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Title: AAS & Hair Loss
Post by: Borracho on October 13, 2011, 07:06:02 AM
Eventually I may be bald. I hope to delay that for as long as possible but I would still like to get on some hormones. I was thinking anavar and primo cycles. Just wondering if any of guys have been able to delay mpb or at least minimize it while getting benefits from aas.


Title: Re: Hair Loss
Post by: efanhowz on October 14, 2011, 02:24:50 AM
Nizoral 2% shampoo
No winny no masteron obviously
On paper tren is fine but it makes me shed
Everyone is different, trial and error


Title: Re: Hair Loss
Post by: Borracho on October 14, 2011, 02:32:20 PM
Nizoral 2% shampoo
No winny no masteron obviously
On paper tren is fine but it makes me shed
Everyone is different, trial and error

I guess the only way to know what will affect ME is to go ahead and try different aas. Would it be safe to say that even low dose test (under 400) may affect my hair?

Or is this one of those personal things?

 


Title: Re: Hair Loss
Post by: lyquid on October 14, 2011, 07:33:10 PM
most all steroids increase of oily skin. And oily hair. What does this do? Oil in the hair called sebum which is around the foicle not only thought to produce dht but always has a abdunance of dht. Nizorl anti fungal and cleaning shampoo is made to get rid of sebum. That's how it also works as a anti androgen dht blocker on the scalp. Most don't use it properly for steroid use. Its use on the bottle to leave on during shower is for dandruff control. The japanese study if you googled it was left on over night with amazing results. Almost total regrowth all over along with stopping shedding.

reason to leave it on overnight is it'll stop the sebum from  forming leaving ur hair dht free so it has time to live healthly and regrow..

during daytime if hairloss is sevre use spironlactone cream a dht blocker and total androgen blocker. Anf some emu oil. A dht blocket and increases skin thickness by 2.5 the amount of nornal persons skin.

how does tht help you may ask? Mpb paitents in studies all had very thin skin on the scalp. Not a healthy environment for hair growth and ur hair folcile. Along with much more dht receptors but I won't get into that. So emu oil blocking dht and increasing skin thickness is another angle. Along with emu oil only product proven to increase skin and hair dna sysnthesis by 20 percent. So a proven anti ageing cream as well.

so there I a few angles but many steroid users leaving nizoral on is enuff for stopping hair loss. If you are a sever baldy consider the other products.

much more but I don't wanna be here all night.

take zinc supplement multi vitamin and extra b compex. B vitamins are needed for hair growth and biton is one of them.

bad fats are proven to increase scalp dht.  The american diet has many bald men while pre world war 2 showed chinese n japanese men with no baldess super rare and now there jsust as bad from taking on the american diet.  There's studies on that to google it.

so with all those in factor use deca alone high doses for good gains ull be fine. If you wanna use test add finasteride if you want on cycle. But all those that I mentioned for topicals will always stop hairloss try it ull see.

but deca alone with topicals even test can't fuxk you up with the items I pointed out. Since dht is completly blunted topivally. And remember a protocol without nizoral is pointless. Thts why finasteride on its own never fully works or has good regrowth. Its proven but not talked about how sebeum and oily scalp eith dht goes hand in hand. Block dht and block n keep sebum cleared and hairloss is blocked.

also azelaic acid and zinc xreams block dht. So many pathways and items. Stixk to those basics depends on how prone you are. I've never had ti resort to rogaine or finasteride thank god. Finasteride and its libido doesn't sound to nice the effects. And rogaine has shown  to severely inhibit skin elasticiy many men complain of looking 10 years older after its use.

stick to the topicals without side effwxts is all I can say. Good luck any more questions lemme know.


Title: Re: Hair Loss
Post by: Borracho on October 15, 2011, 11:46:11 AM
Holy shit bro, thanks for all the info. I used to use nizoral shampoo but didn't know that leaving it on overnight was a lot better. Did use Rogaine before but it was a pain in the ass to use nightly and I read somewhere that the benefits could be do to the fact that blood flow is increased to the scalp cause of the constant massaging. Didn't notice any ill effects with that though.

Luckily I had really thick hair in my teens otherwise I'd probably be bald now at 30. Definitely thinner now than ever but still not too noticeable. I was thinking about trying spironlactone and finasteride but they affect more than just your scalp which I rather not do.

So I still haven't touched hormones cause I've been afraid of going bald. I used to say that when I lose my hair   I'll juice. I don't wanna wait any longer and I hope I never go bald. but if I do lose my hair I would like it to be naturally cause if it was due to hormones I would really be kicking myself over it. I used to shave my head and I know I get better reactions from women with hair. So I feel more confident with it. God, what a bitch I sound like.

So anyway ....you're saying that high dose of deca with nizoral I should be good. Also what dose do you recommend??

I'm 5'9 203lbs right now 15% bf

gonna bring that down 10% bf or less around 190 before I do anything.

Also is there a way to tell if a specific hormone is affecting your hair other than actually seeing it fall out more than usual?


Title: Re: Hair Loss
Post by: lyquid on October 15, 2011, 12:49:53 PM
Eventually I may be bald. I hope to delay that for as long as possible but I would still like to get on some hormones. I was thinking anavar and primo cycles. Just wondering if any of guys have been able to delay mpb or at least minimize it while getting benefits from aas.

first I'd say regain hair for a few weeks see how you respond. I hae regrown my hair and keep it. I shed bad if I stop my wonders for a few weeks.

do nizoral overnight for abit. It'll be itchy first few weeks in nizoral when you shampoo I noticed. Than when you do over night its fine. Use conditioner in morning. Nizoral drys on nicely no mess and hair smells super clean its nice.

that will most likely fix ur problems. I use a little spirolactone in the temples sometimes don't. I stil not sure how effect I've it is on paper its good. So you decide on the spiro. Topical spiro only of course.

and emu oil I suggest that one to. Both those will hinder that dht perfectly no build up of dht or sebum will be seen its a gaurwnteed lol.

I have used 400mg test a day so far with no shedding. You miss the niz for awjile you will shed lol. Every other nite is fine to it seems. And npp I've used 200mg a day which is fast deca of course. so ur choice. Most don't have problms with deca npp regardless but just stick to topicalls and it'll ensure it. Yes nandrolone converts to very weak androgen dhn n very weak at binding to receptors. But high doses in theory may cause hairloss cause the parent hormone still floating around is a strong androgen. But I have yet to see anyone complain of hairloss from deca. If they did was probably bunk shit. Decas more expensive than test. And underground labs have been busted many times before for putting test is everything n labelling it deca primo eq etc.

so stick to those topicals n ull be fine. Beware of eq winny n tren. Never was overboard on topicals on them but they hurt my hair line n shedding bad. Eq converts to a even stronger androgen dhb. Although in very small amounts. So I've seen mixed reviews on  no hairloss and some get it. Again like gh15 says most eq is fake anyways so tats why it prob don't cause hairloss. Its prob low dose deca in most cases labelled eq.

all I know is eq I got made me shed worse than test.

again lke I said my hair is fine. Full results may take a year. Expect to see nice results in a month even on niz emu. And others.


Title: Re: Hair Loss
Post by: Borracho on October 15, 2011, 04:39:43 PM
Gonna look into that emu oil and will get on that overnight nizoral asap before anything. Once I my get ass into shape I will start jabbing myself probably with some deca at a moderate dose. btw hows 400mgs a day of test feel like?




Title: Re: Hair Loss
Post by: lyquid on October 15, 2011, 09:21:20 PM
Gonna look into that emu oil and will get on that overnight nizoral asap before anything. Once I my get ass into shape I will start jabbing myself probably with some deca at a moderate dose. btw hows 400mgs a day of test feel like?




remember what gh15 says. Don't wait to long younger the better1 lol.
and its great. Still pissed that I wasted yrs doing low doses. N not gaining past my first few cycles. Lets just say a good solid pound a day first 3 wks. Now back to npp 200mg a day. To compare. Seems gains are slight slower. I think just less water weight tho. Getting so many noticeable compliments. Not the that guys pretty big or loks good. Getting the "holy.." compliments now lol. Loooove it.

feels no differarnt than less test rly. Just get bigger faster less fat gain alot of muscle gain pops outta ur skin the muscle it grows so fast looks like lol. Def don't regret it. If it keeps going a pound a day or every other day it'll be so exciting. I believe gh15 says only takes 6 months to be pretty adanced bodybuilder. Don't waste ur time on 7 years of 500 test or 500 test 400 deca a wk lol. Good place to start but don't stay there. Specially since even I'm walking proof you can stop hairloss. Like I said try it naturally hairloss products ull see ur shedding stops completly and you regrow some. Than no excuses.


Title: Re: Hair Loss
Post by: Borracho on October 16, 2011, 05:52:33 AM
I would've thought that with higher doses the side effects would increase as well. I'm glad thats not the case and I look forward to doing nearly 3 gs of test a week someday too.  ;D


Title: Re: Hair Loss
Post by: balzac on October 16, 2011, 08:29:28 AM
dutasteride is excellent against hairloss and for nice skin


Title: Re: Hair Loss
Post by: lyquid on October 16, 2011, 09:08:58 AM
dutasteride is excellent against hairloss and for nice skin

I was looking big int it before myself. But even on saw palmetto the herbal it effects my libido and many others to. It seems maybe on cycle could use a systematic dht inhibitor. But really the topicals work just as good. Without side effects.

people don't see as good results because like I said they use creams or nizral for 5 minue showers. Whoop dedoo. It clears the dht filled sebum off your scalp for 5 mins. Leaving it on over night like in the japenese study simply works amazing. There are pictures with the studies and the results were outstanding. And I believe it for what its done to me as well.



Title: Re: Hair Loss
Post by: pellius on October 16, 2011, 12:10:11 PM
most all steroids increase of oily skin. And oily hair. What does this do? Oil in the hair called sebum which is around the foicle not only thought to produce dht but always has a abdunance of dht. Nizorl anti fungal and cleaning shampoo is made to get rid of sebum. That's how it also works as a anti androgen dht blocker on the scalp. Most don't use it properly for steroid use. Its use on the bottle to leave on during shower is for dandruff control. The japanese study if you googled it was left on over night with amazing results. Almost total regrowth all over along with stopping shedding.

reason to leave it on overnight is it'll stop the sebum from  forming leaving ur hair dht free so it has time to live healthly and regrow..

during daytime if hairloss is sevre use spironlactone cream a dht blocker and total androgen blocker. Anf some emu oil. A dht blocket and increases skin thickness by 2.5 the amount of nornal persons skin.

how does tht help you may ask? Mpb paitents in studies all had very thin skin on the scalp. Not a healthy environment for hair growth and ur hair folcile. Along with much more dht receptors but I won't get into that. So emu oil blocking dht and increasing skin thickness is another angle. Along with emu oil only product proven to increase skin and hair dna sysnthesis by 20 percent. So a proven anti ageing cream as well.

so there I a few angles but many steroid users leaving nizoral on is enuff for stopping hair loss. If you are a sever baldy consider the other products.

much more but I don't wanna be here all night.

take zinc supplement multi vitamin and extra b compex. B vitamins are needed for hair growth and biton is one of them.

bad fats are proven to increase scalp dht.  The american diet has many bald men while pre world war 2 showed chinese n japanese men with no baldess super rare and now there jsust as bad from taking on the american diet.  There's studies on that to google it.

so with all those in factor use deca alone high doses for good gains ull be fine. If you wanna use test add finasteride if you want on cycle. But all those that I mentioned for topicals will always stop hairloss try it ull see.

but deca alone with topicals even test can't fuxk you up with the items I pointed out. Since dht is completly blunted topivally. And remember a protocol without nizoral is pointless. Thts why finasteride on its own never fully works or has good regrowth. Its proven but not talked about how sebeum and oily scalp eith dht goes hand in hand. Block dht and block n keep sebum cleared and hairloss is blocked.

also azelaic acid and zinc xreams block dht. So many pathways and items. Stixk to those basics depends on how prone you are. I've never had ti resort to rogaine or finasteride thank god. Finasteride and its libido doesn't sound to nice the effects. And rogaine has shown  to severely inhibit skin elasticiy many men complain of looking 10 years older after its use.

stick to the topicals without side effwxts is all I can say. Good luck any more questions lemme know.

You're suppose to use minoxildil twice a day, morning and night. After you use Nizoral at night can you still add minoxidil? Will mixing it change anything? And often should you use the shampoo. I read that you should not use it everyday by 2-3/week.


Title: Re: Hair Loss
Post by: lyquid on October 16, 2011, 03:09:33 PM
You're suppose to use minoxildil twice a day, morning and night. After you use Nizoral at night can you still add minoxidil? Will mixing it change anything? And often should you use the shampoo. I read that you should not use it everyday by 2-3/week.

never used minoxfil. I don't think its worth it. Its severely bad for ur face and colegen sysnthesis. Google rogaine and face ageing. Thousands of users claim to look 10 years older and depressed now from its use. I believe it may work good. But not worth it to me when there's safwr options.

yes package says use twice a aweek for nizoral. But re read the botte. That's the suggestion for dandruf control and to use it once a week afterwards. We don't want to control dandruf. We are using it for its sebum clearing effects and its mild anti androgen use as well. But we need it for longer than a 5 min shower. Think of it this way completly cleared head of sebum and dht. No inflamtion which causes the hair loss from dht. No dht. No sebum filled dht either. Perfect way to fight it no doubt about it. Its just using it 3 times a week for 5 minute showers won't work with us who are fill of test and other androgens. But over nite is perfect. Try it ull see.


Title: Re: Hair Loss
Post by: pellius on October 16, 2011, 10:17:16 PM
never used minoxfil. I don't think its worth it. Its severely bad for ur face and colegen sysnthesis. Google rogaine and face ageing. Thousands of users claim to look 10 years older and depressed now from its use. I believe it may work good. But not worth it to me when there's safwr options.

yes package says use twice a aweek for nizoral. But re read the botte. That's the suggestion for dandruf control and to use it once a week afterwards. We don't want to control dandruf. We are using it for its sebum clearing effects and its mild anti androgen use as well. But we need it for longer than a 5 min shower. Think of it this way completly cleared head of sebum and dht. No inflamtion which causes the hair loss from dht. No dht. No sebum filled dht either. Perfect way to fight it no doubt about it. Its just using it 3 times a week for 5 minute showers won't work with us who are fill of test and other androgens. But over nite is perfect. Try it ull see.

So you recommend using Nizoral everyday?

Never heard that about minox but glad to know.

Also, can you use emu oil and spiro at the same time? If not, what should you use first and how long before you can use the other?

Thanks again for the info. I'm not balding although it looks like my hair has thinned over the years (I'm 50) so I want to catch it before it starts. I've been thinking about it lately because I notice my brother, who is a few years older than me, is starting to bald.


Title: Re: Hair Loss
Post by: lyquid on October 17, 2011, 05:47:29 AM
So you recommend using Nizoral everyday?

Never heard that about minox but glad to know.

Also, can you use emu oil and spiro at the same time? If not, what should you use first and how long before you can use the other?

Thanks again for the info. I'm not balding although it looks like my hair has thinned over the years (I'm 50) so I want to catch it before it starts. I've been thinking about it lately because I notice my brother, who is a few years older than me, is starting to bald.

my father has same type of baldness. I have more of my mothers brother my uncle. The receding hairline and bald patch at back etc well I was getting it. I have pics. The changes have been dramatic to say the least.

but yea my father had the thinning all over just up to very thin tho and a slight widows peak.

the emu oil is  a natural carrier and only thing natural I believe that penetrates all layers of skin taking whatever with it down with it. So putting spiro on with it may make spiro go systematic. I'd only assume it would. I sometimes do it tho. But I'd generally hit up spiro when I don't use emu oil. Such as emu oil every other night and spiro in mornings and afternoons or so on.

gotta remember spiro not only blocks dht and androgens alike but also increases estrogens topically. Only topically. Which is needed for hair growth. Its touted as the best item out there latly. But I've really seen best results with nizoral over night. Spiro is only a 4 hr active time I believe as well.

I'd say do the nizoral everyday to every other day. Ull see results. Than emu oil everyother or everynite. Its just messy is all the niz drys on instantly. Emu oil is messy. You must wipe down excess oil with towel or paper towel after. And the spiro I only really apply to temples now as a just in case. Spiro looks amazing on paper but I guess I never got to see what it could do on its own since I added it last when I alry had almost full regrowth. I'm pretty sure I'm 95 percent full regrowth. Hard to tell cause I believe my head n face has gotten bigger and makes it look like a tiny widows peak. My head has grown that's for sure from putting on alot of pounds.

remember if I did not mention I can't remember. The emu oil is abit essential since in men with androgen aplocea male patter baldness they all shared same characteristics. And one of them was very thin scalps. Not suitable for growth of hair and foicle life. And the emu oil has proven to increase skin thickness by 2.5x no lie its alot lol. So it def is needed. Treat skin thinness. Scalp dht and over all scalp androgens and inflamation and that's all you need. And nizoral and emu do all of that. And last would be spiro. Since nizoral I don't know for sure is either just dht blocker or total androgen blocker. Which hair doesn't like either high androgen or dht. So spiro blocks both dht ad androgens.


Title: Re: Hair Loss
Post by: aleksis on October 17, 2011, 08:47:12 AM
Guys what u think all that stuff like aromasin, arimidex , letrozole cause hair loss???


Title: Re: Hair Loss
Post by: Borracho on October 17, 2011, 09:53:05 AM
Well, if using finasteride(dht inhibitor) can increase the chance of gyno on a test cycle....than using an anti-e must allow for a greater amount to be converted into dht which may lead to hair loss in predisposed individuals. I
may be wrong ....I'm just thinking out loud.


Title: Re: Hair Loss
Post by: pellius on October 17, 2011, 11:42:09 AM
my father has same type of baldness. I have more of my mothers brother my uncle. The receding hairline and bald patch at back etc well I was getting it. I have pics. The changes have been dramatic to say the least.

but yea my father had the thinning all over just up to very thin tho and a slight widows peak.

the emu oil is  a natural carrier and only thing natural I believe that penetrates all layers of skin taking whatever with it down with it. So putting spiro on with it may make spiro go systematic. I'd only assume it would. I sometimes do it tho. But I'd generally hit up spiro when I don't use emu oil. Such as emu oil every other night and spiro in mornings and afternoons or so on.

gotta remember spiro not only blocks dht and androgens alike but also increases estrogens topically. Only topically. Which is needed for hair growth. Its touted as the best item out there latly. But I've really seen best results with nizoral over night. Spiro is only a 4 hr active time I believe as well.

I'd say do the nizoral everyday to every other day. Ull see results. Than emu oil everyother or everynite. Its just messy is all the niz drys on instantly. Emu oil is messy. You must wipe down excess oil with towel or paper towel after. And the spiro I only really apply to temples now as a just in case. Spiro looks amazing on paper but I guess I never got to see what it could do on its own since I added it last when I alry had almost full regrowth. I'm pretty sure I'm 95 percent full regrowth. Hard to tell cause I believe my head n face has gotten bigger and makes it look like a tiny widows peak. My head has grown that's for sure from putting on alot of pounds.

remember if I did not mention I can't remember. The emu oil is abit essential since in men with androgen aplocea male patter baldness they all shared same characteristics. And one of them was very thin scalps. Not suitable for growth of hair and foicle life. And the emu oil has proven to increase skin thickness by 2.5x no lie its alot lol. So it def is needed. Treat skin thinness. Scalp dht and over all scalp androgens and inflamation and that's all you need. And nizoral and emu do all of that. And last would be spiro. Since nizoral I don't know for sure is either just dht blocker or total androgen blocker. Which hair doesn't like either high androgen or dht. So spiro blocks both dht ad androgens.

Man, you are a wealth of knowledge. Thanks again. But.... still want to pick your brain more.

I figure the emu oil would be messy. I don't think I'd want to use it in the morning and go to work with oily hair. But if I'm using Nizoral at night (BTW, non of the stores have it any more. There's some prob with production and they're no making it anymore you can buy just what's left) and leaving it on. Can I then put the emu oil on? For me, both the Nizoral and emu has to be used at night. Can it be mixed together?

Another thing. I never heard of emu oil. How come it's not also used for facial wrinkles? It would seem to be ideal for that.


Title: Re: Hair Loss
Post by: El Diablo Blanco on October 17, 2011, 12:12:12 PM
Man, you are a wealth of knowledge. Thanks again. But.... still want to pick your brain more.

I figure the emu oil would be messy. I don't think I'd want to use it in the morning and go to work with oily hair. But if I'm using Nizoral at night (BTW, non of the stores have it any more. There's some prob with production and they're no making it anymore you can buy just what's left) and leaving it on. Can I then put the emu oil on? For me, both the Nizoral and emu has to be used at night. Can it be mixed together?

Another thing. I never heard of emu oil. How come it's not also used for facial wrinkles? It would seem to be ideal for that.

Check out
http://www.amazon.com/Hair-Shampoo-Ketoconazole-Exfoliating-Penetration/dp/B004X34T4S

This shampoo has the Nizoral chemical in it plus emu oil, saw palmetto etc...  Sounds pretty decent.


Title: Re: Hair Loss
Post by: lyquid on October 17, 2011, 12:30:09 PM
Man, you are a wealth of knowledge. Thanks again. But.... still want to pick your brain more.

I figure the emu oil would be messy. I don't think I'd want to use it in the morning and go to work with oily hair. But if I'm using Nizoral at night (BTW, non of the stores have it any more. There's some prob with production and they're no making it anymore you can buy just what's left) and leaving it on. Can I then put the emu oil on? For me, both the Nizoral and emu has to be used at night. Can it be mixed together?

Another thing. I never heard of emu oil. How come it's not also used for facial wrinkles? It would seem to be ideal for that.

yes I would not put emu oil either in morning. I had great results as emu oil as my main dht blocker before bed every night. What I do now is either alternate. Or put the nizoral on first anytime at night time since it don't stink. Than after a few hours it dries than put emu oil on. Or like I said alternate each nite.

and nizoral being discountied never heard. I live in canada 2 percent is able to be bought anywhere without prescription. And I believe there is some dctor lee shampoo wth it in it as well.

I am still messing around with wht will work best myself since my hairloss can be sevre. I stop usng this stuff and on a cycle I will shed like no tomorrow and day by day you can see my hairline go back.

if not on steroids than I can go a few weeks and shed at a normal rate almost. But on the products and no steroids I am lucky to shed 4 hairs a day.

I say play around with it. Nizoral eod atleast keeping scalp sebum free. And emu oil eod maybe to or like I said later in the day. After the niz has dried in.

remember to wash the emu oil out in morning and nizoral eith conditoner. I use head n shoylders zinc shampoo and conditioner in one. Cause you don't wsnt the emu oil in there for a day straight as it is excess oil.
but there are some studies on how good again emu oil is at being proven to increase skin and hair dna sysnethsis by 20 percent.

I use to use it on my face . Now just can't bother hate having to wash my face so much its naturally oily.

but specially being older ud probably benefit from it greatly. Be looking 19 in no time lol. Skin thickness. Elasticity. Skin dna sysnethis I mean it really is the only proven product for anti skin ageing it seems.


Title: Re: Hair Loss
Post by: lyquid on October 17, 2011, 12:32:58 PM
Well, if using finasteride(dht inhibitor) can increase the chance of gyno on a test cycle....than using an anti-e must allow for a greater amount to be converted into dht which may lead to hair loss in predisposed individuals. I
may be wrong ....I'm just thinking aloud.


again why I don't like systematic drugs like that. I am very gyni prone even after surgery. Why take the systematic drug which doesn't even offer full dht blockage in the scalp. Yet hurts libido cause lack of dht and muscule hardness and strength.

the topicals can clear fully dht in scalp. Block it. And prevent it from forming.


Title: Re: Hair Loss
Post by: pellius on October 17, 2011, 01:44:03 PM
Check out
http://www.amazon.com/Hair-Shampoo-Ketoconazole-Exfoliating-Penetration/dp/B004X34T4S

This shampoo has the Nizoral chemical in it plus emu oil, saw palmetto etc...  Sounds pretty decent.

I wonder what's the percent of Ketoconnazole? I've read that if it's not the 2% solution it's not very effective.


Title: Re: Hair Loss
Post by: lyquid on October 17, 2011, 01:57:12 PM
I wonder what's the percent of Ketoconnazole? I've read that if it's not the 2% solution it's not very effective.

very much what I've read to. Product looks good if you want to use minoxdil for sure. But I think its the last thing us testosterones users need. Tesosterone old mans face and add a extra 10 years with rogaine. We will look like branch warrens face  or titus in his 30s when it caught up with him lol.


Title: Re: Hair Loss
Post by: pellius on October 18, 2011, 12:37:08 PM
very much what I've read to. Product looks good if you want to use minoxdil for sure. But I think its the last thing us testosterones users need. Tesosterone old mans face and add a extra 10 years with rogaine. We will look like branch warrens face  or titus in his 30s when it caught up with him lol.

Well, I did look up the Japanese study on Nizoral. I hate to say it but it doesn't seem as convincing when you actually read it. First, they didn't use the shampoo but rather a ketoconazole cream. Also, they only did it on six subjects. Two had great results, one had OK results after a year and the other three had no results.

So, like all things dealing with this condition. It works for some but not for others. As of now, there seems to be no "cure" and for most people, if your genetic makeup tends towards baldness, you're going to go bald.


Title: Re: Hair Loss
Post by: deadz on October 18, 2011, 05:18:04 PM
I can't imagine leaving Niz on all night. Your scalp would be so dry.


Title: Re: Hair Loss
Post by: g101 on October 18, 2011, 09:02:38 PM
You can use products to prevent/maintain hair that you have and also hair loss is genetic

but don't forget guys... if you experience hair loss go get a blood test... low test/high estrogen can lead to hair loss, so can hypothyroidsm

some people's lives are like shit because there's something wrong with them and don't seek treatment


Title: Re: Hair Loss
Post by: lyquid on October 19, 2011, 09:54:46 AM
Well, I did look up the Japanese study on Nizoral. I hate to say it but it doesn't seem as convincing when you actually read it. First, they didn't use the shampoo but rather a ketoconazole cream. Also, they only did it on six subjects. Two had great results, one had OK results after a year and the other three had no results.

So, like all things dealing with this condition. It works for some but not for others. As of now, there seems to be no "cure" and for most people, if your genetic makeup tends towards baldness, you're going to go bald.

ya it is a cream and small study but try it out. Like any hairloss program it takes months. But I guarantee weeks ull see a differance. I will try and post my pics. I had a very bad hairline very. And I look great now.

and about niz making your scalp dry to the other guy. I had dry and itchy scalp first 2 to 3 weeks of use. After that it seems to do oppisite. I put it on my scalp feels very refreshed and actually. And you wake up with a very fresh head actually and clean and soft loking hair. All users only have problem first month or less on niz than ur body loves it it seems lol.



Title: Re: Hair Loss
Post by: lyquid on October 19, 2011, 09:57:53 AM
You can use products to prevent/maintain hair that you have and also hair loss is genetic

but don't forget guys... if you experience hair loss go get a blood test... low test/high estrogen can lead to hair loss, so can hypothyroidsm

some people's lives are like shit because there's something wrong with them and don't seek treatment

 I am a family of baldys myself and it hit me like all sevre cases at 19ish.

also steroids never helped. But if you try all of the balding you can hopfully regrow hair cause I've grown alot. I hope some others try it cause it works amazing guys. The few poducts without side effects.


Title: Re: Hair Loss
Post by: deadz on October 19, 2011, 10:56:23 AM
I noticed in the past few months grocery stores and pharmacies stopped selling Niz. ???


Title: Re: Hair Loss
Post by: pellius on October 19, 2011, 11:44:07 AM
ya it is a cream and small study but try it out. Like any hairloss program it takes months. But I guarantee weeks ull see a differance. I will try and post my pics. I had a very bad hairline very. And I look great now.

and about niz making your scalp dry to the other guy. I had dry and itchy scalp first 2 to 3 weeks of use. After that it seems to do oppisite. I put it on my scalp feels very refreshed and actually. And you wake up with a very fresh head actually and clean and soft loking hair. All users only have problem first month or less on niz than ur body loves it it seems lol.



OK, so do you use the Nizoral cream or shampoo that you leave overnight. Right now I have the 2% shampoo. Can I use that as a cream? Sometimes when I get home real late I'm too tired to take a shower. Instead of shampooing my hair with the Niz can I just massage it in with my hair dry and leave that in overnight?


Title: Re: Hair Loss
Post by: pellius on October 19, 2011, 11:46:50 AM

 I am a family of baldys myself and it hit me like all sevre cases at 19ish.

also steroids never helped. But if you try all of the balding you can hopfully regrow hair cause I've grown alot. I hope some others try it cause it works amazing guys. The few poducts without side effects.

I'm sold. I'm not balding yet but I'm 51 and there has been some thinning. My brother who's a four years older just started balding. It's getting pretty thin on top. I figure it's better to try to keep your hair then try to regrow it.


Title: Re: Hair Loss
Post by: Borracho on October 19, 2011, 12:08:33 PM
I noticed in the past few months grocery stores and pharmacies stopped selling Niz. ???

Read somewhere online that they relocated their manufacturing plant and are waiting for fda approval of their new site.


Title: Re: Hair Loss
Post by: lyquid on October 19, 2011, 01:41:12 PM
OK, so do you use the Nizoral cream or shampoo that you leave overnight. Right now I have the 2% shampoo. Can I use that as a cream? Sometimes when I get home real late I'm too tired to take a shower. Instead of shampooing my hair with the Niz can I just massage it in with my hair dry and leave that in overnight?

shampoo. Exactly what I do. I put aprox a nickel size amount in the palm of my hand. Use other hand with my finger to dab the little puddle in my the hand and rub it in on differarnt spots. Temple gets a little dab and all over the top scalp. If nizoral still irrtaes you when it doesn't ur hair feels really fresh and clean all night and in morning conditioner it out over sink. My hair is super soft and shiney after to and noticeably thicker.

I regrow most my hair. I got lazy with doing this and didn't for weeks at a time. Did a cycle and almost lost it all again. aso I am regaining it back again now. Working great.


Title: Re: Hair Loss
Post by: lyquid on October 19, 2011, 01:42:57 PM
Read somewhere online that they relocated their manufacturing plant and are waiting for fda approval of their new site.

in canada seems to be np. If ur having trouble try canadian websites. Canadian wal mart. Shoppers drug mart or canadian costco.


Title: Re: Hair Loss
Post by: Borracho on October 19, 2011, 04:20:29 PM
I got some but I noticed some people online saying it was discontinued. As lyquid mentioned you guys can get it online if you can't find it a your local stores.


Title: Re: Hair Loss
Post by: lyquid on October 19, 2011, 05:43:50 PM
I'm sold. I'm not balding yet but I'm 51 and there has been some thinning. My brother who's a four years older just started balding. It's getting pretty thin on top. I figure it's better to try to keep your hair then try to regrow it.

I see the shampoo just as good as the cream I mean its the saem chemical just some added shampoo crap. On the hairloss forums there are other guys that do this as well I have found. Claiming complete stopage of shedding. But no regrowth. All I know I that mine ha regrown. Either the nizoral or emu oil. But as you can ee they both play a good role but he nizoral alone I'm impressed at all its feats. Since the emu oil can't clear the sebum and hairloss doctors and scientist are paying alot of attention to sebum now discoering that it harbours the dht and possibly makes it on its own.


Title: Re: Hair Loss
Post by: pellius on October 19, 2011, 05:47:45 PM
I see the shampoo just as good as the cream I mean its the saem chemical just some added shampoo crap. On the hairloss forums there are other guys that do this as well I have found. Claiming complete stopage of shedding. But no regrowth. All I know I that mine ha regrown. Either the nizoral or emu oil. But as you can ee they both play a good role but he nizoral alone I'm impressed at all its feats. Since the emu oil can't clear the sebum and hairloss doctors and scientist are paying alot of attention to sebum now discoering that it harbours the dht and possibly makes it on its own.

Thanks again for all the help and advice.


Title: Re: Hair Loss
Post by: lyquid on October 19, 2011, 06:17:19 PM
Thanks again for all the help and advice.

np. Make sure you pot back with some updates and which products yu went with.


Title: Re: Hair Loss
Post by: deadz on October 19, 2011, 07:55:59 PM
Thanks again for all the help and advice.
Your hair looked thick in one of the pics you posted.


Title: Re: Hair Loss
Post by: pellius on October 19, 2011, 08:25:19 PM
np. Make sure you pot back with some updates and which products yu went with.

I'm still have some Nizoral 2% from way back and I'm just going to use that and the emu oil. There won't be much to report because I have bushy type almost kneegrow hair that I keep short and it's still pretty much all there. I just got paranoid when I saw how much and how fast my older brother started losing his hair. And I am 51. I wouldn't mind be bald at all but I have big Obama ears and I just can't pull off the look. In fact, if I could pull it off I would much rather be bald.

Here's a pic taken a few weeks ago.



Title: Re: Hair Loss
Post by: deadz on October 19, 2011, 08:44:51 PM
I'm still have some Nizoral 2% from way back and I'm just going to use that and the emu oil. There won't be much to report because I have bushy type almost kneegrow hair that I keep short and it's still pretty much all there. I just got paranoid when I saw how much and how fast my older brother started losing his hair. And I am 51. I wouldn't mind be bald at all but I have big Obama ears and I just can't pull off the look. In fact, if I could pull it off I would much rather be bald.

Here's a pic taken a few weeks ago.


Nothing wrong with using propecia, it works and the sides are overstated imo.


Title: Re: Hair Loss
Post by: Omega on October 22, 2011, 07:28:25 AM
Some great info here


Title: Re: Hair Loss
Post by: lyquid on October 22, 2011, 11:48:29 AM
Nothing wrong with using propecia, it works and the sides are overstated imo.

mind giving me some personal experience with it and how good it worked. Not only did the reviews online scare me out of using it. But even on test saw palmetto alone will give me really wimpy soft boners and hard to cum. But soon as I stop I'm super hard all the time beat off 10 times a day. I add saw palmetto next thing you know sex drive is I can go days without it.


Title: Re: Hair Loss
Post by: deadz on October 22, 2011, 12:39:23 PM
mind giving me some personal experience with it and how good it worked. Not only did the reviews online scare me out of using it. But even on test saw palmetto alone will give me really wimpy soft boners and hard to cum. But soon as I stop I'm super hard all the time beat off 10 times a day. I add saw palmetto next thing you know sex drive is I can go days without it.
Decided to start taking it just for maintenance. I have pretty good hair. No problem with my sex drive and my dick gets hard when I want it to get hard. Not all will experience sides and I can say that I haven't noticed anything while taking it for the past year that would cause me to stop.


Title: Re: Hair Loss
Post by: Borracho on October 22, 2011, 12:57:18 PM
Lyquid,

I saw on another thread that you did infact start shedding on your 400 mg a day of test. Just wondering if you stuck with the npp or if you just went back on the test.


Title: Re: Hair Loss
Post by: lyquid on October 22, 2011, 06:25:37 PM
Lyquid,

I saw on another thread that you did infact start shedding on your 400 mg a day of test. Just wondering if you stuck with the npp or if you just went back on the test.

heres the catch after I regrew my hair of months of my hairlos products I stopped for months got super lazy. No niz maybe once a week during shower. No nothing I start cycle of 400 test and I start the products but they obv didn't have time to work.

