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Title: When Food Stamps & Welfare stop.
Post by: Soul Crusher on August 16, 2011, 07:02:22 AM
Title: Re: When Food Stamps & Welfare stop.
Post by: kh300 on August 16, 2011, 07:07:08 AM
your getting your shit handed to you for free, and its somebody elses fault your kids are hungry? Unreal how you can be a complete bum in this country and get treated like fucking royalty.
Title: Re: When Food Stamps & Welfare stop.
Post by: Soul Crusher on August 16, 2011, 07:08:57 AM
your getting your shit handed to you for free, and its somebody elses fault your kids are hungry? Unreal how you can be a complete bum in this country and get treated like fucking royalty.

Like I keep saying - we need work farms for these people and put their lazy asses to work.  Those women pop out kids like a pez dispenser and the baby daddy in state prison for thugging up the hood.   


The only thing that will work is putting these fools in the hot sweltering heat with basic hand tools and farm equipment and teach them how to grow food and start getting a work ethic. 
Title: Re: When Food Stamps & Welfare stop.
Post by: Marty Champions on August 16, 2011, 07:16:04 AM
haww shit she got dat cansa
Title: Re: When Food Stamps & Welfare stop.
Post by: makaveli25 on August 16, 2011, 07:16:41 AM
Ahahahahahahahahahahah Shit just got real son!  8)
Title: Re: When Food Stamps & Welfare stop.
Post by: Soul Crusher on August 16, 2011, 07:22:31 AM
Why are we supporting these vermin and not putting them to work for 12 hours a day? 

Title: Re: When Food Stamps & Welfare stop.
Post by: Dr Dutch on August 16, 2011, 07:23:51 AM
Like I keep saying - we need work farms for these people and put their lazy asses to work.  Those women pop out kids like a pez dispenser and the baby daddy in state prison for thugging up the hood.   


The only thing that will work is putting these fools in the hot sweltering heat with basic hand tools and farm equipment and teach them how to grow food and start getting a work ethic. 
I will refrain from a Dutch Liberal Social-democratic answer....
Title: Re: When Food Stamps & Welfare stop.
Post by: Soul Crusher on August 16, 2011, 07:28:47 AM
Screaming drill sergeants would give motivational screams and insults to speed up the process.

Truth.   I would volunteer for that. 

Title: Re: When Food Stamps & Welfare stop.
Post by: garebear on August 16, 2011, 07:30:59 AM
Why are we supporting these vermin and not putting them to work for 12 hours a day? 


How many hours do you work a day? I'll bet you're on assistance now.

Hint: Posting about lazy people all day on a bodybuilding message board does not qualify as 'work'.

And that brings me to another point - when do you work out?

Do you do sets in between posts?

Title: Re: When Food Stamps & Welfare stop.
Post by: Deicide on August 16, 2011, 07:31:35 AM
Like I keep saying - we need work farms for these people and put their lazy asses to work.  Those women pop out kids like a pez dispenser and the baby daddy in state prison for thugging up the hood.   


The only thing that will work is putting these fools in the hot sweltering heat with basic hand tools and farm equipment and teach them how to grow food and start getting a work ethic. 

Incredible...but we have taught these people to be dependent on government...I am not sure how to unwean them off it by now and I fear violence will be the result... :-\
Title: Re: When Food Stamps & Welfare stop.
Post by: makaveli25 on August 16, 2011, 07:34:05 AM
Lazy ass porch monkeys. They think everything in life is owed to them. They want free food, free money, free housing, free cellphones, free health care they're leaches on society. Nasty terrible people. You can't even walk into their neighberhood without every #### face basterd giving you the "staredown".
My friends have an appartment that is in the ghetto. I carry a huge folding knife on me when I go over there. You never no when one of these ghetto goblin shit birds is gonna start some bullshit. I would slice the shit out of one of them. My friends can't even walk down to the corner store without some crackhead shitstain comeing to beg for money. I never feel bad anymore when I turn on the news and see one of them got shot. Guess why it's their own people doing the shootings. They can't even get along with eachother. They rape and murder eachother!

One of my friends who lives at the appartment is a really pretty petite girl. We have to always worry that one of the basterds is gonna try something, or say something. My friends aren't as paranoid as me. I'm talking them in to getting a nice 12 gauge pump and a few other weapons to keep around. They should have a lead pipe or baseball bat in the car. The girl should have some kind of pepper spray or knife something.
Title: Re: When Food Stamps & Welfare stop.
Post by: The True Adonis on August 16, 2011, 07:36:50 AM
Why are Republicans against abortions?
Title: Re: When Food Stamps & Welfare stop.
Post by: The True Adonis on August 16, 2011, 07:38:08 AM
Incredible...but we have taught these people to be dependent on government...I am not sure how to unwean them off it by now and I fear violence will be the result... :-\
How many loans from the Government have you taken out for your "schooling"?
Title: Re: When Food Stamps & Welfare stop.
Post by: dr.chimps on August 16, 2011, 07:38:12 AM
How many hours do you work a day? I'll bet you're on assistance now.

Hint: Posting about lazy people all day on a bodybuilding message board does not qualify as 'work'.

And that brings me to another point - when do you work out?

Do you do sets in between posts?
He's always hard at work, neglecting his pretend law practice. Hard to see how he stays in business.  ::)
Title: Re: When Food Stamps & Welfare stop.
Post by: makaveli25 on August 16, 2011, 07:38:27 AM
Why are Republicans against abortions?

To be honest I'm not anymore. A lot of republicans are christians that's why.
Title: Re: When Food Stamps & Welfare stop.
Post by: makaveli25 on August 16, 2011, 07:39:36 AM
How many loans from the Government have you taken out for your "schooling"?

So what if he did. He will get a job with that schooling and add back to the economy. When you give people free money, free food how do they contribute anything to the economy?
Title: Re: When Food Stamps & Welfare stop.
Post by: The True Adonis on August 16, 2011, 07:40:31 AM
So what if he did. He will get a job with that schooling and add back to the economy. When you give people free money, free food how do they contribute anything to the economy?
He`s nearly 36 years old and has never had a job outside of the University system.  :-\
Title: Re: When Food Stamps & Welfare stop.
Post by: Soul Crusher on August 16, 2011, 07:40:40 AM
We are taking money from people who bust their ass and go to work to pay for this shit?  

Oh hell no.  we should demand these lazy wastes of life either work or starve.  
Title: Re: When Food Stamps & Welfare stop.
Post by: makaveli25 on August 16, 2011, 07:40:49 AM
How many loans from the Government have you taken out for your "schooling"?

Why is it so hard for you to see that liberalism is killing this country. This video clip is a great example! I thought you were some kind of genious.
Title: Re: When Food Stamps & Welfare stop.
Post by: Schmoff on August 16, 2011, 07:40:59 AM
all monkeys!!!  :-X :-X

and they are the people who vote our monkey president, no wonder this country's economy collapsed and degraded

 
Title: Re: When Food Stamps & Welfare stop.
Post by: Deicide on August 16, 2011, 07:41:15 AM
How many loans from the Government have you taken out for your "schooling"?

ZERO and damn proud of it; all from private sources and all paid off. ;)
Title: Re: When Food Stamps & Welfare stop.
Post by: The True Adonis on August 16, 2011, 07:41:39 AM
We are taking money from people who bust their ass and go to work to pay for this shit?  

