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Getbig Bodybuilding Boards => Steroids Info & Hardcore => Topic started by: j_mtl on January 17, 2012, 11:13:04 AM
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So i was using tren ace 3x a week at a 100mg with some test prop at 100 mg also, for the last 2 weeks i up the dose to 100mg of tren ed, at first it was fine but at this point i feel fuking sick,i cant get more than 10 min of sleep at night and i been awake for the last 3 fuking days ,whenever i get sleepy i lay down and it seems that i start breathing heavely wich makes me get up right away ... i know trensonia its a side of it, but to that point??? wtf?!
At this point i will cut tren for a week or so and go back to 3 x a week.
anyone has experience anything like that, any input will be apreciated..... thks guys
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do you pin the tren in the afternoon? helps a bit if you pin tren first thing in the morning, can sleep a little better that way.
sleeping pills and hgh helps too.
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yesterday i pined in the afternoon.... big mistake....as for sleeping pills any recomendations??
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as for gh i hav 2 kits of kigs... from the last good batch,before all went to shit....i still have to start using it!im kind of new to the world of hormones hehe ;D ;D
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the sleeping pill brand ambien is expensive as hell, but it works great and much better than generic zolpidem, which always makes me feel shitty and groggy in the morning. otc sleeping pills are in the same boat, always make me feel unrested the next morning - except for melatonin. i take 12mg of that stuff every day, otherwise i'd never fall asleep.
my insurance covers the copay on ambien so for me it's an easy choice (plus you can use it as a recreational drug during the day lol), but otherwise, i believe the copay is about $70, for a 1 month supply (probably depends on insurance coverage though). without insurance i think it costs about $6 per tablet
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Have sex or masturbate. Always sleep like a baby right after I blow my load.
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Have sex or masturbate. Always sleep like a baby right after I blow my load.
Yeah right you must not use good tren,,, lol
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the sleeping pill brand ambien is expensive as hell, but it works great and much better than generic zolpidem, which always makes me feel shitty and groggy in the morning. otc sleeping pills are in the same boat, always make me feel unrested the next morning - except for melatonin. i take 12mg of that stuff every day, otherwise i'd never fall asleep.
my insurance covers the copay on ambien so for me it's an easy choice (plus you can use it as a recreational drug during the day lol), but otherwise, i believe the copay is about $70, for a 1 month supply (probably depends on insurance coverage though). without insurance i think it costs about $6 per tablet
the drugs that u mention copay and ambien are prescriptions drugs right??if so ill have to go see a doc and try to get him to prescribe something like that, and as for melatonin i thought u couldnt take so much... it usually recomends for 1 or 2 caps , so up to 6mg max,for melatonin is an hormone and i remember reading somewhere( dont quote me on that)that it cant be run for to long.
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if you cant sleep from tren, try using FLEXERIL 15mg.
its a muscle relaxer. doesnt do much for the muscles but it will totallly knock you out. the only prob is it will make you sleepy for a good 12+ hrs. so i recommend taking it around 5pm otherwise you wont be able to function at work the next day. its dirt cheap, usually less than your copay. PLEASE DONT DRIVE if you take it.
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Got 0 sides fron trenbologna enanthate,you should try it and see if it works.but bog was right again,after 3 months my body somehow got used to it,i cannot feel it at all and also i am stagnating,no progress.Already ordered some acetate...
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Welcome to the world of Tren.
Get used to it my friend.
Anything over 400mg a week makes me extremely irritable and sleep is very rare.
Some people get these sides, some don't.
Good thing is you know your shit is real.
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Welcome to the world of Tren.
Get used to it my friend.
Anything over 400mg a week makes me extremely irritable and sleep is very rare.
Some people get these sides, some don't.
Good thing is you know your shit is real.
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haha, yes its real as superman.... if you know what i mean ;) ;) ;)
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Thks guys for the input, one thing .... all the meds u guys recomend are prescription meds, u can only get through your doc, wich may prove to be a bit of a problem... unless you can order from some special place wich u can pm me at your convinience ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Here's an idea...why not switch to another steroid that doesn't make you feel like shit? Are you entering the Mr. Olympia any time soon ? No ? Then how about using stuff where you actually feel good . Having to rely on sleeping pills because you're jackin up your nervous system with big doses of trenbolone is dumb. By the way, when the real parabolin was around, I saw guys make great gains off of 150 mg a week of it. All these losers nowadays seem to require massive doses.. and they still look like crap.
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Here's an idea...why not switch to another steroid that doesn't make you feel like shit? Are you entering the Mr. Olympia any time soon ? No ? Then how about using stuff where you actually feel good . Having to rely on sleeping pills because you're jackin up your nervous system with big doses of trenbolone is dumb. By the way, when the real parabolin was around, I saw guys make great gains off of 150 mg a week of it. All these losers nowadays seem to require massive doses.. and they still look like crap.
You kidding? Even 25mg of tren EOD and my body transforms. 25mg ED and I can see the difference day by day, its crazy. Trensomnia sucks ass, but there is no other steroid like tren. Not even close.
And to the guy that recommends sex or masturbation to get to sleep... You must never have used real tren. Sex is not optional. You will get it or you will masturbate, tren won't take no sexual release as a option.
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you wont have to worry to much longer if you keep posting shit like that my friend
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That happend to me bro. I started way to high lower your dose. I would wake up with panic attacks breathing real hard scared as shit. You have to take your time get your body use to it. Start low build up. It's not for everyone.
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I found that once I started GH my sleep went back to normal, and I'm much less aggressive now.
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thats alot of tren,,,even in phase 3 it only says 500mg a week
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Thks guys for the input, one thing .... all the meds u guys recomend are prescription meds
OTC Sleeping aids, Dibhenhydramine hcl and Doxylamime succinate work well.
Rx: Restoril, (temazepam) is hands down the best, it's the ONLY Rx sleeping pill that doesn't interfere with REM sleep.
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Sleeping pills are a good solution but from personal experience they become addictive. I'm not telling you what to do but rather sharing an experience. If you want an alternative route growth should definitely help with your sleeping patterns, and inject your tren before bed.
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..........and inject your tren before bed.
I would highly advise "not" doing that.
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Why is that? I've yet to have insomnia with this method
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haha, well, i think for most people pinning tren right before bed is a guaranteed way to get about 1 hour of sleep total and to wake up every 20 minutes drenched in sweat.
maybe if you were real careful not to get any tren oil on the needle, and only pinning delts or something where you don't go through any veins but once you go through a vein and get tren directly into your blood, it feels like you just drank 3 redbulls and an espresso
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Haha well I apologize for bad advice then, I've yet to experience that.
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Hey buddy try pinning 35-50mg everyday in the am. If you take it daily and in the am sides will smooth out amigo. Another thing is when you breathe heavy keep an eye on your heart rate and blood pressure. I ended up in the hospital last week (unrelated to aas i think) but my resting heart rate was over 130...makes it hard to breathe and very sleepy.
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right, ill do that,as for pining before bed..... not a good idea... ithink early am is best option, in my case lower the dosage its a must,and for the guys that say... i never get sides,,,, well u have yet to try some real tren... i thought the same when i was using lixus tren wich was way underdosed, now running superman its another game... thats real tren like gh15 says.
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right, ill do that,as for pining before bed..... not a good idea... ithink early am is best option, in my case lower the dosage its a must,and for the guys that say... i never get sides,,,, well u have yet to try some real tren... i thought the same when i was using lixus tren wich was way underdosed, now running superman its another game... thats real tren like gh15 says.
this is not true. everyone reacts differently to this shit. I have used tren that friends of mine felt like complete shit on and I felt great at the exact same dosage.....Just like some people can handle alcohol and some cant.
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right, ill do that,as for pining before bed..... not a good idea... ithink early am is best option, in my case lower the dosage its a must,and for the guys that say... i never get sides,,,, well u have yet to try some real tren... i thought the same when i was using lixus tren wich was way underdosed, now running superman its another game... thats real tren like gh15 says.
finaplix is damn near pharm grade if you want it to be
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also anyone here know improve cardio skill other than eca.
i am struggling so hard to catch my breath. i feel im sumo wrestler.
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I used to ran tren@75mg ED and in my last run i upped it to 100mg ED. Liked it a lot but was afraid so only used a few weeks.
I pin in the afternoon around 3:00 after having lunch, i get the cough almost everytime, it sucks!! But it doesn't affect my sleep, i wake up drenched in sweat EVERYDAY tough.
Also i'm not a very aggressive person but even on Tren it's manegable.
Cough is shit tough!
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thats alot of tren,,,even in phase 3 it only says 500mg a week
According to Gh15 those are conservative doses. I'm working up to 700mg a week, right now I'm lingering at around 600 mg.
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also anyone here know improve cardio skill other than eca.
i am struggling so hard to catch my breath. i feel im sumo wrestler.
I was using to doing an hour of cardio intensily with no breathing problems. Recently I get on the elliptic trainer after 5 mins I'm out of breath. Then if I keep pushing myself beyond the 22min mark usually I start to breathe better and it gets easier.
Posted by: j_mtl
right, ill do that,as for pining before bed..... not a good idea... ithink early am is best option, in my case lower the dosage its a must,and for the guys that say... i never get sides,,,, well u have yet to try some real tren... i thought the same when i was using lixus tren wich was way underdosed, now running superman its another game... thats real tren like gh15 says.
Gh15 says shoot aas in the ass at night and gh in the shoulders. That's what I do and I haven't had any majore side effects. Before bed I take half a pill of melatonin and it helps me sleep, I did that before even tren came into my life.
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also anyone here know improve cardio skill other than eca.
i am struggling so hard to catch my breath. i feel im sumo wrestler.
DUDE NOT EVEN EC IS HELPIN ME. I WENT ON A LITTLE STROLL WITH MY DOG AND LITTLE SISTER YESTERDAY AND I WAS HUFFIN & PUFFIN.
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dam have of a melatonin? that wont do shit for me I have to take 2 unisoms being on 500mg of test then again Ive always had problems sleeping o_O
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dam have of a melatonin? that wont do shit for me I have to take 2 unisoms being on 500mg of test then again Ive always had problems sleeping o_O
I'm sorry man. It does the trick for me. Have you tried hypnosis cd's to fall asleep with?
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the sleeping pill brand ambien is expensive as hell, but it works great and much better than generic zolpidem, which always makes me feel shitty and groggy in the morning. otc sleeping pills are in the same boat, always make me feel unrested the next morning - except for melatonin. i take 12mg of that stuff every day, otherwise i'd never fall asleep.
my insurance covers the copay on ambien so for me it's an easy choice (plus you can use it as a recreational drug during the day lol), but otherwise, i believe the copay is about $70, for a 1 month supply (probably depends on insurance coverage though). without insurance i think it costs about $6 per tablet
ambien was shit , my god i felt awful , i try pre contest diet,,,
it call 10ui gh before sleep ,, boom ,, knock out like a baby
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haha, well, i think for most people pinning tren right before bed is a guaranteed way to get about 1 hour of sleep total and to wake up every 20 minutes drenched in sweat.
maybe if you were real careful not to get any tren oil on the needle, and only pinning delts or something where you don't go through any veins but once you go through a vein and get tren directly into your blood, it feels like you just drank 3 redbulls and an espresso
i never sweat , those side are for moderate or beginner ,, i kind miss it actually ,,
i inject tren before bed ,, n sleep well
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...i inject tren before bed ,, n sleep well
x2, feels good not having any sides ;D
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I think I might be the worst tren abuser on this board, and I'll say this:
after a while when your body get used to it, the side disapeared to the point that you can sleep your 6-8 hours a night even on mega doses
as far as the irritability, it never disapears but it will get better and usually you will be able to controle it before you go apeshit for whatever reason
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i never sweat , those side are for moderate or beginner ,, i kind miss it actually ,,
i inject tren before bed ,, n sleep well
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didn't even sweat on DNP
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didn't even sweat on DNP
Damn bro, thats crazy!! In a good way of course ;)
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Damn bro, thats crazy!! In a good way of course ;)
yeah but I had every other side effect possible ;D
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yeah but I had every other side effect possible ;D
the only side I've, and i'm running over 100mg ed, is like someone is teasing me with a needle on my back when i feel hot, it doesnt hurt a bit, just weird feeling :D
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Ran sm's tren a @ 100 eod for 8 weeks together with his prop and oh boy that shit is strong mind blowing thing first time experience it was good but next time I'll try Ed injections, was sweating at night and was soaking by the time I would get into my office lol
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I think I might be the worst tren abuser on this board, and I'll say this:
after a while when your body get used to it, the side disapeared to the point that you can sleep your 6-8 hours a night even on mega doses
as far as the irritability, it never disapears but it will get better and usually you will be able to controle it before you go apeshit for whatever reason
very true bro, i did 200mg ed for a short 4 weeks run and zero sides, sleep like a baby 8+hours no sweat. compared to the first time at 50mg ed getting crazy insomnia and night sweat. human body adapt to anything!!
