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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: AlphaMaleDawg on March 27, 2012, 01:36:19 PM
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Gentlemen,
So as some of you know, for the past 6 months, I have run test prop, tren ace, proviron, and HGH. I gradually ramped up the doses over time and ended with 700mg per week of both prop and tren, 25mg ED of proviron, and 5iu HGH ED. Also took caber .25mg every 3 days.
My diet has been a mix of what you would consider "clean" and "dirty" food. I never eat candy, desserts, or chips though.
Here were the abnormalities this time around:
ALKALINE PHOSPHATASE (L) 37 40-150
AST (H) 57 5-34 (I went on spring break a week before my blood test, where I drank alcohol in heavy heavy amounts which might be the main culprit for this. Haven't drank since and I never make that a habit.)
LDH (H) 260 125-243
TIBC (H) 493 261-478
HDL CHOLESTEROL (L) 17 >40
LDL CHOLESTEROL (H) 163 <130
CHOL/HDL RATIO (H) 11.5 <5.00
HEMOGLOBIN (H) 17.7 13.5-17.5
RDW 16.7% 11.5-14.5
On a side note, my total cholesterol was 195 on a <200 scale.
I'm a little concerned as these are the worst results I've had through blood work. I guess it's not surprising, but it's still a little worrisome.
Which of these things do I really need to worry about and fix? Are cholesterol supps really worth it? Like CoQ or hawthorne berry? I am reluctant to take niacin because the flush problems people describe sound really annoying.
My thoughts were to cruise on test e 300mg and HGH 3-5iu ED. Should I drop proviron too? I was only taking it for penile reasons.
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PIP :)
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Are you currently taking any supplements such as fish oil, etc? Your LDL is pretty low.
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Are you currently taking any supplements such as fish oil, etc? Your LDL is pretty low.
yea 6 fish oil caps per day (60mg). that's about it besides multivitamins
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steroids are not for long run buddy, cut your dosages, my friend was doing exactly the same as you until heartattack.
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PIP dibs on extra gear, gh, and girlfriend.
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Do not worry too much, alphamaledwarf, you will live...
says Dr Dutch
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PIP dibs on extra gear, gh, and girlfriend.
Don't worry bud, I'll let you have all three in that case
Do not worry too much, alphamaledwarf, you will live...
says Dr Dutch
5'10 is a dwarf? Dam you are hard to please
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You'll be fine. Cut the alcohol, though.
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Up the dosage of everything to off set the counts that are low......
Really are you serious? You are asking these questions during your cycle and after the blood work tests? You have got no clue what the hell you are doing and should have never started to begin with.
Go back to moms basement and your stacks of porn mags before you hurt yourself or worse yet kill yourself using these chemicals.
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yea 6 fish oil caps per day (60mg). that's about it besides multivitamins
60mg? That's negligible.
If you're lifting seriously, you should be taking between 6 to 9 grams.
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I get myself tested on a monthly basis. Been on cycle for 7 months - moderate dosages. Started with Test (250mg every 8-10 days then 400mg every 4/5 day), Eq (500-600mg weekly), Dbol (twice 20-40mg) then into the 5th month added Tren E @200mg every 7 day (now every 4/5th day)... now dropped the Eq to lower hematocrit levels. I play around with dosages according to feeling and seeing if something is abnormal in the blood work.
While i was on the creatine monohydrate - everything was off -- now everything within normal deviation. The BP is better than perfect, before average was low 140s systolic and diastolic high 80s on creatine. The cholesterol was only a little elevated - specialist said nothing out of the ordinary. My diet is totally vegetarian (no meat, fish, eggs occasionally) - so i hardly get any saturated or mono-saturated fats. Furthermore, since adding Tren also added T3, Clen, Selegiline, & Arimidex -dropped 20lb+ (from high 240s to low-mid 220s). The heart at all times stays in the range of 100-112 beats per minute. Normally walking around 79-83 beats per minute & at rest low 60s.
I would just cruise for 8-12 weeks on test (GH). Everything should normalize. That's what i plan on doing after 6 months on low test and Tren E. Total time on will be 12 months.
What's your BP like?
High BP is often more worrisome than everything else -especially on Tren. High BP's not called the silent killer for nothing. Furthermore, know your family history i.e. heart disease, diabetes. Specialist requested that i lower the hematocrit since there is diabetes and heart disease that runs in the family on my dads side.
Before i forget my eGFR & creatinine #'s were way off while on creatine. Reports indicated kidney disease if tests confirm. Then tests revealed nothing - it was due to being very muscular and training heavily, the reports indicated. I had the lungs, liver, kidneys, and heart checked thoroughly. Nevertheless, i dropped creatine and even all vitamins, taurine, potassium, magnesium, fish oils, to cleanse the body - if that means anything.
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no one gives a fuck about your blood work dude...it's impossible to get injured through steroid abuse by itself.
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60mg? That's negligible.
If you're lifting seriously, you should be taking between 6 to 9 grams.
I meant to say 6 caps = 6g which is what I've been doing every day for almost 8 years.
I get myself tested on a monthly basis. Been on cycle for 7 months - moderate dosages. Started with Test (250mg every 8-10 days then 400mg every 4/5 day), Eq (500-600mg weekly), Dbol (twice 20-40mg) then into the 5th month added Tren E @200mg every 7 day (now every 4/5th day)... now dropped the Eq to lower hematocrit levels. I play around with dosages according to feeling and seeing if something is abnormal in the blood work.
While i was on the creatine monohydrate - everything was off -- now everything within normal deviation. The BP is better than perfect, before average was low 140s systolic and diastolic high 80s on creatine. The cholesterol was only a little elevated - specialist said nothing out of the ordinary. My diet is totally vegetarian (no meat, fish, eggs occasionally) - so i hardly get any saturated or mono-saturated fats. Furthermore, since adding Tren also added T3, Clen, Selegiline, & Arimidex -dropped 20lb+ (from high 240s to low-mid 220s). The heart at all times stays in the range of 100-112 beats per minute. Normally walking around 79-83 beats per minute & at rest low 60s.