Oh hell no.  we should demand these lazy wastes of life either work or starve.  
Why not spend a little money encouraging Abortions and providing them.  Isn`t this a better solution in the long run?
Title: Re: When Food Stamps & Welfare stop.
Post by: Deicide on August 16, 2011, 07:42:10 AM
He's always hard at work, neglecting his pretend law practice. Hard to see how he stays in business.  ::)

Hey, dr. why don't you offer a solution instead of sniping, huh?
Title: Re: When Food Stamps & Welfare stop.
Post by: Soul Crusher on August 16, 2011, 07:42:14 AM
ZERO and damn proud of it; all from private sources and all paid off. ;)

What TA wont tell you is that he lives off an inheritance.  


Regardless - someone please tell me why taxpayers need to keep paying for this shit?  
Title: Re: When Food Stamps & Welfare stop.
Post by: The True Adonis on August 16, 2011, 07:42:39 AM
ZERO and damn proud of it; all from private sources and all paid off. ;)
::)
I have a bridge in Thailand to sell you.
Title: Re: When Food Stamps & Welfare stop.
Post by: Palpatine Q on August 16, 2011, 07:43:12 AM
 LOL @ people thinking its just blacks on welfare
Title: Re: When Food Stamps & Welfare stop.
Post by: kh300 on August 16, 2011, 07:45:14 AM
How many loans from the Government have you taken out for your "schooling"?

you mean the high interest loans he had to pay back? Then while paying those back he had to pay extra so the savages can get more free shit so they can sit at home and get high.
Title: Re: When Food Stamps & Welfare stop.
Post by: makaveli25 on August 16, 2011, 07:45:29 AM
LOL @ people thinking its just blacks on welfare

It's not but black people percentage wise have been a huge drain on taxpayers. Between going to jail, welfare, foodstamps, all the goverement housing they add a pretty good dent!
Title: Re: When Food Stamps & Welfare stop.
Post by: The True Adonis on August 16, 2011, 07:45:38 AM
LOL @ people thinking its just blacks on welfare
You are going to hurt the white people feelings with this!  Let them have their unemployment checks and their disability!
Title: Re: When Food Stamps & Welfare stop.
Post by: dr.chimps on August 16, 2011, 07:46:04 AM
Hey, dr. why don't you offer a solution instead of sniping, huh?
You mean a solution to this guy's never-ending degenerate racism, fear mongering, juvenile insults and school yard taunts!? Yeah, I'll get right on it.  
Title: Re: When Food Stamps & Welfare stop.
Post by: makaveli25 on August 16, 2011, 07:48:21 AM
You are going to hurt the white people feelings with this!  Let them have their unemployment checks and their disability!

Unemployment, Isn't Obama the one that kept extending unemployment benefits.
Title: Re: When Food Stamps & Welfare stop.
Post by: Deicide on August 16, 2011, 07:49:39 AM
::)
I have a bridge in Thailand to sell you.

Wow, that's relevant... ::)
Title: Re: When Food Stamps & Welfare stop.
Post by: The True Adonis on August 16, 2011, 07:50:01 AM
Unemployment, Isn't Obama the one that kept extending unemployment benefits.
White people gots to eat too you know.
Title: Re: When Food Stamps & Welfare stop.
Post by: The True Adonis on August 16, 2011, 07:51:04 AM
Wow, that's relevant... ::)
Indeed it is my permanent apartment dwelling friend.
Title: Re: When Food Stamps & Welfare stop.
Post by: Deicide on August 16, 2011, 07:51:35 AM
You mean a solution to this guy's never-ending degenerate racism, fear mongering, juvenile insults and school yard taunts!? Yeah, I'll get right on it.  

No, for the economic collapse that is upon us, the failure and corruption of government and the seeming lack of solutions. You're a smart guy; what's the solution?
Title: Re: When Food Stamps & Welfare stop.
Post by: G_Thang on August 16, 2011, 07:55:03 AM
LOL @ people thinking its just blacks on welfare

welfare and food stamps.

raw numbers = whites
% = blacks and mexicans
Title: Re: When Food Stamps & Welfare stop.
Post by: Soul Crusher on August 16, 2011, 07:55:10 AM
No, for the economic collapse that is upon us, the failure and corruption of government and the seeming lack of solutions. You're a smart guy; what's the solution?

Tax the rich, more welfare, increase the minimum wage for $50 a hour, etc of course!  

You know, the policies the liberals always scream about and always make the problem worse?    
Title: Re: When Food Stamps & Welfare stop.
Post by: Deicide on August 16, 2011, 07:55:54 AM
welfare and food stamps.

raw numbers = whites
% = blacks and mexicans

I never look at this from a race perspective, it's about policy and philosophy, not race.
Title: Re: When Food Stamps & Welfare stop.
Post by: The True Adonis on August 16, 2011, 07:57:07 AM
No, for the economic collapse that is upon us, the failure and corruption of government and the seeming lack of solutions. You're a smart guy; what's the solution?
Poop Paul is the solution and the Free Market.  The same Free Market that is going to wipe its ass with him as soon as they ignore him because he is incredibly bad for ratings, hence a loss of profit for the News stations.

I can`t wait.  Long live the Free Market!
Title: Re: When Food Stamps & Welfare stop.
Post by: G_Thang on August 16, 2011, 07:57:23 AM
I never look at this from a race perspective, it's about policy and philosophy, not race.



if it feeds kids and covers their health care, i'll a % or 2 more in taxes.
Title: Re: When Food Stamps & Welfare stop.
Post by: Deicide on August 16, 2011, 07:58:22 AM
Poop Paul is the solution and the Free Market.  The same Free Market that is going to wipe its ass with him as soon as they ignore him because he is incredibly bad for ratings, hence a loss of profit for the News stations.

I can`t wait.  Long live the Free Market!

Corporatism is not capitalism.
Title: Re: When Food Stamps & Welfare stop.
Post by: Soul Crusher on August 16, 2011, 07:59:23 AM


if it feeds kids and covers their health care, i'll a % or 2 more in taxes.

You are not feeding anyone.  You are transfering wealth and productivity to lazy people who breed like rats.  Sure people who cant help themselves should be helped, but not the able bodied leeches and parasites like in that video.   
Title: Re: When Food Stamps & Welfare stop.
Post by: Deicide on August 16, 2011, 07:59:56 AM


if it feeds kids and covers their health care, i'll a % or 2 more in taxes.

That is no solution.
Title: Re: When Food Stamps & Welfare stop.
Post by: The True Adonis on August 16, 2011, 08:01:02 AM
Corporatism is not capitalism.
So you mean to tell me if Ron Poop is bad for profits and Fox News decides to ignore him, ban him permanently they shouldn`t be able to do so?  Why do you want to limit their Free Market freedom to not make a profit?  Why do you want to force them to air someone that is only a detriment to their Business Model?

Title: Re: When Food Stamps & Welfare stop.
Post by: Deicide on August 16, 2011, 08:04:37 AM
So you mean to tell me if Ron Poop is bad for profits and Fox News decides to ignore him, ban him permanently they shouldn`t be able to do so?  Why do you want to limit their Free Market freedom to not make a profit?  Why do you want to force them to air someone that is only a detriment to their Business Model?