I am not gonna be lazy with it anymore I am using them to regrow right now with little test still in me. Than once I'm on em steady I will try again in 6 weeks or so time.

all about experimenting with this stuff. So right now no test and just npp with the products. So far hair is regrowing in hairline ill let you know how it goes and what's safe. 500 test 400 npp is safe on products. Well see what else since I'm back on. I regrow my hair fully on test n npp but lower doses right


Title: Re: Hair Loss
Post by: lyquid on October 22, 2011, 06:27:15 PM
Decided to start taking it just for maintenance. I have pretty good hair. No problem with my sex drive and my dick gets hard when I want it to get hard. Not all will experience sides and I can say that I haven't noticed anything while taking it for the past year that would cause me to stop.

are you on gear and finasteride year round?


Title: Re: Hair Loss
Post by: deadz on October 23, 2011, 08:50:52 AM
are you on gear and finasteride year round?
Yes. I will have to leave it at that.


Title: Re: Hair Loss
Post by: jdooly on October 23, 2011, 07:44:42 PM
how do you sleep on your pillow with a head of shampoo though?  Doesn't that make a wet mess? What am I missing here?


Title: Re: Hair Loss
Post by: lyquid on October 23, 2011, 08:08:55 PM
how do you sleep on your pillow with a head of shampoo though?  Doesn't that make a wet mess? What am I missing here?

lol. Well if you plan ofgetting ur hair soaking wet than putting shampoo in it. Sure. But nizoral is very thin and dry shampoo. You put a nickl size amount on for your whole head it drys in instantly your skin absorbs it. Not slightest bit wet nor irritated. Ur head feels really fresh and clean actually.

unless ur a first time user of nizoral its itchy even just showering. After few wks ur fine.


Title: Re: Hair Loss
Post by: jdooly on October 23, 2011, 08:49:41 PM
 :)


Title: Re: Hair Loss
Post by: Borracho on November 07, 2011, 05:04:52 PM
Just wanna thank Lyquid for all the help. I've only been using the Nizoral for a couple of weeks but I'm seeing growth where my hair was starting to disappear. Btw, I find it better to put on the stuff right after a shower. If not what I do is wet my hair and then towel dry it real quick cause it is way easier to apply on a damp scalp/hair. I've also seen online somewhere that some have used Miconazole which is similar to Ketoconazole. The thing is in some vaginal creams ...lol. So if you can't get a hold of Nizoral perhaps that may be an alternative.  Just make sure it doesn't contain other crap that may make your hair fall out and that its 2% at least. A plus is that you can find that just about at any pharmacy and that its a lot cheaper than nizoral.


Title: Re: Hair Loss
Post by: njflex on November 07, 2011, 05:29:37 PM
lol. Well if you plan ofgetting ur hair soaking wet than putting shampoo in it. Sure. But nizoral is very thin and dry shampoo. You put a nickl size amount on for your whole head it drys in instantly your skin absorbs it. Not slightest bit wet nor irritated. Ur head feels really fresh and clean actually.

unless ur a first time user of nizoral its itchy even just showering. After few wks ur fine.
interesting....i find nioxin products,shampoos pretty good at least slowing shedding and keeping scalp/hair clean.always considered nizoral i hooked a guy up with it yrs ago he was cycling and shedding hard he loved it and bought 5 bottles online cause he was frightened of hairloss he was big time clubber at the time lol...i never used it tho at least i helped someone.


Title: Re: Hair Loss
Post by: Max B on November 07, 2011, 05:57:02 PM
I've wondered this myself also.. I've ran Masteron at 100mgs ED to EOD and had no hair shedding, maybe slight thinning but not even noticable. would it be safe to assume that I can run almost any AAS and not worry about going bald?  main example being anadrol


Title: Re: Hair Loss
Post by: g101 on November 07, 2011, 06:13:31 PM
Get blood tests guys..... you will find it much easier and find the problem at the source and reverse it

The reason I say this is for example (and i am using my friends as reference)

1. EC stack works fine, once he added the aspirin boom, hair loss eyebrow loss eyelash loss , removed the aspirin and he had NONE of those effects

2. A girl I know was losing her hair , went to the doc for blood tests found out she was iron deficient and then after therapy hair loss stopped

3. My friend had all the symptoms of hypothyroidsm which made his hair fall off along the other symptoms, got on the thyroid meds and boom hair loss stopped

4. A cycle of test e + dbol with no ai made my friend retain ridiculous amounts of water and made his hair fall off and was developing gyno rapidly... got on some AI and then zero hair loss ...


4 true stories that have to do with hormone imbalances/other issues ... not saying your hair loss stacks aren't effective but you should get blood tests first and then proceed with this


Title: Re: Hair Loss
Post by: lyquid on November 07, 2011, 07:08:29 PM
I know what you mean. But if we don't get hairloss normally off cycle or so than we are fine with our thyroids and iron intake etc. Most guys here get it from touching steroids. And a blood test will generally only help with testosterone users and dht levels.

wheres guys running tren. Dbol. Anadrol winny. Masteron it won't effect dht lvls but instead increase over all androgens in the scalp. Such as nandrolone is bad on the hair but converted to dhn makes it weak so you don't block its conversion. But other things like tren that doesn't convert to dht aslong as its in ur blood the high androgen lvls of tren it will still effext alot of peoples hair. And as far as I know you can't get a blood test  well not easily probably to tell you if its from high androgen lvls of dbol or tren etc. So all you can do is assume since ur on these compounds is to use the over all androgen blockers not just dht blockers. Like spirolactone and zinc block total androgens in the scalp.

but if ur naturally losing ur hair def could be thyroid problems. But generally like me if ur experiancing widows peak etc normal mpb not thinning all over and eye brows etc than its not a vitamin or thyroid issue is high andeogens or speficily dht androgen. Either way nothing wrong with blockinf them in the scalp.

also if I hadn't mention coconut oil helps alot to with blocking dht levels. Many won't like it cause of greasy ness but I found it was one of my favs and very cheap and easy to find. Extra virgin coconut oil. Do some searchs on that interesting studies to guys. Apparently foe years as well used as a hair supplement to bring back pigment colour in hair even

Get blood tests guys..... you will find it much easier and find the problem at the source and reverse it

The reason I say this is for example (and i am using my friends as reference)

1. EC stack works fine, once he added the aspirin boom, hair loss eyebrow loss eyelash loss , removed the aspirin and he had NONE of those effects

2. A girl I know was losing her hair , went to the doc for blood tests found out she was iron deficient and then after therapy hair loss stopped

3. My friend had all the symptoms of hypothyroidsm which made his hair fall off along the other symptoms, got on the thyroid meds and boom hair loss stopped

4. A cycle of test e + dbol with no ai made my friend retain ridiculous amounts of water and made his hair fall off and was developing gyno rapidly... got on some AI and then zero hair loss ...


4 true stories that have to do with hormone imbalances/other issues ... not saying your hair loss stacks aren't effective but you should get blood tests first and then proceed with this


Title: Re: Hair Loss
Post by: njflex on November 07, 2011, 07:13:39 PM
I know what you mean. But if we don't get hairloss normally off cycle or so than we are fine with our thyroids and iron intake etc. Most guys here get it from touching steroids. And a blood test will generally only help with testosterone users and dht levels.

wheres guys running tren. Dbol. Anadrol winny. Masteron it won't effect dht lvls but instead increase over all androgens in the scalp. Such as nandrolone is bad on the hair but converted to dhn makes it weak so you don't block its conversion. But other things like tren that doesn't convert to dht aslong as its in ur blood the high androgen lvls of tren it will still effext alot of peoples hair. And as far as I know you can't get a blood test  well not easily probably to tell you if its from high androgen lvls of dbol or tren etc. So all you can do is assume since ur on these compounds is to use the over all androgen blockers not just dht blockers. Like spirolactone and zinc block total androgens in the scalp.

but if ur naturally losing ur hair def could be thyroid problems. But generally like me if ur experiancing widows peak etc normal mpb not thinning all over and eye brows etc than its not a vitamin or thyroid issue is high andeogens or speficily dht androgen. Either way nothing wrong with blockinf them in the scalp.

also if I hadn't mention coconut oil helps alot to with blocking dht levels. Many won't like it cause of greasy ness but I found it was one of my favs and very cheap and easy to find. Extra virgin coconut oil. Do some searchs on that interesting studies to guys. Apparently foe years as well used as a hair supplement to bring back pigment colour in hair even

dude you should have been a dermotologist lol,,,at least a hair consultant cool shiiittt,,,


Title: Re: Hair Loss
Post by: Borracho on November 07, 2011, 08:12:04 PM
dude you should have been a dermotologist lol,,,at least a hair consultant cool shiiittt,,,

haha yeah no shit.


Title: Re: Hair Loss
Post by: Stavios on November 07, 2011, 09:07:42 PM
can't wait to start losing my hair it will be way quicker in the morning if I don't have to shave my head


Title: Re: Hair Loss
Post by: lyquid on November 08, 2011, 04:56:16 AM
can't wait to start losing my hair it will be way quicker in the morning if I don't have to shave my head

I am definitely not looking forward to having t razor it every other day. I did it once when I was a teen. Horrible. So delicate the scalp skin very irritating and feels so uncomfortable touching your thin scalp skin. Over all horrible experience for me. And just another time task in the morning along with shaving ur face if you work some where were you need to look decent.

I wonder if the guys who do razor it get use to it lol.


Title: Re: Hair Loss
Post by: Stavios on November 09, 2011, 08:33:31 PM
I am definitely not looking forward to having t razor it every other day. I did it once when I was a teen. Horrible. So delicate the scalp skin very irritating and feels so uncomfortable touching your thin scalp skin. Over all horrible experience for me. And just another time task in the morning along with shaving ur face if you work some where were you need to look decent.

I wonder if the guys who do razor it get use to it lol.

That's the problem you only did it once, it always feels and look weird.

I shave it ED or EOD and it does get irritating at time if the razor is too old.

I can only shave my head 2-3 time with the same razor


Title: Re: Hair Loss
Post by: lyquid on November 10, 2011, 11:55:40 AM
That's the problem you only did it once, it always feels and look weird.

I shave it ED or EOD and it does get irritating at time if the razor is too old.

I can only shave my head 2-3 time with the same razor

I'm praying it gets easier lol. Cause I'm sure a day will come maybe 5 maybe 20 yrs were I will have to. I refuse to look like larry david.

I don't have the masucline head. Or the suited heads for it like jason statham and the other blokes. I have a decent jaw but bad chin small. And pointy nose. So I'd look like a hairless rat. No chin witch nose rdy to feast on ur garbage and live in the sewers look. So I need to keep my golden locks.


Title: Re: Hair Loss
Post by: pellius on November 12, 2011, 01:54:06 AM
What's better? Coconut or Emu oil? Can't use both or can you mix them?


Title: Re: Hair Loss
Post by: lyquid on November 12, 2011, 07:24:47 AM
What's better? Coconut or Emu oil? Can't use both or can you mix them?

both very good. Coconut has been used for thousands of years by many dif cultures as a hair treatment to bring back colour and help with balding. And studies now on it to. It also blocks dht.

I been using both. I got a bunch of new hairs 1/4 the length in the front as the rest of my hair since adding coconut oil into the mix.

I sometimes put on coconut oil first than few mins later some emu and leave it on for a few hrs or go to sleep. Depends on my shcudle for the day. Not everyday but try to every other day.

really good study on coconut oil 20 mins before a shower. Prevents the loss of a certain important protien in the hair foccile for growth . Shampooing gets rid of it while coco prevents that feom happening. Also gives ur hair a nice shine and healthy look . The emu makes it look greasy coco makes it look good even after the wash. Try both if you can both have diferarnt positive effects. I almost feel the coconut oil is stronger. I used em both before at same time.now I added it back in and it seems to have helped slow down shedding to a normal rate again.

still recvering my temples again from the test. I really think test is to blame. On deca dbol now. And shedding is maybe 20 hairs a day less than normal. That's what these prodicts did before for me to. It lengthens the anagen phase less hairs in telogen so ur hair will be kept on ur head forever it if continues to work forever lol.


Title: Re: Hair Loss
Post by: g101 on November 12, 2011, 10:30:11 AM
so what's the official stack here  ;D


Title: Re: Hair Loss
Post by: nosleep on November 12, 2011, 11:22:24 AM
COCONUT OIL AT NIGHT THEN THAT MINOXIL SHAMPOO IN MORNING THEN TOCO 8 SERVING


Title: Re: Hair Loss
Post by: Omega on November 12, 2011, 12:02:25 PM
Would wearing a shower cap at night be detrimental to hair growth whilst the nizoral is on the scalp?
Obviously to stop the shit getting onto pillows etc.


Title: Re: Hair Loss
Post by: Borracho on November 12, 2011, 12:15:16 PM
Would wearing a shower cap at night be detrimental to hair growth whilst the nizoral is on the scalp?
Obviously to stop the shit getting onto pillows etc.

Dries pretty quick bro. Oil on the other hand will make a mess, so if you decide to use any I would use a shower cap or even a simple plastic bag should work.


Title: Re: Hair Loss
Post by: lyquid on November 12, 2011, 01:38:53 PM
Dries pretty quick bro. Oil on the other hand will make a mess, so if you decide to use any I would use a shower cap or even a simple plastic bag should work.

ya dries very quick.

other than that sleep on a towel works or go buy a cheap pillow at wal mart 3 bucks n don't put ur pillow case on it so you don't ruin it. Just make it ur new dirty pillow lol


Title: Re: Hair Loss
Post by: njflex on November 12, 2011, 04:49:26 PM
COCONUT OIL AT NIGHT THEN THAT MINOXIL SHAMPOO IN MORNING THEN TOCO 8 SERVING
or nioxin shampoo...that what u meant,,,good shampoo good cleansing..


Title: Re: Hair Loss
Post by: Omega on November 13, 2011, 03:36:15 AM
Can you combine the nizoral and emu oil together leaving the nizoral on for a few hours?
Or is it best to give them seperate days?


Title: Re: Hair Loss
Post by: Borracho on November 13, 2011, 12:47:24 PM
Can you combine the nizoral and emu oil together leaving the nizoral on for a few hours?
Or is it best to give them seperate days?

I don't use emu oil so I don't know what he texture is like. Personally, I would probably give them both separate days just to make sure they each are getting a chance to be absorbed properly by the scalp. But than again, combined they may prove to be more effective so at this point I guess there's only one way to find out.


Title: Re: Hair Loss
Post by: lyquid on November 13, 2011, 02:30:02 PM
I don't use emu oil so I don't know what he texture is like. Personally, I would probably give them both separate days just to make sure they each are getting a chance to be absorbed properly by the scalp. But than again, combined they may prove to be more effective so at this point I guess there's only one way to find out.

the interesting thing with emu oil is it naturally can penetrate all 7 layers of the skin. Also bringing other products like coconut oil down with it. Its a carrier. I also rub the emu oil with armidex or letro or nolva testing them all out on my nipples. To absorb. Through the skin.

mostly I been using them together with randomy days of coconut only. Emu only. Nizoral only. Coco n emu. Nizoral n coco etc.

my best results were emu and coco together. When I regrew alot of my hair.

interesting tho here. I stopped using coconut and for abit only niz n emu. Now I lost alot of hair on my high test cycle and wasn't using these products. So I started niz. Emu. And was meh.

since I've added coconut oil I've experienced a great amount of new hairs all over my hairline. Rest of my hair is a good inch and a half and I have all these very dark few 1cm to 2cm hairs all over my hairline  n temples. So they all def help and leaning towards coconut is a big help. On its own? Duno with the others defintly. Again I do it randomly right now.

emu oil stinks n greasy so ill use it random days. Coconut random das same with nixoral. Some nights I don't use anything. All random right now. Test em out urself what you guys find. They all have good propertys some good together for sure no doubt. I'm constantly thinking still reading studies still on what's best protocol.

as stuff like coconut oil will clog ur pore foicles stoping new growth I've read. But I've had great results with it everynight before. But makes me wonder maybe only a few hrs at a time than wash out? So many things to consider. That's why I'm doing it very random right now. Sometimes I put it on on day time n wash it out a few hrs later like I stated.


Title: Re: Hair Loss
Post by: Borracho on November 14, 2011, 12:36:59 PM
Maybe its good to "cycle" all these products.


Title: Re: Hair Loss
Post by: g101 on November 14, 2011, 04:40:00 PM
lyquid should make a hair loss guide  ;D


Title: Re: Hair Loss
Post by: lyquid on November 14, 2011, 07:48:03 PM
ok today I am supper happy. I was unsure for awhile if my hair was in a thinned state or growing more hairs. Cause it'll always start off looking worse since newer thinner hairs are growing in confusing making it lok like ur thinning even worse. But today my hairline is really looking amazing. Absolutely amazing lol. Looking like a very minimal widows peak again and the thinning on my top that was getting pretty bad a few weeks ago is super thick now looks really great.

so to re cap exactly what I was using since I've had this happen a few times where I've stpped my protocol did jucie etc shit like that n re lost my hair on all over my top n extra badwidows peak and crown area.

coconut and emu oil randomly. Sometimes on for a few hours mid day before a shower both of em. Somedays nothing. Somedays coconut all night over nite. Some nites emu oil n coco all night.

some nights nizoral alone all night. Sometimes nizoral n coconut oil over night. Pretty much I just mixed it up.

now during showering. I first wash with nizoral makes a thick lather. Smal amount. I only ever use smal amount the bottle still last months don't over do it. Than leave on for 5 to 10 mins. And wash out with zinc pyro conditioner!!! Very importarnt zinc head n shoulders. Proven to increase the diamater of hair shaft. Remember dht shrinks ur diamater and you eventually get such small hairs that the folicle shuts off. (science suggest this can be turned back on again tho and regrow).

so that's it. No systematic drugs this time. Last time I used saw palmetto but it effected my libido for sure. Alot. If ur on test I'd def use saw palmeto.

only other products for helping hair growth a b vitamin complex 25 to 50mg a day of each b vitamin. And some days a multi vitamin. Extra zinc would help to but I ran out months ago.

I can name other things but this is what's worked good. Seems like alot now that I'm typing it. Ill get some pics. When you see the hairline ull see just how much its progressed. And overall thickness.



Title: Re: Hair Loss
Post by: g101 on November 14, 2011, 08:18:40 PM
ya you should take before and after pics of your hair for everyone to see that you're not bs'ing

and outline the hair routine during this period


Title: Re: Hair Loss
Post by: Borracho on November 14, 2011, 08:30:20 PM
What do you think about castor oil Lyquid?



Title: Re: Hair Loss
Post by: lyquid on November 14, 2011, 08:32:12 PM
ya you should take before and after pics of your hair for everyone to see that you're not bs'ing

and outline the hair routine during this period

I have pics of my first loss of hair n it regrowing on another forum. Ill get that n my recent loss n some update ones.


Title: Re: Hair Loss
Post by: lyquid on November 14, 2011, 08:36:06 PM
What do you think about castor oil Lyquid?



I don't think I've come across anything on that. I've seen alot not that yet. I spend hours n hours a day before for so long even still now I look for stuff once n awhile any studies n shit on dif herbs etc for hairloss.

olive oil did kinda spark my interest apparently it can also inhibit dht on the scalp. But I didn't want to use a million products so picked the ones with most relaible studies and what not.

apparently if you do want a good systematic dht blocker aswel the virgin coconut oil you use on the scalp same kind is very poten dht inhibitor. Not only block both enzymes of 5ar type 1 and 2. But also blocks the androgen receptor apparently somewhat to. Again were looking at bad effexts. Sexual n possible muscle growth wise.


Title: Re: Hair Loss
Post by: reppingfor20 on November 16, 2011, 05:05:08 PM
i highly doubt your routine had much to do with your hair growing back, more like your body getting back to it's normal hormonal state and all the other things balancing out and your hair came back to normal as well.



Title: Re: Hair Loss
Post by: lyquid on November 16, 2011, 06:58:11 PM
i highly doubt your routine had much to do with your hair growing back, more like your body getting back to it's normal hormonal state and all the other things balancing out and your hair came back to normal as well.



to normal state? I guess if 100mg dbol a day is a normal hormal state than sure lol. But no havnt had normal hormones for awhile now. And mosr of these items are not only proven dht blockers or sebum clearing items but also used all around the steroid community for a long time. Ie nizoral very famous amongst us all is it not. Blocking dht and androgens do help. That's why half the guys are on proscar to. So blocking it topically works to.


Title: Re: Hair Loss
Post by: Borracho on November 16, 2011, 07:06:42 PM
i highly doubt your routine had much to do with your hair growing back, more like your body getting back to it's normal hormonal state and all the other things balancing out and your hair came back to normal as well.



Its helped me and I haven't touched any hormones yet.


Title: Re: Hair Loss
Post by: FightOnSC on November 23, 2011, 11:19:26 AM
Get blood tests guys..... you will find it much easier and find the problem at the source and reverse it

The reason I say this is for example (and i am using my friends as reference)

1. EC stack works fine, once he added the aspirin boom, hair loss eyebrow loss eyelash loss , removed the aspirin and he had NONE of those effects

2. A girl I know was losing her hair , went to the doc for blood tests found out she was iron deficient and then after therapy hair loss stopped

3. My friend had all the symptoms of hypothyroidsm which made his hair fall off along the other symptoms, got on the thyroid meds and boom hair loss stopped

4. A cycle of test e + dbol with no ai made my friend retain ridiculous amounts of water and made his hair fall off and was developing gyno rapidly... got on some AI and then zero hair loss ...


4 true stories that have to do with hormone imbalances/other issues ... not saying your hair loss stacks aren't effective but you should get blood tests first and then proceed with this

this is all legit, but just remember male pattern baldness (androgenic alopecia from DHT) is the cause of men's hair loss 99% of the time.
female pattern/non-pattern hair loss is less well understood and tends to have hormonal factors as you said
Hair loss FAQ - http://www.hassonandwong.com/hair-loss/faq/index.php

a specific site about androgens and hair loss: www.hairlossfromsteroids .com


Title: Re: Hair Loss
Post by: Omega on November 26, 2011, 08:55:54 AM
How long are you guys leaving the emu oil on for?


Title: Re: Hair Loss
Post by: g101 on November 27, 2011, 04:42:22 PM
this is all legit, but just remember male pattern baldness (androgenic alopecia from DHT) is the cause of men's hair loss 99% of the time.
female pattern/non-pattern hair loss is less well understood and tends to have hormonal factors as you said
Hair loss FAQ - http://www.hassonandwong.com/hair-loss/faq/index.php

a specific site about androgens and hair loss: www.hairlossfromsteroids .com


is that your website ?


Title: Re: Hair Loss
Post by: halegria4 on December 09, 2011, 03:56:59 PM
Start saving for a hair transplant. On my third -worth every penny.


Title: Re: Hair Loss
Post by: Borracho on December 09, 2011, 07:37:53 PM
Start saving for a hair transplant. On my third -worth every penny.

How come 3 of them??

how much per transplant?

whats a hair transplant look like?


Title: Re: Hair Loss
Post by: TheOne on December 12, 2011, 07:11:40 AM
I have been using Finasteride for close to 9 years now.  No side effects so far, thankfully.  I will be trying Tren A soon at a low dose (60mg EOD) to assess my tolerance to it first before I bump it up to 100mg EOD.  This is my protocol for my hair as I have read that Finasteride will not help with Tren:

Nizoral 2% Shampoo daily in the morning followed by zinc piro conditioner
On damp hair 5% topical Sprinolactone cream massaged into the entire head
In the evening 1 hour before shower coconut oil massaged onto scalp
Wash with Nizoral 2% shampoo and then re-apply and leave on head all night
Before bed 5% Spironolactone cream massaged onto scalp and after half an hour pure coconut oil
Biotin and zinc as well my regular multi that I take now
Finasteride will continue at 1.25mg per day throughout

I have a complete full head of hair and want to retain all of it.  Am I missing anything from my proposed regimen?


Title: Re: Hair Loss
Post by: lyquid on December 12, 2011, 10:33:35 AM
um ur goa keep ur hair foreer with that lol. Cam promise you that.
with those you will hae complete blockage of adrogems om the scalp.

omly thimg I suggest is domt use test or trem. Ur worst choices for me persomally. But if amythimg use tre with little to mo test. Test seems to be horible. Mot with fimasteride tho soo you maybe ok as well so . You should do trem amd amother ome maybe eq.


I have been using Finasteride for close to 9 years now.  No side effects so far, thankfully.  I will be trying Tren A soon at a low dose (60mg EOD) to assess my tolerance to it first before I bump it up to 100mg EOD.  This is my protocol for my hair as I have read that Finasteride will not help with Tren:

Nizoral 2% Shampoo daily in the morning followed by zinc piro conditioner
On damp hair 5% topical Sprinolactone cream massaged into the entire head
In the evening 1 hour before shower coconut oil massaged onto scalp
Wash with Nizoral 2% shampoo and then re-apply and leave on head all night
Before bed 5% Spironolactone cream massaged onto scalp and after half an hour pure coconut oil
Biotin and zinc as well my regular multi that I take now
Finasteride will continue at 1.25mg per day throughout

I have a complete full head of hair and want to retain all of it.  Am I missing anything from my proposed regimen?


Title: Re: Hair Loss
Post by: TheOne on December 12, 2011, 12:00:37 PM
Hey bud, thanks for the vote of confidence. Got my doc (who prescribes me the Finasteride) to call in Nizoral 2% as well as the 5% Sprironolactone cream.  I already have the pure coconut oil at home so when I pick up the other stuff from the pharmacy today I should be good to go. 

On Test I don't lose any hair on just Finasteride alone so with the above added I hope I get to do Tren without any loss.  We will see.  I am planning on doing Test Prop at 100mg EOD and the same for Tren.


Title: Re: Hair Loss
Post by: ChevChelios on December 12, 2011, 12:11:28 PM
Finasteride will do shit for trennbologna.Trenbologna does not convert to dht,it's just so fucking androgenic that your hair will fall anyways.Good thing is that it comes back most of it afterwards :)


Title: Re: Hair Loss
Post by: TheOne on December 12, 2011, 01:05:06 PM
Well then it makes sense that I'm doing all the other shit I'm doing hopefully to prevent it.  If it still doesn't work I can always stop the tren  :'(


Title: Re: Hair Loss
Post by: g101 on December 12, 2011, 02:03:59 PM
with the above stack

Should we even bother with emu oil, what I mean by that is should we bother using it in a mix with the coconut oil ?

That's a very good stack btw.

and in reality, the highest androgenic activity = testosterone.



Title: Re: Hair Loss
Post by: aesthetics on December 12, 2011, 03:14:32 PM
um ur goa keep ur hair foreer with that lol. Cam promise you that.
with those you will hae complete blockage of adrogems om the scalp.

omly thimg I suggest is domt use test or trem. Ur worst choices for me persomally. But if amythimg use tre with little to mo test. Test seems to be horible. Mot with fimasteride tho soo you maybe ok as well so . You should do trem amd amother ome maybe eq.



i can use 700 tren a week, and i'll get some decent hairloss but 600 test a week with finasteride will make my hair fall out like crazy. fucking test is such shit, i get 1/2 the results but twice the sides.


Title: Re: Hair Loss
Post by: TheOne on December 12, 2011, 05:57:01 PM
Damn bro, I get no hair loss at all with test and finasteride.  Hope it continues with tren.


Title: Re: Hair Loss
Post by: Borracho on December 12, 2011, 07:16:29 PM
with the above stack

Should we even bother with emu oil, what I mean by that is should we bother using it in a mix with the coconut oil ?

That's a very good stack btw.

and in reality, the highest androgenic activity = testosterone.



imo if theone's stack doesn't save if not regrow hair than nothing will.


Title: Re: Hair Loss
Post by: TheOne on December 12, 2011, 07:24:36 PM
Haha, I'm running this as laid out to the letter for the next 3-4 months while I am 'trenning' I plan on keeping you guys updated throughout.  I started this evening already so my first full day or Day 1 begins tomorrow.  Fingers crossed as this is my first run on tren!


Title: Re: Hair Loss
Post by: TheOne on December 13, 2011, 09:20:47 AM
2 points to note on my protocol. First, I am not going to use minoxidil as it causes premature aging in a lot of people and leaves your skin looking like shit, I have a friend who looks 40 and is 31 and been using rogaine since 25.

Second, I had my compounding pharmacy make my 5% Spironolactone cream a little thicker.  The reason for this is after it has been thoroughly applied and massaged into to my scalp when I comb my hair it acts as a styling tool and I no longer need any pomade or gel etc.



Title: Re: Hair Loss
Post by: g101 on December 13, 2011, 10:07:44 AM
I heard Rogaine (which is Minoxidil) causes premature aging and you look 10 yrs older than what you are  :-\


Title: Re: Hair Loss
Post by: TheOne on December 13, 2011, 10:59:30 AM
Yeah, that's what my buddy uses and it has aged him a lot.  He is 31 and I am 34 and I look 26-28 and he looks 40+.  Everyone has their own experiences but I would stay away from Rogaine/Minoxidil.  Another side effect of rogaine can be a bloated face/moon face in a lot of users.  Fuck that shit, whats the point of having a full head of hair and fat pie for a face.  I have explored this subject in detail and I think the protocol I outlined above should preserve all the hair you currently have without Minoxidil.  I still am going to take my Finasteride as i always have as i get no sides from that.  As far as regrowth is concerned, not sure on that but only time will tell.


Title: Re: Hair Loss
Post by: g101 on December 13, 2011, 02:45:24 PM
The thing with Rogaine/Minoxidil is once you stop, you lose the growth that you got from it, in other words you would have to stay on forever to keep your hair.

Is this the same with your stack depending if you use AAS or not ?

Mods should sticky this  ;D


Title: Re: Hair Loss
Post by: Borracho on December 13, 2011, 03:14:59 PM
I used minoxidil for a couple years and didn't notice any negative sides like aging or any for that matter. Everyone in my family looks younger than their age so genetics may have something to do with that. Everyone reacts different to everything, like with finasteride for instance some people just don't tolerate it well at all.

And g101, all these products do is aid in preventing hair loss so you would have to use them continuously to reap any benefits. Once you stop taking them nature will take its course juicing or not. It is a pain in the ass to keep up with this stuff but if it means delaying baldness than its well worth it.



Title: Re: Hair Loss
Post by: g101 on December 13, 2011, 07:15:05 PM
What i've noticed in the past and present

If you wash your hair everyday you will be fine since you will get rid of sebum
If you wash every couple days you will get hairloss from oily scalp and sebum build-up

This is the "big" picture which lyquid has discussed in one of the first few postings into this thread


Keeping your scalp sebum free imo is key for hair growth / hair loss prevention .. which is where Nizoral and all the other products come into place



Title: Re: Hair Loss
Post by: lyquid on December 13, 2011, 07:32:25 PM
yup mot omly dht is where the dht lays. Amd also produced some om its owm Im the seb glamd where sebum is made.

keys brokem if you guys umderstood.


What i've noticed in the past and present

If you wash your hair everyday you will be fine since you will get rid of sebum
If you wash every couple days you will get hairloss from oily scalp and sebum build-up

This is the "big" picture which lyquid has discussed in one of the first few postings into this thread


Keeping your scalp sebum free imo is key for hair growth / hair loss prevention .. which is where Nizoral and all the other products come into place




Title: Re: Hair Loss
Post by: TheOne on December 13, 2011, 07:35:54 PM
No, the stack I am using is a little aggressive due to the tren I will be running.  I'm starting at 250mg a week and will be at 500-600mg per week after the first couple of weeks.  When not on tren, and let's say test only with anavar at 60mg a day all I need is 1.25mg Finasteride and it does the trick.  I like having hair too much that's why my stack right now is a little crazy looking due to the androgenic qualities of the trenbolone acetate I plan on devouring  ;)


Title: Re: Hair Loss
Post by: TheOne on December 14, 2011, 07:32:50 PM
2 points to note:

When you buy the pyro zinc head and shoulders conditioner make sure it's conditioner only and also make sure you get the one that says 'with almond oil' available at cvs/ walgreens.  You will condition with this after you wash with Nizoral 2% shampoo.

Also at cvs/ walgreens get something called Hibiclens.  This is something hair transplant surgeons recommend you use the night before you go in for surgery.  You will add a nickel size into the palm of your hand and mix with the Nizoral.  This is only to be done ONCE A WEEK. No more because it is a disinfectant for the scalp and a healer so only do this once a week.  Any more will result in excessive dryness.  This will prep your scalp for better penetration and absorption of the topicals like spironolactone etc.



Title: Re: Hair Loss
Post by: Borracho on December 14, 2011, 09:40:46 PM
2 points to note:

When you buy the pyro zinc head and shoulders conditioner make sure it's conditioner only and also make sure you get the one that says 'with almond oil' available at cvs/ walgreens.  You will condition with this after you wash with Nizoral 2% shampoo.

Also at cvs/ walgreens get something called Hibiclens.  This is something hair transplant surgeons recommend you use the night before you go in for surgery.  You will add a nickel size into the palm of your hand and mix with the Nizoral.  This is only to be done ONCE A WEEK. No more because it is a disinfectant for the scalp and a healer so only do this once a week.  Any more will result in excessive dryness.  This will prep your scalp for better penetration and absorption of the topicals like spironolactone etc.



Have to admit I haven't been doing this. It opens up the follicles or something along those lines right?


Title: Re: Hair Loss
Post by: TheOne on December 14, 2011, 10:33:48 PM
Conditioning with the head and shoulders will help sooth the scalp as Nizoral is pretty drying.  That's why I recommend the one that has the added almond oil in it.

As for the Hibiclens, it creates a better environment on your scalp for all the stuff you put on it to work.  The Hibiclens is cheap and will last you several months cuz you only need it once a week.  Also, after a while of all these products your scalp will get some build up on it, this will take care of that.


Title: Re: Hair Loss
Post by: Borracho on December 15, 2011, 04:00:35 PM
Conditioning with the head and shoulders will help sooth the scalp as Nizoral is pretty drying.  That's why I recommend the one that has the added almond oil in it.

As for the Hibiclens, it creates a better environment on your scalp for all the stuff you put on it to work.  The Hibiclens is cheap and will last you several months cuz you only need it once a week.  Also, after a while of all these products your scalp will get some build up on it, this will take care of that.

I think Lyquid also mentioned that shampoo having some sort of effect on increasing or opening follicles up as well. Gonna have to get me some of that.


Title: Re: Hair Loss
Post by: aesthetics on December 15, 2011, 06:52:41 PM
Have to admit I haven't been doing this. It opens up the follicles or something along those lines right?

well, ketoconazole, the active ingredient in nizoral, is an anti-androgen and the shampoo itself is also an anti-fungal so you wash with that with the theoretical purpose of blocking androgen receptors in your hair follicles and also clearing away sebum that bacteria live off of, the bacteria growing in your sebum and your body having an immunal reaction to them is apparently one of the theories behind hairloss. so it's two-fold for why people use nizoral.

it leaves your hair dry and brittle afterwards so you use a conditioner to give the hair some volume, and since the nizoral itself is pretty harsh on your scalp you don't want another shampoo with SLS/SLES in it further drying out your scalp as that may make your hairloss worse if it's sebaceous dermatitis orientated.

i never had any benefit from using nizoral but if it works for some people then it works for some people.


Title: Re: Hair Loss
Post by: TheOne on December 15, 2011, 07:56:37 PM
Were you using regular Nizoral or prescription 2%?


