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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: suckmymuscle on March 21, 2012, 09:49:48 PM
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One of the most amazing characteristics of ageing, up to a point, is the dramatic increase in strength. Studies have shown that human males only reach the absolute peak of their strength in their very late thirties to mid forties.
A man between the ages of 38 and 45 has gone downhill in many ways. His explosiveness is inferior to a young man in his early twenties, and his stamina is far inferior. Also, the first wrinkles are clearly visible in the skin. But in terms of strength, he is at the absolute peak. Ronnie was 41 years old when he shot "The Unbelieavable" where he deadlifts 805 lbs for a double and leg presses a ton.
Full grown men are a lot stronger than adolescent boys or young men. Most dads are well into their forties and fifties and they can beat the shit out of their 17 year-old sons if they misbehave. After reaching it's peak somewhere between ages 38 and 45, strength starts to decline at the rate of 1% each year, but even old men are still stronger than adolescents. There was this old man down the block in my old neighborhood who married for the second time when he was almost 50 and had a son, and even at the age of 75 he could still rag doll his 16 year-old son when he did shit at school.
Only at extremely advanced ages, usually above age 85, does the man's strength decline to a level comparable or inferior to what he had at ages 16 or 17.
The most amazing thing to me is that teenagers who workout for months are still weaker on the bench, deadlift and squat than your typical middle aged 45 year old who doesen't even workout. Muscle mass continues to increase naturally for a decade after bone growth has stopped, and strength continues to increase for yet another decade after that. Because bone growth stops completely somewhere between the ages of 18 and 25, most men peak in terms of strength between ages 38 and 45.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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Yes, this is why there are so many 40-50 year old Olympians out there. Shut the fuck up gimmick, peak strength in males occurs in the age period of 18-25, usually maxing at 25 and declining after that gradually. On the flipside as you get older the more your endurance increases.
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this is true
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Yes, this is why there are so many 40-50 year old Olympians out there. Shut the fuck up gimmick, peak strength in males occurs in the age period of 18-25, usually maxing at 25 and declining after that gradually. On the flipside as you get older the more your endurance increases.
Terrible reading comprehension from a dummy. Most Olympic sports involve explosiveness(sprinting, 100 meter free-style swin, hammer throwing, etc) or endurance(marathon running, etc) which peaks during a man's twenties. Guess that? I said explosiveness and endurance peak during youth.
And saying that endurance increases with age is beyond retarded. Endurance peaks during the early twenties. The reason why marathon champions are slightly older than that(udsually between ages 25-35) is because it takes many years of training to achieve the high level of performance of a professional marathoner.
You = stupid. :)
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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Not sure where you get your facts from. Most of your topics you seem quite clueless.
After late 30s it all goes down hill. After the late 20s testosterone just keeps dropping. Men in their 40s cannot hold onto their strength or mass due to this. Unless we are talking about men who use performance enhancers then ok. A bodybuilding man in his 40s cannot keep up with the young guns. Not to mention their physique just gets worse...
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Not sure where you get your facts from. Most of your topics you seem quite clueless.
After late 30s it all goes down hill. After the late 20s testosterone just keeps dropping. Men in their 40s cannot hold onto their strength or mass due to this. Unless we are talking about men who use performance enhancers then ok. A bodybuilding man in his 40s cannot keep up with the young guns. Not to mention their physique just gets worse...
Wrong on all counts. A 23 year old has less testosterone than a 15 year-old and yet has bigger muscles and more strength. Testosterone has nothing to do with it.
Also, I am talking about strength and not muscularity which is influenced by things such as bodyfat which increase with age and vascularity which decreases with age diminishing the quality of the physique. An 18 year-old has less bodyfat and thus more defined muscles than a 30 year-old but has less strength.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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Wrong on all counts. A 23 year old has less testosterone than a 15 year-old and yet has bigger muscles and more strength. Testosterone has nothing to do with it.
Also, I am talking about strength and not muscularity which is influenced by things such as bodyfat which increase with age and vascularity which decreases with age diminishing the quality of the physique. An 18 year-old has less bodyfat and thus more defined muscles than a 30 year-old but has less strength.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
testosterone is what helps us gain so much muscle.
The thing about a 15 year old is he still growing for many more years. Of Course a 30 year old lifter will be stronger.
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testosterone is what helps us gain so much muscle.
The thing about a 15 year old is he still growing for many more years. Of Course a 30 year old lifter will be stronger.
Exactly, dumbass. A 30 year-old man is stronger than a 15 year-old despite having less testosterone because testosterone is not the only factor responsible for muscle growth. After all, if it were, the 30 year-old man's muscles would have shrunk to a size smaller than the 15 year-old's since he has less testosterone.
Likewise, a mare has less testosterone than a human male and yet is much stronger. Riddle me that? Because there are many other factors that affect strength.
A 40 year-old has less testosterone than a young man, which reflects in higher levels of bodyfat and less aggressive behavior, but the fact that he is stronger indicates that testosterone is not the only factor regulating strength. There are probably genetic mechanisms independent of testosterone that increase strength up to an age far beyond the one when testosterone levels start declining.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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what an absolute moron to bring up testosterone at all ::)
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Exactly, dumbass. A 30 year-old man is stronger than a 15 year-old despite having less testosterone because testosterone is not the only factor responsible for muscle growth. After all, if it were, the 30 year-old man's muscles would have shrunk to a size smaller than the 15 year-old's since he has less testosterone.
Likewise, a mare has less testosterone than a human male and yet is much stronger. Riddle me that? Because there are many other factors that affect strength.
A 40 year-old has less testosterone than a young man, which reflects in higher levels of bodyfat and less aggressive behavior, but the fact that he is stronger indicates that testosterone is not the only factor regulating strength. There are probably genetic mechanisms independent of testosterone that increase strength up to an age far beyond the one when testosterone levels start declining.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
No 40 year old that is not on performance enhancers will be stronger than a weightlifting 18 year old.