Maybe you should bake a cake or prepare a stew or do whatever you usually do; this is getting tiresome Adam.
Title: Re: When Food Stamps & Welfare stop.
Post by: G_Thang on August 16, 2011, 08:06:12 AM
That is no solution.

there won't ever been one unless we form the united federation of planets.

next?

lets try global hunger while we are at it.
Title: Re: When Food Stamps & Welfare stop.
Post by: The True Adonis on August 16, 2011, 08:09:43 AM
Maybe you should bake a cake or prepare a stew or do whatever you usually do; this is getting tiresome Adam.
Why is it tiresome?  You whine like a little girl when The Cold Hand of the Free Market shuts its door on Ron Poop and claim they are being unfair.  They aren`t.  They want to make the most money as they can, retain their viewership and keep picking up the older demographic.  Ron Paul is useless when it comes to the Free Market Media.  Why should they even bother with him?
Title: Re: When Food Stamps & Welfare stop.
Post by: The True Adonis on August 16, 2011, 08:10:52 AM
there won't ever been one unless we form the united federation of planets.

next?

lets try global hunger while we are at it.
Ron Poop cured cancer though.
Title: Re: When Food Stamps & Welfare stop.
Post by: dr.chimps on August 16, 2011, 10:13:33 AM
No, for the economic collapse that is upon us, the failure and corruption of government and the seeming lack of solutions. You're a smart guy; what's the solution?
At this point, I think there isn't one. The time to have addressed these problems was years, if not decades, ago. Governments will continue to find wriggle room for their budgets, here and there, but the time to make any real structural adjustments are long past, and the control of such institutions are now firmly in the hands of people who want no change to the ever-growing political-economic inequalities.
Title: Re: When Food Stamps & Welfare stop.
Post by: The Showstoppa on August 16, 2011, 10:23:48 AM
Why not spend a little money encouraging Abortions and providing them.  Isn`t this a better solution in the long run?

Have you read "Super Freakanomics" by Levitt and Dubner?  It touches on this very subject.  Excellent read, just like the first "Freakanomics" book.
Title: Re: When Food Stamps & Welfare stop.
Post by: Coach is Back! on August 16, 2011, 10:38:36 AM
TA likes to find the easy way out by murdering instead of encouraging. This dolt doesn't realize that kids could be taught at a young age to be a productive part of socieity that in turn would ADD to the economy. But then again TA would qualify as the poster child for abortion.
Title: Re: When Food Stamps & Welfare stop.
Post by: The Showstoppa on August 16, 2011, 10:41:06 AM
TA likes to find the easy way out by murdering instead of encouraging. This dolt doesn't realize that kids could be taught at a young age to be a productive part of socieity that in turn would ADD to the economy. But then again TA would qualify as the poster child for abortion.

I don't know Coach....I saw a few in Durham today who, even at the age of 16, needed to be aborted now.
Title: Re: When Food Stamps & Welfare stop.
Post by: Dr Dutch on August 16, 2011, 10:44:51 AM
Nobody is ever too old to be aborted post-partum....
Title: Re: When Food Stamps & Welfare stop.
Post by: garebear on August 16, 2011, 12:54:08 PM
TA likes to find the easy way out by murdering instead of encouraging. This dolt doesn't realize that kids could be taught at a young age to be a productive part of socieity that in turn would ADD to the economy. But then again TA would qualify as the poster child for abortion.
You sure seem to know him well.

Is he the first guy you felt close enough to to let lick your butthole or what?
Title: Re: When Food Stamps & Welfare stop.
Post by: Nirvana on August 16, 2011, 01:08:37 PM
fuck yeah I love abortion
Title: Re: When Food Stamps & Welfare stop.
Post by: WillRiker on August 16, 2011, 01:16:50 PM
Maybe this à shock but people do get unemployed involuntary...

Most Americans are pretty narrow minded. Raising taxes is à no no.. THE rich thank you for that. Just like at your infrastructure, education system and health care. It sucks in comparison with your wealth. Result of taxes being too low for two decades. But hey, just cut government spending even more. It Will result in more poverty, bad housing, more crimes and even worse infrastructure.

Unfortunately, The tea party believe that lower taxes is the holy grail... Stupid people do not realize that some very rich people support the tea party. Why, they directly benefit from lower taxes. THE average American however does not!
Title: Re: When Food Stamps & Welfare stop.
Post by: Parker on August 16, 2011, 01:17:18 PM
Lazy ass porch monkeys. They think everything in life is owed to them. They want free food, free money, free housing, free cellphones, free health care they're leaches on society. Nasty terrible people. You can't even walk into their neighberhood without every #### face basterd giving you the "staredown".
My friends have an appartment that is in the ghetto. I carry a huge folding knife on me when I go over there. You never no when one of these ghetto goblin shit birds is gonna start some bullshit. I would slice the shit out of one of them. My friends can't even walk down to the corner store without some crackhead shitstain comeing to beg for money. I never feel bad anymore when I turn on the news and see one of them got shot. Guess why it's their own people doing the shootings. They can't even get along with eachother. They rape and murder eachother!

One of my friends who lives at the appartment is a really pretty petite girl. We have to always worry that
 one of the basterds is gonna try something, or say something. My friends aren't as paranoid as me. I'm talking them in to getting a nice 12 gauge pump and a few other weapons to keep around. They should have a lead pipe or baseball bat in the car. The girl should have some kind of pepper spray or knife something.

Why the hell is she living in the damn ghetto?
I've never lived in the ghetto, and never want to.
Unless she is living in a gentrified part of town, who lives in those places other than people who either can't afford to move out, or want to be among the "hoods", you know, get the feel of the "people".

Not saying that there aren't any good people that live there, but really what young, petite (can we assume white?) woman lives in the ghetto---unless she has an addiction?



***BTW, look for more and more people to be on "disability". It's the new term. These people have been o disability for years, yet steal from stores and others, yet can't work. WTH are you disabled from---laziness?
Title: Re: When Food Stamps & Welfare stop.
Post by: Tre on August 16, 2011, 01:33:15 PM
Those women pop out kids like a pez dispenser...

This is a tax scam put in place and maintained primarily by the churches - the more kids you have, the less income tax you pay.  Organized religion for the win.

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...and the baby daddy in state prison for thugging up the hood.   

The only thing that will work is putting these fools in the hot sweltering heat with basic hand tools and farm equipment and teach them how to grow food and start getting a work ethic. 

YOU might want Blacks and Browns to be out working and earning an honest living, but this is NOT what the ultra-wealthy, decision-making Whites want. 

Even taking race/color completely out of the equation, at the end of the day, fewer incentives for an underclass uprising means less competition for the children from upper- and even middle-class homes.  So, whether we'll consciously admit it or not, we WANT there to be a permanent underclass, because that translates directly into greater opportunity for our descendants to thrive.  If there are only 100 kids applying for entrance to Stanford for 10 available slots, I like my kid's chances.  But if there 1000 qualified applicants for those same 10 slots, then her life just got more difficult.

Some people/Americans want their kids to have it as tough as they did, but a huge majority of us want our kids to have better lives than we.  That's a truism that cannot be ignored.
Title: Re: When Food Stamps & Welfare stop.
Post by: The Showstoppa on August 16, 2011, 01:35:15 PM
This is a tax scam put in place and maintained primarily by the churches - the more kids you have, the less income tax you pay.  Organized religion for the win.

YOU might want Blacks and Browns to be out working and earning an honest living, but this is NOT what the ultra-wealthy, decision-making Whites want. 

Even taking race/color completely out of the equation, at the end of the day, fewer incentives for an underclass uprising means less competition for the children from upper- and even middle-class homes.  So, whether we'll consciously admit it or not, we WANT there to be a permanent underclass, because that translates directly into greater opportunity for our descendants to thrive.  If there are only 100 kids applying for entrance to Stanford for 10 available slots, I like my kid's chances.  But if there 1000 qualified applicants for those same 10 slots, then her life just got more difficult.

