leaks. Not one person has come out with any proof?  ::) You don't think someone would try desperately to get rich off of valuable information.

Do you think our goverement is really that smart at orchestrating something at the level of the 9/11 attacks? There would be so many agencies and planning involved again why hasn't anything surfaced? Why would they go after something so high profile and not do something a lot easier that would have similiar consequences? Whyn't plant some bodies somewhere and some evidence that it was caused my middle east terroists.

You can tell who the suckers are just bye reading this thread.

We have Google, thus our power knows no bounds. Traipsing through the bowels of the internet led to my enlightenment in the form of fat 40-year-olds living in their parent's basements who know everything and anything about stuff like this. Why do they know? Because they too are fellow Google wizards.
Title: Re: wtc 7
Post by: Rami on February 23, 2011, 09:54:26 AM
So who must we roll in tar and feathers for this? 

Title: Re: wtc 7
Post by: Spike on February 23, 2011, 09:57:21 AM
I HAVE SAID THIS BEFORE

THE ATTACKS OF 9/11 were carried out by THE MOSSAD

A Mossad surveillance team made quite a public spectacle of themselves on 9/11. The New York Times reported that a group of five men had set up video cameras aimed at the Twin Towers prior to the attacks, and were seen congratulating one another afterwards.

Police received several calls from angry New Jersey residents claiming "middle-eastern" men with a white van were videotaping the disaster with shouts of joy and mockery.

"They were like happy, you know … They didn't look shocked to me" said a witness.

They were seen by New Jersey residents on Sept. 11 making fun of the World Trade Center ruins and going to extreme lengths to photograph themselves in front of the wreckage.
Witnesses saw them jumping for joy in Liberty State Park after the initial impact. Later on, other witnesses saw them celebrating on a roof in Weehawken, and still more witnesses later saw them celebrating with high fives in a Jersey City parking lot. "It looked like they're hooked in with this. It looked like they knew what was going to happen when they were at Liberty State Park".

http://whatreallyhappened.wikia.com/wiki/Five_Dancing_Israelis (http://whatreallyhappened.wikia.com/wiki/Five_Dancing_Israelis)
Title: Re: wtc 7
Post by: Les Grossman on February 23, 2011, 09:57:40 AM
Of course they did. 9/11 wasn't the first time an airplane crashed into a highrise.

It would be impractical to design buildings to withstand the fuel load induced by a burning commercial airliner. Instead of saving the building, engineers would focus on saving the lives of those inside by designing better safety and evacuation systems.

Title: Re: wtc 7
Post by: big L dawg on February 23, 2011, 11:19:50 AM
why do people keep talking about fuel burning and planes hitting buildings?...this thread is about wtc 7 which was not subjected to either of those things...
Title: Re: wtc 7
Post by: Tito24 on February 23, 2011, 11:26:41 AM
but that a bunch of backwarded cavemen pulled this off on their own is still questionable imo.
Title: Re: wtc 7
Post by: Bam-bam on February 23, 2011, 11:28:34 AM
but that a bunch of backwarded cavemen pulled this off on their own is still questionable imo.

they do try hard tho
Title: Re: wtc 7
Post by: makaveli25 on February 23, 2011, 11:32:05 AM
but that a bunch of backwarded cavemen pulled this off on their own is still questionable imo.

I agree its amazing what they pulled off.
Title: Re: wtc 7
Post by: Croatch on February 23, 2011, 11:39:22 AM
WTC 7 was controlled demolition...100%.
The owner went back on what he said, in his initial interview to cover it up.

Watch how the building falls, it's obvious.

WTC 1 & 2...I'm not so sure demolition was the cause.  They claim they fell at freefall speeds...not exactly.  If you really time it, it's around 15 seconds, not freefall speed.

And people who claim our government couldn't possibly cover this up...are idiots.  Keep telling yourself...Oswald killed Kennedy too.
 ::)

Since the beginning of time, wars are created like this.  After 911, Bush was given free reign to invade whomever he wanted based on the "war on terror".  Sometimes, it takes a big event to get people behind you.  We're still dicking around in Iraq almost a decade later based on nuclear weapons that didn't exist.  Wake up yoyos.
Title: Re: wtc 7
Post by: The Showstoppa on February 23, 2011, 11:41:30 AM
WTC 7 was controlled demolition...100%.
The owner went back on what he said, in his initial interview to cover it up.

Watch how the building falls, it's obvious.

WTC 1 & 2...I'm not so sure demolition was the cause.  They claim they fell at freefall speeds...not exactly.  If you really time it, it's around 15 seconds, not freefall speed.

And people who claim our government couldn't possibly cover this up...are idiots.  Keep telling yourself...Oswald killed Kennedy too.
 ::)

Since the beginning of time, wars are created like this.  After 911, Bush was given free reign to invade whomever he wanted based on the "war on terror".  Sometimes, it takes a big event to get people behind you.  We're still dicking around in Iraq almost a decade later based on nuclear weapons that didn't exist.  Wake up yoyos.

 ::)
Title: Re: wtc 7
Post by: JOHN MATRIX on February 23, 2011, 11:45:37 AM
I seriously doubt any Engineer who designed the buildings took into consideration what would happen to the steel support system if 2 airplanes crashed into the buildings and exploded with thousands of gallons of jet fuel...

ROFL...ironically, they designed the twin towers with this scenario in mind. they were designed to withstand MULTIPLE airplane hits and not fall....
Title: Re: wtc 7
Post by: Tito24 on February 23, 2011, 11:46:45 AM


Title: Re: wtc 7
Post by: JOHN MATRIX on February 23, 2011, 11:47:58 AM
People are dumber then I thought on here. You think all of those high ranking goverement officials would go in on something of this magnitude together and expect to get away with it  ::) Do you know the penalty they would of faced if any of this got out. They would be sentenced to death! Their families would be fucked their fortunes stripped!

Something this big would take an incredible amount of planning/funding. Wheres the paper trail? Why isn't there anything on wiki leaks. Not one person has come out with any proof?  ::) You don't think someone would try desperately to get rich off of valuable information.

Do you think our goverement is really that smart at orchestrating something at the level of the 9/11 attacks? There would be so many agencies and planning involved again why hasn't anything surfaced? Why would they go after something so high profile and not do something a lot easier that would have similiar consequences? Whyn't plant some bodies somewhere and some evidence that it was caused my middle east terroists.

You can tell who the suckers are just bye reading this thread.

this is exactly how i used to respond to these threads.

then i started looking into the mysterious 'collapse' of building 7 and it totally changed my mind.
Title: Re: wtc 7
Post by: Aerian on February 23, 2011, 11:48:20 AM
ROFL...ironically, they designed the twin towers with this scenario in mind. they were designed to withstand MULTIPLE airplane hits and not fall....