Title: Re: Hair Loss
Post by: Borracho on December 15, 2011, 08:18:47 PM
Sorry guys I was referring to the head and shoulders shampoo.

ok today I am supper happy. I was unsure for awhile if my hair was in a thinned state or growing more hairs. Cause it'll always start off looking worse since newer thinner hairs are growing in confusing making it lok like ur thinning even worse. But today my hairline is really looking amazing. Absolutely amazing lol. Looking like a very minimal widows peak again and the thinning on my top that was getting pretty bad a few weeks ago is super thick now looks really great.

so to re cap exactly what I was using since I've had this happen a few times where I've stpped my protocol did jucie etc shit like that n re lost my hair on all over my top n extra badwidows peak and crown area.

coconut and emu oil randomly. Sometimes on for a few hours mid day before a shower both of em. Somedays nothing. Somedays coconut all night over nite. Some nites emu oil n coco all night.

some nights nizoral alone all night. Sometimes nizoral n coconut oil over night. Pretty much I just mixed it up.

now during showering. I first wash with nizoral makes a thick lather. Smal amount. I only ever use smal amount the bottle still last months don't over do it. Than leave on for 5 to 10 mins. And wash out with zinc pyro conditioner!!! Very importarnt zinc head n shoulders. Proven to increase the diamater of hair shaft. Remember dht shrinks ur diamater and you eventually get such small hairs that the folicle shuts off. (science suggest this can be turned back on again tho and regrow).

so that's it. No systematic drugs this time. Last time I used saw palmetto but it effected my libido for sure. Alot. If ur on test I'd def use saw palmeto.

only other products for helping hair growth a b vitamin complex 25 to 50mg a day of each b vitamin. And some days a multi vitamin. Extra zinc would help to but I ran out months ago.

I can name other things but this is what's worked good. Seems like alot now that I'm typing it. Ill get some pics. When you see the hairline ull see just how much its progressed. And overall thickness.




Title: Re: Hair Loss
Post by: g101 on December 15, 2011, 09:44:33 PM
coconut oil + emu oil + conditioner for moisture  8)



Title: Re: Hair Loss
Post by: Meso_z on December 16, 2011, 09:38:29 AM
coconut oil + emu oil + conditioner for moisture  8)


Just avoid sdrol  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D  :D :D :D


Title: Re: Hair Loss
Post by: g101 on December 16, 2011, 09:50:54 AM
Just avoid sdrol  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D  :D :D :D

ridiculous gains using sdrol at the cost of purple + red face / looking very unhealthy  ;D


Title: Re: Hair Loss
Post by: Meso_z on December 16, 2011, 01:07:13 PM
ridiculous gains using sdrol at the cost of purple + red face / looking very unhealthy  ;D
hahahahah ;D ;D ;D


Title: Re: Hair Loss
Post by: Oly15 on December 16, 2011, 02:43:51 PM
Awesome thread guys.

Lyquid, what do you think of a nizoral spray? Mixing nizoral with water as the dilutent and then spray it at certain times during the day? Would it be effective? And what's the best way to keep scalp oil free? I noticed my scalp has been more oily than usual since the winter began.

Thanks guys for the awesome thread and lets keep this updated with everyone's progress!


Title: Re: Hair Loss
Post by: TheOne on December 22, 2011, 09:10:47 AM
I have never tried Nizoral in a spray bottle like you would like to try, but massaging and washing you hair with 2% prescription Nizoral shampoo will keep your scalp oil free.  You may need it everyday but usually every other day will work also.


Title: Re: Hair Loss
Post by: Borracho on December 22, 2011, 05:03:55 PM
Just avoid sdrol  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D  :D :D :D

did superdrol have negative effects on your hair meso?


Title: Re: Hair Loss
Post by: Oly15 on December 23, 2011, 09:35:52 AM
I have never tried Nizoral in a spray bottle like you would like to try, but massaging and washing you hair with 2% prescription Nizoral shampoo will keep your scalp oil free.  You may need it everyday but usually every other day will work also.

I've been thinking about it and don't know if it be a good idea since Niz dries your hair out so much. But I have started leaving Niz in overnight and doing this EOD and I can definitely say that less hair is falling out now. I'm also taking 100 mg zinc, 640 saw palm extract and b complex. I might try out spiro.


Title: Re: Hair Loss
Post by: Borracho on December 23, 2011, 10:42:56 AM
I've been thinking about it and don't know if it be a good idea since Niz dries your hair out so much. But I have started leaving Niz in overnight and doing this EOD and I can definitely say that less hair is falling out now. I'm also taking 100 mg zinc, 640 saw palm extract and b complex. I might try out spiro.

I know what you mean wrt the drying but it does get better the longer you use it. At first my scalp was drying the hell out and almost peeling. A month later now and its not that bad anymore. I don't use emu oil but I find coconut oil or even olive oil helps with the dryness.


Title: Re: Hair Loss
Post by: nosleep on December 23, 2011, 10:54:37 AM
I know what you mean wrt the drying but it does get better the longer you use it. At first my scalp was drying the hell out and almost peeling. A month later now and its not that bad anymore. I don't use emu oil but I find coconut oil or even olive oil helps with the dryness.

100% TRUE. DO NOT USE COCONUT OIL IN THE DAY, JUST OVERNIGHT BECAUSE SHIT FUCKING SMELLS.

ANYWAYS, KEEP OLIVE OIL IN YOUR HAIR FOR THE DAY JUST A PINCH IF YOU KEEP YOUR HAIR PRESENT, FOR ME I WEAR A HAT SO I CAN LOAD UP ON IT.

MY HAIR HAS GROWN A SHIT TON. I KEEP OLIVE OIL IN MY HAIR 1-2 TIMES A WEEK, AND 1-2 TIMES A WEEK I USE COCONUT OIL OVERNIGHT. SHAMPOO WITH SOMETHING THAT DOESNT THIN AND DRY YOUR SCALP OUT. REMEMBER YOUR HAIR GROWS WHEN YOU ARE NOT TRAINING IT  :D SO DO THE OIL PROTOCOL BUT SOME REST DAYS FOR YOUR HAIR SO IT CAN ACTUALLY GROW.

OIL IS THE HORMONAS, OVERNIGHT OR LONG DURATIONS IS THE TRAINING , SHAMPOO'ING AND LETTING IT GROW IS THE RESTING & EATING.

 :D


Title: Re: Hair Loss
Post by: Oly15 on December 23, 2011, 11:07:23 AM
Ok so I'll skip the.spiro and get some coconut oil. And yeah my scalp has dried out so bad that I have skin that look like snowflakes coming off all on the frontal region. I wonder if mixing the niz with conditioner and then applying it and leaving it on overnight would make it less dry.

And also, can I apply the coconut oil on the nights that I dont do nizoral?


Title: Re: Hair Loss
Post by: Borracho on December 23, 2011, 11:38:55 AM
100% TRUE. DO NOT USE COCONUT OIL IN THE DAY, JUST OVERNIGHT BECAUSE SHIT FUCKING SMELLS.

ANYWAYS, KEEP OLIVE OIL IN YOUR HAIR FOR THE DAY JUST A PINCH IF YOU KEEP YOUR HAIR PRESENT, FOR ME I WEAR A HAT SO I CAN LOAD UP ON IT.

MY HAIR HAS GROWN A SHIT TON. I KEEP OLIVE OIL IN MY HAIR 1-2 TIMES A WEEK, AND 1-2 TIMES A WEEK I USE COCONUT OIL OVERNIGHT. SHAMPOO WITH SOMETHING THAT DOESNT THIN AND DRY YOUR SCALP OUT. REMEMBER YOUR HAIR GROWS WHEN YOU ARE NOT TRAINING IT  :D SO DO THE OIL PROTOCOL BUT SOME REST DAYS FOR YOUR HAIR SO IT CAN ACTUALLY GROW.

OIL IS THE HORMONAS, OVERNIGHT OR LONG DURATIONS IS THE TRAINING , SHAMPOO'ING AND LETTING IT GROW IS THE RESTING & EATING.

 :D
haha I like that analogy!


Ok so I'll skip the.spiro and get some coconut oil. And yeah my scalp has dried out so bad that I have skin that look like snowflakes coming off all on the frontal region. I wonder if mixing the niz with conditioner and then applying it and leaving it on overnight would make it less dry.

And also, can I apply the coconut oil on the nights that I dont do nizoral?
Thats exacly how mine was at first....the hairline was flaking up. It does get better. You can alternate the niz with the coconut oil. Yesterday I actually mixed them both cause I believe Lyquid is doing this and he knows a lot more than me about this subject. The way I did it was put the nizoral on first, let it dry and then put some coconut oil on top of that. Don't know if this would be the proper way to do it maybe someone else can chime in....


Title: Re: Hair Loss
Post by: g101 on December 23, 2011, 03:16:14 PM
Just an update guys on the Head & Shoulder Shampoo/Conditioner

The Conditioner ONLY , contains only Pyrithione Zinc 0.5%

Where as the Shampoo's and 2 in 1 (Shampoo + Conditioner) contain Pyrithione Zinc 1%.


Title: Re: Hair Loss
Post by: Borracho on December 23, 2011, 03:43:13 PM
So it looks like its better to go with the 2 in 1.

And as nosleep alluded to wrt the training and growing part perhaps switching up the routine can also aid in our hair growth/ hair loss prevention. Maybe we can also "shock" the scalp into hair growth by mixing things up every now and then. Just a thought....


Title: Re: Hair Loss
Post by: lyquid on December 26, 2011, 07:36:16 PM
couldmt remember if I replied or mot.

few days or week ago I'm lookimg thimkimg wtf I am recedeimg really really bad. Few days pass by amd it looks like I'm receded super bad. I look at my hair alot mow. So I motice shit.

but I look closer. My hair is just appearimg to look recedimg. Why. Cause rest of my hair is about imch amd a half lomg maybe two imchs some spots om top. Amd about almost ome imch to half a imch om my hairlime temples oly widows peak is alot. I meam alot of hairs from ome mm to ome cm lomg growimg all alomg my widows peak that recede agai from my test cycle amd stppimg these items.

so it was makimg my hairlime look worse cause I got like freakimg half a imch of hair growimg back I'm the missimg spots from startimg back up om this. I tried to take pics but you camt really see it. To well. But I took pics so best to see it im about a few momths whem mores growm back amd lomger to see it improbe the hairlime.

I do habe pics I just meeda email em to someome of whem my hair receded quiete abit.

it'll go  a few momths after if you quit this shit like I'd did lol. But rly were to semsitbe to dht. Wrre always gomma meed to block it.

I beem doimg. Just switchimg the mights whateber I feel like coco all might coco emu all might. Or mizoral alome all might. Mizoral eberyday to ebery other day. Zimc after it.

amd big tip memtiomed before.

cocomut oil after you wash ur hair. Ur hairs so dry amd ugly lookimg from mizoral. So take super small amoumts of coco oil simce emu oil makes ur hair smell bad amd loook ugly greasy. Keep applyimg cocomut oil small amoumts till you like the look it gibe. Umlike emu coco womt make ur hair look thimmer while applied. But you camt use alot or look greasy. Alot of womem use coco as well to gibe hair a healthly matural lookimg shime. So try it out amd stops the itchimg amd blocks dht of course to.

super dry hair ugly as heck. Forgot to memtiom that I do that so my hair looks good still durimg the day. Fimd the amoumt  wamt test it out

also regrowimg this hair om deca amd dbol. Ome humdred mg dbol day.

libido through the roof to guys. So deca amd dbol rly seems safe amd I homestly thimk the deca is helpimg it regrow. Simce deca will compete for the fibe ar emzyme so it cam make dhm mot dht. Amd dhm is tem times weaker tham dht so ur hair will be im such a great state of little dht most likely mome. I persomally thimk mo matter what amoumt of dhm im the system will attack hair amyways. I plam to up to three grams at soe poimt amd I rly habe mo fear it will cause hairloss.


Title: Re: Hair Loss
Post by: g101 on December 27, 2011, 06:59:07 PM
coconut oil, emu oil, a GOOD conditioner will all help with dryness no ?

and in terms of this what would you add/change

Nizoral 2% Shampoo daily in the morning followed by zinc piro conditioner
On damp hair 5% topical Sprinolactone cream massaged into the entire head
In the evening 1 hour before shower coconut oil massaged onto scalp
Wash with Nizoral 2% shampoo and then re-apply and leave on head all night
Before bed 5% Spironolactone cream massaged onto scalp and after half an hour pure coconut oil
Biotin and zinc as well my regular multi that I take now
Finasteride will continue at 1.25mg per day throughout

and what stack has worked for you the best lyquid ? If you could outline it would be great !


Title: Re: Hair Loss
Post by: lyquid on December 27, 2011, 08:07:48 PM
coconut oil, emu oil, a GOOD conditioner will all help with dryness no ?

and in terms of this what would you add/change

and what stack has worked for you the best lyquid ? If you could outline it would be great !

thimg is so mamy of the comditiomers out there you habe to kmow alot about the chemicals im them before you pick ome. Like he laural s sulphate or whateber its spelt. Robs the hair focile of a important protien that's needed for growth. Which is in alot of shamppos amd conditioners.

odd my n key is working... Anyways ok lol.

so ya pick a natural conditioner even the head and shoulders is harsh but I use it cause it is essential.

its show coconut oil before you get in shower prevents this protien loss.

but also coconut oil on its own has been used for yrs as a conditioner so I really suggestthat. Small amounts so not greasy tho. Remember.

plus ur hair with the right amunt will look better than it ever has... Really good. Shiney not greasy. Healthy full. Etc.

the fats block dht and so on so many benefits if you all researched it. To lazy to get into it and using it as a conditioner even. I don't like explaing really anyways cause I never trust one person. Ever. Only after I've read for years differanrt studies and opinions etc that I make a secision. That's why I went with these items over them all and I have read on everything period lol.

I took pics and you can notice it. Not really good but can see see the hair growing in is much shorter being new hair.

I think every other day. One day coconut amd emu oil before bed next day nizoral all night.

nizoral eery shower with zinc. And cocnut before shower tin amounts and coconut after to block dht rest of day and after shower cuz trust me makes ur hair lok great and not tdry like nizoral does.

also I use spirolactone... I always forget. Smetimes miss weeks. Sometimes twice  a day. Sometimes once a week. I beleie spirolactone is good. Just havnt been consitant with it.

there's no side effects its in peoples heads.. Spirolactone is fine topical.

also I take vitamins sometimes.

alot of zinc. Complete b vitamins needed for hair growth..

also things that have interested me but never tried.

look up curcumin and dht hairloss. Green tea extracy and hairloss. And resveratol hairloss dht.

if hairloss is bad look at those sounds promising but some effects maybe unwanted since its systematic.

I'd like to one day crush up saw palmeto and all those herbs and use my own cream over night.

compete b vitamin extra bitin. Saw palmeto zinc. Etc. That'd be neat


Title: Re: Hair Loss
Post by: Borracho on December 28, 2011, 05:17:22 PM
Any of you guys make your own topical spiro lotion?

all I can seem to get my hands on is aldactone in 100mg pill form.


Title: Re: Hair Loss
Post by: TheOne on January 03, 2012, 07:27:11 PM
Update on my protocol.  I've been on tren for 2 weeks now and following the protocol I outlined and have had zero hair loss so far.  See how it goes another couple of weeks from now.


Title: Re: Hair Loss
Post by: g101 on January 03, 2012, 07:31:16 PM
Update on my protocol.  I've been on tren for 2 weeks now and following the protocol I outlined and have had zero hair loss so far.  See how it goes another couple of weeks from now.

perfect... keep up the update

how does your hair look btw? is it dry ? is it easy manageable ? do you put paste/wax/gel or leave it as it ?

just so we get an idea


Title: Re: Hair Loss
Post by: seraph on January 03, 2012, 08:22:52 PM
Where the fuck can you buy nizoral shampoo ?  I see the empty space where it should be in drugs stores but its not there.


Title: Re: Hair Loss
Post by: lyquid on January 03, 2012, 08:37:21 PM
Where the fuck can you buy nizoral shampoo ?  I see the empty space where it should be in drugs stores but its not there.

tem dollars for the large bottle  two percemt camada stores.

camada coscto. Shoppers drug mart um. Amy pharmcy that will ship to usa.


Title: Re: Hair Loss
Post by: Iceman1981 on January 03, 2012, 09:09:35 PM
Ships to US

http://well.ca/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=2011


Title: Re: Hair Loss
Post by: TheOne on January 03, 2012, 09:25:12 PM
perfect... keep up the update

how does your hair look btw? is it dry ? is it easy manageable ? do you put paste/wax/gel or leave it as it ?

just so we get an idea

Hair is dry overnight because I go to sleep with the Nizoral on it but this quickly changes after I wash it in the morning and use the conditioner with almond oil.  It doesn't matter to me how it looks overnight as the only person who sees it is my wife and she already knows how obsessed I am about maintaining a complete full head of hair.  I use a light pomade before I leave for work.


Title: Re: Hair Loss
Post by: lyquid on January 04, 2012, 09:21:42 AM
Hair is dry overnight because I go to sleep with the Nizoral on it but this quickly changes after I wash it in the morning and use the conditioner with almond oil.  It doesn't matter to me how it looks overnight as the only person who sees it is my wife and she already knows how obsessed I am about maintaining a complete full head of hair.  I use a light pomade before I leave for work.

my buddy who does this hair looks sooo ugly amd dry. If ur still looks dry ibe posted use some cocomut oil after ur shower. Pat hair dryish amd put om cocomut oil rub it im good amd towel off amy ecess . Ur hair womt look thim like emu makes it. Ur hair will look thick amd amazimg. It straights the hair to so you cam style it really micely amd bery easy. Ur hair takes om a heathly shime. Rly it looks amazimg mot greasy like with emu just great.


Title: Re: Hair Loss
Post by: TheOne on January 04, 2012, 10:40:26 AM
Thanks lyquid, I have been using pure coconut oil before my showers and it helps alot.  I only notice the dryness when I leave the nizoral overnight but it doesn't bother me as I know I am doing something beneficial for my hair. 


Title: Re: Hair Loss
Post by: lyquid on January 04, 2012, 01:56:02 PM
Thanks lyquid, I have been using pure coconut oil before my showers and it helps alot.  I only notice the dryness when I leave the nizoral overnight but it doesn't bother me as I know I am doing something beneficial for my hair. 

good to hear. Ull feel like a model tho with the cocomut om after . Helps block dht durimg the day amd ur hair cam style so easy amd looks awesome lol.


Title: Re: Hair Loss
Post by: yngclassic98 on January 04, 2012, 02:08:35 PM
I am 24, and began losing my hair at 19 when I was pretty over weight and unhealthy. I'm down 80lbs and at about 13%bf before I started my cycle, have had a fuller head of hair I have ever had. I don't recall if I noticed the fullness before or after I began with the light stuff, but its nice to know that I won't go completely bald because of my choice of supplements.

Even if its not the supplements that had a positive or negative influence on my scalp, I am a full believer that healthier men may have a better shot at avoiding baldness. I recommend Groganics DHT Blocker Shampoo and Conditioner. I have been using it for most of the year, and it may have also had an impact on my hair that could have potentially countered what my supplements may have damaged.


Title: Re: Hair Loss
Post by: TheOne on January 06, 2012, 10:06:16 AM
Never heard of Groganics, Nizoral 2% is what does the job for me.


Title: Re: Hair Loss
Post by: sync pulse on January 15, 2012, 08:50:53 AM
Dandruff doesn't usually cause hair loss...Di-hydrotestosterone does...get a prescription for generic finasteride...


Title: Re: Hair Loss
Post by: TheOne on January 15, 2012, 12:11:48 PM
Finasteride doesn't do shit for Tren or Deca, it will help with Test though.


Title: Re: Hair Loss
Post by: aesthetics on January 15, 2012, 12:27:52 PM
it will make hairloss worse on both tren and deca. more so on deca.

just an addendum: tren does actually get converted to a weaker androgen by the 5-alpha reductase enzyme. don't know what it converts down into (dihydrotrenbolone, would be the name but no clue what the hormone would do), but it definitely does have a weaker effect in areas where the 5-alpha reductase enzyme is highly concentrated (prostate, sex organs, hair, etc...). not by a great amount like deca, but it does get reduced down to a less potent androgen to some extent since the parent hormone that tren was derived from, is deca.

on low dosages of tren, like 300mg/wk, i notice much much much less hair loss than using test-prop at 300mg a week, which will scorch my hair.


Title: Re: Hair Loss
Post by: stryker on January 15, 2012, 03:12:32 PM
finasteride/dutasteride wont make tren worse as if the a5 reduction even exists (lots of contradictory evidence) the reduced chemical is not as weak as DHN is to Nandralone

Nandralone on the other hand, well that stuff is rough on fina/duta


Title: Re: Hair Loss
Post by: bigsport on January 15, 2012, 03:53:04 PM
i feel bad after reading this thread. i just returned 4 bottles of nizoral to walmart, $13 bottle.


Title: Re: Hair Loss
Post by: aesthetics on January 15, 2012, 03:59:42 PM
finasteride/dutasteride wont make tren worse as if the a5 reduction even exists (lots of contradictory evidence) the reduced chemical is not as weak as DHN is to Nandralone

Nandralone on the other hand, well that stuff is rough on fina/duta

it will actually make it worse but, it's probably insignificant because trenbolone itself is a very strong androgen and 5ar won't convert more than a small percentage of the tren into the dihydronated form of the hormone. plus, don't even know specifics about what tren 5ar converts into, all we know is that it is a weaker androgen than tren itself. the only reason we even know tren interacts with the 5ar enzyme is because in studies tren had less of an effect in tissues with high concentration of 5ar enzyme.

so it's splitting hairs and broaching the territory of pendantics but for the sake of posterity, fina/dut will increase the effects on tissue where there is a high amount of 5ar enzymes when using tren.

the thing is though, according to en vivo studies measuring the binding strength and activation strength of hormones on the androgen receptor, deca itself is still 1/3rd as strong as dht, so running fina with deca while on a heavy test cycle would theoretically reduce hairloss on cycle since you would have reduced androgen levels at the scalp. in reality though, might not always work that way since in people as there are a lot more variables and people react differently to hormones - like myself, i lose hair horribly from finasteride alone and just my natural (piss poor) endogenous testosterone production. never had hairloss as bad as when i used finasteride.


Title: Re: Hair Loss
Post by: aesthetics on January 15, 2012, 04:01:17 PM
i feel bad after reading this thread. i just returned 4 bottles of nizoral to walmart, $13 bottle.

i thought you didn't get bad hairloss? i remember reading on PM where you said all the hair on your body disappeared but your scalp hair still goes strong. i remember that because i was extremely envious and wished with all my being to have the same thing happen to me, haha. lucky sob  ;D


Title: Re: Hair Loss
Post by: bigsport on January 15, 2012, 05:05:41 PM
i thought you didn't get bad hairloss? i remember reading on PM where you said all the hair on your body disappeared but your scalp hair still goes strong. i remember that because i was extremely envious and wished with all my being to have the same thing happen to me, haha. lucky sob  ;D

i dont. i use it for precautionary measures. from the waist down i am 75% hairless though. i could give two fucks about that, but i would like to keep my head in good shape.


Title: Re: Hair Loss
Post by: g101 on January 16, 2012, 03:28:30 PM
How's the stack working so far  ???

Nizoral 2% Shampoo daily in the morning followed by zinc piro conditioner
On damp hair 5% topical Sprinolactone cream massaged into the entire head
In the evening 1 hour before shower coconut oil massaged onto scalp
Wash with Nizoral 2% shampoo and then re-apply and leave on head all night
Before bed 5% Spironolactone cream massaged onto scalp and after half an hour pure coconut oil
Biotin and zinc as well my regular multi that I take now
Finasteride will continue at 1.25mg per day throughout


Title: Re: Hair Loss
Post by: TheOne on January 16, 2012, 06:25:38 PM
Extremely well, no hair loss so far at all.  The one thing that really makes a difference I feel is the Nizoral on the hair overnight.  The only thing that I am not following on the stack is taking the biotin and zinc.  I just take an extra multi which has zinc in it as well as a bunch of other stuff.


Title: Re: Hair Loss
Post by: aesthetics on January 16, 2012, 09:35:10 PM
don't know how you guys can do the nizoral overnight . i tried it once, and only once because i couldn't handle it. scalp itches like hell all day and hair looks worn out, even skin on my forehead seemed to be dried out and itching.

glad it works for you. what are you running and at what dosages? i'm assuming test, since you're also using finasteride.


Title: Re: Hair Loss
Post by: TheOne on January 17, 2012, 04:32:07 AM
I apply the Nizoral before bed at around 10 pm and shower at 6 am and wash it out.  I don't have any itching at all with it.  I use the conditioner with almond oil and it restores my hair within minutes from looking dry or worn out. 

I am running the following right now:

210mg Test Cyp E5D
62.5mg Tren A ED
40mg Anavar ED

My Tren is dosed at 125mg/ml so I am using half a cc ED.  I plan on upping my Tren later to my max which will be 100mg per day so 700mg for the week, right now I am in the 430mg per week range.  I am assessing the hair as I go along and keeping a spreadsheet.  Once I experience any hair loss I will immediately return to the dose that yielded me no hair loss and know that this is probably my max for Tren.


Title: Re: Hair Loss
Post by: Borracho on January 17, 2012, 11:09:56 AM
don't know how you guys can do the nizoral overnight . i tried it once, and only once because i couldn't handle it. scalp itches like hell all day and hair looks worn out, even skin on my forehead seemed to be dried out and itching.

glad it works for you. what are you running and at what dosages? i'm assuming test, since you're also using finasteride.

ahaha yeah I know what you mean. My forehead was peeling at first and it was stained red. The head and shoulders helps ...I just use the shampoo cause conditioners always seem to my hair fall out.

I did experience some very light shedding from tbol myself but I noticed it was coming from the top and the crown where I never used to apply any of the topicals.


Title: Re: Hair Loss
Post by: aesthetics on January 17, 2012, 11:13:27 AM
oh, i think if topicals work for you then that's great keep using them. they can definitely work, and i think when you are using very mild drugs like t-bol they will probably  have the greatest effect.

my issue with spironolactone was it was hard as hell to apply to my scalp. always got stuck in my hair and i had to use giant gobs of it because of that.

you were fine on just deca alone right? i figure most people will be, since most people respond well to finasteride/duta for hairloss and deca is exactly like running test with finasteride - in regard to hairloss, but both hormones are different from a bodybuilding perspective.


Title: Re: Hair Loss
Post by: Borracho on January 17, 2012, 11:20:56 AM
oh, i think if topicals work for you then that's great keep using them. they can definitely work, and i think when you are using very mild drugs like t-bol they will probably  have the greatest effect.

my issue with spironolactone was it was hard as hell to apply to my scalp. always got stuck in my hair and i had to use giant gobs of it because of that.

you were fine on just deca alone right? i figure most people will be, since most people respond well to finasteride/duta for hairloss and deca is exactly like running test with finasteride - in regard to hairloss, but both hormones are different from a bodybuilding perspective.

looks like Im good on just deca so far at under 500mgs...haven't gone over that yet. Have you looked into perhaps making your own spironolactone mix from crushed pills and giving that a try?


Title: Re: Hair Loss
Post by: aesthetics on January 17, 2012, 11:28:58 AM
looks like Im good on just deca so far at under 500mgs...haven't gone over that yet. Have you looked into perhaps making your own spironolactone mix from crushed pills and giving that a try?

yeah, actually i did that but i'm not sure if i could get them to dissolve completely, and whether or not my nonresponse to the spiro treatment was due to that or other reasons. i've used premade spiro cream in the past and also didn't notice a benefit so, i can't really say.

it's very very inexpensive to make your own spiro cream. i believe it's like, $2 for 2ounces worth, which costs like $30 otherwise to get 5% premade spiro cream.


Title: Re: Hair Loss
Post by: Borracho on January 17, 2012, 12:13:16 PM
yeah, actually i did that but i'm not sure if i could get them to dissolve completely, and whether or not my nonresponse to the spiro treatment was due to that or other reasons. i've used premade spiro cream in the past and also didn't notice a benefit so, i can't really say.

it's very very inexpensive to make your own spiro cream. i believe it's like, $2 for 2ounces worth, which costs like $30 otherwise to get 5% premade spiro cream.

Can't believe we're in the year 2012 and there's still no definitive cure/prevention for hair loss.

I've seen some people using some stuff called dermovan cream to make their own topical spiro. I wouldn't mind giving it a try but I can't find that stuff but I did see someone using rosewater and glycerin; I might give that a try. What did you use?


Title: Re: Hair Loss
Post by: aesthetics on January 17, 2012, 12:25:37 PM
dermovin was discontinued, if i remember correctly, because i believe i tried getting it when i wanted to make the spiro cream. all i used was cetaphil cream. i talked to some people about it on hairloss forum and they said they just used a neutral cream, like what i did.


Title: Re: Hair Loss
Post by: Borracho on January 17, 2012, 12:38:33 PM
dermovin was discontinued, if i remember correctly, because i believe i tried getting it when i wanted to make the spiro cream. all i used was cetaphil cream. i talked to some people about it on hairloss forum and they said they just used a neutral cream, like what i did.

kinda getting sick of using all this crap but I figure I gotta try it at least. My hair is not in bad shape or anything but once its gone I might as well jump off a bridge...lol


Title: Re: Hair Loss
Post by: 5antasy on January 18, 2012, 12:18:47 AM
Right now I'm on 1.25 mg fina ed and rogaine twice a day. I have seen good results so far, hair regrew on the back of my head and the front too, even while I was on 500mg test per week. I also washed with nizoral twice a week.

Lyquid, where are you getting this nizoral that leaves your hair smelling nice and clean in the morning??? I get mine from adc and it smells like straight indian food man. No way I'll leave that shit on overnight. pm me your nizoral source please. Also, do you wear a hair cap so the shit doesn't get all over your pillow and sheets?


Title: Re: Hair Loss
Post by: spude on January 19, 2012, 12:26:14 PM
allright guys, i have mpb running in family...my uncle was completely bald at the age of 25 and my father's hair started thinning and hairline getting higher and higher at 25-30, oddly he still has some of it left at 59 ;D

i personally have always had strong and thick hair, but lately with high dose tren, moderate masteron and eq and little bit of test it's really started to get thinner FAST :o...so after reading this thread i searched through the website of a local net pharmacy...would nizoral 2% shampoo and cream and a 100mg/g sinc cream be enough...do i need something else? thanks guys


Title: Re: Hair Loss
Post by: aesthetics on January 19, 2012, 12:29:19 PM
allright guys, i have mpb running in family...my uncle was completely bald at the age of 25 and my father's hair started thinning and hairline getting higher and higher at 25-30, oddly he still has some of it left at 59 ;D

i personally have always had strong and thick hair, but lately with high dose tren, moderate masteron and eq and little bit of test it's really started to get thinner FAST :o...so after reading this thread i searched through the website of a local net pharmacy...would nizoral 2% shampoo and cream and a 100mg/g sinc cream be enough...do i need something else? thanks guys

you're running high dose tren and on top of that a lot of masteron. nothing will help. mast will scour your scalp like a brillo pad. if you have any propensity to hairloss mast will make your hair fall out like crazy.


Title: Re: Hair Loss
Post by: spude on January 19, 2012, 12:32:48 PM
you're running high dose tren and on top of that a lot of masteron. nothing will help. mast will scour your scalp brillo pad. if you have any propensity to hairloss mast will make your hair fall out like crazy.

SSHIIIITTT!!!...try to be a bit more positive and encouraging bro >:(
j/k...thanks for your help


Title: Re: Hair Loss
Post by: TheOne on January 19, 2012, 12:38:41 PM
I heard Masteron can be pretty harsh on the hairline and cause a lot of shedding.  If you are concerned with hair thinning/loss I'd drop the Mast.  Tren can be done without any hair loss but it requires quite a lot of effort.  Look at my protocol i am currently using.  For the test you can use Finasteride and experience no hair loss.  Good luck. 


Title: Re: Hair Loss
Post by: spude on January 19, 2012, 01:08:57 PM
what about conditioner that on top of sinc also includes caffeine? wtf is up with that?


Title: Re: Hair Loss
Post by: spude on January 19, 2012, 01:10:42 PM
I heard Masteron can be pretty harsh on the hairline and cause a lot of shedding.  If you are concerned with hair thinning/loss I'd drop the Mast.  Tren can be done without any hair loss but it requires quite a lot of effort.  Look at my protocol i am currently using.  For the test you can use Finasteride and experience no hair loss.  Good luck. 

yeah, your protocol definitely looks to be close to perfect...thx!


Title: Re: Hair Loss
Post by: 5antasy on January 19, 2012, 01:50:13 PM
I apply the Nizoral before bed at around 10 pm and shower at 6 am and wash it out.  I don't have any itching at all with it.  I use the conditioner with almond oil and it restores my hair within minutes from looking dry or worn out. 

I am running the following right now:

210mg Test Cyp E5D
62.5mg Tren A ED
40mg Anavar ED

My Tren is dosed at 125mg/ml so I am using half a cc ED.  I plan on upping my Tren later to my max which will be 100mg per day so 700mg for the week, right now I am in the 430mg per week range.  I am assessing the hair as I go along and keeping a spreadsheet.  Once I experience any hair loss I will immediately return to the dose that yielded me no hair loss and know that this is probably my max for Tren.

What conditioner do you use? Would one with coconut oil be more effective?


Title: Re: Hair Loss
Post by: Borracho on January 19, 2012, 02:02:58 PM
what about conditioner that on top of sinc also includes caffeine? wtf is up with that?

I believe theres been studies showing that caffeine can stimulate hair growth and prevent hair loss.


EDIT: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17214716


Title: Re: Hair Loss
Post by: TheOne on January 19, 2012, 06:18:27 PM
I use head and shoulders zinc pyro conditioner.  It has almond oil already added to it.  $5 from CVS/Walgreens.


Title: Re: Hair Loss
Post by: Borracho on January 19, 2012, 06:52:45 PM
I avoid conditioners cause I find they make more hair come out in the shower.....anyone else experience this as well?

I use the h&S shampoo since it also has 1% zinc pyro because of this.



Title: Re: Hair Loss
Post by: TheOne on January 19, 2012, 07:45:37 PM
I have to use the conditioner as I leave the Nizoral on my hair all night and in the morning it has a dry texture until I wash it and apply the conditioner.


Title: Re: Hair Loss
Post by: g101 on January 20, 2012, 01:28:22 AM
Any thoughts on Azelaic acid (anti-DHT) ? Also from what i read it doesn't causing aging like minoxidil and is used for anti-aging

Apparently it inhibits both types of DHT and there is many who say it is better than Spironolactone


Title: Re: Hair Loss
Post by: FightOnSC on January 20, 2012, 11:56:32 AM
Any thoughts on Azelaic acid (anti-DHT) ? Also from what i read it doesn't causing aging like minoxidil and is used for anti-aging

Apparently it inhibits both types of DHT and there is many who say it is better than Spironolactone

I think Azelaic Acid is GREAT. I recommend it for exactly what your talking about here - http://www.hairlossfromsteroids.com/Products-That-Work.html
basically, apply it before minoxidil, thin layer, rub it in. give it 2-3minutes then apply liquid topicals, its working really well so far.


Title: Re: Hair Loss
Post by: lyquid on January 20, 2012, 08:17:45 PM
Any thoughts on Azelaic acid (anti-DHT) ? Also from what i read it doesn't causing aging like minoxidil and is used for anti-aging

Apparently it inhibits both types of DHT and there is many who say it is better than Spironolactone

I looked really hard imto aa. But I kept fimdimg just as much imfo sayimg it didmt work amd just as mucj that it did. So I left it alome. It soumds lie it works. I'm gomma look for some.