Some people/Americans want their kids to have it as tough as they did, but a huge majority of us want our kids to have better lives than we.  That's a truism that cannot be ignored.


Where did you come across info regarding that?

and the rest of your post in spot on.
Title: Re: When Food Stamps & Welfare stop.
Post by: Irongrip400 on August 16, 2011, 01:36:51 PM
Maybe this à shock but people do get unemployed involuntary...

Most Americans are pretty narrow minded. Raising taxes is à no no.. THE rich thank you for that. Just like at your infrastructure, education system and health care. It sucks in comparison with your wealth. Result of taxes being too low for two decades. But hey, just cut government spending even more. It Will result in more poverty, bad housing, more crimes and even worse infrastructure.

Unfortunately, The tea party believe that lower taxes is the holy grail... Stupid people do not realize that some very rich people support the tea party. Why, they directly benefit from lower taxes. THE average American however does not!

What do you consider rich?  I think that the rich should be taxed a flat rate, and everyone else taxed the same percentage.  Unfortunately, I don't make enough to have a CPA hide my money through tax shelters, but I do make enough to be taxed over 30 percent last year, which was alot of money and makes me hate these welfare junkies, but I know that above me is some wealthy person who makes millions a year, and probably pays around the same amount, just not the same percentage.  I do, however, have more sympathy for the rich, because they at least create jobs, and put back into the economy.  The thing is, me, as a small business owner, if crunch time happens and the economy takes another shit, I will just lay people off, because I am not changing my lifestyle.  All of my monthlyt costs are fixed and can't be changed.
Title: Re: When Food Stamps & Welfare stop.
Post by: funk51 on August 16, 2011, 01:37:32 PM

;D
Title: Re: When Food Stamps & Welfare stop.
Post by: WillRiker on August 16, 2011, 01:49:09 PM
What do you consider rich?  I think that the rich should be taxed a flat rate, and everyone else taxed the same percentage.  Unfortunately, I don't make enough to have a CPA hide my money through tax shelters, but I do make enough to be taxed over 30 percent last year, which was alot of money and makes me hate these welfare junkies, but I know that above me is some wealthy person who makes millions a year, and probably pays around the same amount, just not the same percentage.  I do, however, have more sympathy for the rich, because they at least create jobs, and put back into the economy.  The thing is, me, as a small business owner, if crunch time happens and the economy takes another shit, I will just lay people off, because I am not changing my lifestyle.  All of my monthlyt costs are fixed and can't be changed.

You my friend, as a small business owner, create the most jobs. Not the  rich. They should be taxed more. But they have money and in the US that means lots of political influence.

Welfare junkies are aproblem, however only a small percentage of taxes go to these people.

Please be fair. Do you not want better education, infrastructure, housing, less crime.. Then the taxes should be raised. In the fifties and sixties, taxes where much higher. Economic growth was also higher. So more taxes does not mean less growth!

Title: Re: When Food Stamps & Welfare stop.
Post by: Tre on August 16, 2011, 02:05:46 PM
Where did you come across info regarding that?

and the rest of your post in spot on.

Goes without saying that religions have always sought control of their flocks.  In the old world, people had relatively little in terms of material possessions, so religions only needed to get your hearts and minds. "Have more kids, and make sure you raise them right by bringing them to OUR god"...

In the new world, though, and especially since the creation of 'America', people have more opportunity than ever to acquire material goods, which can very easily result in less interest in remaining part of a flock.  Think about the wealthiest people you know...how many of them would put church/God in the top 3 things they care about in life apart from their families?  And of those who do, how many are BUSINESSPEOPLE? 

Look at the way our tax code is set up.  Income tax is a major scam!  More 'dependents' means a greater reduction in taxable income when all the allowances are taken.  Every kid is an allowance, right?  People often wonder why there are so many tax preparation places in the heart of real ghetto neighborhoods.  Why do people with zero earned income file tax returns?  Because they're PAID to do so. 

The churches benefit from the same system, which is why they keep it in place.  Churches pay no property taxes, so that cost is borne by non-churchers.  The donations given to churches are not taxed either.  Church people argue that it's only after-tax income which is donated, but that's not entirely true, because the amount donated actually REDUCES that payer's tax burden because they get a dollar-for-dollar credit on their taxable income.  Given the community welfare performed by many churches, there is a justifiable basis for allowing them to pay no property taxes, but there are untold billions in donations that would've been taxed, but are not, meaning that the non-churchers end up paying more than their fair share.

As for the institutions themselves, I have NO PROBLEM with people donating money, however, by continuing to leverage a system that benefits only church people and leaving the rest of us to pay the tab for THEIR worship, this is a most unethical business practice being disguised as something else. 
Title: Re: When Food Stamps & Welfare stop.
Post by: MB on August 16, 2011, 02:11:34 PM
There will always be a lower class.  No matter how much you lower the bar or how much assistance you offer, they will still choose to do the wrong thing.  The scary part is that we cater to this group.  The truth is that you could give them all the tax incentives, free education, job training, etc. and very few will take advantage of it.  
Title: Re: When Food Stamps & Welfare stop.
Post by: Tre on August 16, 2011, 02:16:52 PM
There will always be a lower class.  No matter how much you lower the bar or how much assistance you offer, they will still choose to do the wrong thing.  The scary part is that we cater to this group.  The truth is that you could give them all the tax incentives, free education, job training, etc. and very few will take advantage of it.  

We don't *want* them to.

We - the non-underclass - give the really, really poor just enough to keep them from getting together and coming to kill us and steal all our shit. 
Title: Re: When Food Stamps & Welfare stop.
Post by: Muscleboy on August 16, 2011, 02:35:55 PM
We don't *want* them to.

We - the non-underclass - give the really, really poor just enough to keep them from getting together and coming to kill us and steal all our shit. 

Truth, without government assistance, people will do whatever they have to to eat.  Steal, kill, etc.
Title: Re: When Food Stamps & Welfare stop.
Post by: The Abdominal Snoman on August 16, 2011, 07:41:03 PM
there won't ever been one unless we form the united federation of planets.

next?

lets try global hunger while we are at it.

These people who would rather see more homeless and watch people starve are the same types of people who want to fight but don't want to get punched. Imagine 20-50 million more hungry homeless walking the streets of America. When a lot of the them are street smart beyond imagination. One, two or tens guns isn't going to protect your home and assets when you have to leave it and go to work. Cut off all funding to the poor and say goodbye to the middle class. It would be a war zone if the government turned their backs on the poor.
Title: Re: When Food Stamps & Welfare stop.
Post by: Rami on August 16, 2011, 07:43:39 PM
When it stops, you got to do what you got to do...

http://www.cnn.com/2011/CRIME/08/16/maryland.flash.mob/index.html?hpt=hp_t1
Title: Re: When Food Stamps & Welfare stop.
Post by: The Abdominal Snoman on August 16, 2011, 07:57:24 PM
When it stops, you got to do what you got to do...

http://www.cnn.com/2011/CRIME/08/16/maryland.flash.mob/index.html?hpt=hp_t1

Human nature for sure.
Title: Re: When Food Stamps & Welfare stop.
Post by: The Abdominal Snoman on August 16, 2011, 08:00:11 PM
What some super rich people do when the money stops coming in

http://www.suntimes.com/7100625-417/husband-of-real-housewives-star-found-dead-in-apparent-suicide.html
Title: Re: When Food Stamps & Welfare stop.
Post by: Natural Man on August 16, 2011, 08:59:23 PM
Why not spend a little money encouraging Abortions and providing them.  Isn`t this a better solution in the long run?
what part of they re having kids precisely to get money from the government didnt you understand -again- you genius?
Title: Re: When Food Stamps & Welfare stop.
Post by: claymore on August 16, 2011, 09:46:16 PM
Like I keep saying - we need work farms for these people and put their lazy asses to work.  Those women pop out kids like a pez dispenser and the baby daddy in state prison for thugging up the hood.   