That is exactly what i heard over and over as well years ago.  Modern Skyscrapers are built to take these type of actions (planes flying into them by accident of course in most cases).
Title: Re: wtc 7
Post by: jwb on February 23, 2011, 11:50:32 AM
ROFL...ironically, they designed the twin towers with this scenario in mind. they were designed to withstand MULTIPLE airplane hits and not fall....
767's didn't exist when the towers were designed the biggest jet was the 707 which is the same size as a 737-800.

Much larger plane, full of fuel, going a lot faster than cruising speed.

Title: Re: wtc 7
Post by: JOHN MATRIX on February 23, 2011, 11:53:21 AM
That is exactly what i heard over and over as well years ago.  Modern Skyscrapers are built to take these type of actions (planes flying into them by accident of course in most cases).

and in any case, why did building 7 fall?

no planes hit it, and it had only a few small isolated fires on certain *convenient* floors.

several of the surrounding buildings took much more damage yet stood...

then building 7 suddenly falls neatly into its own footprint in a textbook controlled demo. hell look at the video, the building looks damn near perfect when it suddenly just falls straight down ROFL

(http://davidraygriffin.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/wtc7ostrich.jpg)
Title: Re: wtc 7
Post by: 240 is Back on February 23, 2011, 11:57:11 AM
pools of molten steel measured by nasa....days later....  temperatures still way above the maximum termperature achieveable by jet fuel.  common with explosives, impossible with jet fuel.  We're talking hotter than it was at the moment of explosion, hotter than anything burning in the towers...

Now, if these pools were located under towers 1 and 2, there would be some serious Qs to answer, right?

Then you'd probably be REALLy shocked if the same puddles were under WTC7, huh?  ;)
Title: Re: wtc 7
Post by: makaveli25 on February 23, 2011, 12:10:42 PM
WTC 7 was controlled demolition...100%.
The owner went back on what he said, in his initial interview to cover it up.

Watch how the building falls, it's obvious.

WTC 1 & 2...I'm not so sure demolition was the cause.  They claim they fell at freefall speeds...not exactly.  If you really time it, it's around 15 seconds, not freefall speed.

And people who claim our government couldn't possibly cover this up...are idiots.  Keep telling yourself...Oswald killed Kennedy too.
 ::)

Since the beginning of time, wars are created like this.  After 911, Bush was given free reign to invade whomever he wanted based on the "war on terror".  Sometimes, it takes a big event to get people behind you.  We're still dicking around in Iraq almost a decade later based on nuclear weapons that didn't exist.  Wake up yoyos.

You simpelton you think killing one man compares to taking down 3 fucking buildings. Again it would take between 8-10 thousand people to orchestrate this kind of attack. People might not like Bush but the man is not capable of something like this. Think about how sadastic those 8-10 people would be. Why would the person at the low end of the totem pull who helped "pull this off" not sing like a canary right now for a couple of million dollars. It's logic! Not that many people can keep a secret!
Title: Re: wtc 7
Post by: jwb on February 23, 2011, 12:11:01 PM
Nice to see everyone here has advanced science degrees!

We know for a fact wtc7 was damaged by wtc1 falling into it not just fire. Its structure was weakened the same as the towers. Fire further weakened the steel. Steel doesn't need to melt to fail when a heavy building is on top of it.

Wtc7 was also not a rectangular building as the famous video implies it was trapezoidal. The narrow side was the one damaged and where the collapse started well below the area visible on the video. The wider rear of the building visible didn't fail it simply fell once the collapse started the same as the top of the towers didn't fail they just fell once it gave way below them.



Title: Re: wtc 7
Post by: BIG_STI on February 23, 2011, 12:13:55 PM
Wasn't there a huge case against Enron in WTC 7 for ripping the California people off for the sum of $90 billion that went up in smoke when the building came down?
Title: Re: wtc 7
Post by: makaveli25 on February 23, 2011, 12:16:37 PM
http://www.debunking911.com/pull.htm (http://www.debunking911.com/pull.htm)
This website debunks the myths with science and backed evidence.
Title: Re: wtc 7
Post by: Tito24 on February 23, 2011, 12:19:50 PM
(http://www.independent.co.uk/multimedia/dynamic/00561/gaddafi-REUTERS_561761s.jpg)
Title: Re: wtc 7
Post by: makaveli25 on February 23, 2011, 12:21:11 PM
(http://www.independent.co.uk/multimedia/dynamic/00561/gaddafi-REUTERS_561761s.jpg)

Wheres the pictures of his female bodyguards?
Title: Re: wtc 7
Post by: makaveli25 on February 23, 2011, 12:29:25 PM
(http://i53.tinypic.com/w0gw1e.jpg)

Don't you see how ridiculously complicated this whole thing would have to be. How many people would have to stay quite for this long.

With all the people that despise Bush you don't think they would want to dig this up and uncover the conspiracy I mean come on.

A lot of people on here call Bush incompetent. How would he pull of the greatest cover up ever in human history then. It would of had to been the greatest cover up times a million.

Hope I changed some minds.
Title: Re: wtc 7
Post by: Nails on February 23, 2011, 12:57:20 PM
(http://i53.tinypic.com/w0gw1e.jpg)


its crazy how this cartoon describes exactly how it went down.... way to many questions unanswered to satisfy americans.... Btw you are in the minority when it comes to this makaveli25... makaveli conspired to fake his death and kill his enemies ... sorta what george bush did with iraq


 http://www.infowars.com/articles/sept11/cnn_poll2.htm (http://www.infowars.com/articles/sept11/cnn_poll2.htm)


CNN Poll: 90% Believe US Government Covering Up 9/11







Title: Re: wtc 7
Post by: Top Dog on February 23, 2011, 12:59:44 PM
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Don't you see how ridiculously complicated this whole thing would have to be. How many people would have to stay quite for this long.

With all the people that despise Bush you don't think they would want to dig this up and uncover the conspiracy I mean come on.

A lot of people on here call Bush incompetent. How would he pull of the greatest cover up ever in human history then. It would of had to been the greatest cover up times a million.