A 30 year old who has been training for years can credit the great gains from the high testosterone levels in his 20s.
hope this helps
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i know they are all on PED's but if you notice the strongest men the world are in there 40's.. andy bolton comes to mind. it takes years to acquire strength
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I am not sure if this idiot suckmycock is just posting to get a reaction or if he actually serious. He is beyond delusional lol
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No 40 year old that is not on performance enhancers will be stronger than a weightlifting 18 year old.
Wrong.
A 30 year old who has been training for years can credit the great gains from the high testosterone levels in his 20s.
hope this helps
But his testosterone was higher at 20 than 30. How could his training result in more strength with lower testosterone levels than with higher testosterone levels since according to you all that matters for strength is testosterone?
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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suckymuslce,,,,owning people,,,and taking names,,,,I would make you elve,,but you got other problems I dont want,,,
gh15 approved
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With the hormones available - it's very relative.. Otherwise - may be some truth to t.
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Well wes can still get up from the toilet without holding onto the toilet roll dispenser so there is an element of truth to that theory ;D
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Well wes can still get up from the toilet without holding onto the toilet roll dispenser so there is an element of truth to that theory ;D
I will admit that at times I need a spot to perform this feat ! :D
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No 40 year old that is not on performance enhancers will be stronger than a weightlifting 18 year old.
A 30 year old who has been training for years can credit the great gains from the high testosterone levels in his 20s.
hope this helps
Any 40 year old who has been training for 15-20 years is much stronger than they were at 18. Most 18 year olds are skinny and undeveloped, far from reaching their peak strength.
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This is total bullshit.
A mans physical peak is in his early-mid 20's. I've been training since I was 18... now I'm close to 50, so I've experienced all of it.
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So, after the natural testosterone decrease at about 25 you get at your strongest point 10 to 15 years later?
Shut the fuck up.
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So, after the natural testosterone decrease at about 25 you get at your strongest point 10 to 15 years later?
Shut the fuck up.
Actually testosterone peaks at age 15 and then starts declining after that. A 25 year old has less testosterone than an 18 year-old, so why is the 25 year-old stronger?
Why is a mare stronger than a human male despite having lower testosterone levels?
You guys are obsessed with testosterone because you are dumb and think it is the only factor in strength, but it isn't.
30 year-olds have less testosterone than teenagers but thicker muscles and more strength because it is a part of getting older.
Women are also heavier and stronger at age 30 than they were at 18, and women have extremely low levels of testosterone at all ages. Just a part of growing older.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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Is this another semen thread?
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Actually testosterone peaks at age 15 and then starts declining after that. A 25 year old has less testosterone than an 18 year-old, so why is the 25 year-old stronger?
Why is a mare stronger than a human male despite having lower testosterone levels?
You guys are obsessed with testosterone because you are dumb and think it is the only factor in strength, but it isn't.
30 year-olds have less testosterone than teenagers but thicker muscles and more strength because it is a part of getting older.
Women are also heavier and stronger at age 30 than they were at 18, and women have extremely low levels of testosterone at all ages. Just a part of growing older.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
Ok, in order...
No, it varies from individual to individual but after you stop growing completely test decreases, ie, somewhere around 20 to 25. This is of course related to the cycles of release of hgh and other hormones, ie, getting older.
Jesus fuck, why is a gorilla stronger than a human despite never lifting a single weight and being herbivorous? Genetics that determine a serious of factors: muscle fiber types, tendons, overallweight and protein synthesis differences.
Prove it, by the way "thicker" means nothing at all, it either is big or small, muscle itself grows or decreases to adapt, nothing else.
Again, prove it.
I assume we mean people than DONT use exogenous hormones, right?
I know strength means neural adaptations up to a point, but without the testostorone levels to support muscle mass you are not stronger beucase your main source of strength, muscles, dont exist/decreased.
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Hahahaha I bet the basis of this thread was suckmanspenis getting excited after watching 10 '75 year old ex boxer beats up mugger' vids on youtube oh brother
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Ok, in order...
No, it varies from individual to individual but after you stop growing completely test decreases, ie, somewhere around 20 to 25. This is of course related to the cycles of release of hgh and other hormones, ie, getting older.
Jesus fuck, why is a gorilla stronger than a human despite never lifting a single weight and being herbivorous? Genetics that determine a serious of factors: muscle fiber types, tendons, overallweight and protein synthesis differences.
Prove it, by the way "thicker" means nothing at all, it either is big or small, muscle itself grows or decreases to adapt, nothing else.
Again, prove it.
I assume we mean people than DONT use exogenous hormones, right?
I know strength means neural adaptations up to a point, but without the testostorone levels to support muscle mass you are not stronger beucase your main source of strength, muscles, dont exist/decreased.
You have just agreed with everything I said, so why this post?
For fuck sake, are there any limits to the stupidity of you turds ???
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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You have just agreed with everything I said, so why this post?
For fuck sake, are there any limits to the stupidity of you turds ???
SUCKMYMUSCLE
I forgot I was talking to the delusional methhead bodybuilder...
I agreed with nothing, your examples are dumb because you compare different animals with more variables OTHER THAN TEST that do NOT apply to humans, your anecdotal evidence is useless and well, you are a general imbecile, so yeah, there is no limit to your stupidity.
Oh, and you still fail to prove your claims of older people being stronger, not one single evidence.
CETERIS PARIBUS (Im writing in hard so that you actually spend time researching) a 45 year old vs a 20 year old the younger is stronger, end of fucking discussion. This is specially true when both are either trained or untrained, not mixing variables, you dumb fuck.
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yes, I agree with jakesonyou on this matter. We are on the same page.
His postions regarding older lifters in the future are my positions.
We are working hand in glove with silent ferocity.
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Quality post. I too have noticed that anecdotally this is true. Peak strength seems to coincide with full beard growth in a lot of people too. Another reason for men to not fear the aging process--a 40 year old with a full, silver beard and peak strength is the equivalent to a silverback gorilla--and gets the most respect.
