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Title: Will never cycle again without masteron!
Post by: makaveli25 on September 23, 2011, 02:27:16 PM
Just thought I would let you guys know how well masteron has worked for me this summer. I basically wanted to do a re-comp cycle with sustanon and masteron. I wanted to loose bf gain some lean muscle and keep the bloat to a minimum. Cycles prior to this one anything over 300mg of test was giving me a double chin with bad estro sides.

This time around I really got my diet in check. I lost at least 5% bodyfat and I have nice veins coming in all over my shoulders arms and chest.
My delts even have  a little bit of a cap to them not sure if that's from the masteron or test.

I started cycle of with 150mg eod of masteron. I didn't run any test for the first two weeks. This allowed me to get my estrogen under control while I was getting use to my diet. I really hardened up in these two weeks. The  next few weeks I added 1 amp of human grade sustanon ew. I started to fill out nicely and really felt awesome. I increased the test dose 2 amps ew and then finally 3. I was able to lower my masteron dose to 100mg eod. I don't have the fat moon face or any estro sides this time around. I felt and looked my best this summer. I mixed in a little bit of dbol every so often to keep things interesting.

Masteron is an awesome compound! It really helped me lean down. Gave me extra horsepower in the gym. It really bring the vascularity out! If you're one of those guys that has a hard time running a decent amount of test because of bloat give masteron a try. And lean out a little bit before you add the test. I will include masteron in all my cycles from now on even if it's a small dose. My body can't handle tren I think masteron is the next best thing.

People say it's an overrated compound maybe they're not getting the real thing. It beats taking ais everyday they never worked well for me.
Next cycle I want to try test, deca, and masteron. I've never used deca before.


Title: Re: Will never cycle again without masteron!
Post by: hangclean on September 23, 2011, 02:42:18 PM
Masteron is great stuff.  Test+mast is the best stack if you are going to be having a lot of sex.  nothing beats those two compounds together for that. 


Title: Re: Will never cycle again without masteron!
Post by: nosleep on September 23, 2011, 09:47:41 PM
SHIT WAS FUCKING FANTASTIC.TOOK 50MG M-W-F-S.

IT MADE MY HAIR LINE RECEDE A BIT BUT NOW EVEN 12 DAYS REMOVED FROM IT,ITS FINE AND GROWING STRONG AGAIN.THAT'D BE WHY ID NEVER USE IT CONSTANTLY...BUT IN TERMS OF BODYBUILDING EFFECTS YEAH AWESOME, LIBIDO WISE TOO.


Title: Re: Will never cycle again without masteron!
Post by: LittleJ on September 23, 2011, 10:35:40 PM
How does it help sex?


Title: Re: Will never cycle again without masteron!
Post by: Meso_z on September 23, 2011, 11:14:55 PM
Never tried it man....im thinking of trying it this upcomming spring..

Is it expensive? what brand where you running?


Title: Re: Will never cycle again without masteron!
Post by: Rickyboy on September 24, 2011, 12:28:09 AM
Just thought I would let you guys know how well masteron has worked for me this summer. I basically wanted to do a re-comp cycle with sustanon and masteron. I wanted to loose bf gain some lean muscle and keep the bloat to a minimum. Cycles prior to this one anything over 300mg of test was giving me a double chin with bad estro sides.

This time around I really got my diet in check. I lost at least 5% bodyfat and I have nice veins coming in all over my shoulders arms and chest.
My delts even have  a little bit of a cap to them not sure if that's from the masteron or test.

I started cycle of with 150mg eod of masteron. I didn't run any test for the first two weeks. This allowed me to get my estrogen under control while I was getting use to my diet. I really hardened up in these two weeks. The  next few weeks I added 1 amp of human grade sustanon ew. I started to fill out nicely and really felt awesome. I increased the test dose 2 amps ew and then finally 3. I was able to lower my masteron dose to 100mg eod. I don't have the fat moon face or any estro sides this time around. I felt and looked my best this summer. I mixed in a little bit of dbol every so often to keep things interesting.

Masteron is an awesome compound! It really helped me lean down. Gave me extra horsepower in the gym. It really bring the vascularity out! If you're one of those guys that has a hard time running a decent amount of test because of bloat give masteron a try. And lean out a little bit before you add the test. I will include masteron in all my cycles from now on even if it's a small dose. My body can't handle tren I think masteron is the next best thing.

People say it's an overrated compound maybe they're not getting the real thing. It beats taking ais everyday they never worked well for me.
Next cycle I want to try test, deca, and masteron. I've never used deca before.

How many cals were you taking a day? How much cardio did you do?


Title: Re: Will never cycle again without masteron!
Post by: whitewidow on September 24, 2011, 01:59:43 AM
Masteron(drostanolone propionate) is the shit. I wouldnt take it unless your 6% BF or less otherwise you wont see how magic this drug really is. Its definately one of those finishing touch steroids but I think it is a very important compound especially if you compete. I think Using masteron propionate 100-200 everyday for last 4 weeks of a cycle is the way to go. very underrated compound. masteron stacked with some trenbolone 100mg ed Test prop 100mg ed and some halotestin tablets 30-50mg daily and you will be rock hard with veins running through your ass! always use
masteron propionate. Masteron enanthate is a waste-IMO. say what you want about the old british dragon but their first few runs of masteron propionate were the shit! dosed right on point and made with 98% pure raw material.


Title: Re: Will never cycle again without masteron!
Post by: nosleep on September 24, 2011, 08:11:21 AM
I DO NOT THINK U HAVE TO BE 6% OR BELOW...IT WORKS GREAT ON GUYS WITH HIGH ESTRO(LIKE OP STATED).SO EVEN 10-12%,IT'LL HELP YOU GET TO 7-8 FASTER.

THIS 6% OR LESS I THINK IS A MYTH.


Title: Re: Will never cycle again without masteron!
Post by: claymore on September 24, 2011, 01:56:34 PM
I DO NOT THINK U HAVE TO BE 6% OR BELOW...IT WORKS GREAT ON GUYS WITH HIGH ESTRO(LIKE OP STATED).SO EVEN 10-12%,IT'LL HELP YOU GET TO 7-8 FASTER.

THIS 6% OR LESS I THINK IS A MYTH.

Agreed


Title: Re: Will never cycle again without masteron!
Post by: MuscleMcMannus on September 24, 2011, 02:04:31 PM
Masteron(drostanolone propionate) is the shit. I wouldnt take it unless your 6% BF or less otherwise you wont see how magic this drug really is. Its definately one of those finishing touch steroids but I think it is a very important compound especially if you compete. I think Using masteron propionate 100-200 everyday for last 4 weeks of a cycle is the way to go. very underrated compound. masteron stacked with some trenbolone 100mg ed Test prop 100mg ed and some halotestin tablets 30-50mg daily and you will be rock hard with veins running through your ass! always use
masteron propionate. Masteron enanthate is a waste-IMO. say what you want about the old british dragon but their first few runs of masteron propionate were the shit! dosed right on point and made with 98% pure raw material.

Oh please this whole "finishing touch" compound stuff is complete and utter bullshit.  Steroids either work or they dont.  People said the same shit about Primo.  Until I actually tried HG primo at 600mg a week I used to believe them too.  Primo is FUCKING AWESOME!  I'll never not incorporate it into my cycle now.  Real primo is amazing.  Problem is most people probably who say the same shit that you do either aren't doing something right i.e. dieting, whatever or have bunk shit.  UG primo doesn't  even compare to the real Bayer shit I've used.  Masteron is not a  finsihing drug.  It may not work well about alone but in conjuction with other shit it's awesome.  Masteron and Anavar summer of 09 was amazing.....never been that shredded in my life.  Too bad all the anavar since then was fucking shitty underdosed UG crap. 


Title: Re: Will never cycle again without masteron!
Post by: nosleep on September 24, 2011, 09:07:26 PM
Oh please this whole "finishing touch" compound stuff is complete and utter bullshit.  Steroids either work or they dont.  People said the same shit about Primo.  Until I actually tried HG primo at 600mg a week I used to believe them too.  Primo is FUCKING AWESOME!  I'll never not incorporate it into my cycle now.  Real primo is amazing.  Problem is most people probably who say the same shit that you do either aren't doing something right i.e. dieting, whatever or have bunk shit.  UG primo doesn't  even compare to the real Bayer shit I've used.  Masteron is not a  finsihing drug.  It may not work well about alone but in conjuction with other shit it's awesome.  Masteron and Anavar summer of 09 was amazing.....never been that shredded in my life.  Too bad all the anavar since then was fucking shitty underdosed UG crap. 