Hope I changed some minds.
Because conspiracy theorists want to believe it.
Title: Re: wtc 7
Post by: The Showstoppa on February 23, 2011, 01:02:18 PM
http://www.infowars.com/articles/sept11/cnn_poll2.htm (http://www.infowars.com/articles/sept11/cnn_poll2.htm)


CNN Poll: 90% Believe US Government Covering Up 9/11




"CNN poll?"  hahaha, that was a click and vote.....and guess who is WAY more likely to even bother with doing that type of "poll?"
Title: Re: wtc 7
Post by: epic_alien on February 23, 2011, 01:09:05 PM
(http://i53.tinypic.com/w0gw1e.jpg)

Don't you see how ridiculously complicated this whole thing would have to be. How many people would have to stay quite for this long.

With all the people that despise Bush you don't think they would want to dig this up and uncover the conspiracy I mean come on.

A lot of people on here call Bush incompetent. How would he pull of the greatest cover up ever in human history then. It would of had to been the greatest cover up times a million.

Hope I changed some minds.

show me one video of a plane crashing into the pentagon. and we will all shut up. just show me the video where you can clearly see a large jetliner crash into the pentagon. and then we will all declare you correct, and the rest us are just stupid.
throw up the video
Title: Re: wtc 7
Post by: Ganuvanx on February 23, 2011, 01:11:13 PM
Compare a typical plane crash with the photos from Shanksville immediately after the plane went down. I recall seeing this on the news hours after the crash. It's a smoking hole free of plane debris, bodies, luggage etc. It's not just the WTC crashes that are in doubt.

A local resident observed, "It’s the only place it could have gone down and be sure no one would be hurt."

Here is a quote from the coroner in Shanksville - "NOTHING that you can distinguish that a plane had crashed." The coroner said," I stopped being coroner after about 20 minutes, because there were no bodies there."
Title: Re: wtc 7
Post by: Nails on February 23, 2011, 01:16:37 PM
show me one video of a plane crashing into the pentagon. and we will all shut up. just show me the video where you can clearly see a large jetliner crash into the pentagon. and then we will all declare you correct, and the rest us are just stupid.
throw up the video


QFT... shit atleast hire George lucas to make a fake video to please the people... but really?? this is all you can show really? Hundreds of cameras and you show us a ball of fire :-\






WOW!!! IM SOLD !!! CASE CLOSED!!! i fucking saw it... clear as day... 3 sand niggaz with rags on their heads flying the jet... i cant believe i didnt see it before... he totally flipped the bird before it hit.. those basterds...IT GO TIME!!! WW3 motha fukas


Title: Re: wtc 7
Post by: epic_alien on February 23, 2011, 01:18:20 PM
you can argue about every little thing about 9/11 and go nuts trying to tie it all together.

the only thing one should concentrate on  is the pentagon. its the easiest way to know the truth was not told. now we have a building with thousands of cameras on it. the freeway cameras, the hotels and gas station cameras. yet we have 1 video, that shows nothing? this is what you should think of.  its most logical to ask why we have not seen video of this large airliner crash into the pentagon. if video exists of this large plane hitting it, then why has it not surfaced, 10 years later?


 ask yourself after watching the 5 second video. do you think a plane that size could ravel that fast that close to the ground? really, ask yourself this.
i think you cannot show what did not happen. its really the only way to think about it.


otherwise prove the people wrong and show the video.


the wiki leaks guy might have something on it, and look what they did to him, falsely charge him with rape, try and smear his name, jail him,  and now what do you hear about him? absolutely nothing.
Title: Re: wtc 7
Post by: JOHN MATRIX on February 23, 2011, 01:27:02 PM
Nice to see everyone here has advanced science degrees!

We know for a fact wtc7 was damaged by wtc1 falling into it not just fire. Its structure was weakened the same as the towers. Fire further weakened the steel. Steel doesn't need to melt to fail when a heavy building is on top of it.

Wtc7 was also not a rectangular building as the famous video implies it was trapezoidal. The narrow side was the one damaged and where the collapse started well below the area visible on the video. The wider rear of the building visible didn't fail it simply fell once the collapse started the same as the top of the towers didn't fail they just fell once it gave way below them.


haha come on, the twin towers didnt fall onto it, they fell straight down. sure wtc7 was hit with falling debris, but so were ALL the buildings in the immediate vicinity, many of which sustained FAR more visible damage than wtc7 and had even worse fires. yet they ALL remained standing.

hell, just look at wtc7 when it falls, there is no fallen building on top of it nor any of the kind of catastrophic damage that would ensue from such an event; it looks nearly pristine, especially towards the top where the damage would have been worst from your falling tower theory...

of course its probably just a coincidence that unlike the surrounding buildings, wtc7 contained tons of important documents pertaining to cases against enron and god knows what else
Title: Re: wtc 7
Post by: Nails on February 23, 2011, 01:27:34 PM
"They told me you need to keep your mouth shut, your career is on the line"

"when someone in the army tell me to do something, you about face salute them and get it done"


All pawns in this game of life









Title: Re: wtc 7
Post by: big L dawg on February 23, 2011, 01:35:48 PM
 :)
Title: Re: wtc 7
Post by: makaveli25 on February 23, 2011, 01:45:03 PM
So you think that many people can keep a secret the fbi, cia, fema, whole George Bush Adminstration, all the workers it took to supposely wire up the buildings everyones family members all the people that hate George Bush. All of them have been silinced by someone yelling in their face  ::)
 

Taken from http://www.debunking911.com/osama.htm
"Conspiracy theorists like to say "Some Arabs with box cutters couldn't have pulled this off." Let's forget for a minute how racist that statement is. (Arabs can do anything Americans can do) Let's also imagine that the hijackers didn't make it clear they had a bomb as well as the box cutters. The fact is they were the perfect ones to pull this off. Osama went to school for civil engineering at a time when the towers were being built. America thought enough of him to use him to hold off the USSR in Afghanistan. Most of the hijackers have college educations. Some had flight experience and trained with simulators."

"The conspiracy story suggests a few Arabs can't convince you they have a bomb and are dangerous. Remember that most hijackings ended in the past with hijackers making demands and sometimes people being rescued by specialists in hijackings. Now add the hijackers attacking and possibly killing crew members and you can easily conclude the passengers had little reason to risk injury or death. So you don't need any government intervention to carry out that part of the plan. If the passengers of the other airliners knew what was coming I'm sure the plan wouldn't have worked as well. We can draw that conclusion from flight 93. "

"The conspiracy story also suggests it would be impossible to evade radar without government help. As if there aren't 4,000 airliners in the air at any given time in America. There were hundreds in that area alone. It may have been easier to intercept an airliner with the transponder on but even that isn't easy due to the amount of airliners in the air at the time. One airliner that didn't have anything to do with the attack was thought to be a hijacking and people were planning an intercept. Can you imagine if that plane was brought down by accident? Conspiracy theorists want us to believe its easy to quickly find these flying "needles in the haystacks" when they can't even find photos of iron workers cutting columns at an angle during cleanup. Not even when it's on the same web site and they have all the time in the world to find it."