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Yes, this is why there are so many 40-50 year old Olympians out there. Shut the fuck up gimmick, peak strength in males occurs in the age period of 18-25, usually maxing at 25 and declining after that gradually. On the flipside as you get older the more your endurance increases.
Uh ... what the? ... Actually, the attribute of absolute strength DOES survive, and possibly thrive, much longer than most other physical athletic attributes.
Cardio becomes better? You truly know very little for a know-it-all. ::)
Things like lateral (and general) foot speed, explosiveness (as said), etc. all diminsh rapidly after 30, but like said, absolute strength keeps on keeping on ... especially for those who train and engage in resistance work.
Most of the top powerlifters who last, find themseleves ridiculously strong well into their 40s and 50s.
Olympic lifters, not so much. But as detailed, there are many other attributes other than absolute strength to consider in weightlifting: extreme fleixibility, extreme explosiveness, co-ordination, etc.
Get your facts straight before opening your piehole, friend. Geez.
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I`m as strong now or stronger than I`ve ever been in most lifts.
I do have back issues so I no longer squat too heavy,but most of my lifts are better or as good as they ever were and I`m 56.............just gotta` keep training hard.
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Terrible reading comprehension from a dummy. Most Olympic sports involve explosiveness(sprinting, 100 meter free-style swin, hammer throwing, etc) or endurance(marathon running, etc) which peaks during a man's twenties. Guess that? I said explosiveness and endurance peak during youth.
And saying that endurance increases with age is beyond retarded. Endurance peaks during the early twenties. The reason why marathon champions are slightly older than that(udsually between ages 25-35) is because it takes many years of training to achieve the high level of performance of a professional marathoner.
You = stupid. :)
SUCKMYMUSCLE
No shit
Nomad, just go away ... or read for a few years and do not post.
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Wrong on all counts. A 23 year old has less testosterone than a 15 year-old and yet has bigger muscles and more strength. Testosterone has nothing to do with it.
Also, I am talking about strength and not muscularity which is influenced by things such as bodyfat which increase with age and vascularity which decreases with age diminishing the quality of the physique. An 18 year-old has less bodyfat and thus more defined muscles than a 30 year-old but has less strength.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
You're handing out ownings left, right and centre, Suckymuscle. Nice work. :)
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testosterone is what helps us gain so much muscle.
The thing about a 15 year old is he still growing for many more years. Of Course a 30 year old lifter will be stronger.
T levels are only ONE factor in absolute strength. dude.
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what an absolute moron to bring up testosterone at all ::)
Very true
Know-nothings all over the place in these parts.
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No 40 year old that is not on performance enhancers will be stronger than a weightlifting 18 year old.
A 30 year old who has been training for years can credit the great gains from the high testosterone levels in his 20s.
hope this helps
Well, I have been lifting since the age of 15, and I am now 42, and I can tell you, without question, that my strength gains now are WAY better than they ever have been. And no, I am not on drugs of any kind.
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I am not sure if this idiot suckmycock is just posting to get a reaction or if he actually serious. He is beyond delusional lol
That YOU'RE so ignorant of the topic at hand is quite simply astounding.
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This is total bullshit.
A mans physical peak is in his early-mid 20's. I've been training since I was 18... now I'm close to 50, so I've experienced all of it.
He's talking about but ONE physical attribute, for FUCK sakes.
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So, after the natural testosterone decrease at about 25 you get at your strongest point 10 to 15 years later?
Shut the fuck up.
Some of you truly need a dose of humility and some more aggressive experience and knowledge before you spout off and expose your ignorance.
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You have just agreed with everything I said, so why this post?
For fuck sake, are there any limits to the stupidity of you turds ???
SUCKMYMUSCLE
Again, no shit ... this guy simply agrees with what you've said, Suckeymuscle, and then he disaggrees with his own knowledge and how it relates to the very topic of this thread.
Unbelievable
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Oh, and you still fail to prove your claims of older people being stronger, not one single evidence.
As a competitive 42-year-old powerlifter, I am my own proof.
I am on no performance-enhancer drugs (just creatine and caffeine) and recently won a meet in a decisive fashion and continue to build strength at an alarming rate.
Next year I will officially squat 700 in an IPF-type federation totally drug-free and totally raw (belt only).
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What takes it's toll as you get older are injuries. IF you stay injury free, you can continue to build strength past 40.
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As a competitive 42-year-old powerlifter, I am my own proof.
I am on no performance enhancer drugs (just creatine and caffeine) and recently won a meet in a decisive fashion and continue to build strength at an alarming rate.
Next year I will officially squat 700 in an IPF-type federation totally drug-free and totally raw (belt only).
Cool man.
Nice to see that there are still people doing it raw.
These guys with their armored shirts are rediculous.
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I do have back issues, so I no longer squat too heavy, but most of my lifts are better or as good as they ever were and I`m 56 ... just gotta keep training hard.
Well, sure, we get stiffer and take a bit longer to warm and loosen, but once we're ready, there ya go.
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Quality post. I too have noticed that anecdotally this is true. Peak strength seems to coincide with full beard growth in a lot of people too. Another reason for men to not fear the aging process--a 40 year old with a full, silver beard and peak strength is the equivalent to a silverback gorilla--and gets the most respect.
cheap move going the gorilla route on this one
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cheap move going the gorilla route on this one
;D
It's true though
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Me too; I was strongest around 40 , and I competed in Powerlifting for over 20 years ,until I was 50 so..........
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What takes it's toll as you get older are injuries. IF you stay injury free, you can continue to build strength past 40.
As Ed Coan told me, the single most important element to a strength athletes' success is to remain relatively injury-free. No catastrophic injury.
Pure strength training (of which BB is not) is not a pursuit for the impatient. Brutal absolute strength, even with drugs, takes DECADES. Of course, with drug use, most experience that catastrophic injury sooner rather than later.