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yeah but I had every other side effect possible ;D
lol that funny
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I think I might be the worst tren abuser on this board, and I'll say this:
after a while when your body get used to it, the side disapeared to the point that you can sleep your 6-8 hours a night even on mega doses
as far as the irritability, it never disapears but it will get better and usually you will be able to controle it before you go apeshit for whatever reason
i was wondering if the specific "fat burning" effect it has starts to diminish over time because of what you're saying, you don't feel it as much after awhile.
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i was wondering if the specific "fat burning" effect it has starts to diminish over time because of what you're saying, you don't feel it as much after awhile.
maybe because after sometime on tren you don't have anymore fat to lose ;D
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yeah but I had every other side effect possible ;D
LOL
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i was wondering if the specific "fat burning" effect it has starts to diminish over time because of what you're saying, you don't feel it as much after awhile.
No way!! Don't say that bro!! We don't need to cry ourselves to sleep tonight ;)
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i was wondering if the specific "fat burning" effect it has starts to diminish over time because of what you're saying, you don't feel it as much after awhile.
well anecdotal ecidence suggests all of the effects start to diminish over time. anabolism, fat burning, etc.
a general rule of thumb ni think ifirst heard from patrick arnold.. if one of the effects dissipates, all of the effects are dissipating.
in order for stavy to feel the night sweats again hed have to up the dose. at which point hed not only start having trouble sleeping but also put on some muscle and lose some fat as well.
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well anecdotal ecidence suggests all of the effects start to diminish over time. anabolism, fat burning, etc.
a general rule of thumb ni think ifirst heard from patrick arnold.. if one of the effects dissipates, all of the effects are dissipating.
in order for stavy to feel the night sweats again hed have to up the dose. at which point hed not only start having trouble sleeping but also put on some muscle and lose some fat as well.
one thing is sure, I sure as hell will never argue with patrick arnold
I know people think it's useless but I like to switch roids around once in a while, i think it makes a difference but maybe it's just in my head
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i be on tren til august , i let u if it dissipate or not
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maybe because after sometime on tren you don't have anymore fat to lose ;D
no man, i'm still fat as shit, don't worry about that ;D
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well anecdotal ecidence suggests all of the effects start to diminish over time. anabolism, fat burning, etc.
a general rule of thumb ni think ifirst heard from patrick arnold.. if one of the effects dissipates, all of the effects are dissipating.
in order for stavy to feel the night sweats again hed have to up the dose. at which point hed not only start having trouble sleeping but also put on some muscle and lose some fat as well.
well, personally i never got night sweats from tren (i'm sweaty regardless), and insomnia i've always had, and my sleep was no different on tren except when i got tren oil into a vein before bed. stavios might just have never experienced the sides, people respond to tren so differently it wouldn't surprise me if he had no sides on it.
second thing you talk about, i don't think that the anabolic effects of steroids ever dissipate, they still have the same actions at same dosages with regard to binding and activating androgens or increasing protein synthesis and retention. However gains do definitely slow down on cycles but i think it is independent of the steroids (disregarding people who hit their 'genetic limit' and won't grow further without high dosages + gh) and i think rather, it is a metabolic response to gaining a lot of mass.
i read a theory proposed on another board, about priming the body to grow when stagnation sets in, and it makes a lot of sense about resensitizing cells to once again want to grow and accept nutrients. i think it can be comparable to how obese people can lose fat relatively easy, without much effort, but someone at 6% bodyfat will have an enormously difficult time shedding bodyfat because the body is resisting and trying to be at it's desired homeostatis, of what's probably 15% bodyfat and around 180 pounds for someone 6'
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TREN IS JUST KILLING MY HEART. :o
I'D SAY CHEST, BUT NO ITS ONLY MY LEFT SIDE THAT'S TIGHTENING UP. CARDIO WISE I CANT DO SHIT, BUT 1 WEEK IN AND THE COSMETIC EFFECTS ARE COMING OUT. NOT FULL FORCE, BUT 1 WEEK PROGRESS BEATS ANY OTHER 1 WEEK PROGRESS IVE EVER EVER HAD BEFORE. ACNE IS SETTLING AWAY BUT DAMN THOSE HEART TIGHTENINGS ARE SCARING ME.
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TREN IS JUST KILLING MY HEART. :o
I'D SAY CHEST, BUT NO ITS ONLY MY LEFT SIDE THAT'S TIGHTENING UP. CARDIO WISE I CANT DO SHIT, BUT 1 WEEK IN AND THE COSMETIC EFFECTS ARE COMING OUT. NOT FULL FORCE, BUT 1 WEEK PROGRESS BEATS ANY OTHER 1 WEEK PROGRESS IVE EVER EVER HAD BEFORE. ACNE IS SETTLING AWAY BUT DAMN THOSE HEART TIGHTENINGS ARE SCARING ME.
How much are you doing a day? week?
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How much are you doing a day? week?
50MG A DAY, 6 DAYS A WEEK.
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50MG A DAY, 6 DAYS A WEEK.
what your blood pressure look like ?
im on diovan n boom no more high blood pressure
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what your blood pressure look like ?
im on diovan n boom no more high blood pressure
I can't even count how much roids I take these days, cause I pop so many pills on top of all the cc's I shoot in my delts
and my blood pressure is still in the normal range
my blood pressure is worst when I eat a lot of junk food like Mcd's and things like that, than when I abuse roids
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lol
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I can't even count how much roids I take these days, cause I pop so many pills on top of all the cc's I shoot in my delts
and my blood pressure is still in the normal range
my blood pressure is worst when I eat a lot of junk food like Mcd's and things like that, than when I abuse roids
your too young for blood pressure issue , 20 ui gh a day could make it high tho
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your too young for blood pressure issue , 20 ui gh a day could make it high tho
when I was 20 or so, I ate junk food at every meal and it got to 165 once ;D
now it's always around 140
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TREN IS JUST KILLING MY HEART. :o
I'D SAY CHEST, BUT NO ITS ONLY MY LEFT SIDE THAT'S TIGHTENING UP. CARDIO WISE I CANT DO SHIT, BUT 1 WEEK IN AND THE COSMETIC EFFECTS ARE COMING OUT. NOT FULL FORCE, BUT 1 WEEK PROGRESS BEATS ANY OTHER 1 WEEK PROGRESS IVE EVER EVER HAD BEFORE. ACNE IS SETTLING AWAY BUT DAMN THOSE HEART TIGHTENINGS ARE SCARING ME.
That doesn't sound good...If you can't do any cardio and you're getting chest pains..don't you think you ought to switch to something that doesn't give you those sides. Sometimes, I read these boards and I really find it hard to understand why people will endure this stuff all for a few pounds of muscle..I never did Tren in my life and I looked pretty damn impressive on the stacks I took. Believe me, you can live without 'Tren"..even if a certain Gimmick masquerading as a Guru would say otherwise.
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TREN IS JUST KILLING MY HEART. :o
I'D SAY CHEST, BUT NO ITS ONLY MY LEFT SIDE THAT'S TIGHTENING UP. CARDIO WISE I CANT DO SHIT, BUT 1 WEEK IN AND THE COSMETIC EFFECTS ARE COMING OUT. NOT FULL FORCE, BUT 1 WEEK PROGRESS BEATS ANY OTHER 1 WEEK PROGRESS IVE EVER EVER HAD BEFORE. ACNE IS SETTLING AWAY BUT DAMN THOSE HEART TIGHTENINGS ARE SCARING ME.
That's what happend to me bro. I was on tren for awhile I ended up getting bad chest pains. Exactly where your heart is. I went to the ER once I felt like I was having a heart attack or something. My resting bp got up to 150-160/90-100 this was my resting pressure. I was eating bad and not taking care of myself. I went to cardiologist had everything checked out. The pain wouldn't go away I never figured out exactly what it was. I think it was just the real high blood pressure. I think I strained my heart in some way. After I stopped the tren it took a few months and the pain went away.
I have anxiety to begin with I've always been high strung. Tren made it a lot worse. I would burst awake from sleep out of breath. It scared the shit out of me every time. I never experienced the sweats though.
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That doesn't sound good...If you can't do any cardio and you're getting chest pains..don't you think you ought to switch to something that doesn't give you those sides. Sometimes, I read these boards and I really find it hard to understand why people will endure this stuff all for a few pounds of muscle..I never did Tren in my life and I looked pretty damn impressive on the stacks I took. Believe me, you can live without 'Tren"..even if a certain Gimmick masquerading as a Guru would say otherwise.
of course, tren is only for the "chemical look", the veiny weird looking skin look but otherwise, it won't make you any bigger than other roids
some just love that look
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I've found masteron to be a good replacement for tren. Makes me veiny and leans me out. No sides. If you can't handle tren try a large dose of masteron.
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I've found masteron to be a good replacement for tren. Makes me veiny and leans me out. No sides. If you can't handle tren try a large dose of masteron.
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I liked masteron enanthate better, don't know why
maybe because I shot it all at once ;D
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TREN IS JUST KILLING MY HEART. :o
I'D SAY CHEST, BUT NO ITS ONLY MY LEFT SIDE THAT'S TIGHTENING UP. CARDIO WISE I CANT DO SHIT, BUT 1 WEEK IN AND THE COSMETIC EFFECTS ARE COMING OUT. NOT FULL FORCE, BUT 1 WEEK PROGRESS BEATS ANY OTHER 1 WEEK PROGRESS IVE EVER EVER HAD BEFORE. ACNE IS SETTLING AWAY BUT DAMN THOSE HEART TIGHTENINGS ARE SCARING ME.
Are you doing the mega dose of B-5 (Pantothenic acid) ??
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...maybe because I shot it all at once ;D
lol, a true pupil 8)
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I liked masteron enanthate better, don't know why
maybe because I shot it all at once ;D
I've only tried prop was thinking about giving the enanthate version a go sometime.
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NO MEGA DOSE B5
BP IS 108/82
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Really panthoic acid? The acne cure?
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Really panthoic acid? The acne cure?
Yes, high doses of vitamin B-5 or Pantothenic Acid are "reportedly" shown to help with acne. That, and most people on the boards talk about using it for acne- so in reality, who the hell knows if actually does anything or not.. only to find out is to try it yourself, and then again, it still might be hard to tell.. what I do know is, that it is the cheapest and safest way if one wants to battle acne.
