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Getbig Bodybuilding Boards => Steroids Info & Hardcore => Topic started by: randy841 on March 31, 2012, 01:55:48 PM
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2nd cycle Been on for 7 months (Tren for almost 3months) - [2nd cycle started after 5mths off]
(1st cycle was 18 weeks Test E 500mg/20mg Anavar the last 8 weeks) Went from 210s to mid 240s. Kept half the BW and 80%+ strength. Hadn't done squats in 9 years - with addition of Test E for the first time following traumatic injuries was able to function normally. Went through a phase of HRT in 2005/2006- it was a failure. Since then still problems with knees, but nothing like before. Even on cruise i am thinking low test and Eq for the rest of my life. I want to stay as far as possible from pain meds - did it for 7-8 years straight.
Started with every 5th day shots
No test for 1st month
Eq 250mg
Dbol 20-30
Then into 2nd month every 4th/5th day
Test 250 - Later on into 3rd month increased to 400mg (Test blend)
Eq 250-325mg
Dbol only workout days 30-40mg (for 3-5 weeks)
Then starting in 5th month every 7th day
Test 250mg
Eq 250mg
Tren 200mg
0.5mg Arimidex eod
2.5mg Selegiline Ed
Starting in the 6th month
Test 125mg *2 wkly
Eq - dropped it (at first i was alternating with Test then Eq went from 250mg to 125mg)
Tren E 200mg *2 wkly
T3 75mcg ed
Clen 100mcg ed
I have Blood Work done multiple times. Normal as it could be. Internal medicine doctor pointed to cholesterol #'s - a little above average + Hematocrit (viscosity of the blood very thick).
Saw endocrinologist just last week - thyroid functioning properly. Now on T3 75mcg ed for fat loss, Otherwise prescribed T4 100mcg ed.
Side Effects
Insomnia - yes, certainly continues to affect sleep patterns. Waking up multiple times a night. Some days once i wake, i cannot go back to sleep - can lie there for 3 hours.
T3 - my thyroid with the addition of Trenbolone was shut or nearly shut. Doctor increased dosage right away to T4 100mcg. Even on 1st cycle i didn't know until months later my thyroid was not functioning properly - so endocrinologist started me with T4 50mcg.
Libido problems - none
Acne - none (Anavar was the worst - it was not much to speak of though)
Hair loss - none
BP - normal (101/59) - was elevated with Dbol and and creatine monohydrate
Heart Rate - normal
Lungs - normal
Liver - enzymes elevated
Cholesterol - slightly above average
Kidneys - prior to Tren, #'s off the charts with creatine. Btw, when i first started tren - at the same time added in Arimidex/Selegiline for a night or two i was pissing every 1-2 hours.
Gyno - no (on .5mg arimidex eod + 2.5mg Selegiline for the prolactin)
Water Retention - none - in fact since starting Tren E dropped 14lb+ of fat and water (i usually hovered 237-241lb). Lower legs still cramp up even with the loss of almost 25lb+ from its peak. Worst pumps on the legs/lower back were from test and combined with dbol. Many times forced to quit early. I have never trained better than on eq without dbol and on Tren and low test. Shoulders upper back on Test/Eq/Dbol had gotten so big - arms hurt to lift over the head and could not do pull ups/chins without debilitating pain - except once in a blue moon. Now absolutely nothing on tren, and the best shape i've been in and the hardest i ever trained.
Joints - elbows knees - quite painful at times
Sweating - nothing to speak of at night but at times very uncomfortable. In the middle of winter -10 i have to open the windows
Cardiovascular capacity - sometimes feels like breathing harder than usual. The more eq in the blood the less the cardio was affected i found (i will add in again after hematocrit levels go down). Overall, no problems i can run like a featherweight on/off for 45m-1hr.
Tren cough - none (it occurs only with the Acetate ester i believe - no experience)
Since Trenbolone considered so harmful - are there things not showing up on bloodwork?
Also planning on adding Oral Winstol for 50 days * 50mg? - safe to do - good synergy?
After this i plan to Stop Tren/Winny in sync and cruise on 125mg Test E a week for 10-12 weeks.
I want to do Low test - Tren E for 6 months (on almost 3mths). I want to stay on the safe side with low to moderate dosages.
What has been the experience of others on Trenbolone? Worst sides, if any?
Anything i should change up?
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what kind of question is this. how could we possibly know the answer to this. does someone have some polling data of all the trenbolone related illnesses and deaths that have occured ? do we know the extent of the responsibilty that trenbolone owned so we can make a better guess at true averages so we could give you some kind of prescription as to what kind of cycle to avoid ?
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exactly 193 days
anymore than that and your legs will fall off.
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forever
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Did you notice an increase in energy when you added T4?
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Your liver enzymes are elevated due to high doses of Tren and a prolonged use. Happened to me in January. Got off Tren and they are back to normal. Switched to just primo, gh, and test. I miss Tren a lot but gonna take a long break and not use for long time. My enzymes were a 1,000. Get your blood checked regularly. You may feel fine but something else could be going on.
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why do you want to use tren e rather than tren ace??
"TREN ACE AND TREN ENANTHATE:
trenbolona ace,,
the trenbolona of choice,, we use trenbolona ace for daily changes ,, if one lean and in signle digit ...trenbolona ace create changed on the physiqe daily ,, NOTICABLE changes,, effective and hit the blood fast ,,does it thing and leave,,best thing about trenbolona ace is ....the ability to eat icecream before going to sleep..or really just eat lol,, with hgh forget about it you actualy need to push stuff into you otherwize you will be erased bodyfat wize,, but! on trenbolona ace...after gh been taken out...you can eat much more balonie and stil get fat burning while lean muscle kept in WHOLE,, it is ofcourse the easter of choice of any serious bodybuilder,,
trenbolona enantato,,
side effect in a vial,,some fella dont get side effet no matter what due to their invinsibility as human beings,,,there are some fella with immune system and body that is just superior geneticaly and they just never get sides or get sick or anything,, still the acetate is alwaya the prefered method to use trenbolona ,, you want it in and out and you want it fast acting,,you want attack muscle and fat fast and then out,, enantato just doesnt do it the body get used to it and start breaking it little here little there,,just doenst give you the same effect
gh15 approved "
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the square root of negative 1
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very scary just reading some of the things you list off.
just get tests done more often if you really want to do this...
don't play games with your health!
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You're already dead.
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nothing is certain ;D
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Tren cough..........only got it once.
Randy,you can stay on longer,that dosage isn`t really considered exorbitant.
The only sides I had were a bit of increased insomnia as I suffer from that already,and when I did a Tren only cycle one time I had libido issues coming off,but it cleared up fairly quickly.
I was only running 100mgs. EOD as I am not a boatload type of guy.
All the best! ;)
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You're already dead.
this
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Tren cough..........only got it once.
Randy,you can stay on longer,that dosage isn`t really considered exorbitant.
The only sides I had were a bit of increased insomnia as I suffer from that already,and when I did a Tren only cycle one time I had libido issues coming off,but it cleared up fairly quickly.
I was only running 100mgs. EOD as I am not a boatload type of guy.
All the best! ;)
what the fuck
you are NOT natural?
then you really aren't shit all things considered
peace
(that or drugs really are the finishing touch)
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what the fuck
you are NOT natural?
then you really aren't shit all things considered
peace
(that or drugs really are the finishing touch)
400 mgs is nothing really and Wes looked awesome, chizeled and hard (no homo).
