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Title: Why Occupy Wall Street won't succeed
Post by: El Diablo Blanco on November 17, 2011, 10:42:57 AM
America is a country who's history is defined by aggression and brute force.  The fact is since WWII the lines between America's judeo-christian fanaticism and support for the military have intersected and go hand in hand.  You can find the most devout religious person in America and they will give you a dozen excuses when violence is acceptable.

Having a peacful rally won't solve a thing and won't convince anyone to make a change.

What needs to happen is thousands of people need to rush into one of the big banks on wall street, take the CEO and drag him through the streets of NYC how they did with Khadafi in Libya.  And proceed to burn down the building.  They need to show an epic display of violence before people will actually realize that they mean business.  The fact is the banks are using the NYPD to do their dirty work and dispose of the protesters who think sleeping in a tent in a park will actually make a difference.

Time to wake the fuck up America.  Time to show those banks that you mean business.
Title: Re: Why Occupy Wall Street won't succeed
Post by: Soul Crusher on November 17, 2011, 10:50:42 AM
 :D
Title: Re: Why Occupy Wall Street won't succeed
Post by: The Showstoppa on November 17, 2011, 10:51:21 AM
 ::)
Title: Re: Why Occupy Wall Street won't succeed
Post by: Mick33 on November 17, 2011, 12:07:12 PM
Honestly, what do they expect to accomplish?
Title: Re: Why Occupy Wall Street won't succeed
Post by: akers1021 on November 17, 2011, 12:08:02 PM




Pretty much sums up this generation of kids that have been told "your special" their ENTIRE lives...    ::)
Title: Re: Why Occupy Wall Street won't succeed
Post by: 240 is Back on November 17, 2011, 12:11:32 PM
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Title: Re: Why Occupy Wall Street won't succeed
Post by: Nails on November 17, 2011, 12:14:14 PM
i just got back from NYC last week, and one thing is for sure, NYC has a shit load of police, i mean a shit load, cops at every block, you cant go past 5min anywhere in NYC and not see a cop
Title: Re: Why Occupy Wall Street won't succeed
Post by: MikMaq on November 17, 2011, 12:14:58 PM
So tired of  this shit, your still getting fucked in the ass, and you refuse to acknowledge it. I swear most of you guys would vote for stalin if a bunch of libs were protesting him.
Title: Re: Why Occupy Wall Street won't succeed
Post by: Nails on November 17, 2011, 12:17:03 PM
Americans are just doing it wrong, it will fail.

They look more like bums then anything.

 people with power are not afraid of tents, rattling cans, and poster boards
Title: Re: Why Occupy Wall Street won't succeed
Post by: R.A.M. on November 17, 2011, 12:23:56 PM




Pretty much sums up this generation of kids that have been told "your special" their ENTIRE lives...    ::)

DAMN BEAT ME TO IT.

Great video.
Title: Re: Why Occupy Wall Street won't succeed
Post by: Hulkotron on November 17, 2011, 12:27:30 PM
Getbiggers constitute the top 1%.
Title: Re: Why Occupy Wall Street won't succeed
Post by: mass243 on November 17, 2011, 12:27:47 PM

Hahah, Just noticed  this Americano phenomenon arrived even here in Finland LOL
Not going too strong though, so far about 5 hillbillies  ;D

(http://www.styrge.com/pic/SAM_occupy_edit.jpg)
Title: Re: Why Occupy Wall Street won't succeed
Post by: 240 is Back on November 17, 2011, 12:28:43 PM
So tired of  this shit, your still getting fucked in the ass, and you refuse to acknowledge it. I swear most of you guys would vote for stalin if a bunch of libs were protesting him.

bingo
Title: Re: Why Occupy Wall Street won't succeed
Post by: Soul Crusher on November 17, 2011, 12:29:44 PM
bingo

 ::)   ::)
Title: Re: Why Occupy Wall Street won't succeed
Post by: Soul Crusher on November 17, 2011, 12:35:35 PM




Pretty much sums up this generation of kids that have been told "your special" their ENTIRE lives...    ::)


Bingo - the far leftist lazy pofs should all go to cuba or NK and fuck off. 
Title: Re: Why Occupy Wall Street won't succeed
Post by: MikMaq on November 17, 2011, 12:37:22 PM
::)   ::)
Here we go bring on the meaningless opinions about how we should all be happy about how america sans one negroe.