The only thing that will work is putting these fools in the hot sweltering heat with basic hand tools and farm equipment and teach them how to grow food and start getting a work ethic. 

This ^^
Title: Re: When Food Stamps & Welfare stop.
Post by: The True Adonis on August 16, 2011, 09:54:16 PM
what part of they re having kids precisely to get money from the government didnt you understand -again- you genius?
The part where that is largely a myth.  Research TANF and how to qualify.  Having children on welfare is not a profitable venture whatsoever.

I agnize that you are unqualified at this level of discussion due to a perpetually rearing incompetence so my advice, which is always best adhered to, would be to move elsewhere perhaps to a kiddy fiddling forum, a place where you may know a thing or two about a thing or two.
Title: Re: When Food Stamps & Welfare stop.
Post by: The True Adonis on August 16, 2011, 09:57:44 PM
For the Mentally Lazy:


TANF sets forward the following work requirements necessary for benefits:
Recipients (with few exceptions) must work as soon as they are job ready or no later than two years after coming on assistance.

Single parents are required to participate in work activities for at least 30 hours per week. Two-parent families must participate in work activities 35 or 55 hours a week, depending upon circumstances.
Failure to participate in work requirements can result in a reduction or termination of benefits to the family.


States, in FY 2004, have to ensure that 50 percent of all families and 90 percent of two-parent families are participating in work activities. If a state reduces its caseload, without restricting eligibility, it can receive a caseload reduction credit. This credit reduces the minimum participation rates the state must achieve.
Title: Re: When Food Stamps & Welfare stop.
Post by: #1 Klaus fan on August 16, 2011, 09:59:34 PM
Whites are now slaves for the black. Do I sense irony?
Title: Re: When Food Stamps & Welfare stop.
Post by: The True Adonis on August 16, 2011, 10:00:59 PM
http://foodstampchallenge.typepad.com/

Congressman Chris Van Hollen Takes the Food Stamp Challenge
Congressman Van Hollen reflects on living on the Food Stamp Challenge for one week:

The Food Stamp Challenge brings home the struggle that many Americans face on a daily basis. It quickly focuses your mind and your stomach on just how little food $21 a week buys.  It also demonstrates that it is difficult, if not impossible, to eat a balanced diet on $21, especially fresh fruits and vegetables. I was feeling very cranky by the end of the week.  
Title: Re: When Food Stamps & Welfare stop.
Post by: The True Adonis on August 16, 2011, 10:03:09 PM
http://foodstampchallenge.typepad.com/my_weblog/2007/10/existing-on-foo.html

Existing on food stamps: Reporter Sarah Barr joins Chris Van Hollen in learning how to live on the bare minimum
The Sentinel
by Sarah Barr
Oct. 24, 2007
Earlier this week, I spilled half of a glass of milk.

It wasn't a lot, but I was disappointed, knowing that I couldn't just pour another glass to make up for what I had lost. I am currently on day five of the food stamp challenge, which asks participants to live for one week on the nation's average food stamp benefit of $21 - that's $3 per day, $1 per meal. I have carefully allotted my milk for the week and more just wasn't an option if I planned to have any for Saturday.

That is the crux of the challenge: to provide a small glimpse into the choices that people who use food stamps must make each day. And while I haven't been noticeably hungry yet, the tough choices people make are increasingly obvious.

The challenge got rolling last summer in Pennsylvania when the Greater Philadelphia Coalition Against Hunger asked local residents to commit to living on the amount of the average food stamp benefit. The Coalition credits a local food bank with the initial idea, but the most important point is that word spread quickly after a Philadelphia reporter wrote about his experience, said Ellen Vollinger, legal director for the Food Research and Action Center, a D.C.-based non-profit that has tracked the evolution of the challenge.

Various community groups then picked up on the idea after it was highlighted by FRAC and other organizations. When a group of Oregon hunger leaders challenged their governor, Democrat Ted Kulongoski, to participate, his acceptance drew national attention. Soon a bipartisan group of governors and congressional representatives from across the county was joining in.

Rep. Chris Van Hollen (D-Md.), who represents a large part of Montgomery County and a slice of Prince George's County, is among the newest crop of national leaders taking the challenge.

"It quickly focuses your mind and your stomach on just how little $21 a week pays," said Van Hollen on the third day of his challenge experience. The congressmen did his shopping in a Wheaton Giant and had so far spent only $16 - with green peas, lentils, beans, pre-sliced turkey, two tomatoes, an onion and bananas making up the bulk of his list - in order to give himself some wiggle room as the week draws to a close.

Van Hollen is completing the food stamp challenge in conjunction with the Jewish Council for Public Affairs, which included the challenge in their year of action to draw attention to hunger and poverty in the U.S.

"The reason you do it is to raise awareness about the inadequacy of the food stamp benefit," said Hadar Susskind, Washington director of the Council, an umbrella organization for 13 national and 125 local Jewish organizations.

The challenge coincides with congressional consideration of the Farm Bill, which includes the food stamp program, the minimum benefits of which have not been raised since the mid-1970s. The House of Representatives recently passed their version of the bill with language that is a little better, according to Susskind, and debate is now focused in the Senate.

"I just wanted to get a real-world sense of what it means to survive on the average food stamp allocation, just to get a sense of what people go through," said Van Hollen. Among the immediate lessons he reports are the limitations in food variety, the inability to shop in bulk and the difficulties of maintaining a nutritious diet.

From my end, the lessons have been similar. I'm sick of peanut butter, craving fresh vegetables and was frustrated by my options within the grocery store as I had to buy more than I needed of certain items, forcing me to neglect others. I don't need a full box of pasta for the week or a whole bag of rice, and that money could have gone to other items like vegetables.

Granted the challenge occurs in a vacuum, and if I were to live on this budget for more than seven days I would probably have a stock of certain items that I did not need to buy every week. However, the challenges of timing - and of the very adequacy of benefit - are quite real for actual food stamp recipients, said Vollinger.

Food banks around the country provide anecdotal reports that their client load increases at the end of each food stamp period, according to Vollinger. "That would suggest that while it's true that the program was designed to be a supplement, people don't have enough resources," she said. Furthermore, far more people are eligible for benefits than those that receive them.

In August, in Montgomery County, 24,720 individuals received food stamp benefits and statewide there were 332,353 recipients, according to the Maryland Department of Human Resources. Statistics from the U.S. Department of Agriculture indicate, however, that a scant majority -- 53 percent -- of those eligible in Maryland received benefits in 2004.

Other issues of timing have also illustrated the difficulties the current food stamp benefits present. I was originally assigned to begin my challenge the same day as Van Hollen. However, I started the day after because I was taking an important standardized test the previous morning and didn't want to deal with it yet. I had that choice - something the average food stamp recipient doesn't have.

I'm pretty confident I'll make it through the next three days. I still have, after all, half a dozen eggs, three apples, one yam, half a box of pasta, one quart of milk, six pieces of bread, six slices of cheese, half a bag of rice, four packs of instant noodles and half a jar of peanut butter.

Like I said, I haven't been extremely hungry, and while I know the diet isn't nutritious it's enough to keep me going. One more confession though.

