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I believe in gh15
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religion is for the weak.
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Sure do.
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:D :D
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Why would I "believe" in the guy who cuts my lawn?
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yes
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hahahahaha
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nope!
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That picture always delivers for a good hearty laugh out loud moment. 8)
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I believe in gh15
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And heaven is anywhere where you can purchase pharm-grade without any legal issues. Just walk into the store, purchase a vial, and inject myself right there in the pharmacy. Maybe even get a hand from one of the technicians.
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I live in the south, so, i have to believe in GODDDDDDDDD :o :o
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dont want to start a rally here, but it's hard to dispute historically that there was a man named Jesus who did great miracles. Do your research if you want facts on this. Whether you believe who he claimed to be is up to you, but there was a Jesus Christ.
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dont want to start a rally here, but it's hard to dispute historically that there was a man named Jesus who did great miracles. Do your research if you want facts on this. Whether you believe who he claimed to be is up to you, but there was a Jesus Christ.
Amen brother!
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No doubt in my mind.
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Careful with your replies boys and girls....
they will come back to haunt you ~
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And heaven is anywhere where you can purchase pharm-grade without any legal issues. Just walk into the store, purchase a vial, and inject myself right there in the pharmacy. Maybe even get a hand from one of the technicians.
Trying to transform yourself into an Alpha with gear won't work. Once a beta always a beta, sucks for you.
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I believe in the teachings of Jesus.
What I don't believe in are teachings made up about Jesus, centuries later, such as the trinity, God needing a blood sacrifice to forgive us of our sins, and original sin, to name a few.
None of which Jesus taught or were believed by the actual followers of Christ or the early Christians.
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There is no historical proof, outside the bible, that a man named Jesus was creating such havoc during those times. And of course, the earliest writings from the bible weren't written until 200 years or so after Jesus allegedly died.
The romans documented things quite well too. Perhaps the Romans burned any mention of the man, but we'll never know for sure if that is why no proof has ever been found.
I do not believe in Jesus but have no problem with those that do. His "bio" has too many similarities to other folks who pre-dated him by 100's if not 1000's of years. All born of virgins, son of God, performed miracles, died on a crucifix,etc etc to be a coincidence.
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Didn't read all the usual dross and drivel. I suggest you pussbags start a thread on homohammed and the foul stench that is islime. Religion? I put no stock in religion and even less in the intelligence of my fellow man and with what I do and whom I associate with in the real world I know some pretty intelligent people.
Some of them have their hope in the Christ. Those few that I know to be real Christians are good people. Fuck islime and muslimes. Remember little boys, Christians may pray for you but muslimes will prey on you. In the real world, which would you rather have around? And don't give me that fuck all retard answer, "none" because that ain't gonna cut it. Fake christians suck ass, but the genuine item makes for good people.
The ones I know don't try to convert me with anything more than their decency. In other words, they live their faith and in doing so give me hope for mankind.
Fuck all but some of you mongoloids are rude little pricklets. ;D
Now then. Fuck islime and all that follow that shit, you bunch of tbombz wannabeez. ;)
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There is no historical proof, outside the bible, that a man named Jesus was creating such havoc during those times. And of course, the earliest writings from the bible weren't written until 200 years or so after Jesus allegedly died.
The romans documented things quite well too. Perhaps the Romans burned any mention of the man, but we'll never know for sure if that is why no proof has ever been found.
I do not believe in Jesus but have no problem with those that do. His "bio" has too many similarities to other folks who pre-dated him by 100's if not 1000's of years. All born of virgins, son of God, performed miracles, died on a crucifix,etc etc to be a coincidence.
There is a place called Israel, there is a city named Jeruselem. If you were to trace back the historical events of the life of Jesus, it is solid. As I mentioned before, you may not believe who he claimed to be, or his teachings, or Who sent him, but the evidence that, at the least, Jesus of Nazareth existed. They hated him then, and they hate him now. No one in the history of human kind has impacted people like Jesus. Why do we call it the year 2011 AD? Time was rewritten because of him.
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I believe that your other *god* Gh15 just recently talked about "Jesus of Nazareth" ~ did he not?
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I believe that your other *god* Gh15 just recently talked about "Jesus of Nazareth" ~ did he not?
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There is a place called Israel, there is a city named Jeruselem. If you were to trace back the historical events of the life of Jesus, it is solid. As I mentioned before, you may not believe who he claimed to be, or his teachings, or Who sent him, but the evidence that, at the least, Jesus of Nazareth existed. They hated him then, and they hate him now. No one in the history of human kind has impacted people like Jesus. Why do we call it the year 2011 AD? Time was rewritten because of him.
LOL, lots of brainwashed bullshit.
Hitler and Ghengis Khan have impacted mankind more than Jesus.
As for chronology, maybe you'd like to read up a bit upon why it is "2011 ad" now, and since when this is in use, i think it has been for less than 1000 years, people in the middle ages didn't use this calendar. People all over the world use different calendars, in Japan this year is Heisei 23, some countries use the Buddhist calendar, or Islamic calendar and so on. 2011 is only used in the western world and in other countries becasue it is used in the western world.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chronology
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gregorian_calendar
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Hitler and Khan were big, I hear you, but people aren't gathering daily worldwide to praise their names like Christ.
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Hitler and Khan were big, I hear you, but people aren't gathering daily worldwide to praise their names like Christ.
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You gotta be stupid to put them in same category.
There are more people who are actively working against what Hitler stands for than people believing in Jesus. So they have more influence than Jesus.
Christianity has a history of not even 2000 years, specifically speaking more something like 1600 years, religioulsy speaking Buddhism has a much longer history, the ancient egyptian gods had a longer history and so on....
Saying that Jesus is the single one human that has impacted mankind the most is more than ridiculous.
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LOL, lots of brainwashed bullshit.
Hitler and Ghengis Khan have impacted mankind more than Jesus.
As for chronology, maybe you'd like to read up a bit upon why it is "2011 ad" now, and since when this is in use, i think it has been for less than 1000 years, people in the middle ages didn't use this calendar. People all over the world use different calendars, in Japan this year is Heisei 23, some countries use the Buddhist calendar, or Islamic calendar and so on. 2011 is only used in the western world and in other countries becasue it is used in the western world.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chronology
http://en.. wikipedia.org/wiki/Gregorian_calendar
Hmmmm... It all depends upon what you mean by "impacted". If by that you mean "killed" or "tortured", or "destroyed lives", then by all means yes, those two shit heaps did do more to impact the world than Jesus of Nazareth. So did that fucking retard homohammed. Worhtless, pedophile assclown that he was.
If you meant changed lives for the better or (if you believe the Bible) healed the sick, raised the dead, gave sight to the blind and hope to who knows how many people, then nope. The Christ is a better choice than your two murderous fucktards. Remember, I'm an atheist. I'm just not an asshole about it. No.... Wait. I am an asshole but only to fake believers, muslimes and the like.
Because they deserve it. ;D
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Hmmmm... It all depends upon what you mean by "impacted". If by that you mean "killed" or "tortured", or "destroyed lives", then by all means yes, those two shit heaps did do more to impact the world than Jesus of Nazareth. So did that fucking retard homohammed. Worhtless, pedophile assclown that he was.
If you meant changed lives for the better or (if you believe the Bible) healed the sick, raised the dead, gave sight to the blind and hope to who knows how many people, then nope. The Christ is a better choice than your two murderous fucktards. Remember, I'm an atheist. I'm just not an asshole about it. No.... Wait. I am an asshole but only to fake believers, muslimes and the like.
Because they deserve it. ;D
Still bullshit, same can be said about Buddha, Gandhi or Zoroasther, it's just different times, different cultures that make you think "Jesus is the most important person ever", because you have been brainwashed to believe this from day one by your parents, school teachers, president, priests and TV.
Ask someone in Thailand, Oman, Peking who is the no 1 most impact having person in history and you'll get a different answer in every place.
The western-centric, christianity based view is limiting your view of the world, time to open up and think different.
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There is a place called Israel, there is a city named Jeruselem. If you were to trace back the historical events of the life of Jesus, it is solid. As I mentioned before, you may not believe who he claimed to be, or his teachings, or Who sent him, but the evidence that, at the least, Jesus of Nazareth existed. They hated him then, and they hate him now. No one in the history of human kind has impacted people like Jesus. Why do we call it the year 2011 AD? Time was rewritten because of him.
My point wasn't about Israel or Jeruselem. The key passage was "outside of the bible there is no historical proof of a man named Jesus" running amok during that time period in those towns he was purported to be.
Yes, the story of Jesus is the greatest story every told. BUT it wasn't the first time that story WAS told. There were 13 other messiahs before him with the same story.
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Still bullshit, same can be said about Buddha, Gandhi or Zoroasther, it's just different times, different cultures that make you think "Jesus is the most important person ever", because you have been brainwashed to believe this from day one by your parents, school teachers, president, priests and TV.
Ask someone in Thailand, Oman, Peking who is the no 1 most impact having person in history and you'll get a different answer in every place.
The western-centric, christianity based view is limiting your view of the world, time to open up and think different.
THANK YOU!!!
ask anyone in the arab world about "christian americans" and they'll say "it's proven that they have no shame, have sex with animals, are extremely dirty and smelly and never bathe, sell their daughrters and wives for sex, have no dignity, and their ultimate goal in life is to destroy us"... and this is "easily proven" with "documents" ... LOOOOOOL
all brainwashing and inbreeding genetics
religion of peace ::)
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Do I beleive in jesus? Hell yes I do. I loaned him the crowbar to get them damn nails out of his hands!
Crucified and all he got was a lousy T-shirt.
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I believe that your other *god* Gh15 just recently talked about "Jesus of Nazareth" ~ did he not?
I don't know.
Let me help you with your "quotes"
And here is his: "very very wrong pupil,, very very wrong,, high trenbolona ace = better fucks,, harder fucks,, and really need! to fuck ,, you will hav eot hav eporn on computer woman wont be able to keep up,,trenbolona = jesus from nazareth blood in a vial"
gh15 approved
{Ironic how his signature is "fallen angel" (which was Lucifer) and he still puts *jesus* in high regard} Scary man.
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yea jesus gonzales lol I know him in prison for trafficking cocain
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THANK YOU!!!
ask anyone in the arab world about "christian americans" and they'll say "it's proven that they have no shame, have sex with animals, are extremely dirty and smelly and never bathe, sell their daughrters and wives for sex, have no dignity, and their ultimate goal in life is to destroy us"... and this is "easily proven" with "documents" ... LOOOOOOL
all brainwashing and inbreeding genetics
religion of peace ::)
Funny thing is that many describe themselves...and damn they sure do like our porn...
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If jesus was suffering from depression would it be blasphemy if he didnt beleive in himself?
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Jesus = Alexis Texas
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No, he lies about his dose
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very little evidence he once lived.
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very little evidence he once lived.
In 3000 years humans will find some "Superman" comic books somewhere preserved and think that humans in our time all hailed a alien that protected the earth.
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In 3000 years humans will find some "Superman" comic books somewhere preserved and think that humans in our time all hailed a alien that protected the earth.
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don't think so because we allready know he's fictional today so it's in the records ;D, and 2011 is allready technological era, I don't think the early 20th century will be wiped off from the records.
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don't think so because we allready know he's fictional today so it's in the records ;D, and 2011 is allready technological era, I don't think the early 20th century will be wiped off from the records.
Oh, don't bet on that!
Stone has a preservation ability of a few 1000 years, paper of a few hundred, 3"5 floppy disks are gone after a few 10 years, same with CDs.
For reading out a hard disk, you would need the system, i wonder if anyone still has a copy of "Windows XP" in 3423 AD. :o :o :o
We might be very well wiped out from history, chances for that are much higher than with the ancient Romans.
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I believe in tito24.
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Yes
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Part of me wants to believe in some form of God, perhaps it is fear of nothingness in death
the other part of me is like:
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Part of me wants to believe in some form of God, perhaps it is fear of nothingness in death
the other part of me is like:
There must be a creator that started all this, it's just not fairy tale stuff that Christians beleive in , each to there own though :)
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Oh, don't bet on that!
Stone has a preservation ability of a few 1000 years, paper of a few hundred, 3"5 floppy disks are gone after a few 10 years, same with CDs.
For reading out a hard disk, you would need the system, i wonder if anyone still has a copy of "Windows XP" in 3423 AD. :o :o :o
We might be very well wiped out from history, chances for that are much higher than with the ancient Romans.
the whole system is inside a computer program, people will be more knowledgable in the future aswell, believe me. I'm much more smarter than the avarage guy of my age was in 1950's, not to mention in 3000. Allready people are knowledgable about ancient past and ancient times didn't even have computers.
I don't think dvd's or bluerays will be used in 3000, but they aren't forgotten. The 20 year olds then will most likely do "old" jokes using them but that's about it, it's not forgotten or wiped out of the data base. People will know what people did 1000 years ago in 3000 :D
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the whole system is inside a computer program, people will be more knowledgable in the future aswell, believe me. I'm much more smarter than the avarage guy of my age was in 1950's, not to mention in 3000. Allready people are knowledgable about ancient past and ancient times didn't even have computers.
I don't think dvd's or bluerays will be used in 3000, but they aren't forgotten. The 20 year olds then will most likely do "old" jokes using them but that's about it, it's not forgotten or wiped out of the data base. People will know what people did 1000 years ago in 3000 :D
Imagine you find a beta-max vide cassette today or a 5" floppy disk, you will have big problems to get the info, no way people in 1000 years will have beta-max video recorders or shit like this.
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Imagine you find a beta-max vide cassette today or a 5" floppy disk, you will have big problems to get the info, no way people in 1000 years will have beta-max video recorders or shit like this.
wikipedia and google will give the information today allready, even youtube, youtube has videos about every topic you can think of with your brain and has been doing so for some years now and people allready are thinking it's kind of old news to get information fast.
Technologicly the machinery will be repalced and people most likely don't know/care about how things worked 1000 years ago, but the consepts won't be forgotten.
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NASTY JESUS & STUPID ADVISE
http://www.skeptically.org/newtestament/id12.html
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this thread will BE THE INTERNET by the end of this business day
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this thread will BE THE INTERNET by the end of this business day
And you will still believe in something without proof by the end this business day.