AGREED.I THINK ITS BETTER ACTUALLY IF UR A WATERY/ESTRO/FATTY IN THE HIGH SINGLES,LOW DOUBLES...IT'LL HELP YOU GET DRIER FASTER.


Title: Re: Will never cycle again without masteron!
Post by: WillGrant on September 24, 2011, 09:21:45 PM
The cap on your delts is more to do with actualy having delts and low bf  % :D


Title: Re: Will never cycle again without masteron!
Post by: nosleep on September 24, 2011, 09:24:02 PM
The cap on your delts is more to do with actualy having delts and low bf  % :D

YOU CANNOT DENY DRUGS HELP THE CAP LOOK THOUGH.

EVEN GH, MAINLY GH REALLY.


Title: Re: Will never cycle again without masteron!
Post by: WillGrant on September 24, 2011, 09:42:56 PM
YOU CANNOT DENY DRUGS HELP THE CAP LOOK THOUGH.

EVEN GH, MAINLY GH REALLY.
Oh yes of course because drugs = more muscle  :D - but the lower bf% is what really makes it stand out.. thats why being lean makes you look bigger than you are


Title: Re: Will never cycle again without masteron!
Post by: StanZoLOL on September 24, 2011, 11:11:01 PM
Good to hear. Just got hold of some Alpha Pharma Masterona. :D


Title: Re: Will never cycle again without masteron!
Post by: CAPTAIN INSANO on September 25, 2011, 06:13:23 AM
Mast Great Drug but not for those w/ MPB

I took ~350-400 mg/ week and kept me nice and dry at least  ;)


Title: Re: Will never cycle again without masteron!
Post by: nosleep on September 25, 2011, 08:03:06 AM
Mast Great Drug but not for those w/ MPB

I took ~350-400 mg/ week and kept me nice and dry at least  ;)

FUNNY CAUSE NOBODY IN MY FAMILY HAS BALDNESS,BUT WHEN I USED MASTERON MY HAIRLINE WAS DEFINITELY RECEDING.


Title: Re: Will never cycle again without masteron!
Post by: CAPTAIN INSANO on September 25, 2011, 08:22:32 AM
FUNNY CAUSE NOBODY IN MY FAMILY HAS BALDNESS,BUT WHEN I USED MASTERON MY HAIRLINE WAS DEFINITELY RECEDING.

YUP THAT DHT CRAWL RIGHT UP YOUR SPINE TO TOP OF YOUR HEAD AND THIN HAIRS  :-\  :-\ ALONG WITH TRENBOLONA


Title: Re: Will never cycle again without masteron!
Post by: nosleep on September 25, 2011, 08:29:32 AM
YUP THAT DHT CRAWL RIGHT UP YOUR SPINE TO TOP OF YOUR HEAD AND THIN HAIRS  :-\  :-\ ALONG WITH TRENBOLONA

AH FUCK.HAVENT USED THAT THEM THERE TRENBOLONA YET BUT WHEN I DO IM USING WITH SOME PROP AND MAST.

FUCKKK. I KNOW WHAT GETS MY HAIR GROWING THERE..SOME COCONUT OIL OVERNIGHT IN HAIR, SHAMPOO IN MORNING..AND THIS SHITTY SUPPLEMENT I BOUGHT 2 YEARS AGO CALLED TOCO-8.USED IT FOR 60 DAYS AND SHIT I HAD TO GET HAIR CUTS EVERY WEEK. DIDNT REALIZE ONCE I GOT OFF OF IT THAT MY HAIR GREW FAST.

WILL USE AGAIN THEN. CANT GO BALD.


Title: Re: Will never cycle again without masteron!
Post by: tbombz on September 25, 2011, 10:45:05 AM
whenever i get serious about dieting down and get some money masteron will be used in high doses.


125mg mast ed
125mg tren ed
DNP 200 mg per day
and if money allows 10iu gh per day.


^ that cycle is worth thousands of dollars to aspiring bodybuilders..   given to you free of charge from tbombz..  :D


Title: Re: Will never cycle again without masteron!
Post by: Lord of the Roidz on September 25, 2011, 11:10:12 AM
whenever i get serious about dieting down and get some money masteron will be used in high doses.


125mg mast ed
125mg tren ed
DNP 200 mg per day
and if money allows 10iu gh per day.


^ that cycle is worth thousands of dollars to aspiring bodybuilders..   given to you free of charge from tbombz..  :D
The DNP is not needed, plus is toxic and can make one feel like crap. Why take something that makes you feel like shit ?Terrible advice. Have some discipline and actually diet..instead of taking a substance designed to kill bugs and be used in explosives.


Title: Re: Will never cycle again without masteron!
Post by: tbombz on September 25, 2011, 01:28:04 PM
The DNP is not needed, plus is toxic and can make one feel like crap. Why take something that makes you feel like shit ?Terrible advice. Have some discipline and actually diet..instead of taking a substance designed to kill bugs and be used in explosives.
DNP IS NEEDED cuz i aint starvin myself biatch  ;D


Title: Re: Will never cycle again without masteron!
Post by: lowkey9 on September 25, 2011, 03:34:28 PM
The DNP is not needed, plus is toxic and can make one feel like crap. Why take something that makes you feel like shit ?Terrible advice. Have some discipline and actually diet..instead of taking a substance designed to kill bugs and be used in explosives.

200mg dnp will have very little sides, just a tiny bit of sweating and lethargy, that's all.  The crazy sides you hear about from dnp are from 500mg+ ed.


Title: Re: Will never cycle again without masteron!
Post by: makaveli25 on September 25, 2011, 03:38:08 PM
Masteron and test is awesome! It's not just a finishing drug. Someone wrote that stupid profile years ago and people still parrot that information. I had terrible sides with tren. Masteron gives similar effects without the dramatic gain in lbm.


Title: Re: Will never cycle again without masteron!
Post by: Arnold jr on September 25, 2011, 07:52:31 PM
DNP IS NEEDED cuz i aint starvin myself biatch  ;D

Have you done it before? If so how did it go?


Title: Re: Will never cycle again without masteron!
Post by: nosleep on September 25, 2011, 08:39:41 PM
Have you done it before? If so how did it go?

READ SOMEWHERE THAT 100MG/DAY CAN BE RUN FOR LONGER DURATIONS WITH ACTUAL BENEFITS-DIETING OR OFFSEASON. SOMETHING FROM HERNON'S CAMP. NEVER TRIED IT BUT MIGHT.


Title: Re: Will never cycle again without masteron!
Post by: nosleep on September 25, 2011, 08:46:10 PM
Oh yes of course because drugs = more muscle  :D - but the lower bf% is what really makes it stand out.. thats why being lean makes you look bigger than you are

SO I WASNT FAT A FEW MONTHS AGO?

I DROPPED FROM WHAT I CAN TELL ABOUT 5% BODY FAT, DELTS BARELY IMPROVED IN TERMS OF STANDING OUT...ALWAYS CAPPED, VEINY, AND WIDE EVEN WHEN FAT/WATER LOGGED. I JUST LOST A LOT ON MY FACE AND STOMACH AND LOWER BACK. I THINK IT WAS WATER I GUESS. CAME OFF PRETTY FAST.


Title: Re: Will never cycle again without masteron!
Post by: lowkey9 on September 25, 2011, 09:23:57 PM
READ SOMEWHERE THAT 100MG/DAY CAN BE RUN FOR LONGER DURATIONS WITH ACTUAL BENEFITS-DIETING OR OFFSEASON. SOMETHING FROM HERNON'S CAMP. NEVER TRIED IT BUT MIGHT.

200 is fine ed and you'd get used to it real quick

sweats will be similar to moderate to high-ish dosages of tren ace, if you get them from tren.  little bit at night, little bit during the day, bit more when you lift, nothing serious really.  bit of e/c before any lifting session will offset any lethargy 200mg dnp is going to induce.

edit; as far as running 100mg goes, caps dosed like this are harder to find, most are 200-250 a cap.


Title: Re: Will never cycle again without masteron!
Post by: Arnold jr on September 25, 2011, 10:08:49 PM
100% AGREED ON FIRST PART,NEVER TRIED TREN SO CANNOT COMMENT.