Get a clue.
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400 mgs is nothing really and Wes looked awesome, chizeled and hard (no homo).
Get a clue.
ok :(
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i dont know sometime it i think i talk to bunch of monkys on trees in the zoo,,
YOU DO NOT NEED TO EVER! GO OFF TRENBOLONA...IF YOU DO ...DONT COMPLAIN LATER WHEN YOU ALMOST LOOK LIKE TH EPAST BUT NOT QUITE,,, ALMOST 2 MORE POUNDS 2 MORE POUNDS LOL,,rememebr stavio? he was im getting back my size...FAST lol ofcourse he didnt,, i told him when you lose lean muscle it is not easy to gain it back ,, muscle memory my europian ass,, you need T R E N B O L O N A to make the body go yum yum into shreddsness while keeping size and slightly INCREASING it if know what you doing with the hgh...
also trenbolona enantate is not good and not approved,, trenbolona ace is what i approve! i wrotre it milion time in bible
gh15 approved
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if you fellas really ever had the 2 compouds...trenblona ace....and human growth hormones....both legit! then you would know the word TRUE BODYBUILDER is hidden behind this 2 drugs ,, only this 2 drugs will make the 200lb bodybuild smash and wack the fllor with the gymnaisum rat seo insulina addict that weigtht 268 lb with 20 inch balooned arm ,,that 200lb...will wipe floor with him ask any bodybuild who ever had legit trenbollona ace and hgh ...they will confirm and tell yuo this is THE ONLY way ! ONLY WAY! to modern bodybuild squary full nice neck small face small head illusiion on top of a million dolaros body
gh15 approved
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i dont know sometime it i think i talk to bunch of monkys on trees in the zoo,,
YOU DO NOT NEED TO EVER! GO OFF TRENBOLONA...IF YOU DO ...DONT COMPLAIN LATER WHEN YOU ALMOST LOOK LIKE TH EPAST BUT NOT QUITE,,, ALMOST 2 MORE POUNDS 2 MORE POUNDS LOL,,rememebr stavio? he was im getting back my size...FAST lol ofcourse he didnt,, i told him when you lose lean muscle it is not easy to gain it back ,, muscle memory my europian ass,, you need T R E N B O L O N A to make the body go yum yum into shreddsness while keeping size and slightly INCREASING it if know what you doing with the hgh...
also trenbolona enantate is not good and not approved,, trenbolona ace is what i approve! i wrotre it milion time in bible
gh15 approved
Cycle for recomp. Pure tren or tren with a test base. Pray tell big G?
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we have all read the bible. the question still remains, just because the change of the ester its
properties all of a sudden become magical? that just doesnt make sense. im just trying to understand.
if the point of the ace is to ' get in n out quick ' , but now we are NOT getting off trenbolona,
wouldnt it make more sense to just run the long ester version?
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we have all read the bible. the question still remains, just because the change of the ester its
properties all of a sudden become magical? that just doesnt make sense. im just trying to understand.
if the point of the ace is to ' get in n out quick ' , but now we are NOT getting off trenbolona,
wouldnt it make more sense to just run the long ester version?
Logic overload.
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the main compounds ,, other too but main ones...
gh and tren
take gh out after a while...
get higher doses of tren and stay on it
wait 2 months and see what happen daily even before the 2 months pass within first week...
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sudenly the 260lb 6 feet local champ in you gymasium that place 4 in state show...come to yo uand say how do you get to look like that and if you want to share with him the next purchase...
bodybuild is very simply ...it is the mike arnelds that make is complicated,, this is why im in war against this crooks
gh15 approved
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All good and well, but there comes a point you need a mental break from trenbolona!
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All good and well, but there comes a point you need a mental break from trenbolona!
I agree,especially at high dosages for long periods.
Gotta` rest the body and mind.........maybe a cruise type cycle,a bit of test only.
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I agree,especially at high dosages for long periods.
Gotta` rest the body and mind.........maybe a cruise type cycle,a bit of test only.
Indeed. I'm gonna cruise on some low test/mast for a bit until I get my bloodwork back. Will assess from there.
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what the fuck
you are NOT natural?
then you really aren't shit all things considered
peace
(that or drugs really are the finishing touch)
nice gimmick
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nice gimmick
Pathetic isn`t it ???
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true ther come a time when you need time off due to mental ....its not easy the trenbolona mind fucking,, but!...this is also the time when you take out of the closet that nice big shirt lol and dotn feel like million dolaros
gh15 approved
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true ther come a time when you need time off due to mental ....its not easy the trenbolona mind fucking,, but!...this is also the time when you take out of the closet that nice big shirt lol and dotn feel like million dolaros
gh15 approved
Ohhh, I know. Only been 2 - 3 days since my last trenbolone injection and veins are already disappearing. It's gonna be big baggy hoodies for me in the gym the next few weeks. ;D
Then it's blast time again, son. 8)
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Ohhh, I know. Only been 2 - 3 days since my last trenbolone injection and veins are already disappearing. It's gonna be big baggy hoodies for me in the gym the next few weeks. ;D
Then it's blast time again, son. 8)
Eat cleaner,more cardio,and cover up! ;D
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tren is not liver toxic or kidney toxic, the BA is what fucks you. the amount of benzyl alcohol in 1ml of most tren preperations is several times higher than an entire 10ml vial of testosterone.
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Cycle for recomp. Pure tren or tren with a test base. Pray tell big G?
obviously you're gonna have to run some test along side tren bc tren shuts down natural test production. run a low dose though so to not ruin the tren look with a bunch of watery bloat.
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Did you notice an increase in energy when you added T4?
Yes, it made a huge difference when i started, and appetite also increased. It has stayed that way, unless i play around with androgens.
At first when i was prescribed T4 by endocrinologist, the dosage was 50mcg (April 2011). I've had the dosages adjusted twice since then.
Once when i was off 1st cycle to 75mcg. I was recovering at this time from my 2nd cycle.
The strong the androgen i used - the more the TSH levels went south the blood work indicated.
Then again the dosage was adjusted when i added Tren E every 7 days Jan 4/12 to 100mcg.
Numbers were off the charts. I could feel the difference within a few days -- energy and appetite wise once commencing the dosage. Two weeks later did additional blood work to confirm and stayed at that dosage.
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Your liver enzymes are elevated due to high doses of Tren and a prolonged use. Happened to me in January. Got off Tren and they are back to normal. Switched to just primo, gh, and test. I miss Tren a lot but gonna take a long break and not use for long time. My enzymes were a 1,000. Get your blood checked regularly. You may feel fine but something else could be going on.
Below are blood work results after being on Tren E for 3 weeks + Test + Eq (Been on cycle at this stage for 18 weeks total). Following this i saw a internal medicine specialist.