Whatever I'd argue with you, but your already owned and consumed by the left . Your just a pathetic wretch of a man.
Title: Re: Why Occupy Wall Street won't succeed
Post by: Natural Man on November 17, 2011, 12:46:17 PM
why care about something you have no control over.  No citizen of any country in the world decides anything about his country's fate. Industrials, politics, the military , megacorporations, drugs makers, journalists and show business stars, in one word, elites, shape the human world considering first their own interests.

There is no conspiracy, no global power, only individuals following their own interests. Billions of individuals only caring about their own survival just like you do every single day. Welcome in the animal kingdom of the human specie.

The only thing you can do is work, fuck, eat, have some leisures, and that's about it. But dont pretend you have any weight in the way the world works. You dont. We re just here to survive, adapt, depending of who gave birth to our sorry ass and where.


Too many individuals fucked others in the ass only thinking about themselves for way too long and a cyclial, systemic crash is waiting to happen very soon, our instinctive, animal nature is warning us. We all know our cumulated sins are going to converge into a point of no return. PPeople will be poor, everything will collapse, they will have so fight for their own survival just like in the middle age, lots of people will die, be selected by evolution, and the remaining ones will build a new society based on the ruins of the ancient one, keeping whats good for the survival of the specie and removing whats bad and has been proven bad by our previous mistakes. Open a fucking bible, open history books, it s all written.

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America is a country who's history is defined by aggression and brute force


lol... could be said of any past, present or future country, or let's say human group... in fact it can be said of anything that lives, every life form has to fight, struggle for its survival against other life forms that have to fight for their own survival too. Sometimes life forms ally, cooperate, others times they dominate by force, by virtue, by the use of knowledge... sometimes they submit themselves to stronger opponents... That's life. you guys should open some history books once in a while. Humans are animals just like any other animal specie.
Title: Re: Why Occupy Wall Street won't succeed
Post by: mass243 on November 17, 2011, 12:54:43 PM

The only thing you can do is work, fuck, eat, have some leisures, and that's about it. But dont pretend you have any weight in the way the world works. You dont. We re just here to survive, adapt, depending of who gave birth to our sorry ass and where.



Must disagree.

In free country anyone can climb up the stairs of the society, so to speak. You can get involved in politics if you want and try to make a difference!
Hell no you are turning to president overnight - you must start from the bottom, from regional politics and then work your way up to country level! That's what I would like to do  :D

What is true is that, you can't become a major 'difference maker' in the world level if you were born in small country.
Title: Re: Why Occupy Wall Street won't succeed
Post by: #1 Klaus fan on November 17, 2011, 02:28:10 PM




Pretty much sums up this generation of kids that have been told "your special" their ENTIRE lives...    ::)

This guy just missed the point entirely.
Title: Re: Why Occupy Wall Street won't succeed
Post by: Radical Plato on November 17, 2011, 02:31:48 PM
America is a country who's history is defined by aggression and brute force.  The fact is since WWII the lines between America's judeo-christian fanaticism and support for the military have intersected and go hand in hand.  You can find the most devout religious person in America and they will give you a dozen excuses when violence is acceptable.

Having a peaceful rally won't solve a thing and won't convince anyone to make a change.

What needs to happen is thousands of people need to rush into one of the big banks on wall street, take the CEO and drag him through the streets of NYC how they did with Khadafi in Libya.  And proceed to burn down the building.  They need to show an epic display of violence before people will actually realize that they mean business.  The fact is the banks are using the NYPD to do their dirty work and dispose of the protesters who think sleeping in a tent in a park will actually make a difference.

Time to wake the fuck up America.  Time to show those banks that you mean business.
Well, then, that's not actually a protest then, that's a REVOLT, and even less likely to get results, just turn the public against them.  Better to follow Gandhi's lead, keep it peaceful
Title: Re: Why Occupy Wall Street won't succeed
Post by: Radical Plato on November 17, 2011, 02:34:22 PM
Must disagree.

