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Title: MLB talk.
Post by: 2ND COMING on May 05, 2011, 01:16:37 PM
e. nunez 5 errors in 22 innings. Basically blew the game today.


Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: Grape Ape on May 05, 2011, 01:30:33 PM
Yeah.  Backup IF should be all glove, with any hitting skills a plus.  Not this guy.


Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: mass 04 on May 05, 2011, 02:49:40 PM
Lackey couldn't even give Boston 5 innings today. I'm glad they called up Rich Hill, he was great at the end of last year.


Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: Grape Ape on May 06, 2011, 08:05:02 PM
Lackey couldn't even give Boston 5 innings today. I'm glad they called up Rich Hill, he was great at the end of last year.

You think those are phantom injuries to Jenks and Wheeler?   Sure seems like it.


Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: 2ND COMING on May 08, 2011, 11:05:33 AM
jeter gettig that BA up


Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: 2ND COMING on May 15, 2011, 10:24:36 AM
really terrible week from the yankees.



Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: garebear on May 15, 2011, 10:49:27 AM
None of your stupid little teams matter because the St. Louis Cardinals are going to win the World Series this year anyway.


Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: funk51 on May 17, 2011, 07:57:38 AM
phillies scuffling, no pop in them there bats.can't win if ya don't score runs.


Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: 2ND COMING on May 17, 2011, 09:28:21 AM
its basically SHTF in the bronx right now.


Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: Grape Ape on May 17, 2011, 11:09:57 AM
its basically SHTF in the bronx right now.

Yup.  They'll get through it.  Last night really sucked though.  Especially since I had Burnett on my FBB team....and have Shields going tonight.


Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: 2ND COMING on May 17, 2011, 11:38:24 AM
Yup.  They'll get through it.  Last night really sucked though.  Especially since I had Burnett on my FBB team....and have Shields going tonight.

i cant believe the shitsox are finally over .500

did they leapfrog ny in the division?


Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: Grape Ape on May 17, 2011, 12:19:46 PM
i cant believe the shitsox are finally over .500

did they leapfrog ny in the division?

No.

But, I said all along I thought NY/Bos/Tampa will exchange spots all year long, so this isn't surprising to me.  We'll get a real gauge of what we have at the ASB.


Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: blinky on May 18, 2011, 12:47:42 AM
how ridiculously good does Bautista look right now!

.370 ba
16 hrs
27 rbi's
35 runs scored
.849 slugging %
35 bb
.516 obp

and hes only played 33 games.
the guys a legit beast and is showing last year was no fluke...if anything hes WAY better right now


Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: Grape Ape on May 18, 2011, 04:06:20 AM
Yeah, he's an absolute beast right now.  Pretty sick numbers through this amount of games.


Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: 2ND COMING on May 18, 2011, 08:46:14 AM
Lance berkman is playing out of his mind as well.

i think hes on hgh...guy had a bear belly and love handles last year. He looks like an actual built athlete this year. I know you can change your body, but hes also swinging the bat like crazy right now.

.352!

11/35

25bb

.688 slg



Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: Grape Ape on May 18, 2011, 10:27:31 AM
Berkman is tough to watch, considering our current DH shits-uatation right now.


Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: 2ND COMING on May 18, 2011, 05:17:30 PM
Berkman is tough to watch, considering our current DH shits-uatation right now.

hgh  :o


Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: funk51 on May 20, 2011, 08:28:46 AM
the great giambino hits three hrs against phils second oldest ever to do it. only stan musial older.


Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: 2ND COMING on May 20, 2011, 11:35:41 AM
subway series this weekend. 


Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: Grape Ape on May 20, 2011, 03:06:48 PM
subway series this weekend. 

There is no reason to accept less than 2 out of three.  Hopefully the bats are heating up.  I expect Boston to do the same.


Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: garebear on May 20, 2011, 04:56:32 PM
Yankees suck. AL Sucks. Boston Sucks.

Cardinals are the shit! Cardinals will come to your house and beat your ass.


Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: Grape Ape on May 20, 2011, 05:06:49 PM
Yankees suck. AL Sucks. Boston Sucks.

Cardinals are the shit! Cardinals will come to your house and beat your ass.

Care to back this up with anything tangible or some legitimate discussion?



Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: outby43 on May 20, 2011, 05:12:57 PM
Yankees suck. AL Sucks. Boston Sucks.

Cardinals are the shit! Cardinals will come to your house and beat your ass.

I agree only if Pujols, Matt Holliday and Berkmann are red hot.  The pitching has to be good as well.  Lohse and Mcclellan have been good surprises.  It's too long of a season to make a statement like that though.


Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: funk51 on May 24, 2011, 11:32:57 AM
utley's back phils win big no thanks to chase. o for 5 and a lame throw his first chance allowing an infield hit.


Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: garebear on May 24, 2011, 03:16:59 PM
Care to back this up with anything tangible or some legitimate discussion?


Yeah, YOU suck.


Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: Grape Ape on May 24, 2011, 06:39:34 PM
Yeah, YOU suck.

I see you put as much effort here as you do in the political thread.


Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: garebear on May 25, 2011, 02:56:36 AM
I see you put as much effort here as you do in the political thread.
Did you watch the cards game last night?


Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: Grape Ape on May 25, 2011, 04:03:09 AM
Did you watch the cards game last night?


No, but I am aware of the result.  They're off to a great start.  Garcia has been a beast.


Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: CalvinH on May 25, 2011, 05:40:50 AM
Nice comeback for the Yanks last night.


....going old school today,gonna listen to the Yanks game at 1:00 today on the radio.
no tv at work >:(


Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: Grape Ape on May 25, 2011, 06:32:30 AM
Nice comeback for the Yanks last night.


....going old school today,gonna listen to the Yanks game at 1:00 today on the radio.
no tv at work >:(

I'll be listening via MLB.com.   The good news is I can pick a feed that doesn't have Sterling broadcasting.


Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: CalvinH on May 25, 2011, 06:53:55 AM
I'll be listening via MLB.com.   The good news is I can pick a feed that doesn't have Sterling broadcasting.


Hhhhm,might have tyo try that.


Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: Grape Ape on May 25, 2011, 07:39:56 AM

Hhhhm,might have tyo try that.

They make fun of his HR calls on the radio up here all the time.  Trouble is, I can't defend them.  They make me cringe.  Especially Granderson's and Teixeira's.


Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: CalvinH on May 25, 2011, 07:52:06 AM
They make fun of his HR calls on the radio up here all the time.  Trouble is, I can't defend them.  They make me cringe.  Especially Granderson's and Teixeira's.


I hate his calls >:(


Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: funk51 on May 25, 2011, 08:51:19 AM
try listening to the phillies announcers gotta be the werse. the pompous know-nothing tom mchatty cathy. the squealing little girl chris wheeler, and finally the loveable sarge gary mathews worse voice ever for an announcer. oh for the days of harry kalas and richie whitey ashburn.


Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: 2ND COMING on May 25, 2011, 09:10:18 PM
19 innings in philly...


Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: funk51 on May 26, 2011, 08:29:29 AM
19 innings in philly...
what a game wilson valdez wins game after playing 18 innings at 2nd base, simply amazing.


Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: CalvinH on May 26, 2011, 10:59:31 AM
Forgot to mention 1,000 appearances for Mariano last night 8)


Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: Grape Ape on May 26, 2011, 11:12:09 AM
Forgot to mention 1,000 appearances for Mariano last night 8)

There will most likely never be another player like him.  One main pitch, 15 years of dominance.


Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: 2ND COMING on May 27, 2011, 12:22:26 PM
what a game wilson valdez wins game after playing 18 innings at 2nd base, simply amazing.

youre a phil fan?


Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: garebear on June 05, 2011, 08:06:04 AM
Cardinals dominating.

Pujols is just coming into a big tear.


Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: Grape Ape on June 05, 2011, 08:07:56 AM
Cardinals dominating.

Pujols is just coming into a big tear.

I know - I'm facing him in FBB this week.  He has 48 points by himself.   You guys going to sign him or is he gone?


Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: garebear on June 05, 2011, 09:38:01 AM
I know - I'm facing him in FBB this week.  He has 48 points by himself.   You guys going to sign him or is he gone?
Hopefully. Might have to get a loan from China to do it, though.


Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: Grape Ape on June 05, 2011, 10:09:53 AM
Hopefully. Might have to get a loan from China to do it, though.

Seriously.

He's 31.   8 years/250M ?   6/180?  10/300?  Who knows?


Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: CalvinH on June 07, 2011, 08:28:08 AM
I spent over 5 hrs at Fenway Saturday,game went 14 innings!


Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: 2ND COMING on June 07, 2011, 09:26:17 PM
I spent over 5 hrs at Fenway Saturday,game went 14 innings!

You went to fenway? Did you see bod88 or something?



Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: CalvinH on June 08, 2011, 04:44:23 AM
You went to fenway? Did you see bod88 or something?





Tickets through the company I work for.great seats behind home.we went and sat in the bleachers for extra innings to get warm.it was cold in Boston on Saturday and I only had a t-shirt and shorts on.


Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: 2ND COMING on June 08, 2011, 01:35:05 PM


Tickets through the company I work for.great seats behind home.we went and sat in the bleachers for extra innings to get warm.it was cold in Boston on Saturday and I only had a t-shirt and shorts on.

No picks for such a momentus event?

Did anyone catch the first year player draft?


Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: CalvinH on June 09, 2011, 04:35:08 AM
No picks for such a momentus event?

Did anyone catch the first year player draft?




Actually I have a couple on my phone from in front of Pesky's pole.I'll put them up later.
watched on and off till the Yanks picked.


.....not the same as the NFL draft.


Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: 2ND COMING on June 09, 2011, 04:08:57 PM


Actually I have a couple on my phone from in front of Pesky's pole.I'll put them up later.
watched on and off till the Yanks picked.


.....not the same as the NFL draft.

The seats at fenway look like tight squeeze. Especially behind home.

How were they?


Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: CalvinH on June 10, 2011, 04:34:21 AM
The seats at fenway look like tight squeeze. Especially behind home.

How were they?



I dodn't think they are that bad.right field was weird cuz of the angle to watch the game.


Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: CalvinH on June 10, 2011, 05:56:29 AM
Joba,done.


Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: Grape Ape on June 10, 2011, 07:11:15 AM
Joba,done.

Another good example of why prospects are prospects and, if known commodities are available for said prospects, it's probably safer to go after them.

We all like to have guys from the farm system and root for them, but never at the expense of elite talent like Halladay, Haren, etc....



Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: 2ND COMING on June 12, 2011, 01:53:26 PM
mid june, david ortiz .325 17 43 395OBP  ???


Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: CalvinH on June 21, 2011, 05:23:16 AM
Albert out 4-6 weeks.


Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: Grape Ape on June 21, 2011, 05:40:01 AM
Yankees and Red Sox never lose.


Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: funk51 on June 21, 2011, 06:45:15 AM
the other day johnny damon joined some pretty elite company, he's only the 11 th  player to amass 2500 hits 500 doubles 100 triples and 200 homers. top of list are guys like babe ruth, willie mays, stan musial,lou gehrig, pretty elite company. that being said i doubt damon makes the hall of fame when his time is up.


Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: Grape Ape on June 21, 2011, 11:42:28 AM
the other day johnny damon joined some pretty elite company, he's only the 11 th  player to amass 2500 hits 500 doubles 100 triples and 200 homers. top of list are guys like babe ruth, willie mays, stan musial,lou gehrig, pretty elite company. that being said i doubt damon makes the hall of fame when his time is up.

You're probably right.  But, if he gets to 3000 hits, he might have a shot.


Title: not worth the money
Post by: funk51 on June 23, 2011, 09:48:11 AM
joe mauer is owed 8 years including 2011 on his contract at 23 million dollars a year. the guy played 14 games this year with 11 hits and a 204 avg. twins are royally screwed.


Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: Grape Ape on June 23, 2011, 12:47:44 PM
I was arguing with Yankee fans about how I had no interest in them signing this guy, but they didn't want to hear it.   Could go down as one of the worst contract, if he continues to be hurt.


Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: funk51 on June 25, 2011, 12:56:03 PM
I was arguing with Yankee fans about how I had no interest in them signing this guy, but they didn't want to hear it.   Could go down as one of the worst contract, if he continues to be hurt.
just checked out justin morneau who is hurt again as usual. 4 hrs 225 ba  281 ob    338 slugging   certainly well worth the 14 million they are paying him this year. he has 28 million coming in 2012 and also 2013. another good investment by the twins.


Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: 2ND COMING on July 04, 2011, 08:12:52 AM
yankees are cruising...


Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: funk51 on July 05, 2011, 09:21:42 AM
yankees are cruising...
till jeter came back o for 4 in a loss to indians.nunez looked pretty good filling him for him.


Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: Grape Ape on July 05, 2011, 09:24:36 AM
till jeter came back o for 4 in a loss to indians.nunez looked pretty good filling him for him.

As long as he wasn't fielding.

This is just baseball being baseball.  Going to lose games you should win, and win games you should lose.


Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: funk51 on July 05, 2011, 09:25:52 AM
with all due respect jeter did put up some historic numbers in his career.george w thinks so too.


Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: Grape Ape on July 05, 2011, 10:47:43 AM
Absolutely.  I think he could have easily been awarded a couple MVP titles if it weren't for the writers falling in love with the steroid fueled HRs.  Look at his 1999 - crazy good.


Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: garebear on July 05, 2011, 11:07:26 AM
Here's something you never hear about anymore in the national pastime, the pitcher's best friend - the ole' poopball. 


Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: mass 04 on July 05, 2011, 04:36:39 PM
Amazing Pujols is back so quickly. HGH....Cards-Reds is by far the best current rivalry in baseball. 


Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: Grape Ape on July 05, 2011, 04:59:16 PM
Amazing Pujols is back so quickly. HGH....Cards-Reds is by far the best current rivalry in baseball. 

Maybe he borrowed some of Bartolo Colon's stem cells.....


Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: 2ND COMING on July 06, 2011, 05:53:51 AM
The "cards" are on espn every fucking week. oh brother.


Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: CalvinH on July 07, 2011, 05:16:45 AM
Jeter is hitting the ball better now that he's back.


Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: Grape Ape on July 07, 2011, 06:31:23 AM
Jeter is hitting the ball better now that he's back.

Part of me wishes he would volunteer for the 9th spot.  The lineup is supercharged with Gardner or Swisher in the leadoff spot.


Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: CalvinH on July 07, 2011, 08:07:49 AM
Part of me wishes he would volunteer for the 9th spot.  The lineup is supercharged with Gardner or Swisher in the leadoff spot.



After 3000 he should drop in the order.


Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: funk51 on July 07, 2011, 08:28:11 AM


After 3000 he should drop in the order.
i'm hoping for saturday for hit 3000, i got ticks for the game.that stub could  be worth something.


Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: Grape Ape on July 07, 2011, 08:51:11 AM
i'm hoping for saturday for hit 3000, i got ticks for the game.that stub could  be worth something.

That would be a great piece of memorabilia.


Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: 2ND COMING on July 07, 2011, 09:35:33 AM
i'm hoping for saturday for hit 3000, i got ticks for the game.that stub could  be worth something.

When did you buy them?


Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: funk51 on July 07, 2011, 09:46:03 AM
When did you buy them?
before the season started, it's just a coincidence that this could be a historic game. i was actually in philly the day joe carter  got his 2000 hit not that big an event. believe it or not the phillies phaithful actually cheered for him after he got it.


Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: funk51 on July 07, 2011, 09:50:43 AM
joe carter


Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: 2ND COMING on July 07, 2011, 09:56:47 AM
before the season started

solid estimation skills bro.

Did you buy them anticipating when he would hit #3000?


Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: funk51 on July 07, 2011, 11:12:52 AM
solid estimation skills bro.

Did you buy them anticipating when he would hit #3000?
not really even now it's a hit or miss proposition. i'm just hoping he does it saturday.


Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: CalvinH on July 08, 2011, 05:07:42 AM
Jeter is hitting the ball better now that he's back.


Ground ball,ground ball,ground ball.....


Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: 2ND COMING on July 08, 2011, 06:14:09 AM
not really even now it's a hit or miss proposition. i'm just hoping he does it saturday.

2 hits away and one more game to go.

This is becoming must see television.

Sort of like when bonds was climbing up the all-time hr ladder.


Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: funk51 on July 08, 2011, 02:39:54 PM
2 hits away and one more game to go.

This is becoming must see television.

Sort of like when bonds was climbing up the all-time hr ladder.
i'm sweating tonight's game i'm hoping he just gets one hit, so i'm set for saturday. perfect world he hits it to me in rightfield field level for a hr and no.3000. i'll sell it back for one game's salary. or a chance to hit against tim wakefield in a game just kiddin on the second thing.


Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: 2ND COMING on July 08, 2011, 03:00:03 PM
i'm sweating tonight's game i'm hoping he just gets one hit, so i'm set for saturday. perfect world he hits it to me in rightfield field level for a hr and no.3000. i'll sell it back for one game's salary. or a chance to hit against tim wakefield in a game just kiddin on the second thing.

Is the game rained out tonight? possible double header saturday?


Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: Grape Ape on July 08, 2011, 08:13:28 PM
Is the game rained out tonight? possible double header saturday?

Heard the Rays refused to do one.

Stupid move, they would have gotten a chance to face the Yankee "B" lineup.


Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: 2ND COMING on July 08, 2011, 08:24:24 PM
The stars have aligned for funk. He's in good shape to witness history.


Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: Grape Ape on July 09, 2011, 07:02:02 AM
Facing David Price is tough.

Arod now has a partially torn meniscus.  Great.


Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: 2ND COMING on July 09, 2011, 10:04:58 AM
Facing David Price is tough.

Lmao, he homer'd against him for #3k


Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: Grape Ape on July 09, 2011, 01:18:44 PM
Lmao, he homer'd against him for #3k

Getting 3000 wasn't enough.   5-5 with the game winning hit.  Unbelievable.



Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: John O on July 09, 2011, 01:54:56 PM
Getting 3000 wasn't enough.   5-5 with the game winning hit.  Unbelievable.



Thats getting it done with style!!!


Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: mass 04 on July 09, 2011, 05:57:33 PM
Congrats to Jeter and good for that guy for giving the ball back like that.


Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: Grape Ape on July 10, 2011, 10:05:20 AM
Congrats to Jeter and good for that guy for giving the ball back like that.


I'm not sure how I feel about that.  I have to do some research, since I read that catching that ball is considered a windfall, and therefore subject to taxes, just like a lottery ticket.  So you would have to sell.

But, I would have had no problem with them holding the ball and doing an auction, or trying to sell it for top dollar.  It's just too much money.  Plus,   Jeter doesn't show up to anyone else's work and give them prizes for doing a good job.

A couple hundred grand is nothing to Jeter, who makes a little more than 100k a game.


Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: funk51 on July 10, 2011, 02:00:13 PM
i seen a chunk of mlb history 3000 hits first yankee ever to get that many all as a yankee, he and biggio only guys to get 5 hits in there 3000 hit game. he and boggs only players to homer for 3000 hit. the ball was hit into section 236    i was  40 feet away in section 235. more to follow gotta go.


Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: 2ND COMING on July 10, 2011, 06:46:00 PM
i seen a chunk of mlb history 3000 hits first yankee ever to get that many all as a yankee, he and biggio only guys to get 5 hits in there 3000 hit game. he and boggs only players to homer for 3000 hit. the ball was hit into section 236    i was  40 feet away in section 235. more to follow gotta go.

Biggio went to my old high school, no joke..Kings Park,ny

Ive seen his h.s. jersey in the gym.



Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: funk51 on July 11, 2011, 06:45:08 AM
Biggio went to my old high school, no joke..Kings Park,ny

Ive seen his h.s. jersey in the gym.


that's cool biggio was a great player 3060 hits. played 1989 games at 2b 428 at catcher, and 363 in the of. mostly cf. the only guy to go to the majors  out of my old high school was elmer valo who's long dead.


Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: funk51 on July 11, 2011, 06:48:23 AM
elmer played a little at the end of his career on the yanks.


Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: mass 04 on July 11, 2011, 08:37:29 AM
How many "all stars" have been named? 187?


Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: Grape Ape on July 11, 2011, 11:24:46 AM
How many "all stars" have been named? 187?

I hear you.  This "represent every team" is akin to giving everyone in Little League a trophy.  Diminishes it completely.


Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: CalvinH on July 12, 2011, 05:11:53 AM
Robbie Cano and his old man was pretty cool.


Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: funk51 on July 12, 2011, 11:12:08 AM
How many "all stars" have been named? 187?
this game should not determine anything esp concerning post season advantage in the world series.


Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: funk51 on July 14, 2011, 02:37:59 AM
is it just me or does tim lincecum look like the wicked witch of the west from the wizard of oz.


Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: 2ND COMING on July 14, 2011, 08:05:59 AM
Judge declared a mistrial in the roger clemens case.


Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: CalvinH on July 14, 2011, 08:29:57 AM
Judge declared a mistrial in the roger clemens case.



Haha,dumbass prosecutor!


....."Even a first year law student would know better"


Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: funk51 on July 15, 2011, 12:34:21 PM
do you think the cubs are thinking twice about screwing over  ryne sandburg for the manager's job. the cubs are at a pathetic 37-56. the minor league team sanburg took over never broke 500 in their existance yet he has them atop triple a with a 54-38 record even though his lineup is often descimated due to phillies injuries pitching esp. by the way last year sandburg was 82-62  for the cubs triple a affilate.


Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: 2ND COMING on July 29, 2011, 02:55:45 PM
Hideki Irabu killed himself  :-\

http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/obituaries/hideki-irabu-who-pitched-for-yankees-dies-at-42/2011/07/29/gIQABqyphI_story.html (http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/obituaries/hideki-irabu-who-pitched-for-yankees-dies-at-42/2011/07/29/gIQABqyphI_story.html)


Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: funk51 on July 31, 2011, 07:56:26 AM
Hideki Irabu killed himself  :-\

http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/obituaries/hideki-irabu-who-pitched-for-yankees-dies-at-42/2011/07/29/gIQABqyphI_story.html (http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/obituaries/hideki-irabu-who-pitched-for-yankees-dies-at-42/2011/07/29/gIQABqyphI_story.html)
yeah i saw that, i remember when he first came over the first thing he did was smash his car into steinbrenner's parked car. and when he stunk up the bronx  george s called him a fat pussy toad.


Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: 2ND COMING on August 04, 2011, 10:20:21 AM
Yanks have been destroying these scrub teams as of late.

a.j. burnett still sucks.


Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: Grape Ape on August 04, 2011, 02:35:14 PM
Yanks have been destroying these scrub teams as of late.

a.j. burnett still sucks.

He does, but the Yanks still  have the best run differential in baseball.  The numbers say that their pitching staff is top notch, but going into the playoffs with Colon and Garcia doesn't give much confidence.


Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: funk51 on August 06, 2011, 06:01:57 AM
giambino before and after.


Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: Grape Ape on August 06, 2011, 06:34:25 AM
(http://www.eauctionliquidators.com/images/auctions/201106300800/Card-285.jpg)


Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: 2ND COMING on August 06, 2011, 07:22:05 PM
giambino before and after.

I dont like these pics of guys with current and 20yrold former pics. The bonds one is the worst. Even if they used it just seems stupid. A guy cant put on size over 15-20 years?


Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: funk51 on August 07, 2011, 10:57:04 AM
I dont like these pics of guys with current and 20yrold former pics. The bonds one is the worst. Even if they used it just seems stupid. A guy cant put on size over 15-20 years?
but in bonds case most of his gains came after 35 years of age a couple of shoe sizes and a couple of hat sizes which just doesn't happen and his stats went thru the roof.


Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: 2ND COMING on August 08, 2011, 11:55:42 AM
but in bonds case most of his gains came after 35 years of age a couple of shoe sizes and a couple of hat sizes which just doesn't happen and his stats went thru the roof.

 ::)

(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-9RkPP5l-xlY/TVaU-gUoSuI/AAAAAAAAQRM/TB757fwBWo8/s1600/bonds+b+4+and+after.jpg)


Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: 2ND COMING on August 11, 2011, 12:36:02 PM
I think mo is officially losing his magic. Been all over the place lately.


Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: funk51 on August 14, 2011, 10:27:02 AM
zambrano goes nuts again , i guess the anger management just isn't working out.


Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: 2ND COMING on August 18, 2011, 04:54:01 PM
Jete-skeet creeping closer to .300  8)


Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: 2ND COMING on August 21, 2011, 06:03:33 PM
a.j. burnett still sucks.

Getting tired of this "hes capable of throwing a 1 hitter" talk.  ::)


Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: Grape Ape on August 22, 2011, 05:58:39 AM
I think mo is officially losing his magic. Been all over the place lately.

Nah.  Happens every August.


Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: CalvinH on August 22, 2011, 09:07:50 AM
Ivan superNova 8)


Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: Grape Ape on August 22, 2011, 09:35:34 AM
Ivan superNova 8)

It's crazy.  The stats show that Colon and Garcia are not having flukey years - they're legitimately good pitchers.   Nova's been so much better than expected, and Hughes MIGHT be picking it up.

Yet, it still feels like we have a weak staff.  Must just be perception, because the numbers say we have a very good one.

Maybe it's the absence of a true shut down #2 name.  Colon's been that, but I just keep waiting for the wheels to fall off.


Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: CalvinH on August 22, 2011, 09:37:40 AM
It's crazy.  The stats show that Colon and Garcia are not having flukey years - they're legitimately good pitchers.   Nova's been so much better than expected, and Hughes MIGHT be picking it up.

Yet, it still feels like we have a weak staff.  Must just be perception, because the numbers say we have a very good one.

Maybe it's the absence of a true shut down #2 name.  Colon's been that, but I just keep waiting for the wheels to fall off.


It's nice to see thew Yanks come up with a couple of home growns with potential.


Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: Grape Ape on August 22, 2011, 11:34:59 AM
Yup - Hughes/Robertson/Cano/Gardner/Nova/Nunez/Noesi in addition to Jeter/Rivera/Posada

That's 40% of the 25 man alone from the farm, and they're players of importance.  The number increases further if you add in some of the lesser known middle relievers.


Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: funk51 on August 22, 2011, 12:03:39 PM
Jete-skeet creeping closer to .300  8)
jeter moving up fast on all-time list 3000 tied him for 28 th with clemente. 11 more and he goes into 20 th just ahead of craig biggio.


Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: 2ND COMING on August 22, 2011, 07:30:38 PM
Yup - Hughes/Robertson/Cano/Gardner/Nova/Nunez/Noesi in addition to Jeter/Rivera/Posada

That's 40% of the 25 man alone from the farm, and they're players of importance.  The number increases further if you add in some of the lesser known middle relievers.

Nunez - an adventure every ground ball hit.

Noesi - has his moments, but nothing to brag about yet.

Posada - had a great run but is a non factor.

Hughes - the jury is out. Decent setup guy a few years ago. Nice first half last year but mediocre since.


Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: Grape Ape on August 24, 2011, 09:02:15 AM
Nunez - an adventure every ground ball hit.

Noesi - has his moments, but nothing to brag about yet.

Posada - had a great run but is a non factor.

Hughes - the jury is out. Decent setup guy a few years ago. Nice first half last year but mediocre since.


I'm not saying they're all stars, but they're important pieces.  Nunez was able to fill in the gap when ARod went down and Chavez is unavailable.    Hughes, despite not living up to expectations, is still only 25, and is in the starting rotation.  Noesi needs a chance to pitch but is forgotten.


Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: 2ND COMING on August 24, 2011, 03:07:11 PM
I'm not saying they're all stars, but they're important pieces.  Nunez was able to fill in the gap when ARod went down and Chavez is unavailable.    Hughes, despite not living up to expectations, is still only 25, and is in the starting rotation.  Noesi needs a chance to pitch but is forgotten.


What are your thoughts on the new crop? Betances, Banuelos, Montero and even Brackman. Did you spit out your coffee when they drafted that kid in the 1st during the player draft like i did?


Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: Grape Ape on August 24, 2011, 04:30:22 PM
What are your thoughts on the new crop? Betances, Banuelos, Montero and even Brackman. Did you spit out your coffee when they drafted that kid in the 1st during the player draft like i did?

I would like to see Banuelos succeed because I've been watching him ever since he started.  Casey Kelly from Boston was getting all this ridiculous hype, yet Banuelos' stats were a little better, if I remember correctly, but he received no attention.  Now the tables have turned completely.

I don't have high hopes for Betances or Brackman.  I think Montero is the real deal, but has nothing left to prove at AAA.

That said, I would have traded any of them to get a Cliff Lee or potential ace.  Prospects are always just prospects, and if they can be flipped for elite MLB level talent, you do it every time.


Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: 2ND COMING on August 24, 2011, 04:47:39 PM
Didnt seatle want two of the killers b's AND monetero for cliff lee? Basically half the farm for a rental?


Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: 2ND COMING on August 24, 2011, 04:54:52 PM
Speaking of cliff lee I'm thinking texas got the shit end of that deal. Justin Smoak for - what turned out to be nothing more than some playoff/ws exp for their team and a little notoriety.


Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: Grape Ape on August 24, 2011, 06:09:49 PM
Didnt seatle want two of the killers b's AND monetero for cliff lee? Basically half the farm for a rental?

It was only one B.  They balked when they thought Adams' ankle injury was too severe.


Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: 2ND COMING on August 25, 2011, 01:29:56 PM
Two grand slams and the yanks come back to take the lead. epic.


Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: 2ND COMING on August 25, 2011, 02:46:55 PM
Jete-skeet officially hitting .300  8)


Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: 2ND COMING on August 25, 2011, 02:51:31 PM
3 Grand slams in a game never done until today  8)


Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: 2ND COMING on August 25, 2011, 03:07:25 PM
LOL im in tears because of posado. Great game today.


Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: 2ND COMING on August 27, 2011, 01:37:37 PM
a.j. burnett, he still sucks.

I will bump this after everyone of his starts.


Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: 2ND COMING on September 02, 2011, 12:29:09 PM
Yankees take 2 out of 3 from boston  8)

Nice to see Montero finally in the bigs


Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: garebear on September 02, 2011, 12:30:36 PM
3 Grand slams in a game never done until today  8)
Maybe not, but Fernando Tatis once hit two grand slams in the same INNING.

I bet that one stands unmatched longer than the three grand slams.


Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: 2ND COMING on September 07, 2011, 05:29:18 PM
E.Nunez -0.3 WAR  :D



Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: Grape Ape on September 07, 2011, 06:47:46 PM
E.Nunez -0.3 WAR  :D



That's all because of his defense.  Do you have the split?


Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: 2ND COMING on September 07, 2011, 06:58:47 PM
That's all because of his defense.  Do you have the split?