Copy and pasted from another thread http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=413720.msg5910920#msg5910920
Blood Work completed Jan 27th/12
Results Reference range
Creatinine 126 60-110 umol/L (outside normal range)
eGFR 57 >=60. mL/min/1.73**2 (outside normal range)
BUN - ratio not indicated
Cholesterol 6.45 (outside normal range)
Triglycerides 1.51
HDL Cholesterol 0.55 (outside normal range)
LDL Cholesterol calc 5.21
TC/HDL-C RATIO 11.7
Vitamin B12 721 (sufficiency > 220 pmol/L)
Ferritin 34 (Iron stores are near depleted)
Sodium 140
Potassium 4.8
Chloride 103
Alkaline Phosphatase 89
CK 937 (reference range <225 U/L) (outside normal range)
ALT 49 (range <46 U/L) (outside normal range)
sTSH 20.47 (range 0.35 - 5.00 mIU/L) (outside normal range)
T4 Free 17
Free T4 5.6
Prostate specific As 1.02
HEMATOLOGY
Hemoglobin 174 g/L (outside normal range)
Hematocrit 0.52 (outside normal range)
RBC Indices MCV 85 (outside normal range)
MCH 29
MCHC 338
RDW 14.8
WBC 8.4
Platelets 327
MPV 9.4
Differential WBC's
Neutrophils 4.12
Lymphocytes 3.19
Monocytes 0.59
Eosinophils 0.42 (outside normal range)
Basophils 0.08
URINALYSIS
Glucose negative
Bilirubin neg
Ketones neg
S.G. 1.015 (range 1.005-1.030)
Blood neg
pH 6.5 (5.0-8.0) - reason for severe joint pain in knees? Huh
Protein neg <0.4 g/L
UBG 3.2 (3.2 - 16 umol/L)
Nitrite neg
Leukocyte neg
Diet - vegetarian - protein primarily lentils, cheese, milk, and whey
History - no problems ever
No drinking (only occasionally on 1st cycle not this - not even once)
No recreational drugs of any kind (never)
No cigarettes (never)
Aspirin once in a while
Hydroxycut before workout (on days only)
Bodyweight
mid to high range 235-240lb
(high 248lb - low 231lb on cycle)
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why do you want to use tren e rather than tren ace??
"TREN ACE AND TREN ENANTHATE:
trenbolona ace,,
the trenbolona of choice,, we use trenbolona ace for daily changes ,, if one lean and in signle digit ...trenbolona ace create changed on the physiqe daily ,, NOTICABLE changes,, effective and hit the blood fast ,,does it thing and leave,,best thing about trenbolona ace is ....the ability to eat icecream before going to sleep..or really just eat lol,, with hgh forget about it you actualy need to push stuff into you otherwize you will be erased bodyfat wize,, but! on trenbolona ace...after gh been taken out...you can eat much more balonie and stil get fat burning while lean muscle kept in WHOLE,, it is ofcourse the easter of choice of any serious bodybuilder,,
trenbolona enantato,,
side effect in a vial,,some fella dont get side effet no matter what due to their invinsibility as human beings,,,there are some fella with immune system and body that is just superior geneticaly and they just never get sides or get sick or anything,, still the acetate is alwaya the prefered method to use trenbolona ,, you want it in and out and you want it fast acting,,you want attack muscle and fat fast and then out,, enantato just doesnt do it the body get used to it and start breaking it little here little there,,just doenst give you the same effect
gh15 approved "
After doing a lot of due diligence before adding Tren E, I came to the conclusion that the fast onset of the Ace ester is causing most of the dreaded sides. So i decided on Tren E to see how i would respond. Didn't want to ruin the skin especially from some of the things i read - with acne over face, back, chest etc. So instead -- even when i started with Tren E, i started with a shot every 7-9 days for almost 2 months. Only over the last 4-5 weeks have i reduced the duration of the shot to get an increased effect. Since i am responding well - no sides (except insomnia), i figure i run it a little longer - even if not 6 months.
"we use trenbolona ace for daily changes"
Yes, ideally that's what i would like to do the next time -- after analyzing the red highlighted info i am not sure i fully got everything out of the Tren E. Hardly any sides besides insomnia. By the time it fully kicked in the gym - it was the 3rd - 4th week. Body recomposition started around the 6th week. Right around the same time i added T3 - then 2 weeks later clen.
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very scary just reading some of the things you list off.
just get tests done more often if you really want to do this...
don't play games with your health!
Yes, i had multiple tests done already.
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Tren cough..........only got it once.
Randy,you can stay on longer,that dosage isn`t really considered exorbitant.
The only sides I had were a bit of increased insomnia as I suffer from that already,and when I did a Tren only cycle one time I had libido issues coming off,but it cleared up fairly quickly.
I was only running 100mgs. EOD as I am not a boatload type of guy.
All the best! ;)
Sounds reassuring Wes.
Only insomnia side here too Wes. Gets a little irritating some days.
"I am not a boatload type of guy"
Same philosophical approach here Wes. I like low to moderate dosages with longer runs. I find i get more out it with less sides. Furthermore, i am still in the trial and error stage - learning how and what works best. That's why i wanted a little more input from the experienced users.
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You on anything for your high cholestrol? The eq is most likely causing your high hemo it did to me. Your liver readings are pretty good for being on what your on. PSA is good. Having any problems pissing? Does happen when on tren.
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You're already dead.
At one time, I was on a 12-24 hour retreat due to trauma injuries. So don't take life for granted. Make the most of your time.
I know sarcasm is hard and fast on this board, but we can all learn something from the aggregate knowledge of this board.
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i dont know sometime it i think i talk to bunch of monkys on trees in the zoo,,
YOU DO NOT NEED TO EVER! GO OFF TRENBOLONA...IF YOU DO ...DONT COMPLAIN LATER WHEN YOU ALMOST LOOK LIKE TH EPAST BUT NOT QUITE,,, ALMOST 2 MORE POUNDS 2 MORE POUNDS LOL,,rememebr stavio? he was im getting back my size...FAST lol ofcourse he didnt,, i told him when you lose lean muscle it is not easy to gain it back ,, muscle memory my europian ass,, you need T R E N B O L O N A to make the body go yum yum into shreddsness while keeping size and slightly INCREASING it if know what you doing with the hgh...
also trenbolona enantate is not good and not approved,, trenbolona ace is what i approve! i wrotre it milion time in bible
gh15 approved
Definitely next round GH15 - i will go with the Ace.
Is Parabolan even comparable to the Tren Ace?
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we have all read the bible. the question still remains, just because the change of the ester its
properties all of a sudden become magical? that just doesnt make sense. im just trying to understand.
if the point of the ace is to ' get in n out quick ' , but now we are NOT getting off trenbolona,
wouldnt it make more sense to just run the long ester version?
That's one of the premises i used for adding Tren E (other option was the Parabolan with the Hex ester) and not Tren A + factored in less sides with TE, as blood plamsa levels more stable with Tren E i figured.
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true ther come a time when you need time off due to mental ....its not easy the trenbolona mind fucking,, but!...this is also the time when you take out of the closet that nice big shirt lol and dotn feel like million dolaros
gh15 approved
... lol ;D
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tren is not liver toxic or kidney toxic, the BA is what fucks you. the amount of benzyl alcohol in 1ml of most tren preperations is several times higher than an entire 10ml vial of testosterone.
Read a piece on the BA factor in Tren A a while back. BA concentration also pointed to the cause of the Tren cough. True? ???
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You on anything for your high cholestrol? The eq is most likely causing your high hemo it did to me. Your liver readings are pretty good for being on what your on. PSA is good. Having any problems pissing? Does happen when on tren.
No - nothing at this stage for cholesterol. Tried Niacin for a few weeks. Spoke to internal medicine specialist, she says not to touch that and even requested that i stop the Potassium, Zinc, Magnesium, and fish oil - so the body completely flushes itself. After stopping cycle, i am going in again for 2 check ups, then also to endocrinologist booked in July for now. Depending on when i end cycle, i will likely defer those dates a little.
