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Title: Obama's Job Approval Drops Below Carter's
Post by: Coach is Back! on November 29, 2011, 11:58:08 AM
President Obama's slow ride down Gallup's daily presidential job approval index has finally passed below Jimmy Carter, earning Obama the worst job approval rating of any president at this stage of his term in modern political history.

Since March, Obama's job approval rating has hovered above Carter's, considered among the 20th century's worst presidents, but today Obama's punctured Carter's dismal job approval line. On their comparison chart, Gallup put Obama's job approval rating at 43 percent compared to Carter's 51 percent.

[Check out our editorial cartoons on President Obama.]

Back in 1979, Carter was far below Obama until the Iran hostage crisis, eerily being duplicated in Tehran today with Iranian protesters storming the British embassy. The early days of the crisis helped Carter's ratings, though his failure to win the release of captured Americans, coupled with a bad economy, led to his defeat by Ronald Reagan in 1980.

According to Gallup, here are the job approval numbers for other presidents at this stage of their terms, a year before the re-election campaign:

-- Harry S. Truman: 54 percent.

-- Dwight Eisenhower: 78 percent.

-- Lyndon B. Johnson: 44 percent.

-- Richard M. Nixon: 50 percent.

-- Ronald Reagan: 54 percent.

-- George H.W. Bush: 52 percent.

-- Bill Clinton: 51 percent.

-- George W. Bush: 55 percent.

What's more, Gallup finds that Obama's overall job approval rating so far has averaged 49 percent. Only three former presidents have had a worse average rating at this stage: Carter, Ford, and Harry S. Truman. Only Truman won re-election in an anti-Congress campaign that Obama's team is using as a model.

[Vote now: Will Obama be a one-term president?]

Many pundits believe that job approval ratings are the key number to look at when determining if a president will win re-election. Generally, they feel that a president should be higher than 47 percent to win re-election.

Obama's troubles have revived talk in Democratic circles that Vice President Joe Biden should be replaced by the politically popular Hillary Clinton. She plans to leave as secretary of state at the end of Obama's term no matter what happens in the re-election.

A key Democratic source said that Clinton could help revive the Democratic base and bring in Clinton backers, with whom the administration has had a cool relationship. Clinton has repeatedly rejected talk of her swapping roles with Biden, but Democratic operatives eager to keep the president in office believe that she would be the key to winning educated white voters and liberals upset with the administration's actions.


http://www.usnews.com/news/blogs/washington-whispers/2011/11/29/obamas-job-approval-drops-below-carters
Title: Re: Obama's Job Approval Drops Below Carter's
Post by: reppingfor20 on November 29, 2011, 12:05:19 PM
your post approval has dropped below zero.

Title: Re: Obama's Job Approval Drops Below Carter's
Post by: tendonitis on November 29, 2011, 12:07:17 PM
Hillary Clinton one heartbeat away from the Presidency.
That brother better be watching his back 24/7.
Title: Re: Obama's Job Approval Drops Below Carter's
Post by: Shockwave on November 29, 2011, 12:22:44 PM
People are waking up to Obamas bullshit finally.
Title: Re: Obama's Job Approval Drops Below Carter's
Post by: aesthetics on November 29, 2011, 12:40:58 PM
People are waking up to Obamas bullshit finally.

to fall into the republicans? what difference does that make? congress has a 9% approval rating yet idiots still go out and vote for people they don't even want in office. the political system is a joke.
Title: Re: Obama's Job Approval Drops Below Carter's
Post by: Shockwave on November 29, 2011, 12:48:52 PM
to fall into the republicans? what difference does that make? congress has a 9% approval rating yet idiots still go out and vote for people they don't even want in office. the political system is a joke.
You mistake me for a party guy cause I hate Obama. I think they're both crooks, but Obama Imho OS a huge piece of shit.

I'm for common sense, and I'm against whoever is furthest away from common sense.
Right now that's Obama.
Title: Re: Obama's Job Approval Drops Below Carter's
Post by: supernick on November 29, 2011, 12:53:25 PM
hahahah and we all thought carter was the worst president ever  hahahha
Title: Re: Obama's Job Approval Drops Below Carter's
Post by: Kulutues on November 29, 2011, 12:55:22 PM
Of course Obama is like Carter on roids.  All empty rhetoric, wellfare nanny state government spending and wealth redistribution
Title: Re: Obama's Job Approval Drops Below Carter's
Post by: 240 is Back on November 29, 2011, 12:56:50 PM
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Title: Re: Obama's Job Approval Drops Below Carter's
Post by: arce1988 on November 29, 2011, 02:49:04 PM
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Title: Re: Obama's Job Approval Drops Below Carter's
Post by: aesthetics on November 29, 2011, 02:51:33 PM
You mistake me for a party guy cause I hate Obama. I think they're both crooks, but Obama Imho OS a huge piece of shit.

