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Title: Vince Gironda - True Natural Muscle (40 years ahead of his time)
Post by: The Wizard on October 03, 2011, 03:15:03 AM
Drug Free and nearly 50 when this was taken. All the top guys in the 1960's and '70's including Arnold, Louie, Zane all went to stay and train with Vince and promoted his beliefs.
He knew the secrets of real natural bodybuilding.


Title: Re: Vince Gironda - True Natural Muscle (40 years ahead of his time)
Post by: stuntmovie on October 03, 2011, 03:24:24 AM
Didn't Vince toss Arnold out .... or something like that?

Vince took shit from no one!


Title: Re: Vince Gironda - True Natural Muscle (40 years ahead of his time)
Post by: The Wizard on October 03, 2011, 03:27:10 AM
Didn't Vince toss Arnold out .... or something like that?

Vince took shit from no one!
I think he did eventually yeh. Had no patience at all and his way was the only way. Arnold has been quoted saying that he learnt a huge amount from Vince.


Title: Re: Vince Gironda - True Natural Muscle (40 years ahead of his time)
Post by: Mr Nobody on October 03, 2011, 03:30:14 AM
A mastermind in bodybuilding before shit got crazy a bit eccentric no doubt.


Title: Re: Vince Gironda - True Natural Muscle (40 years ahead of his time)
Post by: stuntmovie on October 03, 2011, 03:33:27 AM
And SCOTT had to train legs in another gym.

I'd like to find it ... but Vince was a forward thinker when the subject of protein consumption reared its ugly head.


Title: Re: Vince Gironda - True Natural Muscle (40 years ahead of his time)
Post by: Euro-monster on October 03, 2011, 03:36:03 AM
A mastermind in bodybuilding before shit got crazy a bit eccentric no doubt.

Dont tell me hes wearing a clown top?....i fucking hate clowns for fuck sake... :o


Title: Re: Vince Gironda - True Natural Muscle (40 years ahead of his time)
Post by: stuntmovie on October 03, 2011, 03:37:35 AM
WIZ, You said "eventually", but I think it was more like "immediately".

I could be wrong though.


Title: Re: Vince Gironda - True Natural Muscle (40 years ahead of his time)
Post by: Stark on October 03, 2011, 03:40:33 AM
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=397238.0;attach=433226;image)

WTF is up with the shirt he is wearing?


Title: Re: Vince Gironda - True Natural Muscle (40 years ahead of his time)
Post by: gh15 on October 03, 2011, 03:41:00 AM
lol ,, you fellas lol ,, LOL at thedrug free coment,, NO ONE IN BODYBUILD WHO HAS ANYCONDITIONED MUSCLE ON THEM AT OVER 170LB 5'10 7 LB PER INCH IS DRUG FREE!,, NO ONE!

vince was hormonized and when went cleanlooked liek balonie,, fat went up to 10-12% and bodyweigth remained the same while lean muscle went down lol,, vince just wasnt phenominal responder,, he was an every day gym rat level respondr ,,

for god sake LEARN YOUR DAMN BODYBUILD FELLAS

gh15 approved


Title: Re: Vince Gironda - True Natural Muscle (40 years ahead of his time)
Post by: Mr Nobody on October 03, 2011, 03:41:48 AM
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=397238.0;attach=433226;image)

WTF is up with the shirt he is wearing?
He probably borrowed it from Bob Chick.  ;D


Title: Re: Vince Gironda - True Natural Muscle (40 years ahead of his time)
Post by: Euro-monster on October 03, 2011, 03:42:27 AM
But why is he wearing scary shirts like that though?... :-\


Title: Re: Vince Gironda - True Natural Muscle (40 years ahead of his time)
Post by: Mr Nobody on October 03, 2011, 03:52:28 AM
Dont tell me hes wearing a clown top?....i fucking hate clowns for fuck sake... :o
I dont think he was a clown, he got the shirt on loan from Bob Chick.  :D


Title: Re: Vince Gironda - True Natural Muscle (40 years ahead of his time)
Post by: Euro-monster on October 03, 2011, 03:56:55 AM
I dont think he was a clown, he got the shirt on loan from Bob Chick.  :D

Did he ever gave it back Bob?.... :D


Title: Re: Vince Gironda - True Natural Muscle (40 years ahead of his time)
Post by: stuntmovie on October 03, 2011, 03:59:03 AM
I was a friend of Vince's towards the end and he always seemed to dress comfortably and if I recall correctly there was a seamstress a few doors down the street who would make comfortable shirts for fat guys and bodybuilders.