BTW, upon adding Anavar in the 1st cycle, and then getting myself tested 3 weeks later - my cholesterol numbers were off too then. Took nothing for it. After PCT completion, i did another test 3 weeks later, then the numbers were within range.
"eq is most likely causing your high hemo"
Yes, the eq is definitely doing that. Up until last Sat (March 24), i was alternating every 4/5th day 125mg Eq then 125mg Test. Since, the hematocrit remains high - i have stopped even the low dosages. Internal medicine specialist pointed this as special concern with history of heart problems on dads sides.
"liver readings are pretty good"
Yes, the specialist pointed to the liver and kidney readings and looked at creatine monohydrate as the mitigating factor. Plus, report suggests more muscular heavy lifting individuals are more susceptible to abnormal numbers on these specific tests. Family doctor felt a little more assured after receiving this report. Coincidentally, the day before i received a flyer from the local funeral home for prearranged service plan. Oh the irony. ;D Nevertheless, I went off the creatine the very next day following visit. As if ...
"Having any problems pissing?"
No, absolutely no problems.
"Does happen when on tren (pissing problems)."
Pretty common?
Dosage dependant?
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if there were any side efect on trenbolona ace beside psycological....we would already be all dead,, we profesional count on this drug like its water h20,, there are no efect beside psycological and ONLY psyciological and also after long high dose usage ,,
you cant avoid this hormone ,, im talking only trenblona ace for the rest we dont care for and dont use in current day and age,, back in the day trenbolona hex we did use...but! it was alwys trenboona ace that deliver what needed and always be trenbolona ace that wil deliver what needed,,
we are trenbolona ace addicts,, every day or every 2 day in jections usualy the more you inject the bteter you look ...not size wise! but condition wize...which guess what it mean? if your condition is better? what else is better? YOUR LEAN MUSCLE ! so there are astetics changes into the lower singles...but when you do it with out losing any size....guess what the body is actualy doing?
the body ....is ....actually ,, GROWING!
you cant avoid trenbolona ace,, with out it there is no modern bodybuilding,, and sadly many used much more than 500-700mg a week ,, MANY use 1-2 grams a week MANY!
trenbolona ace 500-700mg a week = finaly result of 195lb fella 6% dry usualy 5'9 or so ,, you realy in this level approach the max you can grow on steroids...but you can get to 205lb or so 5%...if you push the trenbolona ace higher,,after that...its all hgh and insulina
gh15 approved
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if there were any side efect on trenbolona ace beside psycological....we would already be all dead,, we profesional count on this drug like its water h20,, there are no efect beside psycological and ONLY psyciological and also after long high dose usage ,,
you cant avoid this hormone ,, im talking only trenblona ace for the rest we dont care for and dont use in current day and age,, back in the day trenbolona hex we did use...but! it was alwys trenboona ace that deliver what needed and always be trenbolona ace that wil deliver what needed,,
we are trenbolona ace addicts,, every day or every 2 day in jections usualy the more you inject the bteter you look ...not size wise! but condition wize...which guess what it mean? if your condition is better? what else is better? YOUR LEAN MUSCLE ! so there are astetics changes into the lower singles...but when you do it with out losing any size....guess what the body is actualy doing?
the body ....is ....actually ,, GROWING!
you cant avoid trenbolona ace,, with out it there is no modern bodybuilding,, and sadly many used much more than 500-700mg a week ,, MANY use 1-2 grams a week MANY!
trenbolona ace 500-700mg a week = finaly result of 195lb fella 6% dry usualy 5'9 or so ,, you realy in this level approach the max you can grow on steroids...but you can get to 205lb or so 5%...if you push the trenbolona ace higher,,after that...its all hgh and insulina
gh15 approved
I think Trenbolone Hex is very great stuff! legit parabolin is magic. Its hard to find high grade Trenbolone hex(parabolin) and trenbolone enanthate is not bad it is good if you do not want to inject everyday, Tren E you can shoot EOD and get the same gains. Tren E is a very beutiful drug so is parabolin lovely stuff.
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if there were any side efect on trenbolona ace beside psycological....we would already be all dead,, we profesional count on this drug like its water h20,, there are no efect beside psycological and ONLY psyciological and also after long high dose usage ,,
you cant avoid this hormone ,, im talking only trenblona ace for the rest we dont care for and dont use in current day and age,, back in the day trenbolona hex we did use...but! it was alwys trenboona ace that deliver what needed and always be trenbolona ace that wil deliver what needed,,
we are trenbolona ace addicts,, every day or every 2 day in jections usualy the more you inject the bteter you look ...not size wise! but condition wize...which guess what it mean? if your condition is better? what else is better? YOUR LEAN MUSCLE ! so there are astetics changes into the lower singles...but when you do it with out losing any size....guess what the body is actualy doing?
the body ....is ....actually ,, GROWING!
you cant avoid trenbolona ace,, with out it there is no modern bodybuilding,, and sadly many used much more than 500-700mg a week ,, MANY use 1-2 grams a week MANY!
trenbolona ace 500-700mg a week = finaly result of 195lb fella 6% dry usualy 5'9 or so ,, you realy in this level approach the max you can grow on steroids...but you can get to 205lb or so 5%...if you push the trenbolona ace higher,,after that...its all hgh and insulina
gh15 approved
thanks for this. LOL really opens your eyes, all the steroids in the world and you will be 200 pounds lol. :'( Bodybuilding is all a peptide war, sadly.
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if there were any side efect on trenbolona ace beside psycological....we would already be all dead,, we profesional count on this drug like its water h20,, there are no efect beside psycological and ONLY psyciological and also after long high dose usage ,,
you cant avoid this hormone ,, im talking only trenblona ace for the rest we dont care for and dont use in current day and age,, back in the day trenbolona hex we did use...but! it was alwys trenboona ace that deliver what needed and always be trenbolona ace that wil deliver what needed,,
we are trenbolona ace addicts,, every day or every 2 day in jections usualy the more you inject the bteter you look ...not size wise! but condition wize...which guess what it mean? if your condition is better? what else is better? YOUR LEAN MUSCLE ! so there are astetics changes into the lower singles...but when you do it with out losing any size....guess what the body is actualy doing?
the body ....is ....actually ,, GROWING!
you cant avoid trenbolona ace,, with out it there is no modern bodybuilding,, and sadly many used much more than 500-700mg a week ,, MANY use 1-2 grams a week MANY!
trenbolona ace 500-700mg a week = finaly result of 195lb fella 6% dry usualy 5'9 or so ,, you realy in this level approach the max you can grow on steroids...but you can get to 205lb or so 5%...if you push the trenbolona ace higher,,after that...its all hgh and insulina
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what drug is better for who are in many time using tren ace and wanna keep with the condition but gain clean size??
can't afford hgh and i'm thinking about bold or npp
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what drug is better for who are in many time using tren ace and wanna keep with the condition but gain clean size??
can't afford hgh and i'm thinking about bold or npp
More tren ace. Everyone asks GH15 questions that he has already answered a million freaking times. The guy has laid it all out for you, READ.
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T3 - my thyroid with the addition of Trenbolone was shut or nearly shut. Doctor increased dosage right away to T4 100mcg. Even on 1st cycle i didn't know until months later my thyroid was not functioning properly - so endocrinologist started me with T4 50mcg.
When you got the results of your poor functional Thyroid were you using only tren without t3 ?