I'm for common sense, and I'm against whoever is furthest away from common sense.
Right now that's Obama.

oh, alright i agree with that in my own interpretation. i don't think obama is going to lose, perry or romney aren't very strong candidates so it would have to depend entirely on how the economy (i.e the stock market) holds up until november
Title: Re: Obama's Job Approval Drops Below Carter's
Post by: _bruce_ on November 29, 2011, 02:52:24 PM
Of course Obama is like Carter on roids.  All empty rhetoric, wellfare nanny state government spending and wealth redistribution

x2
Title: Re: Obama's Job Approval Drops Below Carter's
Post by: Soul Crusher on November 29, 2011, 02:57:38 PM
 ;D
Title: Re: Obama's Job Approval Drops Below Carter's
Post by: reppingfor20 on November 29, 2011, 04:02:00 PM
wealth redistribution is good for the country and it's people.


Title: Re: Obama's Job Approval Drops Below Carter's
Post by: Shockwave on November 29, 2011, 04:07:32 PM
wealth redistribution is good for the country and it's people.



Lulz.
You have to be the greatest troll ever.
Cant believe some people get so workerd up over you/actually think youre a serious poster. Lol.
Title: Re: Obama's Job Approval Drops Below Carter's
Post by: Coach is Back! on November 29, 2011, 04:14:25 PM
That's why we don't need her on here.
Title: Re: Obama's Job Approval Drops Below Carter's
Post by: aesthetics on November 29, 2011, 04:35:04 PM
wealth redistribution is good for the country and it's people.




not when it's in the current form, where the government extracts wealth from the poor and working class and funnels it to the rich
Title: Re: Obama's Job Approval Drops Below Carter's
Post by: napaulm on November 29, 2011, 05:30:15 PM
so lets all vote republican! their platform is awesome! thing is, we send troops to fight and kill and die, and we support overthrowing religious states so they can become democratic, yet, they want to turn this country into a fukkin religious state! bible rules, bitches.
we were warned by jefferson and adams to beware the religious right, yet the republican party is all about that.
ron paul!
Title: Re: Obama's Job Approval Drops Below Carter's
Post by: thelamefalsehood on November 29, 2011, 05:50:08 PM
so lets all vote republican! their platform is awesome! thing is, we send troops to fight and kill and die, and we support overthrowing religious states so they can become democratic, yet, they want to turn this country into a fukkin religious state! bible rules, bitches.
we were warned by jefferson and adams to beware the religious right, yet the republican party is all about that.
ron paul!

Hey look everyone, it's Jstunami's-- "sucksdickfor$20"--new gimmick "analpaulm". Seriously JT, you are way to easy to figure out.
Title: Re: Obama's Job Approval Drops Below Carter's
Post by: Max_Rep on November 29, 2011, 05:51:12 PM
;D

No way gas prices were $1.83 on inauguration day. Kind of makes every other number suspect.
Title: Re: Obama's Job Approval Drops Below Carter's
Post by: tbombz on November 29, 2011, 05:53:12 PM
and what do you think mccains approval rating would be right now?
Title: Re: Obama's Job Approval Drops Below Carter's
Post by: Coach is Back! on November 29, 2011, 05:53:55 PM
and what do you think mccains approval rating would be right now?

Who cares, he ain't the Prez.
Title: Re: Obama's Job Approval Drops Below Carter's
Post by: tbombz on November 29, 2011, 05:57:46 PM
Who cares, he ain't the Prez.
it matters. lets say the ideal conservative was in office. he killed the epa, cut taxes on corporations, didnt put in the healthcare reform.. and everything else the republicans think should have happened/should be done. what do you think his approval rating would be ?
Title: Re: Obama's Job Approval Drops Below Carter's
Post by: Army of One on November 29, 2011, 06:00:47 PM
Coach's head drops below Bill Pearl's belt line
Title: Re: Obama's Job Approval Drops Below Carter's
Post by: bigkid on November 29, 2011, 06:03:26 PM
I still can't figure out why the most anti-business president of all time was elected to try and clean up the biggest economic disaster since the depression.
Title: Re: Obama's Job Approval Drops Below Carter's
Post by: Shockwave on November 29, 2011, 06:04:01 PM
I still can't figure out why the most anti-business president of all time was elected to try and clean up the biggest economic disaster since the depression.
x2

I think it was more of a "Hes not Bush" Thing.
Almost everyone I know of that voted for him, voted for him because they associated the republican party with everything Bush, and all they wanted was "Change"  ::)
Title: Re: Obama's Job Approval Drops Below Carter's
Post by: bigkid on November 29, 2011, 06:07:57 PM
x2

I think it was more of a "Hes not Bush" Thing.
Almost everyone I know of that voted for him, voted for him because they associated the republican party with everything Bush, and all they wanted was "Change"  ::)
I totally agree.  I used to be really into politics, but that actions of both parties the last 6 or so years really soured me on it.
Title: Re: Obama's Job Approval Drops Below Carter's
Post by: thelamefalsehood on November 29, 2011, 06:12:47 PM
it matters. lets say the ideal conservative was in office. he killed the epa, cut taxes on corporations, didnt put in the healthcare reform.. and everything else the republicans think should have happened/should be done. what do you think his approval rating would be ?