Title: Re: Hair Loss
Post by: lyquid on January 20, 2012, 08:19:30 PM
to the guy talkimg about leabimg mizoral om obermight qith dry hair.

aftet you wash it out. Apply small amoumts to ur damp hair of cocomut oil. To much looks little greasy. So do small amoumts rub it all ober amd ur hair looks so amazimg amf shimy health shime . Will look amazimg trust me om that try it out. Makes hair look thicker I fimd to amd straighter easier to style.


Title: Re: Hair Loss
Post by: Iceman1981 on January 21, 2012, 11:55:39 AM
to the guy talkimg about leabimg mizoral om obermight qith dry hair.

aftet you wash it out. Apply small amoumts to ur damp hair of cocomut oil. To much looks little greasy. So do small amoumts rub it all ober amd ur hair looks so amazimg amf shimy health shime . Will look amazimg trust me om that try it out. Makes hair look thicker I fimd to amd straighter easier to style.

LOL, I like reading your posts. It's even funnier because of the missing "n".

I've read about rubbing olive oil in your hair and leaving it there overnight. It's supposed to break up the DHT. Also brushing your hair everyday with a boar bristle brush is good for circulation in the scalp.


Title: Re: Hair Loss
Post by: g101 on January 30, 2012, 07:44:40 PM
TheOne

we need updates now  8)


Title: Re: Hair Loss
Post by: TheOne on January 30, 2012, 07:56:53 PM
Ok g101, here you go.  I have experienced zero hair loss in the last 5 weeks while beginning Tren.  I alternate each night between applying topical spironolactone and coconut oil after I have had the Nizoral on my hair for at least 30 minutes so it has time to dry a little.  I really like using the Hibiclens every Sunday to reset my scalp mixed in with the Nizoral 2%.  I have also added in Biotin as a separate supplement, don't notice a difference yet but it's more for just piece of mind.  Btw, I am using Tren at 65mg per day along with Test and Anavar. 


Title: Re: Hair Loss
Post by: Archer77 on February 03, 2012, 06:40:16 AM
Ran a few Deca/Dbol/Test cycles in my early and late twenties without any noticeable change in hair quality or density.  It could be that the damage was so minimal I didn't notice a change at the time.  Ran a cycle in my early thirties and the hair started falling out in handfuls almost immediately, even after I stopped.  

Now I keep the hair cut tight to the scalp and take Propecia and use 2% keto in hopes of holding onto what I have left.   I still have a lot of hair left and an intact hairline.   Keto doesn't dry out my hair at all and like you, I keep it in my hair for thirty minutes or so.  If you can get your hands on it, use Extina.  Extina is a keto foam and it was so easy to apply and it didn't dry out my hair or scalp.  Plus, you don't wash it out, which allows the active chemical to better penetrate the scalp.  The big draw back, and the reason I don't use it still, is price.  There aren't any generics for keto foam and it is pretty pricey.


 I'm glad you seem to be keeping your hair using a similar protocol to mine.  I'd be a lot more willing to run a cycle again if I knew I could keep my hair.  I know, I know; i'm a pussy who should just shave it.

How is the topical spironolactone working?  I've been thinking about adding it to my regiment but unsure if it works well. Is it expensive?





Title: Re: Hair Loss
Post by: Rhino on February 27, 2012, 02:42:36 AM
so take saw palmeto right? def. will :)


Title: Re: Hair Loss
Post by: Iceman1981 on February 27, 2012, 11:07:52 PM
so take saw palmeto right? def. will :)

I took saw palmeto and it killed my libido big time. I stopped taking it and my libido went back to normal. I read that stinging nettle root is a good dht blocker. Also, many guys say it lowers their estrogen. Never tried it though.


Title: Re: Hair Loss
Post by: Oly15 on February 28, 2012, 06:28:54 AM
so take saw palmeto right? def. will :)

Definitely try it. It works great for me and didnt mess with my libido. Try it out and see everyones different.


Title: Re: Hair Loss
Post by: aesthetics on February 28, 2012, 08:05:05 AM
so take saw palmeto right? def. will :)

it's like a weaker version of finasteride, essentially.


Title: Re: Hair Loss
Post by: lyquid on February 28, 2012, 08:11:10 AM
I took saw palmeto and it killed my libido big time. I stopped taking it and my libido went back to normal. I read that stinging nettle root is a good dht blocker. Also, many guys say it lowers their estrogen. Never tried it though.

It blocks estrogen from bind to the receptor site. Atleasr in prostate tissue.


Title: Re: Hair Loss
Post by: Oly15 on February 28, 2012, 11:56:01 AM
it's like a weaker version of finasteride, essentially.

No not really.


Title: Re: Hair Loss
Post by: aesthetics on February 28, 2012, 12:00:14 PM
explain how their mode of action is different then


Title: Re: Hair Loss
Post by: Oly15 on February 28, 2012, 12:06:15 PM
Just that any side effects aren't permanently stuck with u like when u take fina. Also fina affects the body neurologically to a small degree whereas saw palmetto doesnt have the potential to do this and merely inhibits the production of dht. It also doesnt mess with semen consistency and a whole other bunch of shit. Not gettin in to detail, but ive done a bunch of research and fina is horrible where saw palmetto may exhibit similar or even better results than finasteride without the damaging side efdects. There was one study I read a while back about the two receptors that interact with saw palmetto to stop dht where fina only interacts with one.


Title: Re: Hair Loss
Post by: aesthetics on February 28, 2012, 01:18:39 PM
you're talking about the propeciahelp.com website? people on there have gotten long term sides from saw palmetto too, and i think what happens is that androgen receptors can upregulate and down regulate and after awhile of low androgen levels, androgen receptor sites in the cells down regulate to a very low level, causing the symptoms of low androgenic levels to persist even after stopping androgen inhibitors.

that's my theory anyways. there are guys who run trt after getting those sides that feel normal again.


Title: Re: Hair Loss
Post by: Oly15 on February 28, 2012, 02:03:22 PM
Nah I wasnt talkin about that website. Never been there I dont think. And interesting theory. Definitely possible but I would think that the androgen receptors wouldn't downregulate too much since testosterone is still present even tho dht isnt.


Title: Re: Hair Loss
Post by: undead on February 28, 2012, 02:25:53 PM
explain how their mode of action is different then


uh, ok i will. saw palmetto affects a different enzyme than finasteride.

as we all know, the 5 alpha reductase enzyme reduces test to DHT. however there are 2 isoforms of the enzyme. type I and type II. finasteride only affects the type I isoform which is found in very high concentrations in the prostate and scalp which is why its used for hair loss. it can reduce systemic DHT by something like 60% if i remember correctly. saw palmetto only affects the type II isoform and doesnt reduce systemic DHT by as much as finasteride. also, because the concentration of the type II isoform of the 5AR isnt as high in the scalp, its not gonna have as much of an effect as finasteride.


Title: Re: Hair Loss
Post by: ChristopherA on February 29, 2012, 10:04:41 AM
Can't believe we're in the year 2012 and there's still no definitive cure/prevention for hair loss.

I've seen some people using some stuff called dermovan cream to make their own topical spiro. I wouldn't mind giving it a try but I can't find that stuff but I did see someone using rosewater and glycerin; I might give that a try. What did you use?
Hair transplant works if you got 4k. You notice actors all the time slowly and slowly their hair comes back. It's gradual not all the sudden they have a full head of hair. Jeremy Piven, Joel Mchale from "The Soup", the guy who play's Boyd Crauwder on "Justified." All these guy's were going bald bad.


Title: Re: Hair Loss
Post by: aesthetics on February 29, 2012, 11:32:47 AM
Can't believe we're in the year 2012 and there's still no definitive cure/prevention for hair loss.

I've seen some people using some stuff called dermovan cream to make their own topical spiro. I wouldn't mind giving it a try but I can't find that stuff but I did see someone using rosewater and glycerin; I might give that a try. What did you use?

there are a lot of topical androgen blockers, experimental ones. the issue is, getting the drug from outside the scalp, into the hair follicules, which is extremely difficult.

systemic androgen blockers, obviously carry a lot of sides and are counter-productive to bodybuilding. that is mainly how topical androgen blockers work at the moment, absorbed and circulate systemically and block androgens from binding to hair follicles to a certain extent.

once scientists figure out a way to get androgen blockers to penetrate the scalp effectively, and without getting absorbed systemically, it will be a cure for 90% of male pattern baldness.



Title: Re: Hair Loss
Post by: Archer77 on February 29, 2012, 02:18:24 PM
there are a lot of topical androgen blockers, experimental ones. the issue is, getting the drug from outside the scalp, into the hair follicules, which is extremely difficult.

systemic androgen blockers, obviously carry a lot of sides and are counter-productive to bodybuilding. that is mainly how topical androgen blockers work at the moment, absorbed and circulate systemically and block androgens from binding to hair follicles to a certain extent.

once scientists figure out a way to get androgen blockers to penetrate the scalp effectively, and without getting absorbed systemically, it will be a cure for 90% of male pattern baldness.




Despite the recent hysteria from a small group of people; the incidents of side effects from the use of Propecia are statistically quite low.  I've been on it for over a year and have never had a problem. 


Title: Re: Hair Loss
Post by: supernick on March 01, 2012, 11:26:24 AM
anyone ever try biotin shampoo? figured i would try it ???


Title: Re: Hair Loss
Post by: 5antasy on March 01, 2012, 12:27:39 PM

Despite the recent hysteria from a small group of people; the incidents of side effects from the use of Propecia are statistically quite low.  I've been on it for over a year and have never had a problem. 

This.

Propecia is effective, and I have not experienced sides. Besides, if you're taking it then you're probably cycling test, so there goes any concerns for libido issues.


Title: Re: Hair Loss
Post by: Archer77 on March 01, 2012, 12:33:07 PM
This.

Propecia is effective, and I have not experienced sides. Besides, if you're taking it then you're probably cycling test, so there goes any concerns for libido issues.

I noticed that my natural test levels rebounded faster after running test while also using Fin.   Did you experience this as well?  It may all be in my  head.


Title: Re: Hair Loss
Post by: Borracho on March 01, 2012, 04:18:43 PM
Hair transplant works if you got 4k. You notice actors all the time slowly and slowly their hair comes back. It's gradual not all the sudden they have a full head of hair. Jeremy Piven, Joel Mchale from "The Soup", the guy who play's Boyd Crauwder on "Justified." All these guy's were going bald bad.

I heard that the new hair would be more resistant to the effects of dht, I'm not sure if this is true. Either way I'll probably end up getting one if it ever gets that bad.


there are a lot of topical androgen blockers, experimental ones. the issue is, getting the drug from outside the scalp, into the hair follicules, which is extremely difficult.

systemic androgen blockers, obviously carry a lot of sides and are counter-productive to bodybuilding. that is mainly how topical androgen blockers work at the moment, absorbed and circulate systemically and block androgens from binding to hair follicles to a certain extent.

once scientists figure out a way to get androgen blockers to penetrate the scalp effectively, and without getting absorbed systemically, it will be a cure for 90% of male pattern baldness.



Hope they find a way soon so I don't have to resort to getting that hair transplant  ;D


Title: Re: Hair Loss
Post by: aesthetics on March 01, 2012, 06:21:41 PM
big problem with hair transplants is that they don't always hold. the hairs transplanted die, for whatever reason. it also leaves a pretty decent sized scar where they took the hairs from.

the best way to do it, i've heard, is to take the hair from under the chin since those hairs are immune to the effects of androgens and the scar won't be visible unless you lift your chin up.


Title: Re: Hair Loss
Post by: Borracho on March 01, 2012, 09:17:28 PM
big problem with hair transplants is that they don't always hold. the hairs transplanted die, for whatever reason. it also leaves a pretty decent sized scar where they took the hairs from.

the best way to do it, i've heard, is to take the hair from under the chin since those hairs are immune to the effects of androgens and the scar won't be visible unless you lift your chin up.

They can take hair from my ass...I don't want it there any more   ;D


Title: Re: Hair Loss
Post by: Iceman1981 on March 13, 2012, 11:29:36 AM
Here is the study I found on Nizoral to regrow hair:

http://www.pharmacymix.com/docs/nizoral_shampoo_ketoconazole_2_hair_loss.pdf


Title: Re: Hair Loss
Post by: El Diablo Blanco on March 13, 2012, 11:32:52 AM
Here is the study I found on Nizoral to regrow hair:

http://www.pharmacymix.com/docs/nizoral_shampoo_ketoconazole_2_hair_loss.pdf

Where can get 2%?


Title: Re: Hair Loss
Post by: falco on March 13, 2012, 02:19:17 PM
Here is the study I found on Nizoral to regrow hair:

http://www.pharmacymix.com/docs/nizoral_shampoo_ketoconazole_2_hair_loss.pdf
Awsome! I thought it just prevented loss but it actually causes regrowth. Good news!


Title: Re: Hair Loss
Post by: Oly15 on March 13, 2012, 03:19:22 PM
Where can get 2%?

I've never ordered from here bc I get mine prescribed, but someone recommended this site so you might want to try it out: http://wholesalehairproducts.com/


Title: Re: Hair Loss
Post by: gatorr on March 13, 2012, 06:57:51 PM
Its available over the counter in Canada. About $14 a bottle.


Title: Re: Hair Loss
Post by: Iceman1981 on March 14, 2012, 09:39:54 AM
Where can get 2%?

Ships to US

http://well.ca/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=2011


Title: Re: Hair Loss
Post by: El Diablo Blanco on March 14, 2012, 09:41:18 AM
Its available over the counter in Canada. About $14 a bottle.

Why are Canadians so luck?


Title: Re: Hair Loss
Post by: T-rex on March 14, 2012, 08:15:49 PM
Where can get 2%?

I just get it at Amazon. 20 bucks a bottle, but a little goes along way. I've been using the same bottle for awhile. I do it every 2 days. The hair looks pretty good. I apply it on the areas on my back where i tend to break out, and on just the top of the scalp and let it soak in for hours sometimes an entire day. It smells good too. (Edit: meant the 1% Nizoral)


Title: Re: Hair Loss
Post by: Oly15 on March 17, 2012, 03:38:57 PM
Dht derived steroids are derived from dht, but are they actually pure dht? I was thinking about how people get hairloss sometimes from derivatives of dht, but ehy would this cause hairloss if it is not actually pure dht itself? Is it because it is very androgenic?

Maybe hairloss has.more to do with the androgen amt then dht amount, thats why people experience hairloss sometimes from tren, even though it doesnt reduce or come from dht.


Title: Re: Hair Loss
Post by: Oly15 on April 24, 2012, 08:13:53 PM
Has anyone tried topical spiro to regain or prevent any hair loss? Did it work? How long before you noticed anything, if at all? Was tyere any initial shedding?


Title: Re: Hair Loss
Post by: Marlo Stanfield on April 25, 2012, 04:59:48 AM
what about zinc dandruff shampoos?


Title: Re: Hair Loss
Post by: Borracho on April 25, 2012, 05:54:16 AM
what about zinc dandruff shampoos?

Zinc pyrithione is said to decrease shedding and slightly promote hair growth. I use it along with a bunch of other things (sorry no spiro Oly) so I can't really say if its helped or not. When you use so many things its hard to pin point what's really working and what's not. I figure it can only help so I use it.

Study below deals with telogen effluvium related hairloss associated with dandruff. But, if you're on a cycle sebum excretion is likely increased and these products will help control that. The piroctone olamine looks better actually...had not even heard of it.



Nudging hair shedding by antidandruff shampoos. A comparison of 1% ketoconazole, 1% piroctone olamine and 1% zinc pyrithione formulations.
Piérard-Franchimont C, Goffin V, Henry F, Uhoda I, Braham C, Piérard GE.
Source

Department of Dermatopathology, University Medical Center Sart Tilman, B-4000 Liège, Belgium.
Abstract

Hair shedding and hair thinning have been reported to be affected by dandruff and seborrhoeic dermatitis. The present study was conducted in 150 men presenting with telogen effluvium related to androgenic alopecia associated with dandruff. They were randomly allocated to three groups receiving each one of the three shampoos in the market containing either 1% ketoconazole (KTZ), 1% piroctone olamine (PTO) or 1% zinc pyrithione (ZPT). Shampoos had to be used 2-3 times a week for 6 months. Hair shedding during shampoo was evaluated semiquantitatively. Hair density on the vertex was evaluated on photographs using a Dermaphot. Trichograms were used for determining the anagen hair percentage and the mean proximal hair shaft diameter using computerized image analysis. The sebum excretion rate (SER, mug cm(-2) h(-1)) was also measured using a Sebumeter. The three treatments cleared pruritus and dandruff rapidly. At end point, hair density was unchanged, although hair shedding was decreased (KTZ: -17.3%, PTO: -16.5%, ZPT: -10.1%) and the anagen hair percentage was increased (KTZ: 4.9%, PTO: 7.9%, ZPT: 6.8%). The effect on the mean hair shaft diameter was contrasted between the three groups of volunteers (KTZ: 5.4%, PTO: 7.7%, ZPT: -2.2%). In conclusion, telogen effluvium was controlled by KTZ, PTO and ZPT shampoos at 1% concentration. In addition, KTZ and PTO increased the mean hair shaft thickness while discretely decreasing the sebum output at the skin surface.

PMID:18498517
 [PubMed]


Title: Re: Hair Loss
Post by: Marlo Stanfield on April 25, 2012, 06:51:48 AM
So until my nizoral 2% arrives, is it a good idea to use some 1% nizoral?

or has it been established that the 1% isnt that effective?


Title: Re: Hair Loss
Post by: Borracho on April 25, 2012, 07:16:27 AM
some steroid books say some steroids wont make you go bald early, even with proposition.

i dont believe that, i believe all steroids can cause permature hair loss, and i dont believe anything can stop it.

if its geneticaly meant to happen, it will happen anyway, steroids will fasten up the process.

the solutions are waiting it out and stay natural.

doing only gh, gh doesnt cause hair loss.

doing steroids and then do it like silvio berlusconi, aka getting hair implanted.

the single worst steroid to cause hair loss is test e, from what ive seen.

maybe on low doses of deca, one might get away with no early hairloss.

maybe a deca/gh stack is ok.

to be totally safe, be natural or only do gh.



I can do steroids without causing hair loss but I will always have to limit which ones I use and the doses I take. I can take test with finasteride but I wouldn't be getting the full effect due to lower dht levels and I wouldn't be able to stack it with deca. Constantly worrying if I'm shedding more than usual....yeah, I wanna say fuck it and stay natural cause I rather have my hair.

Hopefully they come up with a cure but for now seems like this will be in my future if I keep on juicing:

(http://www.hishairclinic.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/new-hairline11.jpg)
(http://www.hishairclinic.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/rafael_complete2.jpg)

Thats just a tattoo filling in the empty spaces..lol looks good though eh?

I rather have hair though.....

http://www.newhair.com/hairline-lowering.html

I notice transplant pics are always guys who had absolutely no hair at all....why wait to lose most of it ??  ....and they never look good




Title: Re: Hair Loss
Post by: Borracho on April 25, 2012, 07:35:13 AM
So until my nizoral 2% arrives, is it a good idea to use some 1% nizoral?

or has it been established that the 1% isnt that effective?

Well, the 2% is better than the 1%. But the 1% is much better than the 0%.

Plus, the study I posted above used the 1% and it showed improvement in hair shaft diameter, less shed, and growth.


Title: Re: Hair Loss
Post by: ChristopherA on April 25, 2012, 07:49:16 AM
If I was worried about my hair that much I would just get the transplant. The hair is from you and it looks good. Sopposedly because it's from a part of your head where the hair doesnt fall out, when they transplant it to the new area it will take. I actually went to a consultation on it and it seemed pretty solid


Title: Re: Hair Loss
Post by: Primemuscle on April 25, 2012, 07:58:28 AM
Guys, I have been effectively bald since my early 20's. When I started going bald, everyone, like my barber and my friends had something to say about how to avoid this. Nothing that I tried worked in the long run.

For awhile I combed my hair forward to cover the advancing widow's peak. One day during my lunch break, I went to the barber shop and had my hair buzz cut. It was quite a shock to see myself in the mirror. Walking back to work, my wife who was also at lunch with some girlfriends didn't even recognize me when she first saw me crossing the street. However, buzz cutting my hair was ultimately the most freeing experience. To this day, it is still buzz cut (well the sides and the back). There isn't much but a few hairs to cut on the top. Nowadays I cut my hair myself.

I did my thesis on male pattern baldness remedies. The research was great fun.  Because of my being bald, the companies I visited like Hair Club for Men actually took me to be serious about hair replacement. In my opinion the most drastic solution I looked into for my thesis was scalp reduction. There was a fellow at the gym where I worked out at the time who was using this method.  I even bought a wig at a wig shop and had it trimmed to look more like a man's wig (it was not a hairpiece). I wore it one time. Somewhere there is a photo of me wearing this wig. Whenever I've run across it in the past, it has cracked me up.

These days, if I want a change, I throw on a hat. I have quite a collection of hats. Different style hats change one's appearance as much a various hairstyles do. Hat's seem like a good solution for those days when you don't feel like looking bald or simply to keep your head warm on cold days or protect the scalp for too much sun.
 


Title: Re: Hair Loss
Post by: ChristopherA on April 25, 2012, 08:14:40 AM
Guys, I have been effectively bald since my early 20's. When I started going bald everyone, like my barber and my friends had something to say about how to avoid this. Nothing that I tried worked in the long run.

For awhile I combed my hair forward to cover the advancing widow's peak. One day during my lunch break, I went to the barber shop and had my hair buzz cut. It was quite a shock to see myself in the mirror. Walking back to work, my wife who was also at lunch with some girlfriends didn't even recognize me when she first saw me crossing the street. However, buzz cutting my hair was ultimately the most freeing experience. To this day, it is still buzz cut (well the sides and the back). There isn't much but a few hairs to cut on the top. Nowadays I cut my hair myself.

I did my thesis on male pattern baldness remedies. research was great fun.  Because of my being bald, the companies I visited like Hair Club for Men actually took me to be serious about hair replacement. In my opinion the most drastic solution I looked into for my thesis was scalp reduction. There was a fellow at the gym where I worked out at the time who was using this method.  I even bought a wig at a wig shop and had it trimmed to look more like a man's wig (it was not a hairpiece). I wore it one time. Somewhere there is a photo of me wearing this wig. Whenever I've run across it in the past, it has cracked me up.

These days, if I want a change, I throw on a hat. I have quite a collection of hats. Different style hats change one's appearance as much a various hairstyles do. Hat's seem like a good solution for those days when you don't feel like looking bald or simply to keep your head warm on cold days or protect the scalp for too much sun.
 
Sounds just like me. i could see I was balding even at 20yrs old. Other people didnt notice but I knew. Lost it really really slow. I just kept getting it cut shorter and shorter. Only this year did I start shaving my head and I am 35yrs old now. I still looked ok with it cut short just didnt feel like getting a haircut every couple weeks anymore. Now I can run a crazy cycle and not worry about my hair anymore, it is quite liberating lol


Title: Re: Hair Loss
Post by: Oly15 on May 02, 2012, 05:27:34 AM
Anyone know a good place that sells the 2% nizoral, prescription strength?


Title: !
Post by: CAPTAIN INSANO on May 02, 2012, 05:51:57 AM
Anyone know a good place that sells the 2% nizoral, prescription strength?

Alldaychemist is great!! for prescription meds..

I get nizoral, clomid, nolvadex, etc. from here

https://www.alldaychemist.com/manufacturer.php?id_manufacturer=546


Title: Re: !
Post by: Oly15 on May 02, 2012, 05:57:49 AM
Alldaychemist is great!! for prescription meds..

I get nizoral, clomid, nolvadex, etc. from here

https://www.alldaychemist.com/manufacturer.php?id_manufacturer=546

Yeah ive heard of them..just leary to order from that place considering their past history with huge unknown charges on your credit card. Do you use a prepaid to order?


Title: Re: !
Post by: CAPTAIN INSANO on May 02, 2012, 07:54:22 AM
Yeah ive heard of them..just leary to order from that place considering their past history with huge unknown charges on your credit card. Do you use a prepaid to order?

Money Order


Title: Re: !
Post by: Primemuscle on May 02, 2012, 09:04:19 AM
Yeah ive heard of them..just leary to order from that place considering their past history with huge unknown charges on your credit card. Do you use a prepaid to order?

I've not experienced any problems with AllDayChemist as far as unauthorized credit card charges. However, I did get a phone call the other day which was supposedly from AllDayChemist. The person calling said if I purchased my prescription that day, they'd give me a discount. I declined when she asked for my credit card number. Although she had all my information, she said she didn't have the credit card number. It seemed like a scam to me, particularly when the woman became insistent. This is when I thanked her and hung up on her.


Title: Re: Hair Loss
Post by: Oly15 on May 02, 2012, 02:01:46 PM
i live in the US and used well.ca , they ship from canada, never had any probs

Think ill go with this. Heard of a few others having success with this place and I feel more comfortable going here instead of adc. Thanks for the input guys!


Title: Re: Hair Loss
Post by: CAPTAIN INSANO on May 02, 2012, 04:31:05 PM
adc is good to go...

i never opted to pay with a CC

TA time is just as good

Can get anything there...(not benzos or pks)



Title: Re: Hair Loss
Post by: Oly15 on May 02, 2012, 05:17:38 PM
adc is good to go...

i never opted to pay with a CC

TA time is just as good

Can get anything there...(not benzos or pks)



Know a place where I can? Lol. Adc does have some good stuff a little of everything. I never did a money order if its not too complicated ill give adc a shot.

Thanks


Title: Re: Hair Loss
Post by: CAPTAIN INSANO on May 02, 2012, 05:27:07 PM
Know a place where I can? Lol. Adc does have some good stuff a little of everything. I never did a money order if its not too complicated ill give adc a shot.

Thanks

np

i get my hcg,caber,prami,t3 (think theyre out now), nolvadex, clomid etc. Getting a M.O is easy...just go into a WU and ask for x amount money order ;)


Title: Re: Hair Loss
Post by: Oly15 on May 02, 2012, 09:55:36 PM
np

i get my hcg,caber,prami,t3 (think theyre out now), nolvadex, clomid etc. Getting a M.O is easy...just go into a WU and ask for x amount money order ;)

Ahh money order as in from wu. Yeah Im sure that would be easy. Thanks bro will do.


Title: Re: Hair Loss
Post by: irishdave on May 03, 2012, 01:35:17 AM
some steroid books say some steroids wont make you go bald early, even with proposition.

i dont believe that, i believe all steroids can cause permature hair loss, and i dont believe anything can stop it.

if its geneticaly meant to happen, it will happen anyway, steroids will fasten up the process.

the solutions are waiting it out and stay natural.

doing only gh, gh doesnt cause hair loss.

doing steroids and then do it like silvio berlusconi, aka getting hair implanted.

the single worst steroid to cause hair loss is test e, from what ive seen.

maybe on low doses of deca, one might get away with no early hairloss.

maybe a deca/gh stack is ok.

to be totally safe, be natural or only do gh.



Just to aware people, if you stack propecia/finasteride with Deca it actually accelerates hair loss.


Title: Re: Hair Loss
Post by: Oly15 on May 03, 2012, 11:53:19 AM
Irish, thats why its useless imo, its only good for test only cycles.


Title: Re: Hair Loss
Post by: lyquid on May 03, 2012, 08:02:21 PM
Srry havnt replies to anyone latly been busy and experimenting on myself for perfect hairloss cycle etc. 400 Dec a day 100 var day. I'll update soon.


Title: Re: Hair Loss
Post by: Primemuscle on May 03, 2012, 08:10:24 PM
Just to aware people, if you stack propecia/finasteride with Deca it actually accelerates hair loss.

Forgive me, but I am a bit confused. Finateride/propecia is supposed to counter male pattern baldness. Are you saying that if one add Deca, it has the reverse affect?


Title: Re: Hair Loss
Post by: Borracho on May 03, 2012, 08:16:04 PM
Srry havnt replies to anyone latly been busy and experimenting on myself for perfect hairloss cycle etc. 400 Dec a day 100 var day. I'll update soon.

Did you give up on the dbol?


Title: Re: Hair Loss
Post by: lyquid on May 03, 2012, 10:35:41 PM
Did you give up on the dbol?
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Yup had.to. even tried.SD one.more time since every sigle person on every forum in the world said SD did not n will not cause hairloss. One person after days of reading said.SD gave him hair loss. But well see how super high deca and var goes.

Alrdy feeling.the vars fat burning.effect n makes.you feel hard. Did u notice.this when u took it?


Title: Re: Hair Loss
Post by: irishdave on May 03, 2012, 11:48:27 PM
Forgive me, but I am a bit confused. Finateride/propecia is supposed to counter male pattern baldness. Are you saying that if one add Deca, it has the reverse affect?

All I remember is when I was doing my first cycle I was gonna stack deca with my test but then had second thoughts when I read about the deca and finasteride combination causing more hair loss.
There is a lot of info about it online...but now there are conflicting reports so I don't know what to believe. Here's one post I found. Personally, I use propecia and find it to help with hairloss but I still won't stack deca with it just in case.

"First off, let me preface this by saying that this is true, in certain contexts.
However, I'm an advocate of including testosterone in every cycle, so my explanation is with the assumption that one will be using nandrolone in addition to testosterone

For those that do not know, testosterone converts to DHT via the 5 alpha reductase enzyme. DHT is far more androgenic than testosterone and is the main contributor to MPB in those genetically predisposed.

finasteride is a 5 alpha reductase inhibitor, and therefore limits the conversion of testosterone to DHT via competitive inhibition.

Nandrolone itself is a 5 alpha reductase inhibitor (although it yields DHN in the process). So less DHT is produced if nandrolone is present. Also, DHN is much less androgenic than nandrolone and much less androgenic than DHT. So, finasteride with deca (nandrolone) should both work to reduce DHT levels, and since finasteride will inhibit 5a reductase, it'll also keep levels of DHN lower too.

The misconception that deca with finasteride is a bad combination stems from the the days when deca only cycles were more common If one were running a deca only cycle (or any deca cycle without test), then finasteride would be a poor choice, because DHN is less androgenic than nandrolone. However, since we're assuming test to be included in a deca cycle, and both test and DHT are far more androgenic than nandrolone, if your goal is preventing the formation of the most androgenic compounds, then both deca and finasteride work together to reduce DHT formation.

To sum things up, if you're running a test + deca cycle and are worried about MPB (and you're susceptible), then including finasteride is a far better option than NOT including it, although the nandrolone will help to reduce DHT formation on its own to some extent."


Title: Re: Hair Loss
Post by: Borracho on May 04, 2012, 06:23:14 AM

Yup had.to. even tried.SD one.more time since every sigle person on every forum in the world said SD did not n will not cause hairloss. One person after days of reading said.SD gave him hair loss. But well see how super high deca and var goes.

Alrdy feeling.the vars fat burning.effect n makes.you feel hard. Did u notice.this when u took it?

To be honest I didn't feel anything from the var but probably cause I only took 40mgs a day and it was from an ugl. My hair was fine at that dose but on an equal dose of dbol at times my scalp itches like crazy.

Let me know how it goes with the var and deca combo...good luck!


Title: Re: Hair Loss
Post by: breakmore on May 05, 2012, 07:57:45 AM
All I remember is when I was doing my first cycle I was gonna stack deca with my test but then had second thoughts when I read about the deca and finasteride combination causing more hair loss.
There is a lot of info about it online...but now there are conflicting reports so I don't know what to believe. Here's one post I found. Personally, I use propecia and find it to help with hairloss but I still won't stack deca with it just in case.

"First off, let me preface this by saying that this is true, in certain contexts.
However, I'm an advocate of including testosterone in every cycle, so my explanation is with the assumption that one will be using nandrolone in addition to testosterone

For those that do not know, testosterone converts to DHT via the 5 alpha reductase enzyme. DHT is far more androgenic than testosterone and is the main contributor to MPB in those genetically predisposed.

finasteride is a 5 alpha reductase inhibitor, and therefore limits the conversion of testosterone to DHT via competitive inhibition.

Nandrolone itself is a 5 alpha reductase inhibitor (although it yields DHN in the process). So less DHT is produced if nandrolone is present. Also, DHN is much less androgenic than nandrolone and much less androgenic than DHT. So, finasteride with deca (nandrolone) should both work to reduce DHT levels, and since finasteride will inhibit 5a reductase, it'll also keep levels of DHN lower too.

The misconception that deca with finasteride is a bad combination stems from the the days when deca only cycles were more common If one were running a deca only cycle (or any deca cycle without test), then finasteride would be a poor choice, because DHN is less androgenic than nandrolone. However, since we're assuming test to be included in a deca cycle, and both test and DHT are far more androgenic than nandrolone, if your goal is preventing the formation of the most androgenic compounds, then both deca and finasteride work together to reduce DHT formation.

To sum things up, if you're running a test + deca cycle and are worried about MPB (and you're susceptible), then including finasteride is a far better option than NOT including it, although the nandrolone will help to reduce DHT formation on its own to some extent."

Yes i found that post too when i was contemplating using finastride again with my npp test cyle. I still opted out of it, because i was scared that it will make it worse anyway.

My hair was doing fairly ok at these dosages: 300 prop 700 npp ew. since 3-4 weeks ago i switched to a higher test cycle (750mg sust, 700 npp) And my hairloss has gotten really bad, lots of hairloss, and lots of thining and receding hairline. Sucks pretty bad. :/

High testosterone level is worse then anything for my hair. Gains are a lot better though, lol.


Title: Re: Hair Loss
Post by: undead on May 05, 2012, 07:49:29 PM
i think if you use low dose test with high dose deca or NPP without finasteride you would be ok. thats what im goin to try this time around. ive been cruising for around 2 months now and im still shedding a lot but i think my hair has recovered from the tren a bit.

just in case some of you arent using emu oil or cocnut oil, ive been using them for 2 months and i looked at my hairline today and there are some very fine thin hairs that werent there before. i doubt they will last long because im gonna start blasting again soon but the emu/coconut oil definately seems to help regrowth if you arent on high doses of androgens.


Title: Re: Hair Loss
Post by: lyquid on May 05, 2012, 07:56:32 PM
i think if you use low dose test with high dose deca or NPP without finasteride you would be ok. thats what im goin to try this time around. ive been cruising for around 2 months now and im still shedding a lot but i think my hair has recovered from the tren a bit.

just in case some of you arent using emu oil or cocnut oil, ive been using them for 2 months and i looked at my hairline today and there are some very fine thin hairs that werent there before. i doubt they will last long because im gonna start blasting again soon but the emu/coconut oil definately seems to help regrowth if you arent on high doses of androgens.

And gotta rembber it takes a good six months to really see it.


Title: Re: Hair Loss
Post by: Oly15 on May 13, 2012, 01:54:36 AM
Hey guys been doing some research and found this:

http://immortalhair.forumandco.com/t754p15-sebum-and-dht-and-accutane

Put briefly, some guy said his doctor who used to work for Mercke came up with a theory that sebum production, and not DHT causes hair loss. According to the doc, DHT causes the sebaceous glands to produce excess sebum. Then bacteria begin to feed off of the sebum and proliferate, causing the immune system to produce inflammation which attacks not only the bacteria, but the hair follicles themselves.