In free country anyone can climb up the stairs of the society, so to speak. You can get involved in politics if you want and try to make a difference!
Hell no you are turning to president overnight - you must start from the bottom, from regional politics and then work your way up to country level! That's what I would like to do  :D

What is true is that, you can't become a major 'difference maker' in the world level if you were born in small country.
How Naive this poster is, he thinks politicians make a difference LMAO  :D ;D
Title: Re: Why Occupy Wall Street won't succeed
Post by: Radical Plato on November 17, 2011, 02:44:45 PM
This guy just missed the point entirely.
Agreed, I would love to knock that twink out, if you watch the whole vid, he goes on to tell everyone how rugged and tough he is.  I almost fell of my seat, any man can tell this is a twink raised by his mother and has repressed homosexual tendencies.
Title: Re: Why Occupy Wall Street won't succeed
Post by: Soul Crusher on November 17, 2011, 02:46:39 PM
Agreed, I would love to knock that twink out, if you watch the whole vid, he goes on to tell everyone how rugged and tough he is.  I almost fell of my seat, any man can tell this is a twink raised by his mother and has repressed homosexual tendencies.

Yeah - lets all aspire to be lazy dope addicts and hang out in the street all day and question why everyone does not have a mansion.    ::)  ::)  ::)
Title: Re: Why Occupy Wall Street won't succeed
Post by: Radical Plato on November 17, 2011, 02:58:41 PM
Yeah - lets all aspire to be lazy dope addicts and hang out in the street all day and question why everyone does not have a mansion.    ::)  ::)  ::)
Sounds like you really know what youre talking about.  ;D
Supporters of the movement laugh at arguments like these, your level of ignorance is astounding - your like a dude standing in the middle of a busy road, and OCCUPY protesters watching you from the sidewalk.  But due to your limited vision, you dont see the big truck about to hit you and ream you a new arsehole, or maybe you are too numb to care - either way, you need more information
Title: Re: Why Occupy Wall Street won't succeed
Post by: Soul Crusher on November 17, 2011, 03:01:32 PM
Sounds like you really know what youre talking about.  ;D
Supporters of the movement laugh at arguments like these, your level of ignorance is astounding - your like a dude standing in the middle of a busy road, and OCCUPY protesters watching you from the sidewalk.  But due to your limited vision, you dont see the big truck about to hit you and ream you a new arsehole, or maybe you are too numb to care - either way, you need more information

Wealth is created by production of a good or service that people want or need, not hanging out in a park screaming about other people.   

Title: Re: Why Occupy Wall Street won't succeed
Post by: Radical Plato on November 17, 2011, 03:05:52 PM
Wealth is created by production of a good or service that people want or need, not hanging out in a park screaming about other people. 

You are the type of idiot the 1% is counting on - I am not even going to respond at length to this - You listened too much to your granparents and never found out what was really going on. Poor deluded Soul
Title: Re: Why Occupy Wall Street won't succeed
Post by: Soul Crusher on November 17, 2011, 03:10:13 PM
You are the type of idiot the 1% is counting on - I am not even going to respond at length to this - You listened too much to your granparents and never found out what was really going on. Poor deluded Soul

Go ahead moron.  Tell me how adding endless regulations, taxes, growing the govt, growing the beauracracy creates wealth.   Waiting to hear how that works.   
Title: Re: Why Occupy Wall Street won't succeed
Post by: Radical Plato on November 17, 2011, 03:16:11 PM
Go ahead moron.  Tell me how adding endless regulations, taxes, growing the govt, growing the beauracracy creates wealth.   Waiting to hear how that works.   
You are not even on the same page - you are trying to find a solution within the current paradigm.  The system has to change completely to the point were we abolish the monetary system.  Fuck the staus quo, the system doesnt work. Period .  The system is only going to get worse.  Unlike you, I have found a way to buck the system and make lots of money and remain independent and not bound to the system.  But it sound like to me you are exactly the type of person who should be protesting - locked into the current system - in a lifestyle not of your own choosing, trying to think of ways to get the broken system working again. You need to let go of the belief that the current system can solve any of our modern concerns.  Time for a radical rethink.
Title: Re: Why Occupy Wall Street won't succeed
Post by: Soul Crusher on November 17, 2011, 03:20:53 PM
You are not even on the same page - you are trying to find a solution within the current paradigm.  The system has to change completely to the point were we abolish the monetary system.  Fuck the staus quo, the system doesnt work. Period .  The system is only going to get worse.  Unlike you, I have found a way to buck the system and make lots of money and remain independent and not bound to the system.  But it sound like to me you are exactly the type of person who should be protesting - locked into the current system - in a lifestyle not of your own choosing, trying to think of ways to get the broken system working again. You need to let go of the belief that the current system can solve any of our modern concerns.  Time for a radical rethink.