Title: Re: wtc 7
Post by: Nails on February 23, 2011, 01:50:32 PM
So you think that many people can keep a secret the fbi, cia, fema, whole George Bush Adminstration, all the workers it took to supposely wire up the buildings everyones family members all the people that hate George Bush. All of them have been silinced by someone yelling in their face  ::)
 

Taken from http://www.debunking911.com/osama.htm
"Conspiracy theorists like to say "Some Arabs with box cutters couldn't have pulled this off." Let's forget for a minute how racist that statement is. (Arabs can do anything Americans can do) Let's also imagine that the hijackers didn't make it clear they had a bomb as well as the box cutters. The fact is they were the perfect ones to pull this off. Osama went to school for civil engineering at a time when the towers were being built. America thought enough of him to use him to hold off the USSR in Afghanistan. Most of the hijackers have college educations. Some had flight experience and trained with simulators."

"The conspiracy story suggests a few Arabs can't convince you they have a bomb and are dangerous. Remember that most hijackings ended in the past with hijackers making demands and sometimes people being rescued by specialists in hijackings. Now add the hijackers attacking and possibly killing crew members and you can easily conclude the passengers had little reason to risk injury or death. So you don't need any government intervention to carry out that part of the plan. If the passengers of the other airliners knew what was coming I'm sure the plan wouldn't have worked as well. We can draw that conclusion from flight 93. "

"The conspiracy story also suggests it would be impossible to evade radar without government help. As if there aren't 4,000 airliners in the air at any given time in America. There were hundreds in that area alone. It may have been easier to intercept an airliner with the transponder on but even that isn't easy due to the amount of airliners in the air at the time. One airliner that didn't have anything to do with the attack was thought to be a hijacking and people were planning an intercept. Can you imagine if that plane was brought down by accident? Conspiracy theorists want us to believe its easy to quickly find these flying "needles in the haystacks" when they can't even find photos of iron workers cutting columns at an angle during cleanup. Not even when it's on the same web site and they have all the time in the world to find it."








Yes i can... you don't to that level if your barney fife... you must be the worst liar ever... here its not that hard... NOPE.. i dont know anything.. ummmmmm yea sand niggas did it... Ummmm Jeeze i dont know.... Ummmm you wanna take this one Andy?

See lying isnt that hard.. especially if your good at it, get paid for it, and were trained to do it,  and you believe in it





Title: Re: wtc 7
Post by: makaveli25 on February 23, 2011, 01:51:38 PM
Why would magazines like popular mechanics lie? What is in it for them? How could so many betray their brothers and sisters and completely get away with it? Again for the fifth time you can't possible silence that many people. Maybe if you believe in mind control epic alien probably does.

With all the film that was rolling that day all of the people that saw what happened they should be able to come up with at least a shred of proof this was a conspiracy.

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Nails your crazy bro
Title: Re: wtc 7
Post by: makaveli25 on February 23, 2011, 01:56:31 PM
On the scale of one to a billion this conspiracy would be a billion. Our goverement can't hide shit. Scandals bust out all the time over stupid things. But one of this magnitude is some how hidden for this long  :D
Title: Re: wtc 7
Post by: Croatch on February 23, 2011, 01:58:06 PM
You simpelton you think killing one man compares to taking down 3 fucking buildings. Again it would take between 8-10 thousand people to orchestrate this kind of attack. People might not like Bush but the man is not capable of something like this. Think about how sadastic those 8-10 people would be. Why would the person at the low end of the totem pull who helped "pull this off" not sing like a canary right now for a couple of million dollars. It's logic! Not that many people can keep a secret!
Where are you getting that number?  You my friend, are the simpleton.
Title: Re: wtc 7
Post by: big L dawg on February 23, 2011, 02:01:16 PM


With all the film that was rolling that day all of the people that saw what happened they should be able to come up with at least a shred of proof this was a conspiracy.


what do you think about the pentagon....cameras everywhere and no video footage what so ever of a plane hitting it.

I dont disagree that "arabs with box cutters" hijacked the planes.....but that has zero to do with wtc7 collapse and the pentagon...

people keep talking about how many people would have to be in on it...I agree with that on a twin towers scale...but as ive said a million times this thread isnt about the twin towers...it would only take a handful of peeps to be in on building 7...and even less people for the pentagon....
Title: Re: wtc 7
Post by: Nails on February 23, 2011, 02:03:16 PM
You simpelton you think killing one man compares to taking down 3 fucking buildings. Again it would take between 8-10 thousand people to orchestrate this kind of attack. People might not like Bush but the man is not capable of something like this. Think about how sadastic those 8-10 people would be. Why would the person at the low end of the totem pull who helped "pull this off" not sing like a canary right now for a couple of million dollars. It's logic! Not that many people can keep a secret!

Where are you getting that number?  You my friend, are the simpleton.

8-10 thousand people to orchestrate this kind of attack


but actually it only took 19 camel riders so they say..... Jeez mmmm 19 camel arabs to equal the smarts of 8-10 thousand powerful white men a black woman and black/white colan powel
Title: Re: wtc 7
Post by: big L dawg on February 23, 2011, 02:04:32 PM
8-10 thousand people to orchestrate this kind of attack


but actually it only took 19 camel riders so they say..... Jeez mmmm 19 camel arabs to equal the smarts of 8-10 thousand powerful white men a black woman and black/white colan powel

exactly if we did it then its tens of thousands of peeps involved...but if they did it then it only took 20...
Title: Re: wtc 7
Post by: Croatch on February 23, 2011, 02:09:25 PM
exactly if we did it then its tens of thousands of peeps involved...but if they did it then it only took 20...
Comments like "8-10 thousand people to orchestrate" are what make getbig, getbig.
Not the brightest group.
Title: Re: wtc 7
Post by: 225for70 on February 23, 2011, 02:22:08 PM
Comments like "8-10 thousand people to orchestrate" are what make getbig, getbig.
Not the brightest group.