Doing these two things alone would go far in reversing course with the mess we are in. And even if those two things skewed the approval rating at there onset, approval ratings would eventually go up simply because the economy got back on track. I'm sure you will now tell me how wrong and misinformed I am ::)
Title: Re: Obama's Job Approval Drops Below Carter's
Post by: tbombz on November 29, 2011, 06:12:56 PM
I still can't figure out why the most anti-business president of all time was elected to try and clean up the biggest economic disaster since the depression.
 ::) obama is extremely pragmatic and has been very agreeable with republicans on most economic issues, from taxation to regulation, he has angered the left on numerous issues by siding with conservatives.
Title: Re: Obama's Job Approval Drops Below Carter's
Post by: tbombz on November 29, 2011, 06:14:38 PM

Doing these two things alone would go far in reversing course with the mess we are in. And even if those two things skewed the approval rating at there onset, approval ratings would eventually go up simply because the economy got back on track. I'm sure you will now tell me how wrong and misinformed I am ::)
sure, doing both of those things would improve the economy, at the very least, in the short run. and yup, approval ratings would probably go up because of it. your not wrong there.

but the long terms costs, both social and economic, associated with both of those actions owuld far outweigh the short term benefits.
Title: Re: Obama's Job Approval Drops Below Carter's
Post by: njanvi on November 29, 2011, 06:14:59 PM

Doing these two things alone would go far in reversing course with the mess we are in. And even if those two things skewed the approval rating at there onset, approval ratings would eventually go up simply because the economy got back on track. I'm sure you will now tell me how wrong and misinformed I am ::)

So you not only want to breath smog and drink dirty water, you'll gladly do it w no way of treating the illness that results from it ???
Title: Re: Obama's Job Approval Drops Below Carter's
Post by: bigkid on November 29, 2011, 06:15:55 PM
 ::) obama is extremely pragmatic and has been very agreeable with republicans on most economic issues, from taxation to regulation, he has angered the left on numerous issues by siding with conservatives.
What do you do for a living?  You're obviously not a business owner.
Title: Re: Obama's Job Approval Drops Below Carter's
Post by: tbombz on November 29, 2011, 06:17:05 PM
So you not only want to breath smog and drink dirty water, you'll gladly do it w no way of treating the illness that results from it ???
bro, the market regulates itself, dont you know that. government regulations are bound to be at the least ineffecient, most likely ineffective, and at worse counter productive.
Title: Re: Obama's Job Approval Drops Below Carter's
Post by: deadz on November 29, 2011, 06:18:05 PM
President Obama's slow ride down Gallup's daily presidential job approval index has finally passed below Jimmy Carter, earning Obama the worst job approval rating of any president at this stage of his term in modern political history.

Since March, Obama's job approval rating has hovered above Carter's, considered among the 20th century's worst presidents, but today Obama's punctured Carter's dismal job approval line. On their comparison chart, Gallup put Obama's job approval rating at 43 percent compared to Carter's 51 percent.

[Check out our editorial cartoons on President Obama.]

Back in 1979, Carter was far below Obama until the Iran hostage crisis, eerily being duplicated in Tehran today with Iranian protesters storming the British embassy. The early days of the crisis helped Carter's ratings, though his failure to win the release of captured Americans, coupled with a bad economy, led to his defeat by Ronald Reagan in 1980.

According to Gallup, here are the job approval numbers for other presidents at this stage of their terms, a year before the re-election campaign:

-- Harry S. Truman: 54 percent.

-- Dwight Eisenhower: 78 percent.

-- Lyndon B. Johnson: 44 percent.

-- Richard M. Nixon: 50 percent.

-- Ronald Reagan: 54 percent.

-- George H.W. Bush: 52 percent.

-- Bill Clinton: 51 percent.

-- George W. Bush: 55 percent.

What's more, Gallup finds that Obama's overall job approval rating so far has averaged 49 percent. Only three former presidents have had a worse average rating at this stage: Carter, Ford, and Harry S. Truman. Only Truman won re-election in an anti-Congress campaign that Obama's team is using as a model.

[Vote now: Will Obama be a one-term president?]

Many pundits believe that job approval ratings are the key number to look at when determining if a president will win re-election. Generally, they feel that a president should be higher than 47 percent to win re-election.

Obama's troubles have revived talk in Democratic circles that Vice President Joe Biden should be replaced by the politically popular Hillary Clinton. She plans to leave as secretary of state at the end of Obama's term no matter what happens in the re-election.

A key Democratic source said that Clinton could help revive the Democratic base and bring in Clinton backers, with whom the administration has had a cool relationship. Clinton has repeatedly rejected talk of her swapping roles with Biden, but Democratic operatives eager to keep the president in office believe that she would be the key to winning educated white voters and liberals upset with the administration's actions.


http://www.usnews.com/news/blogs/washington-whispers/2011/11/29/obamas-job-approval-drops-below-carters
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Title: Re: Obama's Job Approval Drops Below Carter's
Post by: njanvi on November 29, 2011, 06:18:51 PM
bro, the market regulates itself, dont you know that. government regulations are bound to be at the least ineffecient, most likely ineffective, and at worse counter productive.