Negative. I was curious on his war because he basically botched the game tonight.

On another note montero has been great. I think hes here to stay.


Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: Grape Ape on September 08, 2011, 03:42:52 AM
Negative. I was curious on his war because he basically botched the game tonight.

On another note montero has been great. I think hes here to stay.


Montero is the real deal.  Nothing is guaranteed, but he's considered the best Yankee hitting prospect in 15 years.


Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: Grape Ape on September 08, 2011, 09:59:46 AM
Negative. I was curious on his war because he basically botched the game tonight.


Others feel the same way:  Nunez playing defense....OLE!

(http://nomaas.org/blog/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/nunez_defense.jpg)


Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: Grape Ape on September 13, 2011, 04:28:15 AM
So...a month ago, the playoff teams in baseball seemed to be all set.  NY/Bos were listed at 99.7% and 99.8% playoff probability, and Atlanta had the WC locked up.

Now it's not so cut and dry.  Bos is still at 96.3%, but the Tampa is at least making it interesting. Still unlikely that they get in, but it's making it fun to follow.


Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: CalvinH on September 14, 2011, 06:07:28 AM
600 saves fo MO 8)


Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: funk51 on September 16, 2011, 06:13:03 AM
phillies 97-51 if they don't win it's a shame.


Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: Grape Ape on September 17, 2011, 05:11:58 AM
phillies 97-51 if they don't win it's a shame.

They can be beat.  Atlanta could give them a run in the NL, and the AL teams have a shot too.

Not taking away from them.  Just that their bullpen is weak, and when the face the AL, if NY or Bos get there, their pitchers may have a harder time going late into games.


Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: 2ND COMING on September 19, 2011, 04:08:19 PM
Redsox lost again today? They're like 1 game ahead of tampa....


Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: Grape Ape on September 20, 2011, 04:42:08 AM
Redsox lost again today? They're like 1 game ahead of tampa....



They got it right back.  It's funny listening to all the fans panic up here, but I still think they make the playoffs easily.


Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: 2ND COMING on September 21, 2011, 09:01:30 PM

They got it right back.  It's funny listening to all the fans panic up here, but I still think they make the playoffs easily.

Even though they won they a.l. east, I don't think the yanks are gonna pack it in this weekend. Not gonna be a walk in the park boston.


Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: CalvinH on September 22, 2011, 05:51:22 AM
Yanks=16 playoffs in 17 years.


Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: Grape Ape on September 26, 2011, 10:33:21 AM
Cards: 1 game out
Tampa: 1 game out

Incredible how baseball can be.......


Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: 2ND COMING on September 26, 2011, 11:11:10 AM
The sox are gonna bring in a new pitcher for one game.


Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: Grape Ape on September 26, 2011, 12:02:11 PM
The sox are gonna bring in a new pitcher for one game.

They are trying.  Wish the Yankees would have went all out to win last night, instead of playing the AAAA lineup most of the game.  Sox have been horrid, but are built for short series and are still dangerous.


Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: 2ND COMING on September 26, 2011, 08:39:38 PM
Rays and sox tied.



Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: Grape Ape on September 27, 2011, 04:24:25 AM
This is pretty crazy.  St Louis missed a golden opportunity last night and could have been tied as well.


Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: 2ND COMING on September 27, 2011, 08:02:24 PM
Still tied going in to the last game.


Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: Grape Ape on September 28, 2011, 04:05:38 AM
Both wildcard races tied on the last day.  Yankees still don't know first round opponent.

Sox are facing a crappy pitcher who they should destroy, but have extended their bullpen, and have Lester on short rest.  They still should win the game.

Yanks are going to throw out an AAA lineup, I would expect, and still haven't named a starter.

Both Stl and Atlanta have their good pitchers, but Atlanta is facing Hamels in Philly.

And, of course, ESPN's front page is a pic of the SOX, who remained tied, but they were invisible yesterday when they lost.   It's becoming comical at this point.


Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: 2ND COMING on September 28, 2011, 12:55:48 PM
You stay classy, reyes.

Last game of the season  ::)


Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: 2ND COMING on September 28, 2011, 08:10:20 PM
shitsox done.  ;D

Great comeback by the rays.


Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: funk51 on September 29, 2011, 08:52:24 AM
shitsox done.  ;D

Great comeback by the rays.
amazing last day rays overcome 7-0 lead late in game to make playoffs, phils knock braves out of playoffs in 13 innings


Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: Grape Ape on September 29, 2011, 06:28:37 PM
Garebear - get in here and start talking shit to funk51.

Also, funk51, your thread in the G&O is fucking fantastic.  The first time I saw a random picture of Tim Lincecum, I laughed out loud at the office.


Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: CalvinH on September 30, 2011, 05:16:11 AM
Looks like the Red Sox will be looking for a new manager.


Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: Grape Ape on September 30, 2011, 07:01:54 AM
Looks like the Red Sox will be looking for a new manager.

Possibly a new GM too.

Beer in the clubhouse, Youkilis' attitude, blaming the schedule and injuries (Gonzalzez), blaming the fans for cheering too loud (Scutaro).....this is all incredible.


Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: CalvinH on September 30, 2011, 07:37:40 AM
Possibly a new GM too.

Beer in the clubhouse, Youkilis' attitude, blaming the schedule and injuries (Gonzalzez), blaming the fans for cheering too loud (Scutaro).....this is all incredible.


Beer in the clubhouse was a pitcher...I'm guessing Lackey.


Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: Grape Ape on October 06, 2011, 04:23:38 AM
Yankees and Phillies both about to be tested.  If both were to be eliminated, MLB will lose a ton of money.


Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: Grape Ape on October 07, 2011, 05:29:12 AM
Well that sucked.


Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: 2ND COMING on October 07, 2011, 12:53:50 PM
Terrible. Just terrible.

At least jorge came to play.


Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: garebear on October 07, 2011, 05:45:22 PM
You don't mess with the Zohan.


Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: outby43 on October 07, 2011, 07:10:07 PM
LOL...I love it when Philly fans are disappointed.  All of that winning in the regular season is all for nothing.  Losers plain and simple. 


Go Cards!!!!!!


Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: garebear on October 07, 2011, 07:11:03 PM
Carpenter throws a gem!

166 pitch performance. 3 hit shutout.

Here comes the NLCS.


Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: Grape Ape on October 08, 2011, 05:03:05 AM
Baseball is throwing everyone for a loop - all the "powerhouse" teams are out of it, and it's wide open right now.

I like it and hate it.


Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: Grape Ape on October 08, 2011, 05:05:15 AM
Baseball is throwing everyone for a loop - all the "powerhouse" teams are out of it, and it's wide open right now.

I like it and hate it.

garebear's bold prediction could turn into reality - his team is the one that has the momentum.

None of your stupid little teams matter because the St. Louis Cardinals are going to win the World Series this year anyway.


Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: garebear on October 08, 2011, 06:19:20 AM
garebear's bold prediction could turn into reality - his team is the one that has the momentum.

HELLZY YEAH!!!!!!!


Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: outby43 on October 08, 2011, 03:09:18 PM
HELLZY YEAH!!!!!!!

I live in  St. Louis Garebear.  You from here too?  (No Homo intentions) 


Go Redbirds !!


Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: garebear on October 08, 2011, 04:01:25 PM
I live in  St. Louis Garebear.  You from here too?  (No Homo intentions) 


Go Redbirds !!
No, I grew up in a town about two hours away from there, in IL.

Been a Cards fan since 82. Celebration Time, Come on!

You going to any playoff games?




Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: outby43 on October 08, 2011, 04:31:09 PM
No, I grew up in a town about two hours away from there, in IL.

Been a Cards fan since 82. Celebration Time, Come on!

You going to any playoff games?




no playoff games this year.  I was at the 82 WS last game.  Never will forget it.  The tickets for standing room only are $100 and behind the plate is $2000.00.  I will watch on TV for free...lol.


Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: 2ND COMING on October 24, 2011, 07:48:15 AM
I have a confession to make.

I haven't watched one full ws game in its entirety  :'(


Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: Grape Ape on October 25, 2011, 04:16:12 AM
I have a confession to make.

I haven't watched one full ws game in its entirety  :'(

I've watched one inning.


Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: CalvinH on October 25, 2011, 06:23:25 AM
There are games still being played ???


Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: polychronopolous on October 25, 2011, 09:11:27 AM
I've watched one inning.

Too bad, you are missing a dynasty in the making.

The same Texas team that went to back to back World Series will be in their prime agewise and largely in tact for the next 3 or 4 years.

Add to that one of the best farm systems and a new billion dollar tv contract which gives them more money to pursue free agents and it's safe to say you might be missing alot of World Series games in the coming years.  8)


Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: Grape Ape on October 25, 2011, 10:10:01 AM
Too bad, you are missing a dynasty in the making.

The same Texas team that went to back to back World Series will be in their prime agewise and largely in tact for the next 3 or 4 years.

Add to that one of the best farm systems and a new billion dollar tv contract which gives them more money to pursue free agents and it's safe to say you might be missing alot of World Series games in the coming years.  8)

I'm aware of the TV contract - looks like MLB won't have to bail them out anymore.  

Rangers have a good team, bit I don't think dynasties can happen anymore in baseball, with the first round being a 3 out of 5.  Too many variables in baseball can lead to anything happening in a short sample.  Unless Texas acquires a little better pitching, they'll be more susceptible to vagaries of 3 out of 5.

Also, take NY for example - they have everything you mentioned above with even more money, and a much higher ranked farm system.  So they're going to have an impact on Texas, should they meet in the playoffs.   When Boston pulls their collective heads out of their assess, they'll be in the way too.   Either way, I don't think we'll see a true dynasty like the late 90s Yankees again.



Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: 2ND COMING on October 27, 2011, 01:40:54 PM
I've watched one inning.

(http://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/hprofile-ak-snc4/211023_167102813346916_6488523_n.jpg)

I don't know what it is this year. This is no shortage of marquis players. Is just really "eh" this year for me. Truth be told the only reason im watching is so I know what im talking about when I debate the series with my dad.


Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: funk51 on October 28, 2011, 07:35:35 AM
a great series so far, but no posts since 0ct 25, shows how much interest the cards and rangers generate, now if only it would have been phillies vs yankees, oh well have to wait till next year.


Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: Grape Ape on October 28, 2011, 08:16:52 AM
a great series so far, but no posts since 0ct 25, shows how much interest the cards and rangers generate, now if only it would have been phillies vs yankees, oh well have to wait till next year.

The good news is it give you more time to update your thread on the G&O.  Phills/Yanks would have been off the charts good.

But, last night's game was amazing. I watched a little.  To be one strike away from a WS win to have it fall apart TWICE is incredible.


Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: 2ND COMING on October 31, 2011, 10:06:38 PM
c.c. is going to stick around for awhile  8)


Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: njflex on November 01, 2011, 06:59:33 PM
c.c. is going to stick around for awhile  8)
that was given,reupped cano and swisher,,,only concern is last 1/3 rotation cashaman might go with 2 young guys from farm,c.c,burnett,nova,hughes,maybe rejuvinated garcia and youngster .


Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: 2ND COMING on November 01, 2011, 07:21:39 PM
Cool dude.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fXDgy5kHcNE


Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: Grape Ape on November 02, 2011, 04:58:17 AM
Yeah, he kept his word that he wouldn't opt out.  I'm sure the Yankees' pro active offer of a contract extension didn't hurt, though.


Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: 2ND COMING on November 14, 2011, 01:43:43 PM
Reyes close to a deal with miami. Pujols also visited with miami.

(http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2011/0921/pg2_e_marlinslogo_300.jpg)


Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: 2ND COMING on November 17, 2011, 11:16:45 AM
Owners approve of an additional two wild card teams for the post season format.


Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: Grape Ape on November 17, 2011, 11:51:49 AM
Owners approve of an additional two wild card teams for the post season format.

Horrid.

Can't wait to see a team a WC team that's 10 games worse than another beat them in a one game playoff.   Terrible, terrible move.  The 3 out of 5 destroys the integrity of the 162 game season, a one game playoff is disgusting for baseball.

Think about it  - a shitty WC with no shot at the division can purposely rest their ace to have him ready for the one game playoff.  A contending team wouldn't do that.


Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: 2ND COMING on December 03, 2011, 07:45:11 PM
Bobby Valentine is bostons new skipper...


Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: njflex on December 03, 2011, 08:00:00 PM
Bobby Valentine is bostons new skipper...
good move and only move they could make for now,,quiet offseason,winter meetings coming but i can't see too many blockbuster deals ,,free angency other than puljos,fielder.cj wilson,lot of b/c level guys,,which could help a club also.


Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: Grape Ape on December 04, 2011, 08:10:45 AM
good move and only move they could make for now,,quiet offseason,winter meetings coming but i can't see too many blockbuster deals ,,free angency other than puljos,fielder.cj wilson,lot of b/c level guys,,which could help a club also.


If anything, it will provide entertainment up here.  It's funny to the see the rumblings of boston players complaining.   They need to just shut up and play baseball.


Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: 2ND COMING on December 06, 2011, 09:03:32 PM
Reyes officially a marlin, 6/$106m

I thought he would get a lot more. I don't know the specifics, but i'm surprised the mets didn't match 6/$106m.

Marlins are also pursuing pujols pretty hard.


Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: Doug_Steele on December 07, 2011, 02:34:05 PM
Mark Buehrle has signed a four deal for $58 Million deal. I am guessing Pujols will stay in ST. Louis now.


Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: Doug_Steele on December 08, 2011, 07:11:06 AM
Albert Pujols is officially a Angel and a 10 year deal for $250 million dollar deal.  :o :o


Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: UPINTHEMGUTS on December 08, 2011, 09:11:31 AM
Albert Pujols is officially a Angel and a 10 year deal for $250 million dollar deal.  :o :o

What a sell out Pujols is. Why leave St. Louis?? You've won 2 titles in the last four years, had a statue built in your likeness in front of Busch Stadium, and was offered 10 years, 220 million to stay with the Cardinals. Still in the prime of his career.

St. Louis is great baseball town and the fans love him. Again, why leave? More money? It's not as if he's going to play out that contract for the full ten years so the extra money is obselete.

A dick move, Albert.


Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: 2ND COMING on December 08, 2011, 09:39:02 AM
1/4 billion. Guaranteed. Just like that. Incredible.

Angels were a scrappy team with a solid staff before c.j. and pujols. They're looking pretty damn good right now.


Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: outby43 on December 08, 2011, 03:59:06 PM
What a sell out Pujols is. Why leave St. Louis?? You've won 2 titles in the last four years, had a statue built in your likeness in front of Busch Stadium, and was offered 10 years, 220 million to stay with the Cardinals. Still in the prime of his career.

St. Louis is great baseball town and the fans love him. Again, why leave? More money? It's not as if he's going to play out that contract for the full ten years so the extra money is obselete.

A dick move, Albert.

I live in St. Louis and yes he is a sellout but the Angels can have him and that outrageous salary.  He will never last 10 years playing the field in the NL.  He made the best choice.  As far as the Cardinals they have a lot of weapons still and now we can spend some serious cash on some quality pitchers to backup Wainwright and Carpenter.


Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: garebear on December 08, 2011, 06:47:07 PM
I live in St. Louis and yes he is a sellout but the Angels can have him and that outrageous salary.  He will never last 10 years playing the field in the NL.  He made the best choice.  As far as the Cardinals they have a lot of weapons still and now we can spend some serious cash on some quality pitchers to backup Wainwright and Carpenter.
Yes, sorry to see him go but I think it was inevitable. Should make for interesting winter now.