He then tested his theory by putting one of his patients that started to have beginning signs of MPB on VERY low dose accutane, 10 mg per day. According to the doc, the patient regrew the lost hair and all hair looked fantastic.

He was fired from Mercke for pushing them for research on this.   :o

Now I would do this myself, but I am limited on funds right now so I cant buy the accutane. If any of you guys want to give this a go, it would be awesome to see if this theory is really true.

10 mg a day of accutane and no higher. I also did little searching on accutane related forums, and all the guys on LOW DOSE (<< this is the key) accutane reported improvements in their hair.


And just something that all this made me think of. If I sit down and really think about it, I can't think of a single person I knew who had bad acne, who also did not have receding hair lines or MPB.


Title: Re: Hair Loss
Post by: lyquid on May 13, 2012, 08:59:59 AM
Hey guys been doing some research and found this:

http://immortalhair.forumandco.com/t754p15-sebum-and-dht-and-accutane

Put briefly, some guy said his doctor who used to work for Mercke came up with a theory that sebum production, and not DHT causes hair loss. According to the doc, DHT causes the sebaceous glands to produce excess sebum. Then bacteria begin to feed off of the sebum and proliferate, causing the immune system to produce inflammation which attacks not only the bacteria, but the hair follicles themselves.

He then tested his theory by putting one of his patients that started to have beginning signs of MPB on VERY low dose accutane, 10 mg per day. According to the doc, the patient regrew the lost hair and all hair looked fantastic.

He was fired from Mercke for pushing them for research on this.   :o

Now I would do this myself, but I am limited on funds right now so I cant buy the accutane. If any of you guys want to give this a go, it would be awesome to see if this theory is really true.

10 mg a day of accutane and no higher. I also did little searching on accutane related forums, and all the guys on LOW DOSE (<< this is the key) accutane reported improvements in their hair.

Cc
And just something that all this made me think of. If I sit down and really think about it, I can't think of a single person I knew who had bad acne, who also did not have receding hair lines or MPB.

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No that guy makes no sense. Because. Accutune and hair loss Google it. Tons of users with no mpb get mpb hairloss from.accutane its a very common side effect beciase of drying out the seb gland. Also b 5 for acne Google that. It makes Ur slimy dry drying out acne and in return.... Hair loss is huge side effect Google that to.

Now Biotin. Used for hairloss for yrs. There r studies for yrs on its effect on gairloss even mpb hairloss. What does Biotin do.... Google Biotin n oily skin. Biotin makes ur seb glands over producde sebum u take that pills u feel Ur skin ozzing out sebum no lie. Yet regrows hair...

Also we use nizorql. Nizoral rids Ur scalp of sebum.

What is thought to be is u need sebum its our bodys natural oil... However like olive oil is good for u heated oil is bad its oxidize n causes cancer. What's beleived is oxide sebum harden sebum is bad. So we want to get rid of it.

Jojoba oil ruubbed into scalp n skin pulls the harden oil out without robbing Ur skins natural oils. Gogle onthat one how to do it. So much to think about.

But.I.highly suggest u don't use accutane or b5 tons of hairloss reports


Title: Re: Hair Loss
Post by: Oly15 on May 13, 2012, 12:41:24 PM
Speaking of jojobolo or whatever its called, have you ever tried Regenepure DR? The ingredients in there are amazing, its got nizoral, saw palnetto, emu, jojo, zinc, and other stuff. Im gunna pick me up a bottle next week and see how it goes.


Title: Re: Hair Loss
Post by: lyquid on May 13, 2012, 06:43:30 PM
Speaking of jojobolo or whatever its called, have you ever tried Regenepure DR? The ingredients in there are amazing, its got nizoral, saw palnetto, emu, jojo, zinc, and other stuff. Im gunna pick me up a bottle next week and see how it goes.

Nope sounds good with Emu it should make saw palmetto n stuff absorb. I'm waiting to get spiro powder n coat my fucking head in it. 150 for about a life.time supply. Can't br paying 35 for a small bottle. and thr studies on it they did pretty much coat the whole area. So i Rly want to see hoe that goes.


Title: Re: Hair Loss
Post by: Marlo Stanfield on May 14, 2012, 02:16:40 AM
how about those laser therapy combs, are they a scam?


Title: Re: Hair Loss
Post by: Oly15 on May 14, 2012, 08:43:46 AM
I'd venture to say yes Marlo. I've seen so many posts about laser anything and everything about it is a scam.


Title: Re: Hair Loss
Post by: Oly15 on May 14, 2012, 08:55:20 AM
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No that guy makes no sense. Because. Accutune and hair loss Google it. Tons of users with no mpb get mpb hairloss from.accutane its a very common side effect beciase of drying out the seb gland. Also b 5 for acne Google that. It makes Ur slimy dry drying out acne and in return.... Hair loss is huge side effect Google that to.

Now Biotin. Used for hairloss for yrs. There r studies for yrs on its effect on gairloss even mpb hairloss. What does Biotin do.... Google Biotin n oily skin. Biotin makes ur seb glands over producde sebum u take that pills u feel Ur skin ozzing out sebum no lie. Yet regrows hair...

Also we use nizorql. Nizoral rids Ur scalp of sebum.

What is thought to be is u need sebum its our bodys natural oil... However like olive oil is good for u heated oil is bad its oxidize n causes cancer. What's beleived is oxide sebum harden sebum is bad. So we want to get rid of it.

Jojoba oil ruubbed into scalp n skin pulls the harden oil out without robbing Ur skins natural oils. Gogle onthat one how to do it. So much to think about.

But.I.highly suggest u don't use accutane or b5 tons of hairloss reports

What exactly did you mean by the bolded part? Were you saying that B5 (pantothenic acid) CAUSES hair loss or helps to PREVENT it?


Title: Re: Hair Loss
Post by: Primemuscle on May 14, 2012, 11:06:11 AM
how about those laser therapy combs, are they a scam?

Call me crazy, but it seems to me if there were a bona fide and legitimate remedy for male pattern baldness or hair loss in general, it would be huge. Surely, all the major drug companies are spending much time and effort on creating such a product. Whoever develops it will make a fortune. So far, drugs such as Rogaine and Finasteride have shown limited successful results. Personally, I suspect the "cure" will be in the form of genetic manipulation of some type.


Title: Re: Hair Loss
Post by: undead on May 14, 2012, 08:01:58 PM
Call me crazy, but it seems to me if there were a bona fide and legitimate remedy for male pattern baldness or hair loss in general, it would be huge. Surely, all the major drug companies are spending much time and effort on creating such a product. Whoever develops it will make a fortune. So far, drugs such as Rogaine and Finasteride have shown limited successful results. Personally, I suspect the "cure" will be in the form of genetic manipulation of some type.


if you guys google replicel you will see that they have gotten some very promising results from their research.

basicaly they pull out these cells from the back of you head called dermal sheath cup cells. they then proliferate them in a petri dish and deposit them under you skin in the scalp.

they just completed one clinical trial and are due to start the next this year. however it will probably be a few years until it gets made public.


Title: Re: Hair Loss
Post by: lyquid on May 14, 2012, 08:38:12 PM
What exactly did you mean by the bolded part? Were you saying that B5 (pantothenic acid) CAUSES hair loss or helps to PREVENT it?

Sorry my phone is fucked the auto correct. Google b5 and hairloss its a huge huge aide effect from it. Causing hairloss. All the people using b5 for acne reporting hair loss tons of users for long time now.


Title: Re: Hair Loss
Post by: Oly15 on May 15, 2012, 04:43:04 AM
Thanks for posting the stuff about biotin lyquid. If you wouldnt have posted that I would probably never have known what caused this.

Starting about 5-6 days ago, I started taking Biotin 1000 mcg before bed everyday. The last 4 days my face, forehead, and scalp has EXPLODED in oilyness and I guess this caused an increased immune reaction because my skin has started to flake on my forehead and majorly on my scalp coupled with extreme redness. I think the inflammation has caused some excess hair loss because on kind of the side of my head, the hairs are much more brittle and wiry than they ever were.

I will be discontinuing biotin today and hope it goes back to normal, I'm pretty sure it will. I will let you know how things are in a few days.


Title: Re: Hair Loss
Post by: Borracho on May 15, 2012, 11:50:23 AM
Would splitting open a saw palmetto gel capsule and spreading it on the scalp have any benefits?


Title: Re: Hair Loss
Post by: Primemuscle on May 15, 2012, 01:02:33 PM

if you guys google replicel you will see that they have gotten some very promising results from their research.

basicaly they pull out these cells from the back of you head called dermal sheath cup cells. they then proliferate them in a petri dish and deposit them under you skin in the scalp.

they just completed one clinical trial and are due to start the next this year. however it will probably be a few years until it gets made public.

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Title: Re: Hair Loss
Post by: undead on May 18, 2012, 05:53:53 AM
well this sucks. ive been on NPP and EQ for about a week now and im shedding like crazy. no idea why. its as bad as when i was on tren.

im using 800mg EQ and 700mg NPP, 250mg test.

im also using coconut oil+emu oil at night followed by nizoral 2%. also using minoxidil 2x per day. anybody know what the fuck is going on?


Title: Re: Hair Loss
Post by: Borracho on May 18, 2012, 10:13:43 AM
well this sucks. ive been on NPP and EQ for about a week now and im shedding like crazy. no idea why. its as bad as when i was on tren.

im using 800mg EQ and 700mg NPP, 250mg test.

im also using coconut oil+emu oil at night followed by nizoral 2%. also using minoxidil 2x per day. anybody know what the fuck is going on?

That sucks dude...I know its VERY frustrating. Lyquid is the expert with this stuff and he's mentioned telogen efflosomething or other which will cause you to shed from all over your head not only the pattern balding areas. Is it coming out from the sides and the back as well ?? also, are there little white bulbs attached to the hair that's coming out??





Title: Re: Hair Loss
Post by: undead on May 18, 2012, 11:04:43 AM
yea theres white bulbs but its not from the sides and back. ive got diffuse patterened alopecia so im shedding from everywhere that can be prone to MPB.


Title: Re: Hair Loss
Post by: aesthetics on May 18, 2012, 12:55:19 PM
well this sucks. ive been on NPP and EQ for about a week now and im shedding like crazy. no idea why. its as bad as when i was on tren.

im using 800mg EQ and 700mg NPP, 250mg test.

im also using coconut oil+emu oil at night followed by nizoral 2%. also using minoxidil 2x per day. anybody know what the fuck is going on?

that's a high dosage, i'm not surprised.


Title: Re: Hair Loss
Post by: Oly15 on May 18, 2012, 02:06:31 PM
Make sure ur takin a zinc supplement 50 mg per day and b complex. And I dont think it would be the npp. I know its a decent dose but ive run a dose very close to that of deca along with 600 mg EQ and had no shedding. Does every hair (or most) that is falling out have kerratin attached to it? If so you are probably going through a hair cycle (TE). Maybe something induced it. NPP is supposed to be very gentle on the hair providing ur not takin finasteride.

When I was on high dose deca and eq and low dose test I had (and still have) nice thick hair and only about 5 hairs come out per shower.


Title: Re: Hair Loss
Post by: bighead on May 18, 2012, 04:55:47 PM
well this sucks. ive been on NPP and EQ for about a week now and im shedding like crazy. no idea why. its as bad as when i was on tren.

im using 800mg EQ and 700mg NPP, 250mg test.

im also using coconut oil+emu oil at night followed by nizoral 2%. also using minoxidil 2x per day. anybody know what the fuck is going on?
I dont even know what npp is but it looks like you may be going overkill with the topicals. i would drop the minoxidal stick with leaving the nizoral on all night alternate nights with emu. the minoxidal and the nizoral is cooking thye fuck out of your scalp. nothing would grow in that dessert.


Title: Re: Hair Loss
Post by: ritch on May 27, 2012, 07:25:38 PM
Anyone use that shampoo by "need to build muscle"? Just looking for non biased info...


Title: Re: Hair Loss
Post by: Oly15 on May 30, 2012, 02:02:18 AM
Ritch:

I tried finding the product u r talking about but couldnt. If u would post a link I could try it out and let u know.


Title: Re: Hair Loss
Post by: darts on May 30, 2012, 03:25:27 AM
Ritch:

I tried finding the product u r talking about but couldnt. If u would post a link I could try it out and let u know.

http://needtobuildmuscle.com/store/N2-Shampoo-7oz-Mocha-scented-p85.html this one I think he's talkin about.


is it true that you're baldness comes from your grandpa on your moms side or is that a wives-tale?


Title: Re: Hair Loss
Post by: njflex on May 30, 2012, 07:18:49 AM
http://needtobuildmuscle.com/store/N2-Shampoo-7oz-Mocha-scented-p85.html this one I think he's talkin about.


is it true that you're baldness comes from your grandpa on your moms side or is that a wives-tale?
could be little of both ,u might see 3 brothers 1 bald the other 2 good hair go figure,,,,


Title: Re: Hair Loss
Post by: Overload on May 30, 2012, 07:27:36 AM
is it true that you're baldness comes from your grandpa on your moms side or is that a wives-tale?

I've heard this a lot, but not sure it's true.

My brother is 4 years older and about 60% bald, he's never touched AAS in his life.  I have a slight recending hairline, but otherwise a full head of thick hair and I've been using a ton of AAS for over 10 years off and on.


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Title: Re: Hair Loss
Post by: Oly15 on May 30, 2012, 07:50:13 AM
http://needtobuildmuscle.com/store/N2-Shampoo-7oz-Mocha-scented-p85.html this one I think he's talkin about.


is it true that you're baldness comes from your grandpa on your moms side or is that a wives-tale?

It used to be strongly believed that mpb was inherited from the mothers side but now scientists are saying it is not chromosome dependent and mpb can come from either side of the family. I personally tend to believe if you have a parent whose family has very strong hair genetics, like my mothers family for example (all her brothers and father have a full head of hair), it helps negate the hair genes from the other parent. On my fathers side however, all his uncles and brothers went bald early and so did he. But my mothers side has perfect hair genetics. The fact that I still have all my hair says I probably have more of my mothers genes than my fathers.


Title: Re: Hair Loss
Post by: flinstones1 on May 30, 2012, 04:22:37 PM
keeping your hair healthy is so important for women. If your hair is thinning she will get the signal that your semen is thinning as well.


Title: Re: Hair Loss
Post by: ritch on May 30, 2012, 04:25:10 PM
Ritch:

I tried finding the product u r talking about but couldnt. If u would post a link I could try it out and let u know.

Dart posted the correct link, thanks!


Title: Re: Hair Loss
Post by: Oly15 on May 30, 2012, 05:08:02 PM
I was just thinking about the mechanisms of action that causes hair loss, and obviously DHT is the culprit, we all know this. But if DHT is the culprit, why do people experience hair loss from things like Tren? A 19 nor like deca, just more androgenic...?

I have been thinking of doing an experiment when my next cycle starts. I'll run test e at 125 mg per week, and tren at around 400 mg. This is my first time using tren and my prediction is I shouldn't experience much if any hair loss because the test dose is low enough to not have very much convert to DHT, yet high enough to shut down endo production. If I lose significant amounts of hair then DHT is not the sole cause of hair loss.


Title: Re: Hair Loss
Post by: Oly15 on May 30, 2012, 10:27:42 PM
http://www.worldofhair.com/geo/africa.htm

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Do omega-3 helps in hair growth? Actually, there is no study conducted on omega-3’s beneficial effects for hair growth. But since one needs to be healthy in order to have that amazing healthy hair growth, it can be said that omega-3 helps in hair growth.
Omega-3 is needed or at least a great factor in hair growth since our hair is a hardened protein. Being that, it needs enough supplements of vitamins and other nutrients for a healthier and more beautiful hair growth. Many hair specialists also recommend taking of vitamin-rich food while treating hair to grow faster than the average. Though no certain study proved the efficacy of omega-3 in hair growth, being a good vitamin makes it a necessary nutrient for a better hair.
There is, however, one scientific study in Japan conducted to learn about the effects of fatty acids in fish oil to hair loss. The study concluded that having rich fatty acid intake can help prevent hair loss. Thus, having sufficient fatty acid can help a lot in hair growth. One of the best sources of fatty acid is the omega-3 found in emu oil shampoo.
Moreover, omega-3 has certain nutrients that are found to be helpful in hair growth. These are the alpha linolic acid, the docosahexaenioc acid, and the ecoesapentoionc acid. With these contents, omega-3 can also be considered as a helpful nutrient in hair growth.
There are also some hair specialists that recommend the inclusion of omega-3 in a diet if one is experiencing hair loss. They say that omega-3 is helpful in preventing more hair loss.
Although there is still a debate whether omega-3 helps in hair growth with vitamins, it is still considered by many nutritionists as an essential part for healthy living. Though no certain study was done in the relation of omega-3 and hair growth, there are still studies about this nutrient relating to heart and brain. Omega-3 is a proven element helpful for a healthier heart and brain. It even improves intelligence quotient. So, even if omega-3 does not directly improve hair growth, it can still be helpful to anyone.
If you are interested on omega-3 and its good effects to hair, heart, and brain, better take foods with rich omega-3. Eat more salmon, sardines, halibut, albacore, herring, trout, walnut, canola oil, and flaxseed oil. Omega-3 is also found in shrimps, light chunk tuna, clams, cod, spinach, and catfish.


Title: Re: Hair Loss
Post by: Oly15 on May 30, 2012, 10:34:28 PM
Anyone use that shampoo by "need to build muscle"? Just looking for non biased info...

I had a look at it and although the ingredients are awesome for wanting a healthy scalp and hair, as far as hair loss prevention and regrowth it won't do anything noticeable since there is no ketoconazole. DHT has to be addressed and ketoconazole is the only ingredient proven to topically inhibit dht.

So youd be much better off trying out regenepure dr. it has ketoconazole (albeit only 1%) and other awesome stuff like jojoba, emu oil, aloe vera, saw palmetto, b vitamins, zinc, etc. I'm going to order it tomorrow as I finally have some extra cash.

Ill start on a protocol and let u guys know how things go.


Title: Re: Hair Loss
Post by: ritch on May 30, 2012, 10:45:04 PM
I had a look at it and although the ingredients are awesome for wanting a healthy scalp and hair, as far as hair loss prevention and regrowth it won't do anything noticeable since there is no ketoconazole. DHT has to be addressed and ketoconazole is the only ingredient proven to topically inhibit dht.

So youd be much better off trying out regenepure dr. it has ketoconazole (albeit only 1%) and other awesome stuff like jojoba, emu oil, aloe vera, saw palmetto, b vitamins, zinc, etc. I'm going to order it tomorrow as I finally have some extra cash.

Ill start on a protocol and let u guys know how things go.

Cool, keep us posted. I have pharma finaseride and use nizoral ed. Not losing any more so I'm happy.


Title: Re: Hair Loss
Post by: lyquid on May 31, 2012, 07:46:43 PM
I was just thinking about the mechanisms of action that causes hair loss, and obviously DHT is the culprit, we all know this. But if DHT is the culprit, why do people experience hair loss from things like Tren? A 19 nor like deca, just more androgenic...?

I have been thinking of doing an experiment when my next cycle starts. I'll run test e at 125 mg per week, and tren at around 400 mg. This is my first time using tren and my prediction is I shouldn't experience much if any hair loss because the test dose is low enough to not have very much convert to DHT, yet high enough to shut down endo production. If I lose significant amounts of hair then DHT is not the sole cause of hair loss.
All androgens can cause hair loss to. That's why tren and winny wreck havoc gotta keep that in mind. It's just so confusing


Title: Re: Hair Loss
Post by: deadz on May 31, 2012, 08:05:47 PM
I was using Nizoral for several months. I stopped using it because they don't sell it any longer in stores. It's been several months since I stopped using it and I have not noticed any difference. I was just using it as a preventative not because I am balding. I also take propecia, 1mg every third day, also as a preventative measure. If I stop I don't think it would make a difference, not sure. But for now ill continue to use it.


Title: Re: Hair Loss
Post by: Xfactormuscle on June 12, 2012, 03:55:56 PM
Surely someone has made this comment but just in case nobody: get proscar 5mg (health insurance will pay it) and use 1/5th every day. same as propecia.

ALso consider hair transplants. They have amazing results these days and are not as expensive any more.


Title: Re: Hair Loss
Post by: Oly15 on June 12, 2012, 09:21:57 PM
Is a hair transplant where they take follicle from other parts of the head not affected by mpb and put them where you lost the hair? Woukdnt this take forever since you have 100s of thousands of follicles and would they be immune to dht?


Title: Re: Hair Loss
Post by: Xfactormuscle on June 13, 2012, 04:49:48 AM
yes they take it from the back of the head

the hair there is immune from DHT related hair loss

the results are very good these days. some doctors do up to 3000 grafts in one session.

here is a good website (dr unger is a very well known surgeon in this area but very expensive. His website is very informative):

http://www.drwalterunger.com

I had mine done in Europe. The results are not perfect but certainly better than any other method I know of. I am extremely happy with mine and consider it one of the best investments I ever made.

You should do some research on the internet. There are forums like this specificlally for hair loss (alopecia).


Title: Re: Hair Loss
Post by: Borracho on June 13, 2012, 05:06:10 AM
^

I heard they can take hair from anywhere in the body and it will change characteristics once placed in the scalp. So even short coarse hair(pubes lol) will resemble the hair on your head eventually.

And why is it that most of the pics from transplants I see are never from guys who just have slight thinning....always dudes who are already bald. I would never want it to get that bad.


Title: Re: Hair Loss
Post by: Borracho on June 13, 2012, 05:07:39 AM
Can we just pin this thread at the top already  :D


Title: Re: Hair Loss
Post by: Xfactormuscle on June 13, 2012, 07:56:05 AM
its commonly taken form the back of the scalp. You need to have a very dense area of hair to harvest from. The common method transplants skin grafts, not single follicles. the procedure is well explained in the link I posted: Basically a strip of skin is cut out (about 15 cm long and 1.5 cm wide; the skin is then cut into pieces with hair follicles (2-5) on it and those are implanted on the balding areas. Can be repeated several times if needed.
 I had it done 4x over a 10 year period. Nowadays, they do up to 3,000 grafts per session, that can be (in theory) up to 15,000 individual follicles. A lot. It will never be as thick as your hair was when you are 16 or so, but the results are pretty amazing these days.

Some pics should show the application in only slightly balding men. Those may need only one session.

I liked my results. Not even the barber can tell. I still take finasteride (proscar/propecia) on advise of my hair doctor.

The only bad thing about the procedure: No gym for 2 weeks. Drove me crazy. And, of course, it is not cheap (in the US, it starts at 6,000$).



Title: Re: Hair Loss
Post by: Xfactormuscle on June 13, 2012, 08:07:11 AM
Btw: steroids only increase hair loss in men who have already a genetic propensity for it. If you have none, they wont hurt you.

Best you can do is to take some proscar (1/5 of a pill) per day when you are on supplements (and ongoing).


Title: Re: Hair Loss
Post by: Overload on June 13, 2012, 10:05:25 AM
Can we just pin this thread at the top already  :D

Sure thing.

Tons of great info in here.

Good work guys.

8)


Title: Re: AAS & Hair Loss
Post by: Borracho on June 13, 2012, 02:14:00 PM
I'm sure a lot of members will find this thread useful.

Thanks Overload!



Title: Re: Hair Loss
Post by: lyquid on June 13, 2012, 07:31:30 PM
Btw: steroids only increase hair loss in men who have already a genetic propensity for it. If you have none, they wont hurt you.

Best you can do is to take some proscar (1/5 of a pill) per day when you are on supplements (and ongoing).

I don't think it is a plain as this as its been stated. Many many bodybuilders didn't go bald till fourtys with twenty yrs of juice. Look at criag titus one example. Even me my story. Used lots of test dbol methyl tren. Stuff for yrs. Than one day out of no where i use tren ace 50 mg eod for one week and a ahalf. and shed so bad I stopped n shed for a month after. My hair had reversed a good to inchs at temples by than and sever thinning. After about a yr most thickness grew back but the temples. Than everything even test and dbol that was so fine to use before now caused balding.

Makes me wonder how some bbers keep hair for yrs than go bald later.Ian Harrison another example. Just doesn't mske sense. I think it Rly is certain compounds can trigger it as well in people who are bot prone naturaluy. Maybe these weird modify dht drugs can trigger a wholr new baldness. who knows. But its definstly odd.


Title: Re: AAS & Hair Loss
Post by: Borracho on June 19, 2012, 06:59:47 AM
I've been drinking cayenne and also putting it on my scalp for like a half hour or so. Its supposed to improve circulation and when used on your head you feel it burning for a little while lol. Will report in a few weeks with my thoughts on this.


Title: Re: AAS & Hair Loss
Post by: Primemuscle on June 19, 2012, 11:42:46 AM
I've been drinking cayenne and also putting it on my scalp for like a half hour or so. Its supposed to improve circulation and when used on your head you feel it burning for a little while lol. Will report in a few weeks with my thoughts on this.

Good luck with cayenne. When I first started going bald many long years ago, I tried it and it did not work for me....I still went bald.


Title: Re: AAS & Hair Loss
Post by: Oly15 on June 19, 2012, 12:33:04 PM
In some things it takes the right combination of certain things to create a synergistic effect. Maybe cayenne was doing its job prime, but you needed something else, like ketoconazole to stop hair from falling out in the first place.


Title: Re: AAS & Hair Loss
Post by: Oly15 on June 19, 2012, 04:34:11 PM
http://www.hairlosshelp.com/forums/messageview.cfm?catid=10&threadid=96765&STARTPAGE=1&FTVAR_FORUMVIEWTMP=Linear

Basically is a thread about how well emu oil plus castor oil is supposed to work. Something about the castor oil where it can exert a similar effect to pge2 stimulating hair GROWTH. Look on the last page for more info on that.

Im def gunna order some emu oil, and prolly castor oil to and use them both but im hoping the castor oil isnt too greasy.


Title: Re: AAS & Hair Loss
Post by: Borracho on June 19, 2012, 06:59:40 PM
http://www.hairlosshelp.com/forums/messageview.cfm?catid=10&threadid=96765&STARTPAGE=1&FTVAR_FORUMVIEWTMP=Linear

Basically is a thread about how well emu oil plus castor oil is supposed to work. Something about the castor oil where it can exert a similar effect to pge2 stimulating hair loss. Look on the last page for more info on that.

Im def gunna order some emu oil, and prolly castor oil to and use them both but im hoping the castor oil isnt too greasy.

I've seen a lot of women on youtube saying castor oil helped with their hair loss. The stuff is an anti fungal sort of a natural ketono...whatever is in the nizoral. The stuff is super thick...it sticks pretty good on to the hair but easily able to wash out with a good shampoo.

Seems like a key ingredient in all this hair loss stuff is the emu oil in order to help penetrate the scalp with whatever it is you're using. Gotta get me some of that!


Title: Re: AAS & Hair Loss
Post by: Oly15 on June 19, 2012, 07:07:31 PM
Does anyone have only one temple area that is thinning? My left side it started to recede and thin, not too bad just half an inch or so. Weird thing is tho my right temple hair is all there, no receding, no thinning, and it sits pretty much on my forehead thats how dense it is. Yet my left side is receding/thinning?

Rest of head is full of hair, top, sides, back, crown, everything but my left temple area? Anyone have this or something weird like this?


Title: Re: AAS & Hair Loss
Post by: Oly15 on June 19, 2012, 07:10:54 PM
I've seen a lot of women on youtube saying castor oil helped with their hair loss. The stuff is an anti fungal sort of a natural ketono...whatever is in the nizoral. The stuff is super thick...it sticks pretty good on to the hair but easily able to wash out with a good shampoo.

Seems like a key ingredient in all this hair loss stuff is the emu oil in order to help penetrate the scalp with whatever it is you're using. Gotta get me some of that!

Oh yeah I'm so excited about trying the emu. I just havent researched which is the best brand yet. If u look at my post before this im gunna apply the emu oil only on my left temple and see if there is regrowth.


Title: Re: AAS & Hair Loss
Post by: Borracho on June 19, 2012, 07:12:51 PM
Does anyone have only one temple area that is thinning? My left side it started to recede and thin, not too bad just half an inch or so. Weird thing is tho my right temple hair is all there, no receding, no thinning, and it sits pretty much on my forehead thats how dense it is. Yet my left side is receding/thinning?

Rest of head is full of hair, top, sides, back, crown, everything but my left temple area? Anyone have this or something weird like this?

Wait...my right or your right??

lol.. but yeah I'm the same with having one side receding slightly. There's still a few hairs on that side and now a few blond hairs appear to be growing there too. But I have noticed some thinning overall cause my hair was super thick when I was in my teens...luckily its not that bad yet. *knocks on wood*


Title: Re: AAS & Hair Loss
Post by: Borracho on June 19, 2012, 07:17:39 PM
Oh yeah I'm so excited about trying the emu. I just havent researched which is the best brand yet. If u look at my post before this im gunna apply the emu oil only on my left temple and see if there is regrowth.

Lyquid said he was getting good results with emu/spironolactone.

Whatever you choose to mix with the emu it'll make it much more effective. Good luck and let us know how it works out for ya.


Title: Re: AAS & Hair Loss
Post by: Oly15 on June 19, 2012, 07:41:10 PM
Cliffs:

- have been on 350 mg tren and 210 mg test c for about two and a half weeks
- started using regenepure the day I started cycle above
- have noticed no increase in shedding, hairline has not been touched
- scalp and hair look and feel so much healthier
- I recommend it, but it has to be used everyday. No exceptions.

Btw, to all who were considering trying Regenepure DR, its been going real good. I've been using it e veryday for the past 2 weeks along with tren and test for the past two weeks and I've noticed no shedding, and my hair and scalp is definitely smoother and more health looking.

Ive been using ketoconazole long enough to know that if used regularly, it pretty much stops all hair shedding. As far as growth of regions that have lost hair, like the temple region for example, or anywhere on the head for that matter, ketoconazole doesnt seem to stimulate much REGROWTH. What I mean by this is that all the hair you currently have on your head, ketoconazole will protect it from falling out. But the hairs that have fallen out already, like the temple area for example, it will definitely bring back SOME HAIR, but total regrowth I have not experienced with.my use of keto.

Ketoconazole is still a must. I look at keto as a preventative of further loss and a weak stimulator of new growth.

Im still on the hunt for something, or the.combination of things that will REGROW lost hair completely, THEN you protect the new growth with keto and other things like the ingredients in regenepure dr.



Title: Re: AAS & Hair Loss
Post by: Oly15 on June 19, 2012, 07:55:05 PM
Lyquid said he was getting good results with emu/spironolactone.

Whatever you choose to mix with the emu it'll make it much more effective. Good luck and let us know how it works out for ya.

Im making the order tomorrow morning, will be ordering keto shampoo 2%, keto cream 2%, emu oil, and castor oil.

My pln is to shower and mix a little 2% keto with regenepure dr, because the ketoconzole in regenpure is only 1%. So by mixing the two, I get 2% keto with all the awesome ingredients that are in regenepure. Ill leave on for at least 5 minutes. Then before I go to.sleep ill mix some emu oil with ketoconazole, azelaic acid 20%, and castor.oil and.apply only to my left temple rwgion wherw im.missing some hair. I am very excited about this and will let u know how this goes.

Ill also be supplementing with: omega 3 fatty acids, zinc, b complex, milk thistle, hawthorne berry, and a few other misc things.


Title: Re: AAS & Hair Loss
Post by: Borracho on June 24, 2012, 04:06:23 AM
I've been drinking cayenne and also putting it on my scalp for like a half hour or so. Its supposed to improve circulation and when used on your head you feel it burning for a little while lol. Will report in a few weeks with my thoughts on this.

I think I can go ahead and say that this is definitely helping not only me but my mother who is the one who told me about cayenne long time ago. I had noticed a decrease in shed when I posted this but I didn't wanna speak too soon. But seeing as how my mom started putting it on her head (not drinking it btw) at the same time and told me that she is seeing less hair in her brush and after she showers I can go ahead and recommend this.

When I took dbol in the past even in low doses I noticed an increase in shedding, freaked out, and stopped taking it. Now after a couple weeks on both the dbol with the cayenne the hair is actually staying on my head and this is what I do....

I grab a small bowl and put maybe about a teaspoon of cayenne pepper and add a little bit of water to make a paste. Usually I add enough water so that its runny.....not thick. Now, you guys can make a mix with olive oil, coconut oil, apple cider vinegar(find it smells though), vodka. But to be honest I think I already put enough oil on my head and other crap so with water I just leave it on for about 30 minutes and it gets the job done.

Now, just dab it lightly on your head cause for me if I rub it in I find it actually causes traction alopecia. Careful not to get the stuff in your eyes either cause it'll burn like a bitch obviously.  

I don't think it's necessary to take it internally but I do just to make sure I get all the benefits. I can't recommend it cause who knows...we all react differently to every substance but if you do decide to drink the stuff make sure you start with the lowest dosage and work your way up. I'm up to about two teaspoons a day right now...one in the am and one in the pm. One time I drank too much and almost puked instantly so be careful.

EDIT: I usually leave the stuff on until it stops burning/tingling and I noticed this morning that it may be longer than 30 minutes. I figure once that sensation stops I can go ahead and wash my hair out.


Title: Re: AAS & Hair Loss
Post by: stb1041 on June 27, 2012, 06:44:47 PM
awesome thread!


Title: Re: AAS & Hair Loss
Post by: ritch on June 27, 2012, 07:37:30 PM
Long story short... The stuff after being on it for over 4 months, turned me into a complete zombie. I had zero emotions, motivation or sex drive. One week after being off it and damn near losing my gf due to me being a complete shit during that 4 week period... I finally feel like myself. What a shit ride that was, complete nightmare, my tyrosine was not giving me a dopamine boost and stuff like ephedrine hardly got my engines going.

And it's probably not the last time you will here of someone suffering sides like that and would suggest to those who are looking into keeping their hair to try dutasteride which i will be getting soon. Just sucks that it costs so much more...

So that's my experience with finasteride, hope if you try this, you don't have to suffer this shit.


Title: Re: AAS & Hair Loss
Post by: Oly15 on June 28, 2012, 01:00:32 PM
Dutasteride will be even worse. Its much stronger than fina. Stay away from all that shit..

Im getting continued awesome results with regenepure alone. Havent gotten around to ordering emu yet..


Title: Re: AAS & Hair Loss
Post by: ritch on June 28, 2012, 10:22:16 PM
Dutasteride will be even worse. Its much stronger than fina. Stay away from all that shit..

Im getting continued awesome results with regenepure alone. Havent gotten around to ordering emu yet..

Good to know and assure what I've been reading. Guess I'll shave it off if I get like Dan Hill or something....


Title: Re: AAS & Hair Loss
Post by: Xfactormuscle on July 02, 2012, 08:00:47 AM
what stuff are you talking about ritch


Title: Re: AAS & Hair Loss
Post by: ritch on July 02, 2012, 09:11:23 AM
what stuff are you talking about ritch

finasteride


Title: Re: AAS & Hair Loss
Post by: Borracho on July 17, 2012, 05:31:27 AM
So is emu oil available at most health food stores?




