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Getbig Bodybuilding Boards => Steroids Info & Hardcore => Topic started by: Lebaneselion on January 17, 2012, 08:09:02 PM
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So i was wondering why doesnt anyone on this board talk about deca??? No good?
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it's as old as bodybuilding, pretty much nothing really to discuss about it.
pros: makes your joints feel like you're a child again
has estrogenic like effects on increasing bone density
very mild on the hair and prostate
cheap as hell and no one ever fakes it
cons: overall a little weaker anabolic than test at equal MG dosages
gives horrible bloofiness
possibly a carcinogenic
can mess up cholesterol levels
extremely suppressive to the htpa, causes shutdown and then suppression for a long time
due to it being a weak androgen, will lower libido and may cause impotency if used alone
19-nors have specific chemical effects on the brain, for some people, causing psychosis
that's about all i can remember offhand, but there's probably more
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it's as old as bodybuilding, pretty much nothing really to discuss about it.
pros: makes your joints feel like you're a child again
has estrogenic like effects on increasing bone density
very mild on the hair and prostate
cheap as hell and no one ever fakes it
cons: overall a little weaker anabolic than test at equal MG dosages
gives horrible bloofiness
possibly a carcinogenic
can mess up cholesterol levels
extremely suppressive to the htpa, causes shutdown and then suppression for a long time
due to it being a weak androgen, will lower libido and may cause impotency if used alone
19-nors have specific chemical effects on the brain, for some people, causing psychosis
that's about all i can remember offhand, but there's probably more
thanks man !!
For me its same prices as test
Just not sure if worth adding in deca Havent added weight for the last 2 weeks on 500mg test (week 10)
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it's as old as bodybuilding, pretty much nothing really to discuss about it.
pros: makes your joints feel like you're a child again
has estrogenic like effects on increasing bone density
very mild on the hair and prostate
cheap as hell and no one ever fakes it
cons: overall a little weaker anabolic than test at equal MG dosages
gives horrible bloofiness
possibly a carcinogenic
can mess up cholesterol levels
extremely suppressive to the htpa, causes shutdown and then suppression for a long time
due to it being a weak androgen, will lower libido and may cause impotency if used alone
19-nors have specific chemical effects on the brain, for some people, causing psychosis
that's about all i can remember offhand, but there's probably more
Have you ever used Deca?
MG for MG its more Anabolic than Test, the bloofiness is overrated, Deca is one of the best mass builders, thats why its been popular for almost 50 years
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yeah i've used deca, never alone though, not yet any ways
are you referring to those anabolic to androgenic ratios i always see get posted? i think there is some merit to those, as they can be provide a decent basis for trying to understand which steroids will give worse androgenic sides but the studies those were based off of were in vitro studies and not done on people. they don't tell how well the steroids in question build muscle mass in people, and in actual practice, you need to run the deca at a higher dosage than test to see equivalent gains because they have different modes of action for inducing muscle growth.
i think deca is a fantastic drug, and probably what most guys should run as a base instead of test. deca + dbol base would be ideal, but while deca binds 3x more stronger than test to androgen receptors, deca's mode of anabolism is only through binding through androgen receptors, while test induces other pathways to cause growth, making test a more effective mass builder on a mg per mg basis.
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aesthetics you talk too much
deca causes psychosis, really? ::)
we appreciate any of your real world input but stop being a wikipedia warrior with facts and studies
ive found that deca heals me like nothing else, and with cabr .5 mg x2 per week = no deca dick
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Have you ever used Deca?
MG for MG its more Anabolic than Test, the bloofiness is overrated, Deca is one of the best mass builders, thats why its been popular for almost 50 years
Agreed. Its aromatizing properties are very low. Very few steroids add quality mass like Deca...it may be slow but it's quality.
And it should not cause cholesterol issues of any great significance.
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Agreed. Its aromatizing properties are very low. Very few steroids add quality mass like Deca...it may be slow but it's quality.