I would just cruise for 8-12 weeks on test (GH). Everything should normalize. That's what i plan on doing after 6 months on low test and Tren E. Total time on will be 12 months.
What's your BP like?
High BP is often more worrisome than everything else -especially on Tren. It's not called the silent killer for nothing. Furthermore, know your family history i.e. heart disease, diabetes. Specialist requested that i lower the hematocrit since there is diabetes and heart disease that runs in the family on my dads side.
Before i forget my eGFR & creatinine #'s were way off while on creatine. Reports indicated kidney disease if tests confirm. Then tests revealed nothing - it was due to being very muscular and training heavily, the reports indicated. I had the lungs, liver, kidneys, and heart checked thoroughly. Nevertheless, i dropped creatine and even all vitamins, taurine, potassium, magnesium, fish oils, to cleanse the body - if that means anything.
well thanks for a nice long serious post. Much appreciated.
My blood pressure was totally normal. The doc said it was 120 so tren has no effect on my BP. SD did when I ran that in the past though.
I haven't been on creatine at all for most of the past year. I think I will cruise for 8-12 weeks like you said before hitting it again. I wish bloodwork could tell us the condition of our hearts though
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just cruise man what did you expect? tren at 700 a week will wreak havoc on your bw and anybody who says otherwise is in lala land. Take a nice 3 months of a low dose eat clean and do cardio and all your values will go back to normal. Iv heard first hand horror stories of top am's in canada who did 8-9 month preps spending 20000$ on gh alone and when the doctor saw their blood work they had no idea how they weren't already dead. 2-3 months later they were all back to normal. you wont lose all your gains man you will actually have better gains when you restart a good dose
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just cruise man what did you expect? tren at 700 a week will wreak havoc on your bw and anybody who says otherwise is in lala land. Take a nice 3 months of a low dose eat clean and do cardio and all your values will go back to normal. Iv heard first hand horror stories of top am's in canada who did 8-9 month preps spending 20000$ on gh alone and when the doctor saw their blood work they had no idea how they weren't already dead. 2-3 months later they were all back to normal. you wont lose all your gains man you will actually have better gains when you restart a good dose
just really wanted to know if OTC supps were worth it as far as bringing things up to normal went. Of course I am going to cruise. I already put all my shit away besides my syringes and vials of test e
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Organic Flax seed oil (not powder - i mix that with my oatmeal + wheat germ) combined with Fish oil will really help with your cholesterol. Use both consistently and regularly.
Niacin - 1st day i used it at 1500mg my body temp must have went up 3-4 degrees. I burned up in place and scratched myself for a good half hour while being red as a tomato. After that the itchiness went away, but the body temp would always rise. Nevertheless, as far as research indicates it is known to work, but at higher dosages around 1-2 grams per day. If you are comfortable go with the flush variety - that's whats known to work.
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When on gear what I learned to keep in check more then anything is your lipid values. Niacin at 2g/day and fish oils at 6-9g/day will help greatly. I have also heard 2-3g vitamin c will help also. OTC supps will help greatly try them out. I would say cruise for a couple months and run those support supps then get checked up again. Best of luck bro.
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and I thought steroids were harmless
holy shit thats some terrible blood work
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garlic fish oil coq10 niacin all help. was on test deca for 3 months and my bw came back normal during the cycle, dunno if it was the supps but I feel better taking them
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Gentlemen,
So as some of you know, for the past 6 months, I have run test prop, tren ace, proviron, and HGH. I gradually ramped up the doses over time and ended with 700mg per week of both prop and tren, 25mg ED of proviron, and 5iu HGH ED. Also took caber .25mg every 3 days.
My diet has been a mix of what you would consider "clean" and "dirty" food. I never eat candy, desserts, or chips though.
Here were the abnormalities this time around:
ALKALINE PHOSPHATASE (L) 37 40-150
AST (H) 57 5-34 (I went on spring break a week before my blood test, where I drank alcohol in heavy heavy amounts which might be the main culprit for this. Haven't drank since and I never make that a habit.)
LDH (H) 260 125-243
TIBC (H) 493 261-478
HDL CHOLESTEROL (L) 17 >40
LDL CHOLESTEROL (H) 163 <130
CHOL/HDL RATIO (H) 11.5 <5.00
HEMOGLOBIN (H) 17.7 13.5-17.5
RDW 16.7% 11.5-14.5
On a side note, my total cholesterol was 195 on a <200 scale.
I'm a little concerned as these are the worst results I've had through blood work. I guess it's not surprising, but it's still a little worrisome.
Which of these things do I really need to worry about and fix? Are cholesterol supps really worth it? Like CoQ or hawthorne berry? I am reluctant to take niacin because the flush problems people describe sound really annoying.
My thoughts were to cruise on test e 300mg and HGH 3-5iu ED. Should I drop proviron too? I was only taking it for penile reasons.
curious if you got your test and e2 levels checked too ? care to post?
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Bunch of Goobledy-Gock numbers.
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fish oil at least 3g and 300mg coq10 ed. resveratrol. grape seed extract. as many niacin flush type tabs a day as u can take. this will help
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Gentlemen,
So as some of you know, for the past 6 months, I have run test prop, tren ace, proviron, and HGH. I gradually ramped up the doses over time and ended with 700mg per week of both prop and tren, 25mg ED of proviron, and 5iu HGH ED. Also took caber .25mg every 3 days.
My diet has been a mix of what you would consider "clean" and "dirty" food. I never eat candy, desserts, or chips though.
Here were the abnormalities this time around:
ALKALINE PHOSPHATASE (L) 37 40-150
AST (H) 57 5-34 (I went on spring break a week before my blood test, where I drank alcohol in heavy heavy amounts which might be the main culprit for this. Haven't drank since and I never make that a habit.)
