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Title: 2 questions
Post by: Butterbean on March 26, 2012, 07:14:35 AM
In your belief/opinion:


1.  If a tree falls in the forest and no one is around to hear it, does it make a sound?

2.  Do you believe in a Spiritual God and/or a Spirit World?


Title: Re: 2 questions
Post by: Butterbean on March 26, 2012, 07:15:00 AM
1. Yes

2. Yes


Title: Re: 2 questions
Post by: Hugo Chavez on March 26, 2012, 08:54:16 AM
In your belief/opinion:


1.  If a tree falls in the forest and no one is around to hear it, does it make a sound?

2.  Do you believe in a Spiritual God and/or a Spirit World?


1. Yes
2. Yes there's some crazy shit going on.


Title: Re: 2 questions
Post by: Butterbean on March 28, 2012, 07:14:35 AM

2. Yes there's some crazy shit going on.

Would you please elaborate (here or PM)?


Title: Re: 2 questions
Post by: Man of Steel on April 09, 2012, 11:32:37 AM
Yes

Yes, but don't believe in ghosts (ex: my grandfather won't be haunting his old house).  Angels, demons and eternity after our death here on Earth....yes.


Title: Re: 2 questions
Post by: mik1111 on April 09, 2012, 01:11:29 PM
i have yet to see a credible first hand testimony of spirits...
there are some strange events but chance can account for plenty.
anyway, i love to hear these kind of things....


Title: Re: 2 questions
Post by: haider on April 09, 2012, 07:55:16 PM
In your belief/opinion:


1.  If a tree falls in the forest and no one is around to hear it, does it make a sound?

2.  Do you believe in a Spiritual God and/or a Spirit World?

1. Yes. Lots of things happen when left unobserved. Tides go in, tides go out... who can explain that?

2. I believe in God, but I do not know what God is... I'm agnostic about that  ;D I do believe there is a spiritual dimension but I don't mean that in the literal sense, any physical descriptions of heaven/hell are probably allegorical.


Title: Re: 2 questions
Post by: Butterbean on April 10, 2012, 08:28:14 AM
1. Yes. Lots of things happen when left unobserved. 2. I believe in God, but I do not know what God is... I'm agnostic about that  ;D I do believe there is a spiritual dimension but I don't mean that in the literal sense, any physical descriptions of heaven/hell are probably allegorical.

haider I always thought you were Muslim.

"Tides go in, tides go out... who can explain that?"  ;D


Title: Re: 2 questions
Post by: Necrosis on April 11, 2012, 03:16:23 PM
1. Yes. Lots of things happen when left unobserved. Tides go in, tides go out... who can explain that?

2. I believe in God, but I do not know what God is... I'm agnostic about that  ;D I do believe there is a spiritual dimension but I don't mean that in the literal sense, any physical descriptions of heaven/hell are probably allegorical.

you have come a long way for the retard you were, the shitty thing is your iq is just right above retard so you receive none of the retard ability, no mong strength, you are just a low grade mental midget in a juvenile diabetes coma, that's where you are.

YOU SON OF A BITHC!!!!!!2

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Hairdo say haiiiiiiiiiiiiii


Title: Re: 2 questions
Post by: Necrosis on April 11, 2012, 03:19:07 PM
1. Yes. Lots of things happen when left unobserved. Tides go in, tides go out... who can explain that?

2. I believe in God, but I do not know what God is... I'm agnostic about that  ;D I do believe there is a spiritual dimension but I don't mean that in the literal sense, any physical descriptions of heaven/hell are probably allegorical.
1. bill o'reilly

2. oh agnostic about that one irrationality huh? what about that first one there, faith as you outlined in the first four words.

autism


Title: Re: 2 questions
Post by: haider on April 18, 2012, 08:50:46 PM
you have come a long way for the retard you were, the shitty thing is your iq is just right above retard so you receive none of the retard ability, no mong strength, you are just a low grade mental midget in a juvenile diabetes coma, that's where you are.