That was a funny comments..The poster made a claim that it was mostly governmental officials..
Title: Re: wtc 7
Post by: tendonitis on February 23, 2011, 02:43:48 PM
8-10 thousand people to orchestrate this kind of attack


but actually it only took 19 camel riders so they say..... Jeez mmmm 19 camel arabs to equal the smarts of 8-10 thousand powerful white men a black woman and black/white colan powel
yes, but he's talking about 8-10 thousand Government workers. It takes 1,000 of those idiots to change a light bulb so his number probably isn't that far off.
Title: Re: wtc 7
Post by: makaveli25 on February 23, 2011, 02:44:34 PM
You don't think that number sounds about right the amount of people it would take to hide something of that magnitude. The terrorist weren't hiding anything they had a mission and went out and did it. Think of all the people it would take all of the planning all of the resources. Everyone from the NYC fire dept. Most of George W Bush administration, FBI, CIA, countless other organizations. What about their families and friend? You don't think they could easily slip up and tell someone. Why don't we have any people wearing wires trying to get some proof or hidden cameras. Get a high level official to admit to foul play.Experts have studied what happend. The brightest minds agree it wasn't a conspiracy. I bet all of you believe in ghosts and aliens and area 51 right  ::)

 One slip up from the wrong person and the whole thing is fucked. No gambler would take that chance. You think the brightest minds in washington would.

Title: Re: wtc 7
Post by: Grape Ape on February 23, 2011, 02:57:09 PM
8-10 thousand people to orchestrate this kind of attack


but actually it only took 19 camel riders so they say..... Jeez mmmm 19 camel arabs to equal the smarts of 8-10 thousand powerful white men a black woman and black/white colan powel

Think what you just posted through.  This analogy makes little sense.  Both groups would have different goals and the magnitude of one is much greater than the other.

Anyway, I always find it funny that those who completely ransacked President Bush for 8 years also believe he was able to orchestrate the greatest cover up in history.  Epic inconsistency/hypocrisy.
Title: Re: wtc 7
Post by: makaveli25 on February 23, 2011, 03:00:08 PM
Explanation of the pentagon being hit.



(1) dozens of people saw the thing happen. They were stuck on 1395 their testimony has been documented by the press reapeatedly.

(2) Clear wreckage was found picture all over the newspapers and interenet.

(3)Yes, the hole in the Pentagon was somewhat smaller than the diameter of the plane. This is explained by Professor Mere Sozen, a “Kettelhut Distinguished Professor Civil Engineeringť at Perdue University. Sozen says that it’s the energy of the plane, not its size that determines the size of the hole. The plane is not a cartoon character that punches out its outline. Moving at 531 MPH it more fluid than solid and this explains why you get the hole you got. (Sozen quoted from Pop Mech book)

(4)The competing theory, that American Airlines Flight 77 disappeared into thin air with all its passengers, is not too convincing.

What about all of the family member that lost loved ones on flight 77. If It was a conspiracy why haven't one of them stepped forward?

(5) The reason you can see the planes in the twin tower attack is because the cameras were consumer video cameras at a distance. The 1 camera at the pentagon was a security camera (going slowly) & it was way too close.


EACH AND EVERY THEORY WAS PROVED WRONG BY POPULAR MECHANICS!
Title: Re: wtc 7
Post by: makaveli25 on February 23, 2011, 03:07:42 PM
Think what you just posted through.  This analogy makes little sense.  Both groups would have different goals and the magnitude of one is much greater than the other.

Anyway, I always find it funny that those who completely ransacked President Bush for 8 years also believe he was able to orchestrate the greatest cover up in history.  Epic inconsistency/hypocrisy.

How does it not make sense. It's way more logical to believe some terrorist highjacked a couple of planes some got lucky hit their targets others missed or our President, Government, American workers, families of all those people were out to kill are own. Just to have an excuse to go to Iraq take out Saddam and go to Afghanistan? Was all of that really worth it? Wasn't President Bush and all of his people around him already super rich? Wouldn't there be an easier way to accomplish what they wanted to?
Title: Re: wtc 7
Post by: epic_alien on February 23, 2011, 03:09:52 PM
Think what you just posted through.  This analogy makes little sense.  Both groups would have different goals and the magnitude of one is much greater than the other.

Anyway, I always find it funny that those who completely ransacked President Bush for 8 years also believe he was able to orchestrate the greatest cover up in history.  Epic inconsistency/hypocrisy.

guess who popular mechanics works for homie?

again, show me a video that shows that plane hitting the pentagon. it should be simple since theres so much proof. just 1 video that shows clearly a plane hitting the building.
(5)" The reason you can see the planes in the twin tower attack is because the cameras were consumer video cameras at a distance. The 1 camera at the pentagon was a security camera (going slowly) & it was way too close."

why only use the one camera with that angle? with so many other cameras and angles to show the flight path?

do you think a plane of that size nor any plane for that matter can fly 500mph at sea level?


should be rather open and shut case  right?

but lets not get off topic, just show the video, and all will be cleared up
Title: Re: wtc 7
Post by: epic_alien on February 23, 2011, 03:17:02 PM
How does it not make sense. It's way more logical to believe some terrorist highjacked a couple of planes some got lucky hit their targets others missed or our President, Government, American workers, families of all those people were out to kill are own. Just to have an excuse to go to Iraq take out Saddam and go to Afghanistan? Was all of that really worth it? Wasn't President Bush and all of his people around him already super rich? Wouldn't there be an easier way to accomplish what they wanted to?

no,

false flags have started almost every fucking conflict or war in the last century
Title: Re: wtc 7
Post by: makaveli25 on February 23, 2011, 03:17:29 PM
guess who popular mechanics works for homie?

again, show me a video that shows that plane hitting the pentagon. it should be simple since theres so much proof. just 1 video that shows clearly a plane hitting the building.

should be rather open and shut case  right?

Answer this bro. Do you agree a lot of people would have to be in on this? Don't you think someone would be completely disgusted by all this decide to fuck up the plans. Alls they would have to do is have a couple of words or something caught on tape and turn it into a media outlet. You think our own good people of America would fucking cover up an attack of that size for some money? Hell no! Someone would of dropped a dime or said something.

Along the line somewhere word of Bushes plans would of got out. It's just not possible to keep it covered up. Do you think Bush is honestly that evil to sacarfice all of those people. Risk his life, fortuane, following for something where the odds of him getting busted are so high only a complete fucking idiot would do it?

Use logic.
Title: Re: wtc 7
Post by: makaveli25 on February 23, 2011, 03:19:58 PM
What would be the point of shooting a missile into the pentagon epic alien? Whyn't fly an aircraft into it? What's easier? Don't you think there would be some eyewitnesses of a fucking bunker buster being shot at the pentagon? They pulled of the airplane attack on the twin towers why couldn't they do it at the pentagon?
Title: Re: wtc 7
Post by: makaveli25 on February 23, 2011, 03:21:55 PM
I agree it fucked they didn't catch it on camera. Weirder shit than that happens. I just don't see the point of using a bomb taking a huge chance of someone getting video or a clear picture or even testimonies from people or just flying a plane into it could even be empty with made up people on board.
Title: Re: wtc 7
Post by: epic_alien on February 23, 2011, 03:25:41 PM
no need to talk or speculate dude, just show me 1 video of a plane hitting the pentagon.

if that cant be done, well theres a problem with the official story


"caught on tape and turn it into a media outlet"


no, because there are things called gag orders. happens all the time. there are many many people who have come forth in matters of treason. and they have been gagged.