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someone here talks like he's an multiple olympic gold medalist ::)
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Cool man.
Nice to see that there are still people doing it raw.
These guys with their armored shirts are rediculous.
Thanks!
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He's talking about but ONE physical attribute, for FUCK sakes.
Are you agreeing with me or disagreeing? -lol
People age differently. Some guys manage to produce higher levels of T later in life, some don't. Just because you still feel like Atlas in the gym doesn't mean everyone does.
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someone here talks like he's an multiple olympic gold medalist ::)
(http://i42.tinypic.com/9ko26f.jpg)
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Yes, that's me. What's your point?
I am not in the Olympics because there is no powerlifting in the Olympics. You perhaps do not know the difference. However, I do have some powerlifting titles to my name. And very soon to have some records, as well.
Concerning my knowing something, why, yes, I do know some stuff, unlike you and a few of your friends on this here board.
You follow me around like a bitch and make extremely weak attacks with, what, pictures? (And on that point, you kind of creep me out searching around online for my image.) Whether I am handsome, ugly, "fat" ... whatever, makes little difference to a guy like me. A guy who competes, sets new PRs, doesn't use drugs, and has a degree of intellect and education you clearly do not.
I have once again owned you.
It will be interesting to see if your modest brain can allow you to avoid this kind of embarrassment yet again. Somehow I think it cannot. You'll say something again in a lame attempt to "get the upper hand" and ... again, fail, miserably.
You are not my equal in any regard: strength, intellect, education, experience, or kindness.
Maybe you're good looking. I certainly hope you are. What else ya got going for ya?
Poor fucker.
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As a competitive 42-year-old powerlifter, I am my own proof.
I am on no performance-enhancer drugs (just creatine and caffeine) and recently won a meet in a decisive fashion and continue to build strength at an alarming rate.
Next year I will officially squat 700 in an IPF-type federation totally drug-free and totally raw (belt only).
Go for it man!!
Good luck!
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I've always read that men reach peak natural muscle mass mid to late 30's. I've found that Im naturally stronger now than I was as a younger man, even without ego lifting. The only thing I've noticed that has declined is my recovery time. I would say an untrained man at 40 is stronger than an untrained man at 18 and I bet it isn't even close. This '18 is your peak' bullshit has to stop.
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when does posting strength peak? Fortress just exploded with an uncontested 10 in a row. :o
;D
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Are you agreeing with me or disagreeing? -lol
People age differently. Some guys manage to produce higher levels of T later in life, some don't. Just because you still feel like Atlas in the gym doesn't mean everyone does.
To your single point, disagreeing.
Concerning your latter statement, fair enough.
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Yes, that's me. What's your point?
I am not in the Olympics because there is no powerlifting in the Olympics. You perhaps do not know the difference. However, I do have some powerliftint titles to my name. And very soon to have some records, as well.
Concerning my knowing something, why, yes, I do know some stuff, unlike you and a few of your friends on this here board.
You follow me around like a bitch and make extremely weak attacks with, what, pictures? And on that point, you kind of creep me out searching around online for my image. Whether I am handsome, ugly, "fat ... whatever, make little difference to a guy like me. A guy who competes, sets new PRs, doesn't use drugs, and has a degree of intellect and education you clearly do not.
I have once again owned you.
It will be interesting to see if your modest brain can allow you to avoid this kind of embarrassment yet again. Somehow I think it cannot. You'll say something again in a lame attempt to "get the upper hand" and ... again fail, miserably.
You are not my equal in any regard: strength, intellect, education, experience, or kindness.
Maybe you're good looking. I certainly hope you are. What else ya got going for ya?
Poor fucker.
Voland post pictures of women shitting on guys' dicks. He's a degenerate nuff said
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Yes, that's me. What's your point?
I am not in the Olympics because there is no powerlifting in the Olympics. You perhaps do not know the difference. However, I do have some powerliftint titles to my name. And very soon to have some records, as well.
Concerning my knowing something, why, yes, I do know some stuff, unlike you and a few of your friends on this here board.
You follow me around like a bitch and make extremely weak attacks with, what, pictures? And on that point, you kind of creep me out searching around online for my image. Whether I am handsome, ugly, "fat ... whatever, make little difference to a guy like me. A guy who competes, sets new PRs, doesn't use drugs, and has a degree of intellect and education you clearly do not.
I have once again owned you.
It will be interesting to see if your modest brain can allow you to avoid this kind of embarrassment yet again. Somehow I think it cannot. You'll say something again in a lame attempt to "get the upper hand" and ... again fail, miserably.
You are not my equal in any regard: strength, intellect, education, experience, or kindness.
Maybe you're good looking. I certainly hope you are. What else ya got going for ya?
Poor fucker.
don't worry, it's never too late for a mid-life crisis :)
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when does posting strength peak? Fortress just exploded with an uncontested 10 in a row. :o
;D
Lol
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Go for it man!!
Good luck!
Thanks, brother. Much appreciated.
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when does posting strength peak? Fortress just exploded with an uncontested 10 in a row. :o
;D
Perhaps it is my natural aggression level that allows me to continue to smash my own PRs, year after year.
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Yes, that's me. What's your point?
I am not in the Olympics because there is no powerlifting in the Olympics. You perhaps do not know the difference. However, I do have some powerliftint ;D :D titles to my name. And very soon to have some records, as well.
Concerning my knowing something, why, yes, I do know some stuff, unlike you and a few of your friends on this here board.
You follow me around like a bitch and make extremely weak attacks with, what, pictures? And on that point, you kind of creep me out searching around online for my image. Whether I am handsome, ugly, "fat ... whatever, make little difference to a guy like me. A guy who competes, sets new PRs, doesn't use drugs, and has a degree of intellect and education you clearly do not.
I have once again owned you.
It will be interesting to see if your modest brain can allow you to avoid this kind of embarrassment yet again. Somehow I think it cannot. You'll say something again in a lame attempt to "get the upper hand" and ... again fail, miserably.