YOU SON OF A BITHC!!!!!!2

(http://bookhaven.stanford.edu/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/osama.jpg)

Hairdo say haiiiiiiiiiiiiii
LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  ;D ;D ;D ;D

 :'(

If it wasn't for the lax moderation I'd never have to read that  :'(




















In all seriousness I can't stop laughing  ;D


Title: Re: 2 questions
Post by: haider on April 18, 2012, 08:58:35 PM
1. bill o'reilly

2. oh agnostic about that one irrationality huh? what about that first one there, faith as you outlined in the first four words.

autism
didn't want it to turn into a debate thread. much rather discuss that through PM anyway... but I think the atheist/theist argument centers around a certain conception of god that not all people ascribe to.

To put my views plainly, I believe in a divine source... God, or whatever you wanna call it. I just don't know what the spiritual traditions mean by 'God'. Buddhism, which I accept as a true religion does not even have the concept of God, but its core teachings are essentially the same as Islam.


bitch.


Title: Re: 2 questions
Post by: Necrosis on April 20, 2012, 08:06:36 AM
LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  ;D ;D ;D ;D

 :'(

If it wasn't for the lax moderation I'd never have to read that  :'(




















In all seriousness I can't stop laughing  ;D

Lax moderation Lulz.


Title: Re: 2 questions
Post by: Necrosis on April 20, 2012, 08:13:24 AM
didn't want it to turn into a debate thread. much rather discuss that through PM anyway... but I think the atheist/theist argument centers around a certain conception of god that not all people ascribe to.

To put my views plainly, I believe in a divine source... God, or whatever you wanna call it. I just don't know what the spiritual traditions mean by 'God'. Buddhism, which I accept as a true religion does not even have the concept of God, but its core teachings are essentially the same as Islam.


bitch.

I can dig this, I too feel the sense of awe and wonder and see Love as god.

I was going to PM you but this argument is an interesting one. Lets see what people think of it's implications and the possibility that it is true.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GLvXaclRlHs

This is a very valid argument from a neuroscience perspective. Basically if you understand or make the leap that humans will eventually be able to create consciousness, as it appears it is simply an organizational thing. Then simulated universes will actually outnumber real ones, such that it is more likely that we are a simulation. The fact that error code has been found within the equations that explain the universe is startling to me. There are only a couple people who actually understand what this man is talking about so all i can offer is conjecture. Watch the vid, its super interesting. It indicates that the universe operates on a binary code, and that error code has been inserted to reduce the loss of information just like in computers.



Title: Re: 2 questions
Post by: Necrosis on April 20, 2012, 08:29:35 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q1LCVknKUJ4

more to the point.


Title: Re: 2 questions
Post by: haider on April 22, 2012, 07:18:14 PM
I can dig this, I too feel the sense of awe and wonder and see Love as god.

I was going to PM you but this argument is an interesting one. Lets see what people think of it's implications and the possibility that it is true.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GLvXaclRlHs

This is a very valid argument from a neuroscience perspective. Basically if you understand or make the leap that humans will eventually be able to create consciousness, as it appears it is simply an organizational thing. Then simulated universes will actually outnumber real ones, such that it is more likely that we are a simulation. The fact that error code has been found within the equations that explain the universe is startling to me. There are only a couple people who actually understand what this man is talking about so all i can offer is conjecture. Watch the vid, its super interesting. It indicates that the universe operates on a binary code, and that error code has been inserted to reduce the loss of information just like in computers.

Yea I came across this discussion when I was searching for muscle bears browsing on youtube once, I believe it was a talk about the progress on string theory in the last decade. I don't know what to make of the clip you posted lol, but Smolin's criticism of reality not being math because of the existence of time is interesting (because you cannot take time into account in these equations). The idea that the universe is an illusion is something i've come across before..For example, Ibn El-arabi, a great Sufi of the 11th century something along the lines of "The universe is essentially imagination". Elsewhere I have come across the idea that what collapses the wave function in quantum mechanics is consciousness, and therefore you need consciousness for something to exist.