LDH (H) 260 125-243
TIBC (H) 493 261-478
HDL CHOLESTEROL (L) 17 >40
LDL CHOLESTEROL (H) 163 <130
CHOL/HDL RATIO (H) 11.5 <5.00
HEMOGLOBIN (H) 17.7 13.5-17.5
RDW 16.7% 11.5-14.5
On a side note, my total cholesterol was 195 on a <200 scale.
I'm a little concerned as these are the worst results I've had through blood work. I guess it's not surprising, but it's still a little worrisome.
Which of these things do I really need to worry about and fix? Are cholesterol supps really worth it? Like CoQ or hawthorne berry? I am reluctant to take niacin because the flush problems people describe sound really annoying.
My thoughts were to cruise on test e 300mg and HGH 3-5iu ED. Should I drop proviron too? I was only taking it for penile reasons.
You have the bloodwork of someone abusing orals heavily yet you seem to not be taking them. These are actually perplexing results. Have you ever used c17 orals?
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fish oil at least 3g and 300mg coq10 ed. resveratrol. grape seed extract. as many niacin flush type tabs a day as u can take. this will help
This is correct. Mainly the niacin.
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liver enzymes slightly up, but not terribly. I would start Niacin to raise HDL. LDL is a little high too. What is the creatinine, which can be found on chemistry part of the panel. It would give an idea if kidney function is ok.
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Kidneys- Even if your gfr is normal or slightly declined over time it will start to drop more and more-and when that gets low your fucked
So watch for early signs of bad kidney fuction
HIGH Creatinine-
HIGH urea-
watch your GFR(what % your kidneys are functioning at
Also you should always do a swab test or even better--24 urin test to check for protein-blood or sugar in your urin
BAD LIVER
HIGH-liver enzymes
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cholesterol levels should be kept normal
BLOOD PRESURE KEPT NORMAL
Hemotology results should be normal
HEMOGLOBIN ECT
these are SOME of the common things to watch for when on gear or bodybuilding related protocal supplements also when taking in high protein and normal supplements --- diff creatinines ect
Hope this helps
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Gentlemen,
So as some of you know, for the past 6 months, I have run test prop, tren ace, proviron, and HGH. I gradually ramped up the doses over time and ended with 700mg per week of both prop and tren, 25mg ED of proviron, and 5iu HGH ED. Also took caber .25mg every 3 days.
My diet has been a mix of what you would consider "clean" and "dirty" food. I never eat candy, desserts, or chips though.
Here were the abnormalities this time around:
ALKALINE PHOSPHATASE (L) 37 40-150
AST (H) 57 5-34 (I went on spring break a week before my blood test, where I drank alcohol in heavy heavy amounts which might be the main culprit for this. Haven't drank since and I never make that a habit.)
LDH (H) 260 125-243
TIBC (H) 493 261-478
HDL CHOLESTEROL (L) 17 >40
LDL CHOLESTEROL (H) 163 <130
CHOL/HDL RATIO (H) 11.5 <5.00
HEMOGLOBIN (H) 17.7 13.5-17.5
RDW 16.7% 11.5-14.5
On a side note, my total cholesterol was 195 on a <200 scale.
I'm a little concerned as these are the worst results I've had through blood work. I guess it's not surprising, but it's still a little worrisome.
Which of these things do I really need to worry about and fix? Are cholesterol supps really worth it? Like CoQ or hawthorne berry? I am reluctant to take niacin because the flush problems people describe sound really annoying.
My thoughts were to cruise on test e 300mg and HGH 3-5iu ED. Should I drop proviron too? I was only taking it for penile reasons.
One thing you may want to consider is your liver enzymes may have been "shown" to be elevated due to muscle tissue damage since you lift weights. I had bloodwork done and mine were elevated. After much research, I learned that people who lift weights for hypertrophy can "show" elevated liver enzymes in basic ALT/AST tests. I had further testing done and my liver was fine. I have a family member that experienced the same thing. Search online, you will find more.
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funny thread...
we have a doctor here.... dr.Dutch.... he says to Alphamaledawg.. DO NOT WORRY YOU'LL LIVE....!!
yet all these experts here talking about his labtests like they are experts lol!!!
most of you guys are being way to paranoid.... lol...!!!
cholesterol levels do not mean everything there is far more to the story, in fact... latest research shows it's not cholesterol directly that causes heartdisease... it's general inflamation of the arteries... the cholestrerol gets stuck in the lesions.... so in fact someone with low cholesterol can get in trouble as well.... just eat healthy and do cardio , and most of the people will be fine....it's mostly GENETIC anyway....
like i always say... most dudes from the 70's are still doing fine... they ABUSED the shit out of orals.... lol...
orals are known to wreck havoc on cholesterol levels and are supposed to melt livers lol....
relax!!!
stress causes all kinds of problems as well you know ;)
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funny thread...
we have a doctor here.... dr.Dutch.... he says to Alphamaledawg.. DO NOT WORRY YOU'LL LIVE....!!
yet all these experts here talking about his labtests like they are experts lol!!!
most of you guys are being way to paranoid.... lol...!!!
cholesterol levels do not mean everything there is far more to the story, in fact... latest research shows it's not cholesterol directly that causes heartdisease... it's general inflamation of the arteries... the cholestrerol gets stuck in the lesions.... so in fact someone with low cholesterol can get in trouble as well.... just eat healthy and do cardio , and most of the people will be fine....it's mostly GENETIC anyway....
like i always say... most dudes from the 70's are still doing fine... they ABUSED the shit out of orals.... lol...
orals are known to wreck havoc on cholesterol levels and are supposed to melt livers lol....
relax!!!
stress causes all kinds of problems as well you know ;)
didnt know he was actually a doctor lol....good to know!
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Thanks for the responses.
1) To the guy that asked about my test levels, it doesn't measure the exact amount beyond 1500 because they are too high.
2) I'm not worried about my liver. That will be fine within a week.
3) My creatinine and BUN were in the normal range.
