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Title: Mark Dugdale's update (2011-08-30 )
Post by: musclecenter on August 31, 2011, 08:07:11 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TMFPpZxP3ic


Title: Re: Mark Dugdale's update (2011-08-30 )
Post by: Man of Steel on August 31, 2011, 08:17:02 AM
I'm literally shocked he wasn't sportin a glittery, bedazzled posing panty at that waterpark.


Title: Re: Mark Dugdale's update (2011-08-30 )
Post by: SF1900 on August 31, 2011, 08:43:08 AM
And the bible stated, "All thy true Christians shall be steroid abusers"  :D :D


Title: Re: Mark Dugdale's update (2011-08-30 )
Post by: mass243 on August 31, 2011, 08:46:29 AM
WOWOWOWOOWOWOWOWOOWOWOWO WO  :o :o


HOT wife  :P :P :P :P



If I had high estro levels I would probably love her.. that's how wives should be; cute and soft


Title: Re: Mark Dugdale's update (2011-08-30 )
Post by: Tito24 on August 31, 2011, 09:02:38 AM
why did that idiot shaved his head?


Title: Re: Mark Dugdale's update (2011-08-30 )
Post by: 240_Iz_Nutz on August 31, 2011, 09:07:17 AM
Dugdale seems alright to me. His wife still looks like the shit boys. She has always been so hot!


Title: Re: Mark Dugdale's update (2011-08-30 )
Post by: dyslexic on August 31, 2011, 09:26:41 AM
And the bible stated, "All thy true Christians shall be steroid abusers"  :D :D


I've often wondered how even Ronnie Coleman rationalized this?


His videos have him bouncin' his head to Gangsta rap and then expousing his Christianity.


No judgements here, just curious how they rationalize continuous, calculating felony offenses?


Doesn't Branch also talk about his faith in God? For some reason, I don't think Professional bodybuilding and Christianity go "hand-in-hand" (But sure man, that's just me)


Let the ripping begin.


Title: Re: Mark Dugdale's update (2011-08-30 )
Post by: tbombz on August 31, 2011, 09:31:04 AM

I've often wondered how even Ronnie Coleman rationalized this?


His videos have him bouncin' his head to Gangsta rap and then expousing his Christianity.


No judgements here, just curious how they rationalize continuous, calculating felony offenses?


Doesn't Branch also talk about his faith in God? For some reason, I don't think Professional bodybuilding and Christianity go "hand-in-hand" (But sure man, that's just me)


Let the ripping begin.

jesus never said anything about doing drugs. when asked what were the only two rules people should live by "there is one god and love your neighbor". obviously, christ thought the only thing you needed to do as a person of faith was treat other people with love and respect. taking steroids, whether legal or not, is thus no obstruction to being a christian.


Title: Re: Mark Dugdale's update (2011-08-30 )
Post by: DroppingPlates on August 31, 2011, 09:39:57 AM
Wow, a bodybuilder and a family man, someone should call CNN.
Can he do more chin ups than Jay?


Title: Re: Mark Dugdale's update (2011-08-30 )
Post by: SF1900 on August 31, 2011, 09:44:59 AM

I've often wondered how even Ronnie Coleman rationalized this?


His videos have him bouncin' his head to Gangsta rap and then expousing his Christianity.


No judgements here, just curious how they rationalize continuous, calculating felony offenses?


Doesn't Branch also talk about his faith in God? For some reason, I don't think Professional bodybuilding and Christianity go "hand-in-hand" (But sure man, that's just me)


Let the ripping begin.

Because they are hypocrites. They choose to follow certain parts of the bible and disregard other parts (like most theists). According to the bible, your body is a temple of the holy spirit. I am sure 'God' wouldn't want someone destroying their bodies with tons of drugs. It wreaks of hypocrisy. Most christians are supposed to be moral people. I didn't know buying illegal drugs was moral?  :-X :-X

Oh gee, Branches love of God while he sticks needles in his ass and hunts innocent animals. What an idiot.  ::) ::)


Title: Re: Mark Dugdale's update (2011-08-30 )
Post by: YoungBlood on August 31, 2011, 09:49:41 AM

I've often wondered how even Ronnie Coleman rationalized this?


His videos have him bouncin' his head to Gangsta rap and then expousing his Christianity.


No judgements here, just curious how they rationalize continuous, calculating felony offenses?


Doesn't Branch also talk about his faith in God? For some reason, I don't think Professional bodybuilding and Christianity go "hand-in-hand" (But sure man, that's just me)


Let the ripping begin.

Always thought the same and asked the same question myself. A band mate of mine gave me what I consider the most logical and useful answer I've heard. I'm not exactly a religious guy so if this is off, I wouldn't even know.
He said:

"Your duty is to promote God and his will. If taking steroids and pumping yourself full of drugs makes you win a contest and you can say 'It was His will, God helped me win this' you're still promoting His will and doing your duty and service to him."

Also, Milos said that one of his former clients (I think Flex, who had just found religion at the time along with Shawn) had troubles trying to make a comeback, knowing he had to take substances to win which went against his new found religious beliefs. Milos stated that he (meaning Milos) never had a problem with it and could justify using while still promoting a religious background. Too bad we could probably never get Milos on here any time soon to let us know how/what he meant.


Title: Re: Mark Dugdale's update (2011-08-30 )
Post by: SF1900 on August 31, 2011, 09:52:07 AM
Always thought the same and asked the same question myself. A band mate of mine gave me what I consider the most logical and useful answer I've heard. I'm not exactly a religious guy so if this is off, I wouldn't even know.
He said:

"Your duty is to promote God and his will. If taking steroids and pumping yourself full of drugs makes you win a contest and you can say 'It was His will, God helped me win this' you're still promoting His will and doing your duty and service to him."

Also, Milos said that one of his former clients (I think Flex, who had just found religion at the time along with Shawn) had troubles trying to make a comeback, knowing he had to take substances to win which went against his new found religious beliefs. Milos stated that he (meaning Milos) never had a problem with it and could justify using while still promoting a religious background. Too bad we could probably never get Milos on here any time soon to let us know how/what he meant.

Shit, you could promote anything you'd like. Someone can kill someone else in the name of God (which has happened before). You can spin religious bullshit any way you like. Milos and the others are just coming up with a bullshit excuse to rationalize their drug abuse.


Title: Re: Mark Dugdale's update (2011-08-30 )
Post by: YoungBlood on August 31, 2011, 09:56:28 AM
Shit, you could promote anything you'd like. Someone can kill someone else in the name of God (which has happened before). You can spin religious bullshit any way you like. Milos and the others are just coming up with a bullshit excuse to rationalize their drug abuse.

I agree 120% with you on that one. It's a gigantic loophole the size of Ava Devine's prolapsed anus.
But it also is the only rebuttal I've heard that makes any sense, until the loophole is introduced.


Title: Re: Mark Dugdale's update (2011-08-30 )
Post by: SF1900 on August 31, 2011, 09:58:59 AM
I agree 120% with you on that one. It's a gigantic loophole the size of Ava Devine's prolapsed anus.
But it also is the only rebuttal I've heard that makes any sense, until the loophole is introduced.

I could say "I took a big shit on that womans forehead because I felt inside me that it was Gods Will."  :D :D How can you tell me that isn't the case if its MY subjective experience. God was inside me! Its easy to use a subjective experience and spin it anyway you like.  ::) ::)


Title: Re: Mark Dugdale's update (2011-08-30 )
Post by: YoungBlood on August 31, 2011, 12:03:40 PM
I could say "I took a big shit on that womans forehead because I felt inside me that it was Gods Will."  :D :D How can you tell me that isn't the case if its MY subjective experience. God was inside me! Its easy to use a subjective experience and spin it anyway you like.  ::) ::)

Loophole. Do you comprehend? I'm not saying it's right to have that loophole. I'm with you all the way on this one. ::) ::) ::)


Title: Re: Mark Dugdale's update (2011-08-30 )
Post by: SF1900 on August 31, 2011, 12:17:12 PM
Loophole. Do you comprehend? I'm not saying it's right to have that loophole. I'm with you all the way on this one. ::) ::) ::)

Yes, I do comprehend. I know you were agreeing with me. I was just giving examples of how ridiculous it is  :D :D


Title: Re: Mark Dugdale's update (2011-08-30 )
Post by: wild willie on August 31, 2011, 12:24:43 PM
WOW.......


NEVER CEASES TO AMAZE HOW FOOLISH PEOPLE ARE HERE.....


THERE IS A VIDEO OF A MAN TAKING HIS FAMILY TO A WATERPARK


BEING A GOOD FAMILY MAN......A GREAT BUSINESS MAN.....A PRETTY GOOD BBER

AND YET SOME BLOKES HERE FEEL THE NEED TO BLAST THE MAN....