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i dont know sometime it i think i talk to bunch of monkys on trees in the zoo,,
YOU DO NOT NEED TO EVER! GO OFF TRENBOLONA...IF YOU DO ...DONT COMPLAIN LATER WHEN YOU ALMOST LOOK LIKE TH EPAST BUT NOT QUITE,,, ALMOST 2 MORE POUNDS 2 MORE POUNDS LOL,,rememebr stavio? he was im getting back my size...FAST lol ofcourse he didnt,, i told him when you lose lean muscle it is not easy to gain it back ,, muscle memory my europian ass,, you need T R E N B O L O N A to make the body go yum yum into shreddsness while keeping size and slightly INCREASING it if know what you doing with the hgh...
also trenbolona enantate is not good and not approved,, trenbolona ace is what i approve! i wrotre it milion time in bible
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I was on tren for 6 months and my bloodwork looked like shit, so I'd love to hear why you think it is ok to never come off tren and expect to not cut off any time on your lifespan. My HDL was 17 and everything else was just bad
the main compounds ,, other too but main ones...
gh and tren
take gh out after a while...
get higher doses of tren and stay on it
wait 2 months and see what happen daily even before the 2 months pass within first week...
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sudenly the 260lb 6 feet local champ in you gymasium that place 4 in state show...come to yo uand say how do you get to look like that and if you want to share with him the next purchase...
bodybuild is very simply ...it is the mike arnelds that make is complicated,, this is why im in war against this crooks
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Can you explain why you remove HGH and then increase the tren dose? I don't get that part
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hgh = water retention, especially low purity chinese stuff
tren = drying out
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I was on tren for 6 months and my bloodwork looked like shit, so I'd love to hear why you think it is ok to never come off tren and expect to not cut off any time on your lifespan. My HDL was 17 and everything else was just bad
Good question. I have a friend who is on gear constantly for years. Going on 8 years straight now.
Always has test enan in system at 500mg/wk -- sometimes more but pretty much sticks to 500mg/wk. Then he just eq and deca usually together at 600mg/wk each and orals (drol/dbol) 8wks in and out. Always goes off the orals before blood test and everything comes up fine.
For about the last year or so because of the Bible he's switch to just tren. Kept the Test but found when he used tren it really made a difference and it shows. So he just figure he'd drop the Eq and Deca as it doesn't do nearly as much at 600mg/ea then 500-700mg tren A from top chef.
His blood pressure is way up, other results like liver and kidneys are off and he generally feels like crap. No stamina or endurance. Heart rate always high. Can't walk up stairs without losing his breath. Just doesn't feel in shape anymore. Looks great, though. Very chiseled and vascular. Also, on a half of vial a day of NDs gh. Been using that brand for years and is happy with it.
If something makes you feel that bad. Has the same universal side effects. Then I can't see how it can be good for you and it's got to take it's toll over the years.
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hgh = water retention, especially low purity chinese stuff
tren = drying out
but don't you lose muscle cells when you come off gh? Trying to figure out why the need to remove it when it comes to blowing up.
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Good question. I have a friend who is on gear constantly for years. Going on 8 years straight now.
Always has test enan in system at 500mg/wk -- sometimes more but pretty much sticks to 500mg/wk. Then he just eq and deca usually together at 600mg/wk each and orals (drol/dbol) 8wks in and out. Always goes off the orals before blood test and everything comes up fine.
For about the last year or so because of the Bible he's switch to just tren. Kept the Test but found when he used tren it really made a difference and it shows. So he just figure he'd drop the Eq and Deca as it doesn't do nearly as much at 600mg/ea then 500-700mg tren A from top chef.
His blood pressure is way up, other results like liver and kidneys are off and he generally feels like crap. No stamina or endurance. Heart rate always high. Can't walk up stairs without losing his breath. Just doesn't feel in shape anymore. Looks great, though. Very chiseled and vascular. Also, on a half of vial a day of NDs gh. Been using that brand for years and is happy with it.
If something makes you feel that bad. Has the same universal side effects. Then I can't see how it can be good for you and it's got to take it's toll over the years.
That's the only advice gh15 gives that I take issue with. Staying on tren forever will make forever a lot shorter. I feel fantastic but my bloodwork was shit. Now I'm forced to cruise on a TRT dose of test with 5iu of gh for a couple of months before getting tested again. I don't want plaque to build on my blood vessels over time. It sucks. My blood pressure is perfectly normal though.
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That's the only advice gh15 gives that I take issue with. Staying on tren forever will make forever a lot shorter. I feel fantastic but my bloodwork was shit. Now I'm forced to cruise on a TRT dose of test with 5iu of gh for a couple of months before getting tested again. I don't want plaque to build on my blood vessels over time. It sucks. My blood pressure is perfectly normal though.
I feel the same way. It just doesn't seem good for the heart. I think gh15 must be a great responder to everything. Guys at the top must not get the side effects as bad as us normal gym rats. I felt like shit on tren. Blood pressure issues not stamina felt like shit. I know I'm missing out not using it but I'm not turning pro or competeing anytime soon.
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but don't you lose muscle cells when you come off gh? Trying to figure out why the need to remove it when it comes to blowing up.
won't lose muscle, might lose size though, yeah.
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That's the only advice gh15 gives that I take issue with. Staying on tren forever will make forever a lot shorter. I feel fantastic but my bloodwork was shit. Now I'm forced to cruise on a TRT dose of test with 5iu of gh for a couple of months before getting tested again. I don't want plaque to build on my blood vessels over time. It sucks. My blood pressure is perfectly normal though.
I can't help but suspect that tren messes with your cardiovascular/respiratory system. Even gh15 will point someone out as a long time tren abuser because of that look of premature aging that guys like Branch, Raymond and that other short German guy who competes in the O has. That kind of dried out grizzled look. It's like it messes with your circulation and your body is not able to oxygenate itself efficiently. Branch is still in his 30s but can easily past as someone in his mid fifties.
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read the bible all writen there,,
for a short version for generation nothingness,,
hgh has window of oportunity to operate on ,, i swear i feel i talk to the wall of china here ,, hgh has window of opportunity i only said it milion times before...when you on it then get off it after few months of being on it...you have sometime where your body still THINKS its on hgh ,, it still have the muscle fibers that gh created ready to be nuked into new lean muscle tissue...
thissssssssssssss is where trenbolona ace comes...nothing to do with drynes per say ,, it dries you too ofcourse its a duretic trenbolona ace....but! it build and develop this lean muscle by the day after you primed body with legit gh ....thats when you need to bust in with the trenbolona ace and do it few weeks to couple months with out gh! so you see just how effortlesly ripped and then shredded you become while keeping every bit of size and increasing it ofcoruse since...your bodyfat goes down whiel muscle diameter remain same or even grow a little
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trenbolona mess with one thing,, YOUR HEAD ,, mental messness ,, it also doesnt happen fast it takes time ,, and no you are not becoming psyco kiler but you become irratable to be around ..kind of like gh15 on getbig ....arrogant mother fucker you want to punch in the head,, thats what hgh does to you ...it will mess your relashionships if not careful but....otherwize it is the best aas you can have as bodybuild,, it is superior to any thing around
ofcourse if you dotn feel good on it and your blood pressue is 200 on 100 ofcourse stop lol duh ,, your body will tell you very fast if it likes it or not ,, some can pull it very well ...some are very sensetive but its minority very very much minority ,, i still havent had ONCE IN MY LIFE DARK BROWNISH PEE,, alwys golden or white golden yellow or just plain white....and i done trenbolona in doses unimaginable to the human brain ,,
trenbolona is very good ofcourse if you see your blood presure is 180 over 110 and it never stabelize and its consistant ...duh stop ,, remember you need to be able to train lol you dont want to be a walking tomoato ...you shouldnt ,, i sugest you check your trenbolona ace if you get very high blood presure on it,, quality trenbolona ace dry you out and harden you up and really is i dont have a word to describe it ,,, it is simply the drug that make a ppodle into a pitball and BEAUTIFUL! pitball
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I think the reason tren makes these guys look so old in the face is because of the reduction of estrogen, estrogen is very important for healthy skin, polished sculpted muscle not so much. :D notice the pictures gh15 put up of lee priest when he was on daily tren ace injects and then the other pic of him looking shitty went off tren and went on deca dianabol testosterone combo, looked much younger. you cant expect to mature your muscle and not mature the face now can ya ;)
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Yes, it made a huge difference when i started, and appetite also increased. It has stayed that way, unless i play around with androgens.