4) It appears my cholesterol is really the main concern here
5) Dutch is actually a doctor? wtf?
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5'10 is a dwarf? Dam you are hard to please
Thats what you got from his post?... :-\ Read between the lines ace.....he said you'll live!...and hes an md for fuck sake... ;)
*edit* i didnt read the second page so OP1980 already said what i did...lol
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didnt know he was actually a doctor lol....good to know!
new to me as well - I think his last post might have been taken out of context - he just says You Life - Dr.Dutch... doesn't mean he's a Dr.
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new to me as well - I think his last post might have been taken out of context - he just says You Life - Dr.Dutch... doesn't mean he's a Dr.
I first thought he was an vetianaryan but hes an MD...ask him...he'll tell ya!.... ;D
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Thanks for the responses.
1) To the guy that asked about my test levels, it doesn't measure the exact amount beyond 1500 because they are too high.
2) I'm not worried about my liver. That will be fine within a week.
3) My creatinine and BUN were in the normal range.
4) It appears my cholesterol is really the main concern here
5) Dutch is actually a doctor? wtf?
1. You should always paint a test strip to see how the finished product will look before applying in large amounts.
2. Liver Pate can be great on crackers.
3. Creatine is worthless. The best Buns are Martin`s Potato Rolls or you can bake your own.
4. The link between cholesterol and heart disease is somewhat tenuous, moreover your steroiding is going to kill you as is your diet of pointless and excessive protein.
5. Dutch are an ethnic group related to the Netherlands.
I hope this helps. (I`m sure it won`t)
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Linseed finish on it or....?
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Linseed finish on it or....?
Tung Oil is best but Linseed is not bad either. You have to let them dry and harden and it can take a week.
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1. You should always paint a test strip to see how the finished product will look before applying in large amounts.
2. Liver Pate can be great on crackers.
3. Creatine is worthless. The best Buns are Martin`s Potato Rolls or you can bake your own.
4. The link between cholesterol and heart disease is somewhat tenuous, moreover your steroiding is going to kill you as is your diet of pointless and excessive protein.
5. Dutch are an ethnic group related to the Netherlands.
I hope this helps. (I`m sure it won`t)
ethnic group?? lol....
dutch means something/someone from or related to the Netherlands... ie: a person, language, artwork whatever...
it's used just like the word "american" get it???? not really an ethnic thing at all....
make better use of the wiki pages next time... ok?? ;)
agreed on the liver pate though.... ;D ;D
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Tung Oil is best but Linseed is not bad either. You have to let them dry and harden and it can take a week.
I take it you got my joke :D
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ethnic group?? lol....
dutch means something/someone from or related to the Netherlands... ie: a person, language, artwork whatever...
it's used just like the word "american" get it???? not really an ethnic thing at all....
make better use of the wiki pages next time... ok?? ;)
agreed on the liver pate though.... ;D ;D
I started to type about my Dutch Oven, but figured most of you don`t know that is so I didn`t bother.
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I started to type about my Dutch Oven, but figured most of you don`t know that is so I didn`t bother.
LOL
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You can fix that cholesterol issue with african mango seed powder. It carries bile acids out of your body which forces your body to make more, which takes cholesterol to do. Your body makes bile acid in the liver by oxidation of cholesterol. Increasing the bile acid cycle also has the benefit of supporting micellae growth which greatly improves processing of dietary fat and other nutrient absorption. See chart at this link http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1168905/table/T3/ (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1168905/table/T3/) It delays stomach emptying which allows more complete digestion, resulting in greater bioavailability of proteins also.
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and yes dr Dutch is a doc.....
don't you guys remember he gave a lot of people a reality check on the bp thread??/
people with 150/80 thought they were going to die, and some bro's with their bro science only made it worse lol!!!
as long as you bp is not constantly like 170/110 or something like that, lol! .... do not stress to much..
for a heavy muscular bb 150/80 is not that high....and usually when measuring you are a little stressed so you wil see like a 10% raise anyway....
and get your water retention under control and bp will be fine most of the time....
other things to look for is thickening of blood... especially with eq and oxy.... as that can raise bp as well....
but get these things under control and you will be fine...
lot of unnecessary panic here at getbig sometimes....
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You can fix that cholesterol issue with african mango seed powder. It carries bile acids out of your body which forces your body to make more, which takes cholesterol to do. Your body makes bile acid in the liver by oxidation of cholesterol. Increasing the bile acid cycle also has the benefit of supporting micellae growth which greatly improves processing of dietary fat and other nutrient absorption. See chart at this link http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1168905/table/T3/ (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1168905/table/T3/) It delays stomach emptying which allows more complete digestion, resulting in greater bioavailability of proteins also.
Have you fixed your obesity problem yet?
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Total cholesterol reading isn't enough, it's the ratios. Having a low HDL is really bad and aerobic exercise has shown to make it higher. The problem with blood pressure that's even a little over is that for a bodybuilder it's a problem. Imagine the spike in blood pressure when you leg press, deadlift or just grinding out that final rep. I have heard that creatine can give bad kidney tests but I'm not sure about that.
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I first thought he was an vetianaryan but hes an MD...ask him...he'll tell ya!.... ;D
lol the fuck is a medical doctor doing on Getbig.... Ohhhhh now I get it
;D
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Total cholesterol reading isn't enough, it's the ratios. Having a low HDL is really bad and aerobic exercise has shown to make it higher. The problem with blood pressure that's even a little over is that for a bodybuilder it's a problem. Imagine the spike in blood pressure when you leg press, deadlift or just grinding out that final rep. I have heard that creatine can give bad kidney tests but I'm not sure about that.
pro's only train with dumb ass heavy weights for photoshoots lol... so that will not be a problem.... ;D ;D
and bp is heavily related to water retention.... not always but in most cases.... that or thick blood.... get that dealt with and you are fine...
and yes creatine CAN be very bad for kidneys.... i forgot but there were cases of people pissing out there muscles litterally.... i am sure someone can google it.....