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Uncle Anton, is that you...? :-\
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And you will still believe in something without proof by the end this business day.
whether I believe in a higher power or not doesn't stop the fact that this thread will be a ten page copy/paste fest involving tbombz and some other 2 dudes by the end of tommorow
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why is it so embarrasing to admit you believe?
Lol at "higher power" ::)
I my self do believe in god and jesus christ and I feel it's all true. Take it as you please, it don't mean nothing.
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i've admitted several times that I believe in something bigger than me
in terms of what I call he/she/it, that is just a matter of semantics- "God", "Higher Power", "Yehwah"....all the same thing
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I believe in something bigger then me: me after the next cycle...hahahahahahah :-X :-X
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ok ok let me do you ok, let me do you; Yeah I don't believe necessarily in god, but I do believe in higher power of something, like some sort of energy intelligence that is making planets collide in a zyndex galaxy and moving very fast through time, yeah, that makes so much sense.
keep the faith, philosophers ::)
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Religion was created by men to control the weak and give others a better feeling about death.
Jesus is about as real as the Easter bunny, Santa Claus, tooth fairy or boogie men.
If people want to believe in Jesus or whatever, that's fine, but don't try to preach that shit to me because i don't want to hear it.
There were many historians around during the time Jesus was claimed to be in existence and not a single one of them ever documented anything about him. It wasn't until many years later that man created Jesus and the whole calender argument is stupid as fuck. The bible was put together from a bunch of wild "tall tales" to give people in power control over the masses.
Do some real research on the matter and then tell me he's real.
Now i do believe there is something bigger than me, but whether it's God or some alien transmitting mind control methods to us via Sevestase is up in the air. It seems to me that there must be something better than us out there but it may not be of this world or even of this dimension. There could be Gods all around us for all we know, but the fact remains that there is zero proof of any of this and people use faith to guide them.
Do as you wish with your life, but don't force me or my children to believe in any of this nonsense. More people have been killed in the name of God than any other being and there are over 20,000 different Gods on this planet. oh brother
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sheesh..
ok ok let me do you ok, let me do you; Yeah I don't believe necessarily in god, but I do believe in higher power of something, like some sort of energy intelligence that is making planets collide in a zyndex galaxy and moving very fast through time, yeah, that makes so much sense.
keep the faith, philosophers ::)
Hahahaha epic ;D ;D
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Still bullshit, same can be said about Buddha, Gandhi or Zoroasther, it's just different times, different cultures that make you think "Jesus is the most important person ever", because you have been brainwashed to believe this from day one by your parents, school teachers, president, priests and TV. Ask someone in Thailand, Oman, Peking who is the no 1 most impact having person in history and you'll get a different answer in every place.
The western-centric, christianity based view is limiting your view of the world, time to open up and think different.
EXACTLY. Brainwashing has been passed down from generation too generation, its not our " parents " faults or ones to blame, thats just how they were raised, and so on. When were little, our minds are sponges, and simply believe anything were told, and those believes are forever stained into our minds/thought process. Ive been on medication for 6 years trying to unbrainwash/unpoison my mind from religion.
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Religion was created by men to control the weak and give others a better feeling about death.
Jesus is about as real as the Easter bunny, Santa Claus, tooth fairy or boogie men.
If people want to believe in Jesus or whatever, that's fine, but don't try to preach that shit to me because i don't want to hear it.
There were many historians around during the time Jesus was claimed to be in existence and not a single one of them ever documented anything about him. It wasn't until many years later that man created Jesus and the whole calender argument is stupid as fuck. The bible was put together from a bunch of wild "tall tales" to give people in power control over the masses.
Do some real research on the matter and then tell me he's real.
Now i do believe there is something bigger than me, but whether it's God or some alien transmitting mind control methods to us via Sevestase is up in the air. It seems to me that there must be something better than us out there but it may not be of this world or even of this dimension. There could be Gods all around us for all we know, but the fact remains that there is zero proof of any of this and people use faith to guide them.
Do as you wish with your life, but don't force me or my children to believe in any of this nonsense. More people have been killed in the name of God than any other being and there are over 20,000 different Gods on this planet. oh brother
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Death= FEAR.......of the UNKNOWN.
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Yes I do and i am a Southern Baptist Christian. Btw it took me many years of internally debating whether or not I believed in God and Jesus until tradegy struck and I was devestated, God helped me through it when I had no one else to turn to. Like most of you all, I felt like I created my own destiny and controlled my life w/o needing help from anyone. if any of you want a testimony of faith or to talk about Chrisitianity just pm me.
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Yes I do and i am a Southern Baptist Christian. Btw it took me many years of internally debating whether or not I believed in God and Jesus until tradegy struck and I was devestated, God helped me through it when I had no one else to turn to. Like most of you all, I felt like I created my own destiny and controlled my life w/o needing help from anyone. if any of you want a testimony of faith or to talk about Chrisitianity just pm me.
pm me your exact location
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Absolutely not.
Was raised a Roman Catholic, but once I matured and gained education/intelligence, I began to understand the huge horseshit that is religion and belief in "gods".
Jesus, if he did exist (which I don't believe), was a normal guy who, as do many preachers today, spouted this and that and had fools fooled. Not difficult to do two thousand years ago when jackasses STILL believe utter nonsense.
Religion is a manmade construct that keeps folks in line and makes a relative few a LOT of money.
And why do people continue to believe the universe had to "start"? Perhaps there was no start. Just like there is a belief among some scientists that there is no end. Humans have too small brains to conceive that something might not have had a beginning. It just always was.
I do believe in electricity and matter. And limitless time.
This Jesus fiasco is mebarrassing. If he did exist, I would have gladly smashed another nail into his tiny tit body.
And while I am at it, fuck that Mohammed cockweasal, too. And all the others.
Time to wake, people.
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Jesus, if he did exist (which I don't believe), was a normal guy who, as do many preachers today, spouted this and that and had fools fooled.
I think he may have been some rebel leader, like Osama, driving the Romans crazy. But there seem to be no historic Roman domuments about Jesus, so the best bet is that he never existed...
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I think he may have been some rebel leader, like Osama, driving the Romans crazy. But there seem to be no historic Roman domuments about Jesus, so the best bet is that he never existed...
Around getbig the absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence.
Although I agree with you.
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Quick , Somebody call National Geographic! The great minds of Getbig have concluded that Jesus never existed!
While I do believe that Catholicism way back in the beginning was developed to consolidate power and the concept of Hell was develop to scare people into following, and the decision to omit certain books like The Book of Enoch, which talked of various dimensions and karmatic endings,
there has yet been no proof that he NEVER existed.
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Holy fuck! Genius!
LOL!
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Quick , Somebody call National Geographic! The great minds of Getbig have concluded that Jesus never existed!
While I do believe that Catholicism way back in the beginning was developed to consolidate power and the concept of Hell was develop to scare people into following, and the decision to omit certain books like The Book of Enoch, which talked of various dimensions and karmatic endings,
there has yet been no proof that he NEVER existed.
All proof that he did shows up over 30 years after his death supposedly. How is that proof of existence in the first place?
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All proof that he did shows up over 30 years after his death supposedly. How is that proof of existence in the first place?
They had to get the story right?
I believe there was a Nat Geo vid on the whole "manger" thing...
I have to find it.
It's kinda like saying that John Henry never existed...when there is no real concrete proof of his birth, and the story of his "race" apparently did happen.
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They had to get the story right?
I believe there was a Nat Geo vid on the whole "manger" thing...
I have to find it.
It's kinda like saying that John Henry never existed...when there is no real concrete proof of his birth, and the story of his "race" apparently did happen.
Did it happen? It's a folk story... Like Paul Bunyan and has big ass ox.
Do you believe that Paul Bunyan lived?
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Did it happen? It's a folk story... Like Paul Bunyan and has big ass ox.
Do you believe that Paul Bunyan lived?
Who knows?
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Henry_(folklore) (http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Henry_(folklore))
and that's a big ass BLUE ox...
Like many myths and legends, they have a element of fact and are sometimes based on events or actual people, like Atlantis. It's gets so hard to seperate fact from fiction because the truth gets so muddied up. Like Shawn Ray allowing his mother to go to jail over drugs, or him with Sasha Ogata, when it was Abbas Khatami (sp) that was in a LT relationship with Sasha. Or SR Ratting to the DEA, or Flex's calf implants (started again by SR).
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Who knows?
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Henry_(folklore) (http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Henry_(folklore))
and that's a big ass BLUE ox...
Like many myths and legends, they have a element of fact and are sometimes based on events or actual people, like Atlantis. It's gets so hard to seperate fact from fiction because the truth gets so muddied up. Like Shawn Ray allowing his mother to go to jail over drugs, or him with Sasha Ogata, when it was Abbas Khatami (sp) that was in a LT relationship with Sasha. Or SR Ratting to the DEA, or Flex's calf implants (started again by SR).
Therein is my point about Jesus... Jesus has a lot of similarities to the Egyptian God Horus... So again... where is the actual truth.
Too much unknown to call any of it "fact".
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I love Jesus.
He's born, I get presents. He dies, I get chocolate.
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Therein is my point about Jesus... Jesus has a lot of similarities to the Egyptian God Horus... So again... where is the actual truth.
Too much unknown to call any of it "fact".
Exactly, and Ra=Zeus=God
and the disciples=Angels=minor gods
The Devil=Bacchus=The Green Man
many things being copied, reformatted, etc...
There is even some credibility that Hercules was based on a soldier, and of course let's not forget King Arthur.
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To conclude or even think for a second a man named Jesus did not exist historically is uttor non-sense
Cornelius Tacitus (55-120 AD), "the greatest historian" of ancient Rome:
"Consequently, to get rid of the report, Nero fastened the guilt and inflicted the most exquisite tortures on a class hated for their abominations, called Christians by the populace. Christus, from whom the name had its origin, suffered the extreme penalty during the reign of Tiberius at the hands of one of our procurators, Pontius Pilatus, and a most mischievous superstition, thus checked for the moment, again broke out not only in Judaea, the first source of the evil, but even in Rome, where all things hideous and shameful from every part of the world find their centre and become popular. Accordingly, an arrest was first made of all who pleaded guilty; then, upon their information, an immense multitude was convicted, not so much of the crime of firing the city, as of hatred against mankind. Mockery of every sort was added to their deaths. Covered with the skins of beasts, they were torn by dogs and perished, or were nailed to crosses, or were doomed to the flames and burnt, to serve as a nightly illumination, when daylight had expired. Nero offered his gardens for the spectacle, and was exhibiting a show in the circus, while he mingled with the people in the dress of a charioteer or stood aloft on a car. Hence, even for criminals who deserved extreme and exemplary punishment, there arose a feeling of compassion; for it was not, as it seemed, for the public good, but to glut one man's cruelty, that they were being destroyed."
Gaius Suetonius Tranquillas, chief secretary of Emperor Hadrian (117-138 AD):
"Because the Jews of Rome caused continous disturbances at the instigation of Chrestus, [Claudius] expelled them from the city."
"After the great fire at Rome [during Nero's reign] ... Punishments were also inflicted on the Christians, a sect professing a new and mischievous religious belief."
Flavius Josephus (37-97 AD), court historian for Emperor Vespasian:
"At this time there was a wise man who was called Jesus. And his conduct was good and he was known to be virtuous. And many people from among the Jews and other nations became his disciples. Pilate condemned him to be crucified and to die. And those who had become his disciples did not abandon his discipleship. They reported that he had appeared to them three days after his crucifixion and that he was alive; accordingly, he was perhaps the messiah concerning whom the prophets have recounted wonders." (Arabic translation)
Julius Africanus, writing around 221 AD, found a reference in the writings of Thallus, who wrote a history of the Eastern Mediterranean around 52 AD, which dealt with the darkness that covered the land during Jesus's crucifixion:
"Thallus, in the third book of his histories, explains away the darkness as an eclipse of the sun--unreasonably, as it seems to me." [A solar eclipse could not take place during a full moon, as was the case during Passover season.]
Pliny the Younger, Roman governor of Bithynia in Asia Minor around 112 AD:
"[The Christians] were in the habit of meeting on a certain fixed day before it was light, when they sang in alternate verses a hymn to Christ, as to a god, and bound themselves by a solemn oath, not to any wicked deeds, but never to commit any fraud, theft or adultery, never to falsify their word, nor deny a trust when they should be called upon to deliver it up; after which it was their custom to separate, and then reassemble to partake of food--but food of an ordinary and innocent kind." Pliny added that Christianity attracted persons of all societal ranks, all ages, both sexes, and from both the city and the country. Late in his letter to Emperor Trajan, Pliny refers to the teachings of Jesus and his followers as excessive and contagious superstition.
Emperor Trajan, in reply to Pliny:
"The method you have pursued, my dear Pliny, in sifting the cases of those denounced to you as Christians is extremely proper. It is not possible to lay down any general rule which can be applied as the fixed standard in all cases of this nature. No search should be made for these people; when they are denounced and found guilty they must be punished; with the restriction, however, that when the party denies himself to be a Christian, and shall give proof that he is not (that is, by adoring our gods) he shall be pardoned on the ground of repentance, even though he may have formerly incurred suspicion. Informations without the accuser's name subscribed must not be admitted in evidence against anyone, as it is introducing a very dangerous precedent, and by no means agreeable to the spirit of the age."
Emporer Hadrian (117-138 AD), in a letter to Minucius Fundanus, the Asian proconsul:
"I do not wish, therefore, that the matter should be passed by without examination, so that these men may neither be harassed, nor opportunity of malicious proceedings be offered to informers. If, therefore, the provincials can clearly evince their charges against the Christians, so as to answer before the tribunal, let them pursue this course only, but not by mere petitions, and mere outcries against the Christians. For it is far more proper, if anyone would bring an accusation, that you should examine it." Hadrian further explained that if Christians were found guilty they should be judged "according to the heinousness of the crime." If the accusers were only slandering the believers, then those who inaccurately made the charges were to be punished.
The Jewish Talmud, compiled between 70 and 200 AD:
"On the eve of the Passover Yeshu was hanged. For forty days before the execution took place, a herald went forth and cried, 'He is going forth to be stoned because he has practised sorcery and enticed Israel to apostacy. Anyone who can say anything in his favour, let him come forward and plead on his behalf.' But since nothing was brought forward in his favour he was hanged on the eve of the Passover."