THAT FUCKING BULLSHIT OF 6% OR LESS, TAKE UR SHIT SOMEWHERE ELSE WHITEWIDOW U DUMB #girl. IT'S GREAT ANY BF% FOR US ESTRO-BOYS.


I think all WW is saying is that the results in-terms of total conditioning as far as what you see looking back at you in the mirror will be far more pronounced if you're at a lower level of body-fat. This is true for a lot of steroids such as Masteron, Winstrol, Anavar, Primobolan and even Tren to a degree. I don't think he's saying these steroids won't work if you're at a higher BF%.


Title: Re: Will never cycle again without masteron!
Post by: nosleep on September 25, 2011, 10:17:39 PM
I think all WW is saying is that the results in-terms of total conditioning as far as what you see looking back at you in the mirror will be far more pronounced if you're at a lower level of body-fat. This is true for a lot of steroids such as Masteron, Winstrol, Anavar, Primobolan and even Tren to a degree. I don't think he's saying these steroids won't work if you're at a higher BF%.

YEAH.THAT GOES FOR EVERYTHING...BUT FOR HIM TO MAKE A STATEMENT LIKE "U MUST BE...", IS JUST A BLANKET STATEMENT.

HE NEEDS TO GET LOST.



Title: Re: Will never cycle again without masteron!
Post by: hangclean on September 25, 2011, 10:23:41 PM
YEAH.THAT GOES FOR EVERYTHING...BUT FOR HIM TO MAKE A STATEMENT LIKE "U MUST BE...", IS JUST A BLANKET STATEMENT.

HE NEEDS TO GET LOST.
honestly, masteron does not do much for you @ higher bodyfat as far as how your physique looks.  However, it will make you a sexual tyrannosaurus at any bodyfat, so it is worth it for that.


Title: Re: Will never cycle again without masteron!
Post by: whitewidow on September 26, 2011, 02:12:04 AM
It will work at any Bf% but if you really want to see  how it can change your physique use it when you are as lean as you can get. masteron is a cutting steroid its not made to bulk!The guys I know including myself do not incorporate masteron in their cycle until maybe the last 4 weeks of a cycle when they are around 6% believe me or not you will see some serious results in the mirror if you use masteron at a low BF%. However as I stated above it will work at higher BF% but why use masteron if your 15% BF you wont see what it can really do appearence wise. the guys who are 6% and use masteron for 4 weeks or going to be very striated and have rock hard muscle density with increased vascularity. Primobolon as someone mentioned is fine to use in a bulk cycle or cutting cycle totally diffrent drug than masteron I dont see why you would even compare the two. primo is highly underrated and I think people do not use it as much due to the price and fakes out there. most BB would laugh at anybody using masteron unless they were very lean. get 6% BF% then try some masteron and you will see the diffrence. it is no trenbolone and yes it is one of those steroids that is like icing on the cake. sorry but its true. ask any pro. This is my opinion but you guys can spend your money and use any AAS however you want to, and as for masteron enanthate dont piss your money away on it!


Title: Re: Will never cycle again without masteron!
Post by: whitewidow on September 26, 2011, 02:17:01 AM
Oh please this whole "finishing touch" compound stuff is complete and utter bullshit.  Steroids either work or they dont.  People said the same shit about Primo.  Until I actually tried HG primo at 600mg a week I used to believe them too.  Primo is FUCKING AWESOME!  I'll never not incorporate it into my cycle now.  Real primo is amazing.  Problem is most people probably who say the same shit that you do either aren't doing something right i.e. dieting, whatever or have bunk shit.  UG primo doesn't  even compare to the real Bayer shit I've used.  Masteron is not a  finsihing drug.  It may not work well about alone but in conjuction with other shit it's awesome.  Masteron and Anavar summer of 09 was amazing.....never been that shredded in my life.  Too bad all the anavar since then was fucking shitty underdosed UG crap. 

I agree primo is underrated. sounds like you had a good cutting stack but do you know what your bf% was before you started and when you ended? sounds like you were somewhat lean. there def are icing on the cake steroids that you really only want to use for 4 weeks. halotestin is def one of them and masteron-Imo


Title: Re: Will never cycle again without masteron!
Post by: whitewidow on September 26, 2011, 03:11:28 AM
whenever i get serious about dieting down and get some money masteron will be used in high doses.


125mg mast ed
125mg tren ed
DNP 200 mg per day
and if money allows 10iu gh per day.


^ that cycle is worth thousands of dollars to aspiring bodybuilders..   given to you free of charge from tbombz..  :D

DNP is pure shit! DNP has sent more people to the ER than any other exotic I know of. It raises your blood pressure dramatically giving the user hypertension if they are not careful about how much they use. and just the tiniest bit extra can be the diffrence. very crappy drug-IMO.  everything else looks good though. You can keep using the dnp but i would use a diffrent fat burner if I were you.If you dont compete dont risk your health like that! DNP is very underrated lucky the majority of the dnp on the market is crap. every once in awhile a real potent batch will pop up and people end up in the ER all the time from DNP use.just my opinion --do what you do.


Title: Re: Will never cycle again without masteron!
Post by: whitewidow on September 26, 2011, 03:21:01 AM
100% AGREED ON FIRST PART,NEVER TRIED TREN SO CANNOT COMMENT.

THAT FUCKING BULLSHIT OF 6% OR LESS, TAKE UR SHIT SOMEWHERE ELSE WHITEWIDOW U DUMB #girl. IT'S GREAT ANY BF% FOR US ESTRO-BOYS.


Ok use it at your 16% and then use it at 6% and tell me at what percentage could you notice in the mirror the most diffrence in your physique if you say 16% your crazy! its def a finishing touch drug thats used when your maybe 4 weeks out from a show. You can use it when your bigger it will work but you wont notice the diffrence when your at 6% when you use at 6% you start getting striations, vascularity in places you normally dont get vascular, strength is great while on a minimal diet. talk to any pro they dont use masteron when they are over 6%. I guess if your a gymrat it dosnt matter but its mainly meant to use for a short period of time say 4 weeks before game day shot everyday at 100-200mg ED. thats the real way to use masteron. highly androgenic so you might lose some hair like some of you mentioned. One thing I cant stress enough is to use the drostanolone propionate f$$$ the enanthate.


Title: Re: Will never cycle again without masteron!
Post by: Schmoe Buster on September 26, 2011, 05:01:58 AM
Yes Masteron when you are low singles BF is awesome, as whitewidows states, 4 weeks shoot everyday and you see changes fast ;)

WW what do you think are the benefits of using Primo and what would be the ideal dose for someone around 225lbs at 10% bf?

Not sure what your goal is and what other drugs your stacking. someone who weighs 225pds could easily handle doing a shot of primo 200mg EOD if not ED depending what your goal is. due to the price of it it is not very popular but it is very underrated AAS.


Title: Re: Will never cycle again without masteron!
Post by: BiGHer on September 26, 2011, 06:51:32 AM
I love Masteron's AE and drying effects.  I was running Test/Deca for a while and got a bit bloofy.  Threw Masteron in and a week later my training partner goes "Hey!  Your jaw line is back!"  HAHA. 


Title: Re: Will never cycle again without masteron!
Post by: nosleep on September 26, 2011, 07:03:25 AM
Ok use it at your 16% and then use it at 6% and tell me at what percentage could you notice in the mirror the most diffrence in your physique if you say 16% your crazy! its def a finishing touch drug thats used when your maybe 4 weeks out from a show.

TRY THAT WITH TREN ACE, TRY THAT WITH ADROL. EVERYTHING IS BETTER WHEN LEANER.

IM SAYING ITS CERTAINLY USEFUL WHEN UR AN ESTRO PRONE BOY.



Title: Re: Will never cycle again without masteron!
Post by: hangclean on September 26, 2011, 09:27:44 AM
TRY THAT WITH TREN ACE, TRY THAT WITH ADROL. EVERYTHING IS BETTER WHEN LEANER.

IM SAYING ITS CERTAINLY USEFUL WHEN UR AN ESTRO PRONE BOY.


The difference with tren an anadrol is that you will see significant changes no matter how lean you are (strength, body comp).  If you have high bodyfat, masteron really will not do much for you in either aspect.  Using masteron to control estrogen really is not ideal, by the way.  If your estro is really high, it's not going to do much.


Title: Re: Will never cycle again without masteron!
Post by: nosleep on September 26, 2011, 10:44:02 AM
The difference with tren an anadrol is that you will see significant changes no matter how lean you are (strength, body comp).  If you have high bodyfat, masteron really will not do much for you in either aspect.  Using masteron to control estrogen really is not ideal, by the way.  If your estro is really high, it's not going to do much.

