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Title: UFC 144 - Once again
Post by: George Whorewell on February 25, 2012, 09:43:59 PM
Rampage comes in out of shape and loses to an inferior fighter that knows how to wrestle.

Rashad repeat all over again.

Overall, a good card so far-- the Botsch comeback against Okami was insane.

Edgar v Henderson about to start.


Title: Re: Once again
Post by: George Whorewell on February 25, 2012, 10:28:06 PM
Great fight-- but a bullshit decision IMO

One upkick that fucks someone face up doesn't decide a 5 round fight.

IMO robbery.

Edgar should have won-- and Henderson is a bible toting retard. I hope he loses every single fight he has the rest of his life.

What fucking moron fights in Japan and says "Everything is possible through Christ, let me get an Amen"

Also, he needs to stop having Don King do his hair.


Title: Re: Once again
Post by: 20inch calves on February 25, 2012, 10:28:49 PM
personally i think rampage got outstruck as well


Title: Re: Once again
Post by: 20inch calves on February 25, 2012, 10:32:11 PM
Great fight-- but a bullshit decision IMO

One upkick that fucks someone face up doesn't decide a 5 round fight.

IMO robbery.

Edgar should have won-- and Henderson is a bible toting retard. I hope he loses every single fight he has the rest of his life.

What fucking moron fights in Japan and says "Everything is possible through Christ, let me get an Amen"

Also, he needs to stop having Don King do his hair.


a fight like edgar henderson going to decision is always a toss up. i noticed they stopped putting up the strikes landed when edgar was up 30 after the second or 3rd. henderson def did more damage BUT like you said edgar got the take downs. its hard to tell what the judges are looking for

with that said edgar has heart. that kick would have knocked most ppl out and how he survived that choke i will never know


Title: Re: Once again
Post by: George Whorewell on February 25, 2012, 10:38:37 PM
personally i think rampage got outstruck as well

 He got out wrestled. Bader did no damage at all. Most meaningful moment of the fight was the slam. An in shape Rampage finishes Bader then and there.


Title: Re: Once again
Post by: 20inch calves on February 26, 2012, 01:10:54 AM
He got out wrestled. Bader did no damage at all. Most meaningful moment of the fight was the slam. An in shape Rampage finishes Bader then and there.

a couple of punches seem to have some effect of page. his head sure went back..anyway i am not debating that. rampage is suppose to be a professional. professionals come in shape. if he was injured and couldn't train he should have dropped out of the fight. he got beat. his best days are behind him. the game has evolved and he hasn't changed


Title: Re: Once again
Post by: Dreadlifter on February 26, 2012, 02:44:24 AM
I fell asleep and forgot to record the event. I'll catch a re-run.

Couldn't resist taking a peek at the results though.

Surprised Edgar lost his title, might keep that division interesting.

Don't know if i'm surprised by the Hunt/Kongo result. I like Kongo but Hunt's got hands that could take down pretty much any HW (maybe even Nelson).

Rampage? What can you say. I like the guy as a character and old Rampage as a fighter, but  it looks like this is a classic "i don't really care about this fight i'm just here for the money". He was in Japan where the people love him and he should've approached this fight like his life depended on it and put on a show, or at least 100% effort.


Title: Re: Once again
Post by: King Shizzo on February 26, 2012, 05:34:12 AM
I think Edgar won a close decision as well.  You have to really beat the champ to take his belt.  If Rampage keeps fighting, they need to give him some strikers to fight.  He will never win against a good wrestler these days.  The best he can do with a wrestler is hope to clip them, and then finish.  He had Rashad hurt, but couldn't finish and he had Bader dazed with that slam but couldn't follow up on it.  Give him Rich Franklin. lol


Title: Re: Once again
Post by: Krankenstein on February 26, 2012, 01:49:48 PM
I have to say that a couple of the under card fights were good....better than the snoozefest that was the Bader fight...and I started to lose interest in the Edgar fight. 


Title: Rampage says his knee was injured post fight....discuss
Post by: K-1 on February 26, 2012, 05:10:50 PM
http://www.mmatorch.com/artman2/publish/UFC_2/article_12621.shtml (http://www.mmatorch.com/artman2/publish/UFC_2/article_12621.shtml)

"If I'm going to be critically honest, I'm not surprised that I lost the fight," Jackson said after the event at the post-fight press conference (transcribed by MMAJunkie.com). "I almost didn't make it to the fight, but I didn't want to pull out for the Japanese fans. I injured my knee pretty bad, and my doctor told me not to fight. But it wasn't real serious. I didn't need surgery or nothing, but he told me it wasn't a good idea to fight. I decided to fight anyway."