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That's what happend to me bro. I was on tren for awhile I ended up getting bad chest pains. Exactly where your heart is. I went to the ER once I felt like I was having a heart attack or something. My resting bp got up to 150-160/90-100 this was my resting pressure. I was eating bad and not taking care of myself. I went to cardiologist had everything checked out. The pain wouldn't go away I never figured out exactly what it was. I think it was just the real high blood pressure. I think I strained my heart in some way. After I stopped the tren it took a few months and the pain went away.
I have anxiety to begin with I've always been high strung. Tren made it a lot worse. I would burst awake from sleep out of breath. It scared the shit out of me every time. I never experienced the sweats though.
careful posting your phone number online bro
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careful posting your phone number online bro
It was my blood pressure :)
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lol
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that was an attempt at humor bro
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Just started tren a about 5 days ago. I like to get a feel for a compound by itself for a while before I stack it. (66mg/ed)
So far I have had night sweats along with a high body temp, trensomnia (minimal), weird dreams, and some OSS. I am liking it though, I feel pretty good, have worked legs once, ches,t arms and shoulders once, and neck, and the pump is insane, my appetite is up, my bw is up and I am feeling harder already, I am already hard as fuck with about 14 years under my belt all with about 5% bf at the most, but this is noticeably hard.
It's good shit and for one ten for 45mls I am feeling pretty pleased with myself.
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That doesn't sound good...If you can't do any cardio and you're getting chest pains..don't you think you ought to switch to something that doesn't give you those sides. Sometimes, I read these boards and I really find it hard to understand why people will endure this stuff all for a few pounds of muscle..I never did Tren in my life and I looked pretty damn impressive on the stacks I took. Believe me, you can live without 'Tren"..even if a certain Gimmick masquerading as a Guru would say otherwise.
No tren really is pretty unique
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except you need some type of perscripton medication so u can fuckin sleep at night.
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TREN TAKEN BEFORE BED IS KILLING JUST ABOUT ALL THE SIDES FOR ME.
IM JUST WAKING UP FREAKY VEINY AND JUST TIGHTER. MY LEGS ARE GETTING VERY SEPERATED.
ILL UP THE DOSE CAUSE AS A PRO THATS WHAT WE DO.
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try to pining every day at the same time, so you get constant hormone level in blood
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TREN TAKEN BEFORE BED IS KILLING JUST ABOUT ALL THE SIDES FOR ME.
IM JUST WAKING UP FREAKY VEINY AND JUST TIGHTER. MY LEGS ARE GETTING VERY SEPERATED.
ILL UP THE DOSE CAUSE AS A PRO THATS WHAT WE DO.
Yes sirrrr!!!!
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In my opinion Tren Ace is a miracle drug.
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haha, well, i think for most people pinning tren right before bed is a guaranteed way to get about 1 hour of sleep total and to wake up every 20 minutes drenched in sweat.
maybe if you were real careful not to get any tren oil on the needle, and only pinning delts or something where you don't go through any veins but once you go through a vein and get tren directly into your blood, it feels like you just drank 3 redbulls and an espresso
No, once acetate is built up in your system and you are doing EOD it doesnt matter what time of day you do it, in fact later the better IMO that 1ml before bed isnt going to do shit to that nights sleep the injects before this will though, if you get those sides then it wont matter what time you shoot once the drug is at steady levels in your system.
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Sleeping pills & GH because you can't sleep due to the UG tren at high doses!! LOLOLOLOL, another one living the dream. You guys crack me up, FFS.
I look shit at sub 10% 98kg?? Is this what I have to go through to not look shit?? Hahahaha, I am one of the few who post here who could afford to these insane doses & yet I choose not to. That says a lot to me.
PT
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I was on test and tren E for 10 weeks at 700/500 mg respectively. Good gains but im dieting for a show so I got a lot leaner and harder. last monday I switched to test p/ tren ace/ mast p at 400/400/400 for the next 10 weeks. all I can say is tren ace really does destroy tren enanthate. I felt hot vascular and pissed fucking 12 hours after my first shot. GH at 5iu pre bed is helping me sleep up to now so Im glad about that.
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Sleeping pills & GH because you can't sleep due to the UG tren at high doses!! LOLOLOLOL, another one living the dream. You guys crack me up, FFS.
I look shit at sub 10% 98kg?? Is this what I have to go through to not look shit?? Hahahaha, I am one of the few who post here who could afford to these insane doses & yet I choose not to. That says a lot to me.
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the more potent the tren the less likely you would be able to sleep. insomnia lets u kno ur tren is real.
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Sleeping pills & GH because you can't sleep due to the UG tren at high doses!! LOLOLOLOL, another one living the dream. You guys crack me up, FFS.
I look shit at sub 10% 98kg?? Is this what I have to go through to not look shit?? Hahahaha, I am one of the few who post here who could afford to these insane doses & yet I choose not to. That says a lot to me.
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i have no fucking clue wtf u wanted to say... no clue.... but for what is worth if u are past 500 mg tren ace a week get ready to never be able to sleep...and if you say u have no insomnia issues... well your tren is bunk.now keep looking like shit ... to each its own.
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Guys how long till you really notice tren ace sides?
Today is day 7. 50mg prop 50mg ace ed. not really feeling anything?
It's from that bloke who rescues lois lane alot lol
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Guys how long till you really notice tren ace sides?
Today is day 7. 50mg prop 50mg ace ed. not really feeling anything?
It's from that bloke who rescues lois lane alot lol
its kind of hard to predict, because everyone respond diferently...maybe you will hardly get any sides... wich i doubt,at 50 mg a day,witch makes more or less 300 - 350 a week you will be fine, now past 500mg fast your seatbelt cause you goin for a ride... thats my 2 cents on it.
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its kind of hard to predict, because everyone respond diferently...maybe you will hardly get any sides... wich i doubt,at 50 mg a day,witch makes more or less 300 - 350 a week you will be fine, now past 500mg fast your seatbelt cause you goin for a ride... thats my 2 cents on it.
Hopefully I feel something in another week. Might even pin fast to try get the cough!
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if you are on 50mg/ day of prop and ace and you aren't feeling anything b6y day 7 you have bunk shit.
I'm on day 9 of 75mg/day ace and I am fucking swelling like beast, hard as fuck and eating like a whale.
I can always feel prop by day 4 at the latest.
Up it to 100mg/day of each. If you don't feel it day three contact your source because you got ripped.
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Sleeping pills & GH because you can't sleep due to the UG tren at high doses!! LOLOLOLOL, another one living the dream. You guys crack me up, FFS.
I look shit at sub 10% 98kg?? Is this what I have to go through to not look shit?? Hahahaha, I am one of the few who post here who could afford to these insane doses & yet I choose not to. That says a lot to me.
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What in the fuck are you talking about?
Keep the bullshit on the G&O board.
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if you are on 50mg/ day of prop and ace and you aren't feeling anything b6y day 7 you have bunk shit.
I'm on day 9 of 75mg/day ace and I am fucking swelling like beast, hard as fuck and eating like a whale.
I can always feel prop by day 4 at the latest.
Up it to 100mg/day of each. If you don't feel it day three contact your source because you got ripped.
Day1-7 50 ed of each
Now 2days at 100 ed of each & nothing!
This is shit. I got done with kigs & now the aas.
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i've pinned 2 mls of tren over last 3 days(bare 200mgs) and got the "Tren cough" which is the equivelant of ripping a triple packed bong and fucking it up. I can literally feel my muscles harden up which is fuckin weird, like when im relaxed i'll poke at bi and it'll be rock hard as if it was flexed. And my libido is through the roof I feel like I want to fuck everything :| and this is on balkan pharma tren that some people say is bunk, but Im guessing I got a good batch as its expiry is december 2012. Sorry bro looks like you got bunk
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i've pinned 2 mls of tren over last 3 days(bare 200mgs) and got the "Tren cough" which is the equivelant of ripping a triple packed bong and fucking it up. I can literally feel my muscles harden up which is fuckin weird, like when im relaxed i'll poke at bi and it'll be rock hard as if it was flexed. And my libido is through the roof I feel like I want to fuck everything :| and this is on balkan pharma tren that some people say is bunk, but Im guessing I got a good batch as its expiry is december 2012. Sorry bro looks like you got bunk
Yeh I agree. Was looking forward to this after the kigs fiasco. Bought enough to last me a few months too. Team superman stuff. I'm broke now. Back to wink natty status for me. Been burned too many times.
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Yeh I agree. Was looking forward to this after the kigs fiasco. Bought enough to last me a few months too. Team superman stuff. I'm broke now. Back to wink natty status for me. Been burned too many times.
The good thing about living in australia is you have to buy the stuff face to face, so if someone rips you off and refuses to refund you you just kick the shit out of them. Always going to be risks related to purchasing things from people you are not face to face with, sorry you got ripped off bro its a shit feeling, but the tren ace I got atleast I can allready feel it. People are right its like i just railed a line of low grade speed, should def feel it after 6 or 7 days.
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The good thing about living in australia is you have to buy the stuff face to face, so if someone rips you off and refuses to refund you you just kick the shit out of them. Always going to be risks related to purchasing things from people you are not face to face with, sorry you got ripped off bro its a shit feeling, but the tren ace I got atleast I can allready feel it. People are right its like i just railed a line of low grade speed, should def feel it after 6 or 7 days.
One day I'll get some legit tren! Lol. Enjoy your cycle mate
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One day I'll get some legit tren! Lol. Enjoy your cycle mate
mate the last time I bought stuff it was 5 bottles of tren and 4 bottles of eq and 50ml of clen. The only thing that was real was the clen. I was reading all these amazing things about tren and eq, only to lose a bit of fat, get a little bit of strength increase... Let my mate inject a ml of each on the last bottle caus I was wondering why the fuck I wasn't getting everything everyone was raving about, and he just started laughing at me. Pure bunk, over 1k down the drain. I may as well of been jabbing my syringes in the olive oil in my pantry...
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OP: get your blood pressure checked using a machine at a pharmacy or have someone who knows how to properly measure it take your blood pressure for you. Of course, the best is to see your physician as soon as possible or just go to an ER and I do believe this to be the most appropriate step to take. Nothing I state, however, should be construed as medical advice. These are just the observations of a passerby loser.
Anyway, regarding some of the additional issues raised in this thread-all of the following may be completely wrong and I could be spewing nonsense so anyway for entertainment purposes:
Trenbolone, when used by itself, requires about 21 days of continued use before the visual effects on a subject's physique can be visually appreciated by the lay person.
The chest tightening and "cough" experienced by some is due to the release of prostaglandins. This also effects body composition though.
The fat loss mechanism, directly and indirectly, is due to the androgen binding of the chemical. It is the indirect mechanism that is most important and is also responsible for most of the neuropsychiatric complaints expressed by posters on this message board. Here is how: Androgen receptor binding in the periphery does help body composition directly however, the glucorticoid antagonism in the periphery is what leads to the potent weight reducing properties through a central, rather than peripheral, mechanism. Trenbolone, sort of like an adrenalectomy, will reduce peripheral glucorticoid tone. This depression homes across the BBB leading to an up-regulation of CRH. It is CRH, not trenbolone per se that causes all of you fits. More specifically it is a dysregulation of CRH. CRH itself did nothing. It is also CRH, in mammals, from the hypothalamus that causes the potent anti-obesity effects. It also causes an increase in ACTH and eventually peripheral glucocorticoid. Of course, if trenbolone is still at therapeutic levels the effects of the increase in cortisol is mitigated in the periphery. The issue is that you still have high levels of ACTH and cortisol in plasma exacerbating, in some, feelings of anxiety, restlessness, and insomnia. Despite those complaints receiving much of the air time, trenbolone in the blood should more distinctively cause gastric reflux type symptoms. Your meals should also feel like anchors in your stomach at least at first. Gastric motility will be slowed down despite perceptions of hunger or appetite. Then, in days, hypertension and tachycardia will accrue and can not be turned off immediately by simple discontinuation. It will take a week at least before vitals resettle; that is if they become aberrant in the first place.