Saturday is my last day, and I plan to quit as soon as I scarf down an early dinner so that I can go out with my older brother for his birthday. I'm willing to bet drinks and dinner (take two) are in order. The conclusion of my week spent on a food stamp diet will be a celebration.

Hardly a realistic end.
Title: Re: When Food Stamps & Welfare stop.
Post by: The True Adonis on August 16, 2011, 10:04:50 PM
So just to review.

Food Stamps= 21 dollars a week which is 3 dollars a day, or one dollar each meal.

I hope this helps. (I doubt that it will)
Title: Re: When Food Stamps & Welfare stop.
Post by: The True Adonis on August 16, 2011, 10:06:45 PM
Title: Re: When Food Stamps & Welfare stop.
Post by: tbombz on August 16, 2011, 10:09:48 PM
No, for the economic collapse that is upon us, the failure and corruption of government and the seeming lack of solutions. You're a smart guy; what's the solution?


the solution is this, and this alone:

one world government which enforces a minimum wage and working conditions suitable for a person to raise a small family with, worldwide environmental regulations, worldwide education system free to all that is primarily based around vocational education with only a small % allowed to enter into academic fields, and of course complete freedom for every human being on earth.


this will solve the jobs problem by way of making outsourcing obsolete, it will increase economic activity dramatically creating huge amounts of tax revenues to fund universal healthcare for all human beings, it will prevent the destruction of living conditions on earth, and it will allow for every human being to pursue their definition of happiness in whatever way they see fit.

its the closest we can come to ending poverty and suffering on the planet.



outside of that, if you want a solution for just america, we can revamp our educational system to focus on vocational ed working with business to promote specialization of the labor force creating a more profitable country for companies to manufacture their products in. we can enforce outsourcing regulations like the ones in germany that do not allow companies to remove existing jobs from the country (if the business wishes to open operations overseas they may do so but only if the jobs they create overseas are new jobs-not replacing the old workers).

these are just a few answers  
Title: Re: When Food Stamps & Welfare stop.
Post by: The True Adonis on August 16, 2011, 10:10:10 PM
Title: Re: When Food Stamps & Welfare stop.
Post by: The True Adonis on August 16, 2011, 10:11:37 PM
Title: Re: When Food Stamps & Welfare stop.
Post by: The True Adonis on August 16, 2011, 10:16:52 PM

the solution is this, and this alone:

one world government which enforces a minimum wage and working conditions suitable for a person to raise a small family with, worldwide environmental regulations, worldwide education system free to all that is primarily based around vocational education with only a small % allowed to enter into academic fields, and of course complete freedom for every human being on earth.


this will solve the jobs problem by way of making outsourcing obsolete, it will increase economic activity dramatically creating huge amounts of tax revenues to fund universal healthcare for all human beings, it will prevent the destruction of living conditions on earth, and it will allow for every human being to pursue their definition of happiness in whatever way they see fit.

its the closest we can come to ending poverty and suffering on the planet.



outside of that, if you want a solution for just america, we can revamp our educational system to focus on vocational ed working with business to promote specialization of the labor force creating a more profitable country for companies to manufacture their products in. we can enforce outsourcing regulations like the ones in germany that do not allow companies to remove existing jobs from the country (if the business wishes to open operations overseas they may do so but only if the jobs they create overseas are new jobs-not replacing the old workers).

these are just a few answers  
How about incentives for NOT having Children such as a zero percent Income Tax or reduced tax rate no more than 5-10 percent.  Overpopulation, competition for limited resources in the end will be the bane of all countries, no matter how mighty their military may be.

Abortions should also be encouraged along with Protection during sex/Birth control.  We do not need any more humans being born.  We have more than enough.
Title: Re: When Food Stamps & Welfare stop.
Post by: tbombz on August 16, 2011, 10:19:48 PM
How about incentives for NOT having Children such as a zero percent Income Tax or reduced tax rate no more than 5-10 percent.  Overpopulation, competition for limited resources in the end will be the bane of all countries, no matter how mighty their military may be.

Abortions should also be encouraged along with Protection during sex/Birth control.  We do not need any more humans being born.  We have more than enough.
  decreasing the work force decreases economic activity and decreases tax revenues.


this is true because the worlds resources are not spread out evenly among the masses, but is mostly held in the hands of the few, and those few mega wealthy persons do not let their resources enter into the economy unless its profitable for them to do so.



Title: Re: When Food Stamps & Welfare stop.
Post by: Parker on August 16, 2011, 11:40:08 PM
So just to review.

Food Stamps= 21 dollars a week which is 3 dollars a day, or one dollar each meal.

I hope this helps. (I doubt that it will)
And living in Montgomery is NOT cheap, there are virtually NO ghettoes, none whatsoever. It is one of the top 6 counties in the nations, and was #1 for a LONG time.  Cost of living was high when I lived there...High as a giraffe's ass.
Title: Re: When Food Stamps & Welfare stop.
Post by: Parker on August 16, 2011, 11:43:02 PM
We don't *want* them to.

We - the non-underclass - give the really, really poor just enough to keep them from getting together and coming to kill us and steal all our shit. 
People don't realize this...just when I'm about write you off, you come up with some brilliant point!
Title: Re: When Food Stamps & Welfare stop.
Post by: Nirvana on August 17, 2011, 05:20:00 AM
damn 3$ a day!

they're really living the dream and draining those hard working people who had their college paid for by mom and dad.  I don't see how anyone makes it
Title: Re: When Food Stamps & Welfare stop.
Post by: The True Adonis on August 17, 2011, 06:03:56 AM
damn 3$ a day!

they're really living the dream and draining those hard working people who had their college paid for by mom and dad.  I don't see how anyone makes it
Next time someone you know starts wrongly throwing around they myth of welfare, ask them then if its so great why are you not on it? 
Title: Re: When Food Stamps & Welfare stop.
Post by: Nirvana on August 17, 2011, 06:06:07 AM
Next time someone you know starts wrongly throwing around they myth of welfare, ask them then if its so great why are you not on it? 
see, I can't apply for it because I'm white.

all white people work hard and only blacks use welfare
Title: Re: When Food Stamps & Welfare stop.
Post by: dr.chimps on August 17, 2011, 06:39:09 AM
see, I can't apply for it because I'm white.

all white people work hard and only blacks use welfare
I think Worker's Comp is the preferred route for idle Whites.    ;)
Title: Re: When Food Stamps & Welfare stop.
Post by: George Whorewell on August 17, 2011, 06:57:38 AM
Maybe this à shock but people do get unemployed involuntary...

Most Americans are pretty narrow minded. Raising taxes is à no no.. THE rich thank you for that. Just like at your infrastructure, education system and health care. It sucks in comparison with your wealth. Result of taxes being too low for two decades. But hey, just cut government spending even more. It Will result in more poverty, bad housing, more crimes and even worse infrastructure.

Unfortunately, The tea party believe that lower taxes is the holy grail... Stupid people do not realize that some very rich people support the tea party. Why, they directly benefit from lower taxes. THE average American however does not!

Your are a mindless fuckwad. Every single thing posted above is false. You think higher taxes results in less poverty, good housing, less crime and a worse infrastructure? Did you mother use heroin when she was pregnant with you? Like most libs, reality doesn't matter to you; you just advocated the exact opposite of what would happen. The very rich will be very rich no matter what. Libs in this country think a couple making 250k is very rich. Taxing them will do nothing to help the economy. Poor people don't pay taxes. So who benefits? Middle class people who don't get govenment assistance? The unemployed? Think before you write moron. As noted in another thread, the US is 16 trillion+ in the hole. If every American making 10 million+ had their entire income confiscated, the result would be 240 billion dollars. Get a calculator and figure out how much 240 billion would plug a 16 trillion dollar deficit.