I don't know what the fuck this all means, in the end you still have to make a living and pay your bills  :'(


Title: Re: 2 questions
Post by: garebear on April 22, 2012, 07:35:40 PM
I believe whatever the bible says.

It's obviously one hundred percent correct. Especially the part about the dinosaurs.


Title: Re: 2 questions
Post by: Necrosis on April 23, 2012, 05:26:41 AM
Yea I came across this discussion when I was searching for muscle bears browsing on youtube once, I believe it was a talk about the progress on string theory in the last decade. I don't know what to make of the clip you posted lol, but Smolin's criticism of reality not being math because of the existence of time is interesting (because you cannot take time into account in these equations). The idea that the universe is an illusion is something i've come across before..For example, Ibn El-arabi, a great Sufi of the 11th century something along the lines of "The universe is essentially imagination". Elsewhere I have come across the idea that what collapses the wave function in quantum mechanics is consciousness, and therefore you need consciousness for something to exist.

I don't know what the fuck this all means, in the end you still have to make a living and pay your bills  :'(

basically what he is saying is that there is a very very specific type of error blocking code embedded within the math of string theory, namely in supersymmetric things (the universe is one such thing). So basically strings may be binary code and whoever designed this program (im speaking as if it were true) put an error code into the fabric of the universe, seemingly to keep things running smooth, ie the laws of physics. Some arguments were put forth about refresh rate and its maximal speed being the speed of light, but apparently we have exceeded the speed of light on two occasions now. Also, i would like to say that there is another finding which is ultra interesting namely that when atoms are frozen they behave immensely different then "normal" atoms, its called exotic states and we still don't know the implications.

I get what your saying about sufi philosophy and illusion but I just can't dig it unless there is evidence, my mind won't allow it. Although i don't believe in ghosts etc i watch videos of that shit all the time, lol, I'm a grown ass man with the mind of a 10 year old. :D

then bostrom the neurophilosopher makes the simulation argument and it is quite convincing but a overwhelming sense of no fuck just came over me and i'm going to cease writing.. now.


Title: Re: 2 questions
Post by: Agnostic007 on April 23, 2012, 06:32:44 AM
1. Yes. I believe there are scientific principles at work when a tree falls, regardless of who is or isn't around.

2. Not at the moment


Title: Re: 2 questions
Post by: LurkerNoMore on April 24, 2012, 09:05:50 AM
1 - Yes
2 - I believe in the Big Bang Theory.  Even if there is a God, where did he/she/it come from?  There was not one before and suddenly there is one now?  That is a Big Bang Theory all in itself.


Title: Re: 2 questions
Post by: haider on April 24, 2012, 12:47:58 PM
basically what he is saying is that there is a very very specific type of error blocking code embedded within the math of string theory, namely in supersymmetric things (the universe is one such thing). So basically strings may be binary code and whoever designed this program (im speaking as if it were true) put an error code into the fabric of the universe, seemingly to keep things running smooth, ie the laws of physics. Some arguments were put forth about refresh rate and its maximal speed being the speed of light, but apparently we have exceeded the speed of light on two occasions now. Also, i would like to say that there is another finding which is ultra interesting namely that when atoms are frozen they behave immensely different then "normal" atoms, its called exotic states and we still don't know the implications.

I get what your saying about sufi philosophy and illusion but I just can't dig it unless there is evidence, my mind won't allow it. Although i don't believe in ghosts etc i watch videos of that shit all the time, lol, I'm a grown ass man with the mind of a 10 year old. :D

then bostrom the neurophilosopher makes the simulation argument and it is quite convincing but a overwhelming sense of no fuck just came over me and i'm going to cease writing.. now.
name the exact location of the bolded peice of information, bro.

I don't understand how there is code found within the math of superstring theory, but your proposal that the error code has been inserted to block loss of information sounds... theistic to say the least  ;D Regarding belief in this or that theory of reality- ofcourse nothing should be accepted without evidence. I don't have much to add to this debate, so i'm glad you ceased writing your run-on sentences and psuedophilosophical garbage.