The same neurochemical changes that cause the insomnia and restlessness etc.. however, is what will also feedback on trenbolone's perceived positive effects; not completely however, not even close. This is normal and what you want. The problem is when feedback mechanisms begin to freely entrain and control is shifted from negative feedback to positive feedback or positive feed-forward and that is when bp, amongst other things, can get out of hand. The devil's in the details. Always. Those that can handle their business and compartmentalize confounds will enjoy higher fecundity and seed their traits across this earth as they approach Valhalla.
Gotta run, please disregard all above as was nothing more than rambling attempting to waste some time. Thank you.
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good post. i would just like to add while steroids binding to androgen receptors in adipose tissue does cause fat loss (hence why primo is such a good drug for cutting) the release of prostaglangions is the main cause of fat loss with tren :)
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One day I'll get some legit tren! Lol. Enjoy your cycle mate
PP is legit dude, some people just don't get sides, 7 days and you're crying, go on 150mg ed and you'll lactate like a prego
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One day I'll get some legit tren! Lol. Enjoy your cycle mate
No shit man this tren is like juice cut with meth, WTF man, I think half of the reason I can't sleep is because first I am too excited about my gains and second is that lingering guilty feeling for doing something that makes my 10+ years of hard gaining seem like a waste of time. I know they weren't but damn man.
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No shit man this tren is like juice cut with meth, WTF man, I think half of the reason I can't sleep is because first I am too excited about my gains and second is that lingering guilty feeling for doing something that makes my 10+ years of hard gaining seem like a waste of time. I know they weren't but damn man.
Some people should stop exagerating, then people try it & think it's bunk, that growing lad think it's SM stuff is bunk cause of people like you
juice cut with meth? wtf, this is the internet
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Yeh I agree. Was looking forward to this after the kigs fiasco. Bought enough to last me a few months too. Team superman stuff. I'm broke now. Back to wink natty status for me. Been burned too many times.
why do you think SM isn't legit stuff? not everyone gets horrible sides from tren, i don't notice much of a difference except when i initially put it into my blood i definitely know if it's tren or not. same goes for a couple other steroids.
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why do you think SM isn't legit stuff? not everyone gets horrible sides from tren, i don't notice much of a difference except when i initially put it into my blood i definitely know if it's tren or not. same goes for a couple other steroids.
Cause you read everywhere on the internet, you're gonna get night sweats, insomnia blablabla, very aggressive etc etc, so if people don't get that they think it's bunk
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why do you think SM isn't legit stuff? not everyone gets horrible sides from tren, i don't notice much of a difference except when i initially put it into my blood i definitely know if it's tren or not. same goes for a couple other steroids.
Yeh your all right. Perhaps from reading all the stuff people say bout tren I'm expecting too much. I spoke to slin & he said up dose & keep pinning so I'm at 100mg a day of both so hopefully itl all be good.
Just wanted other people experiences really. Today I did get fucking itchy all over after jabbing and like prickly heat, even on my tongue & lips. perhaps a good sign? Lol
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Yeh your all right. Perhaps from reading all the stuff people say bout tren I'm expecting too much. I spoke to slin & he said up dose & keep pinning so I'm at 100mg a day of both so hopefully itl all be good.
Just wanted other people experiences really. Today I did get fucking itchy all over after jabbing and like prickly heat, even on my tongue & lips. perhaps a good sign? Lol
Go on high dose for a week or two, then press your nipples hard, you'll see for yourself
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Some people should stop exagerating, then people try it & think it's bunk, that growing lad think it's SM stuff is bunk cause of people like you
juice cut with meth? wtf, this is the internet
I've currently been up for 26 hours, not even sleepy. Just injected another 1ml of tren, time to go train. Gonna have to invest in some xannies I think haha
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I sleep very good on tren, sometimes takes me 1H to fall asleep but that's it
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I sleep very good on tren, sometimes takes me 1H to fall asleep but that's it
Ive had insomnia issues in the past that Ive used weed to get rid of, so I'm guessing I'm susceptible to it. Does anyone else feel more energised and alert, it feels like downing about 400mcg of clen without the shakyness and jerkyness..
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Wow... This is great ! I have Milk coming out of my nipples....I just went into a rage and mutilated my wife and kids..I haven't slept in a month..and I have the most incredible anxiety known to man. Oh, did I mention my blood preesure is 200/150 ? But hey....I look pretty damn hard. ;D
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^^Hey, at least you know it's working bro ;)
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Don't mean to hijack the thread but how long does tren take to kick in? I mean when do you starting seeing or feeling it working?
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Ran sm's tren a @ 100 eod for 8 weeks together with his prop and oh boy that shit is strong mind blowing thing first time experience it was good but next time I'll try Ed injections, was sweating at night and was soaking by the time I would get into my office lol
I'm currently doing SM's Ripped Mix @ 1ml EOD with his tren ace 0.5ml EOD. So the tren also equals to 100mg EOD. Gonna run it for about 10 weeks. Have been using for almost a week now. Luckily no sides, just get a bit out of breath quicker and my nipples itch sometimes but not regularly.
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What should I get if my nipples start getting sore?
T3, caber or bromo? And how should I run it?
Sorry for all the questions, just want to know if I get the sides what I should do!
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What should I get if my nipples start getting sore?
T3, caber or bromo? And how should I run it?
Sorry for all the questions, just want to know if I get the sides what I should do!
Caber would be good for the sides from prolactin but you would still want an ai to deal with estrogen like femara/adex. Both estrogen and prolactin can cause gyno....from my understanding the latter will mostly cause lactating nips but with the help of estrogen breast tissue growth will occur.
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Caber would be good for the sides from prolactin but you would still want an ai to deal with estrogen like femara/adex. Both estrogen and prolactin can cause gyno....from my understanding the latter will mostly cause lactating nips but with the help of estrogen breast tissue growth will occur.
Well in the Ripped Mix the masteron can control the estrogen, or wouldn't that be sufficient?
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Well my nips don't hur 24/7 its just sometimes throughout the day. Some days it doesn't even happen.
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Well in the Ripped Mix the masteron can control the estrogen, or wouldn't that be sufficient?
You might just be really sensitive to estrogen...
Well my nips don't hur 24/7 its just sometimes throughout the day. Some days it doesn't even happen.
its just random itchiness throughout the day and if they hurt its for a reason don't you think
Nolva will upregulate progesterone receptors so I wouldn't use it while on tren since it may actually make gyno worse. If you got adex/femara I would run that while waiting for your caber in hopes it helps with your symptoms or you can lower your dose in the meantime. You probably wouldn't even wanna get on stage if you developed gyno anyway.
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I had similar issues recently btw...just dropped what was causing high estrogen(dbol) levels and everything went back to normal. Running deca so the nolva would've only made things worse.
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Could it really be the estrogen? Its only about 200mg test prop a week and tren or masteron doesn't aromatize into estrogen?
Before I could run 300mg test E with no problems at all?
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So its best to get something like letro? Would the caber be necessary?
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Could it really be the estrogen? Its only about 200mg test prop a week and tren or masteron doesn't aromatize into estrogen?
Before I could run 300mg test E with no problems at all?
If it was me I wouldn't think it would be the estrogen...it shouldn't be right?
I know masteron acts as an anti e also so that should keep estrogen in check and you've run test with no problems in the past so technically it could only be the tren causing this. But I thought masteron is said to lower prolactin also so I don't know. Everyone reacts differently to all these drugs so just cause on paper it is said to do this or that it may not have those effects on you.
Personally I would get both caber/letro if I were you cause you never know.
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If it was me I wouldn't think it would be the estrogen...it shouldn't be right?
I know masteron acts as an anti e also so that should keep estrogen in check and you've run test with no problems in the past so technically it could only be the tren causing this. But I thought masteron is said to lower prolactin also so I don't know. Everyone reacts differently to all these drugs so just cause on paper it is said to do this or that it may not have those effects on you.
Personally I would get both caber/letro if I were you cause you never know.
The guy at the gym said I should get proviron for estrogen side! So I don't know hey. I don't know how I could get estrogen sides from 200mg test
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You might just be really sensitive to estrogen...
its just random itchiness throughout the day and if they hurt its for a reason don't you think
Nolva will upregulate progesterone receptors so I wouldn't use it while on tren since it may actually make gyno worse. If you got adex/femara I would run that while waiting for your caber in hopes it helps with your symptoms or you can lower your dose in the meantime. You probably wouldn't even wanna get on stage if you developed gyno anyway.
what would you say a good dose for the adex is? Im having a bit of puffyness going on myself no itchyness what so ever not really sensitive decent lump on the left side got some ferma on the way but i happen to have some adex layin around
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The guy at the gym said I should get proviron for estrogen side! So I don't know hey. I don't know how I could get estrogen sides from 200mg test
I THOUGHT THE SAME. I DROPPED TEST FROM 300 TO 150 TO NADA AND MY FACE HAS GOTTEN LEANER. NO TEST= WAY TO GO. LIBIDO WISE PROVIRON, OR MASTERON, OR CLOMID 50MG EOD WILL DO U GOOD. EVEN NONE OF THOSE AND LIBIDO WILL BE FINE, JUST BEING LEAN AND EATING GOOD SHOULD MAKE UR LIBIDO FINE. GRANTED IT WONT BE THE SAME AS 500MG TEST.
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what would you say a good dose for the adex is? Im having a bit of puffyness going on myself no itchyness what so ever not really sensitive decent lump on the left side got some ferma on the way but i happen to have some adex layin around
(http://www.steroid.com/images/arimidex.gif)
According to that chart A above it shows that .5 mg a day was enough to reduce estrogen by nearly 50% in 10 days. There was not much difference in reduction when a 1mg dose was used.
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good looking out sir
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What should I get if my nipples start getting sore?
T3, caber or bromo? And how should I run it?
Sorry for all the questions, just want to know if I get the sides what I should do!
letro once you feel gyno setting in, but other AI's just as a means to keep estrogen in range and as a preventative measure. if AI's don't work, or if you squeeze your nipples and clear fluid comes out, you need cabergoline (capsule/tab form)
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Could it really be the estrogen? Its only about 200mg test prop a week and tren or masteron doesn't aromatize into estrogen?
Before I could run 300mg test E with no problems at all?
masteron functions as an anti-e so with that low test it shouldn't be estrogen that's mainly causing it. though, all 3 female hormones play a role in gyno, together, so when someone get's gyno it's not just the estrogen, though both estrogen and progesterone need to be present for gyno formation. tren and deca both breath down into metabolites that bind strongly to the progesterone receptor, which is why people get gyno on them so frequently even though they don't convert to estrogen in great abundance like test or dbol.
so letro works for some people who get gyno on tren because letro not only stops the conversion of 99% of estrogen, it also down regulates progesterone receptors, so it's a an extremely effectual way of halting gyno and reversing it. for prolactin gyno, it doesn't seem to help much, and with prolactin gyno things like nolva/clomid will actually make it worse because they have been documented to cause prolactonemia and both seem to increase prolactin output (at least from personal experience it seems that way).
so letro and cabergoline should be your main tools in ridding or stopping gyno.
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I've currently been up for 26 hours, not even sleepy. Just injected another 1ml of tren, time to go train. Gonna have to invest in some xannies I think haha
I've been up since 9am yesterday, I can't sleep for anything, I have crazy energy and focus. It's more like meth than juice actually, lol
And don't post any bs about getting bunk/contaminated gear, I made it from pellets and I doubt the pellets had meth in them.
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I've been up since 9am yesterday, I can't sleep for anything, I have crazy energy and focus. It's more like meth than juice actually, lol
And don't post any bs about getting bunk/contaminated gear, I made it from pellets and I doubt the pellets had meth in them.