In the very long term, that is absolutely true. Question for u is how many kids are u willing to have die while we wait for the market to self correct?
Title: Re: Obama's Job Approval Drops Below Carter's
Post by: tbombz on November 29, 2011, 06:19:00 PM
What do you do for a living?  You're obviously not a business owner.
im a candidate for president in 2012. i promise to get rid of the minimum wage, all environmental regulations on business, remove the healthcare reform from law, take away unions rights to collective bargaining and reduce corporate tax rates down to 3%. will you vote for me?
Title: Re: Obama's Job Approval Drops Below Carter's
Post by: thelamefalsehood on November 29, 2011, 06:19:29 PM
So you not only want to breath smog and drink dirty water, you'll gladly do it w no way of treating the illness that results from it ???

I have healthcare and so does my family. I drink bottled water as well and live near unpolluted air, so I'm good. Problems solved  ;)
Title: Re: Obama's Job Approval Drops Below Carter's
Post by: tbombz on November 29, 2011, 06:20:05 PM
In the very long term, that is absolutely true. Question for u is how many kids are u willing to have die while we wait for the market to self correct?
 ;D in theory its true but in practice its bullshit. i was being facetious.
Title: Re: Obama's Job Approval Drops Below Carter's
Post by: njanvi on November 29, 2011, 06:20:38 PM
I have healthcare and so does my family. I drink bottled water as well and live near unpolluted air, so I'm good. Problems solved  ;)

And fuck everyone else, right  ???
Title: Re: Obama's Job Approval Drops Below Carter's
Post by: njanvi on November 29, 2011, 06:21:43 PM
 ;D in theory its true but in practice its bullshit. i was being facetious.

 ;D
This blind belief in markets being self correcting never ceases to amaze me.
Title: Re: Obama's Job Approval Drops Below Carter's
Post by: thelamefalsehood on November 29, 2011, 06:28:00 PM
And fuck everyone else, right  ???

I don't mind being "my brothers keeper", but sometimes your brother is a lazy bum who needs his ass kicked.
Title: Re: Obama's Job Approval Drops Below Carter's
Post by: njanvi on November 29, 2011, 06:30:12 PM
I don't mind being "my brothers keeper", but sometimes your brother is a lazy bum who needs his ass kicked.

Nope, except we can't individually clean the air or water. In this case, collective action indeed is required.
I'm a small, limited govt guy, however, I happen to believe that this is one of the most important functions of government.
Title: Re: Obama's Job Approval Drops Below Carter's
Post by: njanvi on November 29, 2011, 06:32:20 PM
I don't mind being "my brothers keeper", but sometimes your brother is a lazy bum who needs his ass kicked.

Btw, why is it that so many seem to believe that whomever does not have is lazy and unwilling to work?
Plenty of hard working folk out there struggling just to get by man
Title: Re: Obama's Job Approval Drops Below Carter's
Post by: bigkid on November 29, 2011, 06:37:35 PM
im a candidate for president in 2012. i promise to get rid of the minimum wage, all environmental regulations on business, remove the healthcare reform from law, take away unions rights to collective bargaining and reduce corporate tax rates down to 3%. will you vote for me?
Nope.  The useless paper work I have to do for my business has at least doubled if not tripled in the last 3 years. Every month, I have a new fresh out of college kid at the door telling me out a new govt regulation to comply with.  Really important stuff too.  I have porta pottys on my job sites.  I now have to document the exact time and first and last name of the guy cleaning the toilets.  We use primus labs for our food safety program.  They are considered the top level food safety auditing company.  Well guess what, now the govt has decided to come up with their own program.  Hit you with a fee for more govt workers to come out.  I had to buy a govt supplied wind sock and measure the wind on a job site.  I could go on and on. They even sent a kid that couldn't speak english.  I'm serious, not a lick of english.

The funny thing is, where we need regulation, on wall street, we've got none.  Obama's buddy John Corzine just bankrupted his company using insane leverage with risky bets.  My buddy has an investment company.  He used MF global as a clearinghouse for some of his accounts.  His accounts are required by law to be segregated from MF globals own funds.  Well they weren't, and now all his money and clients money is frozen/missing right now.  So basically this administration cares more about who's cleaning shit out of my toilets then they do righting the wrongs that got us in this economic meltdown.
Title: Re: Obama's Job Approval Drops Below Carter's
Post by: Shockwave on November 29, 2011, 06:42:06 PM
Nope.  The useless paper work I have to do for my business has at least doubled if not tripled in the last 3 years. Every month, I have a new fresh out of college kid at the door telling me out a new govt regulation to comply with.  Really important stuff too.  I have porta pottys on my job sites.  I now have to document the exact time and first and last name of the guy cleaning the toilets.  We use primus labs for our food safety program.  They are considered the top level food safety auditing company.  Well guess what, now the govt has decided to come up with their own program.  Hit you with a fee for more govt workers to come out.  I had to buy a govt supplied wind sock and measure the wind on a job site.  I could go on and on. They even sent a kid that couldn't speak english.  I'm serious, not a lick of english.