Title: Re: Rampage says his knee was injured post fight....discuss
Post by: Geo on February 26, 2012, 08:05:37 PM
http://www.mmatorch.com/artman2/publish/UFC_2/article_12621.shtml (http://www.mmatorch.com/artman2/publish/UFC_2/article_12621.shtml)

"If I'm going to be critically honest, I'm not surprised that I lost the fight," Jackson said after the event at the post-fight press conference (transcribed by MMAJunkie.com). "I almost didn't make it to the fight, but I didn't want to pull out for the Japanese fans. I injured my knee pretty bad, and my doctor told me not to fight. But it wasn't real serious. I didn't need surgery or nothing, but he told me it wasn't a good idea to fight. I decided to fight anyway."



he didn't fight any shittier than he usually does..


Title: Re: Rampage says his knee was injured post fight....discuss
Post by: 20inch calves on February 27, 2012, 02:26:54 AM
he didn't fight any shittier than he usually does..

exactly. if rampage can't connect with a KO punch he has nothing besides the strength to slam you.the game has evolved he hasn't.


Title: Re: Once again
Post by: suckmymuscle on February 27, 2012, 05:32:38 AM
  That slam was vintage Rampage and together with Rampage entering to PRIDE's theme song, the most beautiful moment of UFC 144.

  It is amazing how disrecpectful that bald motherfukker, Dana White, is towards MMA fans, the Japanese fans, and towards the most mythical and glorious MMA promotion ever.

SUCKMYMUSCLE


Title: Re: Rampage says his knee was injured post fight....discuss
Post by: suckmymuscle on February 27, 2012, 05:38:46 AM
exactly. if rampage can't connect with a KO punch he has nothing besides the strength to slam you.the game has evolved he hasn't.

  "The game has evolved. He hasn't."

  Really? What evolution you refer to? Wrestlers taking their opponent to the grounds, and then humping them for a win? Because this is the only "evolution" that has happened in MMA since Zuffa hired an army of college wrestlers to become MMA fighters.

  You see, there was a time when MMA used to be about finishing your opponents. Most guys who took fights to the ground were Judo practitioners, and they tried to submit their opponents. Wrestlers also tried to finish their opponents because they would be punished with yellow and red cards for lack of aggressiveness for stalling the fight if they went for the takedown and just kept their opponents on their back without trying to finish them. Zuffa rules combined with college Greco-Roman wrestlers have killed MMA.

SUCKMYMUSCLE


Title: Re: Once again
Post by: Geo on February 27, 2012, 09:15:03 AM
page is a one trick pony who relies on his hands..

now if the one trick pony loses hand speed, that's not the sport evolving and the rampage not evolving..

that's actually rampage devolving and off the top of me head I'm pretty sure he's just about the only one in that boat that I can think of..


Title: Re: Rampage says his knee was injured post fight....discuss
Post by: Geo on February 27, 2012, 09:19:13 AM
   Wrestlers also tried to finish their opponents because they would be punished with yellow and red cards


agree..

the ufc should implement the yellow card thing..

just the threat of a yellow card would speed thing up in the cage..


Title: Re: Once again
Post by: King Shizzo on February 27, 2012, 02:43:29 PM
Agreed.  Bader didn't do shit besides a few takedowns.  It's pathetic that someone can win a fight like that.


Title: Re: Rampage says his knee was injured post fight....discuss
Post by: 20inch calves on February 28, 2012, 12:36:39 AM
 "The game has evolved. He hasn't."

  Really? What evolution you refer to? Wrestlers taking their opponent to the grounds, and then humping them for a win? Because this is the only "evolution" that has happened in MMA since Zuffa hired an army of college wrestlers to become MMA fighters.

  You see, there was a time when MMA used to be about finishing your opponents. Most guys who took fights to the ground were Judo practitioners, and they tried to submit their opponents. Wrestlers also tried to finish their opponents because they would be punished with yellow and red cards for lack of aggressiveness for stalling the fight if they went for the takedown and just kept their opponents on their back without trying to finish them. Zuffa rules combined with college Greco-Roman wrestlers have killed MMA.