You are not my equal in any regard: strength, intellect, education, experience, or kindness.
Maybe you're good looking. I certainly hope you are. What else ya got going for ya?
Poor fucker.
you should, you're twice my age. powerlifting is an excuse of a sport.
You like lifting weights? go the the olympics, proof your dedication and knowledge.
You like handling weights? do strongman.
You don't look like an athlete either. So whats you point.
Powerlifting is a joke there are like 200 federations. Anyone can have a title.
To me you're just a douche lifting in workboots (oh boy...too bad ass to use regular footwear ::))
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don't worry, it's never too late for a mid-life crisis :)
Too busy becoming better, but thanks.
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Voland post pictures of women shitting on guys' dicks. He's a degenerate nuff said
i'd do it in a heartbeat if the inquisitors didn't remove it :D
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when does posting strength peak? Fortress just exploded with an uncontested 10 in a row. :o
;D
must be posting from his phone while taking 25min rest between sets. ;D
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you should, you're twice my age. powerlifting is an excuse of a sport.
You like lifting weights? go the the olympics, proof your dedication and knowledge.
You like handling weights? do strongman.
You don't look like an athlete either. So whats you point.
Powerlifting is a joke there are like 200 federations. Anyone can have a title.
To me you're just a douche lifting in workboots (oh boy...too bad ass to use regular footwear ::))
Weak, buddy. Weak.
But you do know I used to squat in workboots, so we clearly have met.
Guess I made you feel so inferior you now go at me on the computer.
A real man.
I will not dignify you with any more responses.
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Weak, buddy. Weak.
But you do know I used to squat in workboots, so we clearly have met.
Guess I made you feel so inferior you now go at me on the computer.
A real man.
I will not dignify you with any more responses.
you do? lol
I didn't know. But thats what powerlifters do. And other tools like branch. They are hardcore sobs ::)
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This is total bullshit.
A mans physical peak is in his early-mid 20's. I've been training since I was 18... now I'm close to 50, so I've experienced all of it.
Agreed, been training since 13, now near 50, strongest at 27-30, easily 225 on the bench for 20 reps with feet up on the bench, now............ don't even want to say. Never used anything stronger than a protein shake, body weight nearly unchanged, body composition well that's another story.
:-[
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Agreed, been training since 13, now near 50, strongest at 27-30, easily 225 on the bench for 20 reps with feet up on the bench, now............ don't even want to say. Never used anything stronger than a protein shake, body weight nearly unchanged, body composition well that's another story.
:-[
So you're just an inferior male, physiologically.
Bodyweight unchanged is a dead giveaway.
Maybe you just don't train properly. Too much horseshit and not enough detailed strength training. You likely do trad. Western-style hypertrophy training.
But I am not trying to be a jerk.
Best of luck to you.
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So you're just an inferior male, physiologically.
Bodyweight unchanged is a dead giveaway.
Maybe you just don't train properly. Too much horseshit and not enough detailed strength training. You likely do trad. Western-style hypertrophy training.
But I am not trying to be a jerk.
Best of luck to you.
Apparently you don't have to try to be a jerk, you just are. Not sure why you feel the need to attack, likely because it is easy to do behind a keyboard.
I was trying to help, but, some are beyond that.
I don't need luck, you need more than that.
Perhaps we should compare our knowledge of the human body and performance?? Where did you attend med school? Residency and Fellowship??
If you believe what I said not to be true in the vast majority of the male population, well then, you should be educated, remember, ignorance is not a crime.
Sometimes it is better to let people wonder if you know what you are doing by keeping you mouth shut, when you open it, you remove all doubt that you in fact do not know much.
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Most Getbiggers recieve our medical degree's at birth. Medicine is just something we dabble in to keep current and pass the time between marathon fuck sessions with supermodels and A list actresses.
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I've always read that men reach peak natural muscle mass mid to late 30's. I've found that Im naturally stronger now than I was as a younger man, even without ego lifting. The only thing I've noticed that has declined is my recovery time. I would say an untrained man at 40 is stronger than an untrained man at 18 and I bet it isn't even close. This '18 is your peak' bullshit has to stop.
Very good post.....I have to agree with you.
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Most Getbiggers recieve our medical degree's at birth. Medicine is just something we dabble in to keep current and pass the time between marathon fuck sessions with supermodels and A list actresses.
EXACTLY ! :D
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Most Getbiggers recieve our medical degree's at birth. Medicine is just something we dabble in to keep current and pass the time between marathon fuck sessions with supermodels and A list actresses.
and rich milfs.
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Uh ... what the? ... Actually, the attribute of absolute strength DOES survive, and possibly thrive, much longer than most other physical athletic attributes.
Cardio becomes better? You truly know very little for a know-it-all. ::)
Things like lateral (and general) foot speed, explosiveness (as said), etc. all diminsh rapidly after 30, but like said, absolute strength keeps on keeping on ... especially for those who train and engage in resistance work.
Most of the top powerlifters who last, find themseleves ridiculously strong well into their 40s and 50s.
Olympic lifters, not so much. But as detailed, there are many other attributes other than absolute strength to consider in weightlifting: extreme fleixibility, extreme explosiveness, co-ordination, etc.
Get your facts straight before opening your piehole, friend. Geez.
smm most of the time is full of shit....
but this time he is telling some truth...
physical peak for a male is somewhere between early twenties up to late twenties..... with some early 30's... very individual...
but pure raw strenght???
look at strongmen contests... a lot of dudes are well into there 30's and go on to be top dogs well into their 40's....
and please no drug comments.... every strength athelete is on drugs.... when they are 20 or 40 .... they are all on drugs....
and btw, my grandfather still crushes my hand when i give him a handshake... lol... at 83 years old.... ;D ;D ;D
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Apparently you don't have to try to be a jerk, you just are. Not sure why you feel the need to attack, likely because it is easy to do behind a keyboard.
I was trying to help, but, some are beyond that.