The funny thing is, where we need regulation, on wall street, we've got none.  Obama's buddy John Corzine just bankrupted his company using insane leverage with risky bets.  My buddy has an investment company.  He used MF global as a clearinghouse for some of his accounts.  His accounts are required by law to be segregated from MF globals own funds.  Well they weren't, and now all his money and clients money is frozen/missing right now.  So basically this administration cares more about who's cleaning shit out of my toilets then they do righting the wrongs that got us in this economic meltdown.

People wont like hearing the truth.
Title: Re: Obama's Job Approval Drops Below Carter's
Post by: thelamefalsehood on November 29, 2011, 06:47:59 PM
Btw, why is it that so many seem to believe that whomever does not have is lazy and unwilling to work?
Plenty of hard working folk out there struggling just to get by man

Thats what I also meant when I said "my brothers keeper". If a guy is having a hard time getting a job but is trying, most people have no problem giving a helping hand, me included. But our society as a whole, seem to be just as happy to just take a handout. You didn't see this years ago, but we have a sense of entitlement that has spread like the plague in the last 10-15 years.
Title: Re: Obama's Job Approval Drops Below Carter's
Post by: thelamefalsehood on November 29, 2011, 06:50:54 PM
Nope.  The useless paper work I have to do for my business has at least doubled if not tripled in the last 3 years. Every month, I have a new fresh out of college kid at the door telling me out a new govt regulation to comply with.  Really important stuff too.  I have porta pottys on my job sites.  I now have to document the exact time and first and last name of the guy cleaning the toilets.  We use primus labs for our food safety program.  They are considered the top level food safety auditing company.  Well guess what, now the govt has decided to come up with their own program.  Hit you with a fee for more govt workers to come out.  I had to buy a govt supplied wind sock and measure the wind on a job site.  I could go on and on. They even sent a kid that couldn't speak english.  I'm serious, not a lick of english.

The funny thing is, where we need regulation, on wall street, we've got none.  Obama's buddy John Corzine just bankrupted his company using insane leverage with risky bets.  My buddy has an investment company.  He used MF global as a clearinghouse for some of his accounts.  His accounts are required by law to be segregated from MF globals own funds.  Well they weren't, and now all his money and clients money is frozen/missing right now.  So basically this administration cares more about who's cleaning shit out of my toilets then they do righting the wrongs that got us in this economic meltdown.

Tbombz, you just got pwned. A real life business owner with real life experience in this bad economy. Go ahead and tell him how he is wrong to complain. How all these government regulations are for his own good. This is a dose of reality hairy....
Title: Re: Obama's Job Approval Drops Below Carter's
Post by: Montague on November 29, 2011, 06:52:53 PM
Nope.  The useless paper work I have to do for my business has at least doubled if not tripled in the last 3 years. Every month, I have a new fresh out of college kid at the door telling me out a new govt regulation to comply with.  Really important stuff too.  I have porta pottys on my job sites.  I now have to document the exact time and first and last name of the guy cleaning the toilets.  We use primus labs for our food safety program.  They are considered the top level food safety auditing company.  Well guess what, now the govt has decided to come up with their own program.  Hit you with a fee for more govt workers to come out.  I had to buy a govt supplied wind sock and measure the wind on a job site.  I could go on and on. They even sent a kid that couldn't speak english.  I'm serious, not a lick of english.

The funny thing is, where we need regulation, on wall street, we've got none.  Obama's buddy John Corzine just bankrupted his company using insane leverage with risky bets.  My buddy has an investment company.  He used MF global as a clearinghouse for some of his accounts.  His accounts are required by law to be segregated from MF globals own funds.  Well they weren't, and now all his money and clients money is frozen/missing right now.  So basically this administration cares more about who's cleaning shit out of my toilets then they do righting the wrongs that got us in this economic meltdown.


Excellent post!
Very good facts.
Title: Re: Obama's Job Approval Drops Below Carter's
Post by: tbombz on November 29, 2011, 08:25:42 PM
If this is true you shouldn't have any problems looking into your business records to provide some details that would allow us to confirm your story.

The name of a new regulation you've had to deal with.


Nope.  The useless paper work I have to do for my business has at least doubled if not tripled in the last 3 years. Every month, I have a new fresh out of college kid at the door telling me out a new govt regulation to comply with.  Really important stuff too.  I have porta pottys on my job sites.  I now have to document the exact time and first and last name of the guy cleaning the toilets.  We use primus labs for our food safety program.  They are considered the top level food safety auditing company.  Well guess what, now the govt has decided to come up with their own program.  Hit you with a fee for more govt workers to come out.  I had to buy a govt supplied wind sock and measure the wind on a job site.  I could go on and on. They even sent a kid that couldn't speak english.  I'm serious, not a lick of english.

The funny thing is, where we need regulation, on wall street, we've got none.  Obama's buddy John Corzine just bankrupted his company using insane leverage with risky bets.  My buddy has an investment company.  He used MF global as a clearinghouse for some of his accounts.  His accounts are required by law to be segregated from MF globals own funds.  Well they weren't, and now all his money and clients money is frozen/missing right now.  So basically this administration cares more about who's cleaning shit out of my toilets then they do righting the wrongs that got us in this economic meltdown.
Title: Re: Obama's Job Approval Drops Below Carter's
Post by: aesthetics on November 29, 2011, 08:32:06 PM
even though the epa is largely corrupt like every other corporate oversight agency, if the epa didn't exist we'd have orange and yellow lakes and rivers like they do in china, our world would be indistinguishable from the inside of willa wonka's chocolate factory because there would be so much pollution coloring everything psychedelic colors
Title: Re: Obama's Job Approval Drops Below Carter's
Post by: Nomad on November 29, 2011, 09:05:26 PM
wealth redistribution is good for the country and it's people.