She might have made that scarey one for Vince.I think I had one like it but I referred to it as my Hawaiian shirt back then.

You gotta remember that times were different back then and no one was ever scared by another person;s shirt, but only by the person within it.


Title: Re: Vince Gironda - True Natural Muscle (40 years ahead of his time)
Post by: The Wizard on October 03, 2011, 04:13:03 AM
lol ,, you fellas lol ,, LOL at thedrug free coment,, NO ONE IN BODYBUILD WHO HAS ANYCONDITIONED MUSCLE ON THEM AT OVER 170LB 5'10 7 LB PER INCH IS DRUG FREE!,, NO ONE!

vince was hormonized and when went cleanlooked liek balonie,, fat went up to 10-12% and bodyweigth remained the same while lean muscle went down lol,, vince just wasnt phenominal responder,, he was an every day gym rat level respondr ,,

for god sake LEARN YOUR DAMN BODYBUILD FELLAS

gh15 approved
Hahahahaha ....... Spoken like a guy who took drugs from day one.
1) Gironda was absolutely natural - Hated the drugs in bidybuilding with a passion
2) He's fuckin small man but perfectly proportioned
3) I am 20 pounds heavier (in shape) than your impossible stats having never taken anymore than whey protein immediately after training so you are incorrect. Took me 20 years agreed but whats the hurry when you don't need to get on stage in your undies  ;)


Title: Re: Vince Gironda - True Natural Muscle (40 years ahead of his time)
Post by: Trev on October 03, 2011, 04:41:48 AM
lol ,, you fellas lol ,, LOL at thedrug free coment,, NO ONE IN BODYBUILD WHO HAS ANYCONDITIONED MUSCLE ON THEM AT OVER 170LB 5'10 7 LB PER INCH IS DRUG FREE!,, NO ONE!

vince was hormonized and when went cleanlooked liek balonie,, fat went up to 10-12% and bodyweigth remained the same while lean muscle went down lol,, vince just wasnt phenominal responder,, he was an every day gym rat level respondr ,,

for god sake LEARN YOUR DAMN BODYBUILD FELLAS

gh15 approved
Proof you need to learn your "bodybuild"
Vince was famously drug free.
Just because you are nothing without the drugs, don't tar everyone with the same brush. There are millions of guys who have had or do have this much muscle (and more) without drugs. I'm one of them.


Title: Re: Vince Gironda - True Natural Muscle (40 years ahead of his time)
Post by: DK II on October 03, 2011, 04:42:46 AM
Proof you need to learn your "bodybuild"
Vince was famously drug free.
Just because you are nothing without the drugs, don't tar everyone with the same brush. There are millions of guys who have had or do have this much muscle (and more) without drugs. I'm one of them.

Post your pics, you monster.  ::) ::)


Title: Re: Vince Gironda - True Natural Muscle (40 years ahead of his time)
Post by: Trev on October 03, 2011, 04:45:31 AM
Post your pics, you monster.  ::) ::)
Haha, no monster but have enough to disprove GH15.
Tell you what, if he posts his, I'll post mine  ;D


Title: Re: Vince Gironda - True Natural Muscle (40 years ahead of his time)
Post by: DK II on October 03, 2011, 04:48:55 AM
Haha, no monster but have enough to disprove GH15.
Tell you what, if he posts his, I'll post mine  ;D

You are the one making bullshit claims, not him.

I have yet to see some "natural" bodybuilder" that exceeds exactly what gh15 says.

Funny enough that all "Naturals" that claim to be bigger either never post pics or are clearly on hormones and are lying their asses off, like Skip Liecour, Liar Norton, Chris Failure or Usotsuki Moody.  ::) ::)

Post a pic.


Title: Re: Vince Gironda - True Natural Muscle (40 years ahead of his time)
Post by: Trev on October 03, 2011, 05:00:48 AM
You are the one making bullshit claims, not him.

I have yet to see some "natural" bodybuilder" that exceeds exactly what gh15 says.