WHO THE FUCK ARE YOU TO JUDGE THIS MAN.....BBING DIDN'T EVEN COME UP IN THIS VIDEO


YET SF1900 DECIDES TO INJECT HIS BULLSHIT IN HERE......GET A LIFE YOU FRIGGIN TURD!!!


Title: Re: Mark Dugdale's update (2011-08-30 )
Post by: supernick on August 31, 2011, 12:30:19 PM
why did that idiot shaved his head?
because he was almost bald, didnt look good anymore.


Title: Re: Mark Dugdale's update (2011-08-30 )
Post by: SF1900 on August 31, 2011, 12:34:05 PM
WOW.......


NEVER CEASES TO AMAZE HOW FOOLISH PEOPLE ARE HERE.....


THERE IS A VIDEO OF A MAN TAKING HIS FAMILY TO A WATERPARK


BEING A GOOD FAMILY MAN......A GREAT BUSINESS MAN.....A PRETTY GOOD BBER

AND YET SOME BLOKES HERE FEEL THE NEED TO BLAST THE MAN....


WHO THE FUCK ARE YOU TO JUDGE THIS MAN.....BBING DIDN'T EVEN COME UP IN THIS VIDEO


YET SF1900 DECIDES TO INJECT HIS BULLSHIT IN HERE......GET A LIFE YOU FRIGGIN TURD!!!

 :P :P :P

Mark Dugdale, being the good christian person, would not approve of such anger!  >:( >:(


Title: Re: Mark Dugdale's update (2011-08-30 )
Post by: tbombz on August 31, 2011, 12:38:22 PM
you also have to consider that alot of people have varying degrees of faith for different parts of the "story".

most people have a  belief in god and an afterlife of some kind, some believe in jesus because his message was so pure, and maybe half of those believe in the old testament for whatever reason.

one may be a christian and not have any regard for the old testament. in fact if one still views the old testament as a true story about life on earth they would have to be ignorant of the amount of science we have proving otherwise.

for a person who believes in jesus but not the old testament the idea of morality is not bound by arbitrary rules and most do not consider damaging yourself to be an actual "sin" but just a bad personal decision.

and i think thats correct.

from the literature on jesus one could assume so would he.


Title: Re: Mark Dugdale's update (2011-08-30 )
Post by: Wiggs on August 31, 2011, 12:41:54 PM
Dugdale is a good christian man with a great family. Nothing mean to say about him.


Title: Re: Mark Dugdale's update (2011-08-30 )
Post by: Primemuscle on August 31, 2011, 12:43:18 PM
Nice to see a bodybuilder living a regular life.


Title: Re: Mark Dugdale's update (2011-08-30 )
Post by: wild willie on August 31, 2011, 01:52:53 PM
:P :P :P

Mark Dugdale, being the good christian person, would not approve of such anger!  >:( >:(
you still can't explain why you attack the man??


Title: Re: Mark Dugdale's update (2011-08-30 )
Post by: SF1900 on August 31, 2011, 02:08:08 PM
you still can't explain why you attack the man??

To be honest, it was not really meant as an attack. More along the lines of a moral dilemma. Akin to cops who buy illegal drugs and engage in criminal activity, yet are supposed to uphold the law. I find it interesting how Christians, as well as other theists, call themselves men of God, yet engage in illegal activity (purchasing of illegal drugs). Now I am obviously very far from perfect; however, I am not claiming to be a man of God either. Its interesting to know how Dugdale reconciles his belief in a God with engaging in illegal activity (purchasing of steroids). But it really wasn't meant to be an attack. Others framed it better than I should have.


Title: Re: Mark Dugdale's update (2011-08-30 )
Post by: Max B on August 31, 2011, 04:01:39 PM
I would beat his wife's box up thats about all i know about this small fella.


Title: Re: Mark Dugdale's update (2011-08-30 )
Post by: YoungBlood on August 31, 2011, 04:10:14 PM
To be honest, it was not really meant as an attack. More along the lines of a moral dilemma. Akin to cops who buy illegal drugs and engage in criminal activity, yet are supposed to uphold the law. I find it interesting how Christians, as well as other theists, call themselves men of God, yet engage in illegal activity (purchasing of illegal drugs). Now I am obviously very far from perfect; however, I am not claiming to be a man of God either. Its interesting to know how Dugdale reconciles his belief in a God with engaging in illegal activity (purchasing of steroids). But it really wasn't meant to be an attack. Others framed it better than I should have.

I'm right there with you.
It's more curiosity than anything.
Using the cop analogy as you did above, is spot on. Gets the point across using the same example, but different names and situation.


Title: Re: Mark Dugdale's update (2011-08-30 )
Post by: rccs on August 31, 2011, 04:11:28 PM
Look how bay runs from this thread like the devil from the cross. A man win a family is something that a leftist phag got can handle...


Title: Re: Mark Dugdale's update (2011-08-30 )
Post by: dyslexic on August 31, 2011, 04:15:19 PM
jesus never said anything about doing drugs. when asked what were the only two rules people should live by "there is one god and love your neighbor". obviously, christ thought the only thing you needed to do as a person of faith was treat other people with love and respect. taking steroids, whether legal or not, is thus no obstruction to being a christian.


He also said to obey the laws of the land ~ i.e.,: paying taxes, etc. ~ in the U.S. it is a felony offense to purchase steroids without a prescription... not to mention the irony of being a Police Officer who supposedly upholds the law.




This isn't a forum that is receptive to preaching and I need to stop with this one for fear that an unwitting soul will respond with absence of mind.


I'll agree to disagree if that's cool with you. You are my neighbor after all, right?


Title: Re: Mark Dugdale's update (2011-08-30 )
Post by: Parker on August 31, 2011, 04:20:02 PM
Yall remember Francois was one step away from being a Catholic Priest...and then boom.


Title: Re: Mark Dugdale's update (2011-08-30 )
Post by: dyslexic on August 31, 2011, 04:20:55 PM
Dugdale is a good christian man with a great family. Nothing mean to say about him.

I believe this also. Who are we to judge? My question was misconstrued.


"He who is without sin shall cast the first stone..."


I'm just curious as to the thought-processing of a professing Christian on the matter of knowingly purchasing drugs that are a felony offense. One would think he would have a little nervousness and guilt knowing he was in violation of the law.


If he were arrested, saying "I am a Christian!" also would not save him. It would be deemed hypocrisy. I am only trying to provoke thoughts, not throw stones.


Title: Re: Mark Dugdale's update (2011-08-30 )
Post by: Primemuscle on August 31, 2011, 07:41:43 PM
WOW.......


NEVER CEASES TO AMAZE HOW FOOLISH PEOPLE ARE HERE.....


THERE IS A VIDEO OF A MAN TAKING HIS FAMILY TO A WATERPARK


BEING A GOOD FAMILY MAN......A GREAT BUSINESS MAN.....A PRETTY GOOD BBER

AND YET SOME BLOKES HERE FEEL THE NEED TO BLAST THE MAN....


WHO THE FUCK ARE YOU TO JUDGE THIS MAN.....BBING DIDN'T EVEN COME UP IN THIS VIDEO


YET SF1900 DECIDES TO INJECT HIS BULLSHIT IN HERE......GET A LIFE YOU FRIGGIN TURD!!!

I totally agree. It is like some folks can't think, write or say a nice thing to save their lives. Frankly, they must be miserable fucks.


Title: Re: Mark Dugdale's update (2011-08-30 )
Post by: 20inch calves on August 31, 2011, 08:28:45 PM
WOW.......


NEVER CEASES TO AMAZE HOW FOOLISH PEOPLE ARE HERE.....


THERE IS A VIDEO OF A MAN TAKING HIS FAMILY TO A WATERPARK


BEING A GOOD FAMILY MAN......A GREAT BUSINESS MAN.....A PRETTY GOOD BBER

AND YET SOME BLOKES HERE FEEL THE NEED TO BLAST THE MAN....


WHO THE FUCK ARE YOU TO JUDGE THIS MAN.....BBING DIDN'T EVEN COME UP IN THIS VIDEO


YET SF1900 DECIDES TO INJECT HIS BULLSHIT IN HERE......GET A LIFE YOU FRIGGIN TURD!!!


nice post. i was thinking the same thing. the guy takes time out to spend with his family showing that a pro bber can be a normal peson too.


Title: Re: Mark Dugdale's update (2011-08-30 )
Post by: SF1900 on August 31, 2011, 09:28:54 PM

nice post. i was thinking the same thing. the guy takes time out to spend with his family showing that a pro bber can be a normal peson too.