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Have you fixed your obesity problem yet?
No, i still hate obese people. I despise their lack of discipline and self control. Have you fixed your shitty genetics yet?
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pro's only train with dumb ass heavy weights for photoshoots lol... so that will not be a problem.... ;D ;D
and bp is heavily related to water retention.... not always but in most cases.... that or thick blood.... get that dealt with and you are fine...
and yes creatine CAN be very bad for kidneys.... i forgot but there were cases of people pissing out there muscles litterally.... i am sure someone can google it.....
Please give me one study that shows creatine is bad for your kidneys...besides bro science.
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lol the fuck is a medical doctor doing on Getbig.... Ohhhhh now I get it
;D
He wants to learn from the best!!..... :D
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i did bloodwork after coming off an average cycle and my cholesterol was alittle off, my hdl was alittle low and my ldl alittle high. i went back 3 months later and my cholesterol was normal, my hdl and ldl were cool. now i always wait at least 2 months after i come off before doing bloodwork. also my blood pressure returned to normal once i was off for a coup[le months also, but that was prolly due to me dropping bodyfat and overall bodyweight trying to getting leaner.
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my blood pressure stays at almost exactly 120/80 as long I don't use oral. Checked it today 121/81 at 246lbs
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to the guys yapping about blood pressure and creatine: my bp is 120/80 and I haven't used creatine in the last 6 months so those have nothing to do with my bloodwork results
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Gentlemen,
So as some of you know, for the past 6 months, I have run test prop, tren ace, proviron, and HGH. I gradually ramped up the doses over time and ended with 700mg per week of both prop and tren, 25mg ED of proviron, and 5iu HGH ED. Also took caber .25mg every 3 days.
My diet has been a mix of what you would consider "clean" and "dirty" food. I never eat candy, desserts, or chips though.
Here were the abnormalities this time around:
ALKALINE PHOSPHATASE (L) 37 40-150
AST (H) 57 5-34 (I went on spring break a week before my blood test, where I drank alcohol in heavy heavy amounts which might be the main culprit for this. Haven't drank since and I never make that a habit.)
LDH (H) 260 125-243
TIBC (H) 493 261-478
HDL CHOLESTEROL (L) 17 >40
LDL CHOLESTEROL (H) 163 <130
CHOL/HDL RATIO (H) 11.5 <5.00
HEMOGLOBIN (H) 17.7 13.5-17.5
RDW 16.7% 11.5-14.5
On a side note, my total cholesterol was 195 on a <200 scale.
I'm a little concerned as these are the worst results I've had through blood work. I guess it's not surprising, but it's still a little worrisome.
Which of these things do I really need to worry about and fix? Are cholesterol supps really worth it? Like CoQ or hawthorne berry? I am reluctant to take niacin because the flush problems people describe sound really annoying.
My thoughts were to cruise on test e 300mg and HGH 3-5iu ED. Should I drop proviron too? I was only taking it for penile reasons.
Your plasma apolipoprotein profile is really bad. Think an obese 55 year-old who has been eating bacon and cheeseburgers every day since adolescence.
My advice: stop all the drugs right now because big muscles do not compensate the pain of a myocardial infarction. They really don't. An infarction is the worst pain someone can experience, worse than third degree burns and comparable to asphyxia and anaphylatic shock.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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Your plasma apolipoprotein profile is really bad. Think an obese 55 year-old who has been eating bacon and cheeseburgers every day since adolescence.
My advice: stop all the drugs right now because big muscles do not compensate the pain of a myocardial infarction. They really don't. An infarction is the worst pain someone can experience, worse than third degree burns and comparable to asphyxia and anaphylatic shock.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
Lies all lies, die for the plastic trophy. Bodybuilding is healthy :o
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Bottom line is you are a drug addict. Best you can do is come to terms with it and lower the dose moving forward. I doubt you'll be able to quit cold turkey (if ever) so I'd just run like 200-300mg of test a week from here on out. At least you look good in your PlentyofFish picture.......right?
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just really wanted to know if OTC supps were worth it as far as bringing things up to normal went. Of course I am going to cruise. I already put all my shit away besides my syringes and vials of test e
Things that would most likely bring your bloodwork to a good point:
Cruise test gh proviron for at least 2 months
Lots of hawthorne berry
Saw palmetto for prostate
Lots of fish oil, consider upping your dose
Milkt thistle
Niacin ***
NAC
Good multivitamin
Watch bad cholesterol in diet, contrary to what the idiots on here say, dietary cholesterol will affect blood cholesterol. I was told this by my friend in med school
Curcumin (optional)
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and the bro science goes on ... and on... and on..... ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)
where is dr dutch when we need him....
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my opinion is this you have just got off a 6months tren run it will slowly return to normal after you go to 300-400mg test and cruise. You was on the tren when you had blood drawn ? if you just got off or are still on this is to be expected. Also a few drinks might not wreck liver values but getting drunk for several days will real bad.
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I have had several of blood tests after binge partying several times and my liver values were horrible but returned to normal in a week or so.
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Gentlemen,
So as some of you know, for the past 6 months, I have run test prop, tren ace, proviron, and HGH. I gradually ramped up the doses over time and ended with 700mg per week of both prop and tren, 25mg ED of proviron, and 5iu HGH ED. Also took caber .25mg every 3 days.
My diet has been a mix of what you would consider "clean" and "dirty" food. I never eat candy, desserts, or chips though.
Here were the abnormalities this time around:
ALKALINE PHOSPHATASE (L) 37 40-150
AST (H) 57 5-34 (I went on spring break a week before my blood test, where I drank alcohol in heavy heavy amounts which might be the main culprit for this. Haven't drank since and I never make that a habit.)