Funny enough that all "Naturals" that claim to be bigger either never post pics or are clearly on hormones and are lying their asses off, like Skip Liecour, Liar Norton, Chris Failure or Usotsuki Moody.  ::) ::)

Post a pic.
You mix with the wrong guys.
I have no need to post any pics and don't give a shit what you or anyone says. Most people don't have 25 + years of natural training behind them.
You keep believing your invisible drug guru and remain bloated, spotty and small dicked.


Title: Re: Vince Gironda - True Natural Muscle (40 years ahead of his time)
Post by: oliolioli on October 03, 2011, 05:12:03 AM
You are the one making bullshit claims, not him.

I have yet to see some "natural" bodybuilder" that exceeds exactly what gh15 says.

Funny enough that all "Naturals" that claim to be bigger either never post pics or are clearly on hormones and are lying their asses off, like Skip Liecour, Liar Norton, Chris Failure or Usotsuki Moody.  ::) ::)

Post a pic.

Urotsukidoji Moody


Title: Re: Vince Gironda - True Natural Muscle (40 years ahead of his time)
Post by: Board_SHERIF on October 03, 2011, 05:17:40 AM
lol ,, you fellas lol ,, LOL at thedrug free coment,, NO ONE IN BODYBUILD WHO HAS ANYCONDITIONED MUSCLE ON THEM AT OVER 170LB 5'10 7 LB PER INCH IS DRUG FREE!,, NO ONE!

vince was hormonized and when went cleanlooked liek balonie,, fat went up to 10-12% and bodyweigth remained the same while lean muscle went down lol,, vince just wasnt phenominal responder,, he was an every day gym rat level respondr ,,

for god sake LEARN YOUR DAMN BODYBUILD FELLAS

gh15 approved

Like others have said, you are 100% wrong about Gironda.


Title: Re: Vince Gironda - True Natural Muscle (40 years ahead of his time)
Post by: Figo on October 03, 2011, 05:48:07 AM
gironda was the 1st prep guru, the duchaine of his day

the way he got actors ready for movies, and bbers in contest shape

he would take a small flabby mohammed makkawy, and within weeks have him stage ready

Im pretty sure it wasnt through glandulars and fancy exercise techniques, liver tabs, half&half cream...

gironda was ahead of his time with the training, diet and supps, but lets catch a wake up here, the guy knew what to do with drug-responding bbers, basically what he couldnt do with himself


Title: Re: Vince Gironda - True Natural Muscle (40 years ahead of his time)
Post by: rc2008 on October 03, 2011, 06:04:33 AM
its understandable why everyone thinks its impossible to put on muscle naturally when all we ever get are mostly lies from the prominent people in the industry. i can see why there are retards who think you can't have a six pack at 170lbs.


Title: Re: Vince Gironda - True Natural Muscle (40 years ahead of his time)
Post by: theheman on October 03, 2011, 06:05:28 AM
Like others have said, you are 100% wrong about Gironda.

No mister you're mistaken.  If you suspect someone to be on hormones then one way or another they are.  Gironda wasn't as a good responder to hormones as others maybe that's why he was always so bitter.  To think anyone in any athletic arena is natural is just foolish.


Title: Re: Vince Gironda - True Natural Muscle (40 years ahead of his time)
Post by: Trev on October 03, 2011, 06:26:08 AM
No mister you're mistaken.  If you suspect someone to be on hormones then one way or another they are.  Gironda wasn't as a good responder to hormones as others maybe that's why he was always so bitter.  To think anyone in any athletic arena is natural is just foolish.
Haha, line of the day by far. So if we all suspect you are a brainless idiot you are then?  ;D


Title: Re: Vince Gironda - True Natural Muscle (40 years ahead of his time)
Post by: Trev on October 03, 2011, 06:27:22 AM
its understandable why everyone thinks its impossible to put on muscle naturally when all we ever get are mostly lies from the prominent people in the industry. i can see why there are retards who think you can't have a six pack at 170lbs.
Great post mate, glad there is some intelligence on here at last