If you read a previous post of mine, it would have explained what I meant. I wrote:

To be honest, it was not really meant as an attack. More along the lines of a moral dilemma. Akin to cops who buy illegal drugs and engage in criminal activity, yet are supposed to uphold the law. I find it interesting how Christians, as well as other theists, call themselves men of God, yet engage in illegal activity (purchasing of illegal drugs). Now I am obviously very far from perfect; however, I am not claiming to be a man of God either. Its interesting to know how Dugdale reconciles his belief in a God with engaging in illegal activity (purchasing of steroids). But it really wasn't meant to be an attack. Others framed it better than I should have.

It is an interesting moral dilemma, considering people in their daily lives claim to be moralistic in one breath, then act totally different. Kind of like the numerous accounts of priest molesting little boys. Obviously, Dugdale does nothing of this nature. But you can understand the similarities between the two. Thus, this moral dilemma can be posed to anyone! I mean, look at all the videos that are posted on here of cops beating up civilians or taking the law too far. On the one hand, they are supposed to uphold the law; on the other, they are breaking the law by using excessive force. Does it make you upset when people post videos of cops and calling them "pigs" etc? Why doesn't it? Aren't they family men too? I will reiterate, I didn't mean to knock dugdale, was just posing a question.


Title: Re: Mark Dugdale's update (2011-08-30 )
Post by: YoungBlood on August 31, 2011, 09:33:16 PM


In a recent PM, I wrote this and standby my thoughts:

At the end of a the day, people are going to do what they want to do. Nobody will tell them they can do this and can't do that and everyone will abide by the rules set forth by the governing powers.
Religion is just a way to try to keep the reigns a little tighter and control the masses from doing what the leader of the group wants.

Be it Christian, Catholic or an uptight Anabolic Outlaw...they can say God told me to do this or to do that. But at the end of the day, Coleman, Arnold, Haney or Dugdale...whoever your good upstanding religious advocate may be, that person will do what they want and if it happens to be steroids, they'll find a loophole and exploit it in order to do what they want. Because they want to. That is the beauty of free will.


Title: Re: Mark Dugdale's update (2011-08-30 )
Post by: the_swami on August 31, 2011, 09:36:42 PM
i wonder if his daughters get shit from other kids in school about their dad being a steroid user?


Title: Re: Mark Dugdale's update (2011-08-30 )
Post by: tbombz on August 31, 2011, 09:42:27 PM

He also said to obey the laws of the land ~ i.e.,: paying taxes, etc. ~ in the U.S. it is a felony offense to purchase steroids without a prescription... not to mention the irony of being a Police Officer who supposedly upholds the law.

This isn't a forum that is receptive to preaching and I need to stop with this one for fear that an unwitting soul will respond with absence of mind.

I'll agree to disagree if that's cool with you. You are my neighbor after all, right?

no jesus did not say to obey the laws. he advised two men to pay their taxes, what he said was "do unto ceasar what is ceasars and do unto the lord what is the lords". the only reason he said it was because the men were trying to tempt jesus to say something that would have had him be executed by asking if they should give their tax money to charity instead of ceasar. they thought he would tell them to give it to the church, and if he did that they would have ran to the closest official and reprted him.   there is no other mention about anything related to following man made laws.



Title: Re: Mark Dugdale's update (2011-08-30 )
Post by: tbombz on August 31, 2011, 09:45:57 PM
If you read a previous post of mine, it would have explained what I meant. I wrote:

To be honest, it was not really meant as an attack. More along the lines of a moral dilemma. Akin to cops who buy illegal drugs and engage in criminal activity, yet are supposed to uphold the law. I find it interesting how Christians, as well as other theists, call themselves men of God, yet engage in illegal activity (purchasing of illegal drugs). Now I am obviously very far from perfect; however, I am not claiming to be a man of God either. Its interesting to know how Dugdale reconciles his belief in a God with engaging in illegal activity (purchasing of steroids). But it really wasn't meant to be an attack. Others framed it better than I should have.

It is an interesting moral dilemma, considering people in their daily lives claim to be moralistic in one breath, then act totally different. Kind of like the numerous accounts of priest molesting little boys. Obviously, Dugdale does nothing of this nature. But you can understand the similarities between the two. Thus, this moral dilemma can be posed to anyone! I mean, look at all the videos that are posted on here of cops beating up civilians or taking the law too far. On the one hand, they are supposed to uphold the law; on the other, they are breaking the law by using excessive force. Does it make you upset when people post videos of cops and calling them "pigs" etc? Why doesn't it? Aren't they family men too? I will reiterate, I didn't mean to knock dugdale, was just posing a question.

and your question was a stupid one. morality is determined by how a behavior affects others. there is nothing immoral about using steroids or breaking "the law". who could possibly be hurt by such behavior? the answer is no one but the person behaving that way, and self harm is not immoral, its just stupid.



Title: Re: Mark Dugdale's update (2011-08-30 )
Post by: tbombz on August 31, 2011, 09:47:39 PM
I'm right there with you.
It's more curiosity than anything.
Using the cop analogy as you did above, is spot on. Gets the point across using the same example, but different names and situation.
ya because dugdale puts people in jail for doing steroids  ::)


Title: Re: Mark Dugdale's update (2011-08-30 )
Post by: SF1900 on August 31, 2011, 09:53:49 PM
and your question was a stupid one. morality is determined by how a behavior affects others. there is nothing immoral about using steroids or breaking "the law". who could possibly be hurt by such behavior? the answer is no one but the person behaving that way, and self harm is not immoral, its just stupid.



Well, lets see, if Dugdale gets caught buying steroids, which is an illegal activity, then he might spend a few years in jail. Thus, his behavior would have a direct effect on his family who now have to fend for themselves. It wouldn't be too moralistic to leave your kids and wife without a father. It is rather selfish of somonee to put their own interests (body) in front of his family interest. And this might be considered pride, which is one of the seven deadly sins. Not very moralistic for a Christian man. And this goes for anyone, not just dugdale.


Title: Re: Mark Dugdale's update (2011-08-30 )
Post by: dyslexic on August 31, 2011, 10:01:13 PM
Speaking of which, wasn't Branch Warren just complaining about traveling to Sweden to guest pose? What was the reason again?


The cops pull you into the station for being suspect based on your muscle size. He didn't want to be arrested like another Pro just had been.


There is some weird irony here, isn't there?




Title: Re: Mark Dugdale's update (2011-08-30 )
Post by: Primemuscle on August 31, 2011, 11:27:47 PM
In my opinion, steroids should not be illegal. There are too many laws which seek to protect us from our own behaviors and do nothing to protect others from harm. If I want to roid myself into a muscular freak, that should be my choice. I may destroy my health in the process and possibly leave my family to fend for themselves if I die doing this, but it is my choice and I should be entitled to do with my life as I please.

We are a society that has become comfortable with blaming anyone but ourselves for our own choices. And why not? The law supports us. If we smoke a raft of cigarettes and die from lung cancer or emphysema, our families can sue the tobacco companies for leading us down that path....like we had no mind of our own. It is pathetic!


Title: Re: Mark Dugdale's update (2011-08-30 )
Post by: Purge_WTF on September 01, 2011, 12:14:00 AM
jesus never said anything about doing drugs. when asked what were the only two rules people should live by "there is one god and love your neighbor". obviously, christ thought the only thing you needed to do as a person of faith was treat other people with love and respect. taking steroids, whether legal or not, is thus no obstruction to being a christian.

  Wrong. It says in Revelation 22:15 that "For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoeuer loueth and maketh a lie." The word "sorcery" is often a substitute for illicit drug use/abuse. Before that, we read in Romans 13:

 1 Let everyone be subject to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God. 2 Consequently, whoever rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves. 3 For rulers hold no terror for those who do right, but for those who do wrong. Do you want to be free from fear of the one in authority? Then do what is right and you will be commended. 4 For the one in authority is God’s servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for rulers do not bear the sword for no reason. They are God’s servants, agents of wrath to bring punishment on the wrongdoer. 5 Therefore, it is necessary to submit to the authorities, not only because of possible punishment but also as a matter of conscience.

  Whether we agree with current drug laws or not--and I certainly don't--the use of steroids without genuine medicinal purposes is illegal.



Title: Re: Mark Dugdale's update (2011-08-30 )
Post by: gracie bjj on September 01, 2011, 08:07:53 AM
everyone has free will, even people who follow jesus. dont think for a minute that christian bodybuilders who use steroids dont feel guilty about it, they just try to convince themselves its okay.ive been there myself and the guilt nevers leaves you till you stop using them, but at the end of the day they know jesus wouldnt be sticking pins in ass to look good in posing trunks, after all, the whole point of following jesus word is to try to live like jesus did, its impossible for us but he still wants us to try our best


Title: Re: Mark Dugdale's update (2011-08-30 )
Post by: Tito24 on September 01, 2011, 08:10:14 AM
jesus did drugs too, why should we feel sorry about using them then.