LOL.   Tell me the ideal system you seek to create?   What country right now is closest to that.     
Title: Re: Why Occupy Wall Street won't succeed
Post by: apply85 on November 17, 2011, 03:27:35 PM
occupy wall street is just a usurpation of power, this whole rhetoric of solving corruption is just that, rhetoric, the power hungry ones think that the rest of the country supports them in this, this gives them leverage, they turn this leverage into political power by demonstrating that they can cause damage without being arrested by law enforcement

it will work in the sense that certain individuals involved will come out of it with careers in politics or whatever the fuck, some people will indeed have power which is their goal, while others will take the fall - most likely the most arrogant ones who thought they had so many followers that they could turn their back on the people who put them in these positions, be it politicians or financial backers or whatever

what will happen is this, the leading circle who organize the thing will demand xyz, people who can meet their demands will say ok to x and y but not z, the leader will say give us z or we march on your bank, the bank goes to certain members in the group and says, if you give in only for x and y we will not seek to prosecute you in the end, the guy who wants z will take the fall for you, the ones who agree will be the ones who come out with power, the ones who wanted z will go to prison or be left with nothing, and of course the survivors are corrupt and are owned the by banks now so to speak, even though they will be the voice of anti bank 99%ers like they like to call themselves

this is how power works
Title: Re: Why Occupy Wall Street won't succeed
Post by: Radical Plato on November 17, 2011, 03:54:30 PM

LOL.   Tell me the ideal system you seek to create?   What country right now is closest to that.    
One that is BETTER than the shithole system we live under- NOT IDEAL - NOT UTOPIA - JUST BETTER

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Title: Re: Why Occupy Wall Street won't succeed
Post by: Radical Plato on November 17, 2011, 04:05:02 PM
occupy wall street is just a usurpation of power, this whole rhetoric of solving corruption is just that, rhetoric, the power hungry ones think that the rest of the country supports them in this, this gives them leverage, they turn this leverage into political power by demonstrating that they can cause damage without being arrested by law enforcement

it will work in the sense that certain individuals involved will come out of it with careers in politics or whatever the fuck, some people will indeed have power which is their goal, while others will take the fall - most likely the most arrogant ones who thought they had so many followers that they could turn their back on the people who put them in these positions, be it politicians or financial backers or whatever

what will happen is this, the leading circle who organize the thing will demand xyz, people who can meet their demands will say ok to x and y but not z, the leader will say give us z or we march on your bank, the bank goes to certain members in the group and says, if you give in only for x and y we will not seek to prosecute you in the end, the guy who wants z will take the fall for you, the ones who agree will be the ones who come out with power, the ones who wanted z will go to prison or be left with nothing, and of course the survivors are corrupt and are owned the by banks now so to speak, even though they will be the voice of anti bank 99%ers like they like to call themselves

this is how power works
Time to take your medication
Title: Re: Why Occupy Wall Street won't succeed
Post by: tbombz on November 17, 2011, 04:18:06 PM
the earths resources as the common heritage of all the world's people.

 This is why The Venus Project advocates the transition from a monetary-based society to the eventual realization of a resource-based global economy.
 

i like the first part and everything it implies

but not so much the second

without fiat money i cant imagine an economy being workable
Title: Re: Why Occupy Wall Street won't succeed
Post by: apply85 on November 17, 2011, 04:25:57 PM
Time to take your medication

wait and see
Title: Re: Why Occupy Wall Street won't succeed
Post by: SOMEPARTS on November 17, 2011, 04:37:00 PM
Yeah - lets all aspire to be lazy dope addicts and hang out in the street all day and question why everyone does not have a mansion.    ::)  ::)  ::)


I wonder about this because some who support this stuff do think that way. Nobody should have more than someone else.....but the average standard of living should be the same or higher. Based on what factors? Just taking from the rich? Weird stuff to me...
Title: Re: Why Occupy Wall Street won't succeed
Post by: MikMaq on November 17, 2011, 04:41:28 PM

LOL.   Tell me the ideal system you seek to create?   What country right now is closest to that.     
Several western countries. America ranks low on a long list of independment measures of quality of living,  economic freedom, corruption and the list goes on. Your so absorbed into political views like it's the only reason your  as miserable as you sound. I ain't no fucking leftist but attacking a movement based on it's people, when there main message is were getting fucked and nothing else is fucking weak.