SUCKMYMUSCLE


perhaps rampage should learn how to wrestle. that is my point. rampage can punch...thats it. everyone else including great strikers can wrestle and are descent at bjj. if time hadn;t run out page would have probably tapped or went to sleep when bader choked him...the choke was in deep. so don;t tell me all bader did was lay on him


Title: Re: Once again
Post by: K-1 on February 28, 2012, 07:33:27 AM
Rampage needs to face reality. The warrior spirit he has will never die but he is not willing to pay the price at 33 to run with these young dudes let alone win the title. I know at 34 now I'm not nearly as reckless as years prior.

Hoping to catch lightening in a bottle describes the current rampage imo.


Title: Re: Rampage says his knee was injured post fight....discuss
Post by: suckmymuscle on February 28, 2012, 04:20:37 PM

perhaps rampage should learn how to wrestle. that is my point. rampage can punch...thats it. everyone else including great strikers can wrestle and are descent at bjj. if time hadn;t run out page would have probably tapped or went to sleep when bader choked him...the choke was in deep. so don;t tell me all bader did was lay on him

  How is Rampage going to learn how to wrestle at almost 34 years of age against guys who have been wrestling since their teen years and went to college on wrestling scholarships? He has no chance of ever becoming good enough at it to stop their takedowns.

  The reason why wrestling has killed MMA is simple: taking humans down is ridiculously easy because we walk on two feet and have high centers of gravity, and once the wrestler takes the fight to the ground like they always do for the aforementioned reason, it becomes a wrestling match and wrestling matches are boring.

  I love watching BJJ matches and guys trying to outwit and submit each other. That is huge fun to watch. The grappling match between Big Nog and Mir was beautiful and entertaining. But wrestling matches where one tries to put the other on his back and keep him there are booooooooooooooooring. No one besides Chael Sonnen and Lesnar fan boys want to watch that. It kills MMA.

  The reality of how easy it is to do a takedown with the current rules assures the MMA fight will become a wrestling match if one or two of the fighters has a wrestling background. You cannot change the ease that wrestlers have in taking their opponents to the ground, but you can change the rules so as to stop wrestlers from cheesing up the fight and win decisions by putting their opponents on their back and keeping them there.

  Penalize takedowns with a loss of a point, meaning that if a wreslter wants to take the fight to the ground, he better try to submit his opponent or KO him with ground-and-pound or he might lose the fight, and then penalize him further with more loss of points with yellow and red cards if he shows lack of aggressiveness in trying to finish his opponent.

  Trust me, these simple rules would solve all the problems with boring fights and assure us either violent stand-up wars or great grappling matches on the ground.

SUCKMYMUSCLE


Title: Re: Once again
Post by: GraniteCityDon on February 29, 2012, 03:13:48 AM
Rampage is no longer a top tier fighter IMO, his age has caught up with him and he has not added anything to his arsenal which would enable him to compete at the highest level. His punches are rightly feared however there are far too many guys that know how to avoid them, each performance is becoming more and more one sided to the point where itll be painful to see him in there. Shame as i really liked to watch him bang back in the day but his time has passed and i dont think his heart has truly been in the game for a number of years.

He decisioned Jardine and then went downhill, and no matter what the books say there is no way in hell he beat Machida, not even close. So that leaves him with a win over an ageing Matt Hamill that wanted out of the game. Now he's looking at rematching Shogun and that could very well seal the deal on his retirement.


Title: Re: Once again
Post by: suckmymuscle on March 25, 2012, 10:56:12 PM
Great fight-- but a bullshit decision IMO

One upkick that fucks someone face up doesn't decide a 5 round fight.

IMO robbery.

Edgar should have won-- and Henderson is a bible toting retard. I hope he loses every single fight he has the rest of his life.

What fucking moron fights in Japan and says "Everything is possible through Christ, let me get an Amen"

Also, he needs to stop having Don King do his hair.

  Henderson won for the same reason Jon Jones wins his fights: he simply outsized and outmuscled his opponent. Edgar looked like a flea next to Henderson. It is that simple. This is not rocket science, folks.

SUCKMYMUSCLE


Title: Re: Once again
Post by: GraniteCityDon on March 26, 2012, 10:31:10 PM
  Henderson won for the same reason Jon Jones wins his fights: he simply outsized and outmuscled his opponent. Edgar looked like a flea next to Henderson. It is that simple. This is not rocket science, folks.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

Edgar looks like a flea compared to most of his opponents, he didnt get the job done its as simple as that.