And it should not cause cholesterol issues of any great significance.
npp should build better quality mass , na?
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True,npp is better,much less bloat,quality gains.
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Deca Durabolin is a great drug and has stood the test of time.
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aesthetics you talk too much
deca causes psychosis, really? ::)
we appreciate any of your real world input but stop being a wikipedia warrior with facts and studies
ive found that deca heals me like nothing else, and with cabr .5 mg x2 per week = no deca dick
deca being a 19-nor, has the same effects on the brain as tren, though less pronounced because it's not as potent mg for mg. at high dosages, deca can cause the same anger issues people experience with tren. i think, the anger is less pronounced with deca because the deca molecule has a property in which it can elicit estrogen effects through the androgen receptor, due in part because nandrolone is a naturally produced hormone that is a bi-product of test converting to estrogen, and nandrolone is inherently estrogenic, without needing aromatization - and estrogen has the inverse effect in the brain with regard to aggression or other effects that androgens elicit in the brain.
you said you don't want to hear a study, so i'm not going to post one, but i had 2 really good articles that relate to this subject :)
instead, i'll relate a experience i had with running tren and deca together, also when i said psychosis i didn't mean turning into a cazy crackpot, just the uncontrollable aggression people most commonly feel on tren.
i remember when i ran NPP and tren at the same time, i was running fairly high dose tren, about 700mg/wk and i felt great on it. i was more aggressive and assertive but overall i had a happy disposition, however, when i added NPP, that changed. i remember i would often find myself angry over trivial things, found myself shouting at people, and family when i normally wouldn't, not to mention constantly shouting in my car when driving, lol. for some reason, for me, running tren and deca together is a big no-no, i don't know why because i'm fine on tren alone at real high dosages (in fact i feel wonderful) and with deca alone i feel fine. i don't have a clue why the two together seem to cause this, and i'd venture a guess that it's probably less common for people to experienced a magnified effect of aggression, but i have seen a few people say they had the same experience as me, that deca and tren together made them extremely aggressive.
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So i want to keep adding size what do you guys reccomend, increasing test dosage or adding in deca?
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So i want to keep adding size what do you guys reccomend, increasing test dosage or adding in deca?
I don't have first hand experience but from what I've read on GetBig I would add deca or another compound and keep test dosage the same.
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So i want to keep adding size what do you guys reccomend, increasing test dosage or adding in deca?
yes add deca.
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Can i do only 250 mg test a week and 400 deca?
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Those ratios are done on rats. So take them with a grain of salt and definitely listen to the personal experiences of vets over these ratios.
I always wondered they didn't use pigs or apes.
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Those ratios are done on rats. So take them with a grain of salt and definitely listen to the personal experiences of vets over these ratios.
I always wondered they didn't use pigs or apes.
Wel does anyone have personal experience with dosages?
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Absolutely. This is in generalities and by no means a set of strict procedures.
200mg of Nandrolone Decanoate - generally used for "joints" and collagen synthesis. I know lots of guys that use it this way.
400-600mg - This is generally the dosage seen where people start putting any size on with this particular compound.
800mg and > I know a few guys that have gone this high but for most 400 - 600mg is sufficient.
Of course, the user may want to administer caber or prami especially at higher doses.
Wel does anyone have personal experience with dosages?
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Absolutely. This is in generalities and by no means a set of strict procedures.
200mg of Nandrolone Decanoate - generally used for "joints" and collagen synthesis. I know lots of guys that use it this way.
400-600mg - This is generally the dosage seen where people start putting any size on with this particular compound.
800mg and > I know a few guys that have gone this high but for most 400 - 600mg is sufficient.
Of course, the user may want to administer caber or prami especially at higher doses.
Thanks heaps mate, do i have to be on test while on deca ?
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You technically do not have to do anything. However, most find that by adding a low dose of test they maintain there sex drive and avoid most of the nasty sides you hear about when dealing with this compound (mainly deca-dick) or as i call it limp noodle syndrome. I do know some guys that run no test and instead opt for masteron and they're no worse for the wear. I would be careful and not run it alone but using test is not an absolute must.