Lulz.
You have to be the greatest troll ever.
Cant believe some people get so workerd up over you/actually think youre a serious poster. Lol.

Sadly he does have a point albeit I am sure his aim is misplaced. When the financial sector of a country goes above 20% of total profit ( or is it total revenue, i need to look @ the study(s)), that always results in economic instability. Ie, countries with high financial distribution inequality are more unstable ( statistically ) then countries with lower financial distribution inequality. Now pay attention to what I said earlier, I specifically singled out the "financial sector". Who is raking in ridiculous profits at the moment without putting in any real work  ( actually lending the gov money that the gov lent them at 0% interest rates ) take a wild guess. That's not capitalism anymore, that's not hard work... that's straight up bullshit rigging the system.

Only problem is...how the fuck do you cap the banks from making too much profit?!?! How the fuck do you regulate these motherfuckers.
Title: Re: Obama's Job Approval Drops Below Carter's
Post by: tom joad on November 29, 2011, 09:16:21 PM
bottom line:  Obama's gonna get re-elected.
Title: Re: Obama's Job Approval Drops Below Carter's
Post by: Soul Crusher on November 29, 2011, 09:17:49 PM
bottom line:  Obama's gonna get re-elected.

LOL.   yeah if all the welfare idiots, racist blacks, union thugs, and govt workers wake up before noon that day. 
Title: Re: Obama's Job Approval Drops Below Carter's
Post by: tom joad on November 29, 2011, 09:20:03 PM
LOL.   yeah if all the welfare idiots, racist blacks, union thugs, and govt workers wake up before noon that day. 

which Republican presidential candidates do you think can beat Obama?  and who do you think the GOP nominee will be?
Title: Re: Obama's Job Approval Drops Below Carter's
Post by: Soul Crusher on November 29, 2011, 09:22:19 PM
which Republican presidential candidates do you think can beat Obama?  and who do you think the GOP nominee will be?

Doesn't matter.   A B O will be the theme of the day.  Casey Anthony would be better than obama. 
Title: Re: Obama's Job Approval Drops Below Carter's
Post by: gcb on November 29, 2011, 09:43:13 PM
Doesn't matter.   A B O will be the theme of the day.  Casey Anthony would be better than obama. 

I don't think you're right - for starters her childcare policies would suck  ;D
Title: Re: Obama's Job Approval Drops Below Carter's
Post by: Shockwave on November 30, 2011, 07:42:46 AM
I don't think you're right - for starters her childcare policies would suck  ;D
*Drum roll*
Title: Re: Obama's Job Approval Drops Below Carter's
Post by: aesthetics on November 30, 2011, 07:51:47 AM
LOL.   yeah if all the welfare idiots, racist blacks, union thugs, and govt workers wake up before noon that day. 

the racists blacks? lol  ::)
Title: Re: Obama's Job Approval Drops Below Carter's
Post by: Soul Crusher on November 30, 2011, 07:54:04 AM
the racists blacks? lol  ::)

95% of blacks still support obama and plan on voting for him again.   What does that tell you?
Title: Re: Obama's Job Approval Drops Below Carter's
Post by: Shockwave on November 30, 2011, 07:56:29 AM
the racists blacks? lol  ::)
Dont tell me you think Blacks arent racist (obviously not all of them, but the majority I interact with/know are more racist than the others I know. More than youd think are racist against their own kind. Lol)
Title: Re: Obama's Job Approval Drops Below Carter's
Post by: aesthetics on November 30, 2011, 08:02:31 AM
95% of blacks still support obama and plan on voting for him again.   What does that tell you?

how can you infer from this alone that they are racist? black people have always voted democrat anyways, so have poor inner city people on average. also don't know why you would call black people racist when you're the one constantly decrying black people with dog whistle racist remarks and attributing the downfall of american society to them. at least if you are going to be a racist don't be a liberal cowardly racist. embrace the fact you are a racist and a terrible person and own up to it instead of this pathetic and cowardly approach, you will be perceived better.
Title: Re: Obama's Job Approval Drops Below Carter's
Post by: Soul Crusher on November 30, 2011, 08:03:39 AM
how can you infer from this alone that they are racist? black people have always voted democrat anyways, so have poor inner city people on average. also don't know why you would call black people racist when you're the one constantly decrying black people with dog whistle racist remarks and attributing the downfall of american society to them. at least if you are going to be a racist don't be a liberal cowardly racist. embrace the fact you are a racist and a terrible person and own up to it instead of this pathetic and cowardly approach, you will be perceived better.


95% ? ? ? ?