Title: Re: Mark Dugdale's update (2011-08-30 )
Post by: jaejonna on September 01, 2011, 08:11:10 AM
you also have to consider that alot of people have varying degrees of faith for different parts of the "story".

most people have a  belief in god and an afterlife of some kind, some believe in jesus because his message was so pure, and maybe half of those believe in the old testament for whatever reason.

one may be a christian and not have any regard for the old testament. in fact if one still views the old testament as a true story about life on earth they would have to be ignorant of the amount of science we have proving otherwise.

for a person who believes in jesus but not the old testament the idea of morality is not bound by arbitrary rules and most do not consider damaging yourself to be an actual "sin" but just a bad personal decision.

and i think thats correct.

from the literature on jesus one could assume so would he.

Now your a theologian ??? hahahahha Oh brother you must be the most OVER qualified lifeguard at the kiddie pool on the face of the Earth...


Title: Re: Mark Dugdale's update (2011-08-30 )
Post by: ManBearPig... on September 01, 2011, 08:12:13 AM
the hypocrisy comes in the "fact" that god created man in his own image, and drugdale is altering that image, thereby defying god.  capisce, tdongz?


Title: Re: Mark Dugdale's update (2011-08-30 )
Post by: wild willie on September 01, 2011, 08:23:38 AM
I would beat his wife's box up thats about all i know about this small fella.
STFU


Title: Re: Mark Dugdale's update (2011-08-30 )
Post by: DroppingPlates on September 01, 2011, 08:46:29 AM
STFU

Lately, I noticed a lot of "clever" posts from you like these.  ::)


Title: Re: Mark Dugdale's update (2011-08-30 )
Post by: YoungBlood on September 01, 2011, 08:46:56 AM
ya because dugdale puts people in jail for doing steroids  ::)

You're are two things:

1) the reason Free Will shouldn't be given to everybody
2) an idiot that shows exactly why a little knowledge can be a dangerous thing.


Title: Re: Mark Dugdale's update (2011-08-30 )
Post by: tbombz on September 01, 2011, 09:39:45 AM
Well, lets see, if Dugdale gets caught buying steroids, which is an illegal activity, then he might spend a few years in jail. Thus, his behavior would have a direct effect on his family who now have to fend for themselves. It wouldn't be too moralistic to leave your kids and wife without a father. It is rather selfish of somonee to put their own interests (body) in front of his family interest. And this might be considered pride, which is one of the seven deadly sins. Not very moralistic for a Christian man. And this goes for anyone, not just dugdale.
 ::)

by that logic its also immoral to be work in any industry where ones life is at risk.  


when saying it would be immoral for him to leave behind his family if he was sent to jail, your forgetting about the fact that for something to be immoral it must have be done intentionally.


 Wrong. It says in Revelation 22:15 that "For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoeuer loueth and maketh a lie." The word "sorcery" is often a substitute for illicit drug use/abuse. Before that, we read in Romans 13:

 1 Let everyone be subject to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God. 2 Consequently, whoever rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves. 3 For rulers hold no terror for those who do right, but for those who do wrong. Do you want to be free from fear of the one in authority? Then do what is right and you will be commended. 4 For the one in authority is God’s servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for rulers do not bear the sword for no reason. They are God’s servants, agents of wrath to bring punishment on the wrongdoer. 5 Therefore, it is necessary to submit to the authorities, not only because of possible punishment but also as a matter of conscience.

  Whether we agree with current drug laws or not--and I certainly don't--the use of steroids without genuine medicinal purposes is illegal.


those are not jesus' words, fool. we were discussing christianity alone.

the hypocrisy comes in the "fact" that god created man in his own image, and drugdale is altering that image, thereby defying god.  capisce, tdongz?
so working out with the intention of becoming muscular would also be immoral, altering yourself from your original design. and getting braces would be immoral. so would fixing a kids clef lip.











you idiots need to think about the implications of your beliefs before spouting them off.


Title: Re: Mark Dugdale's update (2011-08-30 )
Post by: Natural Man on September 01, 2011, 09:45:20 AM
Since when vanity and belittling people are virtues? Dude only wants to impress other people with his steroid body and his trophy wife, must think he s holier than them all.

He could inspire people with a natural physique, why does he needs the drug abuse and the ridiculous fake muscles , why does he feels the need to "stand out" in a crowd? His way of coping with his short stature?

Just another hypocrit asshole to put in the same category of our very own coach on here.




Title: Re: Mark Dugdale's update (2011-08-30 )
Post by: tbombz on September 01, 2011, 09:57:51 AM
Since when vanity and belittling people are virtues? Dude only wants to impress other people with his steroid body and his trophy wife, must think he s holier than them all.

He could inspire people with a natural physique, why does he needs the drug abuse and the ridiculous fake muscles , why does he feels the need to "stand out" in a crowd? His way of coping with his short stature?

Just another hypocrit asshole to put in the same category of our very own coach on here.



you just sound jealous.



Title: Re: Mark Dugdale's update (2011-08-30 )
Post by: SF1900 on September 01, 2011, 10:01:02 AM
 ::)

by that logic its also immoral to be work in any industry where ones life is at risk. 


when saying it would be immoral for him to leave behind his family if he was sent to jail, your forgetting about the fact that for something to be immoral it must have be done intentionally.

You really can't be this stupid. There is a HUGE difference between working as a firefighter or a cop and potentially leaving behind your family because you're doing a dangerous job, compared to a steroid abuser who is willingly engaging in criminal activity. If you can't see the difference, then you're pretty ignorant.  ::) ::)

Yes, and he is intentionally engaging in criminal activity and knowing full well that there is a chance he is going to get caught and sent to jail. I am pretty sure this thought has crossed his mind on numerous occasions.


Title: Re: Mark Dugdale's update (2011-08-30 )
Post by: tbombz on September 01, 2011, 10:05:33 AM

You really can't be this stupid. There is a HUGE difference between working as a firefighter or a cop and potentially leaving behind your family because you're doing a dangerous job, compared to a steroid abuser who is willingly engaging in criminal activity. If you can't see the difference, then you're pretty ignorant.  ::) ::)

Yes, and he is intentionally engaging in criminal activity and knowing full well that there is a chance he is going to get caught and sent to jail. I am pretty sure this thought has crossed his mind on numerous occasions.
you cant be stupid enough to think the only occupations where your life is at risk are jobs where your out defending the lives of others.  how about high rise workers, miners, electrical workers, etc? there are plenty of jobs where men are willingly engaging in activity which puts their families at risk of abandomnent. and theres no reason those guys cant work elsewhere.

"criminal aactivity"  ::) so were interracial couples 50 years ago, so were people who helped escaped slaves 400 years ago, so was saying something negative about the emperor 1000 years ago.

whether or not something is illegal does not in any way concern if it is moral.


Title: Re: Mark Dugdale's update (2011-08-30 )
Post by: dyslexic on September 01, 2011, 11:37:25 AM
Even truckdriving....



geez. This thread has become just like all others: Ridiculous.


Title: Re: Mark Dugdale's update (2011-08-30 )
Post by: Reeves on September 01, 2011, 11:43:15 AM

I've often wondered how even Ronnie Coleman rationalized this?


His videos have him bouncin' his head to Gangsta rap and then expousing his Christianity.


No judgements here, just curious how they rationalize continuous, calculating felony offenses?


Doesn't Branch also talk about his faith in God? For some reason, I don't think Professional bodybuilding and Christianity go "hand-in-hand" (But sure man, that's just me)


Let the ripping begin.

The simple true is that they lie.  You could not be a true follower of the Christ and be such a dumbfuck drug addicted, shithead of a human being as these assclowns are.  Fuck their false faith.


Title: Re: Mark Dugdale's update (2011-08-30 )
Post by: SF1900 on September 01, 2011, 11:48:21 AM
Even truckdriving....



geez. This thread has become just like all others: Ridiculous.

Big difference between being a truck driver and being a drug addicted, criminal.


Title: Re: Mark Dugdale's update (2011-08-30 )
Post by: Fortress on September 01, 2011, 12:19:03 PM
Epic ghey tunes introing this video blog.

Day at the waterpark with the family = gayer than rekindling love for one another.

His wife is smoking hot and cute.

On the matter of being a religious twat and using steroids: It's hypocritical, period. Not that I have any reason to dislike Mark Dugdale. I have never met the man.