[Another early reference in the Talmud speaks of five of Jesus's disciples and recounts their standing before judges who make individual decisions about each one, deciding that they should be executed. However, no actual deaths are recorded.]
Lucian, a second century Greek satirist:
"The Christians, you know, worship a man to this day--the distinguished personage who introduced their novel rites, and was crucified on that account. ... You see, these misguided creatures start with the general conviction that they are immortal for all time, which explains the contempt of death and voluntary self-devotion which are so common among them; and then it was impressed on them by their original lawgiver that they are all brothers, from the moment that they are converted, and deny the gods of Greece, and worship the crucified sage, and live after his laws. All this they take quite on faith, with the result that they despise all worldly goods alike, regarding them merely as common property." Lucian also reported that the Christians had "sacred writings" which were frequently read. When something affected them, "they spare no trouble, no expense."
Mara Bar-Serapion, of Syria, writing between 70 and 200 AD from prison to motivate his son to emulate wise teachers of the past:
"What advantage did the Athenians gain from putting Socrates to death? Famine and plague came upon them as a judgment for their crime. What advantage did the men of Samos gain from burying Pythagoras? In a moment their land was covered with sand. What advantage did the Jews gain from executing their wise king? It was just after that that their kingdom was abolished. God justly avenged these three wise men: the Athenians died of hunger; the Samians were overwhelmed by the sea; the Jews, ruined and driven from their land, live in complete dispersion. But Socrates did not die for good; he lived on in the teaching of Plato. Pythagoras did not die for good; he lived on in the statue of Hera. Nor did the wise king die for good; he lived on in the teaching which he had given."
GNOSTICS SOURCES
The Gospel of Truth, probably by Valentius, around 135-160 AD:
"For when they had seen him and had heard him, he granted them to taste him and to smell him and to touch the beloved Son. When he had appeared instructing them about the Father. ... For he came by means of fleshly appearance." Other passages affirm that the Son of God came in the flesh and "the Word came into the midst. ... it became a body."
"Jesus, was patient in accepting sufferings. . . since he knows that his death is life for many. . . . he was nailed to a tree; he published the edict of the Father on the cross. ... He draws himself down to death through life. ... eternal clothes him. Having stripped himself of the perishable rags, he put on imperishability, which no one can possibly take away from him."
The Aprocryphon of John, probably by Saturninus, around 120-130 AD:
"It happened one day when John, the brother of James,--who are the sons of Zebedee--went up and came to the temple, that a Pharisee named Arimanius approached him and said to him, `Where is your master whom you followed?' And he said to him, 'He has gone to the place from which he came.' The Pharisee said to him, 'This Nazarene deceived you with deception and filled your ears with lies and closed your hearts and turned you from the traditions of your fathers.'"
The Gospel of Thomas, probably from 140-200 AD:
Contain many references to and alleged quotations of Jesus.
The Treatise On Resurrection, by uncertain author of the late second century, to Rheginos:
"The Lord ... existed in flesh and ... revealed himself as Son of God ... Now the Son of God, Rheginos, was Son of Man. He embraced them both, possessing the humanity and the divinity, so that on the one hand he might vanquish death through his being Son of God, and that on the other through the Son of Man the restoration to the Pleroma might occur; because he was originally from above, a seed of the Truth, before this structure of the cosmos had come into being."
"For we have known the Son of Man, and we have believed that he rose from among the dead. This is he of whom we say, 'He became the destruction of death, as he is a great one in whom they believe.' Great are those who believe."
"The Savior swallowed up death. ... He transformed himself into an imperishable Aeon and raised himself up, having swallowed the visible by the invisible, and he gave us the way of our immortality."
"Do not think the resurrection is an illusion. It is no illusion, but it is truth. Indeed, it is more fitting to say that the world is an illusion, rather than the resurrection which has come into being through our Lord the Savior, Jesus Christ."
". . . already you have the resurrection ... why not consider yourself as risen and already brought to this?" Rheginos was thus encouraged not to "continue as if you are to die."
LOST WORKS QUOTED IN OTHER SOURCES
Acts of Pontius Pilate, reports sent from Pilate to Tiberius, referred to by Justin Martyr (150 AD):
"And the expression, 'They pierced my hands and my feet,' was used in reference to the nails of the cross which were fixed in His hands and feet. And after he was crucified, they cast lots upon His vesture, and they that crucified Him parted it among them. And that these things did happen you can ascertain the 'Acts' of Pontius Pilate." Later Justin lists several healing miracles and asserts, "And that He did those things, you can learn from the Acts of Pontius Pilate."
Phlegon, born about 80 AD, as reported by Origen (185-254 AD), mentioned that Jesus made certain predictions which had been fulfilled.
ANCIENT CHRISTIAN SOURCES
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Clement, elder of Rome, letter to the Corinthian church (95 AD):
"The Apostles received the Gospel for us from the Lord Jesus Christ; Jesus Christ was sent forth from God. So then Christ is from God, and the Apostles are from Christ. Both therefore came of the will of God in the appointed order. Having therefore received a charge, and having been fully assured through the resurrection of our Lord Jesus Christ and confirmed in the word of God with full assurance of the Holy Ghost, they went forth with the glad tidings that the kingdom of God should come. So preaching everywhere in country and town, they appointed their firstfruits, when they had proved them by the Spirit, to be bishops and deacons unto them that should believe."
Ignatius, bishop of Antioch, letter to the Trallians (110-115 AD):
"Jesus Christ who was of the race of David, who was the Son of Mary, who was truly born and ate and drank, was truly persecuted under Pontius Pilate, was truly crucified and died in the sight of those in heaven and on earth and those under the earth; who moreover was truly raised from the dead, His Father having raised Him, who in the like fashion will so raise us also who believe on Him."
Ignatius, letter to the Smyrneans (110-115 AD):
"He is truly of the race of David according to the flesh, but Son of God by the Divine will and power, truly born of a virgin and baptised by John that all righteousness might be fulfilled by Him, truly nailed up in the flesh for our sakes under Pontius Pilate and Herod the tetrarch (of which fruit are we--that is, of his most blessed passion); that He might set up an ensign unto all ages through His resurrection."
"For I know and believe that He was in the flesh even after the resurrection; and when He came to Peter and his company, He said to them, 'Lay hold and handle me, and see that I am not a demon without body.' And straightway they touched him, and they believed, being joined unto His flesh and His blood. Wherefore also they despised death, nay they were found superior to death. And after His resurrection He ate with them and drank with them."
Ignatius, letter to the Magnesians (110-115 AD):
"Be ye fully persuaded concerning the birth and the passion and the resurrection, which took place in the time of the governorship of Pontius Pilate; for these things were truly and certainly done by Jesus Christ our hope."
Quadratus, to Emperor Hadrian about 125 AD:
"The deeds of our Saviour were always before you, for they were true miracles; those that were healed, those that were raised from the dead, who were seen, not only when healed and when raised, but were always present. They remained living a long time, not only whilst our Lord was on earth, but likewise when He had left the earth. So that some of them have also lived to our own times."
(Pseudo-)Barnabas, written 130-138 AD:
"He must needs be manifested in the flesh. ... He preached teaching Israel and performing so many wonders and miracles, and He loved them exceedingly. ... He chose His own apostles who were to proclaim His Gospel. ... But He Himself desired so to suffer; for it was necessary for Him to suffer on a tree."
Justin Martyr, to Emperor Antoninus Pius about 150 AD:
After referring to Jesus's birth of a virgin in the town of Bethlehem, and that His physical line of descent came through the tribe of Judah and the family of Jesse, Justin wrote, "Now there is a village in the land of the Jews, thirty-five stadia from Jerusalem, in which Jesus Christ was born, as you can ascertain also from the registers of the taxing made under Cyrenius, your first procurator in Judea."
"Accordingly, after He was crucified, even all His acquaintances forsook Him, having denied Him; and afterwards, when He had risen from the dead and appeared to them, and had taught them to read the prophecies in which all these things were foretold as coming to pass, and when they had seen Him ascending into heaven, and had believed, and had received power sent thence by Him upon them, and went to every race of men, they taught these things, and were called apostles."
Justin Martyr, in Dialogue with Trypho, around 150 AD:
"For at the time of His birth, Magi who came from Arabia worshipped Him, coming first to Herod, who then was sovereign in your land."
"For when they crucified Him, driving in the nails, they pierced His hands and feet; and those who crucified Him parted His garments among themselves, each casting lots for what he chose to have, and receiving according to the decision of the lot."
"Christ said amongst you that He would give the sign of Jonah, exhorting you to repent of your wicked deeds at least after He rose again from the dead ... yet you not only have not repented, after you learned that He rose from the dead, but, as I said before, you have sent chosen and ordained men throughout all the world to proclaim that 'a godless and lawless heresy had sprung from one Jesus, a Galilean deceiver, whom we crucified, but His disciples stole Him by night from the tomb, where He was laid when unfastened from the cross, and now deceive men by asserting that He has risen from the dead and ascended to heaven.'"
"For indeed the Lord remained upon the tree almost until evening, and they buried Him at eventide; then on the third day He rose again."
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To conclude or even think for a second a man named Jesus did not exist historically is uttor non-sense
Cornelius Tacitus (55-120 AD), "the greatest historian" of ancient Rome:
Especially when the closest writing to Jesus' actual life was 25 years after his death... Yes, it's "non-sense".
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More proof that it was all created by man based off stories.
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Especially when the closest writing to Jesus' actual life was 25 years after his death... Yes, it's "non-sense".
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Not just plain "non-sense" but "uttor non-sense".
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Not just plain "non-sense" but "uttor non-sense".
True... Jesus doesn't help anyone spell any better, does he?
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Quick , Somebody call National Geographic! The great minds of Getbig have concluded that Jesus never existed!
While I do believe that Catholicism way back in the beginning was developed to consolidate power and the concept of Hell was develop to scare people into following, and the decision to omit certain books like The Book of Enoch, which talked of various dimensions and karmatic endings,
there has yet been no proof that he NEVER existed.
If you look objectively and honestly , it's VERY hard to prove that Jesus existed. NOT one word in the new testament is by Jesus , it's by his followers and we know next to nothing about these people and none of it was written at the time of his supposed life only decades later and entertaining he did live the miracles are all fairy tales , they honestly can't even say there was a Nazareth at the time of his supposed life , they don't know the exact time of birth or death , honestly there are way to many holes in that story
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There is a place called Israel, there is a city named Jeruselem. If you were to trace back the historical events of the life of Jesus, it is solid. As I mentioned before, you may not believe who he claimed to be, or his teachings, or Who sent him, but the evidence that, at the least, Jesus of Nazareth existed. They hated him then, and they hate him now. No one in the history of human kind has impacted people like Jesus. Why do we call it the year 2011 AD? Time was rewritten because of him.
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no one has left a 2000+ year impact and gained such a following whether for good or bad reasons.
religious or not you can't deny this.
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no one has left a 2000+ year impact and gained such a following whether for good or bad reasons.
religious or not you can't deny this.
The time thing urks me... AD has nothing to do with Jesus.
It's Anno Domini and since it was done for Easter purposes by the church, of course it's going to have a religious overtone... It was made 500 years after Jesus was supposedly to have died.
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If you look objectively and honestly , it's VERY hard to prove that Jesus existed. NOT one word in the new testament is by Jesus , it's by his followers and we know next to nothing about these people and none of it was written at the time of his supposed life only decades later and entertaining he did live the miracles are all fairy tales , they honestly can't even say there was a Nazareth at the time of his supposed life , they don't know the exact time of birth or death , honestly there are way to many holes in that story
People that persecuted the Christian before Constantine never denied the man existed but had tremendous hatred for the man, they didn't like it that he was being worshipped so they tried to get people to disbelieve he was the son of God, think about it, would it not be easier to just say he did not exist?
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The time thing urks me... AD has nothing to do with Jesus.
It's Anno Domini and since it was done for Easter purposes by the church, of course it's going to have a religious overtone... It was made 500 years after Jesus was supposedly to have died.
It is based on Christ's date of birth and Christ only, everyone knows this.............so..... ...WHAT YOU TALKING ABOUT WILLIS?
can someone post the youtube video 8)
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It is based on Christ's date of birth and Christ only, everyone knows this.............so..... ...WHAT YOU TALKING ABOUT WILLIS?
can someone post the youtube video 8)
What are you talking about?
It's based on a supposed birth and was again determined 500 plus years later since the previous calendar method was created by some evil doer or whatever and it was supposed to date EASTER... You know... A christian thing.
I'm not saying it's not "supposed to be"... I'm just saying that even THAT is much ado about nothing.
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Yes I believe in Jesus. I feel a great comfort when I'm going to church and spending time reading my bible. People bitch about modern woman so much well find a good christian girl you don't have the same problems with good christian woman. They wont cheat on you, they aren't confused about gender roles, they will have your back in the worst and best of times, they will stand by you through thick and thin. Of course there's exceptions to the rule but if you find a good one they will make you very happy!
The bible lays it out perfectly how the relationship is suppose to be between man and woman. The bible lays out how you're suppose to treat your fellow man, how you should live your life if you want to be successful. I really don't understand all of the hate. The world would be a much better place if more people followed his teachings!
The whole premise of the bible is to love your neighbor, treat people with kindness and respect. What is wrong with that?
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I really don't understand all of the hate. The world would be a much better place if more people followed his teachings!
No hate. And I agree, we would be better off.
But I just don't believe.
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The time thing urks me... AD has nothing to do with Jesus.
It's Anno Domini and since it was done for Easter purposes by the church, of course it's going to have a religious overtone... It was made 500 years after Jesus was supposedly to have died.
that's even better. a 2512 year legacy is unmatched.
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that's even better. a 2512 year legacy is unmatched.
Doesn't really make it any more real though.
Greek Gods and their mythology was about that long.
And no, it's not 2500 years... It's 2000, they just retrofitted it around what would be year 540AD.
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5 more pages before this thread becomes cliche'
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More proof that it was all created by man based off stories.
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And what or who were these stories based off of?
I don't think it was a, "Hey there is that rebel rouser who lives in a tent down by the river with his ex whore 'friend', let's make some stories up about him."
Tu, Hey-Sus was also thought to be a trouble starter...
Then 25 yrs later it's, "Hey, this dude either was smoking some good "burning bush", or he really was on to something.