Thanks heaps mate, do i have to be on test while on deca ?
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d-bol can be a substitute for test. d-bol and deca is a good cycle, but i think what he initially went with, 250mg test and 400mg deca a week is a good cycle too.
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Absolutely, His cycle looks good.
d-bol can be a substitute for test. d-bol and deca is a good cycle, but i think what he initially went with, 250mg test and 400mg deca a week is a good cycle too.
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d-bol can be a substitute for test. d-bol and deca is a good cycle, but i think what he initially went with, 250mg test and 400mg deca a week is a good cycle too.
i did a deca (900mg x week) and drol cycle for a few weeks and felt totally fine...one of my best cycles ever,no sides whatsoever
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i did a deca (900mg x week) and drol cycle for a few weeks and felt totally fine...one of my best cycles ever,no sides whatsoever
ah, really? i assume that anadrol and not sdrol since you said no sides. how was the water weight?
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ah, really? i assume that anadrol and not sdrol since you said no sides. how was the water weight?
yeah it was anadrol(50mgs x day)...not much water weight,i was pretty lean actually(and strong in the gym)...i previously did a test(500mg x week) deca(250mg) cycle where the bloat was too much for me...
the anadrol/deca cycle was a lot better
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So for size gains would deca be the best addition to test?
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So for size gains would deca be the best addition to test?
Yes, and dont be afraid to run the Deca higher than the Test, 250mg Test per week with 900mg Deca will put some real good size on you, through in some Dbol if you have any
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Yes, and dont be afraid to run the Deca higher than the Test, 250mg Test per week with 900mg Deca will put some real good size on you, through in some Dbol if you have any
Woww thats alot of deca, should i worry about any side effects at a high dosage like that?
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Woww thats alot of deca, should i worry about any side effects at a high dosage like that?
i agree with Schmoe Buster..like i said in a previous post,i ran 900mg of deca x week + 50mg anadrol x day and i got no sides(no water retention at all),got strong and felt great..dick was hard all the time too (no homo)..
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Woww thats alot of deca, should i worry about any side effects at a high dosage like that?
What side effects, muscle growth? no dont think you need to worry
Pay no attention to all the internet vaginas that talk about ''deca dick'' their dicks never worked anyway ::)
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900mg deca with 250mg of test is a good and serious cycle. just ease into it, and up the dosage gradually every week to feel it out.
deca is a little hard to recover from, if you plan to do a pct and come off. stays in blood for a long time and it's very suppressive. probably will have to run clomid for longer than a month, or cut the deca 2 months before pct. if you had access to NPP it would make coming off easier since you can transition deca out a couple months leading up to your pct.
you can run anything you want though, those dosages aren't set in stone and it's entirely up to you.
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900 mg deca 250 mg test IS serious. I wouldn't do that personally. Deca is the one drug that actually kills my libido. Tren actually makes my libido insanely active. Deca makes me not able to get hard. And it is a bloofy drug anyways, so you might as well just up the test. Deca is not the type of drug you want to do low test with IMO
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900mg deca with 250mg of test is a good and serious cycle. just ease into it, and up the dosage gradually every week to feel it out.
deca is a little hard to recover from, if you plan to do a pct and come off. stays in blood for a long time and it's very suppressive. probably will have to run clomid for longer than a month, or cut the deca 2 months before pct. if you had access to NPP it would make coming off easier since you can transition deca out a couple months leading up to your pct.
you can run anything you want though, those dosages aren't set in stone and it's entirely up to you.
Bro none of us come off, this is the Thunderdome
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everyone comes off on their first cycle... well, actually hahah. i didn't nor did my friend
i wonder how many people do pct first cycle, i bet majority of people because of constantly reading from everywhere that a pct is necessary.