I don't need luck, you need more than that.
Perhaps we should compare our knowledge of the human body and performance?? Where did you attend med school? Residency and Fellowship??
If you believe what I said not to be true in the vast majority of the male population, well then, you should be educated, remember, ignorance is not a crime.
Sometimes it is better to let people wonder if you know what you are doing by keeping you mouth shut, when you open it, you remove all doubt that you in fact do not know much.
Easy, fella. I truly wasn't trying to be a dick (but I can see how I come across this way from time to time).
You certainly have more formal biology, etc. training than do I. To this there is no question. I'm out of my league.
So, yes, sorry.
Cool?
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Apparently you don't have to try to be a jerk, you just are. Not sure why you feel the need to attack, likely because it is easy to do behind a keyboard.
I was trying to help, but, some are beyond that.
I don't need luck, you need more than that.
Perhaps we should compare our knowledge of the human body and performance?? Where did you attend med school? Residency and Fellowship??
If you believe what I said not to be true in the vast majority of the male population, well then, you should be educated, remember, ignorance is not a crime.
Sometimes it is better to let people wonder if you know what you are doing by keeping you mouth shut, when you open it, you remove all doubt that you in fact do not know much.
wow what a downer
why don't you take those scalpels and drop them in and around your wrists bro and put those degrees to work.
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Apparently you don't have to try to be a jerk, you just are. Not sure why you feel the need to attack, likely because it is easy to do behind a keyboard.
I was trying to help, but, some are beyond that.
I don't need luck, you need more than that.
Perhaps we should compare our knowledge of the human body and performance?? Where did you attend med school? Residency and Fellowship??
If you believe what I said not to be true in the vast majority of the male population, well then, you should be educated, remember, ignorance is not a crime.
Sometimes it is better to let people wonder if you know what you are doing by keeping you mouth shut, when you open it, you remove all doubt that you in fact do not know much.
P.S. Fact is, with all the RIDICULOUS people on this board, spouting endlessly ignorant shit and launching mean-spirited personal attacks, I was perhaps overly defensive. Check out the thread prior to what I initially wrote you, after all. So yeah, I re-read what I did write, and fully recognize how crappy it sounds.
I hope you can understand and accept my apology.
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wow what a downer
why don't you take those scalpels and drop them in and around your wrists bro and put those degrees to work.
No, I took a first swing, and he deserved an apology from me.
Not that I agree in any way, shape or form that men who are strength conditioned cannot continue to set new strength PRs WELL into their 40s and 50s.
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P.S. Fact is, with all the RIDICULOUS people on this board, spouting endlessly ignorant shit and launching mean-spirited personal attacks, I was perhaps overly defensive. Check out the thread prior to what I initially wrote you, after all. So yeah, I re-read what I did write, and fully recognize how crappy it sounds.
I hope you can understand and accept my apology.
you melted down and paid your frustration with vascsurgeon?
on a side note. Whats your job? You are SO educated you must have a 401k job, right?
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Terrible reading comprehension from a dummy. Most Olympic sports involve explosiveness(sprinting, 100 meter free-style swin, hammer throwing, etc) or endurance(marathon running, etc) which peaks during a man's twenties. Guess that? I said explosiveness and endurance peak during youth.
And saying that endurance increases with age is beyond retarded. Endurance peaks during the early twenties. The reason why marathon champions are slightly older than that(udsually between ages 25-35) is because it takes many years of training to achieve the high level of performance of a professional marathoner.
You = stupid. :)
SUCKMYMUSCLE
You are completely ignoring the PED factor and assuming that older people are stronger due to "natural" reasons and not due to hormone usage. So how about we take a look at the average joe which does not compete and does not need to resort to ped usage in order to boost his strength and athletic performance past his natural limits.
Pounds the average man can bench-press one time: 160
Age (yrs) 20-29 30-39 40-49 50-59 60-69
Max. Weight (lbs) 180 158 143 128 116
There you go gimmick, check / mate. Max strength in natural males occurs in 20-29 range or specifically around 25. Now present evidence to the contrary (which you wont) or go on gimmikin.
http://www.elitefeet.com/are-you-an-average-man
By the way where is the video of your 605lb bench press at 250 lbs bodyweight, gimmmikon?
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You are completely ignoring the PED factor and assuming that older people are stronger due to "natural" reasons and not due to hormone usage. So how about we take a look at the average joe which does not compete and does not need to resort to ped usage in order to boost his strength and athletic performance past his natural limits.
Pounds the average man can bench-press one time: 160
Age (yrs) 20-29 30-39 40-49 50-59 60-69
Max. Weight (lbs) 180 158 143 128 116
There you go gimmick, check / mate. Max strength in natural males occurs in 20-29 range or specifically around 25. Now present evidence to the contrary (which you wont) or go on gimmikin.
http://www.elitefeet.com/are-you-an-average-man
By the way where is the video of your 605lb bench press at 250 lbs bodyweight, gimmmikon?
So according to you, 40 year olds who take steroids are stronger than 20 year old who take steroids and what explains that are the steroids? You are incredibly stupid. :-\
And the information you posted is easily proven wrong by the fact that most powerlifting records are broken by men much older than 20. Given the same number of training years, a 30 year-old is always stronger than a 20 year old and a 40 year old is always stronger than a 30 years old.
http://articles.latimes.com/2011/may/29/health/la-he-nutrition-ensure-20110529 (http://articles.latimes.com/2011/may/29/health/la-he-nutrition-ensure-20110529)
"In most people, muscle mass and strength peaks at age 40, says John Rathmacher, a research scientist who studies HMB at Metabolic Technologies Inc., a nutritional products company founded by Iowa State University researchers who conducted early studies on the compound. According to government data, 35% of U.S. adults 60 and older have moderate loss of muscle mass and strength. Some studies have shown that when adults reach their 70s, they may lose 2% to 4% of their muscle strength each year.