Shit is way out of hand but you forever wanna blame other people, that's all you do your no better than these kids, the fact is if things are gonna get better in any shape or form, things are gonna have to legitimately change otherwise we'll be sucking off china.
Title: Re: Why Occupy Wall Street won't succeed
Post by: #1 Klaus fan on November 17, 2011, 04:43:01 PM
"If you don't have equal purchasing power, you can't have a democracy"

-Fresco

Well said!
Title: Re: Why Occupy Wall Street won't succeed
Post by: Soul Crusher on November 17, 2011, 04:45:17 PM
Several western countries. America ranks low on a long list of independment measures of quality of living,  economic freedom, corruption and the list goes on. Your so absorbed into political views like it's the only reason your  as miserable as you sound. I ain't no fucking leftist but attacking a movement based on it's people, when there main message is were getting fucked and nothing else is fucking weak.

Shit is way out of hand but you forever wanna blame other people, that's all you do your no better than these kids, the fact is if things are gonna get better in any shape or form, things are gonna have to legitimately change otherwise we'll be sucking off china.

Give me examples
Title: Re: Why Occupy Wall Street won't succeed
Post by: MikMaq on November 17, 2011, 04:47:18 PM
Give me examples
Not a chance I aint getting into a pissing contest with you, again your not really worth the time your on a constant ego trip where everything is about winning, you again would vote for winning for stalin if it was to win an argument.
Title: Re: Why Occupy Wall Street won't succeed
Post by: Soul Crusher on November 17, 2011, 04:49:02 PM
Not a chance I aint getting into a pissing contest with you, again your not really worth the time your on a constant ego trip where everything is about winning, you again would vote for winning for stalin if it was to win an argument.

Yawn.   You are a coward.  Give concrete examples. 
Title: Re: Why Occupy Wall Street won't succeed
Post by: MikMaq on November 17, 2011, 04:52:04 PM
Yawn.   You are a coward.  Give concrete examples. 
You have 71k posts about politics, me thinks your pretty fucking  set in your bullshit. Concrete enough for yea. Again once the pattern is notice the outcome is set.

Title: Re: Why Occupy Wall Street won't succeed
Post by: Soul Crusher on November 17, 2011, 04:56:10 PM
You have 71k posts about politics, me thinks your pretty fucking  set in your bullshit. Concrete enough for yea. Again once the pattern is notice the outcome is set.



FAIL.   Give an example of your ideal country
Title: Re: Why Occupy Wall Street won't succeed
Post by: apply85 on November 17, 2011, 04:58:07 PM
dude has 71000 posts! wtf!
Title: Re: Why Occupy Wall Street won't succeed
Post by: Coach is Back! on November 17, 2011, 05:01:16 PM
These losers are the typical Obama supporters. Great crowd eh?
Title: Re: Why Occupy Wall Street won't succeed
Post by: tbombz on November 17, 2011, 05:01:41 PM
FAIL.   Give an example of your ideal country
one global government, socialist economics, retract regulations on personal life choices and extend regulations onto all definitive immoral actions. (immoral being defined as any action which directly and negatively effect another person in a significant way)
Title: Re: Why Occupy Wall Street won't succeed
Post by: Coach is Back! on November 17, 2011, 05:06:10 PM
One global government? Are you kidding? Countries are failing and you think bringing them all together to have the whole fail is the answer? Commonsense....no one has any!
Title: Re: Why Occupy Wall Street won't succeed
Post by: Lumberjack88 on November 17, 2011, 05:06:46 PM
What's so wrong about the core sentiments of this occupy wall street movement?

It's basically against corporate funded politics. Too many lobbyists in Washington D.C., too much regard for corporate interest and too much disregard for the needs of the common people. Those who pay rule the country, voting means nothing...

Demos Kratos... democracy... rule of the people, not the rule of big oil or big money.. USA even treats corporations as humans... that goes much too far...