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Yes I believe in Jesus. I feel a great comfort when I'm going to church and spending time reading my bible. People bitch about modern woman so much well find a good christian girl you don't have the same problems with good christian woman. They wont cheat on you, they aren't confused about gender roles, they will have your back in the worst and best of times, they will stand by you through thick and thin. Of course there's exceptions to the rule but if you find a good one they will make you very happy!
The bible lays it out perfectly how the relationship is suppose to be between man and woman. The bible lays out how you're suppose to treat your fellow man, how you should live your life if you want to be successful. I really don't understand all of the hate. The world would be a much better place if more people followed his teachings!
The whole premise of the bible is to love your neighbor, treat people with kindness and respect. What is wrong with that?
This is what I was talking about. "Chaste" women are hard to come by, and it is only fair that you treat them as they treat you. In other words: No cheating or screwing around.
They won't leave you, but they don't deserve to be hurt either. And why would you hurt a woman like this? Because it's easy?
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http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/ciencia/antigravityworldgrid/ciencia_antigravityworldgrid06.htm
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If Biblical Jesus exists, why would he answer some prayers and totally plug his ears to others? The suffering he allows on a daily basis is incomprehensible, and it happens to good Christians, too.
Un-fucking-forgivable.
It makes more sense to believe that there just ain't anyone there listening.
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Beware of any Fear based "Gods". Beyond evil. The kids on who's smarter than a 5th grader could tell you how fuked up the people at the Vatican are. That's one creepy ass place.
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If Biblical Jesus exists, why would he answer some prayers and totally plug his ears to others? The suffering he allows on a daily basis is incomprehensible, and it happens to good Christians, too.
Un-fucking-forgivable.
It makes more sense to believe that there just ain't anyone there listening.
What does this have to do with -wether or not a man named Jesus walked the earth?
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What does this have to do with -wether or not a man named Jesus walked the earth?
"Believe," it says. The word has several meanings.
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Really distasteful. Shit like that is going to far :-\
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This burglar breaks into this house the one night. He's creeping through the hallway when he hears this voice from the darkness, "I can see you and Jesus can see you."
"Who the fuck was that!?" he replies. He looks up and sees this parrot sitting in its cage, "Thank fuck for that it was just you! What's your name parrot?"
"Archibold." the parrot replies.
"That's a funny name for a parrot" replied the burglar.
"Not as funny as that fucking rottweiler Jesus."
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Does that make you feel special? Little bitch I would smash your nose in if you ever said or showed me something like that face to face.
Did he touched a nerve with that nail?
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Did he touched a nerve with that nail?
Ya he did. It's one thing to joke around and another thing to be that disrespectful to more than half the people in your countries religion. Don't mess with peoples family or religion. I don't get the point of making sick jokes like that. It shows some serious character flaws.
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ronnie coleman says that faith in god is the number one key to success in the cult of bodybuild
man, after i heard ronnie mumble some of that nonsense my opinion of him went WAY WAY down. now when i think of ronnie i think--stupid black with brutal genetics and boatloads of hormones. :-\
in one of his dvds. the one where he's in australia they ask him what is his motivation. he responds hastily with "THE LORD--THE LORD IS MY MOTIVATION" i'm just like: but ronnie HOWW???? EXPLAIN!!! NOW! OR DON'T SAY THAT STUPID CRAP. i've since theorized he must have been getting payed to say that by some scam church or something. just didn't make sense on any level. whether you believe in God or not is absolutely irrelevant. that statement just doesn't make a lick of sense. the man can't seem to form an intelligible sentence to save his life during that whole interview. i just wanna ask him if the lord also motivated him to fornicate with tons of women and have illegitimate children by a slew of rough lookin' broads. :D
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Does that make you feel special? Little bitch I would smash your nose in if you ever said or showed me something like that face to face.
You do remember this is getbig so blatant disrespect of everything is common, especially religion. Remember, these are also bodybuilders who eat 5x the amount of protein of normal human beings yet are disgusted against killing animals for food :D
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I SAID NI GG ERR!!! not GUY
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I believe in Jesus.
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You do remember this is getbig so blatant disrespect of everything is common, especially religion. Remember, these are also bodybuilders who eat 5x the amount of protein of normal human beings yet are disgusted against killing animals for food :D
It's funny to make of most things but that crosses a line to post things like that. It shows lack of integrity. A lot of people including me believe Jesus was tortured for days just to save humanity from going to hell. He gave the ultimate sacrifice. You shouldn't make sick jokes like that.
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Does that make you feel special? Little bitch I would smash your nose in if you ever said or showed me something like that face to face.
Religion of peace.
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If you look objectively and honestly , it's VERY hard to prove that Jesus existed. NOT one word in the new testament is by Jesus , it's by his followers and we know next to nothing about these people and none of it was written at the time of his supposed life only decades later and entertaining he did live the miracles are all fairy tales , they honestly can't even say there was a Nazareth at the time of his supposed life , they don't know the exact time of birth or death , honestly there are way to many holes in that story
It is a historical given that the emperor known as Nero existed. Nero was what is termed a "type of Antichrist" as were several other tyrants most notably in our time, Adolf Hitler. Nero killed quite a few Christians, or at least according to reputable historians. Among those Christians was a genuine Apostle of the Christ, one that actually walked with Jesus of Nazareth. His name was Peter. Nero had Peter crucified upside down, the unusual postion being requested of the condemned himself as he did not feel worthy to die as did his Lord.
Many people died for their belief in the Christ, including as I said the historical figure of the Apostle Peter. The equally historical figure Nero, Emperor of Rome had these Christians put to death.
These people died for a man they never saw in the flesh. Except... Peter. Who would die for something that never existed? I doubt Peter would have. But I suppose some here would declare he was obviously insane. Yes, only an insane man would teach the beauty of forgiveness and eternal love. Only a lunatic would sacrifice his life for so little.
No. Only someone that knew and believed in the man Jesus would do so and he would have it within him to preach the gospel (i.e., "good news") of this man Jesus and to those with no hope, hope would be given. In contrast only a complete and utter asshole would attempt to denigrate the teachings of a true man of peace such as Jesus was. You do not have to believe Jesus to be the son of God to know that he was more than just a man. Most of us here are less for being so juvenile as to pervert our morals by mocking what he was about.
Me? I think he existed, I think he taught his gospel and died. I just don't believe him to be the son of God as I don't think God exists. Go make fun of the asswipe pedophile founder of islime. That shit heap is more than worthy of scorn and derision. Or are you guys too pussified to do that?
Fuck islime and muslimes. Simple really and very easy to do. homohammed was a dirtbag. Jesus was a good man.
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It's funny to make of most things but that crosses a line to post things like that. It shows lack of integrity. A lot of people including me believe Jesus was tortured for days just to save humanity from going to hell. He gave the ultimate sacrifice. You shouldn't make sick jokes like that.
Oh I know and totally agree with you, as I'm a Christian also. You also realize everyone here hides behind a pc and half of them just want you to meltdown also? Once they strike a nerve they know it. Persecution is what we have to deal with on this earth...
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It's funny to make of most things but that crosses a line to post things like that. It shows lack of integrity. A lot of people including me believe Jesus was tortured for days just to save humanity from going to hell. He gave the ultimate sacrifice. You shouldn't make sick jokes like that.
forgive them father for they know not what they do
who cares if it's offensive, it all comes out in the wash
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Does that make you feel special? Little bitch I would smash your nose in if you ever said or showed me something like that face to face.
Hey man sorry wasnt trying to offend anyone.
But hey why cant Jesus eat M & M's.
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Hey man sorry wasnt trying to offend anyone.
But hey why cant Jesus eat M & M's.
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They keep falling through his hands.
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If Biblical Jesus exists, why would he answer some prayers and totally plug his ears to others? The suffering he allows on a daily basis is incomprehensible, and it happens to good Christians, too.
Un-fucking-forgivable.
It makes more sense to believe that there just ain't anyone there listening.
Suffering- the planet was created for man, He left us in charge, we totally F-ed it up. To quote pastor Bill Johnson, "God gave the keys to the earth to man, man handed them over to Satan. Jesus came, took the keys back, handed them back over to man and re-assigned us." The "world" we live in was not Gods original intentions, like I said, man screwed it up. The good news is through Christ, we are redeemed. I could go on, but anyone can PM me if you like. And also bro, yes God allows suffering.....not because He is unjust, but he gave us free-will to whatever the F we want. Much of the suffering and disease on earth is a result of sin. Again, He left us in charge of the earth. Jesus His son suffered for you and me, and "through his sufferings he was perfected."
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So what's the point of prayer? It's our mess and all.
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Yes I believe in Jesus. I feel a great comfort when I'm going to church and spending time reading my bible. People bitch about modern woman so much well find a good christian girl you don't have the same problems with good christian woman. They wont cheat on you, they aren't confused about gender roles, they will have your back in the worst and best of times, they will stand by you through thick and thin. Of course there's exceptions to the rule but if you find a good one they will make you very happy!
The bible lays it out perfectly how the relationship is suppose to be between man and woman. The bible lays out how you're suppose to treat your fellow man, how you should live your life if you want to be successful. I really don't understand all of the hate. The world would be a much better place if more people followed his teachings!
The whole premise of the bible is to love your neighbor, treat people with kindness and respect. What is wrong with that?
That pretty much sums up my believes. " Co-exist in peace and give others a helping hand when needed ". You dont need a book to do that, anything else is manmade brainwashing/mind controlling garbage.
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So what's the point of prayer? It's our mess and all.
Well prayer develops faith I'd say. "withou faith, it is impossible to please God." Hebrews 11:6. And second, prayer is contending for breakthrough, and part of relationship of the One who loves you most. Not just asking for things, which He loves to give us, but communication directly to our Creator. I admit, it would be nice to hear "yes" and "no" from God, but that's rarely how the kingdom operates. Most of what you need in life will be provided for you, but much of what you want you'll have to go get. And by that I mean, as a believer, pressing into God with prayer and praises and thanks. Cuz once you actually EXPERIENCE the touch of God, the fire of His presence, and begin to humble yourself and realize what took place on the cross that day....you begin to transform, lol, but serious, and realize you were created for a purpose. NOBODY was born by accident, God is love, God is life. I kept God out until I was 30. This is getting too long, ha. Religion is rules, laws, and regulations, but religion has no power, no miracles. Those come from Jesus. And Jesus isn't a religion, he is relationship, he is the way, the truth, and the life. Either he was the biggest liar and fraud in the history of mankind, or he was who he claimed to be. sorry this was so long...but not that much. :D
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Yes, I believe in Jesus.
I believe he came and took my place to die for my sins.
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Either he was the biggest liar and fraud in the history of mankind, or he was who he claimed to be.
Or he didn't exist at all. Nothing personal, man, I respect your faith. I just can't personally believe in a "loving" being who would stand by while such hideous things happened to decent people. People who pray. I mean, what kind of God is that? "God has a plan" just doesn't seem to cut it.
Which is why I believe it's just us, with no one watching over.
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The rapture will happen one day unexpectly.
Then a world world government where people can not buy or sell without a mark.
"Like those gasping for their last breath..we cannot hide..there's nothing left"
"If all my sorrow has lead me here. Then I would cry all of my tears...."
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Or he just didn't exist. Nothing personal, man, I respect your faith. I just can't personally believe in a "loving" being who would stand by while such hideous things happened to decent people. People who pray. I mean, what kind of God is that? "God has a plan" just doesn't seem to cut it.
Which is why I believe it's just us, with no one watching over.
It wasnt God that did evil to people. It was people doing it to people and people allowing people to do it...
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It wasnt God that did evil to people. It was people doing it to people and people allowing people to do it...
So why prayer?
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So why prayer?
Prayer is communication with God...
The prayers of a righteous man, availeth much...
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The prayers of a righteous man, availeth much...
So unanswered ones are prayers made by the unrighteous? You're ok with this?
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The rapture will happen one day unexpectly.
Hello Mr. Camping.
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God gave us free will.
Unfortunately we abuse that freedom of choice and we abuse each other.
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So unanswered ones are prayers made by the unrighteous? You're ok with this?
God answers prayers in his own time not my time.
And its not my right to question Him if they go unanswered.
There has got to be reasons.
I suffered loss in my life and hurt. But it allowed me to know that God put these trials in my life to make me learn and to know.
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God gave us free will.
Unfortunately we abuse that freedom of choice and we abuse each other.
Still, the most decent among us can and do suffer as much (or more) than the wicked. And they pray for forgiveness and guidance, yet still they suffer. Even if it's a single case, it's a horrible system. Evil people living with less suffering than good people.
Prayer really pisses me off.
Again, easier to believe it's all bullshit.
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Ive lost loved ones and questioned God so many times.
At one point, I lived on the streets, penniless questiong God why...
Ive asked the question as to why God allows bad things to happen...Ive come to the realization of why should I or you be special to not face adversity?
Please take the time and listen to this song.
Even christians face adversity....but it is much easier to face life when you have hope.
"If hope is bourne of suffering...."
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I suffered loss in my life and hurt. But it allowed me to know that God put these trials in my life to make me learn and to know.
I believe you have. But what are you supposed to learn? That God wants you, a decent person, to suffer?
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I believe you have. But what are you supposed to learn? That God wants you, a decent person, to suffer?
I am not a decent person....no one actually is.
The only decent person to ever exist...we crucifed him and forsaken him.
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Doesn't it just make more sense to believe there is no one up there, and that good and bad things happen randomly to good and bad people?
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I don't want to start any blasphemous rumors but.....
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I am not a decent person....no one actually is.
The only decent person to ever exist...we crucifed him and forsaken him.
Decent and perfect are two different things. I'm sure you're more decent than Hitler who suffered only a bullet to the head, while his victims suffered incomprehensibly.
Again, what kind of God?
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Decent and perfect are two different things. I'm sure you're more decent than Hitler who suffered only a bullet to the head, while his victims suffered incomprehensibly.
Again, what kind of God?
The Bible prophesied that because of Israel's rejection of their mesiah that they would suffer....
Again..you say what kind of God? Where were the so called righteous people that allowed this to happen?
Also, darwinism is the true evil...how do you think Hitler got the belief that some people were nothing but animals and a particular race of people were better than another?
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The Bible prophesied that because of Israel's rejection of their mesiah that they would suffer....
Again..you say what kind of God? Where were the so called righteous people that allowed this to happen?