Title: Re: Vince Gironda - True Natural Muscle (40 years ahead of his time)
Post by: WillGrant on October 03, 2011, 06:28:49 AM
Hahahahaha ....... Spoken like a guy who took drugs from day one.
1) Gironda was absolutely natural - Hated the drugs in bidybuilding with a passion
2) He's fuckin small man but perfectly proportioned
3) I am 20 pounds heavier (in shape) than your impossible stats having never taken anymore than whey protein immediately after training so you are incorrect. Took me 20 years agreed but whats the hurry when you don't need to get on stage in your undies  ;)
Umm he was dead against drugs but ALL those top guys were enhanced - all the pics of guys in his books are enhanced , yet he used there images to sell his courses - another con man pure and simple


Title: Re: Vince Gironda - True Natural Muscle (40 years ahead of his time)
Post by: DK II on October 03, 2011, 06:34:26 AM
Umm he was dead against drugs but ALL those top guys were enhanced - all the pics of guys in his books are enhanced , yet he used there images to sell his courses - another con man pure and simple

this.


Title: Re: Vince Gironda - True Natural Muscle (40 years ahead of his time)
Post by: Dr Dutch on October 03, 2011, 06:40:22 AM
Looks ok, but "40 yrs ahead of his time".....?  :-\


Title: Re: Vince Gironda - True Natural Muscle (40 years ahead of his time)
Post by: Trev on October 03, 2011, 06:44:08 AM
Looks ok, but "40 yrs ahead of his time".....?  :-\
This was taken in the 1970's. The point is that he was ripped in the 1950's and the way he achieved it and many of his philosophies then are now used by many pros. Try and keep up!


Title: Re: Vince Gironda - True Natural Muscle (40 years ahead of his time)
Post by: Board_SHERIF on October 03, 2011, 07:24:51 AM
This was taken in the 1970's. The point is that he was ripped in the 1950's and the way he achieved it and many of his philosophies then are now used by many pros. Try and keep up!

true.......


Title: Re: Vince Gironda - True Natural Muscle (40 years ahead of his time)
Post by: The Grim Lifter on October 03, 2011, 07:29:22 AM
Hahahahaha ....... Spoken like a guy who took drugs from day one.
1) Gironda was absolutely natural - Hated the drugs in bidybuilding with a passion
2) He's fuckin small man but perfectly proportioned
3) I am 20 pounds heavier (in shape) than your impossible stats having never taken anymore than whey protein immediately after training so you are incorrect. Took me 20 years agreed but whats the hurry when you don't need to get on stage in your undies  ;)

You're forgetting the important point.

gh15 is god and since Vince one day stepped into a gym he has to be hormonised, any pics you see of him looking natural are after he came off gear, remember you can only gain 10 pounds naturally because that's twice what gh15 gained and he's just being generous


Title: Re: Vince Gironda - True Natural Muscle (40 years ahead of his time)
Post by: funk51 on October 03, 2011, 07:33:42 AM
Looks ok, but "40 yrs ahead of his time".....?  :-\
bob hinds from same era extreme def was frowned upom then judges didn't know what to make of it. they would sooner give a contest to bigger and smoother.


Title: Re: Vince Gironda - True Natural Muscle (40 years ahead of his time)
Post by: Trev on October 03, 2011, 07:34:27 AM
You're forgetting the important point.

gh15 is god and since Vince one day stepped into a gym he has to be hormonised, any pics you see of him looking natural are after he came off gear, remember you can only gain 10 pounds naturally because that's twice what gh15 gained and he's just being generous
Complete and utter crap


Title: Re: Vince Gironda - True Natural Muscle (40 years ahead of his time)
Post by: Dr Dutch on October 03, 2011, 12:12:41 PM
This was taken in the 1970's. The point is that he was ripped in the 1950's and the way he achieved it and many of his philosophies then are now used by many pros. Try and keep up!
Anyway I liked his column in MMI in the 90's..... :D


Title: Re: Vince Gironda - True Natural Muscle (40 years ahead of his time)
Post by: NarcissisticDeity on October 03, 2011, 12:18:21 PM
And SCOTT had to train legs in another gym.

I'd like to find it ... but Vince was a forward thinker when the subject of protein consumption reared its ugly head.

He didn't believe in flat bench presses , said they were useless for building pecs  ???


Title: Re: Vince Gironda - True Natural Muscle (40 years ahead of his time)
Post by: Dr Dutch on October 03, 2011, 12:19:23 PM
He didn't believe in flat bench presses , said they were useless for building pecs  ???
They are because they mess up your shoulders..