Title: Re: AAS & Hair Loss
Post by: kevcat on October 02, 2012, 06:17:44 AM
yeh different compounds must do different shit to different people lol Ive always had a full head of hair, really thick, infact when i tried to grow it long a few years back the hairdresser actually had to thin the shit out of it cos it was real bushy lol So ive done cycles for about 10 years on and off ( never more than 12 weekers ) including test e, test c, deca, dbol, anavar, and EQ in mixed combos.
Anyway all was good until my last cycle where i decided to try EQ for the first time and bam im suddenly seeing through the front of my hair and its definetly going thinner. Now as anything, this could be a coincidence with age or anything else, none of us really know. Personally i think its the juice but like a few people said before, its strange how you can be fine for years then all of a sudden a new cycle and it thins like fuck.
Dont get me wrong i can hide it and no one else is likely to notice if i style it correctly but its enough to make me say no more cycles after this. If you value having hair then its probably not worth the risk.

On a side not as again i have read here about family and genetics, well my only brother has never touched a weight in his life or any steroids and was thin as hell by 21, and now has very little at the front and a growing bald patch at the back in his 30s. Im not 30 yet but only now have i seen a thinning, so no one will ever really know how this all works, unfortunately lol...


Title: Re: AAS & Hair Loss
Post by: Primemuscle on October 03, 2012, 01:33:17 PM
yeh different compounds must do different shit to different people lol Ive always had a full head of hair, really thick, infact when i tried to grow it long a few years back the hairdresser actually had to thin the shit out of it cos it was real bushy lol So ive done cycles for about 10 years on and off ( never more than 12 weekers ) including test e, test c, deca, dbol, anavar, and EQ in mixed combos.
Anyway all was good until my last cycle where i decided to try EQ for the first time and bam im suddenly seeing through the front of my hair and its definetly going thinner. Now as anything, this could be a coincidence with age or anything else, none of us really know. Personally i think its the juice but like a few people said before, its strange how you can be fine for years then all of a sudden a new cycle and it thins like fuck.
Dont get me wrong i can hide it and no one else is likely to notice if i style it correctly but its enough to make me say no more cycles after this. If you value having hair then its probably not worth the risk.

On a side not as again i have read here about family and genetics, well my only brother has never touched a weight in his life or any steroids and was thin as hell by 21, and now has very little at the front and a growing bald patch at the back in his 30s. Im not 30 yet but only now have i seen a thinning, so no one will ever really know how this all works, unfortunately lol...

People with a thick head of hair, like you (had), are still subject to the genetic condition know as male patterned baldness.


Title: Re: AAS & Hair Loss
Post by: kevcat on October 03, 2012, 02:05:27 PM
People with a thick head of hair, like you (had), are still subject to the genetic condition know as male patterned baldness.

Of course, but generally you can tell from early 20s or before the type of guys who are going to thin right out soon :)


Title: Re: AAS & Hair Loss
Post by: Borracho on October 03, 2012, 04:30:49 PM
so what's your plan kevcat??

If mine starts getting bad I'll just go clean and hop on finasteride, minox, spiro, azalaic acid....whatever it takes. Just can't sit back and let it fall off...way to vain to let that happen. wrt gear I've come to the realization that I can't go to high on dosages regardless of the compound.


Title: Re: AAS & Hair Loss
Post by: kevcat on October 04, 2012, 05:30:21 AM
so what's your plan kevcat??

If mine starts getting bad I'll just go clean and hop on finasteride, minox, spiro, azalaic acid....whatever it takes. Just can't sit back and let it fall off...way to vain to let that happen. wrt gear I've come to the realization that I can't go to high on dosages regardless of the compound.

Yeh i kind of treasure the old hair it has to be said haha Looks like im off it for life now, i always said with my first ever cycle is the sides are bad etc i will just call it quits. Im quite muscular and strong right now anyway, it was just a cas of always wanting more, so im pretty kool with the decision to stay off now.Ive only ever done on average a cycle every 2 years, its not like i was on for months and will struggle to come off. I look good without roids, just not as good obviously. My hairs actually looking fine at the moment, i dunno if it was a temporary thing with the cycle, i guess ill find out in the coming months. Also the fact i have really thick hair means no one else can notice, as i have asked people in my paranoid state lol


Title: Re: AAS & Hair Loss
Post by: Archer77 on October 04, 2012, 11:15:03 AM
Of course, but generally you can tell from early 20s or before the type of guys who are going to thin right out soon :)

I only started to notice any visible thinning in the last couple of years.  Looked at pictures and there is no indication I was thinning.  People are programmed to thin at different times.  Some thin in their late teens others in their sixties.


Title: Re: AAS & Hair Loss
Post by: Christo on October 06, 2012, 06:17:44 AM
Hi all,

I am a 40 year old guy who is training for 20 years naturally. Now i want to use 1-2 times steroids but the problem is as follows:

I am prone to baldness, 10 years ago i got a surgery hairtransplant.
I know that when you are prone to baldness, steroids is a bad idea, but i want to give it a try with roids which are the safest for my hairline.

I was doubing about anavar, because anavar has a very low androgenic value. But because anavar is a derivate of dht i am afraight of it.
Now i am planning Testosteron Ent 250 mg/ week combined with finasteride.(1 mg/day)

Do you guys think this is the best solution for me to minimalize the chance that my (transplanted) hair will fall out?? :'(

Thanks for all your responses in advance and sorry for maybe my bad englisch.  :D:'( (I am a Dutch guy)


Title: Re: AAS & Hair Loss
Post by: kevcat on October 06, 2012, 09:09:47 AM
I only started to notice any visible thinning in the last couple of years.  Looked at pictures and there is no indication I was thinning.  People are programmed to thin at different times.  Some thin in their late teens others in their sixties.

What age are you dude?


Title: Re: AAS & Hair Loss
Post by: Archer77 on October 06, 2012, 09:23:11 AM
What age are you dude?

I just turned thirty-five.


Title: Re: AAS & Hair Loss
Post by: Donny on October 06, 2012, 09:25:39 AM
Bunch of fucking bum boys...shave it  >:(


Title: Re: AAS & Hair Loss
Post by: Borracho on October 06, 2012, 09:49:01 AM
Hi all,

I am a 40 year old guy who is training for 20 years naturally. Now i want to use 1-2 times steroids but the problem is as follows:

I am prone to baldness, 10 years ago i got a surgery hairtransplant.
I know that when you are prone to baldness, steroids is a bad idea, but i want to give it a try with roids which are the safest for my hairline.

I was doubing about anavar, because anavar has a very low androgenic value. But because anavar is a derivate of dht i am afraight of it.
Now i am planning Testosteron Ent 250 mg/ week combined with finasteride.(1 mg/day)

Do you guys think this is the best solution for me to minimalize the chance that my (transplanted) hair will fall out?? :'(

Thanks for all your responses in advance and sorry for maybe my bad englisch.  :D:'( (I am a Dutch guy)

If you're not on finasteride, minox and nizoral than I would get on those if you wanna keep your hair.

I started this thread about a year ago. In the meantime I've tried just about every steroid that's not "supposed to" cause hair loss. And guess what...they all caused an increase in shed or made my scalp itchy. Only on anavar I seemed to be ok but that was on 40mgs by itself...

From what I've learned this past year I would say not to waste your time running all the "hair friendly steroids" alone cause you might feel like shit and what's the point of taking juice if you're gonna feel like crap?

You might be able to go on a no test cycle with nandrolone, var, tbol, etc and not feel like shit but once the doses go up you will experience hair loss if you're prone to it I don't care what anyone says.

If you wanna juice I would say start off with test prop (along with finasteride) that way if you see too much shed for your liking you simply stop taking it. At your age I would be considering hrt anyway......

I don't know what your goals are but doing "steroids 1-2 times" is easier said than done.






Title: Re: AAS & Hair Loss
Post by: Borracho on October 06, 2012, 09:55:12 AM
Bunch of fucking bum boys...shave it  >:(

I'm so handsome with my hair I probably will just to give you ugly fuckers a chance.  ;D


Title: Re: AAS & Hair Loss
Post by: Archer77 on October 06, 2012, 09:55:17 AM
Bunch of fucking bum boys...shave it  >:(

That is a good solution if you are so bald there is no hope for you.  Some of us have only moderate thinning and still have enough hair to be presentable.


Title: Re: AAS & Hair Loss
Post by: kevcat on October 07, 2012, 01:09:54 AM
I just turned thirty-five.

Maybe mine isnt juice related but id rather not take my chances. Plus it seems like its a rapid thinning i had rather than slowly over time. It was only in a works mirror i glanced i could see thru the top a little, then few days later i noticed again i was seeing thru it a bit and ive never noticed that. So i had a decent inspection and definetly its a sudden shedding ive went through.I still have plenty but the juice is no more  :)


Title: Re: AAS & Hair Loss
Post by: Archer77 on October 07, 2012, 04:28:29 AM
Maybe mine isnt juice related but id rather not take my chances. Plus it seems like its a rapid thinning i had rather than slowly over time. It was only in a works mirror i glanced i could see thru the top a little, then few days later i noticed again i was seeing thru it a bit and ive never noticed that. So i had a decent inspection and definetly its a sudden shedding ive went through.I still have plenty but the juice is no more  :)

I've done a few cycles in my twenties without any noticeable hair loss but I wouldn't do another at my current age out of fear a cycle would rapidly accelerate the thinning process.


Title: Re: AAS & Hair Loss
Post by: Christo on October 07, 2012, 06:55:14 AM
If you're not on finasteride, minox and nizoral than I would get on those if you wanna keep your hair.

I started this thread about a year ago. In the meantime I've tried just about every steroid that's not "supposed to" cause hair loss. And guess what...they all caused an increase in shed or made my scalp itchy. Only on anavar I seemed to be ok but that was on 40mgs by itself...

From what I've learned this past year I would say not to waste your time running all the "hair friendly steroids" alone cause you might feel like shit and what's the point of taking juice if you're gonna feel like crap?

You might be able to go on a no test cycle with nandrolone, var, tbol, etc and not feel like shit but once the doses go up you will experience hair loss if you're prone to it I don't care what anyone says.

If you wanna juice I would say start off with test prop (along with finasteride) that way if you see too much shed for your liking you simply stop taking it. At your age I would be considering hrt anyway......

I don't know what your goals are but doing "steroids 1-2 times" is easier said than done.






Thanks for your reaction and advise. :)

Well i am 1m.83 cm tall with a bodyweigt of 98kg and 16% fat. 8)
The fact is: is it for 100% procent sure that i will not notice hair shedding when i combine Test with finasteride? is this combo absolutely sure?

I am using minox for 20 years and i uses finasteride for 7 months, but at the end i felt that my libido was lowering and i got sometimes a fuck mental feeling...

I read about tbol, tbol must be safer than anavar?

Thanks again.





Title: Re: AAS & Hair Loss
Post by: Christo on October 07, 2012, 07:01:24 AM
If you're not on finasteride, minox and nizoral than I would get on those if you wanna keep your hair.

I started this thread about a year ago. In the meantime I've tried just about every steroid that's not "supposed to" cause hair loss. And guess what...they all caused an increase in shed or made my scalp itchy. Only on anavar I seemed to be ok but that was on 40mgs by itself...

From what I've learned this past year I would say not to waste your time running all the "hair friendly steroids" alone cause you might feel like shit and what's the point of taking juice if you're gonna feel like crap?

You might be able to go on a no test cycle with nandrolone, var, tbol, etc and not feel like shit but once the doses go up you will experience hair loss if you're prone to it I don't care what anyone says.

If you wanna juice I would say start off with test prop (along with finasteride) that way if you see too much shed for your liking you simply stop taking it. At your age I would be considering hrt anyway......

I don't know what your goals are but doing "steroids 1-2 times" is easier said than done.






 I only want to use it 1-2 times because i only need a push forward.
I am training 20 years naturally and since the last 10 years i am not growing and have any visible progression anymore. so for me it is a little booster nothing more. a few lean kg's and that's it (5-6 kg)

My live with my wife and my health is for me the most important thing. besides my training ;D ;)


Title: Re: AAS & Hair Loss
Post by: Borracho on October 07, 2012, 10:17:07 AM
Maybe mine isnt juice related but id rather not take my chances. Plus it seems like its a rapid thinning i had rather than slowly over time. It was only in a works mirror i glanced i could see thru the top a little, then few days later i noticed again i was seeing thru it a bit and ive never noticed that. So i had a decent inspection and definetly its a sudden shedding ive went through.I still have plenty but the juice is no more  :)

From what I've read online this happens to quite a few people. One theory is that the hair follicles start going dormant at the same time.  :-\


Thanks for your reaction and advise. :)

Well i am 1m.83 cm tall with a bodyweigt of 98kg and 16% fat. 8)
The fact is: is it for 100% procent sure that i will not notice hair shedding when i combine Test with finasteride? is this combo absolutely sure?

I am using minox for 20 years and i uses finasteride for 7 months, but at the end i felt that my libido was lowering and i got sometimes a fuck mental feeling...

I read about tbol, tbol must be safer than anavar?

Thanks again.





Nothing is for sure....but at least with finasteride you are guaranteed a 70% reduction in dht and with the others you don't really know until you try them. I tried tbol and my scalp itched like fuck on it....sign of coming hair loss btw. Anavar I was fine on but you may not be...who knows!

Tbol is still a dht deriviative like anavar so hair loss is still a possibility if you are prone to it. I guess you could try low doses but like I said it's still not 100% guaranteed.

I'm only suggesting test cause I feel I wasted a lot of time trying other steroids that we're supposed to be safe when in reality they weren't....for me.

If you don't wanna take finasteride than I would probably say go with var or tbol. Turinabol was no good for my hair but you may be ok on that. Deca or npp may be another option but it's one of those where you might end up feeling lethargic and with no libido. And nandrolone sides are not as easy to deal with as they are with test in case they do come up.

Btw if you felt like shit with the finasteride I'm sure the extra test would help with that. You will have to keep an ai on in case you go that route just in case since some get gyno symptoms even when 100% clean.





Title: Re: AAS & Hair Loss
Post by: Donny on October 07, 2012, 10:56:26 AM
Think i will buy a wig... ;D


Title: Re: AAS & Hair Loss
Post by: Christo on October 08, 2012, 09:46:12 AM
From what I've read online this happens to quite a few people. One theory is that the hair follicles start going dormant at the same time.  :-\


Nothing is for sure....but at least with finasteride you are guaranteed a 70% reduction in dht and with the others you don't really know until you try them. I tried tbol and my scalp itched like fuck on it....sign of coming hair loss btw. Anavar I was fine on but you may not be...who knows!

Tbol is still a dht deriviative like anavar so hair loss is still a possibility if you are prone to it. I guess you could try low doses but like I said it's still not 100% guaranteed.

I'm only suggesting test cause I feel I wasted a lot of time trying other steroids that we're supposed to be safe when in reality they weren't....for me.

If you don't wanna take finasteride than I would probably say go with var or tbol. Turinabol was no good for my hair but you may be ok on that. Deca or npp may be another option but it's one of those where you might end up feeling lethargic and with no libido. And nandrolone sides are not as easy to deal with as they are with test in case they do come up.

Btw if you felt like shit with the finasteride I'm sure the extra test would help with that. You will have to keep an ai on in case you go that route just in case since some get gyno symptoms even when 100% clean.





Thanks bro, for your advise.

I think im going to try test enthantaat  with fina for 8 weeks.
Does the fina not block the nolva or clomid in the post cycle?

If shedding will start when using roids, and if you then stop immedately wth the roids, does the shedding stop at same time? or is the shedding just a trigger for a proces of hairloss what last longer?


Title: Re: AAS & Hair Loss
Post by: Oly15 on October 08, 2012, 10:46:05 AM
That is a good solution if you are so bald there is no hope for you.  Some of us have only moderate thinning and still have enough hair to be presentable.

Lol came to say this. Hair is a gift don't be mad at people who have it.

Seems like the same questions going on, just want to suggest a few things for guys unsuccessful with topicals.

Perhaps take a shot at the internals of things. You've got nothing to lose if you're in this thread.

Omega 3's take high amounts (good benefits for hair and iirc correctly i posted somewhere in the last 5 pages briefly how it can help)
Zinc (required for hair growth)
Milk thistle (liver benefits and i believe that liver health in conjunction with bile flow has a huge effect on hair growth, and shedding)
Hawthorn berry (good for circulatory system, supports kidney function, cleans blood, blood content obviously has lots to do with hair health)

Ill post more if i think of them. I got a full head of hair hairline sits on front of forehead. I take all these supps and occasionally wash with Regenepure DR. These supps may seem ridiculous but as I said you have nothing to lose and everything to gain. Try it.

Btw, have been fuckin around with emu oil applying it every now and then to my face and forehead and along hairline for about 3 weeks off and on. I notice vellus hairs growing and getting long and thick slowly but surely. Just thought I'd mention it.


Title: Re: AAS & Hair Loss
Post by: Borracho on October 08, 2012, 10:59:28 AM
Thanks bro, for your advise.

I think im going to try test enthantaat  with fina for 8 weeks.
Does the fina not block the nolva or clomid in the post cycle?

If shedding will start when using roids, and if you then stop immedately wth the roids, does the shedding stop at same time? or is the shedding just a trigger for a proces of hairloss what last longer?

If anything finasteride combined with nolva or another anti estrogen should bring your testosterone levels back up better I would imagine. The anti dht properties of fina usually mean more free test and an anti e will eliminate estrogen meaning more testosterone.

I know nolva is used post cycle and is actually a serm so it only decreases estrogen at the breast receptor and increases it in others. Either way with a serm or an anti e you shouldn't have any issues....if anything I would think the combo would help in bringing back natural test production. Now...how you actually feel when taking a dht blocker and a serm/anti e post cycle is anyone's guess.  

Wrt shed it can be vary from person to person. Those prone will more than likely shed while on but will be able to regrow it when coming off. Some people will not shed at all while on and can shed like crazy when coming off.

Androgenetic alopecia is a very individual process and even without gear they're still not 100% sure on why it happens the way it does. What I'm trying to say that it can be very unpredictable...


Title: Re: AAS & Hair Loss
Post by: Christo on October 08, 2012, 11:04:21 AM
If anything finasteride combined with nolva or another anti estrogen should bring your testosterone levels back up better I would imagine. The anti dht properties of fina usually mean more free test and an anti e will eliminate estrogen meaning more testosterone.

I know nolva is used post cycle and is actually a serm so it only decreases estrogen at the breast receptor and increases it in others. Either way with a serm or an anti e you shouldn't have any issues....if anything I would think the combo would help in bringing back natural test production. Now...how you actually feel when taking a dht blocker and a serm/anti e post cycle is anyone's guess.  

Wrt shed it can be vary from person to person. Those prone will more than likely shed while on but will be able to regrow it when coming off. Some people will not shed at all while on and can shed like crazy when coming off.

Androgenetic alopecia is a very individual process and even without gear they're still not 100% sure on why it happens the way it does. What I'm trying to say that it can be very unpredictable...

In generally, the hair you loss through the roids will grpw again when finishing with roids or is this  not temporary?


Title: Re: AAS & Hair Loss
Post by: Borracho on October 08, 2012, 11:10:37 AM
In generally, the hair you loss through the roids will grpw again when finishing with roids or is this  not temporary?

I think if actively try to regrow it right away than you will have a really good chance. If you sit back with your arms crossed just wishing for hair growth than you never know. Theres a guy that runs a hairloss from steroids site that believes you can grow it back post cycle...he says a shed is almost inevitable.

I've avoided shedding while on but hair has it's own cycles so we can't predict when we shed even without gear....


Title: Re: AAS & Hair Loss
Post by: Christo on October 08, 2012, 11:45:41 AM
I think if actively try to regrow it right away than you will have a really good chance. If you sit back with your arms crossed just wishing for hair growth than you never know. Theres a guy that runs a hairloss from steroids site that believes you can grow it back post cycle...he says a shed is almost inevitable.

I've avoided shedding while on but hair has it's own cycles so we can't p shed even without gear....
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Yeahh, the same guy wrote also that tboll is the best choice if you are prone to baldness..... :(
How big would be the chance when taking 30 mg anavar a day for 4 weeks?

I had 10 years ago a hairtransplant. is it a risk they will fall out?


Title: Re: AAS & Hair Loss
Post by: Borracho on October 08, 2012, 12:14:38 PM
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Yeahh, the same guy wrote also that tboll is the best choice if you are prone to baldness..... :(
How big would be the chance when taking 30 mg anavar a day for 4 weeks?

I had 10 years ago a hairtransplant. is it a risk they will fall out?

From what I remember correctly he didn't have turinabol listed on his site until I brought it up to him through email one time. Anyway, not much will happen with anavar at that amount and for that length of time...good or bad.

Remember that you're planning a cycle for a limited amount of time and the hair loss will be temporary if any if you do things right.

Like you, I also trained naturally for a good length of time. Over ten years....I wouldn't say it was a waste of time but after jumping on it does seem like it was. I wish I would've started juicing a lot sooner. You might be one of those guys that likes it so much you may just end up shaving your head in case hair loss does become an issue.



Title: Re: AAS & Hair Loss
Post by: Christo on October 11, 2012, 05:46:59 AM
From what I remember correctly he didn't have turinabol listed on his site until I brought it up to him through email one time. Anyway, not much will happen with anavar at that amount and for that length of time...good or bad.

Remember that you're planning a cycle for a limited amount of time and the hair loss will be temporary if any if you do things right.

Like you, I also trained naturally for a good length of time. Over ten years....I wouldn't say it was a waste of time but after jumping on it does seem like it was. I wish I would've started juicing a lot sooner. You might be one of those guys that likes it so much you may just end up shaving your head in case hair loss does become an issue.



30 mg anavar is a little but i think it will trigger grow because it is my first time.
Well, for me my health is the most important thing so much roids as people use in commen , i will surely not do it.
You are right, shaving can be a solution, only i am more handsome with some hair than completely bald ;)and besides that, with my scar behind my head i cannot shave it in a way i want >:(



Title: Re: AAS & Hair Loss
Post by: Christo on October 11, 2012, 05:50:13 AM
From what I remember correctly he didn't have turinabol listed on his site until I brought it up to him through email one time. Anyway, not much will happen with anavar at that amount and for that length of time...good or bad.

Remember that you're planning a cycle for a limited amount of time and the hair loss will be temporary if any if you do things right.

Like you, I also trained naturally for a good length of time. Over ten years....I wouldn't say it was a waste of time but after jumping on it does seem like it was. I wish I would've started juicing a lot sooner. You might be one of those guys that likes it so much you may just end up shaving your head in case hair loss does become an issue.



At the moment i am using creatine. People write that creatine increase the dht level in your body?


Title: Re: AAS & Hair Loss
Post by: Borracho on October 11, 2012, 07:18:59 AM
At the moment i am using creatine. People write that creatine increase the dht level in your body?

Lol


Title: Re: AAS & Hair Loss
Post by: Christo on October 11, 2012, 07:23:18 AM
Lol




http://www.livestrong.com/article/312582-creatine-monohydrate-and-hair-loss/

one of a few articles.


Title: Re: AAS & Hair Loss
Post by: Christo on October 11, 2012, 07:26:43 AM



http://www.livestrong.com/article/312582-creatine-monohydrate-and-hair-loss/

one of a few articles.

http://www.hairloss-research.org/UpdateCreatine10-09.html


Title: Re: AAS & Hair Loss
Post by: Overload on October 11, 2012, 08:07:56 AM
People write that creatine increase the dht level in your body?

I find that extremely hard to believe.

I will read some of those links later, but i wouldn't put much faith into it.


8)


Title: Re: AAS & Hair Loss
Post by: Borracho on October 11, 2012, 08:24:55 AM
http://www.hairloss-research.org/UpdateCreatine10-09.html

I hadn't seen that study but god knows what other stuff the rugby players were taking. Either way,I'd say its best to stay away from juice if you're concerned with something like creatine causing hair loss.


Title: Re: AAS & Hair Loss
Post by: Christo on October 12, 2012, 07:04:30 AM
I find that extremely hard to believe.

I will read some of those links later, but i wouldn't put much faith into it.


8)

why not?


Title: Re: AAS & Hair Loss
Post by: Primemuscle on October 15, 2012, 10:05:07 AM
If you're not on finasteride, minox and nizoral than I would get on those if you wanna keep your hair.

I started this thread about a year ago. In the meantime I've tried just about every steroid that's not "supposed to" cause hair loss. And guess what...they all caused an increase in shed or made my scalp itchy. Only on anavar I seemed to be ok but that was on 40mgs by itself...

From what I've learned this past year I would say not to waste your time running all the "hair friendly steroids" alone cause you might feel like shit and what's the point of taking juice if you're gonna feel like crap?

You might be able to go on a no test cycle with nandrolone, var, tbol, etc and not feel like shit but once the doses go up you will experience hair loss if you're prone to it I don't care what anyone says.

If you wanna juice I would say start off with test prop (along with finasteride) that way if you see too much shed for your liking you simply stop taking it. At your age I would be considering hrt anyway......

I don't know what your goals are but doing "steroids 1-2 times" is easier said than done.

From what I have read, hair transplanted from other areas of the head not generally affected by male pattern baldness, is not subject to falling out due to male patterned baldness. This is not to say you couldn't lose that hair because of other health issues though.






Title: Re: AAS & Hair Loss
Post by: El Diablo Blanco on October 15, 2012, 12:14:19 PM
I was in Canada last week.  Went to the Walmart there, I went to the RX counter and asked for Nizoral 2%, the guy walks me to some aisle and there it was.  Small bottle was $7.99 and Big bottle was $12.99.  I grabbed all 12 bottles of the large and the 8 remaining of the small, cleared the shelf.  I went back before I left but they didn't restock.  In Canada Walmarts are not all over like in the US so I didn't know of any others to go to.  Brought them back home.

I need to find a friend in Canada to ship me some when I run out a year from now.


Title: Re: Hair Loss
Post by: Borracho on October 15, 2012, 04:40:52 PM
From what I have read, hair transplanted from other areas of the head not generally affected by male pattern baldness, is not subject to falling out due to male patterned baldness. This is not to say you couldn't lose that hair because of other health issues though.

The transplanted hair is said to be more resistant to the effects of dht but if someone is taking high amounts of androgens than they'd probably fall off without any preventative measures imo.


I was in Canada last week.  Went to the Walmart there, I went to the RX counter and asked for Nizoral 2%, the guy walks me to some aisle and there it was.  Small bottle was $7.99 and Big bottle was $12.99.  I grabbed all 12 bottles of the large and the 8 remaining of the small, cleared the shelf.  I went back before I left but they didn't restock.  In Canada Walmarts are not all over like in the US so I didn't know of any others to go to.  Brought them back home.

I need to find a friend in Canada to ship me some when I run out a year from now.

Ships to US

http://well.ca/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=2011


Title: Re: Hair Loss
Post by: El Diablo Blanco on October 16, 2012, 12:59:28 PM
The transplanted hair is said to be more resistant to the effects of dht but if someone is taking high amounts of androgens than they'd probably fall off without any preventative measures imo.



Well.ca stopped shipping to the US.


Title: Re: Hair Loss
Post by: Borracho on October 16, 2012, 02:11:05 PM
Well.ca stopped shipping to the US.

I live in Canada so I haven't had to order it myself. Actually had to order some 5% minox 5% azelaic acid mix from your country since we need a script for that stuff up here. The place I ordered it from is in Florida and they also carry the nizoral but looking at their prices they are a little higher than what I pay for it up here. If you want the site pm me...though I'm sure you probably already heard of it.


Title: Re: Hair Loss
Post by: Christo on October 17, 2012, 10:19:13 AM
The transplanted hair is said to be more resistant to the effects of dht but if someone is taking high amounts of androgens than they'd probably fall off without any preventative measures imo.



That would be strange, The transplanted hairs is coming from a area where the hairs are resistent to dht
This may not be possible :-\


Title: Re: AAS & Hair Loss
Post by: Christo on October 17, 2012, 10:33:01 AM
What about the SARM Ostarine.

It must be 100% safe for your hair at 20 mg per day for 6 weeks..
Any experience with Ostarine?


Title: Re: Hair Loss
Post by: Borracho on October 17, 2012, 10:42:27 AM
That would be strange, The transplanted hairs is coming from a area where the hairs are resistent to dht
This may not be possible :-\

Yeah I said they're supposed to be resistant...

Maybe things change when high amounts of steroids are taken....

I know they can even take hair from your ass and once on the top of your head the texture of the hair will change to look like your regular hair. So maybe, once the follices are placed in areas of the scalp where you are prone to baldness it will change things up a bit....

Just my opinion, you could always go ahead and try to see if you only lose the hair that has not been transplanted. Probably wouldn't be a good look...





Title: Re: Hair Loss
Post by: Christo on October 19, 2012, 09:21:12 AM
Yeah I said they're supposed to be resistant...

Maybe things change when high amounts of steroids are taken....

I know they can even take hair from your ass and once on the top of your head the texture of the hair will change to look like your regular hair. So maybe, once the follices are placed in areas of the scalp where you are prone to baldness it will change things up a bit....

Just my opinion, you could always go ahead and try to see if you only lose the hair that has not been transplanted. Probably wouldn't be a good look...






If that was the case, every moved transplanted hair should have a risk factor to fall out. They say it is impossible because they are immuun for dht attacks.


Title: Re: Hair Loss
Post by: Borracho on October 19, 2012, 07:56:33 PM

If that was the case, every moved transplanted hair should have a risk factor to fall out. They say it is impossible because they are immuun for dht attacks.

Yeah I know it's supposed to stay on forever but It would be good to hear some first hand experiences wrt this before we can be 100% sure.




Title: Re: Hair Loss
Post by: Christo on October 20, 2012, 08:58:13 AM
Yeah I know it's supposed to stay on forever but It would be good to hear some first hand experiences wrt this before we can be 100% sure.




Do you have experience with the SERM Ostarine? it must be zero risk.

Did you also like a combo of Test and fiansteride?


Title: Re: Hair Loss
Post by: Borracho on October 20, 2012, 11:36:50 AM
Do you have experience with the SERM Ostarine? it must be zero risk.

Did you also like a combo of Test and fiansteride?

No on the osterine.

And I wasn't able to get my hands on some fina till recently but honestly I think I would've been much better had I started off with that instead for all the reasons I mentioned before.


Title: Re: Hair Loss
Post by: Christo on November 02, 2012, 10:28:58 AM
No on the osterine.

And I wasn't able to get my hands on some fina till recently but honestly I think I would've been much better had I started off with that instead for all the reasons I mentioned before.

What do you think is better for my hairline?

Test E 250 mg per week + finasteride+ 4 w anavar 40 mg
or

Test E 250 mg per week+ 200 mg Primo+ finasteride

Thanks ;D


Title: Re: Hair Loss
Post by: Primemuscle on November 02, 2012, 12:15:55 PM
What do you think is better for my hairline?

Test E 250 mg per week + finasteride+ 4 w anavar 40 mg
or

Test E 250 mg per week+ 200 mg Primo+ finasteride

Thanks ;D

Either of these should work great if you mix it with peanut butter and massage it into your head.  :)


Title: Re: Hair Loss
Post by: Christo on November 03, 2012, 06:37:34 AM
Either of these should work great if you mix it with peanut butter and massage it into your head.  :)

No i am serious bro. what  do you think? is it safe?


Title: Re: Hair Loss
Post by: Primemuscle on November 04, 2012, 06:34:39 PM
No i am serious bro. what  do you think? is it safe?

My serious answer is this, if you are prone to male pattern baldness, nothing you do or don't do will prevent it. It is just hair. Unless your head is deformed, don't sweat losing it.

I was seriously balding by the time I was in my early twenties. It seemed like everyone had some advice on how to slow it down or even reverse the process. I didn't try everything I heard about, but what I did try, did not work.


Title: Re: AAS & Hair Loss
Post by: Borracho on November 05, 2012, 12:21:42 PM
What do you think is better for my hairline?

Test E 250 mg per week + finasteride+ 4 w anavar 40 mg
or

Test E 250 mg per week+ 200 mg Primo+ finasteride

Thanks ;D

Don't do either of these...I guarantee you will lose all your hair.  ::)

C'mon man...you really think a low dose 12-16 week steroid cycle is gonna do that?

This is what's gonna happen...you will notice no hair loss and wanna keep juicing.

Hair loss products do work...I'm using 5% minox/azelaic acid with emu oil and I'm seeing regrowth despite being on. I can't wait till I add this finasteride to see what happens.



Title: Re: AAS & Hair Loss
Post by: Christo on November 06, 2012, 06:36:39 AM
Don't do either of these...I guarantee you will lose all your hair.  ::)

C'mon man...you really think a low dose 12-16 week steroid cycle is gonna do that?

This is what's gonna happen...you will notice no hair loss and wanna keep juicing.

Hair loss products do work...I'm using 5% minox/azelaic acid with emu oil and I'm seeing regrowth despite being on. I can't wait till I add this finasteride to see what happens.



where do you order 5% minox/azeaic acid with emu oil? i am not living in the USA but in Europe?

I got the feeling that i will lose my hair already with creatine...can you imagine? or is it an illusion and fear? :-\


Title: Re: AAS & Hair Loss
Post by: Borracho on November 06, 2012, 06:51:26 AM
where do you order 5% minox/azeaic acid with emu oil? i am not living in the USA but in Europe?

I got the feeling that i will lose my hair already with creatine...can you imagine? or is it an illusion and fear? :-\


I understand what's going through your head right now trust me. I feel like life would mean nothing to me if I was bald and I would consider jumping off a bridge if I lost my hair...lol.  A little bit of gear here and there will not make all your hair fall out.

I'll pm you the site that sells the minox and other hair loss products. And yeah, they're in the U.S but they do ship internationally. I live in Canada and haven't had a problem getting the stuff through customs. If anyone else is interested let me know...
 


Title: Re: AAS & Hair Loss
Post by: Primemuscle on November 06, 2012, 12:33:21 PM
Don't do either of these...I guarantee you will lose all your hair.  ::)

C'mon man...you really think a low dose 12-16 week steroid cycle is gonna do that?

This is what's gonna happen...you will notice no hair loss and wanna keep juicing.

Hair loss products do work...I'm using 5% minox/azelaic acid with emu oil and I'm seeing regrowth despite being on. I can't wait till I add this finasteride to see what happens.



What's your age? What's your genetic predisposition to male pattern baldness? Without knowing these things, it is impossible to tell if these products actually work. Did you lose your hair and grow it back using this stuff?


Title: Re: AAS & Hair Loss
Post by: Borracho on November 06, 2012, 01:20:39 PM
What's your age? What's your genetic predisposition to male pattern baldness? Without knowing these things, it is impossible to tell if these products actually work. Did you lose your hair and grow it back using this stuff?

Hey,

I turned 31 years old this year. I had super thick hair growing up and in my teens. Gradually it's thinned out a little and I have noticed slight recession at the temples. I had the type of hair girls and barbers would comment on how nice and thick it was. If you just met me now than you'd see nothing wrong at all with my hair but if you knew me way back in the day you can see its not as thick.

I take after my mother's father in many ways and the guy had super thick hair even in his late 20's from pics I've seen of him.  But, I remember him as the guy with the bad comb over....

Everyone loses hair gradually....it's extremely rare to see guys who don't lose any hair at all as they age. Maybe I'm being extremely paranoid and I don't suffer mpb but the way I've been getting thinner over the years despite naturally having very thick hair like my grandfather tells me I should do something about it.

Now wrt the regrowth I'm seeing now I could only attribute to the emu oil and minoxidil 5% / azelaic acid 5% combo I'm on right now. The only time I used any hair loss products before starting this thread was back in 2005 for a few months. It was 2% minox...didn't see any results good or bad.