Rathmacher adds that HMB's appeal stems from the fact that it provides the benefits of leucine on a concentrated scale. "You'd have to consume 10 times the amount of leucine to get the HMB you need" to have an effect on muscle health, Rathmacher says.
Still, leucine is just one of many amino acids the body needs for strong muscles, Camire notes. She points out that the only proven way to prevent age-related muscle loss and weakening is to consume a diet with adequate calories and a variety of proteins while practicing strength training.
Supplements like HMB may seem like an easy shortcut to preventing muscle loss, she says, but they're not miracle products."
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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So according to you, 40 year olds who take steroids are stronger than 20 year old who take steroids and what explains that are the steroids? You are incredibly stupid. :-\
And the information you posted is easily proven wrong by the fact that most powerlifting records are broken by men much older than 20. Given the same number of training years, a 30 year-old is always stronger than a 20 year old and a 40 year old is always stronger than a 30 years old.
http://articles.latimes.com/2011/may/29/health/la-he-nutrition-ensure-20110529 (http://articles.latimes.com/2011/may/29/health/la-he-nutrition-ensure-20110529)
"In most people, muscle mass and strength peaks at age 40, says John Rathmacher, a research scientist who studies HMB at Metabolic Technologies Inc., a nutritional products company founded by Iowa State University researchers who conducted early studies on the compound. According to government data, 35% of U.S. adults 60 and older have moderate loss of muscle mass and strength. Some studies have shown that when adults reach their 70s, they may lose 2% to 4% of their muscle strength each year.
Rathmacher adds that HMB's appeal stems from the fact that it provides the benefits of leucine on a concentrated scale. "You'd have to consume 10 times the amount of leucine to get the HMB you need" to have an effect on muscle health, Rathmacher says.
Still, leucine is just one of many amino acids the body needs for strong muscles, Camire notes. She points out that the only proven way to prevent age-related muscle loss and weakening is to consume a diet with adequate calories and a variety of proteins while practicing strength training.
Supplements like HMB may seem like an easy shortcut to preventing muscle loss, she says, but they're not miracle products."
SUCKMYMUSCLE
ignorin ped usage
go on gimmikin
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ignorin ped usage
go on gimmikin
Lol..I wish that you could see yourself as I am seeing you right now. This is so embarassing...
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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P.S. Fact is, with all the RIDICULOUS people on this board, spouting endlessly ignorant shit and launching mean-spirited personal attacks, I was perhaps overly defensive. Check out the thread prior to what I initially wrote you, after all. So yeah, I re-read what I did write, and fully recognize how crappy it sounds.
I hope you can understand and accept my apology.
Understood, and I agree with you about many members, when I have time I like to see what guys are thinking and saying around here, sometimes good stuff, many times, well........ you know.
I don't disagree, P.R.'s are possible, however, when you train as hard as possible for as long as possible, your #'s will go down as you approach 40 and for sure 50 if you are without PED's lifetime. PED's change all.
Just remember this: A sedentary male loses nearly 1lb of muscle mass per year after the age of 20!!
I understand we are not sedentary, but, keep that in the back of your mind, we are all fighting mother nature here. There are exceptions to be sure, but, how often???????
My experience is if you never weight trained until 30 yrs of age then it is way more likely to increase into your 40's but if that same person started at 15 their best lifts likely would have been before 30.
Hope this helps,
Regards Vasc.
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I agree with suckmymuscle 100% for anecdotal reasons. Most of the misconceptions in this thread are people bringing up arguments about explosive movements, certain exercises, and even testosterone levels.
This strength that he is talking about is a different phenomenon. It is a functional strength. In the gym I am able to move some very decent numbers with the barbell and consider myself one of the stronger people out there. However, when I am placed in a more natural environment such as a scenario of moving heavy furniture or logs in the yard, my middle aged father is able to do just as much as I can and sometimes even more despite the fact that I can outlift him by a lot in the gym. For example, his grip strength far exceeds mine. I believe that fully matured muscle fibers coupled with a more developed CNS are big contributors to this.
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There is something to be said about the older you get, the stronger you get. Nevertheless, the clock is always ticking.
In powerlifting circles - some or many of the elite athletes are in their mid 30s when they peak. I have a few friends - who have passed on the torch - due to injuries and quadruple bypass surgeries (heavy drug usage) in their early 40s. However, from colleagues (non competing) i hear the upper limit is age 40, after which the game changes - even with vigorous training early on. So they adjust for it with different training protocols, primarily by reducing volume.
Apart from that -- the biggest factor that comes into play is hormonized vs. non hormonized at age.
Being hormonized at any age will give the athlete/average trainer -- an advantage that no 18 or 21 year old can touch. This allows for a few extra years in pushing the limits.
P.S. There is no natural bodybuilding or natural powerlifting, as much as most of us are led to believe.
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In general, from what I've seen both in users and naturals is, assuming they started lifting around high school years -
Olympic Lifting - Mid to late 20's are the best years. After about 30, speed, flexibility, etc...... are going. A few years after that, there all but gone.
Strongman - 30's are the best years.
Powerlifting - 30's are the best years, if you look at the record books, most records are from guys in their 30's.
Thing is that in powerlifting, it isn't a giant drop off, if a person is smart and can schedule a decent amount of time around lifting. The killer in Powerlifting and most other hobbies is that life gets in the way. After about 10-15 years in the sport, most guys are burnt out, they've got jobs, families, etc..... that all take precedence over training, and that's not necessarily a bad thing.
Also a lot of guys are just beat up by the training, injuries as someone mentioned, stops guys. Lots of guys just want to settle into a nice mellow style of training.
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Not that I agree in any way, shape or form that men who are strength conditioned cannot continue to set new strength PRs WELL into their 40s and 50s.
THIS
lmao@thinking 40 or 50 is old too.