NO THATS WHY IM SAYING THATS WRONG.

WHAT DID THE OP STATE.HE'S SENSITIVE TO ESTRO SIDES FROM TEST(LIKE ME). MASTERON ALLEVIATED THAT AT A RELATIVELY HIGH BF(HIGH SINGLES,LOW DOUBLES).IT DID EXACTLY WHAT YOU SAID IT WOULD NOT DO.



Title: Re: Will never cycle again without masteron!
Post by: lowkey9 on September 26, 2011, 11:33:51 AM
DNP is pure shit! DNP has sent more people to the ER than any other exotic I know of. It raises your blood pressure dramatically giving the user hypertension if they are not careful about how much they use. and just the tiniest bit extra can be the diffrence. very crappy drug-IMO.  everything else looks good though. You can keep using the dnp but i would use a diffrent fat burner if I were you.If you dont compete dont risk your health like that! DNP is very underrated lucky the majority of the dnp on the market is crap. every once in awhile a real potent batch will pop up and people end up in the ER all the time from DNP use.just my opinion --do what you do.

i don't think you know what you're talking about at all, 500mg dnp had zero effect on my bp.  have you ever even used it?  and he suggested 200mg, which like i said will have very little sides, suggesting to me that you've never even touched the shit.

in the long run shit like clen and t3 are a whole lot worse for you.

what the fuck does a "real potent batch" mean anyway?  there is powder and there is crystal (which is 80% dnp), dosed correctly it all does the same shit.


Title: Re: Will never cycle again without masteron!
Post by: tstmaniac on September 26, 2011, 12:53:41 PM
I DO NOT THINK U HAVE TO BE 6% OR BELOW...IT WORKS GREAT ON GUYS WITH HIGH ESTRO(LIKE OP STATED).SO EVEN 10-12%,IT'LL HELP YOU GET TO 7-8 FASTER.

THIS 6% OR LESS I THINK IS A MYTH.

agreed it does help with estrogen and bloat no matter what body fat your at...when i was lean i got hard as fuck from it actually harder than when i took tren....masteron is by far one of my favorite steroids...i just hate how my hair gets all stiff and dried out i gotta shave my head when taking it.


Title: Re: Will never cycle again without masteron!
Post by: hangclean on September 26, 2011, 02:42:30 PM
NO THATS WHY IM SAYING THATS WRONG.

WHAT DID THE OP STATE.HE'S SENSITIVE TO ESTRO SIDES FROM TEST(LIKE ME). MASTERON ALLEVIATED THAT AT A RELATIVELY HIGH BF(HIGH SINGLES,LOW DOUBLES).IT DID EXACTLY WHAT YOU SAID IT WOULD NOT DO.


I'll bet if he went and got a blood test done his estradiol levels would still be high even with the masteron.  If your estrogen is really fucked up. you need a low dose of arimadex at the very least.  Masteron will help to some degree, but not as much as you think.  He might have thought it helped because the mast reduced some of his bloat.


Title: Re: Will never cycle again without masteron!
Post by: MuscleMcMannus on September 26, 2011, 02:59:57 PM
i don't think you know what you're talking about at all, 500mg dnp had zero effect on my bp.  have you ever even used it?  and he suggested 200mg, which like i said will have very little sides, suggesting to me that you've never even touched the shit.

in the long run shit like clen and t3 are a whole lot worse for you.

what the fuck does a "real potent batch" mean anyway?  there is powder and there is crystal (which is 80% dnp), dosed correctly it all does the same shit.

Exactly!  I'm beginning to think this WW clown has never used half the shit he claims for being a "vet".  LOL.  I know 5 guys right now using DNP.....both are getting into fucking amazing shape and have had zero complications...least of all BP issues or sending them to the ER.  In fact over the past year I've known probably 15 guys that have all tried/used DNP and no one had any complications from it except for the infamous side effects.  But their fat loss has been nothing short of amazing.  It CAN be a dangerous drug if you don't know what you are doing......but so can Lasix and fentanyl. 


Title: Re: Will never cycle again without masteron!
Post by: hangclean on September 26, 2011, 03:12:19 PM
Exactly!  I'm beginning to think this WW clown has never used half the shit he claims for being a "vet".  LOL.  I know 5 guys right now using DNP.....both are getting into fucking amazing shape and have had zero complications...least of all BP issues or sending them to the ER.  In fact over the past year I've known probably 15 guys that have all tried/used DNP and no one had any complications from it except for the infamous side effects.  But their fat loss has been nothing short of amazing.  It CAN be a dangerous drug if you don't know what you are doing......but so can Lasix and fentanyl. 
no one uses lasix any more.  There are so many better diuretics.


Title: Re: Will never cycle again without masteron!
Post by: nosleep on September 26, 2011, 04:31:04 PM
I'll bet if he went and got a blood test done his estradiol levels would still be high even with the masteron.  If your estrogen is really fucked up. you need a low dose of arimadex at the very least.  Masteron will help to some degree, but not as much as you think.  He might have thought it helped because the mast reduced some of his bloat.

WELL I USED IT JUST TO SEE WHAT IT'D DO AND IT BEING ONE OF THE SAFER STEROIDS(STEROID TALK). AND IT PROVED TO BE WHAT GH15 SAID IT'D BE.

GH15 GOES AGAINST AI,AE'S...MASTERON IS IT. MASTERON HELPED ME CONTROL ESTROGEN AND THAT IS MY POINT..REGARDLESS OF BF%.


Title: Re: Will never cycle again without masteron!
Post by: LittleJ on September 26, 2011, 04:47:02 PM
Off topic but have y'all tried trinex 200. Its a test prop 100, tren a 50, mast prop 50 blend.


Title: Re: Will never cycle again without masteron!
Post by: whitewidow on September 26, 2011, 05:14:04 PM
i don't think you know what you're talking about at all, 500mg dnp had zero effect on my bp.  have you ever even used it?  and he suggested 200mg, which like i said will have very little sides, suggesting to me that you've never even touched the shit.

in the long run shit like clen and t3 are a whole lot worse for you.

what the fuck does a "real potent batch" mean anyway?  there is powder and there is crystal (which is 80% dnp), dosed correctly it all does the same shit.

Everything I said is the truth masteron is meant to be used in the last 4 weeks in a cycle if you want to use it right. you want to be at your leanest when you use masteron. like I said ask any pro and they will tell you the same thing masteron is meant to be used at the end of a cycle when your just about at your leannest. I have used pretty much every steroid except tren enan and boldenone propionate just cause i was told they were a waste compared to Tren A or just regular boldenone. as for DNP no I admit I have not used it and thats because its all made clandestine and I have seen people get overdosed batches and get hypertension so bad they had to go to the hospital. I wont mention the sources name but he had insanely strong DNP this was Years ago! and alot of people got sick. I just think there are better options then DNP. masteron enanthate, trenbolone enanthate just ways for companys to make more money. always use the masteron propionate or tren acetetate form. ive been using for 6 years thats enough time to use all these compounds. only compounds I have not tried are DNP, Boldenone propionate, tren enanthate, masteron enanthate, drugs that just dont make sense to me and are expensive compared to the old school original versions of these drugs. you guys can use your masteron whenever you want at whatever bf% your at. I am just telling you the right way to use it.


Title: Re: Will never cycle again without masteron!
Post by: tstmaniac on September 26, 2011, 06:57:11 PM
I'll bet if he went and got a blood test done his estradiol levels would still be high even with the masteron.  If your estrogen is really fucked up. you need a low dose of arimadex at the very least.  Masteron will help to some degree, but not as much as you think.  He might have thought it helped because the mast reduced some of his bloat.

Not everybody needs arimidex to combat estrogen..masteron worked just fine for me..mayb because I always had a clean diet and low bodyfat while on...I do like arimidex but just a little nolva worked fine for me...everybodys different


Title: Re: Will never cycle again without masteron!
Post by: hangclean on September 26, 2011, 07:13:43 PM
Not everybody needs arimidex to combat estrogen..masteron worked just fine for me..mayb because I always had a clean diet and low bodyfat while on...I do like arimidex but just a little nolva worked fine for me...everybodys different

you had low bodyfat.