What I'm seeing now is some dark hairs in the temples where I receded a bit over the years. Not so much thickness yet but I'm sure adding finasteride will only help. The three things you should be using if hair loss is a concern is the big three as they say...minox, nizoral, and finasteride. The latter is the only one I'm missing atm. Theres others that will only help like the previous ones mentioned all through this thread....if you can add them in they will only help. Emu oil btw is an amazing product not only for hair loss....

If steroids made me go bald I wouldn't use them...

You can get the benefits of gear and still keep your hair imo. I was having my doubts but for me, adding the minoxidil / Azelaic Acid 5% mix after applying emu oil on my scalp has worked wonders.


Title: Re: AAS & Hair Loss
Post by: Primemuscle on November 06, 2012, 02:34:28 PM
Not so much thickness yet but I'm sure adding finasteride will only help. The three things you should be using if hair loss is a concern is the big three as they say...minox, nizoral, and finasteride. The latter is the only one I'm missing atm.

Are you aware the Finasteride can cause impotence in some men? I took Proscar, the brand name for the generic Finasteride for many years to help control an enlarged prostate. It didn't do anything positive for my sex life or my bald head. Interestingly, now that I don't need to take Finasteride any longer because I had a prostatectomy, I have noticed a few new hairs growing on my head at the ripe old age of 68.

Check out this link: http://simmonsbrowder.com/finasteride.php?_vsrefdom=paidsearch&kw=finasteride_side_effects (http://simmonsbrowder.com/finasteride.php?_vsrefdom=paidsearch&kw=finasteride_side_effects)


Title: Re: AAS & Hair Loss
Post by: Borracho on November 06, 2012, 02:58:49 PM
Are you aware the Finasteride can cause impotence in some men? I took Proscar, the brand name for the generic Finasteride for many years to help control an enlarged prostate. It didn't do anything positive for my sex life or my bald head. Interestingly, now that I don't need to take Finasteride any longer because I had a prostatectomy, I have noticed a few new hairs growing on my head at the ripe old age of 68

Check out this link: http://simmonsbrowder.com/finasteride.php?_vsrefdom=paidsearch&kw=finasteride_side_effects (http://simmonsbrowder.com/finasteride.php?_vsrefdom=paidsearch&kw=finasteride_side_effects)

Yeah I've heard all the propecia horror stories prime. Sucks it didn't work for ya but hopefully it does for me. Only one way to find out...

Remember hearing about ur prostate thingy...glad everythings going well for ya!


Title: Re: AAS & Hair Loss
Post by: Christo on November 07, 2012, 04:32:07 AM
Hey,

I turned 31 years old this year. I had super thick hair growing up and in my teens. Gradually it's thinned out a little and I have noticed slight recession at the temples. I had the type of hair girls and barbers would comment on how nice and thick it was. If you just met me now than you'd see nothing wrong at all with my hair but if you knew me way back in the day you can see its not as thick.

I take after my mother's father in many ways and the guy had super thick hair even in his late 20's from pics I've seen of him.  But, I remember him as the guy with the bad comb over....

Everyone loses hair gradually....it's extremely rare to see guys who don't lose any hair at all as they age. Maybe I'm being extremely paranoid and I don't suffer mpb but the way I've been getting thinner over the years despite naturally having very thick hair like my grandfather tells me I should do something about it.

Now wrt the regrowth I'm seeing now I could only attribute to the emu oil and minoxidil 5% / azelaic acid 5% combo I'm on right now. The only time I used any hair loss products before starting this thread was back in 2005 for a few months. It was 2% minox...didn't see any results good or bad.

What I'm seeing now is some dark hairs in the temples where I receded a bit over the years. Not so much thickness yet but I'm sure adding finasteride will only help. The three things you should be using if hair loss is a concern is the big three as they say...minox, nizoral, and finasteride. The latter is the only one I'm missing atm. Theres others that will only help like the previous ones mentioned all through this thread....if you can add them in they will only help. Emu oil btw is an amazing product not only for hair loss....

If steroids made me go bald I wouldn't use them...

You can get the benefits of gear and still keep your hair imo. I was having my doubts but for me, adding the minoxidil / Azelaic Acid 5% mix after applying emu oil on my scalp has worked wonders.


Hey bro,

It seems you are not so prone to MRB. Me yes, so that is the difference.
You cannot compare your situation with mine.
I am already balding dor 20 years and had already a hairtransplant. The balding proces is slowly but i my opinion it is still there so do you not think the proces will go quicker with roids despite the hairtreatments?


Title: Re: AAS & Hair Loss
Post by: Borracho on November 07, 2012, 05:50:38 AM

Hey bro,

It seems you are not so prone to MRB. Me yes, so that is the difference.
You cannot compare your situation with mine.
I am already balding dor 20 years and had already a hairtransplant. The balding proces is slowly but i my opinion it is still there so do you not think the proces will go quicker with roids despite the hairtreatments?

Everyones different....I could all of a sudden start shedding crazy amounts of hair and as I said in the previous page some people seem to have the follicles all go dormant at the same time. Like my grandfather....if you saw his pics in his late 20s you would've never thought the guy would be complety bald later on. He's dead now so I can't ask him exactly what happened.


Title: Re: AAS & Hair Loss
Post by: Primemuscle on November 07, 2012, 03:11:34 PM
Everyones different....I could all of a sudden start shedding crazy amounts of hair and as I said in the previous page some people seem to have the follicles all go dormant at the same time. Like my grandfather....if you saw his pics in his late 20s you would've never thought the guy would be complety bald later on. He's dead now so I can't ask him exactly what happened.


Maybe he pulled his hair out because his kids and grandchildren gave him too much grief.  :)


Title: Re: AAS & Hair Loss
Post by: Borracho on November 07, 2012, 03:36:40 PM
Maybe he pulled his hair out because his kids and grandchildren gave him too much grief.  :)

Lol     


Title: Re: AAS & Hair Loss
Post by: Christo on November 11, 2012, 05:30:10 AM
Lol     

Hey guys,

I am wondering if Oral Turinabol can cause hairloss?
There are rumors that Turinabol is the only steroid which no causes hairloss if you prone to MRB if the doses are moderate.(40 mg)
Is that true?
According the foorum Hairloss from steroids Turinabol is the best steroid in relation to the risk.


Title: Re: AAS & Hair Loss
Post by: Christo on November 16, 2012, 05:26:15 AM
Nobody?


Title: Re: AAS & Hair Loss
Post by: DerrickRigg on December 07, 2012, 12:08:10 PM
My hair loss stopped at 34. Wasn't doing too heavy cycles - 900mg. test/400 tren/600 eq.

I noticed when I stopped some grew back - maybe 15 percet. But then my body hair grows like crazy too. Had shaving my tris, bis, and traps.

But just shows guys like me got heavy test levels naturally.


Title: Re: AAS & Hair Loss
Post by: Primemuscle on December 07, 2012, 04:54:17 PM
My hair loss stopped at 34. Wasn't doing too heavy cycles - 900mg. test/400 tren/600 eq.

I noticed when I stopped some grew back - maybe 15 percet. But then my body hair grows like crazy too. Had shaving my tris, bis, and traps.

But just shows guys like me got heavy test levels naturally.

Male pattern baldness and having heavy body hair are two different things. There are a lot of men, like me who are hairy all over except on our heads. In fact there are experts who believe male pattern baldness is a result of one having naturally high testosterone levels.

I started going bald in my late teens. I began growing hair on my back in my late twenties. My legs and arms were hairy for as long as I can remember. Now my legs are going bald.

Do you think male pattern baldness is the result of progressive or regressive genes. What do you suppose  evolution has to do with baldness? Will men be getting hairier or less hairy in the future.


Title: Re: AAS & Hair Loss
Post by: Christo on December 08, 2012, 10:04:41 AM
Male pattern baldness and having heavy body hair are two different things. There are a lot of men, like me who are hairy all over except on our heads. In fact there are experts who believe male pattern baldness is a result of one having naturally high testosterone levels.

I started going bald in my late teens. I began growing hair on my back in my late twenties. My legs and arms were hairy for as long as I can remember. Now my legs are going bald.

Do you think male pattern baldness is the result of progressive or regressive genes. What do you suppose  evolution has to do with baldness? Will men be getting hairier or less hairy in the future.

WHich kind of stuff is the best for your hairline?

Combo Test/Primo 250/200?


Title: Re: AAS & Hair Loss
Post by: Primemuscle on December 08, 2012, 03:09:18 PM
WHich kind of stuff is the best for your hairline?

Combo Test/Primo 250/200?

The best solution I found for my hairline was to buzz cut the remaining hair so as to not look something like Bozo the Clown. My hair used to be blond and then dirty blond. These days, it is mostly white. I suspect people with dark hair have a more difficult time with balding since their hair color is such a contrast to their skin color, unless they are dark skinned.


Title: Re: Hair Loss
Post by: anabolichalo on December 08, 2012, 03:27:36 PM
My serious answer is this, if you are prone to male pattern baldness, nothing you do or don't do will prevent it. It is just hair. Unless your head is deformed, don't sweat losing it.

I was seriously balding by the time I was in my early twenties. It seemed like everyone had some advice on how to slow it down or even reverse the process. I didn't try everything I heard about, but what I did try, did not work.
what if your head is deformed


Title: Re: Hair Loss
Post by: Primemuscle on December 08, 2012, 03:31:15 PM
what if your head is deformed

That's a problem....fortunately it is not one I have.


Title: Re: Hair Loss
Post by: anabolichalo on December 08, 2012, 03:35:45 PM
That's a problem....fortunately it is not one I have.
i emailed this surgeon http://www.exploreplasticsurgery.com/2010/10/13/case-study-minimally-invasive-cranioplasty-using-kryptonite-bone-cement/


he said he could fix it for about $15,000

lol

"one hour procedure" $15,000


Title: Re: Hair Loss
Post by: Primemuscle on December 09, 2012, 04:42:16 PM
i emailed this surgeon http://www.exploreplasticsurgery.com/2010/10/13/case-study-minimally-invasive-cranioplasty-using-kryptonite-bone-cement/


he said he could fix it for about $15,000

lol

"one hour procedure" $15,000

This is a very interesting site. The link you posted doesn't work though. Anyway, I found the section on cranioplasty using kryptonite bone cement. The fellow with groves in his head didn't look that bad before the surgery. I made me think some folks are just obsessed about their looks. Even the fellow with the flat spot on the back of his head looked fine to me before he had it fixed.


Title: Re: Hair Loss
Post by: anabolichalo on December 10, 2012, 12:12:48 AM
This is a very interesting site. The link you posted doesn't work though. Anyway, I found the section on cranioplasty using kryptonite bone cement. The fellow with groves in his head didn't look that bad before the surgery. I made me think some folks are just obsessed about their looks. Even the fellow with the flat spot on the back of his head looked fine to me before he had it fixed.
yeh he didnt look bad at all

i think tho my problem is bigger (lol, everybody thinks that right)


Title: Re: Hair Loss
Post by: Primemuscle on December 10, 2012, 12:32:17 AM
yeh he didnt look bad at all

i think tho my problem is bigger (lol, everybody thinks that right)

I have a fat nose. I hated it for the longest time. Now I think it is uniquely me.


Title: Re: Hair Loss
Post by: anabolichalo on December 10, 2012, 12:32:53 AM
I have a fat nose. I hated it for the longest time. Now I think it is uniquely me.
heh yeah but thats not a deformity just a big nose


Title: Re: AAS & Hair Loss
Post by: DerrickRigg on January 04, 2013, 11:01:01 AM
Gotta keep the lean face and hair here for the woman. Tren/eq/winstrol/testprop all good for cycle to avoid hair loss? ???


Title: Re: AAS & Hair Loss
Post by: anabolichalo on January 04, 2013, 11:38:24 AM
Gotta keep the lean face and hair here for the woman. Tren/eq/winstrol/testprop all good for cycle to avoid hair loss? ???
the only hair safe way to go is the following according a very experienced steroid user and hair loss sufferer who has advised a lot of his hair loss suffering steroid using friends as well successfully

*take finasteride for 6 months, find out if you respond well to it and can tolerate it a quarter tablet a day (1.25mg)

if it works, you can start taking test without fear of further hairloss

when 500-750mg test, up the finasteride to 2.5 mg per day (half tablet)

you need to take arimidex now, because the conversion to estrogen will be forced since to DHT conversion is inhibited


any other steroids are hit or miss





Title: Re: AAS & Hair Loss
Post by: Oly15 on January 04, 2013, 01:32:01 PM
Gotta keep the lean face and hair here for the woman. Tren/eq/winstrol/testprop all good for cycle to avoid hair loss? ???

Wtf? I cant think of a worse cycle than that if youre prone to mpb...winstrol??


Title: Re: AAS & Hair Loss
Post by: Christo on January 05, 2013, 08:25:46 AM
the only hair safe way to go is the following according a very experienced steroid user and hair loss sufferer who has advised a lot of his hair loss suffering steroid using friends as well successfully

*take finasteride for 6 months, find out if you respond well to it and can tolerate it a quarter tablet a day (1.25mg)

if it works, you can start taking test without fear of further hairloss

when 500-750mg test, up the finasteride to 2.5 mg per day (half tablet)

you need to take arimidex now, because the conversion to estrogen will be forced since to DHT conversion is inhibited


any other steroids are hit or miss





Accept Deca durabolin and Oral Turinabol...


Title: Re: AAS & Hair Loss
Post by: anabolichalo on January 05, 2013, 08:27:17 AM
Accept Deca durabolin and Oral Turinabol...
deca needs to be taken with test

and when you take test you need finasteride

and deca reacts bad with finasteride


Title: Re: AAS & Hair Loss
Post by: Christo on January 05, 2013, 08:30:55 AM
deca needs to be taken with test

and when you take test you need finasteride

and deca reacts bad with finasteride


Yes i know but test is the problem
Maybe you can take Deca with Primo or anavar? instead of test?


Title: Re: AAS & Hair Loss
Post by: anabolichalo on January 05, 2013, 08:31:42 AM

Yes i know but test is the problem
Maybe you can take Deca with Primo or anavar? instead of test?
dht derivates are also bad


Title: Re: AAS & Hair Loss
Post by: Christo on January 05, 2013, 08:33:20 AM
dht derivates are also bad

But they have a low androgenic value and that;s the point i think.



Title: Re: AAS & Hair Loss
Post by: Christo on January 05, 2013, 08:34:38 AM
And Euipose only?


Title: Re: AAS & Hair Loss
Post by: Christo on January 05, 2013, 08:36:42 AM
dht derivates are also bad

Deca with Equipose or Deca and Turinabol maybe?


Title: Re: AAS & Hair Loss
Post by: anabolichalo on January 05, 2013, 08:37:39 AM
no idea

i have zero experience with this

could work but hairloss with steroids remains russian roulette


Title: Re: AAS & Hair Loss
Post by: Christo on January 05, 2013, 08:54:19 AM
no idea

i have zero experience with this

could work but hairloss with steroids remains russian roulette

Which roids you have used? did you noticed hair shedding?


Title: Re: AAS & Hair Loss
Post by: anabolichalo on January 05, 2013, 09:03:13 AM
Which roids you have used? did you noticed hair shedding?
never had the balls yet to try


Title: Re: AAS & Hair Loss
Post by: flinstones1 on January 31, 2013, 07:01:09 PM

Yes i know but test is the problem
Maybe you can take Deca with Primo or anavar? instead of test?

 :o   ;)


Title: Re: AAS & Hair Loss
Post by: Primemuscle on February 01, 2013, 11:08:10 AM
haha, today i was at the hairdressers.

to colour my grey hair black.

then this stupid little bitch hairdresser whore told me after washing my hair that i got massive hairloss.

i told her thats the same since age 20, and i still got them all.

she said at that pace they ll be gone in couple months.

i said so what i dont mind, ill wear a wig in the worst case(i always wanted an afro anyway) :D

i asked her if shes trying to sell me some bs product, which she tried to.

"makes the loss slower".

if it happens, ill wear a wig.or just be bald.

Of course the lighter color gray would hide the fact that you have thin hair better than dying it black, unless of course you have a really dark complexion.

I colored my gray hair sandy blond for many years. After I retired, I let it go natural. My beard and what little hair I have on my head is mostly white now. My natural hair color before turning white/gray was dirty blond. One thing I found was that coloring my mustache was a pain in the butt. It grows so fast that I had to touch it up twice a week.


Title: Re: AAS & Hair Loss
Post by: anabolichalo on February 01, 2013, 11:13:40 AM
dennis wolf is going bald


Title: Re: AAS & Hair Loss
Post by: Christo on February 21, 2013, 11:51:00 AM
dennis wolf is going bald

-There are more baldy pro BB nowaday then20 years ago...

-Everybody is very positive about ketoconazole but in their description stands that ket can cause hairloss???????????


Title: Re: AAS & Hair Loss
Post by: anabolichalo on February 21, 2013, 12:52:53 PM
-There are more baldy pro BB nowaday then20 years ago...

-Everybody is very positive about ketoconazole but in their description stands that ket can cause hairloss???????????
shedding?

not sure

i'm contemplating adding it to my finasteride


gotta get in touch with andros from ripped.com goddamnit


Title: Re: AAS & Hair Loss
Post by: Christo on April 08, 2013, 08:59:52 AM
Hi guys

Which stack is more hairfriendly?

-Test/Deca 250/200 without finasteride?
Test/Primo 250/200- with finasteride?


Title: Re: AAS & Hair Loss
Post by: anabolichalo on April 08, 2013, 09:55:11 AM
Hi guys

Which stack is more hairfriendly?

-Test/Deca 250/200 without finasteride?
Test/Primo 250/200- with finasteride?
the first one is definitely not hair friendly if ur prone to hairloss

second im not sure


Title: Re: AAS & Hair Loss
Post by: Borracho on April 08, 2013, 10:30:42 AM
It's been months and poor christo still hasn't made up his mind.


Title: Re: AAS & Hair Loss
Post by: anabolichalo on April 08, 2013, 10:38:56 AM
It's been months and poor christo still hasn't made up his mind.
took me years

now turns out the arimidex may be fucking my estrogen levels beyond repair


Title: Re: AAS & Hair Loss
Post by: Borracho on April 08, 2013, 10:46:27 AM
took me years

now turns out the arimidex may be fucking my estrogen levels beyond repair

Admittedly, I put it off for years thinking I'd be bald anyway and start then. Haven't gone bald yet but lost motivation for the gym like you did. You know...natural limit.

And don't worry man...not everyone will get gyno after stopping adex. A lot of people have been able to get off it w.o developing it.


Title: Re: AAS & Hair Loss
Post by: anabolichalo on April 08, 2013, 10:49:21 AM
Admittedly, I put it off for years thinking I'd be bald anyway and start then. Haven't gone bald yet but lost motivation for the gym like you did. You know...natural limit.

And don't worry man...not everyone will get gyno after stopping adex. A lot of people have been able to get off it w.o developing it.
after some years it becomes unbearable especially when you become more accutely aware of reality


if not for starting roids i'd probably have given up working out all together in the near future


Title: Re: AAS & Hair Loss
Post by: Borracho on April 08, 2013, 10:56:10 AM
after some years it becomes unbearable especially when you become more accutely aware of reality


if not for starting roids i'd probably have given up working out all together in the near future

Yeah...same for me.

I need this lifestyle since it keeps me away from other stuff. But what will we do when we're satisfied with our new size and just maintain once again  ???


Title: Re: AAS & Hair Loss
Post by: anabolichalo on April 08, 2013, 10:57:53 AM
Yeah...same for me.

I need this lifestyle since it keeps me away from other stuff. But what will we do when we're satisfied with our new size and just maintain once again  ???
good question

getbig says that after a year of juicin you reach your juiced peak pretty much

unless u suicide dose


Title: Re: AAS & Hair Loss
Post by: Archer77 on April 08, 2013, 11:00:32 AM
good question

getbig says that after a year of juicin you reach your juiced peak pretty much

unless u suicide dose

How's the hair looking so far?


Title: Re: AAS & Hair Loss
Post by: anabolichalo on April 08, 2013, 11:01:15 AM
How's the hair looking so far?
honestly i wonder

i've been looking at it a lot with mirrors


but i'm just not sure



Title: Re: AAS & Hair Loss
Post by: Borracho on April 08, 2013, 11:02:28 AM
good question

getbig says that after a year of juicin you reach your juiced peak pretty much

unless u suicide dose

Been over a year for me but I've barely gone over 500mg of anything for any considerable amount of time. I know I can grow if I up the dose...but I think I'm there man...don't wanna look grossly juiced.

Bigger is not better...you will get to where you want soon enough I think.


Title: Re: AAS & Hair Loss
Post by: anabolichalo on April 08, 2013, 11:08:37 AM
Been over a year for me but I've barely gone over 500mg of anything for any considerable amount of time. I know I can grow if I up the dose...but I think I'm there man...don't wanna look grossly juiced.

Bigger is not better...you will get to where you want soon enough I think.
do you look "like you lift?"



Title: Re: AAS & Hair Loss
Post by: Borracho on April 08, 2013, 11:10:39 AM
do you look "like you lift?"



A little bit. lol.

I posted a pic here a few months back.

(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=456018.0;attach=503388;image)


Title: Re: AAS & Hair Loss
Post by: anabolichalo on April 08, 2013, 11:11:47 AM
A little bit. lol.

I posted a pic here a few months back.

(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=456018.0;attach=503388;image)
looking solid

what armsize is that


Title: Re: AAS & Hair Loss
Post by: Borracho on April 08, 2013, 11:14:58 AM
looking solid

what armsize is that

A little over 16 inches...lol. Do they look bigger or smaller than that?

Pic was cold with no pump but even test cyp brings out the vascularity in me.


Title: Re: AAS & Hair Loss
Post by: anabolichalo on April 08, 2013, 11:15:50 AM
A little over 16 inches...lol. Do they look bigger or smaller than that?

Pic was cold with no pump but even test cyp brings out the vascularity in me.
i'd say bigger since mine are now abit over 16"

but probably more bloated


Title: Re: AAS & Hair Loss
Post by: Archer77 on April 08, 2013, 11:17:26 AM
honestly i wonder

i've been looking at it a lot with mirrors


but i'm just not sure



Probably haven't lost any, because, if you're anything like me you would have noticed.



Title: Re: AAS & Hair Loss
Post by: Borracho on April 08, 2013, 11:18:10 AM
i'd say bigger since mine are now abit over 16"

but probably more bloated

yeah...measurements can be deceiving. From other angles they look much bigger than what they measure. I eat low carbs year round which is why I don't hold as much water as you. But for overall growth I say you stick to what you're doing....but if you feel little too bloated just drop the carbs. You'll see how quickly it will change your look.


Title: Re: AAS & Hair Loss
Post by: njflex on April 08, 2013, 11:20:32 AM
nice b.....


Title: Re: AAS & Hair Loss
Post by: Borracho on April 08, 2013, 11:20:44 AM
Probably haven't lost any, because, if you're anything like me you would have noticed.



I've noticed an increase in shed myself. But it started a couple of months after starting the finasteride. I'm hoping there is some regrowth happening...can't tell if this is the case yet.


Title: Re: AAS & Hair Loss
Post by: anabolichalo on April 08, 2013, 11:22:58 AM
yeah...measurements can be deceiving. From other angles they look much bigger than what they measure. I eat low carbs year round which is why I don't hold as much water as you. But for overall growth I say you stick to what you're doing....but if you feel little too bloated just drop the carbs. You'll see how quickly it will change your look.

yeah i'm just going for growth as long as i dont get fat i keep eating


Title: Re: AAS & Hair Loss
Post by: anabolichalo on April 08, 2013, 11:24:21 AM
Probably haven't lost any, because, if you're anything like me you would have noticed.


always feel bad when i see hairline from the side with two mirrors

but that doesnt mean it got worse

if stabilized i might get hair transplant in few years


Title: Re: AAS & Hair Loss
Post by: Archer77 on April 08, 2013, 11:25:43 AM
I've noticed an increase in shed myself. But it started a couple of months after starting the finasteride. I'm hoping there is some regrowth happening...can't tell if this is the case yet.

I've heard that there is an initial shed not only with minoxidil but with finasteride as well.   I didn't experience it myself but I know a few who say they have.  DHT is involved in the hair cycle in some way and the reduction in dht causes a shift, pushing some hairs further into the hair cycle, or, so the theory goes.  Great physique, by the way.... No homo


Title: Re: AAS & Hair Loss
Post by: Borracho on April 08, 2013, 11:26:33 AM
nice b.....

Thanks nj.

Not concerned with getting bigger tbh. Would much rather focus on bringing up those calves lol.


Title: Re: AAS & Hair Loss
Post by: anabolichalo on April 08, 2013, 11:26:59 AM
i noticed a new dark hair in front of hairline

it is shorter and darker than other hairs

hoping this is a new hair

or

i lost all the hair around this remaining one

not sure


Title: Re: AAS & Hair Loss
Post by: Borracho on April 08, 2013, 11:30:37 AM
I've heard that there is an initial shed not only with minoxidil but with finasteride as well.   I didn't experience it myself but I know a few who say they have.  DHT is involved in the hair cycle in some way and the reduction in dht causes a shift, pushing some hairs further into the hair cycle, or, so the theory goes.  Great physique, by the way.... No homo

Thanks brother.

And yeah I've heard that a shed can be a good sign. Are you using any minox as well or just finasteride?


Title: Re: AAS & Hair Loss
Post by: Borracho on April 08, 2013, 11:35:10 AM
i noticed a new dark hair in front of hairline

it is shorter and darker than other hairs

hoping this is a new hair

or

i lost all the hair around this remaining one

not sure

Think positive thoughts my friend   ;D


Title: Re: AAS & Hair Loss
Post by: Archer77 on April 08, 2013, 11:37:40 AM
Thanks brother.

And yeah I've heard that a shed can be a good sign. Are you using any minox as well or just finasteride?

Fin for two years and I introduced minoxidil foam about eight months ago.   Saw some regrowth with fin and decided to add the minoxidil to compound the effects.  I decided to give the minoxidil a six month trial to see if it works.  Had an initial shed but didn't see much regrowth after the six months was up.  Decided to continue past the six months because minoxidil foam is inexpensive and I'm glad I did.  At around the seventh month I began to notice little black hairs in an area that was thin.  A month later it's filling in nicely.  What's funny, is that my hair is pretty much gray/white so it was pretty easy to spot the new hairs.

i noticed a new dark hair in front of hairline

it is shorter and darker than other hairs

hoping this is a new hair

or

i lost all the hair around this remaining one

not sure

You're getting regrowth, man.  Congratulations.  I can't remember whether you're on minoxidil as well.


Title: Re: AAS & Hair Loss
Post by: Borracho on April 08, 2013, 11:44:31 AM
Fin for two years and I introduced minoxidil foam about eight months ago.   Saw some regrowth with fin and decided to add the minoxidil to compound the effects.  I decided to give the minoxidil a six month trial to see if it works.  Had an initial shed but didn't see much regrowth after the six months was up.  Decided to continue past the six months because minoxidil foam is inexpensive and I'm glad I did.  At around the seventh month I began to notice little black hairs in an area that was thin.  A month later it's filling in nicely.  What's funny, is that my hair is pretty much gray/white so it was pretty easy to spot the new hairs.


Nice archer...

I used a minox/azelaic acid 5% solution and had great results with it. Problem is that its tough getting it through customs right now.

So are you using any test as well or still natty?


Title: Re: AAS & Hair Loss
Post by: anabolichalo on April 08, 2013, 11:47:45 AM
Fin for two years and I introduced minoxidil foam about eight months ago.   Saw some regrowth with fin and decided to add the minoxidil to compound the effects.  I decided to give the minoxidil a six month trial to see if it works.  Had an initial shed but didn't see much regrowth after the six months was up.  Decided to continue past the six months because minoxidil foam is inexpensive and I'm glad I did.  At around the seventh month I began to notice little black hairs in an area that was thin.  A month later it's filling in nicely.  What's funny, is that my hair is pretty much gray/white so it was pretty easy to spot the new hairs.

You're getting regrowth, man.  Congratulations.  I can't remember whether you're on minoxidil as well.
no i said fuck it

just finasteride


Title: Re: AAS & Hair Loss
Post by: Archer77 on April 08, 2013, 11:55:55 AM
Nice archer...

I used a minox/azelaic acid 5% solution and had great results with it. Problem is that its tough getting it through customs right now.

So are you using any test as well or still natty?
T
Haven't ran a cycle in about six years. I've said this hear before but I've ran four cycles in my life, three in my early twenties and one around twent-nine thirty. I'm thirty-six now. Didn't notice any hair loss for the first three but it was like a bomb went off for the last and that scared me off. I wasn't on fin at the time.  I did experiment with some of the pro steroids while they were still legal and had more sides.

I've considered a test run with fin and an anti-e to keep the estrogen and dht down.  Previously, I ran test, debol, deca cycle for twelve weeks. Pretty standard stuff. All my cycles were pretty much like this except I threw a little anadrol into one of them in place of front loading with dbol.  I loved test and remember the feeling and that makes it pretty temping to pin again-especially as I'm getting older.  Sorry for the novel.


Title: Re: AAS & Hair Loss
Post by: anabolichalo on April 08, 2013, 11:59:31 AM
T
Haven't ran a cycle in about six years. I've said this hear before but I've ran four cycles in my life, three in my early twenties and one around twent-nine thirty. I'm thirty-six now. Didn't notice any hair loss for the first three but it was like a bomb went off for the last and that scared me off. I wasn't on fin at the time.  I did experiment with some of the pro steroids while they were still legal and had more sides.

I've considered a test run with fin and an anti-e to keep the estrogen and dht down.  Previously, I ran test, debol, deca cycle for twelve weeks. Pretty standard stuff. All my cycles were pretty much like this except I threw a little anadrol into one of them in place of front loading with dbol.  I loved test and remember the feeling and that makes it pretty temping to pin again-especially as I'm getting older.  Sorry for the novel.
this is what am doing

took me years of pondering

so deathly afraid of speeding up my hairloss


but now i wonder about the arimidex, maybe fucked

once i go off the test and arimidex my estrogen may bounce to epic heights

scared


Title: Re: AAS & Hair Loss
Post by: Archer77 on April 08, 2013, 12:00:30 PM
no i said fuck it

just finasteride

If you do try minoxidil I'd do it after being on fin for a year.  Before I started fin I tried minoxidil for several months with no results.  After using it again after being on fin I definitely noticed more regrowth.

Borracho, I've used the a-acid solution myself and it works well. If you live in the states you should be able to get generic finasteride online from a reputable pharmacy pretty cheap.


Title: Re: AAS & Hair Loss
Post by: anabolichalo on April 08, 2013, 12:02:16 PM
If you do try minoxidil I'd do it after being on fin for a year.  Before I started fin I tried minoxidil for several months with no results.  After using it again after being on fin I definitely noticed more regrowth.

Borracho, I've used the a-acid solution myself and it works well. If you live in the states you should be able to get generic finasteride online from a reputable pharmacy pretty cheap.
i used minoxidil for two years without finasteride

dermatologist recommended trying the least invasive hair loss treatment


thanks a lot asshole

waste of time money and hair


could have saved so much more hair if i got on finasteride asap


fucking asshole


Title: Re: AAS & Hair Loss
Post by: Archer77 on April 08, 2013, 12:02:51 PM
this is what am doing

took me years of pondering

so deathly afraid of speeding up my hairloss


but now i wonder about the arimidex, maybe fucked

once i go off the test and arimidex my estrogen may bounce to epic heights

scared

From what I've read, with fin you're going to get an increase in estrogen.  This is why some men get gyno on it.  With the added test, your estrogen level will increase even more.  Increase your dose of fin to compensate for the test and you have a crazy feed back loop.

i used minoxidil for two years without finasteride

dermatologist recommended trying the least invasive hair loss treatment


thanks a lot asshole

waste of time money and hair


could have saved so much more hair if i got on finasteride asap


fucking asshole

I just came right out and asked for it.  If he wouldn't have said yes, I would have gone somewhere else. Luckily he was on fin and had no problem.


Title: Re: AAS & Hair Loss
Post by: anabolichalo on April 08, 2013, 12:04:51 PM
From what I've read, with fin you're going to get an increase in estrogen.  This is why some men get gyno on it.  With the added test, your estrogen level will increase even more.  Increase your dose of fin to compensate for the test and you have a crazy feed back loop.
nokidding

so i take 2.5mg of finasteride

and half a tablet (0.5g?) of arimidex every 3rd day

with 300mg of test

so far so good, i think i mean no gyno or massive hairloss

libido? i dont know i dont care either


but when i go off... i will go back to 1.25mg of finasteride

but what off estrogen


Title: Re: AAS & Hair Loss
Post by: Archer77 on April 08, 2013, 12:09:02 PM
nokidding

so i take 2.5mg of finasteride

and half a tablet (0.5g?) of arimidex every 3rd day

with 300mg of test

so far so good, i think i mean no gyno or massive hairloss

libido? i dont know i dont care either


but when i go off... i will go back to 1.25mg of finasteride

but what off estrogen

Arimidex killed my dick.   Had some left over and ran it alone and again it killed my libido. This is years ago.


Title: Re: AAS & Hair Loss
Post by: Primemuscle on April 08, 2013, 12:13:37 PM
this is what am doing

took me years of pondering

so deathly afraid of speeding up my hairloss


but now i wonder about the arimidex, maybe fucked

once i go off the test and arimidex my estrogen may bounce to epic heights

scared

Or, your testosterone with drop to epic lows like mine did. The balancing act when using Arimidex is delicate; too much or too little and your little wanker won't stand at attention any longer.


Title: Re: AAS & Hair Loss
Post by: anabolichalo on April 08, 2013, 12:14:57 PM
Or, your testosterone with drop to epic lows like mine did. The balancing act when using Arimidex is delicate; too much or too little and your little wanker won't stand at attention any longer.
fuck


Title: Re: AAS & Hair Loss
Post by: Archer77 on April 08, 2013, 12:16:00 PM
fuck

Good news.  It was easy for my test levels to rebound when I was younger.  You're a young guy?


Title: Re: AAS & Hair Loss
Post by: Borracho on April 08, 2013, 03:25:02 PM
T
Haven't ran a cycle in about six years. I've said this hear before but I've ran four cycles in my life, three in my early twenties and one around twent-nine thirty. I'm thirty-six now. Didn't notice any hair loss for the first three but it was like a bomb went off for the last and that scared me off. I wasn't on fin at the time.  I did experiment with some of the pro steroids while they were still legal and had more sides.

I've considered a test run with fin and an anti-e to keep the estrogen and dht down.  Previously, I ran test, debol, deca cycle for twelve weeks. Pretty standard stuff. All my cycles were pretty much like this except I threw a little anadrol into one of them in place of front loading with dbol.  I loved test and remember the feeling and that makes it pretty temping to pin again-especially as I'm getting older.  Sorry for the novel.


I've heard that from several guys about being fine, no hair loss and then massive shedding all of a sudden.

I think you'd be alright with some test. Maybe prop in case you don't react well to it you can just drop it and it'll be out of your system quick. But with the finasteride blocking dht I doubt you'd feel the same effects you felt back when you cycled without it. Still be able to make some good gains though and keep the hair on your head.


Title: Re: AAS & Hair Loss
Post by: Primemuscle on April 08, 2013, 11:22:36 PM
fuck

Or no fuck, depending on where your testosterone is and how the Arimidex affects you.