Title: Re: Vince Gironda - True Natural Muscle (40 years ahead of his time)
Post by: dyslexic on October 03, 2011, 12:21:22 PM
What about that Chet Yorton dude? He claimed to have started the natural movement and he just rags and rants on drugs in bodybuilding, yet his physique reeks of dope.


Did I just answer my own question?

Is he another "liar?"


Title: Re: Vince Gironda - True Natural Muscle (40 years ahead of his time)
Post by: NarcissisticDeity on October 03, 2011, 12:23:29 PM
They are because they mess up your shoulders..

Like squats some guys are designed to do them better than others

these guys built their pecs with flat bench presses


Title: Re: Vince Gironda - True Natural Muscle (40 years ahead of his time)
Post by: Dr Dutch on October 03, 2011, 12:25:42 PM
What about that Chet Yorton dude? He claimed to have started the natural movement and he just rags and rants on drugs in bodybuilding, yet his physique reeks of dope.


Did I just answer my own question?

Is he another "liar?"
I saw a youtube of the old fart. Don't know about his past, but he did beat Arnold once so he should shut up and be satisfied for the rest of his life...


Title: Re: Vince Gironda - True Natural Muscle (40 years ahead of his time)
Post by: NarcissisticDeity on October 03, 2011, 12:29:44 PM
I saw a youtube of the old fart. Don't know about his past, but he did beat Arnold once so he should shut up and be satisfied for the rest of his life...
;)


Title: Re: Vince Gironda - True Natural Muscle (40 years ahead of his time)
Post by: dyslexic on October 03, 2011, 06:07:54 PM
Yorton still poses on Muscle Beach in Venice and he's damn near 80.


Title: Re: Vince Gironda - True Natural Muscle (40 years ahead of his time)
Post by: jwb on October 03, 2011, 06:13:06 PM
Vince did flat benches but he did them to the neck with elbows super wide and called them neck presses.


Title: Re: Vince Gironda - True Natural Muscle (40 years ahead of his time)
Post by: gh15 on October 03, 2011, 07:47:32 PM
its understandable why everyone thinks its impossible to put on muscle naturally when all we ever get are mostly lies from the prominent people in the industry. i can see why there are retards who think you can't have a six pack at 170lbs.

lol,, you can have 6 pack at 170 5'10,, but this is where your bodybuukd will endifno hormones in system ,, and! most fellas at very low bodyfat as in 5-6% at 170 use hormones too lol,, this is the problem

as i said before... vince was just the old day guru that is replaced by this day LOCAL TOWN GURU ,, many of them even look liek vince ,, grey hair...older fellas in their 50s ...look like good granpas 65... butthey are only 50-55 lol they all are drug users and many of them of the belief you need to use low doses and use it smart....

lay nortom will one day be one fo them ,, wait and seee, this is only if he live to that age without livign bodybuild with shame or gettign so call sick..

you fellas under big big illusions but! its good,, yuo want to believe a dream its good its part of the human soul and learningprocess

gh15 approved


Title: Re: Vince Gironda - True Natural Muscle (40 years ahead of his time)
Post by: Viking11 on October 03, 2011, 08:53:51 PM
WoW.  You need drugs to gain 10 lbs?  Learn how to train lol.


Title: Re: Vince Gironda - True Natural Muscle (40 years ahead of his time)
Post by: no one on October 03, 2011, 08:59:03 PM
You are the one making bullshit claims, not him.

I have yet to see some "natural" bodybuilder" that exceeds exactly what gh15 says.

Funny enough that all "Naturals" that claim to be bigger either never post pics or are clearly on hormones and are lying their asses off, like Skip Liecour, Liar Norton, Chris Failure or Usotsuki Moody.  ::) ::)

Post a pic.

this.

you can bet if this dildo 'the wizard' was what he claimed to be hed post a pic in a heart beat showing how gh15 has no clue what hes talking about.

of course, we all know this will never happen.

so 'wizard' either post a pic showing gh15 is wrong, or shut the fuck up.