At first when i was prescribed T4 by endocrinologist, the dosage was 50mcg (April 2011). I've had the dosages adjusted twice since then.
Once when i was off 1st cycle to 75mcg. I was recovering at this time from my 2nd cycle.
The strong the androgen i used - the more the TSH levels went south the blood work indicated.
Then again the dosage was adjusted when i added Tren E every 7 days Jan 4/12 to 100mcg.
Numbers were off the charts. I could feel the difference within a few days -- energy and appetite wise once commencing the dosage. Two weeks later did additional blood work to confirm and stayed at that dosage.
So it would appear from what you have said bro that adding t4 along with t3 is better than just upping the t3 on its own? Most people on here don't see any benefit of taking t4 just wondered about your take on this , as I could do the same at the moment as I have both on hand?
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read the bible all writen there,,
for a short version for generation nothingness,,
hgh has window of oportunity to operate on ,, i swear i feel i talk to the wall of china here ,, hgh has window of opportunity i only said it milion times before...when you on it then get off it after few months of being on it...you have sometime where your body still THINKS its on hgh ,, it still have the muscle fibers that gh created ready to be nuked into new lean muscle tissue...
thissssssssssssss is where trenbolona ace comes...nothing to do with drynes per say ,, it dries you too ofcourse its a duretic trenbolona ace....but! it build and develop this lean muscle by the day after you primed body with legit gh ....thats when you need to bust in with the trenbolona ace and do it few weeks to couple months with out gh! so you see just how effortlesly ripped and then shredded you become while keeping every bit of size and increasing it ofcoruse since...your bodyfat goes down whiel muscle diameter remain same or even grow a little
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trenbolona mess with one thing,, YOUR HEAD ,, mental messness ,, it also doesnt happen fast it takes time ,, and no you are not becoming psyco kiler but you become irratable to be around ..kind of like gh15 on getbig ....arrogant mother fucker you want to punch in the head,, thats what hgh does to you ...it will mess your relashionships if not careful but....otherwize it is the best aas you can have as bodybuild,, it is superior to any thing around
ofcourse if you dotn feel good on it and your blood pressue is 200 on 100 ofcourse stop lol duh ,, your body will tell you very fast if it likes it or not ,, some can pull it very well ...some are very sensetive but its minority very very much minority ,, i still havent had ONCE IN MY LIFE DARK BROWNISH PEE,, alwys golden or white golden yellow or just plain white....and i done trenbolona in doses unimaginable to the human brain ,,
trenbolona is very good ofcourse if you see your blood presure is 180 over 110 and it never stabelize and its consistant ...duh stop ,, remember you need to be able to train lol you dont want to be a walking tomoato ...you shouldnt ,, i sugest you check your trenbolona ace if you get very high blood presure on it,, quality trenbolona ace dry you out and harden you up and really is i dont have a word to describe it ,,, it is simply the drug that make a ppodle into a pitball and BEAUTIFUL! pitball
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Got it. Thanks for answering. My blood pressure doesn't change on tren but it fucks up my lips
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Got it. Thanks for answering. My blood pressure doesn't change on tren but it fucks up my lips
huh
so you have a pussy now? what lips?,,i dotn undrstand the enlgish
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huh
so you have a pussy now? what lips?,,i dotn undrstand the enlgish
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LOL I meant lipids as in cholesterol. I have a pussy in my mouth sometimes but it always belongs to an americano whore
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LOL I meant lipids as in cholesterol. I have a pussy in my mouth sometimes but it always belongs to an americano whore
Not sure I would be putting an americano whore's pussy in my mouth, never know which std she will give you.
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Not sure I would be putting an americano whore's pussy in my mouth, never know which std she will give you.
Done it over a hundred times. So far so good
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trenbolona mess with one thing,, YOUR HEAD ,, mental messness ,, it also doesnt happen fast it takes time ,, and no you are not becoming psyco kiler but you become irratable to be around ..kind of like gh15 on getbig ....arrogant mother fucker you want to punch in the head,, thats what hgh does to you ...it will mess your relashionships if not careful but....otherwize it is the best aas you can have as bodybuild,, it is superior to any thing around
ofcourse if you dotn feel good on it and your blood pressue is 200 on 100 ofcourse stop lol duh ,, your body will tell you very fast if it likes it or not ,, some can pull it very well ...some are very sensetive but its minority very very much minority ,, i still havent had ONCE IN MY LIFE DARK BROWNISH PEE,, alwys golden or white golden yellow or just plain white....and i done trenbolona in doses unimaginable to the human brain ,,
trenbolona is very good ofcourse if you see your blood presure is 180 over 110 and it never stabelize and its consistant ...duh stop ,, remember you need to be able to train lol you dont want to be a walking tomoato ...you shouldnt ,, i sugest you check your trenbolona ace if you get very high blood presure on it,, quality trenbolona ace dry you out and harden you up and really is i dont have a word to describe it ,,, it is simply the drug that make a ppodle into a pitball and BEAUTIFUL! pitball
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took your advice...I'm a little over one week into tren for my first time, my waiste is much tighter. It's wierd, every time I take a shot of tren ace in the morning my body changes at the end of the day. I didn't know a steroid could actually do this, this fast.
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Done it over a hundred times. So far so good
Yet I would be willing to bet 99% of these women you claim to have fucked are off plenty of fish, no? ... those girls are nasty they fuck new guys every weekend. All of them dude. Not something I would brag on a bodybuilding board about but each to their own
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Yet I would be willing to bet 99% of these women you claim to have fucked are off plenty of fish, no? ... those girls are nasty they fuck new guys every weekend. All of them dude. Not something I would brag on a bodybuilding board about but each to their own
no more like 20% and very few of them were easy. All were very attractive except one. The places on that site with all ugly hos and no hot girls are suburban towns. I live in a major city. God forbid someone on getbig actually pulls chicks
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no more like 20% and very few of them were easy. All were very attractive except one. The places on that site with all ugly hos and no hot girls are suburban towns. I live in a major city. God forbid someone on getbig actually pulls chicks
have you ever used the copy pasted pickup lines off bbing.com? i laugh my ass off at just how often those shitty pickups lines actually work on internet dating sites. some bro has an entire conversations with a girl without a single genuine thought of his own but he still gets the girls number or nudie pics
i think i still have the webpage with the entirety of all the compiled pickup lines
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have you ever used the copy pasted pickup lines off bbing.com? i laugh my ass off at just how often those shitty pickups lines actually work on internet dating sites. some bro has an entire conversations with a girl without a single genuine thought of his own but he still gets the girls number or nudie pics
i think i still have the webpage with the entirety of all the compiled pickup lines
haha no but i have seen those threads and they are hilarious in every way. I am very good with words and can be clever like that on my own, which really works in my favor. I'm good at job interviews too because of that skill
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took your advice...I'm a little over one week into tren for my first time, my waiste is much tighter. It's wierd, every time I take a shot of tren ace in the morning my body changes at the end of the day. I didn't know a steroid could actually do this, this fast.