So, in this situation, these people should just shut their mouths and go back to work and start obeying the ruling class again? This position can only be held by a member of the ruling class and should have no acceptance amongst the working class...

Remember... wall street got bailed out by main street... and now that they are bailed out... they buy some more politicians to fuck the american people again... why not break this vicious circle?
Title: Re: Why Occupy Wall Street won't succeed
Post by: Radical Plato on November 17, 2011, 05:07:52 PM
What's so wrong about the core sentiments of this occupy wall street movement?

It's basically against corporate funded politics. Too many lobbyists in Washington D.C., too much regard for corporate interest and too much disregard for the needs of the common people. Those who pay rule the country, voting means nothing...

Demos Kratos... democracy... rule of the people, not the rule of big oil or big money.. USA even treats corporations as humans... that goes much too far...

So, in this situation, these people should just shut their mouths and go back to work and start obeying the ruling class again? This position can only be held by a member of the ruling class and should have no acceptance amongst the working class...

Remember... wall street got bailed out by main street... and now that they are bailed out... they buy some more politicians to fuck the american people again... why not break this vicious circle?


Several western countries. America ranks low on a long list of independment measures of quality of living,  economic freedom, corruption and the list goes on. Your so absorbed into political views like it's the only reason your  as miserable as you sound. I ain't no fucking leftist but attacking a movement based on it's people, when there main message is were getting fucked and nothing else is fucking weak.

Shit is way out of hand but you forever wanna blame other people, that's all you do your no better than these kids, the fact is if things are gonna get better in any shape or form, things are gonna have to legitimately change otherwise we'll be sucking off china.
Hear Hear
Title: Re: Why Occupy Wall Street won't succeed
Post by: Radical Plato on November 17, 2011, 05:13:45 PM
"If you don't have equal purchasing power, you can't have a democracy"

-Fresco

Well said!
Democracy is nothing more than two wolves and a sheep voting on what to have for dinner.
Title: Re: Why Occupy Wall Street won't succeed
Post by: MikMaq on November 17, 2011, 05:15:13 PM
FAIL.   Give an example of your ideal country
There are only about 6-10 descent countries in the world, as if any one specific example is perfect.

Again you discredit the person making the claim and ignore the actual issue.
What's so wrong about the core sentiments of this occupy wall street movement?

It's basically against corporate funded politics. Too many lobbyists in Washington D.C., too much regard for corporate interest and too much disregard for the needs of the common people. Those who pay rule the country, voting means nothing...

Demos Kratos... democracy... rule of the people, not the rule of big oil or big money.. USA even treats corporations as humans... that goes much too far...

So, in this situation, these people should just shut their mouths and go back to work and start obeying the ruling class again? This position can only be held by a member of the ruling class and should have no acceptance amongst the working class...

Remember... wall street got bailed out by main street... and now that they are bailed out... they buy some more politicians to fuck the american people again... why not break this vicious circle?

This, too much lobbying power, we pay taxes almost as high as some socialist shitwhole like france, and at the same time got nothing to show for it but a generation of PTS, and a bailed out banking system. Our rich have way to much money, too many companies function as basically monopolies, corruption is fucking rampant, americas social support system is one of the shittiest in the western world, we got people brainwashed thinking this is the way to be because of some theory of economics when the reality is, pretty much all the social sciences are united on the single fact that economics by its self is fucking austistic ironically like 333386. It ignores all common sense from any other discipline, and sends us up shit creaks.

What really grinds my gears is that america has seen only small amounts of change in over 250 years. Were behind of where we should be and show no desire to catch up.
Title: Re: Why Occupy Wall Street won't succeed
Post by: Radical Plato on November 17, 2011, 05:21:46 PM
Our rich have way to much money, too many companies function as basically monopolies, corruption is fucking rampant, americas social support system is one of the shittiest in the western world, we got people brainwashed thinking this is the way to be because of some theory of economics when the reality is, pretty much all the social sciences are united on the single fact that economics by its self is fucking autistic ironically like 333386. It ignores all common sense from any other discipline, and sends us up shit creaks.

The average American is completely ignorant to the facts of what happens at the Top of the food chain, and that is because those at the top have designed it that way - it is as if the average American is deeply brainwashed, that's how it appears to other countries anyway, like Australia.  Over here we think your all a pack of war mongering ignoramuses
Title: Re: Why Occupy Wall Street won't succeed
Post by: Voice of Doom on November 17, 2011, 07:02:20 PM
The 'Occupy Wall Street' movement won't succeed because it won't be allowed to succeed.