Title: Re: Vince Gironda - True Natural Muscle (40 years ahead of his time)
Post by: The Wizard on October 03, 2011, 11:11:32 PM
this.

you can bet if this dildo 'the wizard' was what he claimed to be hed post a pic in a heart beat showing how gh15 has no clue what hes talking about.

of course, we all know this will never happen.

so 'wizard' either post a pic showing gh15 is wrong, or shut the fuck up.
I don't bodybuild for anybody else. Never had any desire to get on stage and pose like a big pansy and certainly have never posed for any photographs, so nothing I can post. You can believe what you like but your Gfake15 guy hasn't posted anything either. I know I have built 30 pounds of natural muscle in about the same number of years which is no big deal considering the length of time. I've always stayed lean so was happy 2 stone ago as I looked very muscular. Size is not important to me although I am now pretty big compared to your average guy.
Gfake15 may be an expert on the drugs and hormones which is fine but he has no knowledge of what it takes to build natural muscle as he has never done it, so HE should shut the fuck up about natural issues.
He has shown he has no knowledge as anybody who is anybody in this "sport" could tell him that Vince was natural. He helped drug using bodybuilders and used their images for an income but hated what they stood for in his art.


Title: Re: Vince Gironda - True Natural Muscle (40 years ahead of his time)
Post by: dyslexic on October 03, 2011, 11:21:11 PM
I don't bodybuild for anybody else. Never had any desire to get on stage and pose like a big pansy and certainly have never posed for any photographs, so nothing I can post. You can believe what you like but your Gfake15 guy hasn't posted anything either. I know I have built 30 pounds of natural muscle in about the same number of years which is no big deal considering the length of time. I've always stayed lean so was happy 2 stone ago as I looked very muscular. Size is not important to me although I am now pretty big compared to your average guy.
Gfake15 may be an expert on the drugs and hormones which is fine but he has no knowledge of what it takes to build natural muscle as he has never done it, so HE should shut the fuck up about natural issues.
He has shown he has no knowledge as anybody who is anybody in this "sport" could tell him that Vince was natural. He helped drug using bodybuilders and used their images for an income but hated what they stood for in his art.


You do realize the irony in your post, don't you? Or do we chalk you up as yet another delusional Getbigger who spends more time contradicting and feebly attempting to defend himself with unwitting diatribes of nonsense?

"Pose like a big pansy..." ~ I don't know whether to laugh or cry.

How could Gh15 possibly be an expert on hormones without being thoroughly knowledgeable on the topic of "natural" (no such thing) bodybuilding? Think about it for a minute.


Title: Re: Vince Gironda - True Natural Muscle (40 years ahead of his time)
Post by: The Wizard on October 03, 2011, 11:43:19 PM

You do realize the irony in your post, don't you? Or do we chalk you up as yet another delusional Getbigger who spends more time contradicting and feebly attempting to defend himself with unwitting diatribes of nonsense?

"Pose like a big pansy..." ~ I don't know whether to laugh or cry.

How could Gh15 possibly be an expert on hormones without being thoroughly knowledgeable on the topic of "natural" (no such thing) bodybuilding? Think about it for a minute.
You don't understand how I see bodybuilding. I dieted down to 165 pounds to reveal all the muscles 25 years ago. As far as I was concerned then I was a bodybuilder as all my muscles were visible. I have then steadily worked up to 200 pounds through intelligent training and eating (regaining 15 pounds of muscle lost in the dieting very quickly). I see this as real bodybuilding.
Gfake15 hit the drugs and hormones like most of you within his first year of bodybuilding. He knows how these chemicals build physique but is NOT qualified to comment on whether or not natural muscle can be built because that is a world that's foreign to him. It slike me commenting on chinese culture and claiming my views are fact when I have never lived there.
I respect that gfake15 knows his drugs and hormones, so if thats your bag do listen to him coz he knows his shit I'm sure.