LDH (H) 260 125-243
TIBC (H) 493 261-478
HDL CHOLESTEROL (L) 17 >40
LDL CHOLESTEROL (H) 163 <130
CHOL/HDL RATIO (H) 11.5 <5.00
HEMOGLOBIN (H) 17.7 13.5-17.5
RDW 16.7% 11.5-14.5
On a side note, my total cholesterol was 195 on a <200 scale.
I'm a little concerned as these are the worst results I've had through blood work. I guess it's not surprising, but it's still a little worrisome.
Which of these things do I really need to worry about and fix? Are cholesterol supps really worth it? Like CoQ or hawthorne berry? I am reluctant to take niacin because the flush problems people describe sound really annoying.
My thoughts were to cruise on test e 300mg and HGH 3-5iu ED. Should I drop proviron too? I was only taking it for penile reasons.
niacin flush is a joke, if you're dealing with tren sides it should be nothing for you.
maybe take some b12 shots? i know niacin is a form of b12 so maybe look into that.
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niacin flush is a joke, if you're dealing with tren sides it should be nothing for you.
maybe take some b12 shots? i know niacin is a form of b12 so maybe look into that.
niacin is vitamin b3 ......
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niacin is vitamin b3 ......
oh yes you're right, my mistake heheh not enough sleep :P
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oh yes you're right, my mistake heheh not enough sleep :P
lol!
go to bed then , instead of spending hours on a forum about oily men in thongs!
;D ;D ;D ;D
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lol!
go to bed then , instead of spending hours on a forum about oily men in thongs!
;D ;D ;D ;D
Did you ever find that study on Creatine being bad on kidney's?
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to the guy who said dietary cholesterol affects your total cholesterol your wrong its actually saturated fat that is the culprit
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OP i think it its time you ease up on the hormones(SRS) try coming off completely or at least jsut down on trt doses man, like SUCKMYMUSCLE said, muscle is not worth dying over of getting an infract, you' still be pretty huge for quite a few months.
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Your missing some vital labs. What your posting is not telling much of a picture. Do you have other labs that u just did not post
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All this for big muscles? :-\ :-\
PIP!
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funny thread...
we have a doctor here.... dr.Dutch.... he says to Alphamaledawg.. DO NOT WORRY YOU'LL LIVE....!!
like i always say... most dudes from the 70's are still doing fine... they ABUSED the shit out of orals.... lol...
orals are known to wreck havoc on cholesterol levels and are supposed to melt livers lol....
relax!!!
stress causes all kinds of problems as well you know ;)
because you know all the pro bbers from the 70s what about the 80s and 90s-you have no idea wtf you are talking about when it comes to pro bbing--and drug use---oh ya shit sorry-you know most of the thousands of retired pros-over the last 30 years.. ::)
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because you know all the pro bbers from the 70s what about the 80s and 90s-you have no idea wtf you are talking about when it comes to pro bbing--and drug use---oh ya shit sorry-you know most of the thousands of retired pros-over the last 30 years.. ::)
i believe arnold had heart surgery several times...
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because you know all the pro bbers from the 70s what about the 80s and 90s-you have no idea wtf you are talking about when it comes to pro bbing--and drug use---oh ya shit sorry-you know most of the thousands of retired pros-over the last 30 years.. ::)
thousands of retired pro's???? lol.... there are only like what 200/300 current pro's?
and bb in the 70's was not very big.. not a lot of athletes.... have you never watched old Olympia tapes?
Olympia 75 .... heavyweights.... Arnold, Lou, Nubret... that was it! lol....
even in the 80's only a handfull of pro's...
the 90's and nowadays they used a lot more diuretics and narcotics and in the 70's it was mostly just steroids.... and only some diuretics for prep, that is why i mentioned the 70's
So before you go and say someone does not know what they are talking about , THINK!
i have been training AND using for over a decade... on and off ofcourse....
i have a LOT of bb friends.... Also some older geezers.....
and the older geezers are fine.... well, most of them... yes some had hartattacks.... but so did some normal people i know who never used steroids.... it's a fact of life that some get sick and some do not... it is mostly GENETICS when it comes to heart related problems.
again, heart disease is killer no1 among humans!! so why would it be different among bb's????
just calling it how i see it....
you guys are way to paranoid... lol..
just because you do not have the balls to go and juice and actually get a physique that is worth an extra look in the street, is not reason to go and create horror scenarios....
yes there are some risks and sides you will need to deal with, but it is very product related....
you can use primo and low dose test and hgh forever and be healthy as hell!!
go and use a gram of tren, high dose hgh/slin and test... and yes that will result in more sides.... but even then....most survive .... human body is very strong...
it is diuretics/narcotics in combination with slin that is the real danger....
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No, i still hate obese people. I despise their lack of discipline and self control. Have you fixed your shitty genetics yet?
Anymore 600lb stone lifts to report
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Lower the Tren and eat cleaner,do a bit more cardio .......problem solved.
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Lower the Tren and eat cleaner,do a bit more cardio .......problem solved.
wes , the voice of reason! ;D ;D ;D
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wes , the voice of reason! ;D ;D ;D
No one needs 700 mgs. of Tren unless it`s for a contest........100 EOD and a fairly clean diet + cardio = lean and mean without killing yourself in the process.
It`s not like he`s prepping for the Olympia.