 It has nothing to do with politcal or philosophical arguments.
Title: Re: Why Occupy Wall Street won't succeed
Post by: Natural Man on November 17, 2011, 07:12:36 PM
I dont give a fuck if someone is billions times richer than me. It has been proven countless times it doesnt make them happier, or me more miserable than them. Just look at the random stories of these people who end overdosing on heroin, have kids killing themselves, go in rehab, need to be on anti depressants and other drugs 24/7 365 days a year just to stay, feel, alive.

I dont give a fuck also because i know most of the time they deserve it. Their parents, grand parents, grand grand parents worked their asses off to get themsleves where they are in the social pyramid of mankind.

BUT, i have a problem when these cynical assholes want to import the whole third world in occident in order to lower salaries and increase even further their benefits doing so, when they import billions of illiterate, anti white racist muslims to dilute the white lower social classes with them to create a new global , dumbed down lower class. Slaves who will work for nothing until they finally sooner or later completely get replaced by fucking machines, robots.

 This is my problem with some of the  sarcastic assholes who lead the world. I also hate it when they promote politically correct multiculturalism when anyone from the lower social classes perfectly knows multiculturalism doesnt work, immigrants stick together solely based on their skin color first and foremost and communautarism starts to spread sooner or later opposing white and colored people.


All of this is a complete, total, repeat of what happened countless times in the past of mankind. And this is not going to end "well" for everyone as a major selection will take place, and only a few will remain.
The economic crisis will lead to at least 10 years of recession, lot of unemployed people worldwide, major shifts in power between nations, and ultimately to a new world war, without a doubt. After years of being unemployed and malnourished, you can be sure the average joe will as usual need a scapegoat, and it will be the "guy with a different skin color".

Was there any way to prevent all of this? No. Fact is mankind as a whole has no control over itself, it just wanders eratically thru time and space, and humans just care about themselves. Nature , life itself, produces inequalities. To end suffering, inequalities must be anihilated as they generate inequalities. Which means that to anihilate inequalities... then we have to anihilate life itself.

At some point the richest, most powerful humans on earth wont need slaves anymore, once technology will replace all need for menial labor.
You do the maths. Another major selection will take place. These major events, selections, are cyclical, systemic.

We are powerless to change the rules of nature, of our animality. We can cry as much as we want, it s not going to change anything. None of you, of us, is born in the upper part of the social pyramid of mankind. None of us will ever fathom the power these people have. And all of us wish we could, because as animals we re fascinated by power, domination, we only exist to dominate, survive, adapt, with what mother nature, our parents, gave us, and that's about it.

Title: Re: Why Occupy Wall Street won't succeed
Post by: tbombz on November 17, 2011, 08:16:59 PM
One global government? Are you kidding? Countries are failing and you think bringing them all together to have the whole fail is the answer? Commonsense....no one has any!
lets make an analogy to the private sector shall we. i know you conservatives love thinking of government like business.

lets say government is phone service.

as it stands now, we have hundreds of different providers for the world. Some good, some bad. In some areas people pay a ton, other areas people get it for free. in one area smart phones are available, in another area only old fashioned wired phones with the trun style dialing system are available. some providors providors provide patchy service and limited areas of operation, other providors cover the span of the globe with perfect clarity.  some providers are going bankrupt, other are profiting.

if we owned one of the big providors, with great service, smart phones, cheap service, and good customer service...   what would be in our best interest, and in the best interest of everyone on the planet?  to merge with all the other providers, take over all the business, make our quality service and phones available to everyone. we get all the money, all the business, allowing us to provide service for cheaper, and allowing the whole worlds standard of living to increase.

now why would you let the fact that certain phone providers are going bankrupt, whether because of bad marketing or bad service or bad coverage, dissuade you from making this merger? their failures have nothing to do with you or the potentialities of the monopoly you will form. in anything, if failure did occur once a merger happened then fixing that failure would be much faster and more effecient compared to when the providers were divirsified because all resources would be consolidated available for use and no negotiations would be necessary.


you probably wont read or understand that but anyways..