Also, darwinism is the true evil...how do you think Hitler got the belief that some people were nothing but animals and a particular race of people were better than another?
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And just because someone is a christian, it doesnt mean that their life is perfect or that they have the answers to everything.
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If evolution is true and God doesnt exist:
1.You are nothing but stardust that came from a cosmic burp 18 billion years ago.
2.There is no purpose to life except to have fun and pass on your genes.
3.When you die you get recycled into a worm or a plant.
4.There is no such thing as right or wrong, there are no absolutes. So why not kill each other?
5.You are an accident and have little or no value.
6.The universe will not miss you when you are gone.
7.Your presence here is a burden on the planet since you are one of the polluters. It would be better for the world if you died.
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If evolution is true and God doesnt exist:
1.You are nothing but stardust that came from a cosmic burp 18 billion years ago.
2.There is no purpose to life except to have fun and pass on your genes.
3.When you die you get recycled into a worm or a plant.
4.There is no such thing as right or wrong, there are no absolutes. So why not kill each other?
5.You are an accident and have little or no value.
6.The universe will not miss you when you are gone.
7.Your presence here is a burden on the planet since you are one of the polluters. It would be better for the world if you died.
haha, practically every single one of those points have already been refuted
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Also, darwinism is the true evil...how do you think Hitler got the belief that some people were nothing but animals and a particular race of people were better than another?
I know Hitler's beliefs, and I know people looked the other way while it happened. But still, where was God? While decent people suffered unimaginable horror, where was God? Individually, they were mostly decent people.
Don't get me wrong, I don't believe Christianity is bad, I just think it's all hopeless.
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Does that make you feel special? Little bitch I would smash your nose in if you ever said or showed me something like that face to face.
love thy brother, love thy neighboor... or what not...
but when shit hits the fan, kill thy brother and kill thy neighboor...
muslims always say "no, you understand wrong! it's a minority who think you should kill infidels and take over the world cuz they understood wrong! the quran and prophet teach us love, forgiveness, understanding, and freedom no matter what! their strongest teaching is self control, and that's why muslims are thought to have the strongest self control, look at how they fast in ramadhan and pray throughout the night"
then a funny pic of the prophet is on a news paper...
5 minutes later... "ALLAHU AKBAR!!!! KILL INFIDELS!!!!"
and all shit breaks loose...
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que muslims who say "those guys are idiots and those aren't the teachings of islam!" and insult the prophet then have them foaming at the mouth with pitch forks and bazookas in 3... 2... 1...
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If evolution is true and God doesnt exist:
1.You are nothing but stardust that came from a cosmic burp 18 billion years ago.
2.There is no purpose to life except to have fun and pass on your genes.
3.When you die you get recycled into a worm or a plant.
4.There is no such thing as right or wrong, there are no absolutes. So why not kill each other?
5.You are an accident and have little or no value.
6.The universe will not miss you when you are gone.
7.Your presence here is a burden on the planet since you are one of the polluters. It would be better for the world if you died.
None of this changes anything. Each point may be true. It may all really suck that bad.
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haha, practically every single one of those points have already been refuted
And nothing more than "truth doesn't please me so I won't accept it".
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I know Hitler's beliefs, and I know people looked the other way while it happened. But still, where was God? While decent people suffered unimaginable horror, where was God? Individually, they were mostly decent people.
Don't get me wrong, I don't believe Christians or Christianity are bad, I just think it's all hopeless.
God was there. He didnt go anywhere.
He gave man free will.
What did you exect him to do? Force people to stop being evil to each other? That wouldnt be free will.
It was men (humans that did this), not God.
We live in a flawed creation....
One day people will be held accountable for their actions wether it is good or evil.
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God was there. He didnt go anywhere.
He gave man free will.
What did you exect him to do? Force people to stop being evil to each other? That wouldnt be free will.
It was men (humans that did this), not God.
We live in a flawed creation....
One day people will be held accountable for their actions wether it is good or evil.
Then prayer is pointless.
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And nothing more than "truth doesn't please me so I won't accept it".
Um, no!
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if jesus had to tell u to be a nice person u got big problems
I'd love to go back in time and butt rape jesus as he carried the cross. Like think about it, poor guy, he's going to go die and people are throwing rocks and shit and he's got a motherfucking tree strapped to his back, and it's like the climax when he is about to reach the place he's going to, and here comes my skinny ass with my dick swinging between my legs and I fucking RAPE him, in the gatdam ASS no less! What a dick move right, but no one really cares, they kinda shrug and go well we don't approve of rape but we jesus hating anyways, and soon enough they get tired and go home and the sun is setting and I'm still going at it, real slow like you know, you think I wouldn't slow rape jesus? I'm going as slow as I fucking can, he's like can you go any slower jackass? I'm like watch me oooooooh. I kiss his neck and whisper into his ear "your nightmare's just began homo" And the guards kinda look at each other, they say fuck the crucifiction, we'll leave it to this guy, they go you gonna kill him right? I go, you ever seen the wire? OMAR AINT GOT NOTHING ON ME.
I forgot how I was gonna end this, wheres my gatdaym pinapple juice
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Then prayer is pointless.
Jesus prayed before ever going on the cross.
He wasnt afraid of death but afraid of the pain and the separation and ridicule.
You can argue that prayer is pointless then with this example as well....
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if jesus had to tell u to be a nice person u got big problems
I'd love to go back in time and butt rape jesus as he carried the cross. Like think about it, poor guy, he's going to go die and people are throwing rocks and shit and he's got a motherfucking tree strapped to his back, and it's like the climax when he is about to reach the place he's going to, and here comes my skinny ass with my dick swinging between my legs and I fucking RAPE him, in the gatdam ASS no less! What a dick move right, but no one really cares, they kinda shrug and go well we don't approve of rape but we jesus hating anyways, and soon enough they get tired and go home and the sun is setting and I'm still going at it, real slow like you know, you think I wouldn't slow rape jesus? I'm going as slow as I fucking can, he's like can you go any slower jackass? I'm like watch me oooooooh. I kiss his neck and whisper into his ear "your nightmare's just began homo" And the guards kinda look at each other, they say fuck the crucifiction, we'll leave it to this guy, they go you gonna kill him right? I go, you ever seen the wire? OMAR AINT GOT NOTHING ON ME.
I forgot how I was gonna end this, wheres my gatdaym pinapple juice
You wouldnt do crap so stop talking like a big sh*t!
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maybe if jesus wadn't standing on the corner like he own da block he wouldna gotten buttraped, you ever think about that?
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maybe if jesus wadn't standing on the corner like he own da block he wouldna gotten buttraped, you ever think about that?
Maybe you got a banana in your ass? You ever think about that?
Enough of your maybes! Its pointless!
You do not make any sense at all
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We live in a fallen world.
Men don't make men evil. Satan makes men evil.
We are given the gift of freedom of choice. We all know the difference between right and wrong, good and evil.
There is no "gray" area.
God sent his only begotten son to allow sinful men forgiveness. Whether or not they want it is another question.
They may not think they want it, but one day they will wish they had.
Christians are not perfect, they are just simply forgiven. They can't use the gift of forgiveness to *willfully* sin and then ask for forgiveness.
God is a *just* God. He knows your heart. It is natural for man to question everything, especially when there seems to be no "proof" ~ hence the word: "faith"
Prayer is not what most people think it is. It is not an opportunity for men to ask for the things they want, it is an opportunity to ask what God wants for them. If men have requests, they have to be within the boundaries of his salvation, not his physical happiness.
This forum for the most part is a godless forum. You can joke and say: "No it's not! We have Gh15!" (look at his signature the next time you truly feel that way) ~ I believe that he knows much more than just "hormonas"
Any Christians here should not be involving themselves with arguments. Debates? Yeah, O.K. as long as they stay civil. God is not breaking down the door to your home, he is waiting for you to allow him to come into your hearts.
Good will to all. I am a sinner, not a Saint.
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ask anyone in the arab world about "christian americans" and they'll say "it's proven that they have no shame, have sex with animals, are extremely dirty and smelly and never bathe, sell their daughrters and wives for sex, have no dignity, and their ultimate goal in life is to destroy us"... and this is "easily proven" with "documents" ... LOOOOOOL
all brainwashing and inbreeding genetics
religion of peace ::)
I'm not advocating any religion ... but you sir are in need of a boot to the throat.
You're saying muslims are more civilized than christians? HAHAHAH!!!!!!!!
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Here is my song for all you muslims:
I dont hate you...I just think you guys are worshipping a false god of violence...
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Maybe you got a banana in your ass? You ever think about that?
Enough of your maybes! Its pointless!
You do not make any sense at all
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I thought he knew I was joking, I can not afford time travel at this point. If I could, I would bring jesus to the future so we could all rape him and then bring him back to exactly when I took him, everyone would be like why jesus asshole bleeding, oh who gives a shit lets whip him
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If evolution is true and God doesnt exist:
1.You are nothing but stardust that came from a cosmic burp 18 billion years ago.
2.There is no purpose to life except to have fun and pass on your genes.
3.When you die you get recycled into a worm or a plant.
4.There is no such thing as right or wrong, there are no absolutes. So why not kill each other?
5.You are an accident and have little or no value.
6.The universe will not miss you when you are gone.
7.Your presence here is a burden on the planet since you are one of the polluters. It would be better for the world if you died.
PEople are so fucking stupid.
Ewafagboy ...so I'm mainly interested in #4.
By your reasoning, the only reason you don't kill people is because you believe in god?
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PEople are so fucking stupid.
Ewafagboy ...so I'm mainly interested in #4.
By your reasoning, the only reason you don't kill people is because you believe in god?
Even people that believe in God kill people. To protect themseves from harm or to eliminate a threat but it has to be justified
You understand what I was trying to say....
If we are nothing but "animals" and there is no God then explain the purpose of love, kindness, ect...
If life is not precious, then why do people with down syndrome live or why are people who have birth defects live?
If darwinism is true, dont you think that this would have happenned by now?'
The point I am trying to make is that there is more to this life.
God gave us morals and values and ingrained wrong and right into our hearts.
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Then prayer is pointless.
I explained a bit on prayer a page or two back man. Communication with Creator, contending/petition for breakthrough in your life and the lives of others. Praises and worship and thanksgiving to Him. But Gods timeline is not on our timeline, an infinite Father with no beginning and no end. I think it would be tough, not impossible, but tough to experience His power and love until we submit absolute surrender. Sounds crazy right? When Jesus walked, he demanded the disciples give up everything to follow him. Same for us. We don't "try out" God. It's all-in or not. He's not a vending machine to pick stuff and see what happens. Also, God pre-Jesus is the God most people know ABOUT. The ruler, the destroyer, the destructor. Ten commandments, yadda yadda. Everything changed when Jesus came, because he came to reveal the Father, the Father's heart. He was the exact representaion of the Living God. He came to give life, and life to the fullest. He exposed the teachers and "experts"of the law to their hipocrisy. He raised the dead, healed the sick, cleansed the lepers, gave sight to the blind, and oh yeah, eternal life to those who put their faith in him. Some many religions to pick....many gods to choose from, but only one who came back to life. They never found his corpse after burial but if they did, then christianity would certainly be exposed as the greatest hoax of all time.
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Even people that believe in God kill people. To protect themseves from harm or to eliminate a threat but it has to be justified
You understand what I was trying to say....
If we are nothing but "animals" and there is no God then explain the purpose of love, kindness, ect...
If life is not precious, then why do people with down syndrome live or why are people who have birth defects live?
If darwinism is true, dont you think that this would have happenned by now?'
The point I am trying to make is that there is more to this life.
God gave us morals and values and ingrained wrong and right into our hearts.
You're more retarded than my initial suspicion. Like I said before, I"m not advocating anything ...except that people read various shit and then come to their own conclusions, unlike someone like you who has had the christian bible and priest's dicks stuffed down your throat.
If you knew anything about Darwinism (you haven't read more than a paragraph on the topic) you'd know it's an evolutionary process that is random and is gradual over a huuuuuuuuuuge time span.
God doesn't give you morals or values, you get them from a combination of your environment, parents, experiences...etc.
If god exists....then why the fuck would he create retards with down syndrome and birth defects????? WHAT THE FUCK KIND OF PIECE OF SHIT WOULD DO THIS TO SOMEONE????????
You're like the more retarded version of tdongz
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I'm not advocating any religion ... but you sir are in need of a boot to the throat.
You're saying muslims are more civilized than christians? HAHAHAH!!!!!!!!
WOW!!!
IS THAT WHAT YOU UNDERSTOOD FROM MY COMMENT????
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HHAHAHAHAHAAH
you seriously are clueless...
let me see if i can put this in simple terms where nothing would confuse you...
If you brain wash generation after generation and make them believe something, they will believe it no matter what proof is in front of them...
muslims (mostly arabs) are brainwashed to think christians are what i described above...
most people believe that in america (i'm talking about saudi muslims) it's legal to be married to a pig (not metaphorically speaking)... as in having sex and agreeing on marriage with a pig and we call you americans filthy and we say "they marry fucking pigs! what kind of people do that!" just to prove our point...
you understand what i'm saying about brainwashing? or is it still not clear?
my grandma (very old school) was looking at me playing with my daughter and saying "say baa baa!!!".. my daughter is 5 months old... my grandma said "NO... say la elaha ela allah mohammad rasool allah (there is no true god but allah and mohammad is his prophet)" i flipped and said "WTF!!!??? she can't even say baba and you want her to say that?!?!?!?! you crazy!" her reply "she should learn how to say that before she says baba!"
LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL
it's called brainwashing over generations...
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WOW!!!
IS THAT WHAT YOU UNDERSTOOD FROM MY COMMENT????
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HHAHAHAHAHAAH
you seriously are clueless...
let me see if i can put this in simple terms where nothing would confuse you...
If you brain wash generation after generation and make them believe something, they will believe it no matter what proof is in front of them...
muslims (mostly arabs) are brainwashed to think christians are what i described above...
most people believe that in america (i'm talking about saudi muslims) it's legal to be married to a pig (not metaphorically speaking)... as in having sex and agreeing on marriage with a pig and we call you americans filthy and we say "they marry fucking pigs! what kind of people do that!" just to prove our point...
you understand what i'm saying about brainwashing? or is it still not clear?
my grandma (very old school) was looking at me playing with my daughter and saying "say baa baa!!!".. my daughter is 5 months old... my grandma said "NO... say la elaha ela allah mohammad rasool allah (there is no true god but allah and mohammad is his prophet)" i flipped and said "WTF!!!??? she can't even say baba and you want her to say that?!?!?!?! you crazy!" her reply "she should learn how to say that before she says baba!"
LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL
it's called brainwashing over generations...
Ha...my bad.
YEah I went to school with a bunch of loud mouth arabs and I agree that they're becoming the new "black" of america.
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lol this was a joke thread, I thought the Charles Bronson clip was pretty clear
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Words of wisdom:
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People ask God "Why do You allow people to suffer?"
God replied "Why do YOU allow people to suffer?"
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People who believe are truly retarded. :)
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People who believe are truly retarded. :)
lets be all robotic then.
With your logic, you're a retard aswell because you believe god doesn't exist. It can't be proven either way so we all believe.
This topic is so old and done. You people aren't convincing anyone and I'm not trying to convince you either.
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lets be all robotic then.
With your logic, you're a retard aswell because you believe god doesn't exist. It can't be proven either way so we all believe.
This topic is so old and done. You people aren't convincing anyone and I'm not trying to convince you either.
Good for you.
I just call them retarded now, because i don't want to debate them. :)
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Good for you.
I just call them retarded now, because i don't want to debate them. :)
Ironicly I was typing the very same words as you did there... boom..
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man, after i heard ronnie mumble some of that nonsense my opinion of him went WAY WAY down. now when i think of ronnie i think--stupid guy with brutal genetics and boatloads of hormones. :-\
in one of his dvds. the one where he's in australia they ask him what is his motivation. he responds hastily with "THE LORD--THE LORD IS MY MOTIVATION" i'm just like: but ronnie HOWW???? EXPLAIN!!! NOW! OR DON'T SAY THAT STUPID CRAP. i've since theorized he must have been getting payed to say that by some scam church or something. just didn't make sense on any level. whether you believe in God or not is absolutely irrelevant. that statement just doesn't make a lick of sense. the man can't seem to form an intelligible sentence to save his life during that whole interview. i just wanna ask him if the lord also motivated him to fornicate with tons of women and have illegitimate children by a slew of rough lookin' broads. :D
You must be young...Ronnie is from the Deep South, and if you understand anything about peoples down there...GOD comes first...also among Black Americans, God offered HOPE, and as my mother said, if you just have a tiny grain of sand of "hope", then hold you onto it. And that is what kept many black folk alive, and persevere thru the toughest times...whereas other people (like during the Depression) were offing themselves.
It's why when you see those real old school black people, that they have that regalness to them. They have been thru some shit, but they had God in their lives, they had hope.
Now as far as him knocking women up...was he married? And that is truly between him and GOD. But, what's funny, is that you can hardly find anybody that has a bad thing to say about Ronnie. His belief, his faith in his belief is his armor, and maybe we all can learn from him in that regard.
Because it seems that the people on here who have no faith (whether it be in God, or themselves), are the ones who are the most crankiest, the most pessimistic, and are always complaining--like they are Grumpy Carebear...
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some people need to believe in god, or an afterlife.
the thought of being just like any other organism on this planet with an eternal expiry date is too much to handle for a lot of people.
our laws and or societies morals as a whole, like it or not, are based in religion.
imagine the complete anarchy if it were ever proven beyond a shadow of doubt there is no 'god'?
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some people need to believe in god, or an afterlife.
the thought of being just like any other organism on this planet with an eternal expiry date is too much to handle for a lot of people.
our laws and or societies morals as a whole, like it or not, are based in religion.
imagine the complete anarchy if it were ever proven beyond a shadow of doubt there is no 'god'?
I don't believe in Heaven or Hell per se, but that our spirit goes on another plane of existance---the astral realm?
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Really distasteful. Shit like that is going to far :-\
Sorry Mr Ed :D
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ROFL!! ;D ;D ;D
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I don't believe in Heaven or Hell per se, but that our spirit goes on another plane of existance---the astral realm?
X2 its Heaven and Hell is to "cut and dried". There are universal forces beyond our control no doubt. Karma is real you reap what you sow.
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ROFL!! ;D ;D ;D
Ditto
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lets be all robotic then.
With your logic, you're a retard aswell because you believe god doesn't exist. It can't be proven either way so we all believe.
This topic is so old and done. You people aren't convincing anyone and I'm not trying to convince you either.
In order for something to exist there must be proof of existence you have no proof god exists. I don't need to prove to you he doesn't exist because he doesn't just like I will not prove to you Santa clause doesn't exist. It makes no sense trying to prove something doesn't exist when there is no proof it exists in the first place.
I could spend all day trying to convince you Freddy Cruger is just a fictional character but whats the point any sensible person knows why waist the time?
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People ask God "Why do You allow people to suffer?"
God replied "Why do YOU allow people to suffer?"
So there are same kind of standards for humans and gods? ::) God is not more able to prevent suffering? ::)
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people don't actually believe in god, those that do are in mental hospitals or on the street, they just say they do because people do what suits them when it suits them. It can't be proven that there is no god, there never was a god to begin with, but if let's say it were proven.... all the people who call themselves god's disciples would switch very quickly to worshipping someone else, dawkins, darwin, whatever, they would say teach us old wise one and the atheist would pick up the chalk and pencil and tak eon the same position as the priest held before him
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In order for something to exist there must be proof of existence you have no proof god exists. I don't need to prove to you he doesn't exist because he doesn't just like I will not prove to you Santa clause doesn't exist. It makes no sense trying to prove something doesn't exist when there is no proof it exists in the first place.
I could spend all day trying to convince you Freddy Cruger is just a fictional character but whats the point any sensible person knows why waist the time?
I react to your gameboy level knowledge about conspiracy theorys and the infiltration of religion like I would react when a banana fly or a mosquito is trying to fly in my nose, that's all.
By the way who's gimmick account are you, 3 posts, I mean really, you couldn't have figured a gayer account name. You are stupid and obvious, I will pay no attention to your randomness.
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Wow, I didn't know getbig was so full of Atheists..........
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people don't actually believe in god, those that do are in mental hospitals or on the street, they just say they do because people do what suits them when it suits them. It can't be proven that there is no god, there never was a god to begin with, but if let's say it were proven.... all the people who call themselves god's disciples would switch very quickly to worshipping someone else, dawkins, darwin, whatever, they would say teach us old wise one and the atheist would pick up the chalk and pencil and tak eon the same position as the priest held before him
Qouted for truth.
When someone actualy comes out and starts rambling about god and jesus, we typicaly through them in a nut house. But when its done in a church, we send them all our money. Trully a sad sad world.
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Paki goes up to heaven and is greeted by St.Peter at the Pearly Gates. "What's your name son?"
"Abdul Ahmed from Bradford.", replies the paki. "Sorry son, no muslims allowed in here mate"
"But St.Peter, just last week I gave 2 grand to Christian Aid!"
"Hmm, let me go and see the Big Man, see what I can do."
Half an hour later St.Peter reemerges through the Pearly Gates, "Here's you 2 grand, now fuck off!"
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Every few months a jesus/bible/god/creation thread hits this forum like a 20rep squat workout...
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Every few months a jesus/bible/god/creation thread hits this forum like a 20rep squat workout...
Time for a Jomanda appreciation tread, Dutch?
(http://data.boomerang.nl/f/fruitsap/image/jomanda-niet-schuldig/s400/jomanda-vrij.jpg)
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You must be young...Ronnie is from the Deep South, and if you understand anything about peoples down there...GOD comes first...also among Black Americans, God offered HOPE, and as my mother said, if you just have a tiny grain of sand of "hope", then hold you onto it. And that is what kept many black folk alive, and persevere thru the toughest times...whereas other people (like during the Depression) were offing themselves.
It's why when you see those real old school black people, that they have that regalness to them. They have been thru some shit, but they had God in their lives, they had hope.
Now as far as him knocking women up...was he married? And that is truly between him and GOD. But, what's funny, is that you can hardly find anybody that has a bad thing to say about Ronnie. His belief, his faith in his belief is his armor, and maybe we all can learn from him in that regard.
Because it seems that the people on here who have no faith (whether it be in God, or themselves), are the ones who are the most crankiest, the most pessimistic, and are always complaining--like they are Grumpy Carebear...
Yeah people from the deep-south had that religion forced onto them by their slave owners , who actually used the bible as proof that slavery was justifiable , it offered them hope that the afterlife would be better than what they were forced to do in this one.
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Time for a Jomanda appreciation tread, Dutch?
(http://data.boomerang.nl/f/fruitsap/image/jomanda-niet-schuldig/s400/jomanda-vrij.jpg)
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Sylvia was a lovely woman...
~RIP~
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We are all just random occurances of the universe. When we die, we die. Nothing more to come.
Why is this so troubling for so many? Are you truly this egocentric?! Your existence doesn't matter a hill of beans. But why give a shit? Do folks need to feel their life means something? It doesn't. Just do what you want, and if you cross the line with someone and get your ass handed to you, that's the way it is.
In the purest sense, there is no right and wrong. The universe doesn't care what you do. Only you can care what you do.
I am consistently amazed with all the believers who are SO frightened and conceited that they'll not consider just how much of a massive load of crap all this religion bullshit truly is.
The absurdity of believing in bearded men in the sky and some dude walking around saying he is the son of "god" ... and then people falling for the horseshit is staggering to the concept of reality and reason.
I love the people who suggest those of us who do not believe "don't have proof that he doesn't exist". REALLY?! Is it not obvious how plain stupid this is?
There's no one out there (well, likely there are other life forms) fitting any description of a god. Praying is wasting one's time. You'd be just as served praying to your stove.
I am mortified with the state of my species, as it exists in the year 2011. Such weakness and susceptibility to fairy tales and fear of their own mortality.
Get over yourselves.
You have been brainwashed and will believe whatever satisifies your cowardess and apprehension about death.
Flakes, all.
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We are all just random occurances of the universe. When we die, we die. Nothing more to come.
Why is this so troubling for so many? Are you truly this egocentric?! Your existence doesn't matter a hill of beans. But why give a shit? Do folks need to feel their life means something? It doesn't. Just do what you want, and if you cross the line with someone and get your ass handed to you, that's the way it is.
In the purest sense, there is no right and wrong. The universe doesn't care what you do. Only you can care what you do.
I am consistently amazed with all the believers who are SO frightened and conceited that they'll not consider just how much of a massive load of crap all this religion bullshit truly is.
The absurdity of believing in bearded men in the sky and some dude walking around saying he is the son of "god" ... and then people falling for the horseshit is staggering to the concept of reality and reason.
I love the people who suggest those of us who do not believe "don't have proof that he doesn't exist". REALLY?! Is it not obvious how plain stupid this is?
There's no one out there (well, likely there are other life forms) fitting any description of a god. Praying is wasting one's time. You'd be just as served praying to your stove.
I am mortified with the state of my species, as it exists in the year 2011. Such weakness and susceptibility to fairy tales and fear of their own mortality.
Get over yourselves.
You have been brainwashed and will believe whatever satisifies your cowardess and apprehension about death.
Flakes, all.
lol
if 'god" doesnt cause the universe to develop and improve life, if "god" doesnt sustain energy and matter, if "god" doesnt maintain the physical laws that make everything function..
then what does ?
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lol
if 'god" doesnt cause the universe to develop and improve life, if "god" doesnt sustain energy and matter, if "god" doesnt maintain the physical laws that make everything function..
then what does ?
Electricity? Dark matter? Hell, who knows?! But it isn't some "god".
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Electricity? Dark matter? Hell, who knows?! But it isn't some "god".
electricity ? dark matter ? where did those things come from? what causes them to act in such a way to sustain the universe ?
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Funny how many people go to prison and get religion then as soon they get out start doing the same ole shit that got them in there.
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Funny how many people go to prison and get religion then as soon they get out start doing the same ole shit that got them in there.
It's like the old cartoon of the "Born Again" Bible Thumping Inmate who tosses the bible in the trash on his way out of jail and states, "I won't be needing this anymore"
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electricity ? dark matter ? where did those things come from? what causes them to act in such a way to sustain the universe ?
Why does everyone believe something has to have a beginning or a maker? Sure, such thinking makes sense in our own TINY arena of life and understanding, but what exactly is so difficult about the concept that perhaps some things just are?
I have a tiny brain like all the rest of those of my species, but I do accept that the "keys to the universe" are so beyond my grasp of any relateable science that it's not worth an attempt to understand.
And certainly not to conjure make-believe gods.
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Why does everyone believe something has to have a beginning or a maker? Sure, such thinking makes sense in our own TINY arena of life and understanding, but what exactly is so difficult about the concept that perhaps some things just are?
I have a tiny brain like all the rest of those of my species, but I do accept that the "keys to the universe" are so beyond my grasp of any relateable science that it's not worth an attempt to understand.
And certainly not to conjure make-believe gods.
so you think that the universe just is, nothing caused it to happen, nothing causes anything to happen, it all just happens.. the laws of physics have no origin and nothing to sustain them.. they just are.. and everything that has ever happened is purely by chance, with no meaning whatsoever ... ? thats what you think ?
can you see why some people would think that there must be some kind of divine attribute to the universe, guiding it forward, sustaining its laws, and giving it its potentialities ?
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Yeah people from the deep-south had that religion forced onto them by their slave owners , who actually used the bible as proof that slavery was justifiable , it offered them hope that the afterlife would be better than what they were forced to do in this one.
Yep, sure didn't work for the Amerindians and Native Americans---they just gave up and died or were exterminated...
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whether I believe in a higher power or not doesn't stop the fact that this thread will be a ten page copy/paste fest involving tbombz and some other 2 dudes by the end of tommorow
I'm pretty amazing, huh
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I'm pretty amazing, huh
Almost as clairvoyant as Sev! ;D
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I'm pretty amazing, huh
except ive never copy/pasted anything in one of these thread once..
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lol @ people arguing with tbomz, he is trolling, all religious people are basically trolls. WHen an athiest argues with a christain the atheist always loses, because he is deceived. The christian does not actually believe in god ok, only fucking cray people do
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lol @ people arguing with tbomz, he is trolling, all religious people are basically trolls. WHen an athiest argues with a christain the atheist always loses, because he is deceived. The christian does not actually believe in god ok, only fucking cray people do
nope.. of course this discussion can really never have an end.. but i find it very disconcerting that so many intelligent people are outspoken atheists... when reality strongly suggests creation/supernatural processes... i have a big appreciation for intelligence and enjoy seeing smart people become wise people.. which is why i always partake in these threads.. to bring some depth to the shallows..