St Louis is a baseball town like no other. Been doing it long before Albert came along and will go on long after he's gone from the game.


Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: 2ND COMING on December 20, 2011, 08:45:58 AM
Braun's excuse for testing positive - it was his herpes medication. Lololol.


Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: 2ND COMING on December 20, 2011, 09:03:25 AM
Wait, the rangers won the bid ($51m) to negotiate with darvish?

Weren't they near bankrupt a couple seasons ago? Where is this money coming from.  :-X


Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: 2ND COMING on January 10, 2012, 07:14:26 AM
Barry Larkin got elected to the HOF.

(http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.1003596.1326178775!/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/landscape_635/image.jpg)


Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: Doug_Steele on January 10, 2012, 09:47:12 AM
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_75Xi1RTxG3k/S9elrXmstVI/AAAAAAAADoM/D2Xw1VcmhH0/s1600/Larkin16.jpg)

http://www.freep.com/article/20120110/SPORTS02/201100468/Path-to-Hall-of-Fame-via-Ann-Arbor?odyssey=mod%7Cnewswell%7Ctext%7CFRONTPAGE%7Cs

ďBo always told me he would strike me out, anyway. That was Boís way of saying, ĎCongratulations kid, you did it,íĒ Larkin remembered. ďHe would always tell me: ĎYouíll be back. Youíll miss football. Nobody comes to the University of Michigan to play baseball,í is what he used to say.Ē  8)


Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: Grape Ape on January 13, 2012, 06:15:33 PM
For the two guys who talk baseball here, the Yankees just made themselves better this year.


Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: njflex on January 13, 2012, 06:31:30 PM
For the two guys who talk baseball here, the Yankees just made themselves better this year.
sorry lil late ,,they sure did...


Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: Grape Ape on January 13, 2012, 06:34:24 PM
sorry lil late ,,they sure did...

Losing Montero stings, but Pineda sat at 94.7 mph last year, fourth best in all of baseball, and held RH hitters to something like a .185 avg.

And they signed Kuroda to a one year deal.

Now they need a DH since Montero's gone.   They might not be done.


Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: njflex on January 13, 2012, 06:41:41 PM
Losing Montero stings, but Pineda sat at 94.7 mph last year, fourth best in all of baseball, and held RH hitters to something like a .185 avg.

And they signed Kuroda to a one year deal.

Now they need a DH since Montero's gone.   They might not be done.
andru jones resigned i like him and he's ready to hit like rueben sierra was called upon.pitching is what wins,,they hit the crap out of the ball 162 games a yr,,its the last 10 or so games playoff and w.s when the hitters shut down there pitching couln't hold up or keep leads.3-2 games tight pitching is what wins those games not 12-0 there rare even tho there were some big blowout games in playoffs this yr in texas .


Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: 2ND COMING on January 13, 2012, 07:47:32 PM
Losing Montero stings, but Pineda sat at 94.7 mph last year, fourth best in all of baseball, and held RH hitters to something like a .185 avg.

And they signed Kuroda to a one year deal.

Now they need a DH since Montero's gone.   They might not be done.

Pineda, as in michael pineda from the mariners?

Its a bombshell for sure. But...no king felix?

I wouldn't have dealt montero to seattle unless they gave up king felix.

Damn.  :'(


Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: funk51 on January 14, 2012, 06:28:36 AM
ryan madson a red.


Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: Grape Ape on January 14, 2012, 03:25:23 PM
Pineda, as in michael pineda from the mariners?

Its a bombshell for sure. But...no king felix?

I wouldn't have dealt montero to seattle unless they gave up king felix.

Damn.  :'(

There's no way to acquire a player of Pineda's potential without giving up someone like Montero.   I guess the Yankees didn't view him a real MLB catcher, so his value to them dropped.

Pineda immediately is a legit #2 behind Sabathia, and Campos is a jewel, and is immediately in the Yanks' top 5 MLB prospects.   King Felix was never available, and would have cost Montero/Banuelos/Betances +


Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: 2ND COMING on January 14, 2012, 03:38:29 PM
There's no way to acquire a player of Pineda's potential without giving up someone like Montero.   I guess the Yankees didn't view him a real MLB catcher, so his value to them dropped.

Pineda immediately is a legit #2 behind Sabathia, and Campos is a jewel, and is immediately in the Yanks' top 5 MLB prospects.   King Felix was never available, and would have cost Montero/Banuelos/Betances +

At this point is his career pineda is a fly ball pitcher. Not exactly conducive to yankee stadium.

He is a nice young arm don't get me wrong, and even though both teams filled weaknesses I feel that seattle got the better of this deal.


Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: Grape Ape on January 14, 2012, 07:12:22 PM
At this point is his career pineda is a fly ball pitcher. Not exactly conducive to yankee stadium.

He is a nice young arm don't get me wrong, and even though both teams filled weaknesses I feel that seattle got the better of this deal.

I can't get too hung up on the fly ball ratios when you consider the other stats

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Among qualified AL starting pitchers last year, only Brandon Morrow and Justin Verlander posted a higher strikeout rate than Pineda, who whiffed 24.9% of the batters he faced. His K% was better than David Price, CC Sabathia, and yes, even Felix. Pinedaís live fastball and willingness to live up in the strike zone led to a lot of swinging strikes, and that had nothing to do with the park he played in.

Lots of young pitchers can throw hard and rack up strikeouts, however. What sets Pineda apart is his impeccable command at such a young age. 66 percent of the pitches he threw last year were strikes, and his 7.9% BB% was below the league average. It is highly uncommon to see a kid with that kind of live arm arrive in the Major Leagues pounding the zone, but thatís exactly what Pineda did. 94-97 MPH fastballs to get ahead, and then an out-pitch slider or a fastball out of the zone with two strikes to get the K. It was a recipe for success, and Pineda used his command of those two pitches to establish himself as one of the gameís best young starting pitchers

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/yankees-land-michael-pineda-dont-pay-retail/


This is one of many articles and quote I read where the consenus is that the Yankees got a steal.  Seen it in a lot of places.  I will admit I was bummed about Montero, since I've followed him for a few years now, but the Yanks rotation really was suspect.   Now,  I can wait to see what they do with the glut of pitching they have.


Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: 2ND COMING on January 14, 2012, 07:43:41 PM
I can't get too hung up on the fly ball ratios when you consider the other stats

You should get a little hung up. Those fly balls in safeco are hr's in yankee stadium.

Quote
http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/yankees-land-michael-pineda-dont-pay-retail/


This is one of many articles and quote I read where the consenus is that the Yankees got a steal.  Seen it in a lot of places.  I will admit I was bummed about Montero, since I've followed him for a few years now, but the Yanks rotation really was suspect.   Now,  I can wait to see what they do with the glut of pitching they have.

That article from fangraphs reads like a yanks fan who is a prisoner of the moment.


Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: Grape Ape on January 14, 2012, 09:24:36 PM
You should get a little hung up. Those fly balls in safeco are hr's in yankee stadium.

That article from fangraphs reads like a yanks fan who is a prisoner of the moment.

Can you find a link that proves how many of the FB Pineda gave up at Safeco would have been HRs at YS?  Someone will no doubt actually do this.

You can handle the FB ratios by the fact that he neutralizes RH hitting and has sick K rates.

Am I doing cartwheels over this trade?   No.  Do I see great upside and potential?  Yes.


Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: 2ND COMING on January 15, 2012, 05:21:45 PM
Can you find a link that proves how many of the FB Pineda gave up at Safeco would have been HRs at YS?  Someone will no doubt actually do this.

You can handle the FB ratios by the fact that he neutralizes RH hitting and has sick K rates.

Am I doing cartwheels over this trade?   No.  Do I see great upside and potential?  Yes.

I feel the same way.

But I think about who we'll be fighting all year and all those lefty bats. The sox are going to tee off on pineda.  :-X


Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: Grape Ape on January 15, 2012, 05:44:30 PM
I feel the same way.

But I think about who we'll be fighting all year and all those lefty bats. The sox are going to tee off on pineda.  :-X

The sox aren't even on my radar right now.

I heard an interesting perspective from a friend of mine who does scouting for one of the Yankee blogs.  He said if Pineda were a Yankee prospect, and had the rookie year he just had, then we traded him for Jesus Montero, we'd all be going ape shit over it.

There's an impact bat on the market every year - heck, there's a monster one out there for the taking right now.  It's much easier to acquire that than it is for a legit #2 with #1 upside who is 22 and under control.   The Mariners only made this deal because they have some great arms in the minors.


Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: 2ND COMING on January 15, 2012, 05:50:21 PM
The m's are stacked with young pitching. Thats why I felt that they got the better part of this deal.

We have a lot of aging bats on the team and Hank is taking the route to develop talent versus buying it. He's made it clear they're not going to spend like they used to.

Only time can tell how this deal will favor both teams.


Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: Grape Ape on January 15, 2012, 06:02:51 PM
The m's are stacked with young pitching. Thats why I felt that they got the better part of this deal.

We have a lot of aging bats on the team and Hank is taking the route to develop talent versus buying it. He's made it clear they're not going to spend like they used to.

Only time can tell how this deal will favor both teams.

They're not spending like they used to, but if they have a need and there's elite talent available, they'll spend.   They will have to anyway - we don't have a hitter nearly like that in the system, but Gary Sanchez in the minors might be the reason they were willing to part with Montero.


Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: 2ND COMING on January 15, 2012, 06:06:41 PM
They're not spending like they used to, but if they have a need and there's elite talent available, they'll spend.   They will have to anyway - we don't have a hitter nearly like that in the system, but Gary Sanchez in the minors might be the reason they were willing to part with Montero.

Farewell, Jorge.  :'(

At least he retired a yank.


Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: Grape Ape on January 15, 2012, 06:13:33 PM
Farewell, Jorge.  :'(

At least he retired a yank.

Yeah.  It's weird seeing players retire who you followed their entire career.   Core 2 now.



Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: Grape Ape on January 15, 2012, 06:20:37 PM
I know where you stand on the trade, but I didn't know this stuff below.  Pretty amazing:

Quote
I think the people who are questioning the deal are not fully understanding what Pineda did last year. The gap between Pineda and Montero in terms of success at the big league level is so wide that it is just flat-out incorrect to say that he has "a little more success" as a Major Leaguer than Montero at this point.

Here are some rankings that I got Baseball Reference:

Of all rookie RHP in the AL in the DH era (1973-current) 22 or younger who started at least 25 games, Pineda's 2011 season was:

1st in BAA
1st in H/9
1st in K/BB ratio
2nd in total strikeouts (Bobby Witt 1st)
2nd in K/9 (Witt)
2nd in WHIP (Mark Fidrych 1st)
2nd in SLG against (Fidrych)
2nd in OBP against (Fidrych)


Expanding to all rookie RHP 22 years old and younger in American League history (The AL was founded in 1901) who started at least 25 games, Pineda's year ranked:

1st in K/BB rate
2nd in total strikeouts
2nd in K/9
2nd in WHIP
3rd in H/9


If you broaden the scope even further and compare his 2011 season to all rookie RHP 22 or younger, who started at least 25 games in any league since the AL was formed in 1901, Pineda's freshman campaign ranks:


4th in K/BB rate (Behind only Don Sutton, Dwight Gooden, and Gary Nolan)
8th in total strikeouts
5th in in K/9 (Behind only Kerry Wood, Gooden, Witt, and Tom Griffin)
5th in WHIP (Behind only Fidrych, Gooden, Sutton, and a guy from the Deadball Era)
8th in H/9


Pineda's 2011 wasn't just "good", "solid", or "successful", it was very clearly "historic".

Just for clarity's sake, I'm once again not arguing against the idea that he's not a risk due to injury, but instead that his accomplishments in the Majors somehow don't out distance Montero's by a margin that is so big it's not even remotely close.


Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: 2ND COMING on January 15, 2012, 06:33:42 PM
Most 22 year old pitchers worth a damn are not in the big league at that age, wouldn't you agree?

Pineda's got a ton of starts so early in his career. He's obviously talented. Combined with the trust(or necessity) the m's put in him I can't say I'm surprised at those records. Having a great defense behind him couldn't have hurt either.


Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: Grape Ape on January 15, 2012, 07:55:29 PM
You make vaild points, but as for the defense points, he did post a .342 FIP, which is top 30.

The guy can flat out pitch.  We'll see how it goes.


Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: 2ND COMING on January 18, 2012, 07:38:37 PM
Interesting new luxury tax rule in the 2011 Collective bargaining agreement that I wasn't aware of.

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ē The current $178 million thresholds for the "luxury tax" on payrolls will remain unchanged in 2012 and 2013 but will increase to $189 million for 2014, 2015, and 2016. The tax rate will decrease to 17.5 percent for teams that exceed the threshold for the first time, and increase to 50 percent for clubs that exceed it for the fourth time or more. Rates will remain the same for clubs that exceed the threshold for the second time (30 percent) and third time (40 percent).

Wow


Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: funk51 on January 19, 2012, 08:01:57 AM
rockies sign 49 year old jamie moyer 8)


Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: Grape Ape on January 19, 2012, 07:26:57 PM
That is why the Yankees are manipulating payroll with the goal of being under that threshold in 2014.


Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: 2ND COMING on January 20, 2012, 06:47:58 AM
That is why the Yankees are manipulating payroll with the goal of being under that threshold in 2014.

Posada might be back as strictly dh  ???


Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: Grape Ape on January 20, 2012, 11:00:39 AM
Posada might be back as strictly dh  ???

I always thought it was a possibility when Montero was traded.   Damon/Matsui/Posada all could be a lefty platoon DH.   


Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: 2ND COMING on January 24, 2012, 08:02:31 AM
I always thought it was a possibility when Montero was traded.   Damon/Matsui/Posada all could be a lefty platoon DH.   

His press conference is today.


Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: njflex on January 24, 2012, 12:00:02 PM
I always thought it was a possibility when Montero was traded.   Damon/Matsui/Posada all could be a lefty platoon DH.   
i would take back damon in a heartbeat,,,he has killer swing built for ny and great guy too boot ,i feel he is a piece to finalize a great run has the knack for big hr.


Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: Grape Ape on January 24, 2012, 04:35:04 PM
No DH is worth what Prince Fielder got.   You can't get enough value from a DH to justify that payment.


Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: Doug_Steele on January 30, 2012, 01:08:23 PM
No DH is worth what Prince Fielder got.   You can't get enough value from a DH to justify that payment.

This.  >:(

I am not even happy about the signing.  >:(


Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: CalvinH on January 31, 2012, 05:00:13 AM
Brian Cashman was in the Dunkin Doughnuts I stopped in this morning.


Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: Irongrip400 on February 01, 2012, 05:26:58 AM
Let's go O's!


Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: funk51 on February 02, 2012, 07:58:03 AM
phillies sign chad qualls p , maybe they should aquire another power bat instead.


Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: mass 04 on February 03, 2012, 10:13:09 AM
The Marlins new park...oh man lol

(http://mlb.mlb.com/images/1/3/0/26556130/640marlins_hz5ha3gt.jpg)

Workers install the new mechanized sculpture in center field that will activate when a Marlin homers at spanking-new Marlins Park.

(http://i.huffpost.com/gadgets/slideshows/207435/slide_207435_658786_large.jpg?1328210823)


Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: funk51 on February 03, 2012, 10:36:42 AM
good lord almost as bad as their new unis.


Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: funk51 on February 03, 2012, 10:38:46 AM
look like a college team or minor leagues. ;D


Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: mass 04 on February 03, 2012, 06:58:19 PM
look like a college team or minor leagues. ;D
Every team should be like the Yankess, Tigers, Cards etc...Have two uniforms, a white home and road gray. I know it's all about merchandise sales, but I hate the batting practice jerseys that teams like the Red Sox, Mets, and like two dozen others wear for games.


Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: Grape Ape on February 03, 2012, 07:11:07 PM
Every team should be like the Yankess, Tigers, Cards etc...Have two uniforms, a white home and road gray. I know it's all about merchandise sales, but I hate the batting practice jerseys that teams like the Red Sox, Mets, and like two dozen others wear for games.

Agree.  Although if every team did it, it wouldn't be as cool for teams like NY, etc...


Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: 2ND COMING on February 04, 2012, 01:03:34 PM
Only about a week out...


Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: 2ND COMING on February 07, 2012, 08:12:22 PM
Supposedly Curt Schilling owns a software dev. company and they're releasing a new game.

(http://media.giantbomb.com/uploads/8/87209/2121648-box_koar_large.png)


Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: Grape Ape on February 08, 2012, 04:26:25 AM
Supposedly Curt Schilling owns a software dev. company and they're releasing a new game.

(http://media.giantbomb.com/uploads/8/87209/2121648-box_koar_large.png)

CF on my softball teams works at his company.   They moved to RI when the state gave his studio a huge tax break.  Schilling has breakfast once a month with a random set of employees just to ask how things are going, which is really cool.


Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: funk51 on February 08, 2012, 07:51:10 AM
Supposedly Curt Schilling owns a software dev. company and they're releasing a new game.

(http://media.giantbomb.com/uploads/8/87209/2121648-box_koar_large.png)
suprised it's not a civil war game. schilling is a big history buff esp. civil war.


Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: Grape Ape on February 08, 2012, 08:29:13 AM
suprised it's not a civil war game. schilling is a big history buff esp. civil war.

If Schilling's personal interests had a major influence on this game, I would expect it to center around an all you can eat buffet.


Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: njflex on February 09, 2012, 06:10:54 PM
If Schilling's personal interests had a major influence on this game, I would expect it to center around an all you can eat buffet.
lol,,,big mouth,,,great pitcher tho.hall of fame?


Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: Grape Ape on February 18, 2012, 09:37:46 PM
lol,,,big mouth,,,great pitcher tho.hall of fame?

Never considered it, but it's a good question.  I just looked up some stuff.  Never won a Cy, but I don't put too much stock in that stuff since the writers are knuckleheads and choose poorly so often.

His career is almost identical to Kevin Brown's.

Great durability and some great seasons, but going with no.


Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: funk51 on February 19, 2012, 07:45:55 AM
Never considered it, but it's a good question.  I just looked up some stuff.  Never won a Cy, but I don't put too much stock in that stuff since the writers are knuckleheads and choose poorly so often.

His career is almost identical to Kevin Brown's.

Great durability and some great seasons, but going with no.
still chews tobacco, doesn't quite deserve HOF but will probably make it on his first three tries. up for it next year with clemens sosa and bonds.


Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: funk51 on February 19, 2012, 07:55:17 AM
 ;D    according to all determining factors he's a shoe in. black ink 42 out of 40 for avg hof er/ gray ink 205 out of 185. hof mon 171 out of 100. only  hof stan. does he fall a little short 46 out of 50. in his top 10 most like,  2 are in the hof don drysdale and dazzy vance and pedro martinez should be a shoein hofer.


Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: Grape Ape on February 19, 2012, 11:31:02 AM
;D    according to all determining factors he's a shoe in. black ink 42 out of 40 for avg hof er/ gray ink 205 out of 185. hof mon 171 out of 100. only  hof stan. does he fall a little short 46 out of 50. in his top 10 most like,  2 are in the hof don drysdale and dazzy vance and pedro martinez should be a shoein hofer.

I looked at the black ink/grey ink and saw that.  Schilling gets high marks on the black because of leading the league in wins twice, leading in IP, and CG a couple times too.  I don't know though.   He will probably get votes from the Boston Media Machine anyway, just like how they pushed in Rice.



Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: funk51 on February 19, 2012, 02:54:57 PM
compare him to this guy. who deserves it more? he loses badly in black ink.


Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: Grape Ape on February 19, 2012, 05:37:04 PM
compare him to this guy. who deserves it more? he loses badly in black ink.

Wasn't black ink made up by Bill James?   I wonder if any writers actually use it.


Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: funk51 on February 20, 2012, 11:52:16 AM
Wasn't black ink made up by Bill James?   I wonder if any writers actually use it.
not reaklly sure but ut's a good measure for peak performance as it marks the best in league for that year. i have his book it's a good read discussing baseballs HOF


Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: 2ND COMING on February 24, 2012, 07:42:58 AM
Braun wins his appeal???


Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: funk51 on February 24, 2012, 10:27:15 AM
Braun wins his appeal???
i heard he had to take some kind of medication to combat herpes, which caused the positive test. he was too embarrassed to tell anyone at the time. true????? who knows.


Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: Grape Ape on February 24, 2012, 10:43:44 AM
Sounds like a technicality.


Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: Princess L on February 24, 2012, 12:10:24 PM
Braun wins his appeal???

Sounds like a technicality.

An MLB arbitrator upheld Braunís appeal of a 50 game suspension for a banned substance. MLB's executive vice president declares that baseball ďvehemently disagrees with the decision of the arbitrator"

Do I believe he's guilty?  ABSOLUTELY NO.  There are a couple of questions I have.  First of all, WTH could cause a testosterone reading so absurdly high?  From what I heard, the elevated level was so high that even if he was on test, the number couldn't have possibly been that high.  How long between taking a sample and actually doing the test is acceptable for results to be accurate (given the sample was handled properly)?  The sample was taken on a Saturday.  The "courier" was supposed to immediately ship it FedEx.  Instead, he took the sample home because he said the FedEx office was closed.  So the test wasn't even administered until at least Monday or Tuesday  ::)

So, did he get off on a "technicality"?  Yes.  But there are A LOT of other questions that need answering.


Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: 2ND COMING on February 27, 2012, 10:32:36 AM
Do I believe he's guilty?  ABSOLUTELY NO.

::)

good one , sugar tits.


Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: Doug_Steele on February 27, 2012, 10:37:27 AM

::)

good one , sugar tits.

 :D :D


Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: Grape Ape on February 27, 2012, 11:18:38 AM

::)

good one , sugar tits.

Yeah, I literally  type a response to that four times this weekend, but didn't feel like getting into it.


Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: 2ND COMING on February 27, 2012, 11:30:44 AM
Yeah, I literally  type a response to that four times this weekend, but didn't feel like getting into it.

She either:

A: lives in wisconsin

B. has a thing for ryan braun
 
C. both?


Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: Grape Ape on February 27, 2012, 11:43:41 AM
Or it was a typo.  I'm going with Wisconsin.


Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: Princess L on February 27, 2012, 08:30:17 PM


::)

good one , sugar tits.

Yeah, I literally  type a response to that four times this weekend, but didn't feel like getting into it.

Or it was a typo.  I'm going with Wisconsin.

So explain this to me:

First of all, WTH could cause a testosterone reading so absurdly high?  From what I heard, the elevated level was so high that even if he was on test, the number couldn't have possibly been that high.  How long between taking a sample and actually doing the test is acceptable for results to be accurate (given the sample was handled properly)?  The sample was taken on a Saturday.  The "courier" was supposed to immediately ship it FedEx.  Instead, he took the sample home because he said the FedEx office was closed.  So the test wasn't even administered until at least Monday or Tuesday  ::)

He didnít gain a single pound.  He literally didnít get 1/10th of a second faster. His workouts have been virtually the exact same for six years. He didnít get 1% stronger. He didnít have any additional power or any additional arm strength. All that is documented.  


Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: Grape Ape on February 28, 2012, 05:11:13 AM

So explain this to me:

First of all, WTH could cause a testosterone reading so absurdly high?  From what I heard, the elevated level was so high that even if he was on test, the number couldn't have possibly been that high.  

Victor Conte stated that his T/E ratios were 20-1.  Others were as high as 80/1.   Have you seen it confirmed anywhere what his actual T/E level was, or are you drawing your conclusion based heresy?   Has MLB stated the results?  I don't even think they can under the collective bargaining agreement.


How long between taking a sample and actually doing the test is acceptable for results to be accurate (given the sample was handled properly)?  The sample was taken on a Saturday.  The "courier" was supposed to immediately ship it FedEx.  Instead, he took the sample home because he said the FedEx office was closed.  So the test wasn't even administered until at least Monday or Tuesday  ::)

Would this delay cause a spike in T levels?  The collector didn't compromise the results.. The seals and specimen were intact when they arrived at the testing center. There is absolutely nothing about the entire process that would put the results into question.   The only possible explanation that would exonerate Braun is that the sample was tampered with. It has been stated that the triple sealed vial was not tampered with and it would be almost impossible to unseal and reseal. The collector testified that he had the sample in his possession the entire weekend and at no point did Braun argue the actual results or claim that the sample was tampered with.


He didnít gain a single pound.  He literally didnít get 1/10th of a second faster. His workouts have been virtually the exact same for six years. He didnít get 1% stronger. He didnít have any additional power or any additional arm strength. All that is documented. [/color]

So, by your words, Brauns been working out for six years, and hasn't gotten any stronger or faster?   He needs to fire his trainer, or hire one.


Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: Princess L on February 28, 2012, 03:54:48 PM
Victor Conte stated that his T/E ratios were 20-1.  Others were as high as 80/1.   Have you seen it confirmed anywhere what his actual T/E level was, or are you drawing your conclusion based heresy?   Has MLB stated the results?  I don't even think they can under the collective bargaining agreement.

Not sure where Conte is getting his info.  20-1  80-1  :o
I'm only basing it on what Braun has said which is: The test came back 3X higher than any test test ever conducted.


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Would this delay cause a spike in T levels?  The collector didn't compromise the results.. The seals and specimen were intact when they arrived at the testing center. There is absolutely nothing about the entire process that would put the results into question.   The only possible explanation that would exonerate Braun is that the sample was tampered with. It has been stated that the triple sealed vial was not tampered with and it would be almost impossible to unseal and reseal. The collector testified that he had the sample in his possession the entire weekend and at no point did Braun argue the actual results or claim that the sample was tampered with.
Not arguing the sample was tampered with.
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So, by your words, Brauns been working out for six years, and hasn't gotten any stronger or faster?   He needs to fire his trainer, or hire one.
Not my words; his


Given what's on the line, you would think MLB would have some mechanism for verifying that players accused of violating rules really did violate the rules.  The truth is that lab technicians make mistakes - which is why doctors often call for a second battery of tests to verify results (in the lay-world)

You'd think that a multi-billion dollar industry would have a more reliable way of processing drug tests than allowing some guy named Dino to stash samples in their home for days before sending them to the lab.  Just saying ...

Anyway, having listened and watched Braun's press conference in its entirety, I tend to believe him, especially since I'm not as convinced as others that labs never make mistakes.

Press conference transcript




"I want to say thanks to (Brewers vice president of communications) Tyler Barnes. I want to say a special thank you to Michael Weiner and the players[..]ociation for supporting me through this situation and through this challenge. I want to thank the entire Milwaukee Brewers organization starting with Mark Attanasio, who truly represents everything thatís good about our game today. I want to thank my teammates, many of whom are here today and have supported me through this entire situation. I want to thank my family, my friends, a lot of other players around the league who have supported me and were there for me and who have stood by me throughout the biggest challenge Iíve ever faced in my life. I also want to thank athletes in other sports who have stepped up, shown their support and been there for me. I want to take a moment to especially thank the fans, all the fans who have supported me as well as the fans who withheld judgment as I respected the confidentiality of this case."

"As Iíve previously stated, this is without a doubt the biggest challenge Iíve ever faced in my life, and itís made it that much more challenging that Iíve had to deal with it publicly. But I truly view this challenge as an opportunity, just as Iíve viewed every other challenge in my life Ė as an opportunity. Iíve tried to respect this process, even though the confidentiality of the process was breached early on. Iíve tried to handle the entire situation with honor, with integrity, with class, with dignity and with professionalism because thatís who I am and thatís how Iíve always lived my life.

"If I had done this intentionally or unintentionally, Iíd be the first one to step up and say, ĎI did it.í By no means am I perfect, but if Iíve ever made any mistakes in my life Iíve taken responsibility for my actions. I truly believe in my heart, and I would bet my life, that this substance never entered my body at any point.

"Iíve always had tremendous respect for the game of baseball, and part of the reason that Iíve kept quiet throughout the course of this ordeal, and part of the reason why I wonít be able to get into all the details today, is to put the best interests of the game ahead of the best interests of myself. And that hasnít been easy. There were a lot of times when I wanted to come out and tell the entire story, to attack everybody as Iíve been attacked, as my nameís been dragged through the mud as everything Iíve worked for my entire life was called into question. There were a lot of times I wanted to come out, tell the entire story, but at the end of the day I recognized whatís actually best for the game of baseball and I put that ahead of what was actually best for myself.

"I could have never, ever envisioned being in this position today discussing this subject with you guys. But I truly believe that everything in life happens for a reason. I learned a long time ago to stop questioning life. I believe that everything thatís thrown at us weíre able to handle, and thereís a reason for it. I have yet to figure out exactly what the reason for this is, but I donít question that.

"Iíve always stood up for what is right. Today is about everybody whoís been wrongly accused, and everybody whoís ever had to stand up for what is actually right. Today isnít about me, it isnít just about one player Ė itís about all players. Itís about all current players, all future players and everybody who plays the game of baseball.

"Despite the fact there have been many inaccurate, erroneous and completely fabricated stories regarding this issue, Iíve maintained the integrity of the confidentiality of the process. Thereís never been a personal medical issue, Iíve never had an STD. Many of the stories that were erroneously reported by the initial network continue to live on, and itís sad and disappointing that this has become a PR battle and that people continue to leak information thatís inaccurate.

"I will continue to take the high road because thatís who I am, and thatís the way that Iíve lived my life. We won because the truth is on my side. The truth is always relevant, and at the end of the day the truth prevailed. I am a victim of a process that completely broke down and failed the way it was applied to me in this case. As players, weíre held to a standard of 100 percent perfection regarding the program, and everybody else[..]ociated with that program should be held to the same standard. Weíre a part of a process where youíre 100 percent guilty until proven innocent. Itís opposite of the American judicial system Ė itís not an innocent until proven guilty situation. So if weíre held to that standard, itís only fair that everybody else is held to that exact same standard. With whatís at stake Ė this is my livelihood, this is my integrity, this is my character, this is everything that Iíve worked for in my life being called into question Ė we need to make sure that we get it right. If youíre going to be in a position where youíre 100 percent guilty until proven innocent, you canít mess up. And todayís about making sure that this never happens to anybody else who plays this game.

"The system in the way it was applied to me in this case was fatally flawed. The initial test result in question was on Oct. 1. It was a playoff game. I was made aware of the positive test result on Oct. 19, at which point I had a conversation with the players[..]ociation. I expressed to them that I have not done anything that could have possibly led to this test result. I told them that I promise you on anything thatís ever meant anything to me in my life Ė the morals, the values, the virtues by which Iíve lived in my 28 years on this planet Ė I did not do this. I told them that I would be an open book. I opened up my life to them. I told them I would be more than happy and willing to take any and every test to prove that I did not do this.