I must say that I have always been deeply offended, especially, with law-enforcement officers who use illegal drugs and do illegal things ... and then bust people for the same. Hello, Ronnie Coleman! 





Title: Re: Mark Dugdale's update (2011-08-30 )
Post by: DroppingPlates on September 01, 2011, 12:19:54 PM
The simple true is that they lie.  You could not be a true follower of the Christ and be such a dumbfuck drug addicted, shithead of a human being as these assclowns are.  Fuck their false faith.

Just pray while injecting and you're safe  ;D


Title: Re: Mark Dugdale's update (2011-08-30 )
Post by: Purge_WTF on September 01, 2011, 12:20:13 PM
those are not jesus' words, fool. we were discussing christianity alone.

  Oh, so we should just completely forsake any of the books outside of the Gospels themselves? Nope, sorry.


Title: Re: Mark Dugdale's update (2011-08-30 )
Post by: tbombz on September 01, 2011, 12:54:37 PM
 Oh, so we should just completely forsake any of the books outside of the Gospels themselves? Nope, sorry.
its historical fact that the old testament was simply stories passed down from generation to generation. nothing more than ancient mans best attempts at explaining God. theres no reason to believe God would have made himself more known to ancient man than to us today. why would he make it so easy for the people in the old testament to have faith, being that he would talk to them directly and such, and leave us modern souls out to pasture with nothing to go by and tons of science proving his old testament false? the logic indicates that the bible is nothing more than a book written by man.  the story of jesus has some historical backround indicating some truth and the message therein is infallible; whereas the message of the old testament and other books of the bible are frought with logical inconsistincies, arbitrary guidelines that have no connection to legitemate morality, and stories which contradict scientific fact. to beleive that the words jesus spoke are the truth is simply to believe that god is good and he wants us to love eachother. nothing more. to believe the entire bible as the word of god means god is a weak, revengeful, inconsistant, and fallible deity who lies to his people about how they came about and leaves about 50 generations without any trace of himself. 


Title: Re: Mark Dugdale's update (2011-08-30 )
Post by: maxkane69 on September 01, 2011, 01:43:35 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TMFPpZxP3ic

A midget ,bald,roided,fanatical religious idiot at the water park with his family!
Please Musclecenter avoid starting topic about this kind of garbage video! ::)


Title: Re: Mark Dugdale's update (2011-08-30 )
Post by: DroppingPlates on September 01, 2011, 01:53:42 PM
A midget ,bald,roided,fanatical religious idiot at the water park with his family!
Please Musclecenter avoid starting topic about this kind of garbage video! ::)

Musclecenter is like Jesus, he loves all muscle bears


Title: Re: Mark Dugdale's update (2011-08-30 )
Post by: Fortress on September 01, 2011, 01:59:34 PM
its historical fact that the old testament was simply stories passed down from generation to generation. nothing more than ancient mans best attempts at explaining God. theres no reason to believe God would have made himself more known to ancient man than to us today. why would he make it so easy for the people in the old testament to have faith, being that he would talk to them directly and such, and leave us modern souls out to pasture with nothing to go by and tons of science proving his old testament false? the logic indicates that the bible is nothing more than a book written by man.  the story of jesus has some historical backround indicating some truth and the message therein is infallible; whereas the message of the old testament and other books of the bible are frought with logical inconsistincies, arbitrary guidelines that have no connection to legitemate morality, and stories which contradict scientific fact. to beleive that the words jesus spoke are the truth is simply to believe that god is good and he wants us to love eachother. nothing more. to believe the entire bible as the word of god means god is a weak, revengeful, inconsistant, and fallible deity who lies to his people about how they came about and leaves about 50 generations without any trace of himself. 

Sweet post, dude.


Title: Re: Mark Dugdale's update (2011-08-30 )
Post by: dyslexic on September 02, 2011, 11:27:18 AM
its historical fact that the old testament was simply stories passed down from generation to generation. nothing more than ancient mans best attempts at explaining God. theres no reason to believe God would have made himself more known to ancient man than to us today. why would he make it so easy for the people in the old testament to have faith, being that he would talk to them directly and such, and leave us modern souls out to pasture with nothing to go by and tons of science proving his old testament false? the logic indicates that the bible is nothing more than a book written by man.  the story of jesus has some historical backround indicating some truth and the message therein is infallible; whereas the message of the old testament and other books of the bible are frought with logical inconsistincies, arbitrary guidelines that have no connection to legitemate morality, and stories which contradict scientific fact. to beleive that the words jesus spoke are the truth is simply to believe that god is good and he wants us to love eachother. nothing more. to believe the entire bible as the word of god means god is a weak, revengeful, inconsistant, and fallible deity who lies to his people about how they came about and leaves about 50 generations without any trace of himself. 



Instead of all that, just concentrate on the prophesies that came to pass from the Old Testament to the New Testament. It's much more fulfilling.


Title: Re: Mark Dugdale's update (2011-08-30 )
Post by: tbombz on September 02, 2011, 11:29:50 AM


Instead of all that, just concentrate on the prophesies that came to pass from the Old Testament to the New Testament. It's much more fulfilling.
i refuse to believe god would be a weak, revengeful, unfair being. so therefore i reject the old testament.


Title: Re: Mark Dugdale's update (2011-08-30 )
Post by: Primemuscle on September 02, 2011, 01:02:04 PM
i refuse to believe god would be a weak, revengeful, unfair being. so therefore i reject the old testament.

I'm with you here. If there is a God, then God wants only good for us and God does not punish us for our missteps in life, IMO.


Title: Re: Mark Dugdale's update (2011-08-30 )
Post by: tbombz on September 02, 2011, 01:04:14 PM
I'm with you here. If there is a God, then God wants only good for us and God does not punish us for our missteps in life, IMO.
right

 that doesnt mean we wont have to suffer through emotional turmoil in order to learn how to better though.


Title: Re: Mark Dugdale's update (2011-08-30 )
Post by: Hulkotron on September 02, 2011, 01:15:26 PM
Do you suppose he brought any Tupperwares with broiled chicken breast, brown rice, and broccoli to the water park?


Title: Re: Mark Dugdale's update (2011-08-30 )
Post by: Primemuscle on September 02, 2011, 01:17:18 PM
right

 that doesnt mean we wont have to suffer through emotional turmoil in order to learn how to better though.

Yes, but my guess is that we will do that suffering right here in this life....not in some possible afterlife. Some folks make life a living hell and then try to blame it on someone else.


Title: Re: Mark Dugdale's update (2011-08-30 )
Post by: Primemuscle on September 02, 2011, 01:18:21 PM
Do you suppose he brought any Tupperwares with broiled chicken breast, brown rice, and broccoli to the water park?

Nah, I think he broke his diet that day.


Title: Re: Mark Dugdale's update (2011-08-30 )
Post by: Van_Bilderass on September 02, 2011, 01:19:26 PM
i refuse to believe god would be a weak, revengeful, unfair being. so therefore i reject the old testament.

Well, how do you read NEW TESTAMENT verses like this?

"Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire."- Jude


People pick out whatever they want out of the bible. Christianity goes fine with ANY way of life. Be a sodomite, be a fornicator, be anything. There is literally nothing a Christian can't do. What the bible actually says is utterly meaningless to todays Christians.
An impotent religion.... and thank God for that, or Christians would be like Muslims today.

HOW do homos, for example, read the Romans and still feel their lifestyle is ok?  ??? :D

Quote
18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;

19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed [it] unto them.

20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, [even] his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified [him] not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.

22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,

23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.

24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:

25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.

26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:

27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

28 And even as they did not like to retain God in [their] knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;

29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,

30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,

31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:

32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.



Title: Re: Mark Dugdale's update (2011-08-30 )
Post by: tbombz on September 02, 2011, 01:44:21 PM
Well, how do you read NEW TESTAMENT verses like this?

"Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire."- Jude


People pick out whatever they want out of the bible. Christianity goes fine with ANY way of life. Be a sodomite, be a fornicator, be anything. There is literally nothing a Christian can't do. What the bible actually says is utterly meaningless to todays Christians.
An impotent religion.... and thank God for that, or Christians would be like Muslims today.

HOW do homos, for example, read the Romans and still feel their lifestyle is ok?  ??? :D



because for one jesus didnt preach those things, his message was simple= love each other.

the entire bible was written by men and therefore it has no authority. the story of jesus, whether true or not, is the one religious story that stands the test of logic. thats why its so easy to believe.


Title: Re: Mark Dugdale's update (2011-08-30 )
Post by: Primemuscle on September 02, 2011, 02:19:39 PM
Well, how do you read NEW TESTAMENT verses like this?

"Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire."- Jude


People pick out whatever they want out of the bible. Christianity goes fine with ANY way of life. Be a sodomite, be a fornicator, be anything. There is literally nothing a Christian can't do. What the bible actually says is utterly meaningless to todays Christians.
An impotent religion.... and thank God for that, or Christians would be like Muslims today.

HOW do homos, for example, read the Romans and still feel their lifestyle is ok?  ??? :D



I choose to not judge my lifestyle based on "folklore" which many people believe to be the gospel. That's their choice of course and I don't judge them for making that choice. I judge the quality of my lifestyle based on whether or not I endeavor to do no harm and have no ill feelings toward others. I make mistakes. When I do, I hope I recognize that I have done so and hope not to repeat them in the future.


Title: Re: Mark Dugdale's update (2011-08-30 )
Post by: tbombz on September 02, 2011, 02:20:19 PM
I choose to not judge my lifestyle based on "folklore" which many people believe to be the gospel. That's their choice of course and I don't judge them for making that choice. I judge the quality of my lifestyle based on whether or not I endeavor to do no harm and have no ill feelings toward others. I make mistakes. When I do, I hope I recognize that I have done so and hope not to repeat them in the future.
and you sir are a reasonable, rational man.


Title: Re: Mark Dugdale's update (2011-08-30 )
Post by: dyslexic on September 02, 2011, 02:23:36 PM
i refuse to believe god would be a weak, revengeful, unfair being. so therefore i reject the old testament.


Bud, don't do that.


I understand the New Testament stated "behold all things are new" but you've got to keep it in context. The Church of Christ eliminates  musical instruments from their worship for this very reason, because in the Old Testament there were so many references to praising the Lord with loud noises, clanging symbals, etc, etc... so they figured since "all things became new" that musical instruments should be eliminated from worship. Have you ever heard anything worse than people singing off-key?


The Bible doesn't say to "pray only in English" but I'm sure he loves that too...


Do you get my drift? The Old Testament is there for a reason.


I'm not gonna make this a big blown out argument. I can't believe that we are even being allowed to discuss religion here, but I just want to make sure that we are not making mistakes by "writing off" the Old Testament. There is much to learn there, especially in the prophesies that were fulfilled in the New Testament.


I'm not going to place myself as a martyr here, so I'll bow out gracefully and hope you give it a second thought.

http://www.gotquestions.org/old-testament.html


http://www.answerstom.com/2010/02/why-sould-we-read-old-testament.html


Title: Re: Mark Dugdale's update (2011-08-30 )
Post by: dyslexic on September 02, 2011, 02:27:33 PM
Nutshell: God is unapproachable to sinful mankind. Ignoring the Old Testament, some fail to realize that it is not "God's Love" that enables man to now approach God in prayer. It was the horrible and bloody death of Christ alone. God's love "gave" Jesus to us. (John 3:16)


We depend upon the Old Testament to demonstrate to us much of God’s character and attributes. The New Testament tells us we are now holy, while the Old Testament presents to us what holiness is. This is so with many attributes of God. In the times of the Old Testament, God spoke to us through “the prophets.”


Title: Re: Mark Dugdale's update (2011-08-30 )
Post by: Reeves on September 02, 2011, 02:36:14 PM
because for one jesus didnt preach those things, his message was simple= love each other.

the entire bible was written by men and therefore it has no authority. the story of jesus, whether true or not, is the one religious story that stands the test of logic. thats why its so easy to believe.

You are such a typical fag.  Don't you have a dick waiting somewhere for  you to shit on it.  Oh wait... You call that your "anal orgasm".  Fuck your noise.


Title: Re: Mark Dugdale's update (2011-08-30 )
Post by: tbombz on September 02, 2011, 02:41:36 PM
Nutshell: God is unapproachable to sinful mankind. Ignoring the Old Testament, some fail to realize that it is not "God's Love" that enables man to now approach God in prayer. It was the horrible and bloody death of Christ alone. God's love "gave" Jesus to us. (John 3:16)


We depend upon the Old Testament to demonstrate to us much of God’s character and attributes. The New Testament tells us we are now holy, while the Old Testament presents to us what holiness is. This is so with many attributes of God. In the times of the Old Testament, God spoke to us through “the prophets.”

there are basic scientific facts and logical ideas which refute the validity of the old testament. from the story of creation to a revenge seeking god who enforces arbitrary rules, the stories therein are nothing but tales written by ancient men.  there is some wisdom if you look for it, ancient man was not entirely incapable of understanding god, but they were strongly mistaken in some of their ideas and also for writing them down and passing them off as the word of God.


Title: Re: Mark Dugdale's update (2011-08-30 )
Post by: Reeves on September 02, 2011, 02:43:48 PM
there are basic scientific facts and logical ideas which refute the validity of the old testament. from the story of creation to a revenge seeking god who enforces arbitrary rules, the stories therein are nothing but tales written by ancient men.  there is some wisdom if you look for it, ancient man was not entirely incapable of understanding god, but they were strongly mistaken in some of their ideas and also for writing them down and passing them off as the word of God.

Yup.  And getting assfucked by another man goes against nature too.


Title: Re: Mark Dugdale's update (2011-08-30 )
Post by: Van_Bilderass on September 02, 2011, 02:43:59 PM
I judge the quality of my lifestyle based on whether or not I endeavor to do no harm and have no ill feelings toward others.

I just comment on Christianity and Christians. I don't know if you consider yourself a Christian, but it's interesting how little of the bible todays Christians embrace. That's why, in my opinion, Christianity is so weak and impotent today. Compare to Muslims. There is no moderate Islam like this, where parts of the Koran are ignored.

This is Christianity today:

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Post-God Christianity In The Netherlands

At Protestant churches in Holland, the preachers admit to the the congregants that God does not exist, there is no afterlife, and Jesus was a mortal, if he existed at all. It’s Christianity for a post-belief world. The BBC writes:

   
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“Make the most of life on earth, because it will probably be the only one you get”. The Rev Klaas Hendrikse can offer his congregation little hope of life after death, and he’s not the sort of man to sugar the pill. Mr Hendrikse presides over the Sunday service at the Exodus Church in Gorinchem, central Holland.

    It is part of the mainstream Protestant Church in the Netherlands (PKN), and the service is conventional enough, with hymns, readings from the Bible, and the Lord’s Prayer.

    “Personally I have no talent for believing in life after death,” Mr Hendrikse says. “No, for me our life, our task, is before death.” Nor does Klaas Hendrikse believe that God exists at all as a supernatural thing. “When it happens, it happens down to earth, between you and me, between people, that’s where it can happen. God is not a being at all… it’s a word for experience, or human experience.”

    His book Believing in a Non-Existent God led to calls from more traditionalist Christians for him to be removed. However, a special church meeting decided his views were too widely shared among church thinkers for him to be singled out. A study by the Free University of Amsterdam found that one-in-six clergy in the PKN and six other smaller denominations was either agnostic or atheist.

    Dienie van Wijngaarden, who’s been going to Exodus Church for 20 years, is among lay people attracted to such free thinking. “I think it’s very liberating. [Klaas Hendrikse] is using the Bible in a metaphorical way so I can bring it to my own way of thinking, my own way of doing.”

    Wim De Jong says, “Here you can believe what you want to think for yourself, what you really feel and believe is true.”

    Churches in Amsterdam were hoping to attract such people with a recent open evening. At the Old Church “in the hottest part of the red light district”, the attractions included “speed-dating”.

    Professor Hijme Stoffels of the VU University Amsterdam says it is in such concepts as love that people base their diffuse ideas of religion. “In our society it’s called ’somethingism’,” he says. “There must be ’something’ between heaven and earth, but to call it ‘God’, and even ‘a personal God’, for the majority of Dutch is a bridge too far.

    “Christian churches are in a market situation. They can offer their ideas to a majority of the population which is interested in spirituality or some kind of religion.” To compete in this market of ideas, some Christian groups seem ready virtually to reinvent Christianity. They want the Netherlands to be a laboratory for Christianity, experimenting with radical new ways of understanding the faith.


Title: Re: Mark Dugdale's update (2011-08-30 )
Post by: tbombz on September 02, 2011, 02:46:21 PM
I just comment on Christianity and Christians. I don't know if you consider yourself a Christian, but it's interesting how little of the bible todays Christians embrace. That's why, in my opinion, Christianity is so weak and impotent today. Compare to Muslims. There is no moderate Islam like this, where parts of the Koran are ignored.


theres about double the amount of christians in the world today as there are muslims and the most powerful country in the world is a predominately christian one, whereas most predominately muslim countries are third world. 

islam does appeal to fanatics however since it encourages violence against dissidents.