Title: Re: 2 questions
Post by: garebear on April 25, 2012, 01:34:56 AM
Why did god tell Herman Cain to run for president and why did god tell Bush to invade Iraq?



Title: Re: 2 questions
Post by: LurkerNoMore on April 25, 2012, 06:47:52 AM
Why did God ignore Palins prayers to end the Gulf oil spill?


Title: Re: 2 questions
Post by: Butterbean on April 25, 2012, 07:48:43 AM
1 - Yes
2 - I believe in the Big Bang Theory.  Even if there is a God, where did he/she/it come from?  There was not one before and suddenly there is one now?  That is a Big Bang Theory all in itself.

Many people believe that God is eternal...that He always existed and always will.


Title: Re: 2 questions
Post by: Agnostic007 on April 25, 2012, 08:23:19 AM
Many people believe that God is eternal...that He always existed and always will.

and many believe there was always matter, it always existed, always will..


Title: Re: 2 questions
Post by: Necrosis on April 25, 2012, 02:09:45 PM
name the exact location of the bolded peice of information, bro.

I don't understand how there is code found within the math of superstring theory, but your proposal that the error code has been inserted to block loss of information sounds... theistic to say the least  ;D Regarding belief in this or that theory of reality- ofcourse nothing should be accepted without evidence. I don't have much to add to this debate, so i'm glad you ceased writing your run-on sentences and psuedophilosophical garbage.

http://www.nature.com/news/2011/110922/full/news.2011.554.html
this is the first occasion, it has been replicated although they won't have firm conclusions until all the data is in, apparently it will take a year or more to sift through all of the data. Neutrinos travel faster then light, no one knows how yet, at least to my knowledge.

It sounds theistic but the proposal is that humans are behind this, although it doesn't really answer any questions. It doesn't have god at the end of it like you want :D. i mean god works in mysterious way could be changed to god is a computer nerd.


Title: Re: 2 questions
Post by: LurkerNoMore on May 04, 2012, 06:55:39 AM
Many people believe that God is eternal...that He always existed and always will.


why is it a "he"?  And anything that exists has to originate from something, somewhere.


Title: Re: 2 questions
Post by: avxo on May 06, 2012, 12:30:38 AM
Many people believe that God is eternal...that He always existed and always will.

People used to believe that the sun moved around the earth.
People used to believe that blood-letting helped bring balance to the body and cured disease.
People used to believe that having your picture taken would cause you to lose a part of your soul.

Beliefs are useless when held in the absence of evidence - and evil when held contrary to evidence.

So some people believe "God is eternal." So what? Since when is truth something that's up to a vote? Besides, I'll bet you money that many of those people who believe that can't answer the simple question "what is it that you believe in?" and the inevitable follow-ups "what is this God you speak of?" and "how did you gain this knowledge?"


Title: Re: 2 questions
Post by: Necrosis on May 06, 2012, 06:23:11 AM

why is it a "he"?  And anything that exists has to originate from something, somewhere.

that makes no sense, it creates an infinite regress, no philosopher nor person of intelligence agrees with an uncaused cause.

something has to be eternal, ie always existed.


Title: Re: 2 questions
Post by: haider on May 06, 2012, 11:44:07 AM
http://www.nature.com/news/2011/110922/full/news.2011.554.html
this is the first occasion, it has been replicated although they won't have firm conclusions until all the data is in, apparently it will take a year or more to sift through all of the data. Neutrinos travel faster then light, no one knows how yet, at least to my knowledge.