The first time you use tren ace it feels like the first time louie saw arnold
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if there were any side efect on trenbolona ace beside psycological....we would already be all dead,, we profesional count on this drug like its water h20,, there are no efect beside psycological and ONLY psyciological and also after long high dose usage ,,
you cant avoid this hormone ,, im talking only trenblona ace for the rest we dont care for and dont use in current day and age,, back in the day trenbolona hex we did use...but! it was alwys trenboona ace that deliver what needed and always be trenbolona ace that wil deliver what needed,,
we are trenbolona ace addicts,, every day or every 2 day in jections usualy the more you inject the bteter you look ...not size wise! but condition wize...which guess what it mean? if your condition is better? what else is better? YOUR LEAN MUSCLE ! so there are astetics changes into the lower singles...but when you do it with out losing any size....guess what the body is actualy doing?
the body ....is ....actually ,, GROWING!
you cant avoid trenbolona ace,, with out it there is no modern bodybuilding,, and sadly many used much more than 500-700mg a week ,, MANY use 1-2 grams a week MANY!
trenbolona ace 500-700mg a week = finaly result of 195lb fella 6% dry usualy 5'9 or so ,, you realy in this level approach the max you can grow on steroids...but you can get to 205lb or so 5%...if you push the trenbolona ace higher,,after that...its all hgh and insulina
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GH15 to mitigate the Tren A psychological effects, how long do you typically go off for?
Is it replaced with something else at this stage to minimize losing the "look"?
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I think Trenbolone Hex is very great stuff! legit parabolin is magic. Its hard to find high grade Trenbolone hex(parabolin) and trenbolone enanthate is not bad it is good if you do not want to inject everyday, Tren E you can shoot EOD and get the same gains. Tren E is a very beutiful drug so is parabolin lovely stuff.
No personal experience except with Tren E. However, i hear the current Parabolan on market dosed 76mg/1cc is stronger than the Tren A. ??? Since many don't have access to Parabolan, there is not much anecdotal evidence. In this regard, best to look to the really experienced users - some of them swear by this.
Maybe in the future, i will give the Parabolan a try and definitely the next round is reserved for Tren A. One thing i am learning from trial and error is that the less duration between shots - more i am feeling it now, that burning feeling and more along the lines of what Tren A users report. I am shrinking on the scale, and loving the look. I have lost nearly 20lb of fat and water since Jan 4 start. I was up to 248lb on Test, Eq, dbol. The Test, eq, and dbol gave more quality and vascularity than the first cycle when i started off with the Test enan for 10 weeks. Later on in that cycle only got some quality when i added in 20mg var for 8 weeks. Other than that pictures resembled a blow fish until the addition of var. ::) On the Tren E in the beginning i was afraid of the sides. However, especially over the last 4-5 weeks since i have brought the duration of shots -- 200mg from every 7 days to 6 then 5 and now consistently every 4 days. I could imagine the eod shots as WW proposes - it would be even better.
To kick it up noche - adding Oral Winny for 50 days @50mg. Good mix? ???
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When you got the results of your poor functional Thyroid were you using only tren without t3 ?
No, i was on 75mcg T4 ed, and Tren 200mg, test 250mg, and eq 250mg every 7 days.
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Good question. I have a friend who is on gear constantly for years. Going on 8 years straight now.
Always has test enan in system at 500mg/wk -- sometimes more but pretty much sticks to 500mg/wk. Then he just eq and deca usually together at 600mg/wk each and orals (drol/dbol) 8wks in and out. Always goes off the orals before blood test and everything comes up fine.
For about the last year or so because of the Bible he's switch to just tren. Kept the Test but found when he used tren it really made a difference and it shows. So he just figure he'd drop the Eq and Deca as it doesn't do nearly as much at 600mg/ea then 500-700mg tren A from top chef.
His blood pressure is way up, other results like liver and kidneys are off and he generally feels like crap. No stamina or endurance. Heart rate always high. Can't walk up stairs without losing his breath. Just doesn't feel in shape anymore. Looks great, though. Very chiseled and vascular. Also, on a half of vial a day of NDs gh. Been using that brand for years and is happy with it.
If something makes you feel that bad. Has the same universal side effects. Then I can't see how it can be good for you and it's got to take it's toll over the years.
Since i am using Tren E - maybe we are comparing apples to oranges. However, my BP is better than perfect on it. It was 101/59. Heart rate remains elevated, cholesterol a little off - nothing out of the ordinary according to the doc. The compounding effect for the elevated heart rate is likely the clen/T3. But i hardly feel "bad". Probably, the best i have ever been able to function and workout since i been on cycle. Furthermore, BP also more likely dosage dependant, bloat, and BW. In all the anecdotal research i found something in common, that the lower the dosage of the test with Tren, the less the sides. That's the approach i am using. No problems with cardio, workouts, or getting winded running around.
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Since i am using Tren E - maybe we are comparing apples to oranges. However, my BP is better than perfect on it. It was 101/59. Heart rate remains elevated, cholesterol a little off - nothing out of the ordinary according to the doc. The compounding effect for the elevated heart rate is likely the clen/T3. But i hardly feel "bad". Probably, the best i have ever been able to function and workout since i been on cycle. Furthermore, BP also more likely dosage dependant, bloat, and BW. In all the anecdotal research i found something in common, that the lower the dosage of the test with Tren, the less the sides. That's the approach i am using. No problems with cardio, workouts, or getting winded running around.
Your using 200mg once a week. Thats not even comparing apples to oranges, thats a no comparison period.
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So it would appear from what you have said bro that adding t4 along with t3 is better than just upping the t3 on its own? Most people on here don't see any benefit of taking t4 just wondered about your take on this , as I could do the same at the moment as I have both on hand?
No actually i tried that approach using both, then got myself bloodwork. There is NO added benefit. It's best to use either or. When in a cutting phase, add in the T3 -- any dosage that works best for one. Otherwise, stick to the prescribed dosage on T4. Even the prescribed T4 dosage may have to be adjusted, as you introduce and take away stronger androgens. At this stage, always get yourself tested.
Furthermore, the T4 in my second cycle greatly helped alleviate the water bloat and general feeling of fatigue. On all AAS - natural TSH levels are lowered, so IMHO everyone can benefit either from a low dosage T3 replacement at 12.5mcg or and 50mcg T4. On the 1st cycle (Test/Var), i wasn't able to function properly some days, because of all the back and lower leg pains and debilitating pumps. I was holding a lot of water too at this stage - only finding later on my TSH levels were non existent. When i tried the same approach in 2nd cycle with Test, eq, & dbol- Test at higher dosages than 1st cycle, the problems were greatly mitigated. At this stage when i experimented with a T4 at 75mcg and T4 31.25mcg together, i felt sick and lethargic all the time - until i removed the T4. Henceforth, my reasoning for using one or the other.