Title: Re: Will never cycle again without masteron!
Post by: whitewidow on September 26, 2011, 08:22:23 PM
Yes Masteron when you are low singles BF is awesome, as whitewidows states, 4 weeks shoot everyday and you see changes fast ;)

WW what do you think are the benefits of using Primo and what would be the ideal dose for someone around 225lbs at 10% bf?



if your 225pds you could easily handle 200mg of primo ED if you can afford it. primo is spendy stuff if your buying amps and alot of the time they are counterfeited with test prop. if you can get the hook on some real primo amps expect to pay around 10-14$ . Primo is an awesome drug because you can use it to bulk or cutt. I think it works better when you are cutting. I think you could expect to get some good lean muscle mass without water retention. I dont know what else you plan on stacking with it but throw in some test prop 100mg ED, Tren A 100mg ED, and you will blow up with some pretty solid muscle mass without much water retention just a bit from the test prop.


Title: Re: Will never cycle again without masteron!
Post by: StanZoLOL on October 04, 2011, 04:57:13 AM
Anyone get badass anxiety on Mast?


Title: Re: Will never cycle again without masteron!
Post by: dyslexic on October 04, 2011, 11:24:31 PM
YOU CANNOT DENY DRUGS HELP THE CAP LOOK THOUGH.

EVEN GH, MAINLY GH REALLY.


Especially when site injecting them.... ::)


Title: Re: Will never cycle again without masteron!
Post by: Meso_z on October 05, 2011, 04:54:23 AM
Anyone get badass anxiety on Mast?
lol I have badass anxiety in generall, im fucked.  ;D


Title: Re: Will never cycle again without masteron!
Post by: StanZoLOL on October 07, 2011, 02:12:41 AM
 :D


Title: Re: Will never cycle again without masteron!
Post by: randy841 on October 17, 2011, 09:44:21 AM
Everything I said is the truth masteron is meant to be used in the last 4 weeks in a cycle if you want to use it right. you want to be at your leanest when you use masteron. like I said ask any pro and they will tell you the same thing masteron is meant to be used at the end of a cycle when your just about at your leannest.

That's how the few pro's i know use it. On top they add Winstrol towards the last week.


Title: Re: Will never cycle again without masteron!
Post by: apply85 on October 17, 2011, 01:21:40 PM
I was told by a very expereinced guy that indeed you gotta be pretty low fat % to see good results from masteron, also for some water retention it wont do much, such as long ester t + dbol, masteron wont work so well when there are multiple other compounds that cause you to be water logged... this is what I was told anyway


Title: Re: Will never cycle again without masteron!
Post by: whitewidow on October 18, 2011, 12:17:44 AM
That's how the few pro's i know use it. On top they add Winstrol towards the last week.

well you were taught correctly that is how masteron is used when your 4-5% and start using masteron your muscles will get rock hard and you will notice more striations and vascularity in places you usually do not notice veins. I had striations running through my butt cheeks.


Title: Re: Will never cycle again without masteron!
Post by: whitewidow on October 18, 2011, 12:19:48 AM
I was told by a very expereinced guy that indeed you gotta be pretty low fat % to see good results from masteron, also for some water retention it wont do much, such as long ester t + dbol, masteron wont work so well when there are multiple other compounds that cause you to be water logged... this is what I was told anyway

another guy taught the write way on how to get the best results from masteron. icing on the cake baby!


Title: Re: Will never cycle again without masteron!
Post by: nosleep on October 18, 2011, 03:00:36 AM
I was told by a very expereinced guy that indeed you gotta be pretty low fat % to see good results from masteron, also for some water retention it wont do much, such as long ester t + dbol, masteron wont work so well when there are multiple other compounds that cause you to be water logged... this is what I was told anyway

THATS WHAT IM ARGUING.

IT HELPED.IT WAS A GREAT AI/AE ON LONG EASTER TEST AND PEOPLE SENSITIVE TO ESTRO. THATS WHAT THE OP STATED,I STATED.

IS IT BETTER WHEN UR LEANER AND IN FINAL CONTEST MODE? PROBABLY,BUT SO IS EVERY DRUG.IS IT USEFUL TO FIGHT WATER WEIGHT/FAT WITH LONG EASTERS AND PEOPLE SENSITIVE TO ESTRO? ABSO FUCKING LUTELY. THATS OUR POINT.


Title: Re: Will never cycle again without masteron!
Post by: whitewidow on October 18, 2011, 06:53:50 PM
THATS WHAT IM ARGUING.

IT HELPED.IT WAS A GREAT AI/AE ON LONG EASTER TEST AND PEOPLE SENSITIVE TO ESTRO. THATS WHAT THE OP STATED,I STATED.

IS IT BETTER WHEN UR LEANER AND IN FINAL CONTEST MODE? PROBABLY,BUT SO IS EVERY DRUG.IS IT USEFUL TO FIGHT WATER WEIGHT/FAT WITH LONG EASTERS AND PEOPLE SENSITIVE TO ESTRO? ABSO FUCKING LUTELY. THATS OUR POINT.

there are other drugs for estro and water retention when your on cycle. why waste masteron on problems like that? proviron, adex will help. proviron is real androgenic somewhat close to masteron. to each their own but when you hit 4-6bf% are you still going to use masteron? best way is to fight those problems with other Anti estrogens and other highly androgenic substances. I know you might think I dont know what I am talking about but masteron is an icing on the cake drug you really notice a diffrence when using it when you are 4-6bf% oppose to 10-15bf%. what would you use in that situation if masteron was not on the market?  think about that first try to kill the water retention with something other than masteron. plenty of other drugs out there that you can solve those problems with. sucks that you have those problems some of us are just more genetically blessed. no lie I am 194 now and still at 6%. I keep going up and my BF always stays the same. my face bloats during the first few weeks of a stack but use your Anti estrogens and as long as they are high quality they will work.


Title: Re: Will never cycle again without masteron!
Post by: skinny_buff on February 15, 2013, 03:36:07 AM
this is one of the better thread on masteron. I know it's old but I'm about to start using masteron and have a few questions. To Makaveli25, you said you used 1 amp of Sustanon every week. I'm curious how much in mg is that? I'm guessing 100mg per amp?

To hangclean, I thought Masteron will suppress natural testosterone production so in what way will this raise libido? Is it the synergystic effect of using Test along with Masteron? I'm thinking of running a Primo, Masteron, and Anavar cycle. Is Test necessary? Won't using clomid instead increase gonadotropins? If Test is mandatory then is 300mg weekly fine? I have used Test E at 500mg weekly, I wasn't crazy about the sides. I guess 300mg weekyl is minimum?

My 12 week cycle might look like this:

First 6 weeks:

400mg weekly primobolan (200mg Monday, 200mg Thursday)

Next 6 weeks:

400mg weekly primobolan (200mg Monday, 200mg Thursday), 50mg Anavar daily, adding Masteron the last 4 weeks at 50mg every other day or every 3 days.

Should I add atleast 300mg weekly of Test throughout the 12 week cycle? Good idea? Is an on cycle therapy needed? Before when I cycled with Test E/HGH Kigtropin/Anavar I used Anastrozole as my on cycle therapy/off cycle therapy. Not sure if I would need that considering masteron can fight gynecomastia. I read that using Masteron and Primo does not require other ancillaries like AIs or SERMs for on cycle or post cycle therapy, as those 2 steroid does not aromatize. It's if when I add the Test in the cycle that I would have to worry about gyne or not really since Masteron is included in my cycle? But then again Test counteracts Primo and Masteron's suppression of natural testosterone production so I might need Test then? But if using Clomid since it increases gonadotropins, not sure if it's a good idea to mix Clomid with Masteron use as both are kind of in the similar league of drugs (breast cancer drug, etc.)?

Let me know what you all think.

Masteron is great stuff.  Test+mast is the best stack if you are going to be having a lot of sex.  nothing beats those two compounds together for that.  


Title: Re: Will never cycle again without masteron!
Post by: WillGrant on February 15, 2013, 03:57:55 AM
this is one of the better thread on masteron. I know it's old but I'm about to start using masteron and have a few questions. To Makaveli25, you said you used 1 amp of Sustanon every week. I'm curious how much in mg is that? I'm guessing 100mg per amp?

To hangclean, I thought Masteron will suppress natural testosterone production so in what way will this raise libido? Is it the synergystic effect of using Test along with Masteron? I'm thinking of running a Primo, Masteron, and Anavar cycle. Is Test necessary? Won't using clomid instead increase gonadotropins? If Test is mandatory then is 300mg weekly fine? I have used Test E at 500mg weekly, I wasn't crazy about the sides. I guess 300mg weekyl is minimum?