"I agree it fucked they didn't catch it on camera. Weirder shit than that happens"

yes i agree, like large airliners crashing into the ground but leaving no debri, or trace of anything?

but lets not think of that.

just one simple thing,

a video of pentagon plane hitting it.

i have yet to see that
Title: Re: wtc 7
Post by: 225for70 on February 23, 2011, 03:27:05 PM
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Eisenhower warns us of the military industrial complex..
Title: Re: wtc 7
Post by: makaveli25 on February 23, 2011, 03:32:28 PM
I understand why people might think it's a conspiracy. I did a couple of years ago that's why I know so much about it. I got high with my friends one night and watched a documentary it basically brain washed me with false facts and propaganda. I was so sickened by it I called my dad that night. I talked to him for five minutes and he completely changed my mind. He told me "son you think our goverement can keep a secret that big", "Are you crazy!" I could tell he wanted to slap the shit out of me.

I went out and did some reading and studying. The odds of the Goverement being able to hide a secret that big are a million to one! The only real proof that is missing is that video. Some how it wasn't captured on video. It was explained why though. It was a slow speed camera. The plane was moving so fast it appeared as a blur. Body parts and bodies were found. The wreckage was found.
Title: Re: wtc 7
Post by: Grape Ape on February 23, 2011, 03:40:19 PM
How does it not make sense. It's way more logical to believe some terrorist highjacked a couple of planes some got lucky hit their targets others missed or our President, Government, American workers, families of all those people were out to kill are own. Just to have an excuse to go to Iraq take out Saddam and go to Afghanistan? Was all of that really worth it? Wasn't President Bush and all of his people around him already super rich? Wouldn't there be an easier way to accomplish what they wanted to?

You completely misinterpreted my post.  I'm agreeing with you.
Title: Re: wtc 7
Post by: epic_alien on February 23, 2011, 03:41:23 PM
cool story bro,

but um you got that video of that plane hitting the pentagon lying around?

allot of people want to see it.
Title: Re: wtc 7
Post by: 225for70 on February 23, 2011, 03:47:09 PM
I understand why people might think it's a conspiracy. I did a couple of years ago that's why I know so much about it. I got high with my friends one night and watched a documentary it basically brain washed me with false facts and propaganda. I was so sickened by it I called my dad that night. I talked to him for five minutes and he completely changed my mind. He told me "son you think our goverement can keep a secret that big", "Are you crazy!" I could tell he wanted to slap the shit out of me.

I went out and did some reading and studying. The odds of the Goverement being able to hide a secret that big are a million to one! The only real proof that is missing is that video. Some how it wasn't captured on video. It was explained why though. It was a slow speed camera. The plane was moving so fast it appeared as a blur. Body parts and bodies were found. The wreckage was found.

Keep telling yourself that..

Your brainwashed into thinking that if you Question 9/11, you are with the terrorists like George w bush says.

Why did the pentagon confiscate all the many camera's around the pentagon? Why does only a frame of a frame of a frame exists?.


Also the whole government doesn't know..More like a select few...
Title: Re: wtc 7
Post by: 225for70 on February 23, 2011, 03:49:57 PM
Makavili smoked some of the "new" weed called Heroism Black...Now telling us how patriotic he is by believing everything the government tells us, etc..
Title: Re: wtc 7
Post by: epic_alien on February 23, 2011, 03:56:46 PM
yes, you see the thing with the 9/11 and why it has pissed allot of people off. its the official story and the 9/11 commision report. its what they say happned thats the problem. its so far out there and so wrong if you read what they wrote about it, and what you saw with your eyes on a tv camera.

most of the world was not there, and have to rely on tv news cameras for the info.  and we all know how the media likes to tell the truth right?

anyway, the deal is, i dont have to prove anything, im not making claims. now the official 9/11 story told to us by the government of the usa however is.

now all i have to do as a citizen one who is concerned with what may or may not have happened that day, is ask for proof. i dont have to disprove anything. they claim a large jetliner crashed into the pentagon. well ok. i want to know why i have not seen a video showing this. and if there were a video, as there would be knowing that there were many many cameras in that area, including the freeway camera, from the transportation department, many other cameras on the pentagon building itself, and businesses around the pentagon. now if there may be another angle of this plane crash happening, even if not  a totally clear vantage point of the actual crash, we should at least hear the engines, of the plane, or see part of it pass by. anything.

but we dont.

ask yourself, why is that?
Title: Re: wtc 7
Post by: The Abdominal Snoman on February 23, 2011, 04:40:22 PM

in before basille calls everyone posting in this thread flotsam and uneducated conspiracy theorists.

Basile believes that he doesn't have his blue stars because of a conspiracy against him :-\
Title: Re: wtc 7
Post by: jwb on February 23, 2011, 04:48:14 PM
The plane that hit the pentagon was only a 757 which is smaller and narrower than the 767's that hit the towers.
Title: Re: wtc 7
Post by: 225for70 on February 23, 2011, 04:51:55 PM
The plane that hit the pentagon was only a 757 which is smaller and narrower than the 767's that hit the towers.

None the less it's a big ass plane and should have appeared in more than 1/1000 of the second of film..

More than likely it was a patriot missile.
Title: Re: wtc 7
Post by: The Abdominal Snoman on February 23, 2011, 04:52:14 PM
Did someone on here really mention funding? Come on. Drug money alone has no paper trail. But "they" don't even need drug money.


How about 20 TRILLION DOLLARS that keeps going higher and will never end. oh ya and no paper trail. And the Rothschild's holdings are at 500 TRILLION.

www.theintelhub.com/2011/02/09/the-illuminatis-secret-20-trillion-dollar-bank/
Title: Re: wtc 7
Post by: 225for70 on February 23, 2011, 04:58:36 PM
Did someone on here really mention funding? Come on. Drug money alone has no paper trail. But "they" don't even need drug money.


How about 20 TRILLION DOLLARS that keeps going higher and will never end. oh ya and no paper trail. And the Rothschild's holdings are at 500 TRILLION.

www.theintelhub.com/2011/02/09/the-illuminatis-secret-20-trillion-dollar-bank/


JP Morgan was just a Rothschild puppet, and he was the most important banker arguably in american history...