Title: Re: Mark Dugdale's update (2011-08-30 )
Post by: Reeves on September 02, 2011, 02:47:01 PM
I just comment on Christianity and Christians. I don't know if you consider yourself a Christian, but it's interesting how little of the bible todays Christians embrace. That's why, in my opinion, Christianity is so weak and impotent today. Compare to Muslims. There is no moderate Islam like this, where parts of the Koran are ignored.



The only "moderate islime" is when those assclowns run out of ammunition.  FTN.


Title: Re: Mark Dugdale's update (2011-08-30 )
Post by: GroinkTropin on September 02, 2011, 05:55:41 PM
Because they are hypocrites. They choose to follow certain parts of the bible and disregard other parts (like most theists). According to the bible, your body is a temple of the holy spirit. I am sure 'God' wouldn't want someone destroying their bodies with tons of drugs. It wreaks of hypocrisy. Most christians are supposed to be moral people. I didn't know buying illegal drugs was moral?  :-X :-X

Oh gee, Branches love of God while he sticks needles in his ass and hunts innocent animals. What an idiot.  ::) ::)

Since when is a bodybuilder destroying his body? Do you not realize what you claim is an oxymoron?


Title: Re: Mark Dugdale's update (2011-08-30 )
Post by: WillGrant on September 02, 2011, 05:58:27 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/lzE4C.jpg)


Title: Re: Mark Dugdale's update (2011-08-30 )
Post by: kiwiol on September 02, 2011, 06:06:19 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/lzE4C.jpg)

lmao


Title: Re: Mark Dugdale's update (2011-08-30 )
Post by: Primemuscle on September 02, 2011, 11:11:54 PM
You are such a typical fag.  Don't you have a dick waiting somewhere for  you to shit on it.  Oh wait... You call that your "anal orgasm".  Fuck your noise.

Is your post an example of how a good Christian speaks to folks?


Title: Re: Mark Dugdale's update (2011-08-30 )
Post by: DroppingPlates on September 03, 2011, 12:37:09 AM
Many Jesus nuthuggers here, I wonder why they joined the thunder place, called getbig  ???


Title: Re: Mark Dugdale's update (2011-08-30 )
Post by: Reeves on September 03, 2011, 07:12:35 AM
Is you post an example of how a good Christian speaks to folks?

I'm an atheist, sport.  But you already knew that, didn't you, because if you've ever read nearly anything I post (and you undoubtedly have) and you knew how a true believer of the Christ behaves (and you undoubtedly do), then you would realize that no, I am not Christian . 

This was possibly just your lame attempt to belittle Christ by associating a fake christian with Jesus of Nazareth and saying, "Look at how christians behave!  Blah, blah, blah, ad infinitum."

Fuck that noise. Get on the short school bus with dark windows if you think I'm either christian or Christian.


Title: Re: Mark Dugdale's update (2011-08-30 )
Post by: Reeves on September 03, 2011, 07:20:45 AM
Many Jesus nuthuggers here, I wonder why they joined the thunder place, called getbig  ???

It's probably due to their having an interest in bodybuilding.  I'm relatively certain that's it, just as I'm certain that you knew that and yet posted your semi-rhetorical question to get a laugh or two form like minded individuals.  No harm, as we all do that from time to time.   ;D

Here to help. Later, kid.


Title: Re: Mark Dugdale's update (2011-08-30 )
Post by: Primemuscle on September 03, 2011, 11:50:59 AM
I'm an atheist, sport.  But you already knew that, didn't you, because if you've ever read nearly anything I post (and you undoubtedly have) and you knew how a true believer of the Christ behaves (and you undoubtedly do), then you would realize that no, I am not Christian . 

This was possibly just your lame attempt to belittle Christ by associating a fake christian with Jesus of Nazareth and saying, "Look at how christians behave!  Blah, blah, blah, ad infinitum."

Fuck that noise. Get on the short school bus with dark windows if you think I'm either christian or Christian.

Well, my mistake! I guess that explains everything. Post as you will.

....Oh, next question; are you a juvenile? Because one could also ask if that is the way an adult speaks to others?


Title: Re: Mark Dugdale's update (2011-08-30 )
Post by: Reeves on September 04, 2011, 10:24:28 AM
Well, my mistake! I guess that explains everything. Post as you will.

....Oh, next question; are you a juvenile? Because one could also ask if that is the way an adult speaks to others?

Nope.  When I talk to children I use very small words with very few syllables.  Notice that I did not speak to you as a child.  Do not go there.  It's not as though I won't suffer a child misbehaving, but an adult acting as a child and think they are clever for doing so?  You are better than that having read more than a few of your postings here on the forums. 

What you posted deserved a rebuttal.  If you care not for the manner in which it was given, then give thought to what you say prior to typing it in.  I have no real or personal problem with you, just your suppostion regarding genuine Christians.

No one is perfect but not all who claim to follow the Christ do so.  The few I know are why I rebuked you.  They do not curse and they live their faith, not just talk it.

Thanks, from a fellow seasoned citizen.   ;D


Title: Re: Mark Dugdale's update (2011-08-30 )
Post by: newmom on September 04, 2011, 10:44:59 AM
Well, lets see, if Dugdale gets caught buying steroids, which is an illegal activity, then he might spend a few years in jail. Thus, his behavior would have a direct effect on his family who now have to fend for themselves. It wouldn't be too moralistic to leave your kids and wife without a father. It is rather selfish of somonee to put their own interests (body) in front of his family interest. And this might be considered pride, which is one of the seven deadly sins. Not very moralistic for a Christian man. And this goes for anyone, not just dugdale.

because MOST bodybuilders think they are untouchable to arrests and ALWAYS put themselves first


Title: Re: Mark Dugdale's update (2011-08-30 )
Post by: DroppingPlates on September 04, 2011, 10:59:28 AM
It's probably due to their having an interest in bodybuilding.  I'm relatively certain that's it, just as I'm certain that you knew that and yet posted your semi-rhetorical question to get a laugh or two form like minded individuals.  No harm, as we all do that from time to time.   ;D

Here to help. Later, kid.

Don't call me "kid", you semi intellectual Milli Vanilli guy


Title: Re: Mark Dugdale's update (2011-08-30 )
Post by: tbombz on September 04, 2011, 11:21:08 AM
Nope.  When I talk to children I use very small words with very few syllables.

and you sir are a douchebag !!


Title: Re: Mark Dugdale's update (2011-08-30 )
Post by: Reeves on September 04, 2011, 12:58:54 PM
and you sir are a douchebag !!

Let me guess... Your birth certificate is printed on the back of an apology from the condom factory.


Title: Re: Mark Dugdale's update (2011-08-30 )
Post by: Fortress on September 04, 2011, 01:00:13 PM
Don't call me "kid", you semi intellectual Milli Vanilli guy

"Girl, you know it's true ... ooh, ooh, oooohhhh, I love youuuu ... "


Title: Re: Mark Dugdale's update (2011-08-30 )
Post by: Reeves on September 04, 2011, 01:02:54 PM
Don't call me "kid", you semi intellectual Milli Vanilli guy

 ;D  Wow... That's it?  I've heard better insults when I was in the third grade, but still an admirable try. ;D

Here you go "Ace", oh, may I call you "Ace"?

Shut up, you'll never be the man your mother is.

Out of 100,000 sperm, you were the quickest?



Here to help, "Ace".   ;)


Title: Re: Mark Dugdale's update (2011-08-30 )
Post by: DroppingPlates on September 04, 2011, 01:18:44 PM
;D  Wow... That's it?  I've heard better insults when I was in the third grade, but still an admirable try. ;D

Here you go "Ace", oh, may I call you "Ace"?

Shut up, you'll never be the man your mother is.

Out of 100,000 sperm, you were the quickest?



Here to help, "Ace".   ;)

LMAO, you should play a cartoon character.
I'm not here to battle with bitches like you.
Hope this helps  :-*


Title: Re: Mark Dugdale's update (2011-08-30 )
Post by: DroppingPlates on September 04, 2011, 01:22:13 PM
"Girl, you know it's true ... ooh, ooh, oooohhhh, I love youuuu ... "

I'll bet that Pilatus bitch sings this refrain each time he thinks he "owned" someone  ::)


Title: Re: Mark Dugdale's update (2011-08-30 )
Post by: Coach is Back! on September 04, 2011, 01:23:05 PM
To be honest, it was not really meant as an attack. More along the lines of a moral dilemma. Akin to cops who buy illegal drugs and engage in criminal activity, yet are supposed to uphold the law. I find it interesting how Christians, as well as other theists, call themselves men of God, yet engage in illegal activity (purchasing of illegal drugs). Now I am obviously very far from perfect; however, I am not claiming to be a man of God either. Its interesting to know how Dugdale reconciles his belief in a God with engaging in illegal activity (purchasing of steroids). But it really wasn't meant to be an attack. Others framed it better than I should have.