My 12 week cycle might look like this:

First 6 weeks:

400mg weekly primobolan (200mg Monday, 200mg Thursday)

Next 6 weeks:

400mg weekly primobolan (200mg Monday, 200mg Thursday), 50mg Anavar daily, adding Masteron the last 4 weeks at 50mg every other day or every 3 days.

Should I add atleast 300mg weekly of Test throughout the 12 week cycle? Good idea? Is an on cycle therapy needed? Before when I cycled with Test E/HGH Kigtropin/Anavar I used Anastrozole as my on cycle therapy/off cycle therapy. Not sure if I would need that considering masteron can fight gynecomastia. I read that using Masteron and Primo does not require other ancillaries like AIs or SERMs as on cycle or post cycle therapy as those 2 steroid does not aromatize. It's if when I add the Test in the cycle that I would have to worry about gyne. But then again Test counteracts Primo and Masteron's suppression of natural testosterone production. But if using Clomid since it increases gonadotropins, not sure if it's a good idea to mix Clomid with Masteron use?

Let me know what you all think.

Amp = 250mg

Not sure if 50mg eod of Masteron will do much - also depends how lean you are ? - Personally I'd start at 100mg per day and go from there (50mg bare min) - Primo start at 600mgs per week  and see how you go - this wont give you much in terms of size but will be a good harderning cycle if you are already lean.  :)


Title: Re: Will never cycle again without masteron!
Post by: skinny_buff on February 15, 2013, 04:10:05 AM
seriously an amp is 250mg? I know someone is selling an amp of 100mg (Primo). So I guess this varies or are all amps always 250mg? Sorry for sounding naive but I have always used gear the last 2 years that are in vials of IUs and MLs. LOL. I'm 160 pounds, 5'7", 29 years old. I'm not new to bodybuilding or gear (over 15 years in the gym, 2 years of gear use here and there). I was once close to 200 pounds. I was 170 a few months ago. I'm not going for that hard gainer look, otherwise I would have used hard gainer gear.

Amp = 250mg

Not sure if 50mg eod of Masteron will do much - also depends how lean you are ? - Personally I'd start at 100mg per day and go from there (50mg bare min) - Primo start at 600mgs per week  and see how you go - this wont give you much in terms of size but will be a good harderning cycle if you are already lean.  :)


Title: Re: Will never cycle again without masteron!
Post by: Fuzzy Nuts on February 15, 2013, 02:03:15 PM
I DO NOT THINK U HAVE TO BE 6% OR BELOW...IT WORKS GREAT ON GUYS WITH HIGH ESTRO(LIKE OP STATED).SO EVEN 10-12%,IT'LL HELP YOU GET TO 7-8 FASTER.

THIS 6% OR LESS I THINK IS A MYTH.
Agreed. Who the hell is a real 6%.


Title: Re: Will never cycle again without masteron!
Post by: a_ahmed on February 15, 2013, 02:50:34 PM
I love masteron <B and its cheap now a days at 200mg/ml love all love :D

I WISH I could get legit primo 200mg/ml for cheap :( I will bite the bullet before ramadan and start one month prior on primo then be on it while in ramadan, curious how it will help me lean out with fasting. supposedly best thing for super low cal dieting so sounds like a smart idea and alot of middleeastern muslim bbers are on dat der primo trip during ramadan.

Wouldn't run masteron in ramadan though, sounds like trouble with low water intake as is.


Title: Re: Will never cycle again without masteron!
Post by: jibr0418 on February 15, 2013, 11:51:22 PM
Amp = 250mg

Not sure if 50mg eod of Masteron will do much - also depends how lean you are ? - Personally I'd start at 100mg per day and go from there (50mg bare min) - Primo start at 600mgs per week  and see how you go - this wont give you much in terms of size but will be a good harderning cycle if you are already lean.  :)

No, not all amps are 250mg/ml. HG Primo amps are 100mg/ml. HG Winstrol Depot amps are 50mg/ml.


Title: Re: Will never cycle again without masteron!
Post by: skinny_buff on February 16, 2013, 03:40:40 AM
Ok I'm just curious if there will be instant side effects when using Primo or Masteron? what I meant by this is like the "tren cough" where upon injection of tren you start coughing for like 8 minutes. I've never used tren before. Just curious if I should expect anything of this nature from Primo or Masteron so I don't freak out. LOL. I've never used Primo or Masteron before.

I'm also curious what makes Primo a steroid that burns fat better than others. I think Masteron is also pretty good at burning fat but nothing like Primo. Is it the androgenic/anabolic ratio?

Masteron: anabolic/androgenic ratio: 62:25
Primobolan: anabolic/androgenic ratio (range): 88:44-57

Does those two compound's fat burning properties have anything to do with their anabolic/androgenic ratios or it's all in their formulas?


Title: Re: Will never cycle again without masteron!
Post by: a_ahmed on February 16, 2013, 10:37:49 AM
steroids don't make you lose fat, they make it easier. Diet and training determine your fat loss or muscle gain.

I've realized this and it's the hardcore truth. No amount of tren or other drugs will do what diet and cardio do.


Title: Re: Will never cycle again without masteron!
Post by: WillGrant on February 16, 2013, 03:28:22 PM
No, not all amps are 250mg/ml. HG Primo amps are 100mg/ml. HG Winstrol Depot amps are 50mg/ml.
Read his post he asked if sus250 was 100mgs per amp - not the product you speak of - so Yes not no  :) - 1 amp of sustanon does = 250mg

To Makaveli25, you said you used 1 amp of Sustanon every week. I'm curious how much in mg is that? I'm guessing 100mg per amp?





Title: Re: Will never cycle again without masteron!
Post by: skinny_buff on February 17, 2013, 02:10:59 AM
Well whoever wrote the profiles for steroids need to quit their claims. lol. I read the same thing about anavar being good at burning fat, but I've been using this for almost 2 years off and on and I don't think that's true at all. What's helping me burn fat is the intense workout anavar gives me. There was one guy I talked to who said only Tren can give you a true transformation. He eats everything and doesn't turn what he eats into fat, in other words it gets burned with the Tren he's on.

steroids don't make you lose fat, they make it easier. Diet and training determine your fat loss or muscle gain.

I've realized this and it's the hardcore truth. No amount of tren or other drugs will do what diet and cardio do.


Title: Re: Will never cycle again without masteron!
Post by: skinny_buff on February 17, 2013, 02:14:07 AM
Ok I got it now. Just wondering why people recommends me Test Prop? I though all 3 Test are the same except the convenience. Test E which I have used can be inject once or twice a week, while Test Prop is usually every other day, right? I'm not familiar with Test Cyp or Sustanon. Why the high regard for Test Prop?

Read his post he asked if sus250 was 100mgs per amp - not the product you speak of - so Yes not no  :) - 1 amp of sustanon does = 250mg



Title: Re: Will never cycle again without masteron!
Post by: WillGrant on February 17, 2013, 03:31:20 AM
Ok I got it now. Just wondering why people recommends me Test Prop? I though all 3 Test are the same except the convenience. Test E which I have used can be inject once or twice a week, while Test Prop is usually every other day, right? I'm not familiar with Test Cyp or Sustanon. Why the high regard for Test Prop?

Prop is dosed "normally" at 100mgs per ml , but does also come at 50mg and 150mgs .

Prop is released faster so needs frequent injecting - each day (ED) or every other day (EOD) - Where as esters like Cyp and Enan release slower so can be used two the three times a week. (this is a bodybuilding board so not concerned about HRT dosing)

Sustanon is made up of four esters so you are getting a mix of quick and slower release - they say test is test but if you really want to get anal with keeping hormone levels as steady as possible then shoot cyp and enan EOD and sus daily or EOD also - it doesnt have to be a full ml each shot - 1/2 ml will work also, but this is Bodybuilding so never waste an empty barrel as they say  ;D

Prop is easier to control as it's out of your system quicker and you can dose anywhere from 25mg to 100mgs (or more) daily depending how much active testosterone you want in your system - this could be for any number of reasons - water and getting ready for shows/pics or other hormones you are running that can give sides when run with higher testosterone levels.

Lots of differing opinions out there - best thing is to try things and see what works for you and ask lots of questions then try etc etc. good luck.  :)


Title: Re: Will never cycle again without masteron!
Post by: jibr0418 on February 18, 2013, 10:53:33 PM
Will, what's the point of injecting sustanon ED or EOD? I'm asking this question because I have always just shot sust twice a week and had great results. I take it the frequent shots are to take advantage of the prop?