It sounds theistic but the proposal is that humans are behind this, although it doesn't really answer any questions. It doesn't have god at the end of it like you want :D. i mean god works in mysterious way could be changed to god is a computer nerd.
;D

the neutrino speed has pretty much been explained...it was attributable an error caused by faulty wiring of GPS

Error Undoes Faster-Than-Light Neutrino Results
http://news.sciencemag.org/scienceinsider/2012/02/breaking-news-error-undoes-faster.html (http://news.sciencemag.org/scienceinsider/2012/02/breaking-news-error-undoes-faster.html)

According to sources familiar with the experiment, the 60 nanoseconds discrepancy appears to come from a bad connection between a fiber optic cable that connects to the GPS receiver used to correct the timing of the neutrinos' flight and an electronic card in a computer. After tightening the connection and then measuring the time it takes data to travel the length of the fiber, researchers found that the data arrive 60 nanoseconds earlier than assumed. Since this time is subtracted from the overall time of flight, it appears to explain the early arrival of the neutrinos. New data, however, will be needed to confirm this hypothesis.


Title: Re: 2 questions
Post by: Necrosis on May 06, 2012, 04:41:43 PM
;D

the neutrino speed has pretty much been explained...it was attributable an error caused by faulty wiring of GPS

Error Undoes Faster-Than-Light Neutrino Results
http://news.sciencemag.org/scienceinsider/2012/02/breaking-news-error-undoes-faster.html (http://news.sciencemag.org/scienceinsider/2012/02/breaking-news-error-undoes-faster.html)

According to sources familiar with the experiment, the 60 nanoseconds discrepancy appears to come from a bad connection between a fiber optic cable that connects to the GPS receiver used to correct the timing of the neutrinos' flight and an electronic card in a computer. After tightening the connection and then measuring the time it takes data to travel the length of the fiber, researchers found that the data arrive 60 nanoseconds earlier than assumed. Since this time is subtracted from the overall time of flight, it appears to explain the early arrival of the neutrinos. New data, however, will be needed to confirm this hypothesis.

interesting, I was unaware of this. So you are worth more then a shwarma pita.


Title: Re: 2 questions
Post by: haider on May 07, 2012, 04:01:51 PM
interesting, I was unaware of this. So you are worth more then a shwarma pita.
::)


Title: Re: 2 questions
Post by: Necrosis on May 07, 2012, 05:15:20 PM
::)

stay on topic.


Title: Re: 2 questions
Post by: LurkerNoMore on May 11, 2012, 10:20:14 AM
that makes no sense, it creates an infinite regress, no philosopher nor person of intelligence agrees with an uncaused cause.

something has to be eternal, ie always existed.

Then it had to come from somewhere.  Oxygen on this planet has always existed.  Where does it come from?


Title: Re: 2 questions
Post by: Necrosis on May 11, 2012, 12:02:20 PM
Then it had to come from somewhere.  Oxygen on this planet has always existed.  Where does it come from?


this is not correct, nothing from logic to science demands that something had to be created. Not one avenue leads to that conclusion.


Title: Re: 2 questions
Post by: avxo on May 24, 2012, 01:43:21 AM
Then it had to come from somewhere.  Oxygen on this planet has always existed.  Where does it come from?

(http://images.nonexiste.net/img/irc/2011/01/06/Tide-goes-in-tide-goes-out-You-cant-explain-that.jpg)


Title: Re: 2 questions
Post by: Butterbean on May 24, 2012, 02:03:05 PM

why is it a "he"?  And anything that exists has to originate from something, somewhere.


Don't agree w/anything that exists has to orignate from something, somewhere.

As for God being a "he"....it's my understanding that usually God is referred to in the bible w/a masculine word so that's why most people refer to Him as a "he."  He is also referred to as "Father" in the Bible.  I had a gal tell me that the word(s) referring to God in the Bible most often mean "parent," but in a brief study, I don't think that is true. God is actually Spirit, so it's not like he exactly is a man, scratching himself while watching TV.



Title: Re: 2 questions
Post by: Butterbean on May 24, 2012, 02:12:03 PM
People used to believe that the sun moved around the earth.
People used to believe that blood-letting helped bring balance to the body and cured disease.
People used to believe that having your picture taken would cause you to lose a part of your soul.

Beliefs are useless when held in the absence of evidence - and evil when held contrary to evidence.