Yea man, did a workout that'd usually take me about 1.25 hours in 40 minutes... I was getting impatient waiting to do next set then before I knew it I'd done legs and shoulders, added 20kgs to squat... Very impressed so far, except now I think I'm gonna have to go to doc to get something to help me sleep as I don't want to start weed again. :/
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agreed
I think instead on needing sleep and food to recover, my body has me doubling up on food with no sleep needed, which sucks because I have to talk and type and sell for 5 hours a day at work, and going on no sleep like today is not fun at all.
I need some fucking valium or something, this is ridiculous.
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agreed
I think instead on needing sleep and food to recover, my body has me doubling up on food with no sleep needed, which sucks because I have to talk and type and sell for 5 hours a day at work, and going on no sleep like today is not fun at all.
I need some fucking valium or something, this is ridiculous.
But of course it's way more important to be on "Tren" then to get sleep and try to function properly at one's job. Yep, it's no good to merely be on gear these days..You must be on Tren, and if you lose your livelihood..end up requiring tranquilizers, sleeping pills, Blood pressure Meds, Erectile dysfunction pills...anti-Tits producing Milk pills...It's all worth it! ::)
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for someone named lord of the roidz you sure seem to do a lot of preaching about the immorality of steroids
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for someone named lord of the roidz you sure seem to do a lot of preaching about the immorality of steroids
Not really....I did my share of cycles in the past...but the diffence was I placed a higher value on health and actually feeling good. What's the point of having a great physique if you can't sleep and have to rely on tranquilizers and sleeping pills. Take them long enough and now your neurotransmitters get out of whack. I call myself Lord of the Roids because I used them in an intelligent manner. If you read this thread all the way through, you will see guys having Blood pressure issues, Milk coming out of their nipples..and all kinds of unpleasant sides. I bet half these guys will never even compete. If I posted my pics when I was on and actually mentioned the doses I took, I would be called a liar by the GH15 gimmick and his band of misguided disciples. His message is clear, 'You must take life threatening doses of steroids and GH..or you will be doomed to a life of mediocre Twinkdom."
My message is you can have an awesome physique, actually feel amazing, have very little negative sides and be healthy..if you know what you are doing...The problem is..my method requires that one actually trains very hard and feeds their body in the correct method. That's not popular now in the era of instant results. Gh15's method of Eat any kind of shit you want..show up to the gym and play around a bit..but take massive doses of Tren and GH..and you'll look great. Of course that message is more appealing . Gh15 is right about one thing..this is definitely Generation Nothingness.
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well, i understand where you're coming from and i also agree with you that it's not necessary for the mega doses to keep making gains. however, you have to understand that not everyone shares your same priorities and many people feel that suffering through a little discomfort now, will be worth it in the end, and that mega dosages will also get them to their destination much quicker. you can't really say they are wrong in that opinion, as while they are doing this they're well aware of the negative health implications of abusing steroids to such an extent but it's a risk they are willing to take.
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well, i understand where you're coming from and i also agree with you that it's not necessary for the mega doses to keep making gains. however, you have to understand that not everyone shares your same priorities and many people feel that suffering through a little discomfort now, will be worth it in the end, and that mega dosages will also get them to their destination much quicker. you can't really say they are wrong in that opinion, as while they are doing this they're well aware of the negative health implications of abusing steroids to such an extent but it's a risk they are willing to take.
You make good points..I just think that sometimes naive individuals who haven't developed proper reasoning skills are very influenced by internet Gurus. Look at the kid on the DNP neuropathy thread and how bad he messed himself up...but you're right..Different priorities ...Perhaps it's because I've seen a couple of close friends screw themselves up with steroids and a few others that died due to abuse..that I occasionally try to be a "Voice of reason." Guess it's kind of pointless though. At least, from what I've seen in many of your posts, you seem to have decent knowledge of what you are talking about. Some on here are basically mindless followers.
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Why not get rid off it and use something else?
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good post. i would just like to add while steroids binding to androgen receptors in adipose tissue does cause fat loss (hence why primo is such a good drug for cutting) the release of prostaglangions is the main cause of fat loss with tren :)
No, it's not.
Prostaglandins are subject to rapid tachyphylaxis. Their effect is contributory and acute.
The enduring and progressive complaints you are fielding are a result of preternatural sympathetic outflow at the level of CRH.
Learn systems.
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whoa, that was pompous as hell.
since you so strongly believe it is the "androgenic binding" of tren that causes most of the fat loss and not the prostagandins, even though there are countless studies regarding their role in lipid mediation, then why do more androgenic steroids like masteron not induce greater fatloss or increases in metabolic activity?
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Little update on the superman tren ace
14days in
7 @ 50mg ed
7@ 100mg ed
Sides to report....zero
Gains to report...zero
One more week @ 150mg ed then if nothing it's joining my kigs in the bin.
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If you gain adn feel nothing at 100 mg ED then it's bunk for sure ;)
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If you gain adn feel nothing at 100 mg ED then it's bunk for sure ;)
:-\ i know
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Little update on the superman tren ace
14days in
7 @ 50mg ed
7@ 100mg ed
Sides to report....zero
Gains to report...zero
One more week @ 150mg ed then if nothing it's joining my kigs in the bin.
Damn, really?? I thought SM was gtg???
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Damn, really?? I thought SM was gtg???
So did I. I was so hyped when I received my package.
Maybe I'm just immune to tren! But if it's not bunk it's massively massively underdosed. I jab it in so quick now trying to get the cough lol but nothing but an itch afterwards sometimes. Weird.
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So did I. I was so hyped when I received my package.
Maybe I'm just immune to tren! But if it's not bunk it's massively massively underdosed. I jab it in so quick now trying to get the cough lol but nothing but an itch afterwards sometimes. Weird.
throw that shit in the bin right now. if you have tren ace, you'll know literally within one hour of injecting the stuff.
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not true, i get zero sides from tren except lactating at high doses lol
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I'm on day 20(ish) of 75mg/day. My gains are steady, my recov. is insane.
I make good money to sit on my ass and do nothing at work, I am a top 10 producer out of 100, will never ever get fired, I could call in every day this week if I needed too. I made $14.82 an hour last week and I have 0 responsibility whatsoever and I get to sit at a computer and listen to the radio, I take breaks when I want, don't have to produce anything if I don't care about making more than 10 bucks per hour, If I produce sales, I get commissions. Today I worked 5 hours and made 65 dollars to do jack shit. I don't really need sleep to make 15 an hour.
My only sides are having trouble sleeping, over sexual stimulation, and minor acne, but I had some before I started anyway. It's not getting better and not really getting worse than it was.
If I had to choose to run Tren or sleep, i'd run Tren. I can sleep when I'm dead.
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not true, i get zero sides from tren except lactating at high doses lol
Same.. I'm on it right now at 150mg EOD and don't feel shit
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So did I. I was so hyped when I received my package.
Maybe I'm just immune to tren! But if it's not bunk it's massively massively underdosed. I jab it in so quick now trying to get the cough lol but nothing but an itch afterwards sometimes. Weird.
That sucks bro!! I'm on day 10 of the same shit at 150mg EOD,, don't feel shit either WTF!!!
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dont understand how you guys can't feel anything on tren lol... most likely isn't tren then... I've felt it ever since first injection.. Someones laughing all the way to the bank whilst selling olive oil.
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exactly
day 1 I was like hmmm
day 2 I was like well well well
day 3 I was like let's rock
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So did I. I was so hyped when I received my package.
Maybe I'm just immune to tren! But if it's not bunk it's massively massively underdosed. I jab it in so quick now trying to get the cough lol but nothing but an itch afterwards sometimes. Weird.
you're first time running tren? you're strength should definitely be up, but i don't know what else you are running. run it solo and you'll know for certain if it's good
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That sucks bro!! I'm on day 10 of the same shit at 150mg EOD,, don't feel shit either WTF!!!
You think it's bunk also?
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you're first time running tren? you're strength should definitely be up, but i don't know what else you are running. run it solo and you'll know for certain if it's good
Running all superman gear.
Was 100mg test prop & 100mg tren ace.
50mcg t3 ed. 2.5mg letro mon wed fri
Dropped everything but tren ace as of today. To be totally honest think its all crap even the tabs
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Running all superman gear.
Was 100mg test prop & 100mg tren ace.
50mcg t3 ed. 2.5mg letro mon wed fri
Dropped everything but tren ace as of today. To be totally honest think its all crap even the tabs
should explain the low prices lol
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should explain the low prices lol
^^ this exactly! Exactly what I thought.
I knew I shud of paid that little extra for oxide but I skimped!
U get what u pay for. Some damn expensive olive oil
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strange. I've been hearing good things about Superman gear.
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Im up 30 pounds at the same bf from the same line of deca/dbol .
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yOU CAN MAKE GREAT GAINS OFF OF TREN AT A LOWER DOSE! IF YOU DONT SLEEP-YOU DON'T GROW. ALSO IT MUST BE AA BITCH TO TRAIN! ROP THE TREN COMPLETELY ARE USE IT EOD!yOU MIGHT WANT TO TRY PARABOLIN IT WORKS A LITTLE SLOWER BUT YOU GET THE SAME RESULTS IF NOT BETTER.OR TREN E.
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You think it's bunk also?
I'm really not sure yet, to be honest.. Like you, I'm on 100mg Prop EOD and 150 Tren a EOD.. 11 days in.. I'm looking a little better, but other than that not so much of anything else... We'll see in a few days i guess ::) Better not be garbage!!!! All I heard was great things about the SM line!!!!
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strange. I've been hearing good things about Superman gear.
I've used a shit ton of it. It's good, especially the sustanon, tren and anadrol.
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I've used a shit ton of it. It's good, especially the sustanon, tren and anadrol.
Rearden, how long ago did you use the tren and drol? For your show right, if I remember correctly? Which was what around November?
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I'm really not sure yet, to be honest.. Like you, I'm on 100mg Prop EOD and 150 Tren a EOD.. 11 days in.. I'm looking a little better, but other than that not so much of anything else... We'll see in a few days i guess ::) Better not be garbage!!!! All I heard was great things about the SM line!!!!
Thats fairly low dose and a very short time. Magic doesn't happen overnight! Are you running gh?
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Rearden, how long ago did you use the tren and drol? For your show right, if I remember correctly? Which was what around November?
I didn't use the drol for the show (should have). I used the tren up until the show, then took off til actually this week I've shot a couple cc's tren.
I used the drol at 100mg on training days with 750 test E and 900 EQ. Loved it, crazy pumps not too much water and an extra 6 lbs over a few weeks and I only used like 30 tabs and saved the rest.
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Thats fairly low dose and a very short time. Magic doesn't happen overnight! Are you running gh?
LOL, yeah your right ;) No, not on gh currently :'(
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I didn't use the drol for the show (should have). I used the tren up until the show, then took off til actually this week I've shot a couple cc's tren.
I used the drol at 100mg on training days with 750 test E and 900 EQ. Loved it, crazy pumps not too much water and an extra 6 lbs over a few weeks and I only used like 30 tabs and saved the rest.
Gotcha, yeah I have a couple bottle of anadrol that I can't wait to run!! Just want to get a little leaner before I start ;D
Thanks for the input brotha!!
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Gotcha, yeah I have a couple bottle of anadrol that I can't wait to run!! Just want to get a little leaner before I start ;D
Thanks for the input brotha!!
drol is most definitely a drug best ran with gh. Stay lean and just pump up like a blow up doll.
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Thats fairly low dose and a very short time. Magic doesn't happen overnight! Are you running gh?
hey rearden. so todays day 15 of the tren for me, im really not feeling anything. i jabbed so quick today hoping to cough but nothing. it looks a good colour but i dunno. just thought id of noticed something at least. i blame gh15 for labelling it as magic.
also the t3, any way to know if its real? running 50mcg ed. little brown tabs, used em?