If 95% of whites voted for McCain over Obama - what would the memo have been? 
Title: Re: Obama's Job Approval Drops Below Carter's
Post by: aesthetics on November 30, 2011, 08:04:05 AM
Dont tell me you think Blacks arent racist (obviously not all of them, but the majority I interact with/know are more racist than the others I know. More than youd think are racist against their own kind. Lol)

i think every single person on this planet is racist to a certain extent and i don't see why the distinction needed to be pointed out specifically and only regarding blacks. it's as if there aren't racists of other ethnic groups voting based on their racism or something. pretty disingenuous and racist in and of it self.
Title: Re: Obama's Job Approval Drops Below Carter's
Post by: wild willie on November 30, 2011, 08:05:38 AM
Benny B. will probably vote for Nobama!
Title: Re: Obama's Job Approval Drops Below Carter's
Post by: Shockwave on November 30, 2011, 08:06:24 AM
i think every single person on this planet is racist to a certain extent and i don't see why the distinction needed to be pointed out specifically and only regarding blacks. it's as if there aren't racists of other ethnic groups voting based on their racism or something. pretty disingenuous and racist in and of it self.
Of course not, but if you look at todays PC environment, the feeling is that only Whites can be racist, and blacks can  NEVER be racist.

Hell, even family guy makes fun of this fact, that Blacks are allowed to be as racist as they want, but if a white person is even SUSPECTED of being racist, his whole life gets destroyed.

Thats what I was getting at.
Title: Re: Obama's Job Approval Drops Below Carter's
Post by: aesthetics on November 30, 2011, 08:07:13 AM

95% ? ? ? ?


If 95% of whites voted for McCain over Obama - what would the memo have been? 

that's not of total black people, that's just of black people who voted and i'm assuming that number is correct because i don't care to double check it. anyways, as i said, of course poor inner city people without strong religious affiliations will only vote democrat because democrats pander to the poor with their rhetoric while republicans openly demonize the poor. it's not some big conspiracy here for why poor people vote democrat, it's pretty obvious actually
Title: Re: Obama's Job Approval Drops Below Carter's
Post by: aesthetics on November 30, 2011, 08:08:45 AM
Of course not, but if you look at todays PC environment, the feeling is that only Whites can be racist, and blacks can  NEVER be racist.

Hell, even family guy makes fun of this fact, that Blacks are allowed to be as racist as they want, but if a white person is even SUSPECTED of being racist, his whole life gets destroyed.

Thats what I was getting at.

yes, i don't agree with liberalism mentality either because the hypocrisy and contradictions are too self evident
Title: Re: Obama's Job Approval Drops Below Carter's
Post by: Shockwave on November 30, 2011, 08:12:51 AM
yes, i don't agree with liberalism mentality either because the hypocrisy and contradictions are too self evident
Yeah, its rediculous.
I dont understand why one of the parties can stop pandering to the extreme left/right and put out a sensible candidate...

IMHO, if even one of the parties gave up their extreme polarizing left/right fight for one election, and ran a middle of the road, sensible cadidate, he'd win in a landslide.

I guess the old saying about how the "he who yells the loudest" still follows... the extreme left/right are the smallest group, but yell the loudest, and they dictate what the parties stances are, rather than listening to the (relatively) quite majority....
Title: Re: Obama's Job Approval Drops Below Carter's
Post by: zwide on November 30, 2011, 05:57:47 PM
I think Americans need to wake up to the world and realize the truth that after the the depression cause by ALL AMERICANS contributed to the downfall from the oversized houses to the oversized cars....!!!

That being said its the quick fixes that will just drive Americans back to another depression ...

TIGHTEN YOUR BELTS AND FIX THE POLICIES ....
Title: Re: Obama's Job Approval Drops Below Carter's
Post by: reppingfor20 on November 30, 2011, 07:22:18 PM
even though the epa is largely corrupt like every other corporate oversight agency, if the epa didn't exist we'd have orange and yellow lakes and rivers like they do in china, our world would be indistinguishable from the inside of willa wonka's chocolate factory because there would be so much pollution coloring everything psychedelic colors

good post
Title: Re: Obama's Job Approval Drops Below Carter's
Post by: reppingfor20 on November 30, 2011, 07:23:48 PM
Sadly he does have a point albeit I am sure his aim is misplaced. When the financial sector of a country goes above 20% of total profit ( or is it total revenue, i need to look @ the study(s)), that always results in economic instability. Ie, countries with high financial distribution inequality are more unstable ( statistically ) then countries with lower financial distribution inequality. Now pay attention to what I said earlier, I specifically singled out the "financial sector". Who is raking in ridiculous profits at the moment without putting in any real work  ( actually lending the gov money that the gov lent them at 0% interest rates ) take a wild guess. That's not capitalism anymore, that's not hard work... that's straight up bullshit rigging the system.

Only problem is...how the fuck do you cap the banks from making too much profit?!?! How the fuck do you regulate these motherfuckers.

The jews have infiltrated my brother, people never learn from history, jews have done this all over the world since it's beginning.