Title: Re: Once again
Post by: suckmymuscle on March 27, 2012, 09:23:31 PM
Edgar looks like a flea compared to most of his opponents, he didnt get the job done its as simple as that.

  Because his opponents that outsized him weren't that good. The day he fought a bigger opponent who was good, and Henderson as a former WEC champion certainly is, he lost. Simple as that.

  Stop stalking me into every MMA-related thread I post desperate to prove me wrong to show that you have more MMA smarts than me. It is getting old.

SUCKMYMUSCLE


Title: Re: Once again
Post by: gracie bjj on March 28, 2012, 09:15:46 AM
frankie is a tough kid but he is just to small for some of the big weight cutters like bendo, in a rematch i dont know how frankie could beat him.i think maybe by stickin and movin the whole fight and trying to get the decision, im hopin frankie will pull it off since hes training under renzo and ricardo but bendo is just to big and skilled. id like to see frankie fight aldo, that fight will be huge, dana has a huge boner for that fight cause of the coin the ufc will pull in from ppv and tix.   


Title: Re: Once again
Post by: GraniteCityDon on March 28, 2012, 02:12:38 PM
  Because his opponents that outsized him weren't that good. The day he fought a bigger opponent who was good, and Henderson as a former WEC champion certainly is, he lost. Simple as that.

  Stop stalking me into every MMA-related thread I post desperate to prove me wrong to show that you have more MMA smarts than me. It is getting old.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

What are you on about freak? I check the updates to topics I have posted in (have a look you retard) and respond with what i think is necessary - i dont care where u post i dont go looking for you to brighten my day. So essentially you are saying Grey Maynard is not a good fighter? Once again you make yourself look like a complete twat, go back to posting random shit that you think gives off a positive impression (when infact we realise you are a complete dickhead and simply laugh). You are nothing more than a clown.


Title: Re: Once again
Post by: King Shizzo on March 28, 2012, 02:45:54 PM
What are you on about freak? I check the updates to topics I have posted in (have a look you retard) and respond with what i think is necessary - i dont care where u post i dont go looking for you to brighten my day. So essentially you are saying Grey Maynard is not a good fighter? Once again you make yourself look like a complete twat, go back to posting random shit that you think gives off a positive impression (when infact we realise you are a complete dickhead and simply laugh). You are nothing more than a clown.
Everyone that makes it to the Ufc level is a good fighter.  Suckmymuscle thinks his opinions mean fact.


Title: Re: Once again
Post by: suckmymuscle on March 28, 2012, 07:25:59 PM
What are you on about freak? I check the updates to topics I have posted in (have a look you retard) and respond with what i think is necessary - i dont care where u post i dont go looking for you to brighten my day. So essentially you are saying Grey Maynard is not a good fighter? Once again you make yourself look like a complete twat, go back to posting random shit that you think gives off a positive impression (when infact we realise you are a complete dickhead and simply laugh). You are nothing more than a clown.

  And yet, you reply to my posts, you fucking stupid fa.ggot son of a bitch, which completely invalidates what you just said about just posting in threads you have posted before.

  And yes, Gray Meynard is not as good as Henderson, who is a former WEC champion. And also lost to Meynard, which again proves my point of the importance of size in combat sports, which is why there are weight classes you idiot.

SUCKMYMUSCLE


Title: Re: Once again
Post by: GraniteCityDon on March 29, 2012, 10:14:52 AM
  And yet, you reply to my posts, you fucking stupid fa.ggot son of a bitch, which completely invalidates what you just said about just posting in threads you have posted before.

  And yes, Gray Meynard is not as good as Henderson, who is a former WEC champion. And also lost to Meynard, which again proves my point of the importance of size in combat sports, which is why there are weight classes you idiot.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

Tying yourself in knots again you genetic retard, read where i said i respond where necessary which not only supports my initial response but invalidates yours. Do you have a hardon for Henderson holding the WEC belt, it means very little in regards to him beating Edgar - the man who defeated Maynard and Penn (twice). Edgar has fought guys bigger than him and beaten them, Henderson fought well and Frankie wasnt his usual self which was obvious to see. Weight classes mean very little IMO - which i haver repeatedly stated, its the fighters ability that dictates the fight as there are far too many examples of a great little guy beating an average - good big guy. Your opinion is just that, i dont have to follow it but i can respect it - however i doubt there are any redeeming qualities to you which means i dont respect a single fucking thing about you.