Title: Re: Vince Gironda - True Natural Muscle (40 years ahead of his time)
Post by: asbrus on October 04, 2011, 06:20:44 AM
lol,, you can have 6 pack at 170 5'10,, but this is where your bodybuukd will endifno hormones in system ,, and! most fellas at very low bodyfat as in 5-6% at 170 use hormones too lol,, this is the problem

as i said before... vince was just the old day guru that is replaced by this day LOCAL TOWN GURU ,, many of them even look liek vince ,, grey hair...older fellas in their 50s ...look like good granpas 65... butthey are only 50-55 lol they all are drug users and many of them of the belief you need to use low doses and use it smart....

lay nortom will one day be one fo them ,, wait and seee, this is only if he live to that age without livign bodybuild with shame or gettign so call sick..

you fellas under big big illusions but! its good,, yuo want to believe a dream its good its part of the human soul and learningprocess

gh15 approved

WELL THE PR0BLEM IS THAT IT'S G0TTEN T0 A RIDICUL0US P0INT T0 THE P0INT WHERE Y0U CANN0T EVEN PUT 0N 25 LBS 0F MUSCLE NATURALLY. EVEN IF Y0U HAVE NATURAL STATS AND PUT 0N 20 LBS 0F MUSCLE, Y0U'RE ACCUSED 0F R0IDING.


Title: Re: Vince Gironda - True Natural Muscle (40 years ahead of his time)
Post by: gh15 on October 04, 2011, 06:30:23 AM
true natural bodybuild,, aka creatine and protien powder with food,, well...it take all yoru life and really 247 no life type of activity ,, yuo haveno social life what so ever,, maybe movie once in a while but really your life is around kitchen and sleeping and maybefewhours work in the night,, other than that you train you rest you eat lol and the best of them also! do not get ovrer 170lb on stage at 5'10 they just do not,, if you see 170ln 5'10 on stage true natural you should kiss the ground he walk on ,, IF he is true natural because...yuo withness the real real real genetic marvels

gh15 approved


Title: Re: Vince Gironda - True Natural Muscle (40 years ahead of his time)
Post by: Trev on October 04, 2011, 06:35:35 AM
true natural bodybuild,, aka creatine and protien powder with food,, well...it take all yoru life and really 247 no life type of activity ,, yuo haveno social life what so ever,, maybe movie once in a while but really your life is around kitchen and sleeping and maybefewhours work in the night,, other than that you train you rest you eat lol and the best of them also! do not get ovrer 170lb on stage at 5'10 they just do not,, if you see 170ln 5'10 on stage true natural you should kiss the ground he walk on ,, IF he is true natural because...yuo withness the real real real genetic marvels

gh15 approved
Bloody elle!! I agree with this too. That's 2 now!!
5 foot 10 and 170 pounds competition ripped would be difficult indeed but possible if the individual got ready weeks ahead and recovered his way back up to that weight (more calories and muscle memory). 6-7% bodyfat can easily be maintained naturally though.


Title: Re: Vince Gironda - True Natural Muscle (40 years ahead of his time)
Post by: Dokey111 on October 04, 2011, 07:48:34 AM
I competed natural age 33 I think 5' 10" probably around 167 lbs.  Dieted ultra strict for months.  Now almost 20 yrs later I'm 220 and fat.  sux.  could probably do it again but dont want to! 


Title: Re: Vince Gironda - True Natural Muscle (40 years ahead of his time)
Post by: gh15 on October 04, 2011, 08:57:45 AM
Bloody elle!! I agree with this too. That's 2 now!!
5 foot 10 and 170 pounds competition ripped would be difficult indeed but possible if the individual got ready weeks ahead and recovered his way back up to that weight (more calories and muscle memory). 6-7% bodyfat can easily be maintained naturally though.

but! that 6%....doen naturaly ,,,when you are 169... and you stand there all marvelous lookig conditioned dry and cut....and veins all over...that condition is not that easy to maintain ,, ONE LITTLE FUCKUP ON SODIUM ...IF YOU DECREASE SODIUM AND GO WACK IN THE HEAD LIEK MOST NATURALS THAT DONT KNOW WHAT TO DO WITH THEMSELFS BEFORE COMEPTITION AND TRY ANYTHING...IF YOU DO THAT YOU

WILL FLATTEN OUT AND YOU WILL LOSE THEVEINS AND LOSE THEHARDNESS AND LOSE CONDITION TO SOME DEGREE,, IT WILL MAKE A DIFFBWTEEN 2 PLACE AND 4 PLACE,, AND IT CAN FUCK UP ....IT IS EASY TO MAINTAIN 7% YES....BUT THERE IS 7 PERCENT DRY AND THEN THERE IS 7 % FLAT ...WET... INBETWEEN ....