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Any one experience needles and pins in their arms/fingers? I went for a nap this afternoon and woke up with needles and pins in my hands/fingers.
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Not everyone gets the crazy sides with Tren A. I know several guys who use it all the time and never have any sides other than a little sweating.
I know it's frustrating, but let's not start a fiasco about his products without some real proof. It seems like the last few weeks everyone is attacking sources left and right; just remember that I don't take anything seriously without some legitimate proof. The way you "feel" means nothing to me unless you are a guy like Rearden who has been using Tren for a long time.
I know a lot of guys on his Tren and they love it. I would know about it already if his stuff was bunk. I have heard mixed reviews about his Primo and orals, but I have never heard anything bad about his Tren.
Maybe you are asking for too much?
Give it time. I know the first time i used Tren i didn't get bad sides until i went over 600mg per week. Even then I didn't really have bad sides until 6-8 weeks into the cycle.
Just my .02
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Not everyone gets the crazy sides with Tren A. I know several guys who use it all the time and never have any sides other than a little sweating.
I know it's frustrating, but let's not start a fiasco about his products without some real proof. It seems like the last few weeks everyone is attacking sources left and right; just remember that I don't take anything seriously without some legitimate proof. The way you "feel" means nothing to me unless you are a guy like Rearden who has been using Tren for a long time.
I know a lot of guys on his Tren and they love it. I would know about it already if his stuff was bunk. I have heard mixed reviews about his Primo and orals, but I have never heard anything bad about his Tren.
Maybe you are asking for too much?
Give it time. I know the first time i used Tren i didn't get bad sides until i went over 600mg per week. Even then I didn't really have bad sides until 6-8 weeks into the cycle.
Just my .02
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Yeh fair post. I'll keep at it see what happens
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Yeh fair post. I'll keep at it see what happens
Trust me bro, I am on your side and will help however i can.
I just don't want people getting worked up over nothing.
Good luck.
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i'm making crystal fina next, way to go :D
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Not everyone gets the crazy sides with Tren A. I know several guys who use it all the time and never have any sides other than a little sweating.
I know it's frustrating, but let's not start a fiasco about his products without some real proof. It seems like the last few weeks everyone is attacking sources left and right; just remember that I don't take anything seriously without some legitimate proof. The way you "feel" means nothing to me unless you are a guy like Rearden who has been using Tren for a long time.
I know a lot of guys on his Tren and they love it. I would know about it already if his stuff was bunk. I have heard mixed reviews about his Primo and orals, but I have never heard anything bad about his Tren.
Maybe you are asking for too much?
Give it time. I know the first time i used Tren i didn't get bad sides until i went over 600mg per week. Even then I didn't really have bad sides until 6-8 weeks into the cycle.
Just my .02
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Appreciate the input brotha!! Makes me feel better lol... Same as above... we will keep at it!!!
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when i first start tren, this is how i know im on it... im a huge asshole, im horny as fuck, cant sleep well, feeling of superiority all the time.....
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when i first start tren, this is how i know im on it... im a huge asshole, im horny as fuck, cant sleep well, feeling of superiority all the time.....
WHAT DOSAGE?
AT 300MG A WEEK, IM HORNY AS FUCK, AND NOTHING REALLY SIDE WISE BESIDES ACNE AND JUST A REALLY SHARP FACE. CRAZY STRENGTH THO. I CANT NOTICE ANY PROBLEMS BESIDES ACNE. I THOUGHT BP WAS HIGH BUT EPHEDRINE IS JACKING MY BP UP, EPHEDRA DOESNT...BUT EPHEDRINE DOES.
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drol is most definitely a drug best ran with gh. Stay lean and just pump up like a blow up doll.
drol is so good. i love that stuff. i don't have any issues with it except taking it alongside stimulants makes me eyes feel like they are about to pop. that is the only issue i've had, but the strength and size gains are amazing.
you just need to be lower in bodyfat when you run it, like you said, hgh will help in that regard.
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Any one experience needles and pins in their arms/fingers? I went for a nap this afternoon and woke up with needles and pins in my hands/fingers.
yeah, that's pretty normal, happened when i was first using tren but went away after awhile. if you are running stimulants as well (caffeine, ephedrine, etc...) they will make it worse.
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def sounds like bunk Tren. that SM line is super cheap! same with the other line! sometimes you get what you pay for! it comes from a chinese chem house. they could of fucked up a batch who knows. even if they did fuck up a batch they would still sell it. I use trenax and am going to try the alpha-pharma parabolin. below is a pic of jinan trenax with alpha-pharma Test prop. a good potent stack! I also have some sciroxx turinabol wich is awesome turinabol. sciroxx has great Tbol and dbol! have not trie the oils but the Turinabol and dbol are bomb!
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Running SM tren ace at 100 mg ED, been on it for a few days now. Definitely not bunk, I'm a lot more aggressive already and my strength is up again - Squatted 405x6 today.
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DAMN 700MG A WEEK.
IM BUMPING MINE UP TO 450MG A WEEK IN 2 WEEKS.
GOING FROM 50MG 6 DAYS A WEEK TO 75MG 6 DAYS A WEEK.
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all I know is, on 75mg a day of tren a I was feeling crazy hard by day 3 (already hard as fuck with 5% bf) but noticeably harder, crazy pumps by day 5, and increased strength by day 10, on shit I made myself from fina pellets. no reason to ever buy any tren from anyone when you can make it yourself for one ten for 45mls.
sides are trouble sleeping, sweats, acne(painful) and OSS
first time running it if you aren't noticing serious effects by day 15 you are on a placebo
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all I know is, on 75mg a day of tren a I was feeling crazy hard by day 3 (already hard as fuck with 5% bf) but noticeably harder, crazy pumps by day 5, and increased strength by day 10, on shit I made myself from fina pellets. no reason to ever buy any tren from anyone when you can make it yourself for one ten for 45mls.
yep agreed
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in my avatar i was running 100mg PROP ED and 100mg ACE EOD (not superman) aftar that i bumped the tren to 100mg ED and it was like night and day but it's expensive as fuck and i was worried about how long i had been on so i stopped. Won't do that again! This time will try and add some GH. ;D
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def sounds like bunk Tren. that SM line is super cheap! same with the other line! sometimes you get what you pay for! it comes from a chinese chem house. they could of fucked up a batch who knows. even if they did fuck up a batch they would still sell it. I use trenax and am going to try the alpha-pharma parabolin. below is a pic of jinan trenax with alpha-pharma Test prop. a good potent stack! I also have some sciroxx turinabol wich is awesome turinabol. sciroxx has great Tbol and dbol! have not trie the oils but the Turinabol and dbol are bomb!
Being offtopic,but what is turinabol supposed to do?I know it is the cousin of dianabol,far less water retention,but let's say at 100 mg per day what would it do ?
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Being offtopic,but what is turinabol supposed to do?I know it is the cousin of dianabol,far less water retention,but let's say at 100 mg per day what would it do ?
Geez 100mg is a big dose of Tbol if it is potent Tbol. But many peole do take 100mg Tbol. It is just like anavar but stronger but not quite as strong as dbol and way less water retention. even women can take Turinabol! I would say it is like a girls dbol, I have taken 70mg of tbol and I got alot of pure muscle gains with minimal water retention! You will get some water retention but mainly just lean muscle gains. just picture a oral right between anavar and dianabol. mainly all lean gains but some water retention especially at 100mg ED. It is mild like anavar. That is why women can take it.Tbol is highly anabolic and not very androgenic at all. I think dbol is probably a better way to jumpstart a cycle but if you are going for a lean summer look I would use TBol instead of dbol. it is getting expensive so buy it before the price of i goes up even further. It is a steal for the price! a way better buy than anavar-IMO.
But you have to get a good brand to really experience a good Tbol run. sciroxx makes awesome turinabol. and the original britsh dragon made very good Tbol as well. I think very highly of Oral Turinabol but you do have to be patient with it. it is not dbol or anadrol where you notice gains within a few days howevere the first cycle I ever did was mainly just a Tbol only cycle and I got 9 pounds in 3 weeks just off of the Tbol. nothing else. then I threw in some suspension and added in more tbol for another week ran just a 6 week cycle for my 1st cycle and gained 18pounds some water weight but not much. I did have to up the dose because I started at 20mg a week and bumped it up 10mg a week. but I noticed I could handle a bigger dose and started taking 60-70mg a day of tbol. never got to 100mg though. Test prop 100mg eod, Tren ace 100mg eod and 50-100mg tbol daily for the first 4 weeks will get you some pretty solid gains! I only run short 8-10 week cycles and I bet just after 8 weeks I will be up 15 pounds but at least 11-12 of it will be solid muscle and maybe 3 pounds of water weight,wich I will get rid of. so just after 8 wekks I will get 11 pounds solid LBM.
I am done bulking I got myself to 204lbs at 5ft-6in just using 4IU's of serostim all year.
so I have no need to bulk I am just throwing on 10-11 lbs of lean muscle I dont conwsider it bulking or cutting i guess you could call it a clean bulking cycle.The cyclle is very simple Test prop,Tren A and Tbol will get me up to 215 lbs lean. I might throw in some masteron as well and use it the last 4 weeks. so I would be doing this very simple cycle serostim HGH 4IU's daily 100mg test prop EOD, 100mg tren acetate EOD 50-100mg Turinabol daily for the first 4 weeks then I will drop the Tbol and add in some masteron 100mg eod and run that for 4 weeks for a total of just a 8 week cycle. I plan on starting the end of march so I am finishing up right before june right in time for summer. All I care about is looking good for the summer for a few months. I am pretty good at maintaining gains. I might lose a few pds of mass after I stop but I will be running 4IU's of serostim the whole time even during PCT so that helps me hold onto the gains.
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That's what i am prepping for the summer,100 mg tbol,100 tren-a ED and 100 test-p EOD.Thnks for info. ;)
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in my avatar i was running 100mg PROP ED and 100mg ACE EOD (not superman) aftar that i bumped the tren to 100mg ED and it was like night and day but it's expensive as fuck and i was worried about how long i had been on so i stopped. Won't do that again! This time will try and add some GH. ;D
Nice bro, looking sick!! How long were on it for?
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Geez 100mg is a big dose of Tbol if it is potent Tbol. But many peole do take 100mg Tbol. It is just like anavar but stronger but not quite as strong as dbol and way less water retention. even women can take Turinabol! I would say it is like a girls dbol, I have taken 70mg of tbol and I got alot of pure muscle gains with minimal water retention! You will get some water retention but mainly just lean muscle gains. just picture a oral right between anavar and dianabol. mainly all lean gains but some water retention especially at 100mg ED. It is mild like anavar. That is why women can take it.Tbol is highly anabolic and not very androgenic at all. I think dbol is probably a better way to jumpstart a cycle but if you are going for a lean summer look I would use TBol instead of dbol. it is getting expensive so buy it before the price of i goes up even further. It is a steal for the price! a way better buy than anavar-IMO.
But you have to get a good brand to really experience a good Tbol run. sciroxx makes awesome turinabol. and the original britsh dragon made very good Tbol as well. I think very highly of Oral Turinabol but you do have to be patient with it. it is not dbol or anadrol where you notice gains within a few days howevere the first cycle I ever did was mainly just a Tbol only cycle and I got 9 pounds in 3 weeks just off of the Tbol. nothing else. then I threw in some suspension and added in more tbol for another week ran just a 6 week cycle for my 1st cycle and gained 18pounds some water weight but not much. I did have to up the dose because I started at 20mg a week and bumped it up 10mg a week. but I noticed I could handle a bigger dose and started taking 60-70mg a day of tbol. never got to 100mg though. Test prop 100mg eod, Tren ace 100mg eod and 50-100mg tbol daily for the first 4 weeks will get you some pretty solid gains! I only run short 8-10 week cycles and I bet just after 8 weeks I will be up 15 pounds but at least 11-12 of it will be solid muscle and maybe 3 pounds of water weight,wich I will get rid of. so just after 8 wekks I will get 11 pounds solid LBM.