Title: Re: Will never cycle again without masteron!
Post by: skinny_buff on February 19, 2013, 12:15:41 AM
ok this is interesting. I read that the male body produces 2.5mg to 11mg of testosterone daily. If this is true why the need to shoot high dose testosterone (other than gaining more mass)? My intent of using testosterone is simply to COUNTER the lowering of my natural testosterone level when using a Primo or Masteron or other steroids. Wouldn't 100mg of Test daily seem adequate (even 25mg)? I know everyone on every forum I have been on will post the same exact shit that was told to them and what they think has worked for them, etc. about using 500mg of test a week, etc. etc. I think my aim is to inject therapeutic dosages and not go overboard. I'm in this for the long run, not a get big quick so I can get more pussy scheme.

Anyway, my mom's a nurse and she had this handbook called 2013 Nurse's Drug Handbook. I believe in it are the dosing facts, adverse reactions, side effects, and for how long to use a drug for, etc. Not sure if I should get it for myself. Not sure if steroids would be in it. I'm assuming every FDA approved drug would be in it. But since Primobolan is not an FDA approved drug, I guess I'm out of luck on that one. Would the same info. on such a book be available for free online in such websites like webmd or who knows of a better site with real facts?

Prop is dosed "normally" at 100mgs per ml , but does also come at 50mg and 150mgs .

Prop is released faster so needs frequent injecting - each day (ED) or every other day (EOD) - Where as esters like Cyp and Enan release slower so can be used two the three times a week. (this is a bodybuilding board so not concerned about HRT dosing)

Sustanon is made up of four esters so you are getting a mix of quick and slower release - they say test is test but if you really want to get anal with keeping hormone levels as steady as possible then shoot cyp and enan EOD and sus daily or EOD also - it doesnt have to be a full ml each shot - 1/2 ml will work also, but this is Bodybuilding so never waste an empty barrel as they say  ;D

Prop is easier to control as it's out of your system quicker and you can dose anywhere from 25mg to 100mgs (or more) daily depending how much active testosterone you want in your system - this could be for any number of reasons - water and getting ready for shows/pics or other hormones you are running that can give sides when run with higher testosterone levels.

Lots of differing opinions out there - best thing is to try things and see what works for you and ask lots of questions then try etc etc. good luck.  :)


Title: Re: Will never cycle again without masteron!
Post by: skinny_buff on February 19, 2013, 12:24:26 AM
Could a 160-170 pound guy handle 100mg of Primo ED or EOD? I think my plan is 200mg twice a week (400mg weekly total). Not sure if I should spread it out (100mg EOD) or stick with bi-weekly shots.

if your 225pds you could easily handle 200mg of primo ED if you can afford it. primo is spendy stuff if your buying amps and alot of the time they are counterfeited with test prop. if you can get the hook on some real primo amps expect to pay around 10-14$ . Primo is an awesome drug because you can use it to bulk or cutt. I think it works better when you are cutting. I think you could expect to get some good lean muscle mass without water retention. I dont know what else you plan on stacking with it but throw in some test prop 100mg ED, Tren A 100mg ED, and you will blow up with some pretty solid muscle mass without much water retention just a bit from the test prop.


Title: Re: Will never cycle again without masteron!
Post by: jibr0418 on February 20, 2013, 08:11:07 PM
Skinny, are you going to run some test with your primo or anything else? I'm thinking about running a test cyp 350mg/wk, primo 600mg/wk and masteron 300-400mg/wk.


Title: Re: Will never cycle again without masteron!
Post by: whitewidow on February 21, 2013, 03:26:25 AM
Could a 160-170 pound guy handle 100mg of Primo ED or EOD? I think my plan is 200mg twice a week (400mg weekly total). Not sure if I should spread it out (100mg EOD) or stick with bi-weekly shots.


Yes for sure. it just comes down to money.  If it was tren I might say no to 100mg ED but like galeniko said women use primo. at 400mg of primo a week that would almost produce nothing! Use at least 600-1000mg a week of primo. If you cannot afford at least 600mg of primo a week don;t even bother using it.


Title: Re: Will never cycle again without masteron!
Post by: WillGrant on February 23, 2013, 03:30:21 PM
Will, what's the point of injecting sustanon ED or EOD? I'm asking this question because I have always just shot sust twice a week and had great results. I take it the frequent shots are to take advantage of the prop?
Hey mate , yes to take advantage of the short esters - You will also get great results shooting x2 weekly no doubt.. Try it EOD in the fure or ED and see how you feel - obviously you will have more active hormone in your system so will look different going from x2 each week - I have spoken to guys who have shot 3ml twice weekly so 1500mgs total and the EOD or ED version and they have said much better results with ED or EOD - I tried it at 1/2 ml (125mg) this way and did feel better in terms of feeling of well being and results - could be placebo, who knows but I think I did notice a difference this way.. :)


Title: Re: Will never cycle again without masteron!
Post by: a_ahmed on February 23, 2013, 03:52:49 PM
So since I put masteron back in, good libido boost  ;D Killing it. And nice increase in drive in gym despite lowered calories again woohoo!


Title: Re: Will never cycle again without masteron!
Post by: skinny_buff on February 25, 2013, 12:05:53 AM
Yes. I will be running some Test P. Everyone seem to say go for Test P. Why you chose Test C? I read Test C and E are almost identical? I have used Test E before but this time I think I will try Test P as everyone suggested it. I will add Primo and Anavar with Test P. Not sure if I should add Masteron as well. Check page 3 of this thread at the very bottom is my reply but I don't think it was ever answered. My purpose of using Test is simply to counter the shutting down of my natural testosterone production from the use of Primo or Masteron or Anavar so i'm not sure about which dose I should use. I read that the male body produces between 2.5 to 11mg of testosterone daily, so my assumption is that even a low dose Test shot of 25-50mg EOD might be adequate. I don't want the test to blow me up. Now since Test P comes in 100mg, I guess 100mg EOD would be my dose (but this is 400mg weekly and it's a bit high I think). I'd like to keep it lower probably but I was just going for easy measurements of whatever the drug's mg came in. My Anavar pills come in 50mg so I take 1 tablet daily, you see? Like I said, to avoid a shut down, I guess even 25 mg EOD of Test would be ok since it makes up for what the male body's natural production of testosterone at between 2.5 to 11mg daily. Anyway, I read that a dose of 25mg of Primo can suppress test production by as much as 50%, so this means that if I use 50mg of Primo, it will shut down as much as 100% of my test production. Can someone confirm this? Assuming it's fact, then I would definitely need to use Test. I read that Deca is even worse as it shuts down 100% of natural testosterone production, but deca is supposed to be really good. I don't know much about dosing with deca as I have never used it yet.

Skinny, are you going to run some test with your primo or anything else? I'm thinking about running a test cyp 350mg/wk, primo 600mg/wk and masteron 300-400mg/wk.


Title: Re: Will never cycle again without masteron!
Post by: skinny_buff on February 25, 2013, 12:19:10 AM
but isn't the dose of steroids also depend on the person's weight? If I was 170 pounds then 400mg weekly would give me great results? If you were 225 pounds then 400mg is a waste, therefore you'd need 600mg weekly minimum? Since it gives women results at lower dosages that's because generally women weigh less, right? So a steroid's effect is based on the weight (and body fat) of the individual?

Yes for sure. it just comes down to money.  If it was tren I might say no to 100mg ED but like galeniko said women use primo. at 400mg of primo a week that would almost produce nothing! Use at least 600-1000mg a week of primo. If you cannot afford at least 600mg of primo a week don;t even bother using it.


Title: Re: Will never cycle again without masteron!
Post by: skinny_buff on February 25, 2013, 12:25:09 AM
Not sure I had felt a sense of well being when I used 500mg of Test E weekly. I thought I was moody. It was 1 shot weekly. Should I have split it in two (250mg twice a week) or is there not much difference?

Hey mate , yes to take advantage of the short esters - You will also get great results shooting x2 weekly no doubt.. Try it EOD in the fure or ED and see how you feel - obviously you will have more active hormone in your system so will look different going from x2 each week - I have spoken to guys who have shot 3ml twice weekly so 1500mgs total and the EOD or ED version and they have said much better results with ED or EOD - I tried it at 1/2 ml (125mg) this way and did feel better in terms of feeling of well being and results - could be placebo, who knows but I think I did notice a difference this way.. :)


Title: Re: Will never cycle again without masteron!
Post by: skinny_buff on February 25, 2013, 12:27:17 AM
I'm lost. Mast boosts libido? I thought it kills it? Wouldn't it be the Test that you're using to counter Masteron's test shut down?