So some people believe "God is eternal." So what? Since when is truth something that's up to a vote? Besides, I'll bet you money that many of those people who believe that can't answer the simple question "what is it that you believe in?" and the inevitable follow-ups "what is this God you speak of?" and "how did you gain this knowledge?"



Not sure what you mean when is truth something that's up to a vote?

Are you saying people don't vote for representatives that they believe hold their concepts of truth (ie: a baby in the womb is a person or a mass of tissue etc)?

Or are you saying that you believe God is not eternal so that is "truth?"  If you don't want to believe God is eternal, that's up to you.  I was just answering someone's question by telling him some people do believe God is eternal. 


Title: Re: 2 questions
Post by: avxo on May 24, 2012, 03:22:07 PM
Not sure what you mean when is truth something that's up to a vote?

I mean that the truth is the truth. Even if six billion people believed that unicorns were real, it still wouldn't make unicorns real. Belief has no bearing on reality.


Are you saying people don't vote for representatives that they believe hold their concepts of truth (ie: a baby in the womb is a person or a mass of tissue etc)?

People can (and do) vote using whatever criteria they feel are appropriate; often time that's no criteria at all! I don't particularly care about that, although I personally thing that it's stupid.


Or are you saying that you believe God is not eternal so that is "truth?"  If you don't want to believe God is eternal, that's up to you.  I was just answering someone's question by telling him some people do believe God is eternal.

You said that "Many people believe that God is eternal...that He always existed and always will." That's what I was answering by pointing out that the number of people who believe that is irrelevant because their beliefs, no matter how sincere and fervently held, don't alter reality. That is, if the Christian deity doesn't exist (and I don't believe it does, but that's irrelevant) no amount of believers will cause it to magically pop into existence.


Title: Re: 2 questions
Post by: Butterbean on May 25, 2012, 07:26:50 AM
I mean that the truth is the truth. Even if six billion people believed that unicorns were real, it still wouldn't make unicorns real. Belief has no bearing on reality.


People can (and do) vote using whatever criteria they feel are appropriate; often time that's no criteria at all! I don't particularly care about that, although I personally thing that it's stupid.


You said that "Many people believe that God is eternal...that He always existed and always will." That's what I was answering by pointing out that the number of people who believe that is irrelevant because their beliefs, no matter how sincere and fervently held, don't alter reality. That is, if the Christian deity doesn't exist (and I don't believe it does, but that's irrelevant) no amount of believers will cause it to magically pop into existence.
I agree w/all of this.

But I also believe that God is real and Eternal.  Just to clarify ...I realize that me believing it doesn't "make" it true....but I believe it's true :)


Title: Re: 2 questions
Post by: OzmO on May 25, 2012, 07:30:02 AM
The tree doesn't make a sound unless we hear it.


Title: Re: 2 questions
Post by: Butterbean on May 25, 2012, 07:34:02 AM
The tree doesn't make a sound unless we hear it.

By "we" do you mean humans?


Title: Re: 2 questions
Post by: OzmO on May 25, 2012, 07:41:34 AM
By "we" do you mean humans?

Yeah


Title: Re: 2 questions
Post by: avxo on May 25, 2012, 07:44:50 AM
The tree doesn't make a sound unless we hear it.

Now that is an interesting topic of discussion. Whether this statement is true or not would, ultimately, hinge on how exactly one defines "sound"? In other words, is it the actual vibrations that travel through the air? Or is it the interaction of those vibrations with one's tympanic membrane?


Title: Re: 2 questions
Post by: DKlent on June 26, 2012, 11:02:34 AM
Yes

No


Title: Re: 2 questions
Post by: Butterbean on June 26, 2012, 03:04:53 PM
Yeah

What if an animal heard it?


Title: Re: 2 questions
Post by: Necrosis on June 29, 2012, 07:17:17 AM
What if an animal heard it?

animals dont have souls ::)


Title: Re: 2 questions
Post by: Butterbean on June 29, 2012, 07:24:05 AM
animals dont have souls ::)

Are you saying if an animal hears it, but not a human... it hasn't made a noise?