Title: Re: Once again
Post by: suckmymuscle on March 29, 2012, 11:26:05 AM
Tying yourself in knots again you genetic retard, read where i said i respond where necessary which not only supports my initial response but invalidates yours. Do you have a hardon for Henderson holding the WEC belt, it means very little in regards to him beating Edgar - the man who defeated Maynard and Penn (twice). Edgar has fought guys bigger than him and beaten them, Henderson fought well and Frankie wasnt his usual self which was obvious to see. Weight classes mean very little IMO - which i haver repeatedly stated, its the fighters ability that dictates the fight as there are far too many examples of a great little guy beating an average - good big guy. Your opinion is just that, i dont have to follow it but i can respect it - however i doubt there are any redeeming qualities to you which means i dont respect a single fucking thing about you.

  You reply to my posts in every MMA-related thread I post, liar bitch boy.

  No, this is the first time he fought someone who was bigger and highly skilled, you fucking son of a bitch retarded motherfukker. The example of Maynard is retarded because:

  1. Maynard is not as good as Henderon, nor is he as big.

  2. Edgar lost to Maynard, so going 1-1 against him means shit.

  Anyone with two eyes and a working brain(not your case) can see that Edgar lost because Henderon outpowered him. Edgar tagged him a lot more than the other way around and yet his punches did no damage. Conversely, a single jab from Henderson in the first round gave Edgar a black eye.

  You are completely retarded, know nothing about MMA and should STFU before I rape you in the ass even more badly than I already did.


Title: Re: Once again
Post by: GraniteCityDon on March 29, 2012, 02:34:01 PM
 You reply to my posts in every MMA-related thread I post, liar bitch boy.

  No, this is the first time he fought someone who was bigger and highly skilled, you fucking son of a bitch retarded motherfukker. The example of Maynard is retarded because:

  1. Maynard is not as good as Henderon, nor is he as big. - 1" shorter and same reach, great comeback

  2. Edgar lost to Maynard, so going 1-1 against him means shit. It meant enough at the time when he was the only man to beat him, and subsequently smashed him before punching himself out

  Anyone with two eyes and a working brain(not your case) can see that Edgar lost because Henderon outpowered him. Edgar tagged him a lot more than the other way around and yet his punches did no damage. Conversely, a single jab from Henderson in the first round gave Edgar a black eye.

  You are completely retarded, know nothing about MMA and should STFU before I rape you in the ass even more badly than I already did. - this is the most ridiculous thing you have come out with, you have not been able to better me at all and you somehow claim that you have destroyed me in some way?! I shall do you a favour and completely ignore you in future, i have humiliated you enough & i am starting to feel sorry for you......


Title: Re: Once again
Post by: suckmymuscle on March 29, 2012, 03:00:28 PM


  Lol, classic meltdown. :) And the reason why you won't address me further is because you are a stupid person and cannot debate me. You'll claim otherwise but we both know the truth. ;) Lol, your last responses to my post were so stupid. ;D

SUCKMYMUSCLE


Title: Re: Once again
Post by: asbrus on March 29, 2012, 08:13:35 PM
Tying yourself in knots again you genetic retard, read where i said i respond where necessary which not only supports my initial response but invalidates yours. Do you have a hardon for Henderson holding the WEC belt, it means very little in regards to him beating Edgar - the man who defeated Maynard and Penn (twice). Edgar has fought guys bigger than him and beaten them, Henderson fought well and Frankie wasnt his usual self which was obvious to see. Weight classes mean very little IMO - which i haver repeatedly stated, its the fighters ability that dictates the fight as there are far too many examples of a great little guy beating an average - good big guy. Your opinion is just that, i dont have to follow it but i can respect it - however i doubt there are any redeeming qualities to you which means i dont respect a single fucking thing about you.


LMA0. L0LLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL LLLLLLLLLLLL


Title: Re: Once again
Post by: suckmymuscle on March 29, 2012, 10:22:25 PM

LMA0. L0LLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL LLLLLLLLLLLL

  Lol, that was priceless. Like an atomic bomb of stupidity exploding on everyone's faces and forever marking him as someone too stupid to argue with. ;D

SUCKMYMUSCLE


Title: Re: Once again
Post by: gracie bjj on March 30, 2012, 05:50:24 AM
edgar vs aldo is what i want to see.