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everyone comes off on their first cycle... well, actually hahah. i didn't nor did my friend
i wonder how many people do pct first cycle, i bet majority of people because of constantly reading from everywhere that a pct is necessary.
Guys with impressive physiques never come off, just switch compounds or blast and cruise, that's the reality of 21st century bodybuild, not saying it's right but it is what it is
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Lolll damnnn ur scaring me from
Doing deca...... Any other drug i can use for adding size ? Ive used dbol didnt realy gain that well off it... And i thought of tren but people said that itl help me get leaner rather than adding the size i want, opinions?
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Bro none of us come off, this is the Thunderdome
X2...we never come off...and if we do,we never do pct ;D ;D ;D
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X2...we never come off...and if we do,we never do pct ;D ;D ;D
For us PCT is switching the Deca to EQ
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For us PCT is switching the Deca to EQ
then PCT is always on...
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then PCT is always on...
400mg primo ew + 50mg test prop eod is best pct ;D ;D ;D
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400mg primo ew + 50mg test prop eod is best pct ;D ;D ;D
there you go...
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Haha ok guys so yous recomend deca over tren for size gains?
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tren is the best steroid there is, in my opinion. does everything you need in bodybuilding.
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For us PCT is switching the Deca to EQ
HA!!!
That one actually made me laugh! I wish I could get that one on a bumper sticker or t-shirt.
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Use npp to grow leannn.. its all in the bible brotha!!
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Haha yous are confusing me!!! Tren for me is bery expensive 10ml for $170
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does npp help with joints.
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Yes, but I believe the longer ester version "helps" more. I could be wrong though, should be the same on paper, but in the real world most people have better joint relief from Deca than Npp. But my choice is Npp all day, everday ;)
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does npp help with joints.
"deca" is shorthand for decanoate, the ester attached to nandrolone. npp is Nandrolone-PhenylPropionate. same drug, and roughly same amount of active hormone and ester attached with both steroids, just the half life is half as long with NPP
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deca is the one steroid that i highly recommend using more test than the dose of deca while you are on that cycle. out of all the steroids, deca is the only one that kills my libido. actually, if i don't run test at an equal or higher dose, i can't get hard at all basically.
@ 500 mg deca and 500 mg test, i have trouble getting hard and it is actually impossible to have an orgasm
@500 mg deca and 750 mg test, the problem gets better
but it isn't until
@500mg deca and 1000 mg test that the problem is actually fixed and i can really fuck again
this is a huge problem for me, because I hate what a gram of test does to my body. actually, 500 mg deca and 1000 mg test is basically a recipe to look like a water balloon for me personally.
so for these reasons, i will never, ever run deca again. i just got off of a deca-sust-drol cycle and switched over to tren-test-masteron, and i can't emphasis how much better i feel now that i am off that watery cycle and on the holy grail.
a lot of folks will argue that diet plays a major part in bloat on a deca cycle, but i will disagree.
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Bro none of us come off, this is the Thunderdome
that's funny !
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X2...we never come off...and if we do,we never do pct ;D ;D ;D
x3 Nobody comes "off" in the Thunderdome!!
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d-bol can be a substitute for test. d-bol and deca is a good cycle, but i think what he initially went with, 250mg test and 400mg deca a week is a good cycle too.
ive been thinkin of running dbol/deca cycle(cuz i have both on hand anyway)
what should the deca dosage per week be at?
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so does proviron help with sex drive when you take deca?
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so does proviron help with sex drive when you take deca?
Yes it can help, I used to use 50mg per day and found that it have great libido boost, some 100mg per day is good but if 50mg per day does the job then why use more
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Deca is the most powerful anabolic for me personally.
It gives me strength and mass better than any other AAS.
I run it with masteron at about 300mg per week and
libido is strong.
I get less sides when there is no test in there. For
some reason the Deca and test combo makes me more gyno
prone even when using an AI and prami.
I just started a cycle of Norma deca, I am very excited to have
human grade. I was originally planning on running 300mg per
week, but I really want to try to grow some serious mass this winter
and bump the dose to 6-700mg.