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lol, see... discussion never ends, suggests this or that, this is all pointing it all being rhetoric to him. Religious people are trolls, plane and simple, the religious establishment exploits people's tendecy to worship. When a group of social animals gerts together a heirarchy is formed, plane and simple, organisms at the top control the resources and use this as leverage to occupy real estate in other organism;s brains. This is called power. To be an atheist, to look at the world and figure it out and fill ur head with ur own ideas is to reject the power of people who control resources. You have to be self sufficient to do this, you have to have no fear, you gotta have confidence in putting plate on ur own table. THis is why when drug addicts hit rock bottom they submit to god, it's a relief to say think that now because you give people power over you those people will reward you. Tbomz is like this, he understands that to have integrity is a disadvantage socially, that to be an athiest takes courage. WHy risk the anxiety of going against authority? In the end the organism does what it can to survive, giving up integrity is one of those things
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lol
thats pretty much what moth atheists believe is the truth
and there is alot of truth in it.. a large amount of people who "believe in god" have never really put any thought into their belief, they just have faith that their life isnt meaningless and when they think about death they prefer to imagine life after.. these are simple people.. and they make up about 90% of the world
atheists are generally very smart people... they think for themselves and reject tradition when they see no logic behind it. religion, the various bibles, the history of mankind, and the existence of "evil", "pain", and "suffering" are all very strong arguments for the free thinker to deny god. why should he believe.. the world is far from perfect, good people have bad things happen to them.. if god is all powerful and perfect and good, why do these things exist? of course he doesnt.. religion has always been an obstruction to progress in the world... and the stories contained in religious doctrine about creation and the history of the earth are obviously false.
so why would an intelligent person ever believe in such an obviously false idea? theres no proof a god exists, and everything contradicts his existence... right?
i cam to this conclusion at a very young age, as early as i could remember. i never bought into the concept of god. even though both my parents are believers, though not religious, and i never knew any atheists personally. i always saw that belief and religion were just a way for people to get over their fear of death. its was quite simple to see.
why do i believe now ? you think it was because i hit rock bottom as a drug addict.. no. although many drug addicts do use religion/god as a crutch to get them off their addictions. they simply trade one addiction for another. drugs for worship. however thats not the case with myself. in rehab i strongly rejected the idea that i need to submit to some kind of higher power. and i never did. it was almost two years ago now that i became a "believer". well, not really a believer per se but mre so a believer than a non believer or an agnostic. i really cant say anything for certain but things seem pretty clear to me when i meditate upon them. so what caused me to abandon my old opinion? well, for one, i can say i never would have been able to if i still connected god to religion. i think that is key, being able to think outside the box.. being able to imagine that all the religions, all the bibles, all the stories of god found here on earth are completely false... but yet god could still possibly exist. but that is something that allowed me to think of the issue differently than most people, most atheists can. the actualy thing that made me into a believer was LOGIC. the princple of causality. a certain line of questioninng that when you actually take a moment and consider it will drop down on your head like a 10 ton boulder and crush all of your preconceptions. that line of questioning pertains to the origin and cause for all things. where did everything come from ? what caused everything to happen ? ... these questions do not prove god exists.. but they make you understand that if there is an answer to those questions, the only possible answer is god. and with that knowledge you can then build upon it.
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except ive never copy/pasted anything in one of these thread once..
That's a serious LIE! During your discussion with Lovemonkey about particles without mass (speed of light discussion) you came with the "confession" that you copy pasted some physics stuff to "prove" that God was the cause.
Too bad that I can't find that thread anymore.
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Please God, if you're out there
make this thread die
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That's a serious LIE! During your discussion with Lovemonkey about particles without mass (speed of light discussion) you came with the "confession" that you copy pasted some physics stuff to "prove" that God was the cause.
Too bad that I can't find that thread anymore.
no no no no no
that was a discussion about physics
it was in one of these threads but the actual discussion was on a scientific subject, and it had nothing to do with proving god was the cause... it was a debate on a particular issue. i believe lovemonkey had tried to say that massless particles exist. and i was trying to explain to him that was impossible, but my explanations lacked sufficient conciseness so i found a post from another forum where a more eductaed individual explained my point with references to scientific ideas that made my contention easily understood.
i dont claim to prove anything i only point out the fact that science is incapable of answering the questions "where did it come from" and "what caused it to happen", and that if an answer does exist that answer is necessarily "god".
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Please God, if you're out there
make this thread die
free will
another of the numerous concepts which suggest God
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Who created God?
If we can't answer that question, then we can't answer who created the universe. So if we can say nobody created God, then we can say nobody created the universe. It is eternal. If God can be eternal, why can't the universe? Who is to say that anything needs a maker? Just because humans need a maker to help understand why we are here, doesn't mean the universe or God for that matter needs a maker.
What troubles me is that most people believe in God but don't believe in alien beings from another planet. There is more proof of aliens from another planet than there is of God.
We are all made of the same material as everything else in the cosmos, therefor WE may be Gods or God may be hydrogen or carbon. Anything in existence is made of the same stuff at the smallest level, science has already proved this, so debating who made the universe is illogical.
Also, I'm agnostic. There may be a God, but we know nothing of him and from a pure intelligence point of view he does not exist. We can "think" we know he is there but we simply do not have any proof he is or what he is.
Believing in something doesn't make it real, like the Easter bunny. Having faith in something makes you feel good, but i do not judge people based on their faith, i believe in free will. I simply cannot fathom a puppet in the sky known as God who sent his only son to this planet to die for us. I have studied way too much science to believe any of that nonsense.
What about the other 20,000 Gods and their sons? are they real as well?
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I believe in gh15
He is the GOD of hormones while Jesus was only the son of God.
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Who created God?
god is a term for "the creator"- an eternal, supernatural entity. your question makes no sense when you take that into account.
If we can't answer that question, then we can't answer who created the universe. So if we can say nobody created God, then we can say nobody created the universe. It is eternal. If God can be eternal, why can't the universe? Who is to say that anything needs a maker? Just because humans need a maker to help understand why we are here, doesn't mean the universe or God for that matter needs a maker.
absolutely. eternal universe or eternal god. there are only two options. and both are possibilities.
What troubles me is that most people believe in God but don't believe in alien beings from another planet. There is more proof of aliens from another planet than there is of God.
theres no proof for either.. but i get your point.
We are all made of the same material as everything else in the cosmos, therefor WE may be Gods or God may be hydrogen or carbon. Anything in existence is made of the same stuff at the smallest level, science has already proved this, so debating who made the universe is illogical.
this doesnt follow. "god" is a term for something transcendant of the universe. the arguments for god are based on where the universe itself came from. the universe can not come from itself.. it is either eternal or created by something outside of itself.
Also, I'm agnostic. There may be a God, but we know nothing of him and from a pure intelligence point of view he does not exist. We can "think" we know he is there but we simply do not have any proof he is or what he is.
your middle sentence doesnt follow. if he exists, then he exists. if he doesnt, he doesnt. theres no middle ground. but your agnostic viewpoint is a good one- the only honest one.
Believing in something doesn't make it real, like the Easter bunny. Having faith in something makes you feel good, but i do not judge people based on their faith, i believe in free will. I simply cannot fathom a puppet in the sky known as God who sent his only son to this planet to die for us. I have studied way too much science to believe any of that nonsense.
free will - if its real, we are transcendant beings.. not simply biological organisms. if you dont understand why i am more than happy to elaborate. for this reason free will indicates god. but free will is not a fact. you connecting god to jesus shows a lack of opn mindedness. jesus may not have existed, but that does not indicate anything about gods existence. studying science doesnt do anything to disprove god either. as you said before.. we dont know if god exists or if he doesnt. certain scientific principles, like that of causality, do seem to indicate a necessary creator however.
What about the other 20,000 Gods and their sons? are they real as well?
again, lack of open mindedness. if god exists.. he exists. no amount of false stories made up by man can change that fact. but he may not.
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Almost as clairvoyant as Sev! ;D
I am a God
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I am a God
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EX-FUCKING-ACTLY
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btw, If Nic Cage delivered those lines the same way, he would be accused of "doing that "Nic Cage" thing he does" or "overacting"
Alec Baldwin gets away with this shit all the time
Not saying that he overacted....but it is a bit schmaltzy at times
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btw, If Nic Cage delivered those lines the same way, he would be accused of "doing that "Nic Cage" thing he does" or "overacting"
Alec Baldwin gets away with this shit all the time
Not saying that he overacted....but it is a bit schmaltzy at times
Nic Cage is uglier thats why
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btw, If Nic Cage delivered those lines the same way, he would be accused of "doing that "Nic Cage" thing he does" or "overacting"
Alec Baldwin gets away with this shit all the time
Not saying that he overacted....but it is a bit schmaltzy at times
Because for some reason you can't take Nic Cage seriously , even though he's a fine actor and won an Oscar
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Nic Cage is uglier thats why
i think cage had that "Adrian Brody" thing going on before Adrian Brody ever did it
Because for some reason you can't take Nic Cage seriously ,
This.........oh, and the fact that the Jews that run hollywood hates Guineas
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i think cage had that "Adrian Brody" thing going on before Adrian Brody ever did it
Because for some reason you can't take Nic Cage seriously ,
Great call
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i see what you did there
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i think cage had that "Adrian Brody" thing going on before Adrian Brody ever did it
they are both studs, got the "interesting handsome" thing going on, but baldwin however probably showered in pussy before his fame
(http://www.starfetch.com/keywords/Adrian_Brody/Adrian_Brody_1.jpg)
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Baldwin is interesting because the guy got fat and old AND STILL IS SEXY
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That's some Austin Powers turf there.
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Yeah people from the deep-south had that religion forced onto them by their slave owners , who actually used the bible as proof that slavery was justifiable , it offered them hope that the afterlife would be better than what they were forced to do in this one.
Links to this as I'm curious? I tend to believe a majority of the people in the South believe in religion in some form whether black,white, etc. Now whether it came from cultural norms or where I'm not too sure. I grew up going to church but always questioned religion and 'faith' for many years.
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Who created God?
If we can't answer that question, then we can't answer who created the universe. So if we can say nobody created God, then we can say nobody created the universe. It is eternal. If God can be eternal, why can't the universe? Who is to say that anything needs a maker? Just because humans need a maker to help understand why we are here, doesn't mean the universe or God for that matter needs a maker.
What troubles me is that most people believe in God but don't believe in alien beings from another planet. There is more proof of aliens from another planet than there is of God.
We are all made of the same material as everything else in the cosmos, therefor WE may be Gods or God may be hydrogen or carbon. Anything in existence is made of the same stuff at the smallest level, science has already proved this, so debating who made the universe is illogical.
Also, I'm agnostic. There may be a God, but we know nothing of him and from a pure intelligence point of view he does not exist. We can "think" we know he is there but we simply do not have any proof he is or what he is.
Believing in something doesn't make it real, like the Easter bunny. Having faith in something makes you feel good, but i do not judge people based on their faith, i believe in free will. I simply cannot fathom a puppet in the sky known as God who sent his only son to this planet to die for us. I have studied way too much science to believe any of that nonsense.
What about the other 20,000 Gods and their sons? are they real as well?
Agnosticism as you describe it is a ridiculous concept.
If to be agnostic is to say' well maybe there is a 'god' maybe there isn't it- is impossible for me to know' and not qualify it further then that is the same as me saying 'well maybe there is a green unicorn living in Pluto maybe there isn't -it is impossible for me to know''
From everything we know there is no reason to believe that there is a green unicorn living in Pluto and everyone will immediately disregard it as an crazy idea whose likelihood is extremely low. The same applies to a 'god' as most western people would think of it - it is just that people are so familiarized with the idea that they don't spot how crazy the idea really is
So what one can say is that 'I can't prove that there is no 'god' as most western people would think of it but from what we know it is very unlikely'- like the unicorn in Pluto
If that is being agnostic then I am agnostic
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Agnosticism as you describe it is a ridiculous concept.
If to be agnostic is to say' well maybe there is a 'god' maybe there isn't it- is impossible for me to know' and not qualify it further then that is the same as me saying 'well maybe there is a green unicorn living in Pluto maybe there isn't -it is impossible for me to know''
From everything we know there is no reason to believe that there is a green unicorn living in Pluto and everyone will immediately disregard it as an crazy idea whose likelihood is extremely low. The same applies to a 'god' as most western people would think of it - it is just that people are so familiarized with the idea that they don't spot how crazy the idea really is
So what one can say is that 'I can't prove that there is no 'god' as most western people would think of it but from what we know it is very unlikely'- like the unicorn in Pluto
If that is being agnostic then I am agnostic
what we know of the conditions on pluto makes life there extremely unlikely... nothing we know about the universe makes god unlikely. sorry, your argument fails.
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what we know of the conditions on pluto makes life there extremely unlikely... nothing we know about the universe makes god unlikely. sorry, your argument fails.
you mean an unimaginable powerful/knowing/etc etc god as imagined by people like you ??
that concept is obviously more unlikely that the temperature in pluto being a draw back for the existence of said unicorn. do you know anything about unicorn physiology that i don't?
just try to think how weird the idea of god would be to you if you never heard of it. give it an honest try. obviously neither you or me can really get to that point due to cultural 'pollution' but remember that for example japanese people have no need for religion or god as you conceive it
your god is the product of the ideosyncrasies that surround you. If you grew up in saudi arabia you we d going around shouting allah allah- if you were born an Australian aboriginal fuck knows what u would believe
open your eyes to the smallness of your imagination
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We are all just random occurances of the universe. When we die, we die. Nothing more to come.
Why is this so troubling for so many? Are you truly this egocentric?! Your existence doesn't matter a hill of beans. But why give a shit? Do folks need to feel their life means something? It doesn't. Just do what you want, and if you cross the line with someone and get your ass handed to you, that's the way it is.
In the purest sense, there is no right and wrong. The universe doesn't care what you do. Only you can care what you do.
I am consistently amazed with all the believers who are SO frightened and conceited that they'll not consider just how much of a massive load of crap all this religion bullshit truly is.