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Your using 200mg once a week. Thats not even comparing apples to oranges, thats a no comparison period.
Yes that's what i started with. Now 200mg every 4 days.
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Yes that's what i started with. Now 200mg every 4 days.
Yes but when it comes to your above discussion about t4/t3 and when you got your blood test, you were on 200mg. Its relevant.
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Yes but when it comes to your above discussion about t4/t3 and when you got your blood test, you were on 200mg. Its relevant.
I have gotten multiple tests during this 7m cycle. When i did t4/t3 together, I was only on test, eq, & dbol -- NO tren E.
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I have gotten multiple tests during this 7m cycle. When i did t4/t3 together, I was only on test, eq, & dbol -- NO tren E.
Ah my mistake. Its fairly hard to even follow your posts, alot of info somewhat scatterd. Atleast thats my excuse ;D
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Ah my mistake. Its fairly hard to even follow your posts, alot of info somewhat scatterd. Atleast thats my excuse ;D
:)
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Your using 200mg once a week. Thats not even comparing apples to oranges, thats a no comparison period.
lol why in the fuck would someone use 200mg of ANY ugl compound blows my mind. I was told as a rule of thumb by a national competitor: take 1 gram of every ugl product you touch or don't waste your time.
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200mg strngo trenbolonas ace is stronger than any pharma grade steroid you EVER TOOK ,, ever! even 100mg of his ...
its not trrue what the competitor told you ,, depends on the chef and q2uality of powders
if you use 100mg of strngo anadrolas for 2 week you really feel its too much for the average gymasium rat,,
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I was on tren for 6 months and my bloodwork looked like shit, so I'd love to hear why you think it is ok to never come off tren and expect to not cut off any time on your lifespan. My HDL was 17 and everything else was just bad
Can you explain why you remove HGH and then increase the tren dose? I don't get that part
aren't you into narcotics, and a fairly heavy drinker? You also eat like shit from what I've read how much fish do you eat? bananas?...no shit it's gonna be fucked up. IF you eat sleep live like a bodybuilder you won't get those problems on any steroids, stop making me paranoid I dont like it.
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Is EQ not useless at such a low dose? I thought you needed it at 700-800 min/wk
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Is EQ not useless at such a low dose? I thought you needed it at 700-800 min/wk
you should use EQ at least 900mg a week. It's not testosterone where you can get by with 500mg, boldenone has a very low affinity to the androgen receptor.
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aren't you into narcotics, and a fairly heavy drinker? You also eat like shit from what I've read how much fish do you eat? bananas?...no shit it's gonna be fucked up. IF you eat sleep live like a bodybuilder you won't get those problems on any steroids, stop making me paranoid I dont like it.
You probably have me confused with someone else. I've never touched a drug or cigarettes in my life, but I do drink like a typical guy in his 20s socially (little less actually). I eat clean mostly but have one or two big cheat meals a day since I get away with it but never touch desserts or candy. I don't eat fish or bananas though, except for the occasional sushi. Trust me it was from 6 months of tren and prop going from 560mg-700mg of each throughout that time
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lol why in the fuck would someone use 200mg of ANY ugl compound blows my mind. I was told as a rule of thumb by a national competitor: take 1 gram of every ugl product you touch or don't waste your time.
all tren is ugl though :-\
and i dont think you NEED a gram of tren to not be wasting your time :o
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lol why in the fuck would someone use 200mg of ANY ugl compound blows my mind. I was told as a rule of thumb by a national competitor: take 1 gram of every ugl product you touch or don't waste your time.
Not everything has to be used at abusive dosages for it to be effective. In fact, i have had my stuff lab tested. I had choices from the top 4 UG - went with only 1 after testing. If they say 200mg, it's 200mg per CC. First thing i ever got from **** was clen, i had that tested at a police lab. Then i had Test E tested - followed by Test cyp. It was exactly what it said it was. Many are willing to throw away a thousand dollars or so on a cycle, yet to cheap to get it tested. ::) Some of you clearly need to complete your education and get good jobs, then you will have no worries.
I used 200mg Tren E for almost 8 weeks every 7 days **, then i tapered down to every 4 day shots. It did a tremendous job. Maybe you or anyone for that matter should change your UG lab, if the only time you're getting results is at 1000mg+.
I have used HG test, UG test - i found no difference. I have used HG clomid, Nolva, cypionate, no difference from the UG lab. I have vet grade Winstrol depot directly from Sandoz - the UG Winstrol depot as well as orals -- are comparable in every way. Trust the people you deal with. Don't try to short change them. It will be reflected in the product.
If you want a no frills product, that is exactly what you are getting and will be getting. I pay premium for everything. I mean everything. What some of you pay for 10 GH kits i pay for 10 bottles of test. Cost is not a factor to me, as it is to most you. I see this as an investment. I'd like to save for sure if i can, but will never compromise quality over quantity and saving $100 or even a $1000.
YOU GET WHAT YOU PAY FOR!
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Is EQ not useless at such a low dose? I thought you needed it at 700-800 min/wk
I used vet grade and UG grade eq at 500-600mg per week alongside no test at first then 250mg, them 500mg, and then a blend of 800mg on this cycle. Eq works well, i tried up to 750mg. Hematocrit levels increased too much at anything over 625mg per week for me.
Furthermore, to those that question the UG labs and having to use higher dosages - find a new chef. I used both vet grade and UG. I found no difference. I did not get the eq tested this time. I have been using the same people for a long time, i have faith and trust in them.
Since i tend to look like a blow fish on test alone anything above 250mg per week, i chose Eq over Deca for the 2nd cycle. For those contemplating Eq - here's a little primer. The Eq did wonders for me. I kept a lean look with vascularity throughout the cycle, until i added dbol (& upped test to 800mg) twice in the first 4 months for up to 4-5 weeks each time. For the first time, Eq clearly separated all the muscles in the legs with veins all over. Overall, i found Eq to be quite slow. The physical effects are not seen till a minimum 6-8 weeks. The longer i used the better it got. So have patience when using it.
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Maybe my genes are shit, but I would die young if I stayed on Tren constantly.
It messes with my BP and heart rate, and destroys my lipids.
I feel that the only steroid that you can safely stay on non stop is testosterone.
Of course many will disagree, but I just feel that you should never be constantly on a drug
that your body doesn't produce on its own. Even test itself can lead to health problems,
some guys can't even tolerate HRT.
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Maybe my genes are shit, but I would die young if I stayed on Tren constantly.
It messes with my BP and heart rate, and destroys my lipids.
I feel that the only steroid that you can safely stay on non stop is testosterone.
Of course many will disagree, but I just feel that you should never be constantly on a drug
that your body doesn't produce on its own. Even test itself can lead to health problems,
some guys can't even tolerate HRT.
I believe like with any drug, that one has to build a tolerance. I have come across some anecdotal evidence where users of Tren have no problem using it for half or most of the year. Here on GB, GH15 serves as our primary example of long term usage. There must be a few more users who report no sides or very minimal at best. Not everyone gets the sides to the extremes.
Personally, on Tren for 3 months now, at first when i had Creatine in there my BP was elevated. After cessation of CM, BP has been perfect. Heart rate is a little elevated as i am on T3 and Clen, so i cannot point the finger at the Tren E for now. Also a little insomnia, other than that before starting Tren E, i was afraid of some of things reported by users. Furthermore, switching up to Tren A in the next few weeks, I'll note the differences and report them then.