1. How you do know he's done anything illegal or any other criminal activity?

2. IMO, it's MUCH worse when a liberal claims to be a Christian then votes for abortion and gay marriage. 50% of Catholics voted for Obama in the last election......again, that is MUCH worse than someone who does steroids.

 



Title: Re: Mark Dugdale's update (2011-08-30 )
Post by: Primemuscle on September 04, 2011, 02:06:31 PM
2. IMO, it's MUCH worse when a liberal claims to be a Christian then votes for abortion and gay marriage. 50% of Catholics voted for Obama in the last election......again, that is MUCH worse than someone who does steroids.

Many Christians support abortion and gay marriage. Episcopalians are Christian and the Episcopal Church has gay ministers. In fact there are several Christian Churches which endorse gay marriages. To see which ones do, go here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blessing_of_same-sex_unions_in_Christian_churches (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blessing_of_same-sex_unions_in_Christian_churches).

My wife is Catholic, and she supports women's rights. She also voted for Obama as did I. In our opinion, he was the best of two choices the voters were given in that election. Otherwise, one would have had to vote for Sarah Palin and that other fellow....John McCain (whatever happened to him anyway?). Liberals don't "claim to be Christian some are Christians. Just as some conservatives are gay. Some conservatives are non-Christian.

Personally, I think you might have a problem with stereotyping folks. Just when you think you know someone, you find out differently.


Title: Re: Mark Dugdale's update (2011-08-30 )
Post by: Primemuscle on September 04, 2011, 02:14:00 PM
Well, lets see, if Dugdale gets caught buying steroids, which is an illegal activity, then he might spend a few years in jail. Thus, his behavior would have a direct effect on his family who now have to fend for themselves. It wouldn't be too moralistic to leave your kids and wife without a father. It is rather selfish of somonee to put their own interests (body) in front of his family interest. And this might be considered pride, which is one of the seven deadly sins. Not very moralistic for a Christian man. And this goes for anyone, not just dugdale.

If Dugdale is a hypocrite, he's got a lot of company. In fact, at one time or another, almost everyone has done something hypocritical. If it weren't for hypocrites, Catholic Priests could abandon the confessionals. Personally, I believe it is hypocritical to "cast stones" as if you have never sinned yourself.


Title: Re: Mark Dugdale's update (2011-08-30 )
Post by: Primemuscle on September 04, 2011, 02:28:41 PM
Nope.  When I talk to children I use very small words with very few syllables.  Notice that I did not speak to you as a child.  Do not go there.  It's not as though I won't suffer a child misbehaving, but an adult acting as a child and think they are clever for doing so?  You are better than that having read more than a few of your postings here on the forums.  

What you posted deserved a rebuttal.  If you care not for the manner in which it was given, then give thought to what you say prior to typing it in.  I have no real or personal problem with you, just your suppostion regarding genuine Christians.

No one is perfect but not all who claim to follow the Christ do so.  The few I know are why I rebuked you.  They do not curse and they live their faith, not just talk it.

Thanks, from a fellow seasoned citizen.   ;D

OK, I give up. Originally, I called you out for posting a profane response to someone else and truthfully, how you choose to speak to others is your business. I didn't know you were an Atheist, so my comments about good Christians doesn't apply to you. However, you are seemingly an intelligent person. I think you could do better than the response I commented about. Just so you know, I have personally experienced people claiming to be good Christians who were hypocrites, judging from their behavior.

Sorry to disappoint you with my lack of thought in one reply. Like most people, I occasionally have a "knee jerk" reaction to what I read. Understandably, how a conversation might go in person could be very different than how it comes across on some blog.

Sometimes I do act like a child....according to my wife.

Incidentally, when talking to children, it has been my experience that it is better to speak to them as adults. This is how they learn. If one talks only "child talk" to children, that's all they'll ever know. I feel this way about "baby talk" too. My parents talked baby talk to my adopted sister. She's fifty-something today and she still sounds like a baby talking. I love her anyway.


Title: Re: Mark Dugdale's update (2011-08-30 )
Post by: D.O.U.P on September 04, 2011, 02:30:46 PM
If Dugdale is a hypocrite, he's got a lot of company. In fact, at one time or another, almost everyone has done something hypocritical. If it weren't for hypocrites, Catholic Priests could abandon the confessionals. Personally, it believe it is hypocritical to "cast stones" as if you have never sinned yourself.

Yep.


Title: Re: Mark Dugdale's update (2011-08-30 )
Post by: newmom on September 04, 2011, 02:58:07 PM
Don't call me "kid", you semi intellectual Milli Vanilli guy

lmaooooooooooooooooooooo ooo

Let me guess... Your birth certificate is printed on the back of an apology from the condom factory.

LMAO


Title: Re: Mark Dugdale's update (2011-08-30 )
Post by: mass 04 on September 04, 2011, 03:13:39 PM
Only on getbig could a video of a muscleman going down a water slide turn into a 5 page religious debate.


Title: Re: Mark Dugdale's update (2011-08-30 )
Post by: Primemuscle on September 04, 2011, 05:25:20 PM
Only on getbig could a video of a muscleman going down a water slide turn into a 5 page religious debate.

I was thinking the same thing. Some of the young folks here must be really bored, since they seem to have so much time on their hands to debate/digress about someone they don't even know. Just so you know, my excuse is that I am retired and do have a lot of free time on my hands these days. Should I be looking for a better way to spend my time?


Title: Re: Mark Dugdale's update (2011-08-30 )
Post by: DK II on September 04, 2011, 05:29:00 PM
the hypocrisy comes in the "fact" that god created man in his own image, and drugdale is altering that image, thereby defying god.  capisce, tdongz?

hahahaah, does that mean you have to stay the way you were born all your life??

People get fat or lose weight, you know, is that against God as well??


Title: Re: Mark Dugdale's update (2011-08-30 )
Post by: YngiweRhoads on September 04, 2011, 06:13:55 PM
hahahaah, does that mean you have to stay the way you were born all your life??

People get fat or lose weight, you know, is that against God as well??

Yep.



Title: Re: Mark Dugdale's update (2011-08-30 )
Post by: DK II on September 04, 2011, 06:34:41 PM
Yep.



The problem with christianity is that man is a sinner and basically everything in daily life that is fun is against the will of god.  ::) ::)


Title: Re: Mark Dugdale's update (2011-08-30 )
Post by: Reeves on September 04, 2011, 06:50:07 PM
I was thinking the same thing. Some of the young folks here must be really bored, since they seem to have so much time on their hands to debate/digress about someone they don't even know. Just so you know, my excuse is that I am retired and do have a lot of free time on my hands these days. Should I be looking for a better way to spend my time?

Nope.  I would say that reading and posting here are just two of the many ways for you to keep your mind active.  You probably engage in a variety of activities as well that stimulate both mind and body.  For the most part, it's all good.


Title: Re: Mark Dugdale's update (2011-08-30 )
Post by: YngiweRhoads on September 04, 2011, 06:51:52 PM
The problem with christianity is that man is a sinner and basically everything in daily life that is fun is against the will of god.  ::) ::)

Yep again.  

I'm sure posting here is a sin as well. ;D


Title: Re: Mark Dugdale's update (2011-08-30 )
Post by: christinafitness on September 04, 2011, 07:06:53 PM
I am so sick of hearing that he is a "family man" and that he "found God."
Who gives a shit! Doesn't make him better than all the others that weren't born rich.


Title: Re: Mark Dugdale's update (2011-08-30 )
Post by: Primemuscle on September 04, 2011, 07:40:28 PM
I am so sick of hearing that he is a "family man" and that he "found God."
Who gives a shit! Doesn't make him better than all the others that weren't born rich.

When folks tell me they have found God, I am happy for them. I happen not to believe in God in the usual sense. So, to me finding God doesn't make them any better than another person, but it also doesn't make them any worse. As for being born rich, I don't get the reference here.

When people are proud of being a family person, I think that is good for them as well. I too happen to be a family man. I know great people who are not interested in having a family as well. The important thing is that whether it is being a family man or finding God, if being these things floats your boat, more power to you that you have found them. There are some poor suckers out there who never find themselves (in a happy place).


Title: Re: Mark Dugdale's update (2011-08-30 )
Post by: DK II on September 04, 2011, 07:41:51 PM
I am so sick of hearing that he is a "family man" and that he "found God."
Who gives a shit! Doesn't make him better than all the others that weren't born rich.

Hi Mrs Drugdale!