Ran with D-bol it is by far the best mass stack I could run. I
have the same gyno issues that I have with test though.
I might just run it anyway and get the damn surgery later on.
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have you tried using letrozole? it should work for any gyno except for prolactin gyno.
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have you tried using letrozole? it should work for any gyno except for prolactin gyno.
yep, I know it is working because I get the sides associated with crushed estrogen levels, but my
gyno is still aggravated. I am not sure why. I have been told by doctors that in some individuals,
all it takes is hormones fluctuations to cause a flare up, regardless of estrogen, prolactin, and
progesterone. I could be somewhat of a gyno anomaly. Certain medications that have nothing
to do with hormones can cause gyno in some cases, so apparently there are ways a person
can get gyno even with all their bases covered as far as hormone control.
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you had your prolactin levels checked? they were in range when you had the gyno flare up? only gyno that letro doesn't crush is prolactin, and if you take nolva when you have prolactin gyno it will cause your gyno to flare up like crazy.
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you had your prolactin levels checked? they were in range when you had the gyno flare up? only gyno that letro doesn't crush is prolactin, and if you take nolva when you have prolactin gyno it will cause your gyno to flare up like crazy.
what a prolactin gyno looks like..?
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well, looks the same as any other gyno but if you squeeze your nipples fluid will come out. that's an unmistakable sign for high prolactin levels, which may be the sole cause of gyno or contributing to it.
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well, looks the same as any other gyno but if you squeeze your nipples fluid will come out. that's an unmistakable sign for high prolactin levels, which may be the sole cause of gyno or contributing to it.
taking 100mg ed of tren for 3 weeks, just squeezed a nipple to check it out lol, a mini drop got out, really not much, should i worry about it?
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taking 100mg ed of tren for 3 weeks, just squeezed a nipple to check it out lol, a mini drop got out, really not much, should i worry about it?
I wouldn't worry just handle it. I know ai and seems are not popular at get big but I personally do run nolvadex and aromodex at low doses whole doing tren above 500 mg weekly and I still have issues.
Tren is the only steroid that does this to me
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gonna lower the dose a bit :D
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taking 100mg ed of tren for 3 weeks, just squeezed a nipple to check it out lol, a mini drop got out, really not much, should i worry about it?
cabergoline, 0.25mg twice a week, E3D. if that doesn't work up the dosage, but the sides can be pretty nasty from dopamine agonists, however, i find they are much worse with prami. you can also try mucuna pruriens extract, as the extract comes from a bean that increases dopamine levels, although it is weaker than the RX drugs, it doesn't come with any sides except increased libido.
hgh can increase prolactin levels, as well as hgh itself can bind to the prolactin receptor. so that may be why, i don't know what your cycle is.
i have to run a dopamine agonist when i run tren + hgh, otherwise sides get too bad, and libido completely tanks to 0.
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cabergoline, 0.25mg twice a week, E3D. if that doesn't work up the dosage, but the sides can be pretty nasty from dopamine agonists, however, i find they are much worse with prami. you can also try mucuna pruriens extract, as the extract comes from a bean that increases dopamine levels, although it is weaker than the RX drugs, it doesn't come with any sides except increased libido.
hgh can increase prolactin levels, as well as hgh itself can bind to the prolactin receptor. so that may be why, i don't know what your cycle is.
i have to run a dopamine agonist when i run tren + hgh, otherwise sides get too bad, and libido completely tanks to 0.
will start by tappering off to 75mg ed, see how that goes, t4i, not running hgh btw
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anyone here ever have luck in using b6 to lower prolactin sides?
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^^ Was wondering this too
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you had your prolactin levels checked? they were in range when you had the gyno flare up? only gyno that letro doesn't crush is prolactin, and if you take nolva when you have prolactin gyno it will cause your gyno to flare up like crazy.
everything was in range, I used pramipexole for prolactin.