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Yeah...tell him how you guys did it in the old days Wes!!!1111...... :D
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Yeah...tell him how you guys did it in the old days Wes!!!1111...... :D
Hey,I`m still alive in spite of myself! ;)
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Hey,I`m still alive in spite of myself! ;)
Some guys have all the luck... :)
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Yeah...tell him how you guys did it in the old days Wes!!!1111...... :D
lol.. exactly wes is one off the older bb's here.... he has tons of experience....
and he is fine... did his fair share of drugs... ;)
and most bb of his generation are fine....
people get sick... period... i am sure wes knows a lot of people that have had problems and never used steroids...
it's age and wear and tear.... some people are just stronger then others...
when uncle bob dies of hart related problems it's genetic and bad diet...
when a bb dies of the same thing, STEROIDS! ::)
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lol.. exactly wes is one off the older bb's here.... he has tons of experience....
and he is fine... did his fair share of drugs... ;)
and most bb of his generation are fine....
people get sick... period... i am sure wes knows a lot of people that have had problems and never used steroids...
it's age and wear and tear.... some people are just stronger then others...
when uncle bob dies of hart related problems it's genetic and bad diet...
when a bb dies of the same thing, STEROIDS! ::)
Junk foods don`t kill people,steroids kill people! ;D
I`m old but some of the guys here run some Mr. Olympia cycles just to look good going to Wal-Mart! ;D
Not talking about anyone in particular but I`ve seen some insane cycles posted here and most would probably look just as good by cutting back a bit,and eating better, and training harder with more cardio, instead of taking boatloads of shit,eating ice cream and sushi, and thinking that drinking pineapple juice later will make it all better! LOL :D
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Some guys have all the luck... :)
More than luck involved in my case............never been too lucky,somebody wants to keep me around to suffer some more or some demented shit like that. ;)
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More than luck involved in my case............never been too lucky,somebody wants to keep me around to suffer some more or some demented shit like that. ;)
Hahaha you sound like that big kneegrow from The Green Mile ..lol... ;D
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Hahaha you sound like that big kneegrow from The Green Mile ..lol... ;D
I am him ! ;D
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I am him ! ;D
Lol...big fuckr... :o
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Junk foods don`t kill people,steroids kill people! ;D
I`m old but some of the guys here run some Mr. Olympia cycles just to look good going to Wal-Mart! ;D
Not talking about anyone in particular but I`ve seen some insane cycles posted here and most would probably look just as good by cutting back a bit,and eating better, and training harder with more cardio, instead of taking boatloads of shit,eating ice cream and sushi, and thinking that drinking pineapple juice later will make it all better! LOL :D
Yes!!!
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Thank god wes is here
I was just about to start my pre summer look good impress other men be the baddest motherF-U-C-K-E-R in walmart cycle consisting of
2,100mg tren
5,000mg test
2,000mg EQ
700mg winstrol
But I've had second thoughts and will now run the pussy pulling cycle of
750mg test
100mg tren EOD
600mg EQ
Thank you wes
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Lol...big fuckr... :o
All drugs! ;)
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Thank god wes is here
I was just about to start my pre summer look good impress other men be the baddest motherF-U-C-K-E-R in walmart cycle consisting of
2,100mg tren
5,000mg test
2,000mg EQ
700mg winstrol
But I've had second thoughts and will now run the pussy pulling cycle of
750mg test
100mg tren EOD
600mg EQ
Thank you wes
hahaha ;D
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thousands of retired pro's???? lol.... there are only like what 200/300 current pro's?
and bb in the 70's was not very big.. not a lot of athletes.... have you never watched old Olympia tapes?
Olympia 75 .... heavyweights.... Arnold, Lou, Nubret... that was it! lol....
even in the 80's only a handfull of pro's...
the 90's and nowadays they used a lot more diuretics and narcotics and in the 70's it was mostly just steroids.... and only some diuretics for prep, that is why i mentioned the 70's
So before you go and say someone does not know what they are talking about , THINK!
i have been training AND using for over a decade... on and off ofcourse....
i have a LOT of bb friends.... Also some older geezers.....
and the older geezers are fine.... well, most of them... yes some had hartattacks.... but so did some normal people i know who never used steroids.... it's a fact of life that some get sick and some do not... it is mostly GENETICS when it comes to heart related problems.
again, heart disease is killer no1 among humans!! so why would it be different among bb's????
just calling it how i see it....
you guys are way to paranoid... lol..
just because you do not have the balls to go and juice and actually get a physique that is worth an extra look in the street, is not reason to go and create horror scenarios....
yes there are some risks and sides you will need to deal with, but it is very product related....
you can use primo and low dose test and hgh forever and be healthy as hell!!
go and use a gram of tren, high dose hgh/slin and test... and yes that will result in more sides.... but even then....most survive .... human body is very strong...
it is diuretics/narcotics in combination with slin that is the real danger....
there has been thousands of pros since the 70s -and guys and girls trying to turn pro every year that never make it year after year--and you have been using the odd cycle for a decade ..WOW!!!!! A common gym rat-like I said you have no idea wtf you are talking about the sport has evolved a shit load from the 70s as far as drug usage and people getting sick-
Iam one of the current pros so listen little boy---
you dont think the protocal now isnt bad for your health if your hard core pro for 10-20 years -then you are a complete delusional person and you have no idea wtf you are talking about-iam a current pro who uses all the shit you can imagine-and you are a common gym rat who knows some bbers--like i said you are clueless-shall i start the list of pro guys that have gotten sick or had complications since the 90s --NOT EVEN INCLUDING ALL THE REGIONAL AND NATIONAL LEVEL GUYS IN THE US AND CANADA THAT NEVER MAKE IT TO THE PRO LEVEL ????
dont try and tell young up and comers there isnt risk involved-
if your doing the odd cycle of test here and there a litle bit of primo-deca ya youll prob be fine-but there still is risk-if your a top national or pro there is a shit load of risk--so again stfu and go and do your one shot of test..no one competing just uses steroids any more-so get your head out of your ass--the average gym rat now uses more now then mr olympia used in the 70s-
so if your doing the odd cycle here and there obviously the risk isnt as high-- if your using at the national or pro level for many years the risk is huge-so please =dont try and blow smoke up everyones ass when you have done NOTHING in competitive bbing-and your knowledge is from outside the box--i could tell you alot of fucked up stories about current sick and retired pro bbers that i know first hand-wtf do u think happens to them all and why do you think all pros would make there health issues public-after abusing for 20 years-like gh 15 says we all bullshit about our usage of drugs---and the risks and complications--so unless you are a current ifbb pro or top national guy-stfu-and stick to ur odd cycle down there in brazil away from the real bbing world- you will be fine--
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its my opinion a lot of health problems in bodybuilding are from shear being over weight 250 isnt any more healthy just because its muscle.