its very hard to maintain 6% dry because body want omeostasis,, the bodybuild who maintain it year round are LWAYS on hormones,, and not only that but they are mentaly sick abotu their condition ...they may not go to training if they take pic and think they lost some condition due to whatever ...this! is how fucked they are in head lol

generaly speaking you can be 170lb natural 6% ,,yes it has been done before...not at 5'6 btu 5'10 or so ,,done and achiavable

gh15 approved


Title: Re: Vince Gironda - True Natural Muscle (40 years ahead of his time)
Post by: The Abdominal Snoman on October 04, 2011, 01:53:33 PM
Proof you need to learn your "bodybuild"
Vince was famously drug free.
Just because you are nothing without the drugs, don't tar everyone with the same brush. There are millions of guys who have had or do have this much muscle (and more) without drugs. I'm one of them.

Skip is famously drug free. Derik Farnsworth famously drug free. Mike Ashley famous drug free. And so on and so on. Yet none of them were. :-\


Title: Re: Vince Gironda - True Natural Muscle (40 years ahead of his time)
Post by: Dreadlifter on October 04, 2011, 02:59:36 PM
Vince had some interesting ideas. The book he did with Robert Kennedy, i think there were two versions "the Wild Physique" and "Unleashing the Wild Physique" are worth a read.

It bewilders me how little some people think is possible without hormonization. I feel the Wizard is spot on when he says GH15 is clueless when it comes to building mass naturally. I'll bow down to the guy when it comes to the hormonally hocus pocus of gear, but when it comes to those without blood fulll of synthetic testosterone he seems just plain wrong. I mean how many times has he pretty much said stepping inside the gym without a vew shots of vitamin S in you is pointless.


Title: Re: Vince Gironda - True Natural Muscle (40 years ahead of his time)
Post by: asbrus on October 04, 2011, 03:03:32 PM
Vince had some interesting ideas. The book he did with Robert Kennedy, i think there were two versions "the Wild Physique" and "Unleashing the Wild Physique" are worth a read.

It bewilders me how little some people think is possible without hormonization. I feel the Wizard is spot on when he says GH15 is clueless when it comes to building mass naturally. I'll bow down to the guy when it comes to the hormonally hocus pocus of gear, but when it comes to those without blood fulll of synthetic testosterone he seems just plain wrong. I mean how many times has he pretty much said stepping inside the gym without a vew shots of vitamin S in you is pointless.



THE PR0BLEM WITH GETBIG IS THAT EVEN IF Y0U HAVE NATURAL STATS, Y0U CARRY "WATER RETENTI0N" AND ARE DEEMED A STER0ID USER EVEN IF Y0U PUT 0N 20 LBS 0F MUSCLE.


Title: Re: Vince Gironda - True Natural Muscle (40 years ahead of his time)
Post by: RC Money on October 04, 2011, 08:23:45 PM
Drug Free and nearly 50 when this was taken. All the top guys in the 1960's and '70's including Arnold, Louie, Zane all went to stay and train with Vince and promoted his beliefs.
He knew the secrets of real natural bodybuilding.
Secretly lie about drug use?


Title: Re: Vince Gironda - True Natural Muscle (40 years ahead of his time)
Post by: magikusar on December 10, 2012, 04:37:04 AM
No mister you're mistaken.  If you suspect someone to be on hormones then one way or another they are.  Gironda wasn't as a good responder to hormones as others maybe that's why he was always so bitter.  To think anyone in any athletic arena is natural is just foolish.

truthin!!   ;D

nba nfl all roids
strippers? roids and lipo and tits and face sugery
its a faek world trying to sell you shit ona bun


Title: Re: Vince Gironda - True Natural Muscle (40 years ahead of his time)
Post by: Irongrip400 on December 10, 2012, 04:45:27 AM
Did he ever gave it back Bob?.... :D

Yes, at the Mirage Hotel, by the ice machine...


Title: Re: Vince Gironda - True Natural Muscle (40 years ahead of his time)
Post by: oldtimer1 on December 10, 2012, 01:02:55 PM
This sport is based on drugs. No drugs and you have no sport. Bodybuilders love to say all sports drug because they all will look like they never trained 6 months off drugs.  They are all training experts when they a juicing. Most give up lifting when they stop juicing for months because it feels like a waste of time.

You can look really built without the assist and cosmetic drug bloated muscles. You will never win a contest but you will have your health.