Try reading a book or picking up a newspaper. Higher taxation kills societies-- entitlements, social programs etc. are the prerequisites to disaster. 
Title: Re: When Food Stamps & Welfare stop.
Post by: Marty Champions on August 17, 2011, 07:13:36 AM


why doesnt this girl get a job working just 3 hours a week that 21 dollars right there oh brother lazy girl she is  :-X
Title: Re: When Food Stamps & Welfare stop.
Post by: #1 Klaus fan on August 17, 2011, 07:15:20 AM
Next time someone you know starts wrongly throwing around they myth of welfare, ask them then if its so great why are you not on it?  

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Some people think it's like living a dream. Yeah except if you enjoy a job (95 % of people enjoy some kind of job) you don't have that purpose in your life and thus probably live a boring groundhog day life. Have no money. Social life = drastically hindered. Yeah some people willingy live that kind of life. Are they the honey badgers of humankind?
Title: Re: When Food Stamps & Welfare stop.
Post by: LittleJ on August 17, 2011, 07:16:24 AM
Lazy ass porch monkeys. They think everything in life is owed to them. They want free food, free money, free housing, free cellphones, free health care they're leaches on society. Nasty terrible people. You can't even walk into their neighberhood without every #### face basterd giving you the "staredown".
My friends have an appartment that is in the ghetto. I carry a huge folding knife on me when I go over there. You never no when one of these ghetto goblin shit birds is gonna start some bullshit. I would slice the shit out of one of them. My friends can't even walk down to the corner store without some crackhead shitstain comeing to beg for money. I never feel bad anymore when I turn on the news and see one of them got shot. Guess why it's their own people doing the shootings. They can't even get along with eachother. They rape and murder eachother!

One of my friends who lives at the appartment is a really pretty petite girl. We have to always worry that one of the basterds is gonna try something, or say something. My friends aren't as paranoid as me. I'm talking them in to getting a nice 12 gauge pump and a few other weapons to keep around. They should have a lead pipe or baseball bat in the car. The girl should have some kind of pepper spray or knife something.

I didn't know you hated black people. I guess you want to slice me with that knife huh?
Title: Re: When Food Stamps & Welfare stop.
Post by: makaveli25 on August 17, 2011, 07:22:10 AM
I didn't know you hated black people. I guess you want to slice me with that knife huh?

I don't hate all black people. I hate criminal ghetto goblin shit birds who have nothing better to do than act tough, sell drugs, "chill" on the corner all day being worthless. How do they have time to just sit around all day.

Now the black people that I work with act respectful and I get along great with them. The black fellas I see that don't speak with ebonics and wear their pants half off their ass I'm cool with.
Title: Re: When Food Stamps & Welfare stop.
Post by: Marty Champions on August 17, 2011, 07:25:20 AM
I don't hate all black people. I hate criminal ghetto goblin shit birds who have nothing better to do than act tough, sell drugs, "chill" on the corner all day being worthless. How do they have time to just sit around all day.

Now the black people that I work with act respectful and I get along great with them. The black fellas I see that don't speak with ebonics and wear their pants half off their ass I'm cool with.

you mean like most young blacks
Title: Re: When Food Stamps & Welfare stop.
Post by: grab an umbrella on August 17, 2011, 08:01:49 AM
Next time someone you know starts wrongly throwing around they myth of welfare, ask them then if its so great why are you not on it? 

Lo fucking L ta.  YOU say next time someone wrongly throws out welfare stuff.  You mean like you just did?  You know there is a difference between food stamps, tanf, and wic right?  According to my googlefu, your 21 dollar a week fact is wrong.

http://www.statehealthfacts.org/comparetable.jsp?cat=1&ind=26

Thats per person per state.

Now lets move on to WIC,
http://www.fns.usda.gov/pd/25wifyavgfd$.htm

Not much but certainly a nice addition to food stamps.  I had trouble finding exact stats on tanf/welfare but it seemed to be around 200 dollars per person.  Couple all that with section 8 housing and unemployment and it seems to me that TA is telling a very misleading story.
Title: Re: When Food Stamps & Welfare stop.
Post by: The True Adonis on August 17, 2011, 08:06:41 AM
Lo fucking L ta.  YOU say next time someone wrongly throws out welfare stuff.  You mean like you just did?  You know there is a difference between food stamps, tanf, and wic right?  According to my googlefu, your 21 dollar a week fact is wrong.

http://www.statehealthfacts.org/comparetable.jsp?cat=1&ind=26

Thats per person per state.

Now lets move on to WIC,
http://www.fns.usda.gov/pd/25wifyavgfd$.htm

Not much but certainly a nice addition to food stamps.  I had trouble finding exact stats on tanf/welfare but it seemed to be around 200 dollars per person.  Couple all that with section 8 housing and unemployment and it seems to me that TA is telling a very misleading story.

Can you interpret what you posted?  The figures you listed are per participant, per family, not per individual.  Furthermore, according to what you posted the ENTIRE BUDGET FOR FOOD STAMP IN THE UNITED STATES is only 60 million dollars.

Lady Gaga, made more than 60 millions dollars last year, more than what it takes to FUND THE ENTIRE UNITED STATES FOOD STAMP PROGRAM.
Title: Re: When Food Stamps & Welfare stop.
Post by: grab an umbrella on August 17, 2011, 08:12:05 AM
What I posted was food stamp average per person, not sure what you're getting at here.
Title: Re: When Food Stamps & Welfare stop.
Post by: The True Adonis on August 17, 2011, 08:14:17 AM
Lo fucking L ta.  YOU say next time someone wrongly throws out welfare stuff.  You mean like you just did?  You know there is a difference between food stamps, tanf, and wic right?  According to my googlefu, your 21 dollar a week fact is wrong.

http://www.statehealthfacts.org/comparetable.jsp?cat=1&ind=26

Thats per person per state.

Now lets move on to WIC,
http://www.fns.usda.gov/pd/25wifyavgfd$.htm

Not much but certainly a nice addition to food stamps.  I had trouble finding exact stats on tanf/welfare but it seemed to be around 200 dollars per person.  Couple all that with section 8 housing and unemployment and it seems to me that TA is telling a very misleading story.

You are also not factoring in that you have to QUALIFY for these programs as miniscule they are.

Even though Food Stamps are about 21 dollars per week and WIC (In North carolina 39 dollars a month)  you still have to Qualify, its not permanent and at least ALL THE MONEY goes to our Farmers and Food Producers which also in turn, help keep costs low (for the rest of us) for Produce as raw Fruits, Vegetables and Milk, farm products are WIC and TANF approved.