Title: Re: AAS & Hair Loss
Post by: Christo on April 09, 2013, 10:04:49 AM
the first one is definitely not hair friendly if ur prone to hairloss

second im not sure

Why is the first cycle not hair friendly? deca is hairfriendly. Primo is not hairfriendly or am i wrong? ???


Title: Re: AAS & Hair Loss
Post by: Christo on April 09, 2013, 10:06:23 AM
It's been months and poor christo still hasn't made up his mind.

I know it bro... i am still doubing which is the best choice for me.... :-\


Title: Re: AAS & Hair Loss
Post by: Christo on April 09, 2013, 10:07:43 AM
Admittedly, I put it off for years thinking I'd be bald anyway and start then. Haven't gone bald yet but lost motivation for the gym like you did. You know...natural limit.

And don't worry man...not everyone will get gyno after stopping adex. A lot of people have been able to get off it w.o developing it.

Come on, try some little roids, time is going quick..... ;)


Title: Re: AAS & Hair Loss
Post by: Borracho on April 09, 2013, 10:16:04 AM
Come on, try some little roids, time is going quick..... ;)

no way man...I rather stay natural.


Title: Re: AAS & Hair Loss
Post by: Christo on April 10, 2013, 04:21:39 AM
no way man...I rather stay natural.

why? afraid for hairloss or other seroius health issues?

I can imagine...


Title: Re: AAS & Hair Loss
Post by: Christo on April 10, 2013, 04:25:18 AM
I know i am a coward with AAS but i still don;t know what's the best choice for me

-I am 42 years old and i had a HIT 10 years ago, next year i am planning another one (and the last)

I want to gain 6 kg lean muscles without hairloss and libido problems.

What is the best choice for me? i am training alreay 25 years and my bodyweight is 97 kg with BF 17%

Who can advise me? ???


Title: Re: AAS & Hair Loss
Post by: anabolichalo on April 10, 2013, 09:39:26 AM
I know i am a coward with AAS but i still don;t know what's the best choice for me

-I am 42 years old and i had a HIT 10 years ago, next year i am planning another one (and the last)

I want to gain 6 kg lean muscles without hairloss and libido problems.

What is the best choice for me? i am training alreay 25 years and my bodyweight is 97 kg with BF 17%

Who can advise me? ???
i thought i had it figured out

*test enanthate (maximal 500mg)
*finasteride 2.5mg
*arimidex to balance the estrogenization

but turns out that arimidex is pandora box


interested in seeing final solution


Title: Re: AAS & Hair Loss
Post by: Christo on April 11, 2013, 10:51:00 AM
i thought i had it figured out

*test enanthate (maximal 500mg)
*finasteride 2.5mg
*arimidex to balance the estrogenization

but turns out that arimidex is pandora box


interested in seeing final solution


I am doubing about adding primo or deca...


Title: Re: AAS & Hair Loss
Post by: anabolichalo on April 11, 2013, 10:53:44 AM

I am doubing about adding primo or deca...
it's pretty well established deca with finasteride is a big NONO

and since you cant take deca without testosterone....

deca is pretty much no option, since you cant take test without finasteride if you're prone to hairloss and trying to maintain hair

i believe primobolan is a dht derivate and so it would bypass the finasteride dht forming blocking mechanism


Title: Re: AAS & Hair Loss
Post by: Christo on April 11, 2013, 11:56:27 AM
it's pretty well established deca with finasteride is a big NONO

and since you cant take deca without testosterone....

deca is pretty much no option, since you cant take test without finasteride if you're prone to hairloss and trying to maintain hair

i believe primobolan is a dht derivate and so it would bypass the finasteride dht forming blocking mechanism

Yeahh, and deca only is not wise (deca dick) anavar is also dht derivate.
Primo is not a dht derivate but dhb derivate...
Maybe Equipose

Or Test 250 mg + 30 mg anavar per day+ 1 mg fina?


Title: Re: AAS & Hair Loss
Post by: anabolichalo on April 11, 2013, 11:57:13 AM
Yeahh, and deca only is not wise (deca dick) anavar is also dht derivate.
Primo is not a dht derivate but dhb derivate...
Maybe Equipose

Or Test 250 mg + 30 mg anavar per day+ 1 mg fina?
the way i see it theoretically test + finasteride is the only option


Title: Re: AAS & Hair Loss
Post by: Archer77 on April 11, 2013, 11:58:47 AM
the way i see it theoretically test + finasteride is the only option

Anavar


Title: Re: AAS & Hair Loss
Post by: anabolichalo on April 11, 2013, 11:59:30 AM
Anavar
is a dht derivate so will still cause hairloss

i think


Title: Re: AAS & Hair Loss
Post by: Christo on April 11, 2013, 12:08:33 PM
is a dht derivate so will still cause hairloss

i think

TBol..........


Title: Re: AAS & Hair Loss
Post by: anabolichalo on April 11, 2013, 12:09:57 PM
TBol..........
explain, i dont know this one


Title: Re: AAS & Hair Loss
Post by: Christo on April 11, 2013, 12:19:20 PM
explain, i dont know this one

TBol=Oral Turinabol.

No dht, no aromatisation,
Androgenic value = zero

In Holland Tbol is not famous because it must be harsh on the liver and the results are not so big. I don't know it.

Below some information about TBoll.
The change for hairloss is very small ;D



Oral-Turinabol

Oral-Turinabol is an oral steroid which was developed during the early 1960's.

Oral-Turinabol has a predominantly anabolic effect which is combined with a relatively low androgenic component. On a scale of 1 to 100 the androgenic effect of Oral-Turinabol is very low -only a 6- and the anabolic effect is 53. (In comparison: the androgenic effect of Dianabol is 45 and its anabolic effect is 90.) Oral-Turinabol thus has milligram for milligram a lower effect than Dianabol. It is therefore not a steroid that causes a rapid gain in strength, weight, and muscle mass. Rather, the achievable results manifest themselves in a solid muscle gain and, if taken over several weeks, also in a good strength gain. The athlete will certainly not get a puffy look as is the case with Testosterone, Dianabol, and Anadrol 50. The maximum blood concentration of Oral-Turinabol when taking 10, 20 or 40 mg/day is 1.5 -3.5 or 4.5 times the endogenous testosterone concentration (also see Dianabol). This clearly shows that the effectiveness of this compound strongly depends on the dosage.

0.4 x pound (body weight) x days = number of tablets to take overall during the interval of intake
mg / tablet


An athlete weighing 200 pounds would take only 4 tablets of 5 mg (20mg/day.) In our experience bodybuilders take 8-10 tablets of 5 mg, that is 40-50 mg/day. Many enthusiastically report good results with this dosage: one builds a solid muscle mass, the strength gain is worthwhile seeing, the water retention is very low, and the estrogen-caused side effects are rare. Not without good reason OT is also popular among powerlifters and weightlifters who appreciate these characteristics.

Due to its characteristics OT is also a suitable steroid both for men and women in competitions. A usually very effective stack for male bodybuilders consists of 50 mg OT/day, 228 mg Parabolan/week, and 150 mg Winstrol Depot/week. Those who have brought their body fat content to a low level by dieting and/or by using fat burning substances (e.g. Clenbuterol, Ephedrine, Salbutamol, Cytomel, Triacana), will find that the above steroid combination will manifest itself in hard, sharply defined but still dense and full muscles. No enlarged breasts, no estrogen surplus, and no watery, puffy looking muscle system. If Oral-Turinabol were available on the U.S. black market for steroids, bodybuilders, powerlifters, and weightlifters would go crazy for this East German anabolic.

Oral-Turinabol enjoys a great popularity since it is quickly broken down by the body and the metabolites are excreted relatively quickly through the urine. The often posed question regarding how many days before a test OT can be taken in order to be "clean" is difficult to answer specifically or in general. We know from a reliable source that athletes who only take OT as a steroid and who, in part, take dosages of 10- 15 tablets/day, have discontinued the compound exactly five days before a doping test and tested negative. These indications are supported by the fact that even positive urine analyses have rarely mentioned the names Oral-Turinabol or chlordehydromethyl-testosterone.

The potential side effects of OT usually depend on the dosage level and are gender-specific. in women, depending on their predisposi-tion, the usual virilization symptoms occur and increase when dos-ages of more than 20 mg per day are taken over a prolonged time. In men the already discussed reduced testosterone production can rarely be avoided. Gynecomastia occurs rarely with OT Since the response of the water and electrolyte household is not overly dis-tinct athletes only rarely report water retention and high blood pressure. Acne, gastrointestinal pain, and uncontrolled aggressive behavior are also the exception rather than the rule with OT An increased libido is reported in most cases by both sexes. Since the substance chlordehydromethyltestos terone is I 7-alpha alkylated the manufacturer in its package insert recommends that the liver func-tion be checked regularly since it can be negatively affected by high dosages and the risk of possible liver damage cannot be excluded. Thus OT is also a steroid that can be taken without interruption for long intervals. Studies of male athletes who over a period of six weeks were given 10 mg OT/day did not show any indications of health-threatening effects.


Title: Re: AAS & Hair Loss
Post by: Archer77 on April 12, 2013, 10:11:53 AM
Forgot to mention something to the members of Team No Hairloss.  Here's the kicker with me and hairloss.  Even before I started thinning badly I had bald patches from alopecia areata. These bald patches would come and go.  Little did I know it was only a prelude to the main event. I'll post a pic later.


Title: Re: Hair Loss
Post by: randy841 on June 08, 2013, 09:29:13 PM
Its available over the counter in Canada. About $14 a bottle.

2 120ml bottles for $18 @ Costco


Title: Re: Hair Loss
Post by: randy841 on June 08, 2013, 10:29:36 PM
I was just thinking about the mechanisms of action that causes hair loss, and obviously DHT is the culprit, we all know this. But if DHT is the culprit, why do people experience hair loss from things like Tren? A 19 nor like deca, just more androgenic...?

I have been thinking of doing an experiment when my next cycle starts. I'll run test e at 125 mg per week, and tren at around 400 mg. This is my first time using tren and my prediction is I shouldn't experience much if any hair loss because the test dose is low enough to not have very much convert to DHT, yet high enough to shut down endo production. If I lose significant amounts of hair then DHT is not the sole cause of hair loss.

I kind of did that "experiment" myself, albeit for a different reason than hair loss (but came to the conclusion you were hypothesizing IMHO), which was to prevent estrogen related sides. Experienced no hair loss nor any sides either as reported by many tren users.

Also used low test w/ tren, eq, and dbol. Again no problems. Presently, upped the Sus from 500mg to 750mg the last few weeks, scalp feeling a little itchy and seems to be shedding a little.

NOTE - that up until now i have done various cycle with tren, eq, dbol, var, and test combos -- with test limited to 500mg (Max total dosage 1500 last year once w/ 20mg dbol for 7 weeks). Anymore than 500mg test, i think i am asking for trouble. To curtail the problem -- may up the deca to a 1000mg wkly from 750mg or and Eq 500mg and reduce deca to 500mg -- 500mg each of test/deca/eq. Not sure what the better option is?

Anyways ...

Only cautionary methodology being used presently - started 2-3 months back, because of the fear of shedding on Winny is Nizoral. After reading this thread now leaving it on for 2 days at a time before washing it out. At first it was itchy, now normalized.

P.S. Looking to add 40mg var - safer than dbol 20mg ed for 8 weeks?


Title: Re: Hair Loss
Post by: randy841 on June 10, 2013, 12:23:59 PM
2 120ml bottles for $18 @ Costco

FYI

That's brand name Nizoral


Title: Re: AAS & Hair Loss
Post by: anabolichalo on June 10, 2013, 12:26:59 PM
is test + finasteride safe?


Title: Re: AAS & Hair Loss
Post by: randy841 on June 10, 2013, 01:17:47 PM
is test + finasteride safe?

yes


Title: Re: AAS & Hair Loss
Post by: anabolichalo on June 10, 2013, 01:18:59 PM
yes
should i consider adding nizoral?

have been doing finasteride 2.5mg with test enanthate 300mg



Title: Re: AAS & Hair Loss
Post by: Primemuscle on June 10, 2013, 06:10:37 PM
is test + finasteride safe?

If you don't mind risking impotency, it is safe.


Title: Re: AAS & Hair Loss
Post by: anabolichalo on June 10, 2013, 09:19:01 PM
If you don't mind risking impotency, it is safe.
i mean safe for your hair when prone to hairloss

i dont care about impotence, there is always cialis


Title: Re: AAS & Hair Loss
Post by: Primemuscle on June 11, 2013, 08:04:07 AM
i mean safe for your hair when prone to hairloss

i dont care about impotence, there is always cialis

Interesting. Most men probably care more about being impotent then having hair on their heads. Most women would rather the man in their life be sexually potent too. BTW, Cialis doesn't work for everyone.


Title: Re: AAS & Hair Loss
Post by: anabolichalo on June 11, 2013, 08:52:43 AM
Interesting. Most men probably care more about being impotent then having hair on their heads. Most women would rather the man in their life be sexually potent too. BTW, Cialis doesn't work for everyone.
the irrational fear of impotence as seen in those who are balding but dont want to try finasteride is "interesting" too...

doesnt make any sense


Title: Re: AAS & Hair Loss
Post by: Archer77 on June 11, 2013, 08:54:48 AM
If you don't mind risking impotency, it is safe.

Risk of impotency is extremely low


Title: Re: AAS & Hair Loss
Post by: Primemuscle on June 11, 2013, 11:01:58 PM
Risk of impotency is extremely low

I could not agree more with you. I took a finasteride for many years because of an enlarged prostrate. I experience impotency which my urologist never suggested was a risk. Maybe he did not think it was worth mentioning. I think it was because I spent a lot of energy thinking my impotency was something I had magically caused by being bisexual, but I could kill him for not mentioning this as a possible side effect.

He retired and I have a new urologist. I no longer take finasteride because I no longer have a prostate.


Title: Re: AAS & Hair Loss
Post by: kreator on June 19, 2013, 08:09:09 AM
anybody know where to acquirre nizoral 2% in europe? is there a good site to order from? tnx


Title: Re: AAS & Hair Loss
Post by: anabolichalo on June 19, 2013, 08:52:46 AM
so if you have MPB but you take 2.5mg finasteride, can you take 300mg testosterone and not go bald?

this fella suggests yes, but what is the getbig verdict

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KV--jyqWQ50


Title: Re: AAS & Hair Loss
Post by: Archer77 on June 19, 2013, 08:56:07 AM
anybody know where to acquirre nizoral 2% in europe? is there a good site to order from? tnx

http://www.antiaging-systems.com/

I've ordered niz and fin here.  I have a script now.


Title: Re: AAS & Hair Loss
Post by: kreator on June 19, 2013, 09:47:24 AM
http://www.antiaging-systems.com/

I've ordered niz and fin here.  I have a script now.

thnx :)


Title: Re: AAS & Hair Loss
Post by: anabolichalo on June 19, 2013, 10:27:39 AM
thnx :)
i used to order online

but i got a script now

do you really want to take a chance when your hair is on the line?


Title: Re: AAS & Hair Loss
Post by: anabolichalo on August 04, 2013, 10:08:57 AM
THE MOST IMPORTANT POST ON HAIRLOSS THE WORLD HAS EVER SEEN IN MY OPINION. IT IS FROM MY MENTOR AND INSPIRATION TO USE STEROIDS.


Finasteride has the same effectiveness regardless of testosterone dose or even for that reason androgen increase in general. The only reason that
many take 2.5mgs instead of the recommended 1mgs for hairloss is because  you want to inhibit that 57-60% of total DHT which essentially equals to 
100% inhibition of the 5AR2 enzyme inhibition which is the active DHT that causes attributes to hair loss. Therefore if with 0.5 mgs you inhibit 50% of DHT by 5AR2 inhibition and by injecting 1 gram of test would have still had that 5-10% 5AR2 DHT and therefore as an overall total mgs due to higher testosterone reduced in essence you still run the danger of excess 5AR2 DHT. Now above 5mgs a day of finasteride which is the dose used for prostate anyway, is a waste.

2.5mgs per day sufficient in any case regardell of how much testosterone you wish to take. The hair will only be dependent from the direct stimulation of testosterone on the androgen receptor since the same receptor is used by DHT in the first place. Finasteride only works after being on it at least 0.5mgs ED for a year straight and it is for life. No off periods can be taken. if you are stabilised at 2.5mgs ED you can inject as much testosterone as you like. In fact many times I am on 1400mgs proviron alone. AAS are irrelevant once finasteride halts hair loss. AAS do not cause alopecia only attribute to it by being reduced to DHT or by direct stimulation of the androgen receptor but that to a very lesser degree. In other words you might decide to take 3 grams of test for 16 weeks it will make no difference to hair loss but your hair will appear to be thinner from direct androgen receptor stimulation.


Title: Re: AAS & Hair Loss
Post by: Primemuscle on August 04, 2013, 08:15:54 PM
I lost most of my hair this morning when I shaved my head.  ;D

Now I don't have to worry about combing it anymore.


Title: Re: AAS & Hair Loss
Post by: anabolichalo on August 06, 2013, 12:04:13 PM
I lost most of my hair this morning when I shaved my head.  ;D

Now I don't have to worry about combing it anymore.
do people actually comb their norwood 17 toilet seat then ???


Title: Re: AAS & Hair Loss
Post by: Christo on August 14, 2013, 12:38:08 PM
What about gyno through finasteride?

Thet say that the herb Red Maca lowers the DHT level generally in the body
Any experiences wit Red Maca


Title: Re: AAS & Hair Loss
Post by: anabolichalo on August 14, 2013, 12:47:02 PM
What about gyno through finasteride?

Thet say that the herb Red Maca lowers the DHT level generally in the body
Any experiences wit Red Maca
why would you look for other things that lower dht

when there are drugs proven to do so effectively


Title: Re: AAS & Hair Loss
Post by: randy841 on October 06, 2013, 08:59:18 PM
Since both deca/trenbolone are 19-nortestosterone derivatives

Test + Deca + Fina = Common anecdotal evidence says no to this combo

Test + Tren + Fina = Same scenario here?


Title: Re: AAS & Hair Loss
Post by: Borracho on October 07, 2013, 02:48:48 PM
That's what they say, I'm too scared to try on myself.


Title: Re: AAS & Hair Loss
Post by: anabolichalo on October 07, 2013, 02:52:20 PM
Since both deca/trenbolone are 19-nortestosterone derivatives

Test + Deca + Fina = Common anecdotal evidence says no to this combo

Test + Tren + Fina = Same scenario here?
this is dumb

finasteride cant protect against tren

and deca disables finasteride

no matter how you turn it, test is the only way to go with finasteride


but the good part is you can run as much as you want and 3-4 grams should get you big enough


Title: Re: AAS & Hair Loss
Post by: Christo on October 16, 2013, 12:48:53 PM
this is dumb

finasteride cant protect against tren

and deca disables finasteride

no matter how you turn it, test is the only way to go with finasteride


but the good part is you can run as much as you want and 3-4 grams should get you big enough


Topical RU helps for sure (people say..)
Ru blocks the dht only in your scalp without other negative side effects

http://anageninc.com/home-page-products/ru-solution-50ml.html


Title: Re: AAS & Hair Loss
Post by: Christo on November 03, 2013, 08:26:45 AM
Somebody known with 5% Spironolactone anti DHT solution?


Title: Re: AAS & Hair Loss
Post by: anabolichalo on November 12, 2013, 11:38:18 AM
Somebody known with 5% Spironolactone anti DHT solution?
i bought topical spironolactone once

but in the end i used it only a few days before saying fuck it

just not practical and theory doesnt seem convincing


maybe tho i should add it to my finasteride regimen for good measure


Title: Re: AAS & Hair Loss
Post by: Primemuscle on November 12, 2013, 08:57:24 PM
i bought topical spironolactone once

but in the end i used it only a few days before saying fuck it

just not practical and theory doesnt seem convincing


maybe tho i should add it to my finasteride regimen for good measure

I've posted this before, but it seems appropriate to do it again. I was on Proscar, which is the brand name for Finasteride for a several decades to help control an enlarged prostate. It did nothing for me with regards to hair loss.


Title: Re: AAS & Hair Loss
Post by: anabolichalo on November 12, 2013, 10:22:32 PM
I've posted this before, but it seems appropriate to do it again. I was on Proscar, which is the brand name for Finasteride for a several decades to help control an enlarged prostate. It did nothing for me with regards to hair loss.
doesnt do something once you're already bald


Title: Re: AAS & Hair Loss
Post by: Primemuscle on November 12, 2013, 10:33:24 PM
doesnt do something once you're already bald

Not according to my doctor.

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Studies have shown that after five years of treatment, 90% of men taking finasteride maintained their hair or increased hair growth. At five years, 48% of men treated with Propecia demonstrated an increase in hair growth, 42% were rated as having no change (no further visible progression of hair loss from baseline) and 10% were rated as having lost hair when compared to baseline.


Title: Re: AAS & Hair Loss
Post by: Archer77 on November 13, 2013, 04:44:30 AM
Not according to my doctor.


Finasteride probably wouldn't have done much for you because of the stage of hair loss you were at when you began treatment. Most of your hair was miniaturized beyond the point of no return.  Fin also effects some men differently, if you have particularly aggressive genetic hair loss the benefits you receive from fin will be minimal.


Title: Re: AAS & Hair Loss
Post by: anabolichalo on November 13, 2013, 09:46:21 AM
your doctor is a moron then

finasteride can  not grow back hair that is gone


the best case scenario is it can save a hair that was on its way out


Title: Re: AAS & Hair Loss
Post by: Primemuscle on November 13, 2013, 11:56:19 AM
Finasteride probably wouldn't have done much for you because of the stage of hair loss you were at when you began treatment. Most of your hair was miniaturized beyond the point of no return.  Fin also effects some men differently, if you have particularly aggressive genetic hair loss the benefits you receive from fin will be minimal.

All of this accurately describes my situation. I started losing my hair in my late teens. By my mid twenties I was bald on top. It was not cause by steroid use, although this might have accelerated the hair loss. Even when I had a full head of hair it was baby fine.

I didn't start using Proscar until I was in my late thirties. My doctor half-jokingly suggest one side benefit would be hair growth. I guess if you count a couple of sprouts regrowth, he was right. I still kept my buzz cut hair style.

Personally, I don't see what the big deal is when it comes to male pattern baldness.


Title: Re: AAS & Hair Loss
Post by: anabolichalo on November 13, 2013, 11:59:23 AM
All of this accurately describes my situation. I started losing my hair in my late teens. By my mid twenties I was bald on top. It was not cause by steroid use, although this might have accelerated the hair loss. Even when I had a full head of hair it was baby fine.

I didn't start using Proscar until I was in my late thirties. My doctor half-jokingly suggest one side benefit would be hair growth. I guess if you count a couple of sprouts regrowth, he was right. I still kept my buzz cut hair style.

Personally, I don't see what the big deal is when it comes to male pattern baldness.
then you must be blind

see the difference

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJgSiwDdcok


Title: Re: AAS & Hair Loss
Post by: Primemuscle on November 13, 2013, 12:06:11 PM
your doctor is a moron then

finasteride can  not grow back hair that is gone


the best case scenario is it can save a hair that was on its way out

You are taking what my doctor jokingly told me way more seriously than I did. Proscar actually did grow some hair on my head....about a dozen hairs altogether.  ;D

The quote I inserted is not from my doctor. It is from the web. It too was not meant to be taken seriously. But if you read it you'll see that no claims of actually recovering a full head of hair are made. In fact less then 50% of people taking finasteride actually regrow hair.

I was genetically destined to be bald and I am fine with it. For me to be upset about it would be asinine since nothing can be done about it that is practical or within the scope of things I would ever do. For example, I would never have a transplant or wear a toupee. If I really felt the need to sport hair for a day, I'd buy some crazy wig and wear it like one wears a hat. And I do wear hats when I it is cold out or I don't want too much sun on my head and sometimes when I just feel like a change.


Title: Re: AAS & Hair Loss
Post by: Primemuscle on November 13, 2013, 12:22:07 PM
then you must be blind

see the difference

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJgSiwDdcok


Wow! I am impressed. Do you think a hairpiece would do this for me? How much do they cost? When can I get one right now?




Title: Re: AAS & Hair Loss
Post by: anabolichalo on November 13, 2013, 12:27:37 PM

Wow! I am impressed. Do you think a hairpiece would do this for me? How much do they cost? When can I get one right now?



i think it looks spectacular

but i could not live with a hair piece

i would rather kill myself right now




Title: Re: AAS & Hair Loss
Post by: Primemuscle on November 13, 2013, 12:33:14 PM
i think it looks spectacular

but i could not live with a hair piece

i would rather kill myself right now




Well don't kill yourself. It's not as bad as you think. Anyway, when you get to be my age a little hair or no hair is not such a big deal anymore. Like me, you'll be content just to be yourself. Fortunately, my wife is one of those women who think bald dudes look sexy. I don't think she would like me with hair. In the end, this is what really counts.

I'm too fidgety to wear a hair piece. I'd probably absentmindedly pull it off in the middle of a nice dinner out, freaking out the other clientele in the restaurant. LOL.


Title: Re: AAS & Hair Loss
Post by: anabolichalo on November 13, 2013, 12:41:04 PM
Well don't kill yourself. It's not as bad as you think. Anyway, when you get to be my age a little hair or no hair is not such a big deal anymore. Like me, you'll be content just to be yourself. Fortunately, my wife is one of those women who think bald dudes look sexy. I don't think she would like me with hair. In the end, this is what really counts.

I'm too fidgety to wear a hair piece. I'd probably absentmindedly pull it off in the middle of a nice dinner out, freaking out the other clientele in the restaurant. LOL.
i mean that

being bald must suck

but wearing a hair piece is crossing a line

beyond that point suicide is the next step


Title: Re: AAS & Hair Loss
Post by: Teutonic Knight on November 13, 2013, 12:50:22 PM

i would rather kill myself right now


Just do it don't be pussy.


Title: Re: AAS & Hair Loss
Post by: Primemuscle on November 13, 2013, 12:54:30 PM
i mean that

being bald must suck

but wearing a hair piece is crossing a line

beyond that point suicide is the next step

It is my wish for you then that you never lose your hair. Obviously having hair is way more important to you then it is to me. But then, I'm a pretty laidback kind of guy.


Title: Re: AAS & Hair Loss
Post by: Christo on November 15, 2013, 08:45:32 AM
Why not using anti androgens dht topic solutions such as RU of Fluridil?


Title: Re: AAS & Hair Loss
Post by: anabolichalo on November 15, 2013, 10:22:17 AM
Why not using anti androgens dht topic solutions such as RU of Fluridil?
interesting

but i guess the answer is most ppl dont bother with drugs that arent recognised by the medical community


Title: Re: AAS & Hair Loss
Post by: Archer77 on November 15, 2013, 10:25:17 AM
Why not using anti androgens dht topic solutions such as RU of Fluridil?

Procuring the chemicals and making a solution is something most people don't want to do.  Making a topical solution really isn't that hard though. Another factor is the lack of clinical studies on these compounds. 


Title: Re: AAS & Hair Loss
Post by: Christo on November 16, 2013, 06:42:33 AM
Procuring the chemicals and making a solution is something most people don't want to do.  Making a topical solution really isn't that hard though. Another factor is the lack of clinical studies on these compounds. 

Not with RU.


Title: Re: AAS & Hair Loss
Post by: Archer77 on November 16, 2013, 06:45:40 AM
Not with RU.

What I'm saying is the average person doesn't want to invest the time or effort.  They either want to buy it off the shelf or have a doctor prescribe it.


Title: Re: AAS & Hair Loss
Post by: Weedlejuice on May 25, 2014, 12:54:23 AM
Eventually I may be bald. I hope to delay that for as long as possible but I would still like to get on some hormones. I was thinking anavar and primo cycles. Just wondering if any of guys have been able to delay mpb or at least minimize it while getting benefits from aas.

From my experience nothing slows it down or speeds it up, just been thinning at a slow steady rate since I was about 21.


Title: Re: AAS & Hair Loss
Post by: residue on June 11, 2014, 07:50:12 AM
ive got a weird one,
my 1st tren cycle i started to thin on front
im now 3 weeks into my 2nd tren cycle(same dose) and no hair loss at all.

would you gather that my hairloss has peaked?


Title: Re: AAS & Hair Loss
Post by: Omega on August 05, 2014, 03:10:26 PM
Anyone considered an FUE?


Title: Re: AAS & Hair Loss
Post by: Primemuscle on August 05, 2014, 04:13:58 PM
Anyone considered an FUE?

Nope. There is not enough hair on my head to do FUE. They'd have to take it off my back or my pubes....that wouldn't make for very nice hair.  ;D


Title: Re: AAS & Hair Loss
Post by: Omega on August 08, 2014, 03:29:39 AM
Nope. There is not enough hair on my head to do FUE. They'd have to take it off my back or my pubes....that wouldn't make for very nice hair.  ;D

Wow you must really be bald as a coot!!
Thinking about having it done myself


Title: Re: AAS & Hair Loss
Post by: Primemuscle on August 08, 2014, 11:49:40 AM
Wow you must really be bald as a coot!!
Thinking about having it done myself

-Pretty much bald as a coot. Head has a decent shape, thank goodness.


Title: Re: AAS & Hair Loss
Post by: Disco187 on July 16, 2015, 06:54:03 AM
i have tried rogain and finasteride, didnt notice any diff, in my opinion rogaine is junk. If i grew my hair i would be using nizoral shampoo.  I have never noticed any juice speeding up the recesion of my hairline.  I have been rocking the bald look since i was young personally i never looked good with hair. but also another tip if you hair is thin ing try to stay away from the wax, that definitely made me shed

Personally if i wanted hair i would just buy a wig and have a good barber blend and color your hair to work with the wig, how do you think celebritites have long hair all the suddon, most celebrities are wearing wigs now a days. sean penn robert dinero tom cruise brad pitt


Title: Re: AAS & Hair Loss
Post by: Omega on December 27, 2015, 12:13:34 PM
i have tried rogain and finasteride, didnt notice any diff, in my opinion rogaine is junk. If i grew my hair i would be using nizoral shampoo.  I have never noticed any juice speeding up the recesion of my hairline.  I have been rocking the bald look since i was young personally i never looked good with hair. but also another tip if you hair is thin ing try to stay away from the wax, that definitely made me shed

Personally if i wanted hair i would just buy a wig and have a good barber blend and color your hair to work with the wig, how do you think celebritites have long hair all the suddon, most celebrities are wearing wigs now a days. sean penn robert dinero tom cruise brad pitt

I thought most of these had hair transplants?


Title: Re: AAS & Hair Loss
Post by: light weight baby on September 25, 2016, 08:53:43 AM
has anyone on here tried deca with fina/duta?

supposedly its real bad for the hair. but theres lots of debate on it


Title: Re: AAS & Hair Loss
Post by: Qwert II on September 25, 2016, 09:13:36 AM
has anyone on here tried deca with fina/duta?

supposedly its real bad for the hair. but theres lots of debate on it

I've been on dudatseride for years & take Deca. No issues what so ever. It's all internet Bro Science.



Title: Re: AAS & Hair Loss
Post by: light weight baby on September 25, 2016, 11:33:57 AM
I've been on dudatseride for years & take Deca. No issues what so ever. It's all internet Bro Science.


how much duta do you take and how much test/deca respectively?

i read the following online


Say (for example) we produce 100mg test per week, AVG 6% conversion to dht rate, 6mg dht per week, now you take 1000mg test per week, 0.5mg dut blocks (for example) 70%, 1000mg test=60mg dht - 70% 5ar inhibition...still getting 18mg of dht, p1ssing into the wind imo, you need more, or just blame the stack of tren/deca instead ;0P....take 2.5mg dut instead, 1000mg test=60mg dht - 90% 5ar inhibition....6mg of dht, much more acceptable.


Title: Re: AAS & Hair Loss
Post by: Qwert II on September 25, 2016, 12:46:23 PM
how much duta do you take and how much test/deca respectively?

i read the following online


Say (for example) we produce 100mg test per week, AVG 6% conversion to dht rate, 6mg dht per week, now you take 1000mg test per week, 0.5mg dut blocks (for example) 70%, 1000mg test=60mg dht - 70% 5ar inhibition...still getting 18mg of dht, p1ssing into the wind imo, you need more, or just blame the stack of tren/deca instead ;0P....take 2.5mg dut instead, 1000mg test=60mg dht - 90% 5ar inhibition....6mg of dht, much more acceptable.


I've been on as little as 1 cap to a high of 3 caps a day for over 10 years.

I take Deca between the 400-600mg range.

If you're worried about hairloss, any cycle will speed it up. All you can do is take precautions, but nothing is a sure bet.

I use Nizoral & dudasteride daily & that helps a lot.

Minoxidil 5% foam is somehwhat helpful as well, but too many sides for me to continue.


Title: Re: AAS & Hair Loss
Post by: light weight baby on September 25, 2016, 06:16:16 PM
I've been on as little as 1 cap to a high of 3 caps a day for over 10 years.

I take Deca between the 400-600mg range.

If you're worried about hairloss, any cycle will speed it up. All you can do is take precautions, but nothing is a sure bet.

I use Nizoral & dudasteride daily & that helps a lot.

Minoxidil 5% foam is somehwhat helpful as well, but too many sides for me to continue.

So in your experience the theiry that using deca with 5ar inhibitor will do unspeakable things to your hairlkne because DHN and whatnot is bullshit?


Title: Re: AAS & Hair Loss
Post by: Qwert II on September 25, 2016, 06:44:56 PM
So in your experience the theiry that using deca with 5ar inhibitor will do unspeakable things to your hairlkne because DHN and whatnot is bullshit?

Yes.

What did do unspeakable things to my hair was proviron. That stuff made my hair fall out in clumps almost immediately & stopped as soon as I stopped taking it.


Title: Re: AAS & Hair Loss
Post by: light weight baby on September 25, 2016, 07:03:22 PM
Yes.

What did do unspeakable things to my hair was proviron. That stuff made my hair fall out in clumps almost immediately & stopped as soon as I stopped taking it.
this stuff is so hard to understand. i read one guy say proviron is safe because its dht1 not dht



Title: Re: AAS & Hair Loss
Post by: Qwert II on September 25, 2016, 08:36:01 PM
this stuff is so hard to understand. i read one guy say proviron is safe because its dht1 not dht



I also heard a guy say that Test is for bulking & winstrol is for cutting & never the 2 shall meet.

Internet advices = bro science 99% of the time.


Title: Re: AAS & Hair Loss
Post by: Tharayman on October 26, 2016, 03:16:23 AM
None of you ever tried Amnexil or the research chemical RU58841 ?
Amnexil is something Loreal invented for their haircare products but has not been accepted as a medical treatment for hairloss, but supposedly very benefical for hair and scalp!

RU58841 is something I have just heard about myself. It is supposed to a damn good local 5-Alpha inhibitor!


Title: Re: AAS & Hair Loss
Post by: jon cole on October 26, 2016, 06:04:11 AM
6 years ago 8 week of tren e made me losing a lot of hair. No much hair loss since. But at the end of these 8 week i realised how much i lost, i was pretty disapointted.


Title: Re: AAS & Hair Loss
Post by: subunit on August 14, 2017, 03:13:37 PM
Ive cycled almost every compound out there over the last 10yrs. I would say I am prone eventually...as we all are with time. Masteron caused mild shedding. Winny was extreme shedding. Tren and primo were low shedding. after a 2 yr break with no compounds ran anywhere that shed thickened up and grew back bold again.

Cruised for 4yrs on half gram of test wk...next to no shedding beyond normal.