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there has been thousands of pros since the 70s -and guys and girls trying to turn pro every year that never make it year after year--and you have been using the odd cycle for a decade ..WOW!!!!! A common gym rat-like I said you have no idea wtf you are talking about the sport has evolved a shit load from the 70s as far as drug usage and people getting sick-
Iam one of the current pros so listen little boy---
you dont think the protocal now isnt bad for your health if your hard core pro for 10-20 years -then you are a complete delusional person and you have no idea wtf you are talking about-iam a current pro who uses all the shit you can imagine-and you are a common gym rat who knows some bbers--like i said you are clueless-shall i start the list of pro guys that have gotten sick or had complications since the 90s --NOT EVEN INCLUDING ALL THE REGIONAL AND NATIONAL LEVEL GUYS IN THE US AND CANADA THAT NEVER MAKE IT TO THE PRO LEVEL ????
dont try and tell young up and comers there isnt risk involved-
if your doing the odd cycle of test here and there a litle bit of primo-deca ya youll prob be fine-but there still is risk-if your a top national or pro there is a shit load of risk--so again stfu and go and do your one shot of test..no one competing just uses steroids any more-so get your head out of your ass--the average gym rat now uses more now then mr olympia used in the 70s-
so if your doing the odd cycle here and there obviously the risk isnt as high-- if your using at the national or pro level for many years the risk is huge-so please =dont try and blow smoke up everyones ass when you have done NOTHING in competitive bbing-and your knowledge is from outside the box--i could tell you alot of fucked up stories about current sick and retired pro bbers that i know first hand-wtf do u think happens to them all and why do you think all pros would make there health issues public-after abusing for 20 years-like gh 15 says we all bullshit about our usage of drugs---and the risks and complications--so unless you are a current ifbb pro or top national guy-stfu-and stick to ur odd cycle down there in brazil away from the real bbing world- you will be fine--
well, what i use is not really important here, is it? i have done my fair share of serious cycles.... and even competed.... i just stopped at regional level.... i had my reasons for that....ecplained it a zillion times... maybe i will compete again dunno....
but that in no way should mean i do not know what i am talking about.
i actually have an athlete doing the mr. Universe this year... last year he took 5th.... this your i will have him top3!
and i have many , many , many friends who are TOP bb.... TOP.... i know what they take and how sick it is nowadays... i even said so in my post , but you are so edgy that you can't seem to read properly...
but my point was , and is.... that it is not the steroids that are the problem... nor the hgh...
that is why i took the 70's as an example.. because back then it was still mostly roids and roids only....
today it is different yes.... i agree...
but still most dudes are ok... even at high level..... some overdo stuff and pay a price yes....
but it's never the steroids.... always "other" things involved....
and cool to have another PRO here with us! why don't you pm ron and get you blue stars! we would all love to learn from you! cool ! ;)
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there has been thousands of pros since the 70s -and guys and girls trying to turn pro every year that never make it year after year--and you have been using the odd cycle for a decade ..WOW!!!!! A common gym rat-like I said you have no idea wtf you are talking about the sport has evolved a shit load from the 70s as far as drug usage and people getting sick-
Iam one of the current pros so listen little boy---
you dont think the protocal now isnt bad for your health if your hard core pro for 10-20 years -then you are a complete delusional person and you have no idea wtf you are talking about-iam a current pro who uses all the shit you can imagine-and you are a common gym rat who knows some bbers--like i said you are clueless-shall i start the list of pro guys that have gotten sick or had complications since the 90s --NOT EVEN INCLUDING ALL THE REGIONAL AND NATIONAL LEVEL GUYS IN THE US AND CANADA THAT NEVER MAKE IT TO THE PRO LEVEL ????
dont try and tell young up and comers there isnt risk involved-
if your doing the odd cycle of test here and there a litle bit of primo-deca ya youll prob be fine-but there still is risk-if your a top national or pro there is a shit load of risk--so again stfu and go and do your one shot of test..no one competing just uses steroids any more-so get your head out of your ass--the average gym rat now uses more now then mr olympia used in the 70s-
so if your doing the odd cycle here and there obviously the risk isnt as high-- if your using at the national or pro level for many years the risk is huge-so please =dont try and blow smoke up everyones ass when you have done NOTHING in competitive bbing-and your knowledge is from outside the box--i could tell you alot of fucked up stories about current sick and retired pro bbers that i know first hand-wtf do u think happens to them all and why do you think all pros would make there health issues public-after abusing for 20 years-like gh 15 says we all bullshit about our usage of drugs---and the risks and complications--so unless you are a current ifbb pro or top national guy-stfu-and stick to ur odd cycle down there in brazil away from the real bbing world- you will be fine--
Ok, so tell us the stories.
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You ought to take that bloodwork to the nearest jiffy lube tech for his opinion too
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Were you on gear while getting the blood work?
did you take time off training a week before getting the blood work?
do you have total test and estrogen results?
Junk foods don`t kill people,steroids kill people! ;D
I`m old but some of the guys here run some Mr. Olympia cycles just to look good going to Wal-Mart! ;D
Not talking about anyone in particular but I`ve seen some insane cycles posted here and most would probably look just as good by cutting back a bit,and eating better, and training harder with more cardio, instead of taking boatloads of shit,eating ice cream and sushi, and thinking that drinking pineapple juice later will make it all better! LOL :D
are you serious?
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Were you on gear while getting the blood work?
did you take time off training a week before getting the blood work?
do you have total test and estrogen results?
are you serious?
well, considering the big smiley at the end of the sentence... i think it's safe to say Wes was joking a bit.... at least being sarcastic....
don't ya think?
;D ;D ;D
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well, considering the big smiley at the end of the sentence... i think it's safe to say Wes was joking a bit.... at least being sarcastic....
don't ya think?
;D ;D ;D
Yeah lol i just had to make sure ;D