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THIS
lmao@thinking 40 or 50 is old too.
yeah....
like after a certain age a switch is turned off and one gets less strong , less fast... etc.. etc...
i am 32 .... feel just like i did when i was 23.... only difference is now i need my rest.... but when i get my 7 to 8 hours of sleep... i am g2g....
the changes do not happen THAT fast..... and a lot of age related problems can be overcome or slowed down with training.
and all these research on sedentary people... lol... ofcourse they wasted away ! USE IT OR LOSE IT!!
it is also very individual... some age faster then others....
and i will not even mention PED's ... lol... thanx to them we can be bb in our 50's!!!! and good bb!! gotta love chemicals!
;D ;D ;D
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i dont buy this peaking at 18-21.there are exceptions but i work with and see far too many scrawny weak or very overweight young men now to believe this is true at all.
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yeah....
like after a certain age a switch is turned off and one gets less strong , less fast... etc.. etc...
i am 32 .... feel just like i did when i was 23.... only difference is now i need my rest.... but when i get my 7 to 8 hours of sleep... i am g2g....
the changes do not happen THAT fast..... and a lot of age related problems can be overcome or slowed down with training.
and all these research on sedentary people... lol... ofcourse they wasted away ! USE IT OR LOSE IT!!
it is also very individual... some age faster then others....
and i will not even mention PED's ... lol... thanx to them we can be bb in our 50's!!!! and good bb!! gotta love chemicals!
;D ;D ;D
QFT
Sans the chemicals. :)
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Great original post.
I would assume SMM has a 17 or 18 year old son?
As far as the truth to his statements, they do apply to me. I could have easily written that from my personal experience, and having an 18 year old son who lifts and thinks he's a badass from time to time and wants to challenge me.
I also have a grandfather, who at 86 years old lifted a double-gated redwood fence all by himself. Strong as an ox. I lifted and he didnt (as far as the gym was concerned)
He lived to be 96 and was still extremely strong with a vise-like grip. He did physical construction labor every day except Sunday. He stayed active. He ate healthy, slept well and didn't smoke.
He had a lot of attitude, but as an architect designer and construction worker, his work was always in high demand. He would even do his own cleanup at his construction sites (which most contractors are "too good" to do these days)
Empirical data is hard for some people to believe, but when you've lived it, who cares if anyone believes you or not?
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Great original post.
I would assume SMM has a 17 or 18 year old son?
As far as the truth to his statements, they do apply to me. I could have easily written that from my personal experience, and having an 18 year old son who lifts and thinks he's a badass from time to time and wants to challenge me.
I also have a grandfather, who at 86 years old lifted a double-gated redwood fence all by himself. Strong as an ox. I lifted and he didnt (as far as the gym was concerned)
He lived to be 96 and was still extremely strong with a vise-like grip. He did physical construction labor every day except Sunday. He stayed active. He ate healthy, slept well and didn't smoke.
He had a lot of attitude, but as an architect designer and construction worker, his work was always in high demand. He would even do his own cleanup at his construction sites (which most contractors are "too good" to do these days)
Empirical data is hard for some people to believe, but when you've lived it, who cares if anyone believes you or not?
this..... and science is often wrong..... it is ever evolving... i mean only 500 years ago science said the earyth was flat....
copernicus was even killed because at the time he said it was a sphere... lol!
who says some years from now, it can be scientifically proven as to why older men are stronger...???
a lot of people here seem to think if science can't prove something it is therefore false.... yet a lot of these same people go to church on sundays to sing and pray to a god for wich science has no proof what so ever....
things that make you go mmmmmmmmmmmmmm...... ;)
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I`m stronger and feel better than ever...........if you don`t,start eating better,training harder,and get on the right gear or HRT.
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Because Getbiggers often have the reading comprehension of toddlers with ADHD, I should have qualified my statement more thoroughly.
Strength, properly defined in physical terms by the ability to generate force absolutely(without regards to time) peaks at the age of 40 for human males, give or take a few years.
Power, the ability to generate force per unit of time, peaks in the late twenties for human males, usually around ages 27 or 28, and stamina, the ability to sustain work, peaks very early usually in the early twenties.
A 40 year old men cannot throw a football as far as a 25 year old, or run a marathon in 2:30 hours like a healthy 22 year-old, because throwing a football involves power(acceleration = force X time) and marathon running involves sustaining work at which a 40 year old is far inferior to a youth.
But in pure strength, a trained 40 year old lifts heavier absolute weights than a 30 year-old, and much heavier weights than a 20 year-old.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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Understood, and I agree with you about many members, when I have time I like to see what guys are thinking and saying around here, sometimes good stuff, many times, well........ you know.
I don't disagree, P.R.'s are possible, however, when you train as hard as possible for as long as possible, your #'s will go down as you approach 40 and for sure 50 if you are without PED's lifetime. PED's change all.
Just remember this: A sedentary male loses nearly 1lb of muscle mass per year after the age of 20!!
I understand we are not sedentary, but, keep that in the back of your mind, we are all fighting mother nature here. There are exceptions to be sure, but, how often???????
My experience is if you never weight trained until 30 yrs of age then it is way more likely to increase into your 40's but if that same person started at 15 their best lifts likely would have been before 30.
Hope this helps,
Regards Vasc.
All I know is, I am, as said, a natural 42-year-old man, who has been lifting since the age of 15, and I am now enjoying the best gains of my life. My brute strength seems to be snowballing with every passing 6 months. Sure, I require more recovery (having said what this implies, I also am considerably more capable of doing damage to myself, so ... ), but as someone else said, when I am rested, fed and warmed, I crush numbers I wouldn't have conceived 10 years ago.
It is worth pointing out that I have never been married (thankfully), never smoked a cigarette (pot, anything), never been drunk (or to this point, never really even drank alcohol at all), do not have children (thankfully), have always eaten well, come from VERY sturdy genetic stock (mostly Viking in ancestry), and I have FIERCE determination (have never stopped lifting in about 27 years).
Take all this how you will.
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its always cool to find an Asgardian who posts on getbig. ::)
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its always cool to find an Asgardian who posts on getbig. ::)
Thanks Voland!
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