If you think its so great, why don`t you sign right up.
Title: Re: When Food Stamps & Welfare stop.
Post by: The True Adonis on August 17, 2011, 08:15:42 AM
What I posted was food stamp average per person, not sure what you're getting at here.
I`m getting at we are a nation who spends very little when compared to other nations when it comes to the less fortunate.
Title: Re: When Food Stamps & Welfare stop.
Post by: ManBearPig... on August 17, 2011, 09:24:54 AM
i like how getbig's two perpetually unemployed leeches of society are doling out economic advice.
Title: Re: When Food Stamps & Welfare stop.
Post by: The True Adonis on August 17, 2011, 09:28:25 AM
i like how getbig's two perpetually unemployed leeches of society are doling out economic advice.
You and who else?
Title: Re: When Food Stamps & Welfare stop.
Post by: WillRiker on August 17, 2011, 02:31:54 PM
Your are a mindless fuckwad. Every single thing posted above is false. You think higher taxes results in less poverty, good housing, less crime and a worse infrastructure? Did you mother use heroin when she was pregnant with you? Like most libs, reality doesn't matter to you; you just advocated the exact opposite of what would happen. The very rich will be very rich no matter what. Libs in this country think a couple making 250k is very rich. Taxing them will do nothing to help the economy. Poor people don't pay taxes. So who benefits? Middle class people who don't get govenment assistance? The unemployed? Think before you write moron. As noted in another thread, the US is 16 trillion+ in the hole. If every American making 10 million+ had their entire income confiscated, the result would be 240 billion dollars. Get a calculator and figure out how much 240 billion would plug a 16 trillion dollar deficit.

Try reading a book or picking up a newspaper. Higher taxation kills societies-- entitlements, social programs etc. are the prerequisites to disaster. 

Please provide some arguments and no mindless attacks. In the fifties and sixties, tax rates were much higher. Economic growth was also higher!

I have no problem with the very rich, good for them. But they should pay more taxes. Why do you think the credit score of the US has been downgraded?? Solution is easy, cut spending on certain areas and raise taxes. However, just suggesting raising the taxes........ Even Warren Buffet advocates higher taxes, but for some reason it is not open for an open discussion.

There are numerous countries in the word who have higher taxes then the US and living there is better for the AVERAGE citizen. A shame really because in the fifties and sixties, the US was the number ONE place to live for the AVERAGE citizen. Currently, it is not. How many people are struggling to survive, have multiple jobs, work their asses off and their future is quite uncertain.

I am waiting for your solution... Let me guess, kill the beast, cut welfare  (those lazy bastards!), lower taxes....
Title: Re: When Food Stamps & Welfare stop.
Post by: George Whorewell on August 17, 2011, 08:19:00 PM
Cut government bureaucracy and waste by eliminating several unnecessary agencies and positions, cut taxes, cut useless social programs, reduce regulation on small businesses and the financial sector, tort reform, stop printing money+ devaluing our currency, pass a balanced budget amendment, substantially reduce foreign aid, pull our troops out of Libya, explore and drill for oil and other natural resources on our own land so we can stop funding Islamic terrorism and making foreign companies rich, put the global warming agenda hoax to bed for good along with the "green jobs" scam, end ethanol subsidies, repeal Obamacare, impose mandatory term limits on elected officials, eliminate the increasingly blurred distinction between the public and private sector, etc. etc. etc.

I can go on forever. My solution is the exact opposite of everything that the liberal agenda stands for.

The US credit rating was downgraded exclusively because we spend too much money. The interest payments we make on the debt owed to the Chinese is financing their military. We are almost at a point where we spend more on debt than our GDP. We do not have a revenue problem, we have a spending problem.

As to everything else you wrote, its completely ridiculous to compare nameless, unidentified countries to the United States at present time with the subjective/strawman assertion that the "average" citizen lives much better elsewhere. Where are these countries? Which countries are you referring to?

 
Title: Re: When Food Stamps & Welfare stop.
Post by: Soul Crusher on August 17, 2011, 08:27:09 PM
Thread over.
Title: Re: When Food Stamps & Welfare stop.
Post by: Hereford on August 18, 2011, 12:17:58 PM
These people who would rather see more homeless and watch people starve are the same types of people who want to fight but don't want to get punched. Imagine 20-50 million more hungry homeless walking the streets of America. When a lot of the them are street smart beyond imagination. One, two or tens guns isn't going to protect your home and assets when you have to leave it and go to work. Cut off all funding to the poor and say goodbye to the middle class. It would be a war zone if the government turned their backs on the poor.

Most thieves and homeless transients are non-confrontational, they just wait until you aren't going to be around and take what they are going to steal. And you cannot watch all your stuff all the time. it's impossible. I have an ongoing problem with tweakers thieving stuff, and you simply can't cover everything. These people are necessarily smart, they just have time on their hands and nothing else to do.

I have no doubt that that low classes will revert to outlaw thieving bands if the handouts are curtailed. They simply have no other skills to survive other than to take by fear or force. They can't grow anything, they can't produce anything. I have no faith in the government to protect society when this happens. There is going to be a lot of lower class types disappearing when this all goes down.
Title: Re: When Food Stamps & Welfare stop.
Post by: WillRiker on August 18, 2011, 01:08:55 PM
Netherlands, germany, canada, France, Sweden, Finland are countries where the average citizen is better off then in the US. Better economic prospect, health care more accessible.

Solution for the debt issue of the US is a combination of cutting certain gov. Spending AND increasing revenue. It is not one or the other, it is both.



Title: Re: When Food Stamps & Welfare stop.
Post by: Hereford on August 18, 2011, 03:21:58 PM
Netherlands, germany, canada, France, Sweden, Finland are countries where the average citizen is better off then in the US. Better economic prospect, health care more accessible.

Solution for the debt issue of the US is a combination of cutting certain gov. Spending AND increasing revenue. It is not one or the other, it is both.





Bullshit. All the countries you mentioned do not have the sheer volume of lowlifes we have here sucking on the system.

"Better economic prospect" ??? WTF?! Are you serious?
Title: Re: When Food Stamps & Welfare stop.
Post by: The True Adonis on August 18, 2011, 03:39:08 PM
Bullshit. All the countries you mentioned do not have the sheer volume of lowlifes we have here sucking on the system.

"Better economic prospect" ??? WTF?! Are you serious?
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Title: Re: When Food Stamps & Welfare stop.
Post by: The Abdominal Snoman on August 19, 2011, 04:40:32 PM
Most thieves and homeless transients are non-confrontational, they just wait until you aren't going to be around and take what they are going to steal. And you cannot watch all your stuff all the time. it's impossible. I have an ongoing problem with tweakers thieving stuff, and you simply can't cover everything. These people are necessarily smart, they just have time on their hands and nothing else to do.

I have no doubt that that low classes will revert to outlaw thieving bands if the handouts are curtailed. They simply have no other skills to survive other than to take by fear or force. They can't grow anything, they can't produce anything. I have no faith in the government to protect society when this happens. There is going to be a lot of lower class types disappearing when this all goes down.

I don't know man, there's a lot of middle to middle upper who wouldn't know what to do without electricity longer then 3 days. No cell phone, no computer etc. I think the middle to middle upper are going to be in a world of shit if a collapse was to happen. The middle are the ones who basically go insane in prison. The lower have a much better chance of adapting to the "shit hitting the fan" scenario imop...Because lets be real, pull all the safety nets away and the shit will certainly hit the fan.
Title: Re: When Food Stamps & Welfare stop.
Post by: WillRiker on August 20, 2011, 04:16:51 AM
Bullshit. All the countries you mentioned do not have the sheer volume of lowlifes we have here sucking on the system.

"Better economic prospect" ??? WTF?! Are you serious?

Research shows that  the real income (adjusted for inflation) of the middle class in the US has not gone up since 1980!!! So thirty years of hard work, and your real income has been the same. Just guess where the welfare went..

In the countries i mentioned, real income has been up for the middle class. So end of debate.

I agree that they are " lowlifes" that suck on the system. However, everybody and I mean everybody can lose their job. In a civilized country, you should be able to provide a life line for those people to get a new job. In the US however, you lose everything!