I am done bulking I got myself to 204lbs at 5ft-6in just using 4IU's of serostim all year.
so I have no need to bulk I am just throwing on 10-11 lbs of lean muscle I dont conwsider it bulking or cutting i guess you could call it a clean bulking cycle.The cyclle is very simple Test prop,Tren A and Tbol will get me up to 215 lbs lean. I might throw in some masteron as well and use it the last 4 weeks. so I would be doing this very simple cycle serostim HGH 4IU's daily 100mg test prop EOD, 100mg tren acetate EOD 50-100mg Turinabol daily for the first 4 weeks then I will drop the Tbol and add in some masteron 100mg eod and run that for 4 weeks for a total of just a 8 week cycle. I plan on starting the end of march so I am finishing up right before june right in time for summer. All I care about is looking good for the summer for a few months. I am pretty good at maintaining gains. I might lose a few pds of mass after I stop but I will be running 4IU's of serostim the whole time even during PCT so that helps me hold onto the gains.
so you tried out the sciroxx tabs, how do you think they compare to human grade stuff you usually run?
also, i don't notice a damn difference between tbol and var but, i like var the best out of all the orals (maybe drol next) just because my lower abs become so much more etched on var.
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tbol won't make you bloat as much as drol or dbol, it won't increase strength as much, and it's not going to give you the sense of wellbeing like dbol
what it does do is give you decent strength gains, good hardness and increased size and veins
be careful day 2-7 while you get used to it, it makes you a little edgy to say the least
I've ran it up to 80mg/day and it was solid for the price, granted I got 300 tabs for 1/2 price lol
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tbol won't make you bloat as much as drol or dbol, it won't increase strength as much, and it's not going to give you the sense of wellbeing like dbol
what it does do is give you decent strength gains, good hardness and increased size and veins
be careful day 2-7 while you get used to it, it makes you a little edgy to say the least
I've ran it up to 80mg/day and it was solid for the price, granted I got 300 tabs for 1/2 price lol
Yeah, I found tbol makes me more aggressive than dbol and also made me shed more. Its as if the estrogen from the dbol helps stabilize my mood.
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So far 6 days on 100 mg ED, tren ace. Surprisingly, not as aggressive as the last time I tried this. Could it be the GH I'm running alongside it?
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So far 6 days on 100 mg ED, tren ace. Surprisingly, not as aggressive as the last time I tried this. Could it be the GH I'm running alongside it?
it is the gh 100%. gh takes away the harsh anabolic sides. on my months on pharm grade i had zero anabolic sides despite being on over 2 grams.
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So far 6 days on 100 mg ED, tren ace. Surprisingly, not as aggressive as the last time I tried this. Could it be the GH I'm running alongside it?
Your strength is up?? I'm on day 12 of 150mg EOD and don't feel/ notice shit :( :-\
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day 20ish for me, like I said 75mg/day of ace, and strength is way up, I'm looking ripped as fuck.
localisation effects are strong, much moreso than with any other inj.
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Nice bro, looking sick!! How long were on it for?
Tkx man!
On the Tren 100mg EOD i was for about 10-12 weeks then i upped it to 100mg ED and was on it for more 4-6 weeks. Give or take 1 or 2 weeks can't remember :p
When i upped it i could REALLY tell the difference. Next run will do the opposite - 100mg EOD for 4 weeks then 100mg ED for 10 or 12 weeks :D
I just stopped because i tought i was on it for a long time but then i got bloodwork and everything was fine. Felt like an idiot! Also because it's expensive as fuck :(
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so you tried out the sciroxx tabs, how do you think they compare to human grade stuff you usually run?
also, i don't notice a damn difference between tbol and var but, i like var the best out of all the orals (maybe drol next) just because my lower abs become so much more etched on var.
The Tbol is just so much cheaper than anavar that is why I say buy it up before the price gets higher! Top grade Tbol is expensive. sciroxx Tbol is not cheap! but still way cheaper than anavar! They are both mild but I think Tbol takes the cake just because you can use it to bulk or cutt! Anavar is realy a cutting drug -IMO. You can use Tbol to bulk. it does give you more water than anavar. geez I do not know why anavar is so spendy! I also have some halotestin I could throw in towards the end of the cycle. I have about a month to figure everything out. I have not tried thee sciroxx Tbol yet but from what I heard from some very trusted board owners and Vips was that the sciroxx Tbol was very potent and so was the dbol and anadrol. the halotestin is very new I might be one of the first to try it if I decide to try it. But it was expensive! but probably worth the money. some of sciroxx's orals are awesome but their oils are real hit and miss.I had the sciroxx owner send me a very potent batch I even waited a extra week for them. they always get new batches in they sell alot of both the tabs and oils. He wanted to impress me and said I woud be thanking him. we will see. I will be comparing it to the best Tbol ever made-IMO. some of the original British Dragons turinabol were very potent. they were the company who kind of brought this wonder drug back to the market.I got cos eto 18 pounds mainly just off britsh dragon turinabol I just used test suspension for a few weeks. I really wanted to get a feel for the Tbol pus it was my first cycle and took me a bit to get comfortable with pinning myself.
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Tkx man!
On the Tren 100mg EOD i was for about 10-12 weeks then i upped it to 100mg ED and was on it for more 4-6 weeks. Give or take 1 or 2 weeks can't remember :p
When i upped it i could REALLY tell the difference. Next run will do the opposite - 100mg EOD for 4 weeks then 100mg ED for 10 or 12 weeks :D
I just stopped because i tought i was on it for a long time but then i got bloodwork and everything was fine. Felt like an idiot! Also because it's expensive as fuck :(
lol yeah that's true, I hear you on that.. or you could just stay on 100 mg EOD indefinitely ;D
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Right binning that superman crap. Emailed Chen & he said only good feedback from others, in other words fuck off I'm not helping lol
I ran
50prop 50 ace 7days
100prop 100ace 7days
200 ace 3days
Got fuck all! No sweats, no aggression no strength nothing. Dunno what's in the vials but it stings like fuck but doesn't do shit!
I'm pissed as u can tell.
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Right binning that superman crap. Emailed Chen & he said only good feedback from others, in other words fuck off I'm not helping lol
I ran
50prop 50 ace 7days
100prop 100ace 7days
200 ace 3days
Got fuck all! No sweats, no aggression no strength nothing. Dunno what's in the vials but it stings like fuck but doesn't do shit!
I'm pissed as u can tell.
The SM Tren gives me brutal Tren cough, plus my strength and weight are all up, ive been running it 3 weeks
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yea no problems over here my buddy gets the cough sometimes both of us pretty aggressive deff stronger in the gym
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yea no problems over here my buddy gets the cough sometimes both of us pretty aggressive deff stronger in the gym
Must be a duff batch
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sry to hear that. thats pretty shitty :\
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sry to hear that. thats pretty shitty :\
Think FASTLANE has same shitty batch as me
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Your strength is up?? I'm on day 12 of 150mg EOD and don't feel/ notice shit :( :-\
12 days of tren ace and you should be noticing a lot.
i don't know why people don't just use finaplix, instead they get all this garbage tren.
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12 days of tren ace and you should be noticing a lot.
i don't know why people don't just use finaplix, instead they get all this garbage tren.
I've got the same brand, and it's definitely not garbage, bro. Strength way up, can't sleep, veins coming out, slightly more aggressive, et cetera.
I think some people just don't respond as well to tren as others...
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GONNA UP THE DOSE 450MG(75MG M-SAT) STARTING NEXT MONDAY!
DO THAT FOR 6 WEEKS, THEN 600MG(100MG M-SAT) AFTER!!!!
PRIMO IS GOING UP TO 660MG STARTING THE WEEK AFTER I UP THAT TREN DOSE!!!
:D
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Too many people base side effects on wether their gear is ''bunk'' or not ::)
''if i dont get sides its bunk'' ::)
''my weight is the same on the scale, its bunk'' ::)
nonsense, take your gear and eat your food then hit the gym, you will know if your gear is good or not because when you go the gym everyone will turn heads to look at you and all the other gym rats will be sniffing round your arsehole asking ''bro, whats your stack?''
As for the SM line, im running 5 compounds in my stack and all are SM, somethings working ;)
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LOL, lot of good replies in here fellas!! As far as my situation goes, same thing to report, don't feel anything, no sides, however, I do feel more aggressive and getting pissed off more, which makes me feel better (lol)..
True, I agree that people freak out if they don't get sides; but in my case, I never get sides from anything really, so it's not the sides that I am basing the possibility of the bunk SM tren/ prop, just that I don't "feel" anything- going further, I understand that some people don't "feel" anything either- what really is making me wonder, is the fact that my strength is not up that I can tell. So again, day 13, 150mg EOD tren a and 100 mg EOD test prop SM,,, looking a little better, more aggressive, other than that- nothing. So, I will be able to tell for sure in the next few days I feel.
Again, some highly experienced fellas in here, and a lot of good replies/feedback, and nothing but good things about the line, so I'm not really trying to worry, and just trust the matter. It sucks for "growing lad" though- I feel for you bro, I would be/ (starting to myself) FUCKING PISSED!!! However; with all that said, I will keep at it, and like schmoe said, everyone reacts differently to every compound/drug/hormone out there. Wish me luck!!!
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I've got the same brand, and it's definitely not garbage, bro. Strength way up, can't sleep, veins coming out, slightly more aggressive, et cetera.
I think some people just don't respond as well to tren as others...
i didn't know where it came from and not calling the SM line garbage (never used it; can't comment on it), i'm just responding to what he said about his tren. at 525 a week you should definitely notice an increase in strength, unless you are already on a huge stack already. sometimes running other drugs at the same time can mask the effects so it's hard to tell unless you run something solo, in order to gauge the effectiveness of it.
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mate the last time I bought stuff it was 5 bottles of tren and 4 bottles of eq and 50ml of clen. The only thing that was real was the clen. I was reading all these amazing things about tren and eq, only to lose a bit of fat, get a little bit of strength increase... Let my mate inject a ml of each on the last bottle caus I was wondering why the fuck I wasn't getting everything everyone was raving about, and he just started laughing at me. Pure bunk, over 1k down the drain. I may as well of been jabbing my syringes in the olive oil in my pantry...
Anyone who rips off fellow iron brothers - deserves to have their balls cut off and neck slashed.
Recently there are some new guys (Arabs i hear) in business (somewhere in Canada), they are passing off fake Arimidex in pharmaceutical grade packaging. Packaging came across over the last week through someone else for viewing - can't tell the difference at all.
Their time will come soon enough!
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What should I get if my nipples start getting sore?
T3, caber or bromo? And how should I run it?
Sorry for all the questions, just want to know if I get the sides what I should do!
Doing every 7 days (everything was 2* weekly prior to this)
Test 400mg - moving down to 250
Eq 250 - discontinued over last week
Tren E 200mg
T3 - simply for cutting and ^ metabolic uptake. Good to have in at minimum 25mcg. Presently, on T4 100mcg ed. Will switch up to T3 50-75mcg ed.
In my past experience, i find out it very hard to workout on T3 - without feeling lethargic and drained. Will give it a try again. Recent bloodwork reveals - sTSH non existent - as such may have to ^ T4 further or switch to T3 altogether.