So the Rothschild have lots of money..And more importantly hard assets...They also have the ability to contract and expand the monetary supply. Essentially, getting more powerful from depressions etc...?  Sounds like a good deal...


Title: Re: wtc 7
Post by: jwb on February 23, 2011, 05:04:40 PM
None the less it's a big ass plane and should have appeared in more than 1/1000 of the second of film..

More than likely it was a patriot missile.
why would you allow planes to hit the towers but use a missile at the pentagon?

security cameras are not high speed (especially ones 10 years ago) because they would use too much memory to store their images.
Title: Re: wtc 7
Post by: Johnny_Blaze on February 23, 2011, 05:11:21 PM
The odds of the Goverement being able to hide a secret that big are a million to one! The only real proof that is missing is that video.

Odds? Who cares how crazy the odds are. Shit went down and the "official story" doesn't connect the dots at all bro.
Title: Re: wtc 7
Post by: Nails on February 23, 2011, 05:15:07 PM
Think what you just posted through.  This analogy makes little sense.  Both groups would have different goals and the magnitude of one is much greater than the other.

Anyway, I always find it funny that those who completely ransacked President Bush for 8 years also believe he was able to orchestrate the greatest cover up in history.  Epic inconsistency/hypocrisy.


think about what you just posted here.... your analogy makes no sense ... who won during 911? the arabs in the desert getting killed by the hundreds every day? or the Americans occupying Iraq and afghanistan exchanging billions of billion of dollar a year to the private sector to fund this war?


And yes the same guy on camera Pres Bush who appeared and acted like a clown... ran this Country for 8 years .... seems "THEY" call the shot.. can have anyone play the roll of a prez as long as they get their agenda done
Title: Re: wtc 7
Post by: Nails on February 23, 2011, 05:18:34 PM
why would you allow planes to hit the towers but use a missile at the pentagon?

security cameras are not high speed (especially ones 10 years ago) because they would use too much memory to store their images.


mmm maybe cus the towers were a built of glass and colums and a plane would fly right thru it

andt the pentagon was solid concrete and a plane would bounce right off it

hahaha camaras not high tech!! hahahahahahahah Yea google had google earth and the pentagon had vhs cameras!
Another getbig Dr. on hand
Title: Re: wtc 7
Post by: Master Blaster on February 23, 2011, 05:34:09 PM
This thread is a classic example of how inversly proportionate intelligence and common sense can be

I don't care how intelligent and well thought out your responses are

And I'm not particulary smart

But if you think 9/11 was an inside job, you just don't have a lot of common sense

Extremely complcated schemes like the top secret plan to bomb Wall Street with missle planes that 10,000 people helped plan and execute...well thats just magical thinking

Title: Re: wtc 7
Post by: The Abdominal Snoman on February 23, 2011, 05:42:59 PM
This thread is a classic example of how inversly proportionate intelligence and common sense can be

I don't care how intelligent and well thought out your responses are

And I'm not particulary smart

But if you think 9/11 was an inside job, you just don't have a lot of common sense

Extremely complcated schemes like the top secret plan to bomb Wall Street with missle planes that 10,000 people helped plan and execute...well thats just magical thinking



10,000 people ::)
Title: Re: wtc 7
Post by: Disgusted on February 23, 2011, 05:43:25 PM
I'm NOT a conspiracy theorist by any means, but building 7 did not come down the way it did on it's own.
Title: Re: wtc 7
Post by: 225for70 on February 23, 2011, 05:44:28 PM
10,000 people ::)

People are using this number,,,Like 10K people in the government all new...Look a how rumors spread...
Title: Re: wtc 7
Post by: 225for70 on February 23, 2011, 05:49:10 PM
I'm NOT a conspiracy theorist by any means, but building 7 did not come down the way it did on it's own.

Listen dude..You are either with us or your a terrorist..(George W Bush)...

The forces of gravity have worked for 5 billion years and On 9/11 the forces of gravity stopped working completely..Three buildings hit the ground with almost no resistance.

The owner of the Towers even said, "they pulled building 7" meaning it was brought down in a controlled fashion.

Title: Re: wtc 7
Post by: Disgusted on February 23, 2011, 05:50:21 PM
Listen dude..You are either with us or your a terrorist..(George W Bush)...

The forces of gravity have worked for 5 billion years and On 9/11 the forces of gravity stopped working completely..Three buildings hit the ground with almost no resistance.

The owner of the Towers even said, "they pulled building 7" meaning it was brought down in a controlled fashion.

Well since you put it that way I'M WITH YOU!!!!!!   ;D
Title: Re: wtc 7
Post by: Master Blaster on February 23, 2011, 05:51:35 PM
10,000 people ::)

Oh did I put the comma in the wrong place?

Hey, maybe were actually in a fucking computer program, and 9/11 was one of our overlords pressing control_alt_delete

You know Christmas is "an inside job", but most 10 year olds figure out that Santa's not real pretty quick.  ;)
Title: Re: wtc 7
Post by: 225for70 on February 23, 2011, 05:52:02 PM
Well since you put it that way I'M WITH YOU!!!!!!   ;D

I think most people are afraid of being labelled terroists, if they don't belive the official bullshit story..Bush said it in the state of the union
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Title: Re: wtc 7
Post by: Disgusted on February 23, 2011, 05:53:42 PM
Listen dude..You are either with us or your a terrorist..(George W Bush)...

The forces of gravity have worked for 5 billion years and On 9/11 the forces of gravity stopped working completely..Three buildings hit the ground with almost no resistance.

The owner of the Towers even said, "they pulled building 7" meaning it was brought down in a controlled fashion.



Yeah I saw this before. Someone said that he meant to pull the firemen back.  ::) Problem is he said "it" not them.
Title: Re: wtc 7
Post by: 225for70 on February 23, 2011, 05:56:58 PM
Yeah I saw this before. Someone said that he meant to pull the firemen back.  ::) Problem is he said "it" not them.

Yes, that's why everyone was being warned to move back from the building as it was to blow... :D
Title: Re: wtc 7
Post by: The Abdominal Snoman on February 23, 2011, 05:57:53 PM
Oh did I put the comma in the wrong place?