The absurdity of believing in bearded men in the sky and some dude walking around saying he is the son of "god" ... and then people falling for the horseshit is staggering to the concept of reality and reason.
I love the people who suggest those of us who do not believe "don't have proof that he doesn't exist". REALLY?! Is it not obvious how plain stupid this is?
There's no one out there (well, likely there are other life forms) fitting any description of a god. Praying is wasting one's time. You'd be just as served praying to your stove.
I am mortified with the state of my species, as it exists in the year 2011. Such weakness and susceptibility to fairy tales and fear of their own mortality.
Get over yourselves.
You have been brainwashed and will believe whatever satisifies your cowardess and apprehension about death.
Flakes, all.
This is a very irrational way of thinking very close minded and not at all logical. In fact your post is full of emotions not logical thinking, indeed your way of thinking has to be right? and everyone else is stupid right?
The origins of humanity is mind boggling in every way conceivable. We know nothing from a logical perspective there is absolutely no rational answere to the beginning of time, what was before time?, where did matter come from? if the universe is everything and it is expanding, what is it expanding into. Is it a finite universe, because if it is then that makes absolutely no sense because at the edge of the finite; what is after it and if it isn't finite if it goes on forever then that doesn't make sense either. Nothing can be explain in a logical manner no matter what, man have tried far greater then you throughout humanity and all of come short, man smarter then you have believed in a creator and men smarter then me have believed in random chance so stop acting like a child and claim you have the answeres and everyone who believes in something that you don't is stupid cause your brain is not capable of having definative answeres in these matters anyway.
The very word infinity has driven people mad throughout the ages and infinity apllies to your belief and my belief therefore both concepts are a matter of faith. I don't think your stupid for believing in random chance but my brain is telling me it isn't right, no hard feeling, right? :)
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electricity ? dark matter ? where did those things come from? what causes them to act in such a way to sustain the universe ?
go see-saw on some dudes cock already! You think you know the answer to everything. Funny how a cock goblin such as yourself would think that he has a prayer of going to heaven.
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Wow, I didn't know getbig was so full of Atheists..........
does being an atheist make me a bad person anymore than I would be if I was christian ?
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does being an atheist make me a bad person anymore than I would be if I was christian ?
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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MONTREAL -- A Roman Catholic organization has agreed to pay up $18 million in compensation for sexual abuse committed over several decades in Quebec.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/10/06/montreal-congregation-abuse-victims_n_998366.html (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/10/06/montreal-congregation-abuse-victims_n_998366.html)
Will these priest go to heaven ?
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MONTREAL -- A Roman Catholic organization has agreed to pay up $18 million in compensation for sexual abuse committed over several decades in Quebec.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/10/06/montreal-congregation-abuse-victims_n_998366.html (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/10/06/montreal-congregation-abuse-victims_n_998366.html)
Will these priest go to heaven ?
Sure they will, but bad sinners like us who don't go to church won't!
On the other hand, who wants to go to heaven if it is full of boring christians that have been to church every fucking sunday, i rather go to hell and have fun with all the witches, pagans, heathens, and other hot native sluts. ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Sure they will, but bad sinners like us who don't go to church won't!
On the other hand, who wants to go to heaven if it is full of boring christians that have been to church every fucking sunday, i rather go to hell and have fun with all the witches, pagans, heathens, and other hot native sluts. ;D ;D ;D ;D
are you sure you're going to have fun with the witches, pagans, heathens and sluts?
What makes you think Satan will share his spoils with you?
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are you sure you're going to have fun with the witches, pagans, heathens and sluts?
What makes you think Satan will share his spoils with you?
Imagine, you can have a fireside chat with Hitler and Stalin, have a nice BBQ with Vlad Tepes and watch the succubi dance naked!
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I'd much rather go to hell anyway, I imagine heaven to be quite boring - fucking do-gooders sitting around doing nothing. ::)
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I'd much rather go to hell anyway, I imagine heaven to be quite boring - fucking do-gooders sitting around doing nothing. ::)
Cuisine is probably vegetarian up there as well, and everything raw or cooked.
I go to hell, BBQ everyday!
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Imagine, you can have a fireside chat with Hitler and Stalin, have a nice BBQ with Vlad Tepes and watch the succubi dance naked!
Vlad Tepes was famous, among other things, for killing muslims (Ottoman Turks) so maybe god approved his transfer to paradise. ;D
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Vlad Tepes was famous, among other things, for killing muslims (Ottoman Turks) so maybe god approved his transfer to paradise. ;D
LOL, no way, he has forsaken god and wouldn't go to heaven if god begged him on his knees. ;D ;D
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chem trails, all sorts of chemicals in food and water, contaminated soil, nuclear power, ridiculous weapon system designed to destroy people more sufficiently... science is so good ::)
Oh wait, it's not sciences fault, it's the peoples fault because they use it for either good or bad.
The same goes with religion, all those crazy stuff you people read what religion has done, well it's not the religion that did those acts but people in power who have issues in the head department.
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LOL, no way, he has forsaken god and wouldn't go to heaven if god begged him on his knees. ;D ;D
Lol, he'd probably impale Jesus for being a pussy.
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Lol, he'd probably impale Jesus for being a pussy.
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Are there people abusing left and right in the name of JESUS? Yes
Are there people that think they can get away with everything they do cause they dont believe in Jesus? Yes
Do I still believe in the man in question ? I do.
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Wow.
It's only about eternal Peace
or eternal Damnation
Strange that folks don't see the obvious choice.
Goodness: Presence of God
Evil: Lack of God's presence
Look at this in everyday life. Where does *boring* fit in?
The difference between lightness and darkness. Who wants to live in eternal darkness?
The only thing Satan cares about is getting your soul away from God. Satan is not rewarding you, he is deceiving you. Once you are his, he worries about you NO MORE... unless you start thinking about God, then he will drop everything he's doing and come back and do whatever it takes to get you back.
Satan is about numbers. Once you are in Hell, you are there for eternity....
You are screwed. "Fun" does not fit into the equation.
It is too bad that humans have no true concept of time. Eternity is forever (in a man's mind, which means nothing as he only knows life and death) ~ Eternity is a word that we put on a spiritual concept of which we have very limited understanding.
Think about *forever* being at peace.
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Christianity is not a getbiggers religion anyway...
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chem trails, all sorts of chemicals in food and water, contaminated soil, nuclear power, ridiculous weapon system designed to destroy people more sufficiently... science is so good ::)
Oh wait, it's not sciences fault, it's the peoples fault because they use it for either good or bad.
The same goes with religion, all those crazy stuff you people read what religion has done, well it's not the religion that did those acts but people in power who have issues in the head department.
Science doesn't provide any kind of moral advice and it doesn't tell us what we should or shouldn't do.
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you mean an unimaginable powerful/knowing/etc etc god as imagined by people like you ??
that concept is obviously more unlikely that the temperature in pluto being a draw back for the existence of said unicorn. do you know anything about unicorn physiology that i don't?
just try to think how weird the idea of god would be to you if you never heard of it. give it an honest try. obviously neither you or me can really get to that point due to cultural 'pollution' but remember that for example japanese people have no need for religion or god as you conceive it
your god is the product of the ideosyncrasies that surround you. If you grew up in saudi arabia you we d going around shouting allah allah- if you were born an Australian aboriginal fuck knows what u would believe
open your eyes to the smallness of your imagination
i will just repeat my original statement as you didnt address it.... there is nothing in modern science which makes the existence of god unlikely. if you disagree, bring up one point.
go see-saw on some dudes cock already! You think you know the answer to everything. Funny how a cock goblin such as yourself would think that he has a prayer of going to heaven.
i dont have the answer.. but i know how to avoid errors in logic.. and thats what im trying to get others to understand.. if god does exist, and if said god had created a heaven for "moral" souls to go to after death, then in that situation homosexuals wouldnt no be excluded.. morality is based on how you treat others. if anything homosexual men, who are generally more empathetic than heterosexual men, would probably get entrance at a higher rate than their more common counterpart.
does being an atheist make me a bad person anymore than I would be if I was christian ?
of course not
MONTREAL -- A Roman Catholic organization has agreed to pay up $18 million in compensation for sexual abuse committed over several decades in Quebec.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/10/06/montreal-congregation-abuse-victims_n_998366.html (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/10/06/montreal-congregation-abuse-victims_n_998366.html)
Will these priest go to heaven ?
depends. in my own opinion, i do believe heaven exists, and i believe every human being gets into heaven.. no matter how evil they were in life. "hell" is a process of learning to become a better person for those immoral people in between death and their entrance to heaven. the more bad one does in life the longer and more suffering they will have to endure in hell before they can get into heaven. :) .. just my opinion
I'd much rather go to hell anyway, I imagine heaven to be quite boring - fucking do-gooders sitting around doing nothing. ::)
quite the contrary.. i imagine heaven would be a place of mass ecstacy.. infninite amount of ecstatic souls partying together, doing anything and everything they can possibly imagine without limits or physical laws to bound them, sort of like a dream world where everyone is doing their inner most desires... massive orgy's of spirits.. self-inflicted highs incomparable to anything you could achieve with drugs on earth... and the best part of all.... the feeling of a million orgasms vibrating through your entire being when ever you get close to the center of god... and when your bored with all that infinite possibilities for fun... in a bilion or trillion years time.. you can go merge your soul into a massive heap of other conjoined, intertwined souls and become one with an infinite amount of other souls... feeling and becoming almost god like.. a part of god no doubt.. no longer an individual but a piece of a giant splendid unimaginable grand whole.. :) where as hell you would be completely isolated, all alone, with no body to warm you, feeling ice cold through and through, with nothing but your memories of wrong doings to eat you alive untill one day you finally realize the power of good and god , lose your ego, and submit
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Science doesn't provide any kind of moral advice and it doesn't tell us what we should or shouldn't do.
People here talk as if religion is made to destroy so I wanted to give them a similar example about science how equally stupid it sounds ::)
Bible tells you exactly what you NEED to do in order to have a happy life, that is all. If you so choose.
Don't cheat, don't lie, respect your parents, just be fucking nice, don't kill.... god doesn't exactly threaten us with those advices, it's just that god knows what happends when you do that shit. You will have problems in your life, SOME sort of problems, misery and anger, that is all. In worst case scenario you will fuck up your life entirely doing some of those things. People are fucking simple so they need simple advice.
And don't start with the "if a man was born inside a barrel and lived his/her life without any morals" crap, god isn't that simple. God is god, not a human being, god can think that shit through don't worry :D
Another topic entirely is wether you believe in god or not, but don't missunderstand the bible before you all go all rebellious against it, not knowing a damn thing.
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Does Jesus believes in YOU, that's what matters!
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they are both studs, got the "interesting handsome" thing going on, but baldwin however probably showered in pussy before his fame
(http://www.starfetch.com/keywords/Adrian_Brody/Adrian_Brody_1.jpg)
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Nic Cage is a vampire
http://dailycaller.com/2011/09/20/is-nicolas-cage-a-vampire/
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Maybe Jesus is really a honey badger, and doesn't give a shit....
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Sure they will, but bad sinners like us who don't go to church won't!
On the other hand, who wants to go to heaven if it is full of boring christians that have been to church every fucking sunday, i rather go to hell and have fun with all the witches, pagans, heathens, and other hot native sluts. ;D ;D ;D ;D
Haven't read it all but there are many misconceptions re: Christianity in this thread. I know some of what you're saying DK is tongue in cheek but every human being to be in heaven will have been a sinner. Not going to church is not a sin.
are you sure you're going to have fun with the witches, pagans, heathens and sluts?
What makes you think Satan will share his spoils with you?
Satan won't be "in charge" of anything in hell.
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People here talk as if religion is made to destroy so I wanted to give them a similar example about science how equally stupid it sounds ::)
Bible tells you exactly what you NEED to do in order to have a happy life, that is all. If you so choose.
Don't cheat, don't lie, respect your parents, just be fucking nice, don't kill.... god doesn't exactly threaten us with those advices, it's just that god knows what happends when you do that shit. You will have problems in your life, SOME sort of problems, misery and anger, that is all. In worst case scenario you will fuck up your life entirely doing some of those things. People are fucking simple so they need simple advice.
And don't start with the "if a man was born inside a barrel and lived his/her life without any morals" crap, god isn't that simple. God is god, not a human being, god can think that shit through don't worry :D
Another topic entirely is wether you believe in god or not, but don't missunderstand the bible before you all go all rebellious against it, not knowing a damn thing.
Yeah Bible is a nice book, when you leave the nasty stuff out (90 % of it). ::)
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Yeah Bible is a nice book, when you leave the nasty stuff out (90 % of it). ::)
The bible truly is full of nasty stuff and ninety nine percent of the nasty stuff are about people who constantly butcher and deceive one another. The 1% is how satan deceives the whole world.
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i will just repeat my original statement as you didnt address it.... there is nothing in modern science which makes the existence of god unlikely. if you disagree, bring up one point.
you failed to get my point,
Let me try to explain it again
Currently modern science has as much to say about the existence of green unicorns in Pluto as about the existence of God. That is because both unicorns and god are things outside the realm of science. In case u still don't get it let me rephrase it : According to modern science the likelihood of the existence of unicorns in pluto and god is the same - everything is possible about unicorns like for god- so both those questions are uninteresting
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you failed to get my point,
Let me try to explain it again
Currently modern science has as much to say about the existence of green unicorns in Pluto as about the existence of God. That is because both unicorns and god are things outside the realm of science. In case u still don't get it let me rephrase it : According to modern science the likelihood of the existence of unicorns in pluto and god is the same - everything is possible about unicorns like for god- so both those questions are uninteresting
unicorns- a mthycial creature, but in its mythology a biological creature nonetheless, not immortal, and bound to the same restrictions of mortality that other biological life forms are... ie- incapable of living on pluto, or anyother planet for that matter. pluto- from all images we have collected of it, no signs of life.. based on those things, a unicorn on pluto= highly unlikely
god- a term for the creator of the universe, if such a creator exists. we have no idea where the universe came from, if it came from anywhere at all. nothing in science says that creator is unlikely, nothing about the idea of god contradicts his existence... in fact certain scientific principles make the existence of god quite likely... for example, causality and ontology. based on these things.. gods existence= plausible but not certain.
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Of course. 8)
Damn, Jesus grew a nice pair of tits since i last saw him.
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