So since I put masteron back in, good libido boost  ;D Killing it. And nice increase in drive in gym despite lowered calories again woohoo!


Title: Re: Will never cycle again without masteron!
Post by: a_ahmed on February 25, 2013, 12:40:24 PM
Uh no.. mast is a DHT, it will make u wana hit it all day long lol.

I am only 200mg test right now... which is my trt dose anyway lol


Title: Re: Will never cycle again without masteron!
Post by: skinny_buff on February 26, 2013, 04:32:24 AM
Anavar is also DHT, isn't it? My libido never dropped while on it by itself, not sure if I got a boost either like you said you get from Masteron. 200mg of Test weekly, is this a 1x shot or spread out throughout the weekl? I think I like that dose. I could go for lower actually. I'm still looking for more info. but if I ever do 200mg weekly, is it a good idea to do 50mg EOD of Test Prop?

Uh no.. mast is a DHT, it will make u wana hit it all day long lol.

I am only 200mg test right now... which is my trt dose anyway lol


Title: Re: Will never cycle again without masteron!
Post by: a_ahmed on February 26, 2013, 09:17:58 AM
Well running with no test in your system is stupid. Your body naturally needs test.


Title: Re: Will never cycle again without masteron!
Post by: skinny_buff on February 26, 2013, 07:32:53 PM
OK because on the first page, LittleJ also wondered how does it boost sex. Now I see why is because you are on Test and Mast, must be the synergistic effect when combining both. Didn't you also mention you wanted to use Primo? So right now you're only on Test and Mast? I thought about this cycle but with Anavar as well (Test/Mast/Anavar). I might pass on Primo. If I can get the same effects with Mast then I'll go the cheaper route.

Well running with no test in your system is stupid. Your body naturally needs test.


Title: Re: Will never cycle again without masteron!
Post by: skinny_buff on March 01, 2013, 02:40:44 AM
Are you going for biweekly shots or once a week shots or spread out EOD? I'm assuming EOD. If it's EOD, wouldn't you say 400mg of each gear be a better dose? 100mg EOD of each gear which adds up to 400mg weekly. I read somewhere that if you use 400mg of Primo, then use 400mg of another gear as well to balance it out (so do 400mg of Test and 400mg of Mast when using 400mg of Primo). Is this just about right?

Skinny, are you going to run some test with your primo or anything else? I'm thinking about running a test cyp 350mg/wk, primo 600mg/wk and masteron 300-400mg/wk.


Title: Re: Will never cycle again without masteron!
Post by: ChristopherA on March 03, 2013, 05:41:15 AM
Not sure I had felt a sense of well being when I used 500mg of Test E weekly. I thought I was moody. It was 1 shot weekly. Should I have split it in two (250mg twice a week) or is there not much difference?

I personally haven't seen a diff between splitting up shots of long esters or doing one big shot once a week. There was a thread on another board about doing your long esters once a week for better gains. I didn't really see any difference. I did like the fact I was cutting down on injects so I have stuck with it. Primo or tren ace I would do every day for the best results. 400mgs of prop a week isn't high, by the way. I haven't really jumped on the low test bandwagon, I guess. Test make me feel great, I always want a moderate dose in there. Now that my bf is really low, I've found I can run test at high as 600mgs and no bloat. No ai's either. Was even gonna jump to 750-1000mgs and see how it treats me. Obviously a more advanced dose but just sayin don't be afraid of test


Title: Re: Will never cycle again without masteron!
Post by: a_ahmed on January 14, 2014, 03:36:14 PM
Curious on opinion of peeps on here.

If you had choice between masteron prop 100mg m-w-f vs masteron enanthate 600mg a week.. which would you deem as stronger? Short acting stuff generally has more of a kick/strength/results but i am not sure of the calculation. For me tren ace is definetely stronger than enanthate... but?


Title: Re: Will never cycle again without masteron!
Post by: tstmaniac on January 15, 2014, 08:35:53 AM
Curious on opinion of peeps on here.

If you had choice between masteron prop 100mg m-w-f vs masteron enanthate 600mg a week.. which would you deem as stronger? Short acting stuff generally has more of a kick/strength/results but i am not sure of the calculation. For me tren ace is definetely stronger than enanthate... but?

Mast prop hands down


Title: Re: Will never cycle again without masteron!
Post by: latiuss on January 21, 2014, 04:02:57 PM
Yes. I will be running some Test P. Everyone seem to say go for Test P. Why you chose Test C? I read Test C and E are almost identical? I have used Test E before but this time I think I will try Test P as everyone suggested it. I will add Primo and Anavar with Test P. Not sure if I should add Masteron as well. Check page 3 of this thread at the very bottom is my reply but I don't think it was ever answered. My purpose of using Test is simply to counter the shutting down of my natural testosterone production from the use of Primo or Masteron or Anavar so i'm not sure about which dose I should use. I read that the male body produces between 2.5 to 11mg of testosterone daily, so my assumption is that even a low dose Test shot of 25-50mg EOD might be adequate. I don't want the test to blow me up. Now since Test P comes in 100mg, I guess 100mg EOD would be my dose (but this is 400mg weekly and it's a bit high I think). I'd like to keep it lower probably but I was just going for easy measurements of whatever the drug's mg came in. My Anavar pills come in 50mg so I take 1 tablet daily, you see? Like I said, to avoid a shut down, I guess even 25 mg EOD of Test would be ok since it makes up for what the male body's natural production of testosterone at between 2.5 to 11mg daily. Anyway, I read that a dose of 25mg of Primo can suppress test production by as much as 50%, so this means that if I use 50mg of Primo, it will shut down as much as 100% of my test production. Can someone confirm this? Assuming it's fact, then I would definitely need to use Test. I read that Deca is even worse as it shuts down 100% of natural testosterone production, but deca is supposed to be really good. I don't know much about dosing with deca as I have never used it yet.


Are you saying your trying to avoid your natural test production being shutdown by using...test p?


Title: Re: Will never cycle again without masteron!
Post by: oni on January 21, 2014, 04:46:55 PM
Are you saying your trying to avoid your natural test production being shutdown by using...test p?

I hope he is saying that he is taking a TRT dose


Title: Re: Will never cycle again without masteron!
Post by: galeniko on January 21, 2014, 04:55:19 PM
Yes. I will be running some Test P. Everyone seem to say go for Test P. Why you chose Test C? I read Test C and E are almost identical? I have used Test E before but this time I think I will try Test P as everyone suggested it. I will add Primo and Anavar with Test P. Not sure if I should add Masteron as well. Check page 3 of this thread at the very bottom is my reply but I don't think it was ever answered. My purpose of using Test is simply to counter the shutting down of my natural testosterone production from the use of Primo or Masteron or Anavar so i'm not sure about which dose I should use. I read that the male body produces between 2.5 to 11mg of testosterone daily, so my assumption is that even a low dose Test shot of 25-50mg EOD might be adequate. I don't want the test to blow me up. Now since Test P comes in 100mg, I guess 100mg EOD would be my dose (but this is 400mg weekly and it's a bit high I think). I'd like to keep it lower probably but I was just going for easy measurements of whatever the drug's mg came in. My Anavar pills come in 50mg so I take 1 tablet daily, you see? Like I said, to avoid a shut down, I guess even 25 mg EOD of Test would be ok since it makes up for what the male body's natural production of testosterone at between 2.5 to 11mg daily. Anyway, I read that a dose of 25mg of Primo can suppress test production by as much as 50%, so this means that if I use 50mg of Primo, it will shut down as much as 100% of my test production. Can someone confirm this? Assuming it's fact, then I would definitely need to use Test. I read that Deca is even worse as it shuts down 100% of natural testosterone production, but deca is supposed to be really good. I don't know much about dosing with deca as I have never used it yet.

lol, you are overthinking this way too much.

everyhting shuts you donw, but nothing shuts down entirely.

percentage blabla it doesnt matter.

that said,mast, even on itself is the bomb.



Title: Re: Will never cycle again without masteron!
Post by: latiuss on January 22, 2014, 01:44:10 AM
I hope he is saying that he is taking a TRT dose

Lol i dont think even he knows what the fuck hes sayin