Hey, maybe were actually in a fucking computer program, and 9/11 was one of our overlords pressing control_alt_delete

You know Christmas is "an inside job", but most 10 year olds figure out that Santa's not real pretty quick.  ;)

Lets ask Lloyd England(the taxi driver) his take on what happened. Interesting name that Lloyd England. Considering building 7 housed The Bank of England and Lloyds of London. I wonder how many taxi drivers have wives who work for the FBI?
Title: Re: wtc 7
Post by: Disgusted on February 23, 2011, 05:59:06 PM
Yes, that's why everyone was being warned to move back from the building as it was to blow... :D

I saw the lady from BBC saying it went down when it was still standing right behind her in the window she was standing in front of.  I'm sure that's still on youtube somewhere.
Title: Re: wtc 7
Post by: Spike on February 23, 2011, 06:00:27 PM
wtc 7 held the office of navel intelligence


they had made dirt on CIA thats why they destroyed it


 8)
Title: Re: wtc 7
Post by: big L dawg on February 23, 2011, 06:02:50 PM
I saw the lady from BBC saying it went down when it was still standing right behind her in the window she was standing in front of.  I'm sure that's still on youtube somewhere.



Title: Re: wtc 7
Post by: Disgusted on February 23, 2011, 06:04:41 PM




Hahaha good one. Maybe she can predict the lottery numbers too.  ;D
Title: Re: wtc 7
Post by: Master Blaster on February 23, 2011, 06:06:51 PM
I saw the lady from BBC saying it went down when it was still standing right behind her in the window she was standing in front of.  I'm sure that's still on youtube somewhere.


So the BBC was in on it too!  :o  It's stating to seem like 50% of like fucking everyone was part of this "secret plan"  :o

You know the Titanic was an inside job, too.

Title: Re: wtc 7
Post by: 225for70 on February 23, 2011, 06:09:06 PM

So the BBC was in on it too!  :o  It's stating to seem like 50% of like fucking everyone was part of this "secret plan"  :o

You know the Titanic was an inside job, too.



Terrible analogy dude.
Title: Re: wtc 7
Post by: The Abdominal Snoman on February 23, 2011, 06:12:16 PM

So the BBC was in on it too!  :o  It's stating to seem like 50% of like fucking everyone was part of this "secret plan"  :o

You know the Titanic was an inside job, too.



Do you think manager Pete Rose told his players that he was gambling on the very games they were playing in?
Title: Re: wtc 7
Post by: 225for70 on February 23, 2011, 06:14:16 PM
Master Blaster is a bush supporter, and his family own stock in Ratheon, Hallibuton, and some other companies in the military industrial complex. ;D
Title: Re: wtc 7
Post by: Spike on February 23, 2011, 06:16:33 PM
Master Blaster is a bush supporter, and his family own stock in Ratheon, Hallibuton, and some other companies in the military industrial complex. ;D

his cousin was my tacticle instrutor at blackwater training facility

he did merc work for the DoD back in 99 - 64 confirmed kills in the field - 20 buy knife or hand to hand combat

took a hajis head off with his teeth and knuckles
Title: Re: wtc 7
Post by: The Abdominal Snoman on February 23, 2011, 06:24:34 PM
NBA gambling ref Tim Donaghy did prison time for single handedly changing the outcome of games for years on a countless number of NBA games.
Title: Re: wtc 7
Post by: Disgusted on February 23, 2011, 06:26:43 PM

So the BBC was in on it too!  :o  It's stating to seem like 50% of like fucking everyone was part of this "secret plan"  :o

You know the Titanic was an inside job, too.



I never said that the BBC was in on it, I just find it funny as Hell that they were reporting the fall of a major building that was right in front of their eyes.
Title: Re: wtc 7
Post by: The Abdominal Snoman on February 23, 2011, 06:30:33 PM
The steroid scandal in baseball took over 20 years before someone came forward. And some people on here are questioning why people haven't come forward on a mass murder(that will also get you killed for talking) that isn't even a decade old? Which isn't true, some have come forward. Although COINTELPRO deals with most of them swiftly.  
Title: Re: wtc 7
Post by: chaos on February 23, 2011, 06:33:41 PM
I thought for sure 240 would be balls deep in this thread ???

Conspiracies make the world go round......seems like some sort of actual eyewitness would have stepped forward by now though.......maybe someone that ran the cables, or planted the explosives or launed the missle into the Pentagon or pushed the button that blew up #7........as many holes as there are, there are just as many, if not more, on the other side of the coin.
Title: Re: wtc 7
Post by: The Abdominal Snoman on February 23, 2011, 06:39:25 PM
I thought for sure 240 would be balls deep in this thread ???

Conspiracies make the world go round......seems like some sort of actual eyewitness would have stepped forward by now though.......maybe someone that ran the cables, or planted the explosives or launed the missle into the Pentagon or pushed the button that blew up #7........as many holes as there are, there are just as many, if not more, on the other side of the coin.

Its just like politics. Split everyone up at either side and let them fight among themselves as the super elite rape and pillage
Title: Re: wtc 7
Post by: The Abdominal Snoman on February 23, 2011, 06:47:06 PM
With all the evidence that G4P and homosexuality is prevalent in men's and women's bodybuilding. Why is it that many people simply don't believe it? :-\
Title: Re: wtc 7
Post by: The Showstoppa on February 24, 2011, 01:40:32 PM
his cousin was my tacticle instrutor at blackwater training facility

he did merc work for the DoD back in 99 - 64 confirmed kills in the field - 20 buy knife or hand to hand combat

took a hajis head off with his teeth and knuckles

"blackwater...." hahaha..... I ran into some of those douches a few yrs ago....should have renamed it "backwater." 
Title: Re: wtc 7
Post by: epic_alien on March 01, 2011, 02:48:08 PM
Lets ask Lloyd England(the taxi driver) his take on what happened. Interesting name that Lloyd England. Considering building 7 housed The Bank of England and Lloyds of London. I wonder how many taxi drivers have wives who work for the FBI?

i saw this interview,

that can driver was totally confused as to where he was in relation to the freeway bridge when the pole went through his windshield. the interviewer asked him nay many times this is your car, pointing to pictures of the event of him standing by his car with the pole in it, and he continued to deny it.

then after thinking the camera was off, he admitted that this was all bigger than him, and it was for other big people to be involved in. and when he said that, it pretty much sealed the deal. it doesnt disprove that the pole hit his car , but it proves he was coached to lie.

all of this was in relation to the supposed flight path of the jet that hit the pentagon.
Title: Re: wtc 7 conspiracy
Post by: Roger Bacon on March 02, 2011, 11:27:48 PM
Good thread

You would have to be a complete moron to believe the "official" story.

Title: Re: wtc 7 conspiracy
Post by: The Abdominal Snoman on March 03, 2011, 10:25:58 AM
Good thread

You would have to be a complete moron to believe the "official" story.



Or so content in your life that you don't want to do or say anything that will effect it(usually people who make a good living don't want to rock the boat)