"You know, the entire process has really been frustrating for me. Itís been an extremely difficult, challenging time in my life. But at the end of the day, I know the truth. My friends, family, teammates, Milwaukee Brewers organization and everybody who knows me knows the truth. At the point that I told the players[..]ociation about the positive test, they told me that the test result was three times higher than any number in the history of drug testing. Weíve had this program since, I believe, 2003 or 2004. I donít know how many tens of thousands of tests there have been. But the fact that thereís a single number thatís three times higher than any number in the history of drug testing made me question the validity of the result. At that point, I was able to prove to them through contemporaneously documented recordings that I literally didnít gain a single pound. When weíre in Milwaukee we weigh in at least once or twice a week. I was able to prove that I literally didnít gain a single pound. Our times are recorded every time we run down the line, first to third, first to home. I literally didnít get one-tenth of a second faster. My workouts have been virtually the exact same for six years. I didnít get one percent stronger. I didnít work out any more often. I didnít have any additional power or any additional arm strength. All of those things are documented contemporaneously, and if anything had changed, I wouldnít be able to go back and pretend like it didnít change.

"I initially took a humanistic approach and explained to them, ĎIím 27 years old, Iím just entering my prime, I have a contract guaranteed for nine more years. Iíve been tested 25 times over the course of my career, at least three times this season prior to this test, and an additional time when I signed my contract, including an extensive physical, blood test Ė everything you could imagine. Iíve never had any issue. There is no evidence to suggest otherwise, and they said, ĎThatís great, we believe you. In fact, the other side believes you. None of this makes any sense to anybody.í At that point they explained to me the way that the process works, and that the burden of proof falls on us to be able to prove objectively what caused the positive test result, or what could have went wrong during the process that could have possibly led to the positive test result.

"So at that point, we start looking into the process. It states in the Joint Drug Prevention and Treatment program that all samples shall be taken immediately to FedEx on the day theyíre collected absent unusual circumstances. The reason that this is important, typically the only two people in the world who know whose sample it is are us, the donor, and the collector, who receives our urine samples. In my case there was an additional third person, the son of the collector, who just so happened to be the my chaperone on the day that I was tested. The day of the test we had a 1 oíclock game. I provided my sample at about 4:30. There were two other players who provided their samples that day within 10 minutes of mine. The collector left the field at about 5 oíclock. There were at least five FedEx locations within five miles of the stadium that were open until 9 p.m. and an additional FedEx location that was open for 24 hours. There were upwards of 18 or 19 FedEx locations that were open between the ballpark and his house that he could have dropped the samples off at.

"When FedEx received the samples, it then creates a chain of custody at the FedEx location where he eventually brought my sample to. It would have been stored in a temperature-controlled environment, and FedEx is used to handling clinical packaging. But most importantly, you then would become a number and no longer a name. So when we provide our samples, there is a number and no longer a name[..]ociated with the sample. That way there canít be any bias Ė whether itís with FedEx, while itís traveling, at the lab in Montreal, in any way Ė based on somebodyís race, religion, ethnicity, what team they play for, whatever the case may be. As players, the confidentiality of this process is extremely important. Itís always been extremely important, because the only way for the process to succeed is for the confidentiality and the chain of custody to work.

"Why he didnít bring it in, I donít know. On the day that he did finally bring it in, FedEx opened at 7:30. Why didnít he bring it in until 1:30? I canít answer that question. Why was there zero documentation? What could have possibly happened to it during that 44-hour period? There were a lot of things that we learned about the collector, about the collection process, about the way that the entire thing worked that made us very concerned and very suspicious about what could have actually happened.

"I want everybody to ask themselves this question: if you guys went to go get a physical, something youíve done 20-25 other times in your life, and three weeks later and told you that you were terminally ill with a disease, and it made no sense to you. ĎI feel perfectly fine, nothingís any different than itís ever been, this doesnít make any sense,í and you look back at the process and you find out that your doctor decided to take your urine sample home for a 44-, 48-hour period, thereís no documentation as to what happened. You donít know if he left it in the trunk of his car, you donít know where it could have been or what could have potentially happened to it during that period of time. I can[..]ure you that you would never go back to that doctor, and you would demand a re-test.

"When our samples get to the lab in Montreal, they literally handle them like itís a nuclear weapon. Everything is documented, everything is recorded. Anybody who enters the room where the samples are stored, their names are recorded, they sign for it, they write the time that theyíre there. The model of the refrigerator theyíre stored in is recorded, the temperature itís stored at is recorded. Every time they move it, itís all documented. Contemporaneously documented, and thatís important, again, with whatís at stake Ė our livelihoods, our integrity, everything weíve ever worked for in our lives, itís extremely important that there isnít room for human error or systematic error.

"We spoke to biochemists and scientists and we asked them, ĎHow difficult would it be to tamper with somebodyís sample?í And their response was that, ĎIf they were motivated, it would be extremely easy.í Again, thatís why itís so important to get it out of the hands of the only person in the world who knows whose sample it is. As soon as it gets to FedEx, they donít know whose sample it is. As soon as it gets to the lab, they donít know whose sample it is. Thatís why itís extremely important.

"Ultimately, as I sit here today, the system worked because I am innocent, and I was able to prove my innocence. After today I look forward to returning my focus to the game of baseball, being able to get back with my teammates, allowing my life to return to some sense of normalcy and focusing on helping our team get back to the post-season.

Iíll try to answer all of your questions, but please respect the fact that I canít get into many details of the process because itís supposed to be confidential, and because of potential ongoing litigations and the fact that I am considering all my legal options. There may be some questions I canít answer.



Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: Grape Ape on February 29, 2012, 04:02:32 AM
Not sure where Conte is getting his info.  20-1  80-1  :o
I'm only basing it on what Braun has said which is: The test came back 3X higher than any test test ever conducted.

I guess Conte's seen 80-1 in test results.  The 20-1 which he said was Braun's I can't verify where he got the info.  The 3x comment are Braun's words.  In essence, we have nothing from MLB so it all needs to be taken with a grain of salt.


Given what's on the line, you would think MLB would have some mechanism for verifying that players accused of violating rules really did violate the rules.  

They do.  The players get tested by one of the best labs in the country and they have extremely strict collecton procedures.  Braun even states it in he press conference that you posted.


The truth is that lab technicians make mistakes - which is why doctors often call for a second battery of tests to verify results (in the lay-world)[/color]

Has anyone, including the Braun camp, said the lab made a mistake?


You'd think that a multi-billion dollar industry would have a more reliable way of processing drug tests than allowing some guy named Dino to stash samples in their home for days before sending them to the lab.  Just saying ...

Please read the attached and let me know what you think that "Dino" did that was wrong and what impact it had on the test results:
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On October 1, 2011, I collected samples from Mr. Braun and two other players. The CDT collection team for that day, in addition to me, included three chaperones and a CDT coordinator. One of the chaperones was my son, Anthony. Chaperones do not have any role in the actual collection process, but rather escort the player to the collection area.
I followed the same procedure in collecting Mr. Braunís sample as I did in the hundreds of other samples I collected under the Program. I sealed the bottles containing Mr. Braunís A and B samples with specially-numbered, tamper-resistant seals, and Mr. Braun signed a form certifying, among other things, that the specimens were capped and sealed in his presence and that the specimen identification numbers on the top of the form matched those on the seals.
I placed the two bottles containing Mr. Braunís samples in a plastic bag and sealed the bag. I then placed the sealed bag in a standard cardboard Specimen Box which I also sealed with a tamper-resistant, correspondingly-numbered seal placed over the box opening. I then placed Mr. Braunís Specimen Box, and the Specimen Boxes containing the samples of the two other players, in a Federal Express Clinic Pack. None of the sealed Specimen Boxes identified the players. I completed my collections at Miller Park at approximately 5:00 p.m. Given the lateness of the hour that I completed my collections, there was no FedEx office located within 50 miles of Miller Park that would ship packages that day or Sunday.
Therefore, the earliest that the specimens could be shipped was Monday, October 3. In that circumstance, CDT has instructed collectors since I began in 2005 that they should safeguard the samples in their homes until FedEx is able to immediately ship the sample to the laboratory, rather than having the samples sit for one day or more at a local FedEx office. The protocol has been in place since 2005 when I started with CDT and there have been other occasions when I have had to store samples in my home for at least one day, all without incident.

The FedEx Clinic Pack containing Mr. Braunís samples never left my custody. Consistent with CDTís instructions, I brought the FedEx Clinic Pack containing the samples to my home. Immediately upon arriving home, I placed the FedEx Clinic Pack in a Rubbermaid container in my office which is located in my basement. My basement office is sufficiently cool to store urine samples. No one other than my wife was in my home during the period in which the samples were stored. The sealed Specimen Boxes were not removed from the FedEx Clinic Pack during the entire period in which they were in my home. On Monday, October 3, I delivered the FedEx Clinic Pack containing Mr. Braunís Specimen Box to a FedEx office for delivery to the laboratory on Tuesday, October 4. At no point did I tamper in any way with the samples. It is my understanding that the samples were received at the laboratory with all tamper-resistant seals intact.



http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/20...ight/#comments





Anyway, having listened and watched Braun's press conference in its entirety, I tend to believe him, especially since I'm not as convinced as others that labs never make mistakes.[/color]

Press conference transcript



I don't think anyone's said labs never make mistakes.  I just don't see anyone saying it here.  All we've seen is Braun getting his case over turned because of a technicality.


Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: funk51 on February 29, 2012, 06:46:37 AM

So explain this to me:

First of all, WTH could cause a testosterone reading so absurdly high?  From what I heard, the elevated level was so high that even if he was on test, the number couldn't have possibly been that high.  How long between taking a sample and actually doing the test is acceptable for results to be accurate (given the sample was handled properly)?  The sample was taken on a Saturday.  The "courier" was supposed to immediately ship it FedEx.  Instead, he took the sample home because he said the FedEx office was closed.  So the test wasn't even administered until at least Monday or Tuesday  ::)

He didnít gain a single pound.  He literally didnít get 1/10th of a second faster. His workouts have been virtually the exact same for six years. He didnít get 1% stronger. He didnít have any additional power or any additional arm strength. All that is documented.  
this guy was on PEDS., i'm just saying


Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: 2ND COMING on March 01, 2012, 06:44:16 PM
So a.j. burnett was practicing bunting a took a ball to the eye. Fractured orbital out 8 weeks. Yeah..


Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: funk51 on March 02, 2012, 03:39:53 PM
10 teams playoffs for mlb 2012. 1 game wildcard game. i think it's good because wild card team will be forced to burn top pitcher for this game. phillies probably would have beat cards if this was in effect for last year.


Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: Grape Ape on March 02, 2012, 05:08:53 PM
Personally, I think this is horrible, and MLBs going to get heavily criticized when the first 82 win team knocks out a 95 win team in a one game playoff.

I think it cheapens the integrity of the 162 game season.  I feel the same way about the 3 out of 5 division series.


Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: funk51 on March 03, 2012, 07:06:53 AM
Personally, I think this is horrible, and MLBs going to get heavily criticized when the first 82 win team knocks out a 95 win team in a one game playoff.

I think it cheapens the integrity of the 162 game season.  I feel the same way about the 3 out of 5 division series.
i agree with you on the 3 out of 5 every round should be 4 of 7. but i like a wildcard to be at every diasavantage possible to earn it's spot as it is wildcard has little dissadvantage than 102 win team.... in football guys get beat up for an extra game at least wildcard weekend.


Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: funk51 on March 04, 2012, 08:25:12 AM
albert p tells angels not to use billboard saying he is the man in respect  to stan the man.


Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: Grape Ape on March 04, 2012, 09:51:00 AM
i agree with you on the 3 out of 5 every round should be 4 of 7. but i like a wildcard to be at every diasavantage possible to earn it's spot as it is wildcard has little dissadvantage than 102 win team.... in football guys get beat up for an extra game at least wildcard weekend.

You make valid points, and I guess I can concede that it's the penalty for being a Wildcard.    But, being a Yankee fan, often it takes a ridiculous amount of wins to win that division, and I'd hate to see even Tampa win 96 games and get eliminated by a Cleveland type team.


Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: funk51 on March 06, 2012, 09:30:03 AM
lenny dykstra gets 3 years in state prison. : and shows  no remorse to the victims.


Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: 2ND COMING on March 23, 2012, 08:36:15 AM
joba dislocated right ankle. Had surgery yesterday.


Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: Grape Ape on March 23, 2012, 09:04:39 AM
joba dislocated right ankle. Had surgery yesterday.

Figures


Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: funk51 on March 23, 2012, 02:11:55 PM
jamie moyer pitches 4 perfect innings at 49 years old guys  pitching like a hungry minor leaguer trying to make the big club for the first time.


Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: Grape Ape on April 21, 2012, 05:57:46 PM
Just got back from Fenway park.  Those are the games you love to be a Yankee fan at.


Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: garebear on April 21, 2012, 09:03:04 PM
My prediction: A St. Louis Repeat!


Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: funk51 on April 22, 2012, 07:14:47 AM
cliff lee out after pitching 10 shutout innings with nothing to show for it phillies can't hit kemp 9 hrs and 22 rbi's in 15 games with teamate andre either not far behind with 21 ribbies. jamie moyer gets win at 49 years old era is 2.55.


Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: CalvinH on April 23, 2012, 03:45:34 AM
Gotta love the Red Sox so far this year :D


Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: njflex on April 23, 2012, 11:21:26 AM
yanks have nice offense,bullpen top notch,starting pitching which looked great in march now has holes.need pettitte imagine that.


Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: Grape Ape on April 23, 2012, 12:30:32 PM
You're right nj.

Here's a good article on it:

http://riveraveblues.com/2012/04/the-importance-of-andy-pettitte-67371/


Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: njflex on April 23, 2012, 06:38:10 PM
You're right nj.

Here's a good article on it:

http://riveraveblues.com/2012/04/the-importance-of-andy-pettitte-67371/
yanks beat a crazy lineup loaded texas rangers with kuroda starting ,,rangers look great but the yanks look good and have too much offense and bullpen for the rays overall and the bluejays on paper look strong and young but still not enough.boston are in shambles at this point,valentine has his work cut out and i think he dosen't have the patience nor do the fans for him at this point.


Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: CalvinH on April 24, 2012, 04:33:39 AM
yanks beat a crazy lineup loaded texas rangers with kuroda starting ,,rangers look great but the yanks look good and have too much offense and bullpen for the rays overall and the bluejays on paper look strong and young but still not enough.boston are in shambles at this point,valentine has his work cut out and i think he dosen't have the patience nor do the fans for him at this point.

Boston doesn't have the players either.


Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: 2ND COMING on May 03, 2012, 08:33:08 PM
(http://images.yuku.com/image/gif/c6a3652d13499e1e85fc6820cd7a50b04adfcd7d.gif)


Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: garebear on May 03, 2012, 09:30:31 PM
How old do you guys think Albert Pujols is?


Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: outby43 on May 03, 2012, 10:29:16 PM
How old do you guys think Albert Pujols is?

probably 37...but who knows.

I am glad he is gone from St. Louis. Can you imagine what he would be going through in New York...lol?   If the Cards stay healthy and get Carpenter and Wainwright back to top condition then yes I do see a repeat or at the very least a playoff birth.  St. Louis has big bats from top to bottom.  Pitching is a little shaky at times.  Would love to see a rematch with Texas.


Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: Grape Ape on May 04, 2012, 02:21:48 AM
So bummed right now.  Rivera is my favorite athlete ever.   Hope his career doesn't end like this.


Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: 2ND COMING on May 04, 2012, 04:23:37 PM
Nunez is such a fucking butcher. George would not have put up with this shit.


Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: outby43 on May 04, 2012, 04:31:17 PM
So bummed right now.  Rivera is my favorite athlete ever.   Hope his career doesn't end like this.

The best relief pitcher ever.  His career is over.


Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: 2ND COMING on May 04, 2012, 05:05:22 PM
He'll be back.


Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: funk51 on May 06, 2012, 07:36:13 AM
pujols is doing terrible and has now been benched. angels owe him the world and deal is locked. teams should have some recourse if a guy is over paid and completely loses it.


Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: njflex on May 09, 2012, 05:56:53 PM
pujols is doing terrible and has now been benched. angels owe him the world and deal is locked. teams should have some recourse if a guy is over paid and completely loses it.
he'll adjust eventually too great a player to be done .i think he should have stayed with cards tho,adam dunn has adjusted and is hitting bombs again,he was atrocious last year.


Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: 2ND COMING on May 12, 2012, 12:48:58 AM
Carlos Beltran has 12 hr? Lololol


Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: garebear on May 12, 2012, 03:07:21 AM
Carlos Beltran has 12 hr? Lololol
A lot of players in the twilight of their careers come to St. Louis and have banner years.

Will Clark
Larry Walker
Berkman
Beltran

McGwire came to the Cards after many considered him past his prime.

Not sure why, but it happens.


Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: njflex on May 12, 2012, 09:43:32 AM
A lot of players in the twilight of their careers come to St. Louis and have banner years.

Will Clark
Larry Walker
Berkman
Beltran

McGwire came to the Cards after many considered him past his prime.

Not sure why, but it happens.
good points there,,,,or they go to colorado..todd helton has hall of fame numbers does he get in?


Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: King Shizzo on May 12, 2012, 09:50:51 AM
good points there,,,,or they go to colorado..todd helton has hall of fame numbers does he get in?
He does, but you don't think hof when you talk about Helton.  It's not fair, but part of it is about popularity.


Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: garebear on May 12, 2012, 10:01:12 AM
Haha. Pete Rose pics always crack me up.

He played the game right. Just screwed up afterwards.


Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: njflex on May 12, 2012, 10:14:14 AM
Haha. Pete Rose pics always crack me up.

He played the game right. Just screwed up afterwards.
he did 100pct,,,but everything about him there is pure arrogance the hair,dive/slide,ect,,great player tho,,


Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: garebear on May 12, 2012, 10:19:14 AM
he did 100pct,,,but everything about him there is pure arrogance the hair,dive/slide,ect,,great player tho,,
Yep.

Just to contemplate four thousand hits is amazing.

That's twenty consecutive years of two hundred hit seasons.

It's mind-boggling.



Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: njflex on May 12, 2012, 10:21:00 AM
Yep.

Just to contemplate four thousand hits is amazing.

That's twenty consecutive years of two hundred hit seasons.

It's mind-boggling.


yeah thought boggs would have had shot,,jeter will probably have 3500 still way behind petey...


Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: King Shizzo on May 15, 2012, 12:59:20 PM
Hamilton is the closest thing to the natural.  It's a shame that his substance abuse has/will likely get in the way.


Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: 2ND COMING on May 16, 2012, 06:48:36 AM
Bryce harper's book hits shelves on the 22nd . :-\

http://www.amazon.com/The-Last-Natural-Harpers-Greatest/dp/1250001455/ref=sr_1_6?ie=UTF8&qid=1337179593&sr=8-6 (http://www.amazon.com/The-Last-Natural-Harpers-Greatest/dp/1250001455/ref=sr_1_6?ie=UTF8&qid=1337179593&sr=8-6)


Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: njflex on May 16, 2012, 06:59:31 AM
Bryce harper's book hits shelves on the 22nd . :-\

http://www.amazon.com/The-Last-Natural-Harpers-Greatest/dp/1250001455/ref=sr_1_6?ie=UTF8&qid=1337179593&sr=8-6 (http://www.amazon.com/The-Last-Natural-Harpers-Greatest/dp/1250001455/ref=sr_1_6?ie=UTF8&qid=1337179593&sr=8-6)
hope for his sake he lives up to his potential,,cue andrew jones 19/20 1996 world series blasts 2 homers game 1 and goes on to have nice career and still only 35/36 and great numbers could have hit 500 or more if he stayed healthy.


Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: funk51 on May 16, 2012, 08:47:29 AM
Bryce harper's book hits shelves on the 22nd . :-\

http://www.amazon.com/The-Last-Natural-Harpers-Greatest/dp/1250001455/ref=sr_1_6?ie=UTF8&qid=1337179593&sr=8-6 (http://www.amazon.com/The-Last-Natural-Harpers-Greatest/dp/1250001455/ref=sr_1_6?ie=UTF8&qid=1337179593&sr=8-6)
really dumb, wait till guy has a career before a book is published.


Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: 2ND COMING on May 21, 2012, 12:29:30 PM
Baltimore    27    15    .643
Tampa Bay    25    17    .595   
Toronto    23    19    .548
NY Yankees    21    20    .512
   Boston    20    21    .488

...??


Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: njflex on May 22, 2012, 04:53:05 AM
Baltimore    27    15    .643
Tampa Bay    25    17    .595   
Toronto    23    19    .548
NY Yankees    21    20    .512
   Boston    20    21    .488

...??
yanks are not hitting when it counts,pitching is kinda spotty now after a promising winter,,i would have kept bartolo colon over garcia.they will be better i hope.....


Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: Grape Ape on May 22, 2012, 07:13:52 AM
yanks are not hitting when it counts,pitching is kinda spotty now after a promising winter,,i would have kept bartolo colon over garcia.they will be better i hope.....

The Yankees have no options at this point but to wait it out, and hope that ARod, Teixeira, Cano, and Granderson all normalize to there respective levels.  Getting Robertson and Gardner back will also help.

Then, they should hope Philly struggles, and looks to trade Cole Hamels instead of re-signing him.   Yanks have enough of a farm to land him.


Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: Option D on May 22, 2012, 07:28:38 AM
Dodgers... WS or bust


Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: 2ND COMING on May 24, 2012, 07:33:37 PM
CF on my softball teams works at his company.   They moved to RI when the state gave his studio a huge tax break.  Schilling has breakfast once a month with a random set of employees just to ask how things are going, which is really cool.


I wonder if he still gets a paycheck  :-\
Quote
(Reuters) - The troubled video gaming company run by former Red Sox baseball great Curt Schilling seemed on the verge of collapse on Thursday and had laid off its entire staff, according to several gaming industry websites and other media.

The apparent firings by 38 Studios came days after the company, based in Providence, Rhode Island, barely made a debt repayment to the state, weeks after the money was due.

The Verge.com said 38 Studios had closed its Rhode Island office and its Maryland-based subsidiary, Big Huge Games.

WPRI, a Providence television station, said 38 Studios told its employees that they were laid off effective immediately, as the company experienced "an economic downturn."

38 Studios, formed in 2006 as the brainchild of avid gamer Schilling, had 379 full-time employees as of March 15.

The company received a $75 million taxpayer-backed loan guarantee from Rhode Island in 2010 as an incentive to move its headquarters from Massachusetts. It has received almost $50 million of those funds, according to the state.

Last week, when the company struggled to make a $1.1 million payment, it failed to meet payroll. Two top executives, including Chief Executive Officer Jen MacLean, quit this week and removed 38 Studios from their LinkedIn profiles, according to the Boston Globe.

Rhode Island Governor Lincoln Chafee, who opposed the 38 Studios deal when he ran for office in 2010, and other state officials have had a serious of emergency meetings with Schilling over the past week.

During that time other video game companies have held job fairs in Providence to attract some of the company's embattled - and now available - workers.

Schilling, a New England sports hero who helped bring a World Series back to Boston in 2004 and has also been a prominent backer of conservative politicians, has avoided talking to the media in recent weeks.

On Tuesday, Schilling said on Facebook that his team "has shown breathtaking resilience through these incredibly challenging times."





Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: garebear on May 24, 2012, 08:45:40 PM
What a liar Clemens is.

Hahahahaha.

These guys who lie about steroids have to keep up the lie for years and years. Must be exhausting on the conscience.


Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: 2ND COMING on June 09, 2012, 11:05:25 PM
What the hell is going on in boston?


Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: outby43 on June 10, 2012, 02:29:33 AM
Dodgers... WS or bust

Not a chance


Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: 2ND COMING on June 11, 2012, 08:53:38 PM
yankees are now 10 games above .500

baltimore cooled off a little.

boston up and down but mostly down.


Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: funk51 on June 12, 2012, 06:20:22 AM
phillies  29-33= 62 games what will the final 100 bring?   50-50 if their lucky.


Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: njflex on June 12, 2012, 06:28:06 PM
yankees are now 10 games above .500

baltimore cooled off a little.

boston up and down but mostly down.
yanks are rolling 5 in a row and hitting and pitching on almost all cylinders without gardner,,,they can score on anyone right now and pull out wins 1 run or few down with one swing.they seem to get along and have good mix veterans and younger guys there.bench is nice with jones,chavez,ibanez contributing daily.


Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: njflex on June 12, 2012, 06:31:44 PM
another note bryce harper hit his 7th homer kid is going to be a star ,,,adam dunn has rebounded ten fold and was being destroyed by media as a bust and now 1st half mvp candidate 21 hrs already.


Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: Grape Ape on June 12, 2012, 06:42:33 PM
another note bryce harper hit his 7th homer kid is going to be a star

He and Mike Trout could be NL/AL RoY right now.


Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: njflex on June 12, 2012, 07:01:50 PM
He and Mike Trout could be NL/AL RoY right now.
yeah no doubt,,,


Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: Option D on June 13, 2012, 07:08:11 AM
He and Mike Trout could be NL/AL RoY right now.
Trout is good... went to the Dodgers GAYngles game the other day... He beat us..We got revenge last night tho.


Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: funk51 on June 14, 2012, 06:28:45 AM
jim thome still got it 466 ft homerun last night , just needed a few at bats in rehab to untrack.


Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: njflex on June 14, 2012, 08:34:01 AM
jim thome still got it 466 ft homerun last night , just needed a few at bats in rehab to untrack.
guy is a gamer...


Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: dr.chimps on June 14, 2012, 08:55:02 AM
jim thome still got it 466 ft homerun last night , just needed a few at bats in rehab to untrack.
Serious distance, but 34' short of the taters our flinstones1 can hit.


Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: funk51 on June 15, 2012, 11:55:18 AM
Serious distance, but 34' short of the taters our flinstones1 can hit.
thome owns the 3 longest homers at twins new park all done in last three years 490 the longest.


Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: King Shizzo on June 17, 2012, 12:29:39 PM
What's up with all of these no-hitters/ perfect games all of a sudden?  I heard that homeruns are down by 1000+ a year since they have cracked down on steroids.  I feel bad for the old school players who have had records broken by cheaters.


Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: funk51 on June 17, 2012, 01:51:51 PM
What's up with all of these no-hitters/ perfect games all of a sudden?  I heard that homeruns are down by 1000+ a year since they have cracked down on steroids.  I feel bad for the old school players who have had records broken by cheaters.
apparently pitchers have gotten better than the hitters overall, recently in a 12 inning game the teams used 6 relievers all hit 94 or better on the radar gun with 2 hitting 100 plus. the reds closer a chapman hit 106 on the gun.


Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: Option D on June 18, 2012, 05:38:48 AM
apparently pitchers have gotten better than the hitters overall, recently in a 12 inning game the teams used 6 relievers all hit 94 or better on the radar gun with 2 hitting 100 plus. the reds closer a chapman hit 106 on the gun.

I also think Pitchers can play a lot looser than before. For starters, they watch the pitch count closley and the pitchers can set up hitters better because they know when they get to 110-120 pitches, their "Middle Relief" comes in at the start of the 6th or some gay shit like that. Back in my day, you had a starter that went to the 8th or 9th and a closer. Now you got a "set up guy" so they can pitch a lot more freely. Well thats my opinion


Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: CalvinH on June 19, 2012, 06:29:30 AM
I feel bad for the National league that they have to play the Yankees :'(


Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: Option D on June 21, 2012, 06:26:51 AM
Interleague is Gay and shouldnt count!



Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: Grape Ape on June 21, 2012, 07:40:26 AM
I feel bad for the National league that they have to play the Yankees :'(

Nice jinx, assholio.


Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: CalvinH on June 21, 2012, 07:42:49 AM
Nice jinx, assholio.


Lol,I knew that was coming >:(


Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: 2ND COMING on June 28, 2012, 07:28:44 AM
in∑ju∑ry  (nj-r)

n. pl. in∑ju∑ries
1. Damage or harm done to or suffered by a person or thing: escaped from the accident without injury; a scandal that did considerable injury to the campaign.
2. A particular form of hurt, damage, or loss: a leg injury.
3. Law Violation of the rights of another party for which legal redress is available. See Synonyms at injustice.
4. Obsolete An insult.


Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: 2ND COMING on July 09, 2012, 05:47:26 PM
Bunch of haters down in k.c.



Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: polychronopolous on July 09, 2012, 06:24:57 PM
Don't look now but the Texas Rangers are about to get back Neftali Feliz AND Alexi Ogando combined with All Star closer Joe Nathan and rookie sensation Robbie Ross who already has 6 wins plus a sub 1 ERA, easily the best rookie bullpen pitcher this year in all of baseball. A bullpen containing Felliz, Ogando, Ross, Adams and Joe Nathan is just absolutely SICK.


Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: njflex on July 09, 2012, 06:47:12 PM
even with all the injuries,,yankees sitting with the best record in baseball,,,what was kinda sad rivarly wise boston is like a triple a team at this point sad,,,,


Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: 2ND COMING on July 09, 2012, 08:15:41 PM
Don't look now but the Texas Rangers are about to get back Neftali Feliz AND Alexi Ogando combined with All Star closer Joe Nathan and rookie sensation Robbie Ross who already has 6 wins plus a sub 1 ERA, easily the best rookie bullpen pitcher this year in all of baseball. A bullpen containing Felliz, Ogando, Ross, Adams and Joe Nathan is just absolutely SICK.

I'll tell ya what else is sick, all that goddamn money mlb has put in to that team. Don't they owe arod millions, still? And how the fuck did they come up with the cash to get yu?

 Those are rhetorical questions, btw.


Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: polychronopolous on July 09, 2012, 08:37:07 PM
I'll tell ya what else is sick, all that goddamn money mlb has put in to that team. Don't they owe arod millions, still? And how the fuck did they come up with the cash to get yu?

 Those are rhetorical questions, btw.

Did the MLB put money in THIS current team? No. Maybe the team from 3 years ago when the previous owner Tom Hicks simply couldn't pay the bills which has ZERO to do with the current team obviously and has happened in with other franchises in other sports as well.

Do they still owe Arod millions? I don't know and honestly who gives a shit, what the fuck does that even matter?

And how did they come up with the money for Yu? Probably out of the pockets of their CURRENT ownership, dumbass. The same Ownership/Management team who had the knowledge and ability to gauge how good of a player he really was and paid enough to ensure he became a Ranger. And now they have an All-Star in his rookie season with big time upside.




Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: Grape Ape on July 10, 2012, 08:03:17 AM
Rangers got their money from the lucrative TV deal they signed.  I'm not going to search for links but I'm almost positive that's it.

They don't owe ARod any more money.  When he opted out of his contract, that ended the subsidy Texas was paying NY.   Before that, NY was "only" paying 16M of his  25M, which was a bargain at the time.

Darvish's value vs. total paid cannot be determined after half a season.   He has pitched well, but Japanese pitchers tend to have their best years in the beginning, when the league has not adjusted to them.  His 4.6 BB/9 rate is high, and he'll have to get that under control if he's going to have continued success.

The Rangers and the Yankees are the best teams in the AL, maybe all of baseball.   Both should be going all out for Hamels/Greinke.


Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: njflex on July 10, 2012, 08:28:27 AM
Rangers got their money from the lucrative TV deal they signed.  I'm not going to search for links but I'm almost positive that's it.

They don't owe ARod any more money.  When he opted out of his contract, that ended the subsidy Texas was paying NY.   Before that, NY was "only" paying 16M of his  25M, which was a bargain at the time.

Darvish's value vs. total paid cannot be determined after half a season.   He has pitched well, but Japanese pitchers tend to have their best years in the beginning, when the league has not adjusted to them.  His 4.6 BB/9 rate is high, and he'll have to get that under control if he's going to have continued success.

The Rangers and the Yankees are the best teams in the AL, maybe all of baseball.   Both should be going all out for Hamels/Greinke.
AGREE WITH GRIENKE/HAMELS IN A HEARTBEAT,,,


Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: 2ND COMING on July 10, 2012, 01:02:23 PM
Did the MLB put money in THIS current team? No. Maybe the team from 3 years ago when the previous owner Tom Hicks simply couldn't pay the bills which has ZERO to do with the current team obviously and has happened in with other franchises in other sports as well.

Do they still owe Arod millions? I don't know and honestly who gives a shit, what the fuck does that even matter?

And how did they come up with the money for Yu? Probably out of the pockets of their CURRENT ownership, dumbass. The same Ownership/Management team who had the knowledge and ability to gauge how good of a player he really was and paid enough to ensure he became a Ranger. And now they have an All-Star in his rookie season with big time upside.




Those are rhetorical questions, btw.


Sarcasm is not perceived well over the internet.

Calm down there, killer.


Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: Grape Ape on July 10, 2012, 03:21:51 PM
Actually, somehow I missed the dumbass part, probably because I was working.  But, I agree.  Poly - settle down - we have a good group here.  But I also hope you post - the more baseball discussion, the better.


Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: 2ND COMING on July 10, 2012, 03:35:28 PM
He is the quintessential random who posts here once a year and tells us how totally rad his team is. I had no choice but to pounce.


Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: Option D on July 10, 2012, 03:44:07 PM
He is the quintessential random who posts here once a year and tells us how totally rad his team is. I had no choice but to pounce.

Who you got in the WS....Yanks and Pirates?


Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: 2ND COMING on July 10, 2012, 03:56:22 PM
Who you got in the WS....Yanks and Pirates?

Serious question? Too early to tell, ask me in september.

But..who's ever staff gets hot and at the same time can get timly hits. Yeah, them.  ;D

Pretty cool to see the pirates in 1st though.


Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: Option D on July 10, 2012, 04:22:25 PM
Serious question? Too early to tell, ask me in september.

But..who's ever staff gets hot and at the same time can get timly hits. Yeah, them.  ;D

Pretty cool to see the pirates in 1st though.

lol i was joking.. I like to see the pirates up there too


Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: polychronopolous on July 10, 2012, 04:28:14 PM
Actually, somehow I missed the dumbass part, probably because I was working.  But, I agree.  Poly - settle down - we have a good group here.  But I also hope you post - the more baseball discussion, the better.

Fair enough and I respect this forum, trust me. It just rubs me the wrong way when a team that has GREAT management in place now is still is being mocked for the HORRIBLE ownership from a few years back which they had zero connection with. The whole town hated Tom Hicks.

That and I didn't think that what he said was all that funny or entertaining or clever but I apologize if I disrespected anyone on here.

He is the quintessential random who posts here once a year and tells us how totally rad his team is. I had no choice but to pounce.

Okay bro, you "win." I'll keep way  ::)


Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: 2ND COMING on July 10, 2012, 04:48:22 PM
Leave now and never return.

 ::)

You don't have to get all prissy, man. There was a misunderstanding, its over.

E-Shake?


Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: polychronopolous on July 10, 2012, 05:00:15 PM
Leave now and never return.

 ::)

You don't have to get all prissy, man. There was a misunderstanding, its over.

E-Shake?


Sounds good. E-Shake accepted.

I know the Texas Rangers up and down, backwards and forwards but I'll be the first to admit I know very little about other teams in baseball except for the big stars so my ability to discuss baseball beyond the home team is pretty limited. Just being real with everyone on here.



Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: 2ND COMING on July 10, 2012, 05:10:53 PM
Sounds good. E-Shake accepted.

I know the Texas Rangers up and down, backwards and forwards but I'll be the first to admit I know very little about other teams in baseball except for the big stars so my ability to discuss baseball beyond the home team is pretty limited. Just being real with everyone on here.



Good stuff.

You know texas better than i so i'll ask - are they going to squander another opportunity to win a title this year?


Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: 2ND COMING on July 10, 2012, 05:15:49 PM
Ok, i realise that was a loaded question. My fault. Heres a better question, are they going to give josh a long term deal.?


Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: Grape Ape on July 10, 2012, 06:31:22 PM
Ok, i realise that was a loaded question. My fault. Heres a better question, are they going to give josh a long term deal.?

It will be interesting to see if there are relapse clauses in the contract.


Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: polychronopolous on July 10, 2012, 06:47:38 PM
Ok, i realise that was a loaded question. My fault. Heres a better question, are they going to give josh a long term deal.?

I think they have a great shot but from a competitive stand point it's not a lock by any stretch. Josh certainly has alot of comfort in DFW, and why wouldn't he? His fans and teammates obviously adore him. It's been said that him and Ron Washington will sit together alone often and discuss their past drug issues and how they are coping and getting by. I am sure this brings Josh alot of comfort too, he has alot of respect for his coach I would assume.

My gut feeling is that, in the end, he will not accept a "hometown discount" unless the money is pretty negligible. His wife seems to be very religious and seems to have an interest in using her resources to help others. She has been asked about the contract situation and it looks like the money and how she can use it to help others in need will weigh extremely heavy in this whole process. Basically I read that as whoever brings the most money to the table will probably end up landing Hamilton's next contract.


Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: garebear on July 10, 2012, 07:43:07 PM
Since Holliday knocked in Furcal, and the American League was scoreless, I think it's safe to say that the Cardinals won the All Star Game this year.


Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: King Shizzo on July 11, 2012, 02:40:22 PM
It will be interesting to see if there are relapse clauses in the contract.
Sure they should give him a new deal.  With relapse clauses.


Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: Grape Ape on July 11, 2012, 02:52:37 PM
Sure they should give him a new deal.  With relapse clauses.

I think they will.  But there might be another team out them who wants him on their team so bad, they may be willing to forego it to land him.


Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: Option D on July 12, 2012, 06:23:47 AM
Since Holliday knocked in Furcal, and the American League was scoreless, I think it's safe to say that the Cardinals won the All Star Game this year.

SF Giants


Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: Grape Ape on July 12, 2012, 07:42:51 AM
Baseball is about to get fun - we're entering the period where we get a real idea of what these teams are.


Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: CalvinH on July 25, 2012, 04:07:49 AM
Arod out 6-8 weeks.


Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: Grape Ape on July 25, 2012, 05:45:06 AM
Arod out 6-8 weeks.

He will be well rested for the playoffs.   Yankees will be fine until then.


Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: Soul Crusher on July 25, 2012, 05:54:14 PM
He will be well rested for the playoffs.   Yankees will be fine until then.

come on man A Rod is a hot mess.     we pay 30 million a year for him! 


Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: Grape Ape on July 25, 2012, 06:41:30 PM
come on man A Rod is a hot mess.     we pay 30 million a year for him! 

We knew that contract was going to suck.  Blame Levine and Co.

At least the $$ of the contract were front loaded, so that they Yankees could use the new stadium costs credits against it to avoid the luxury tax.



Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: njflex on July 26, 2012, 10:19:54 AM
come on man A Rod is a hot mess.     we pay 30 million a year for him! 
hasn't played full yr in over 4yrs yanks got played,,,i am big yankee fan and arod too but i'' take chavez/nunez/nix for a while...good bench this yr.


Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: Grape Ape on July 26, 2012, 10:43:32 AM
hasn't played full yr in over 4yrs yanks got played,,,i am big yankee fan and arod too but i'' take chavez/nunez/nix for a while...good bench this yr.

Yup.  I think we'll be fine, with a few bit pieces being added to get to the playoffs.

Would LOVE them to take a shot at Greinke though.


Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: njflex on July 26, 2012, 10:44:35 AM
Yup.  I think we'll be fine, with a few bit pieces being added to get to the playoffs.

Would LOVE them to take a shot at Greinke though.
HE TURNED THEM OFF BEFORE GOING TO BREWERS I THINK,,,HEADCASE...


Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: Grape Ape on July 26, 2012, 10:52:42 AM
HE TURNED THEM OFF BEFORE GOING TO BREWERS I THINK,,,HEADCASE...

Correct again.

He's got serious social anxiety disorders which the seemed to have fixed with medications.  He had mentioned early in KC not wanting to pitch in NY.   When he got sick of losing in KC, he was given permission from the team to meet with Cashman and express his desire to play there.

Yankees felt he was just saying that to get out of KC.


Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: njflex on July 26, 2012, 10:59:06 AM
Correct again.

He's got serious social anxiety disorders which the seemed to have fixed with medications.  He had mentioned early in KC not wanting to pitch in NY.   When he got sick of losing in KC, he was given permission from the team to meet with Cashman and express his desire to play there.

Yankees felt he was just saying that to get out of KC.
I TAKE HIM,,,,HAMELS TOO $$$$ WANTS PAYDAY,,,CLIFF LEE IS HAVING BAD YR BUT I LOVE HIS STUFF TOO LATE NOW HE'S GETTING OLDER AND PHILLY HAS HIM LOCKED UP,,,


Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: Grape Ape on July 26, 2012, 11:16:54 AM
I TAKE HIM,,,,HAMELS TOO $$$$ WANTS PAYDAY,,,CLIFF LEE IS HAVING BAD YR BUT I LOVE HIS STUFF TOO LATE NOW HE'S GETTING OLDER AND PHILLY HAS HIM LOCKED UP,,,

Hamels got his payday yesterday.   6/144!

Lee only if Philly eats half the money -agreed.   Greinke's the man.  Or Josh Johnson from FLA, but Texas will grab one of these guys.

By the way, let me share my favorite two Yankee blogs:  riveraveblues.com and yankees.lhblogs.com    good stuff there.


Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: njflex on July 26, 2012, 12:23:53 PM
Hamels got his payday yesterday.   6/144!

Lee only if Philly eats half the money -agreed.   Greinke's the man.  Or Josh Johnson from FLA, but Texas will grab one of these guys.

By the way, let me share my favorite two Yankee blogs:  riveraveblues.com and yankees.lhblogs.com    good stuff there.
THANX...


Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: King Shizzo on July 26, 2012, 02:16:55 PM
come on man A Rod is a hot mess.     we pay 30 million a year for him! 
He was always all roids.  He is naturally a .275-280 hitter at about 25-30 HRs and 80-95 rbi's.  The Yankees paid for the juiced, Texas Arod. 


Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: Grape Ape on July 26, 2012, 02:35:29 PM
He was always all roids.  He is naturally a .275-280 hitter at about 25-30 HRs and 80-95 rbi's.  The Yankees paid for the juiced, Texas Arod. 

They got the ARod they thought they would from 2004-2009.  He was elite.


Lol at your guessing numbers.



Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: King Shizzo on July 26, 2012, 02:45:12 PM
They got the ARod they thought they would from 2004-2009.  He was elite.


Lol at your guessing numbers.


Yes, but what year did he hold that steroids press conference?  I guarantee you that he took steroids all the way up until he had that press conference.  He lied when he said that he only used in Texas.


Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: Grape Ape on July 26, 2012, 05:44:52 PM
Yes, but what year did he hold that steroids press conference?  I guarantee you that he took steroids all the way up until he had that press conference.  He lied when he said that he only used in Texas.

I assume every player is on steroids.

Except Mariano Rivera and Jeter.

Mariano's power is derived from aliens, while Jeter's is from a steady supply of new pussy.   Notice how bad he was when his relationship with Minka Kelly got serious.


Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: Grape Ape on July 27, 2012, 06:13:41 PM
Greinke to Anaheim.  Incredible pitching staff on that team.


Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: funk51 on July 31, 2012, 12:34:28 PM
phillies having a yard sale victorino to the dodgers and hunter pence to the giants courtesy of giant scout pat burrell.


Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: UPINTHEMGUTS on September 05, 2012, 08:05:37 AM
ORIOLES!!!!!


BELIEVE THE HYPE!!!!


Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: funk51 on September 05, 2012, 10:51:42 AM
ORIOLES!!!!!


BELIEVE THE HYPE!!!!
glad to see it. ;D


Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: UPINTHEMGUTS on September 05, 2012, 11:51:50 AM
I may be a little overzealous but c'mon.......15 straight losing seasons??

The city of Baltimore is losing their mind right now with the success they're having. This upcoming 4 game series against the Yankess in Baltimore is going to be HUGE.


Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: Option D on September 05, 2012, 12:23:54 PM
I may be a little overzealous but c'mon.......15 straight losing seasons??

The city of Baltimore is losing their mind right now with the success they're having. This upcoming 4 game series against the Yankess in Baltimore is going to be HUGE.

Cant wait for that one... Gonna Make or Break the season


Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: UPINTHEMGUTS on September 05, 2012, 12:30:17 PM
Cant wait for that one... Gonna Make or Break the season

You're a Yankees fan, right? Girardi melted down hard the other night, huh?


Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: Option D on September 05, 2012, 12:32:34 PM
You're a Yankees fan, right? Girardi melted down hard the other night, huh?

You bite your tounge... bite your damn tounge right now.... Im a Dodgers Fan...
I just want to see the Yankees get destroyed


Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: UPINTHEMGUTS on September 05, 2012, 12:35:37 PM
You bite your tounge... bite your damn tounge right now.... Im a Dodgers Fan...
I just want to see the Yankees get destroyed

My bad...sorry buddy. It's bitten.


Glad to hear you the feel the same as I do about the Yankees. I loved watching Girardi acting like a bitch to the ump.


Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: Option D on September 05, 2012, 12:52:26 PM
My bad...sorry buddy. It's bitten.


Glad to hear you the feel the same as I do about the Yankees. I loved watching Girardi acting like a bitch to the ump.

I never liked Joe.. Fake tough guy turns bitch when the chips are down


Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: Grape Ape on September 13, 2012, 11:33:00 AM
The Orioles are certainly making the AL East fun.....


Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: CalvinH on September 17, 2012, 04:42:54 AM
Went to the Yankee game yesterday :)


Title: Re: MLB talk.
Post by: njflex on September 17, 2012, 06:41:35 AM
Went to the Yankee game yesterday :)
8)..there getting there to 500 ball 2nd half  ???....wish they were cruising in instead of fighting.