Title: Re: 2 questions
Post by: DKlent on June 29, 2012, 05:01:17 PM
animals dont have souls ::)

Humans included...


Title: Re: 2 questions
Post by: Necrosis on June 30, 2012, 05:22:46 AM
Are you saying if an animal hears it, but not a human... it hasn't made a noise?

I'm arsing around stella old girl.


Title: Re: 2 questions
Post by: Shockwave on June 30, 2012, 04:58:06 PM
and many believe there was always matter, it always existed, always will..
So maybe God = matter?  :o


Title: Re: 2 questions
Post by: The Scott on July 01, 2012, 07:55:50 AM
In your belief/opinion:


1.  If a tree falls in the forest and no one is around to hear it, does it make a sound?

2.  Do you believe in a Spiritual God and/or a Spirit World?


To the first, yes.  Why?  For the same reason if you were to walk in to a room but no one was there to see you, you would still be present.

To the second, also yes.  Why?  One need not see some one to know they exist.  For example, some people have read the New Testament and have come to believe that Christ exists.  They have only read His words but never have they seen him and still, they believe.  Here on a forum such as this and many others on the net, we can read the words of many, many different people.  More than not, we shall never meet these folks and yet through their words we know that they exist.

As is my way, I am not come here to argue but simply to state what I hold true as best I can.  Hopefully my words will resonate with those that choose to read them. If they do, then they will remain written not only here, but upon them as well.  If not?  No problem. 


Title: Re: 2 questions
Post by: Agnostic007 on July 01, 2012, 08:15:50 AM
To the first, yes.  Why?  For the same reason if you were to walk in to a room but no one was there to see you, you would still be present.

To the second, also yes.  Why?  One need not see some one to know they exist.  For example, some people have read the New Testament and have come to believe that Christ exists.  They have only read His words but never have they seen him and still, they believe.  Here on a forum such as this and many others on the net, we can read the words of many, many different people.  More than not, we shall never meet these folks and yet through their words we know that they exist.

As is my way, I am not come here to argue but simply to state what I hold true as best I can.  Hopefully my words will resonate with those that choose to read them. If they do, then they will remain written not only here, but upon them as well.  If not?  No problem. 

It's apples and oranges on your second point. If my observation resonates with you, fine, if not, may you find peace and prosper..


Title: Re: 2 questions
Post by: Butterbean on July 01, 2012, 08:16:43 AM
I'm arsing around stella old girl.

Ahhh! :)


To the first, yes.  Why?  For the same reason if you were to walk in to a room but no one was there to see you, you would still be present.

To the second, also yes.  Why?  One need not see some one to know they exist.  For example, some people have read the New Testament and have come to believe that Christ exists.  They have only read His words but never have they seen him and still, they believe.  Here on a forum such as this and many others on the net, we can read the words of many, many different people.  More than not, we shall never meet these folks and yet through their words we know that they exist.

As is my way, I am not come here to argue but simply to state what I hold true as best I can.  Hopefully my words will resonate with those that choose to read them. If they do, then they will remain written not only here, but upon them as well.  If not?  No problem. 

Glad you are here and look forward to reading your posts!


Title: Re: 2 questions
Post by: The Scott on July 01, 2012, 10:55:45 AM
It's apples and oranges on your second point. If my observation resonates with you, fine, if not, may you find peace and prosper..

That it is, my friend.  Both are made to be taken in and "digested", albeit in this case mentally if you will.  Ultimately each person will choose that which they find more palatable, easier to digest/believe in.  It is what it is and that is the way of the world.

I tend to look at both sides of the coin and as with all such matters, the choice is up to the individual.  It harms no one that I believe in Christ, just as it harms no one if another chooses not to. 

I appreciate your blessing and wish the same for you and yours.


Title: Re: 2 questions
Post by: The Scott on July 01, 2012, 10:56:59 AM
Ahhh! :)


Glad you are here and look forward to reading your posts!

Thanks.  I shall try not to make a fool of my self, but be aware that it does occur.   ;D