Prolactin antagonist - your choices
Dostinex (cabergoline)
Bromocriptine - very harsh on the system
Pramipexole - excellent alternative to caber or/and bromo
Selegiline - i have gone with this 2.5mg eod alongside 1/2 (0.5mg) tab Arimidex eod. Was on Tren before addition of Arimidex/Selegiline - felt the irritation and puffiness. Been on a about a week Selegiline/Arimi - sides all but gone.
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Geez 100mg is a big dose of Tbol if it is potent Tbol. But many peole do take 100mg Tbol. It is just like anavar but stronger but not quite as strong as dbol and way less water retention. even women can take Turinabol! I would say it is like a girls dbol, I have taken 70mg of tbol and I got alot of pure muscle gains with minimal water retention! You will get some water retention but mainly just lean muscle gains. just picture a oral right between anavar and dianabol. mainly all lean gains but some water retention especially at 100mg ED. It is mild like anavar. That is why women can take it.Tbol is highly anabolic and not very androgenic at all. I think dbol is probably a better way to jumpstart a cycle but if you are going for a lean summer look I would use TBol instead of dbol. it is getting expensive so buy it before the price of i goes up even further. It is a steal for the price! a way better buy than anavar-IMO.
But you have to get a good brand to really experience a good Tbol run. sciroxx makes awesome turinabol. and the original britsh dragon made very good Tbol as well. I think very highly of Oral Turinabol but you do have to be patient with it. it is not dbol or anadrol where you notice gains within a few days howevere the first cycle I ever did was mainly just a Tbol only cycle and I got 9 pounds in 3 weeks just off of the Tbol. nothing else. then I threw in some suspension and added in more tbol for another week ran just a 6 week cycle for my 1st cycle and gained 18pounds some water weight but not much. I did have to up the dose because I started at 20mg a week and bumped it up 10mg a week. but I noticed I could handle a bigger dose and started taking 60-70mg a day of tbol. never got to 100mg though. Test prop 100mg eod, Tren ace 100mg eod and 50-100mg tbol daily for the first 4 weeks will get you some pretty solid gains! I only run short 8-10 week cycles and I bet just after 8 weeks I will be up 15 pounds but at least 11-12 of it will be solid muscle and maybe 3 pounds of water weight,wich I will get rid of. so just after 8 wekks I will get 11 pounds solid LBM.
I am done bulking I got myself to 204lbs at 5ft-6in just using 4IU's of serostim all year.
so I have no need to bulk I am just throwing on 10-11 lbs of lean muscle I dont conwsider it bulking or cutting i guess you could call it a clean bulking cycle.The cyclle is very simple Test prop,Tren A and Tbol will get me up to 215 lbs lean. I might throw in some masteron as well and use it the last 4 weeks. so I would be doing this very simple cycle serostim HGH 4IU's daily 100mg test prop EOD, 100mg tren acetate EOD 50-100mg Turinabol daily for the first 4 weeks then I will drop the Tbol and add in some masteron 100mg eod and run that for 4 weeks for a total of just a 8 week cycle. I plan on starting the end of march so I am finishing up right before june right in time for summer. All I care about is looking good for the summer for a few months. I am pretty good at maintaining gains. I might lose a few pds of mass after I stop but I will be running 4IU's of serostim the whole time even during PCT so that helps me hold onto the gains.
Dbol - (or/and Turinabol) a waste of time and money. Way to go is Var. Solid keepable gains & more strength having tried both. Did the Var @20mg ed vs 40mg Dbol ed. Would go with var over dbol anyday.
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Simply comparing anavar to dbol is .... ::)
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Dbol - (or/and Turinabol) a waste of time and money. Way to go is Var. Solid keepable gains & more strength having tried both. Did the Var @20mg ed vs 40mg Dbol ed. Would go with var over dbol anyday.
i don't think var is better than d-bol, it's situational. var is very, very good i like it the best
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Any one here from uk with lots of experience, local hero etc I will send u my tren bottle. Bout 7ml left u can pin it & see what u think otherwise I'm binning it. Up to u. I just refuse to believe that the dose iv bin running I would be that immune that I don't gain anything. Pm me
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if by gain you mean weight on the scale, then that's a real bad way to gauge tren because you can run it forever, indefinitely at high dosages and not gain any weight on the scale, though when you look in the mirror you will definitely tell a difference by the added muscle and fat lost.
strength, vascularity, increased aggression. you should notice a difference in these areas, even if you are a real poor responder
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Yeh I know. Thats y I'm concerned. Not bothered bout weight. But my strength isn't up, and I'm not exactly laid back normally but I'm no more aggressive whereas I thought this would be my one bad side effect. Who knows, I'm not gna pay for it to be tested if I can even do that but happy to send it to sum1.
Cheers for input tho
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Yeh I know. Thats y I'm concerned. Not bothered bout weight. But my strength isn't up, and I'm not exactly laid back normally but I'm no more aggressive whereas I thought this would be my one bad side effect. Who knows, I'm not gna pay for it to be tested if I can even do that but happy to send it to sum1.
Cheers for input tho
Make some crystal finaplix, best way to go :D
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Make some crystal finaplix, best way to go :D
no need to crystalize it, just crush it in put it in some oil. don't really even need the solvents if it's at 50mg/ml
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Dbol - (or/and Turinabol) a waste of time and money. Way to go is Var. Solid keepable gains & more strength having tried both. Did the Var @20mg ed vs 40mg Dbol ed. Would go with var over dbol anyday.
No! dbol is probably the best oral ever. dbol is the most used oral out of any oral. anavar is probably the least used oral out of all orals. Tbol falls right in the middle of anavar and dbol wich makes it one of the best orals-IMO. especially if you consider the price. anavar if real potent is at least 2$ a tab maybe 3$ from some guys. and if you get lucky and can get rea USA oxandrolone those can run 4-5$ a tab. Anavar is really similar to Tbol in my eyes you def cant feel it working like dbol. The gains are lean but so are Tbol gains both anavar and Tbol can be used by women at the same dose. dbol cannot be used by women. it can but most chicks rather use var or tbol. I think var is just to mild for me. I dont get much size at all from var. I do get some strength gains and good pumps. but with tbol I get more size without the water retention I get from dbol. To me for the price Tbol takes the cake but like I said it has to be a good brand! there are alot of shitty orals going around. Don't get me wrong I like anavar but for the price and the look I am after I have to go with turinabol.
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no need to crystalize it, just crush it in put it in some oil. don't really even need the solvents if it's at 50mg/ml
you lose more potency with the traditional method actually..
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I need some advice gents. Been running tren 75mg ed for 5 weeks. I am suffering from the most debilitating lower back pumps I have ever had. It's affected back day and leg day quite a bit. For back day bar rows/deadlifts, 2 of my favorite/strongest exercises are out. I 've been having to do all supported back movements like incline dbell rows etc. With legs I can get through quads although when the weight goes up on squats, lower back is just engorged. It's the type of lower back pump you get from a really good deadlift workout x10. Just loading weights and my back is toast.
I've been doing back extensions with no weight and can barely get to 8 reps.
Has any of you knowledgeable iron warriors experienced this? And if so what's the remedy? If it is the Tren, why does it do that in specific areas? I also have the 'walk 20ft crippling front calf pump' Arnold Jr? WW? Anyone?
I really like the benefits of tren and would hate to kick it out. I just want to incorporate back in those basic brutal exercises. I feel like I'm missing my window you know.
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Stretch well before lifting and make sure you are fully hydrated before you workout. Also you might want to take a Mag/Potassium supplement as well.
Tren also gave me wicked calf pumps when doing cardio and i do remember having lower back pumps as well, but mine weren't as bad as you are describing.
Good luck!
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Stretch well before lifting and make sure you are fully hydrated before you workout. Also you might want to take a Mag/Potassium supplement as well.
Tren also gave me wicked calf pumps when doing cardio and i do remember having lower back pumps as well, but mine weren't as bad as you are describing.
Good luck!
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Thanks for the advices sir :)
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So me and my gf was having sex and she gave me a blowjob and everythings was fine and dandy last then when she was about to put on the condom I lost my erection which usually doesn't happen but it has happened once before. Could it be the tren? (I'm also on the ripped mix which has test prop and masteron in it) I'm horny as hell on it and I can get an erection quickly and keep it hard, but sometimes it just goes soft for no reason. I mean sometimes I can fuck like a pornstar and sometimes it just goes limp? I'm shooting EOD and it seems on days I inject I can have sex "the best" and on off days it seems that its not as great. Could it be my imagination?
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Tren is BAD for pumps, good for getting huge but bad for being able to work out/run for a long period of time. The good thing is you are fully recovered in about 3 hours and can work out again. For sure drinking water is key.
If I sleep wrong my back is tight as fuck, a just juggling a soccer ball for 10 minutes fells like I ran for an hour my calves get so pumped.
The pumps are way more intense than any other aas. I can't imagine what being on tre/test/tbol would be like.
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Got my FIRST tren cough today after about 4 weeks of use. Was totally shit!!! It didn't carry on long but my longs felt like they were half the size they usually are and had difficulty to breath. Its been about an hour or 2 after the shot and my chest still feels funny. Is that normal?
Also what do you do about a bit higher than normal blood pressure? I haven't measured it yet but I can feel its a bit higher then usual and my heartrate is a bit faster than normal (about 80bpm and is normally about 60)
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Got my FIRST tren cough today after about 4 weeks of use. Was totally shit!!! It didn't carry on long but my longs felt like they were half the size they usually are and had difficulty to breath. Its been about an hour or 2 after the shot and my chest still feels funny. Is that normal?
Also what do you do about a bit higher than normal blood pressure? I haven't measured it yet but I can feel its a bit higher then usual and my heartrate is a bit faster than normal (about 80bpm and is normally about 60)
Welcome to the party pal....
War
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Got my FIRST tren cough today after about 4 weeks of use. Was totally shit!!! It didn't carry on long but my longs felt like they were half the size they usually are and had difficulty to breath. Its been about an hour or 2 after the shot and my chest still feels funny. Is that normal?
Also what do you do about a bit higher than normal blood pressure? I haven't measured it yet but I can feel its a bit higher then usual and my heartrate is a bit faster than normal (about 80bpm and is normally about 60)
I shoot A.M. before eating right after I wake up. Perfectly fine prior. Shot the Tren and the cough hit hard this morning. I don't mind it. Just reminds me I actually have legit shit. Its like pinning, after awhile I don't even think about it, and I would pin 10x a day if I had to. Don't be like my buddy, overanalyzing Blood pressure and pulse and crap. I check mine all the time at work and there are 65 yr olds with better readings lol! Its just the nature of the beast. I don't know what others do on here for BP control but I just take the basic heart healthy supps: 81mg baby aspirinx2, fish/flax/safflower/olive oil mix(costco), garlic(still believe there's some debate on this), and I might throw some CoQ10 in there. And basically any and every other Vitamin/herb supp under the sun that's beneficial. I just cant do fruits and veggies. I tried juicing, wasn't too bad. You just gotta buy a shitload of produce. Cardio for me on Tren? Fuck that. I just speed up my workout pace. That's plenty of cardio for me ;D I will tell you this, I am not going on blood pressure, cholesterol or any prescription medication. I will quit gear cold turkey before that. Def gonna be doin some mild cruising here and there. Oh and if you gotta doc tell em you want full labs when you do go in to see him. You can even go to these lab express places and order off a menu. On the lab readouts it will tell you the healthy reference ranges next to your reading. I'm gonna wait prob another month and do a full work up myself. I have a female doc and I don't give a shit what she says or thinks about what I choose to do. From my experience juicing is still way safer than what the majority of society is into. "Oh my god the side effects of gear are horrible! I want to eat clean and healthy all the time, drink water all day, take vitamins, I quit drinking completely, this sickens me to say but I don't even crave weed anymore, all I can think about is lifting, and the mentality that it gives me helps me deal with life with mental strength and boldness. What a nightmare! ::)"