Title: Re: Obama's Job Approval Drops Below Carter's
Post by: reppingfor20 on November 30, 2011, 07:27:21 PM
yes, i don't agree with liberalism mentality either because the hypocrisy and contradictions are too self evident

Being a progressive is evolution, being a conservative is like a primate still dragging it's hands on the ground.  We need to evolve.  Conservatives are the biggest hypocrites of them all.  All claim to be devout Christians yet get caught up in sexual scandals, lie all the time, but claim they are Christians.  They also hate the poor, it doesn't seem like conservatives actually read the bible, they listen to talk radio because most of the base hasn't gone to college and do not know how to think for themselves.

Title: Re: Obama's Job Approval Drops Below Carter's
Post by: Soul Crusher on November 30, 2011, 07:27:37 PM
You don't rep shit for 20.      I bet your sorry flabby ass could not do a 45 lbs bar for 20 reps by the look of ou.  
Title: Re: Obama's Job Approval Drops Below Carter's
Post by: aesthetics on November 30, 2011, 07:34:14 PM
Being a progressive is evolution, being a conservative is like a primate still dragging it's hands on the ground.  We need to evolve.  Conservatives are the biggest hypocrites of them all.  All claim to be devout Christians yet get caught up in sexual scandals, lie all the time, but claim they are Christians.  They also hate the poor, it doesn't seem like conservatives actually read the bible, they listen to talk radio because most of the base hasn't gone to college and do not know how to think for themselves.



progressives hate the poor and are just as racist as "conservatives" in america. i also find there is less hypocrisy with conservatives than with liberals but that is splitting hairs since in america at least, they are largely cut from the same political cloth and barely indistinguishable, except on certain issues. npr is also the very worst radio station and i abhor it more than any other news medium
Title: Re: Obama's Job Approval Drops Below Carter's
Post by: reppingfor20 on December 01, 2011, 08:19:26 AM
progressives hate the poor and are just as racist as "conservatives" in america. i also find there is less hypocrisy with conservatives than with liberals but that is splitting hairs since in america at least, they are largely cut from the same political cloth and barely indistinguishable, except on certain issues. npr is also the very worst radio station and i abhor it more than any other news medium

no progressives do not hate the poor LOL, that is pretty funny, make stuff up.

Title: Re: Obama's Job Approval Drops Below Carter's
Post by: Shockwave on December 01, 2011, 08:37:45 AM
no progressives do not hate the poor LOL, that is pretty funny, make stuff up.


LOL.
Clearly someon buys the liberal rhetoric hook line and sinker.

Heres a clue - What they say, and what they do, are two different things.

Its all well and good to have ideals, but when you blindly follow whichever group you think fits your idealistic view of how things should be, without actually paying attention to their action, that makes you as big or a bigger hypocrite than the conservatives you rail against.

At least the republicans dont lie about being for big business, unlike Obama, who continually speaks on how hes going to help health care for those who cant help themselves, but then signs a rediculous agreement with big PhRMA in the white house to promise NOT to import cheap medicine to help bring medicine prices down, in addition to a ton of other shit that does nothing to help people, just line PhRMA's pockets.

But im sure you already knew that.

Dont ignore or rationalize it JT, you know its the truth.

FYI Im not a conservative extremist, Im a common sense man. I feel Ron Paul is the ideal candidate in this mess.
Title: Re: Obama's Job Approval Drops Below Carter's
Post by: reppingfor20 on December 01, 2011, 11:28:41 AM
LOL.
Clearly someon buys the liberal rhetoric hook line and sinker.

Heres a clue - What they say, and what they do, are two different things.

Its all well and good to have ideals, but when you blindly follow whichever group you think fits your idealistic view of how things should be, without actually paying attention to their action, that makes you as big or a bigger hypocrite than the conservatives you rail against.

At least the republicans dont lie about being for big business, unlike Obama, who continually speaks on how hes going to help health care for those who cant help themselves, but then signs a rediculous agreement with big PhRMA in the white house to promise NOT to import cheap medicine to help bring medicine prices down, in addition to a ton of other shit that does nothing to help people, just line PhRMA's pockets.

But im sure you already knew that.

Dont ignore or rationalize it JT, you know its the truth.

FYI Im not a conservative extremist, Im a common sense man. I feel Ron Paul is the ideal candidate in this mess.

Obama is protecting the people of America from potentially cheap knockoffs and underdosed medicine.  As well as buying American makes him even more of a patriot. 
Title: Re: Obama's Job Approval Drops Below Carter's
Post by: Soul Crusher on December 01, 2011, 11:33:12 AM
Obama is protecting the people of America from potentially cheap knockoffs and underdosed medicine.  As well as buying American makes him even more of a patriot. 

LMFAO!!!!!
Title: Re: Obama's Job Approval Drops Below Carter's
Post by: thelamefalsehood on December 01, 2011, 11:40:20 AM
Obama is protecting the people of America from potentially cheap knockoffs and underdosed medicine.  As well as buying American makes him even more of a patriot. 

Wow, seriously? I take aciphex for acid reflux. It costs about $10, A PILL, here in the States. I can order it from an overseas pharmacy for .30 a pill and can tell no difference between the two. So thanks Nobama for all your concern ::) Sucksdickfor20/JT/Analpaulm, you have to be the biggest liberal bag of vaginal cleansing product on this entire site.