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Title: first visit to doctor about roids, he tried to scare me but my BP IS HIGH
Post by: irishdave on April 05, 2012, 02:00:59 AM
Been cycling for 2.5yrs or so and this is the first time I've went for a full bloodwork.
Current cycle started 10 days ago - 150mg tren/300mg prop/800mg eq (dropping it to 400mg eq)

NEW doctor, never met him before. Basically, I went in the door and he asked what was wrong, I said nothing and said I wanted a full blood test and told him my exact cycle when he wrote down. He was obviously unimpressed from the moment I mentioned gear. Told me his first advice is to go off. Then he checked my BP and it was 160/110. I've always had sorta high blood pressure even before gear. It doesn't bother me too much now but it will in the future. He said he thinks I should go on meds for the BP when I go back to Holland (I'm just home in Ireland for a week) so I should go to a doctor over there and get monitored regularly seeing as I live there most of the time.
He really laid it out to me in simple terms that roids are bad, etc. and to give them up. The usual shit. I've always known my BP was high but never bothered with it too much. BTW I'm 27 years of age. I think fish oils were helping but I haven't used them in a month or two and just got some more.
I think maybe I'm going to first try hawthorn berry, fish oils, coq10 and more cardio. Don't really want to give up juicing.


Title: Re: first visit to doctor about roids, he tried to scare me but my BP IS HIGH
Post by: bigjim on April 05, 2012, 02:03:46 AM
You're probably going to die soon. Sorry.


Title: Re: first visit to doctor about roids, he tried to scare me but my BP IS HIGH
Post by: irishdave on April 05, 2012, 02:06:17 AM
You're probably going to die soon. Sorry.

Nice!


Title: Re: first visit to doctor about roids, he tried to scare me but my BP IS HIGH
Post by: bigjim on April 05, 2012, 02:10:40 AM
Nice!

 ;D Last time I went to my dr I told him I was using, he asked what and when I told him he had no idea what I was talking about I simplified it by saying anabolic steroids that he understood. Most Drs dont know fuck all about gear they just use the old, "its not good for you blah blah blah" sounds like its come straight from a medical text book. Your BP does seem high though might want to do some more cardio?


Title: Re: first visit to doctor about roids, he tried to scare me but my BP IS HIGH
Post by: Sector on April 05, 2012, 02:13:35 AM
Donate blood every 2 months and add Celery seed extract to your list, probly the best otc for your BP. Baby asprin 1 ED before bed as well.

I keep mine under control on test/t3 with the above and fish oil/coq10 as well. Hawthorn berries I dont care for.


Title: Re: first visit to doctor about roids, he tried to scare me but my BP IS HIGH
Post by: irishdave on April 05, 2012, 02:16:00 AM
;D Last time I went to my dr I told him I was using, he asked what and when I told him he had no idea what I was talking about I simplified it by saying anabolic steroids that he understood. Most Drs dont know fuck all about gear they just use the old, "its not good for you blah blah blah" sounds like its come straight from a medical text book. Your BP does seem high though might want to do some more cardio?

That's it exactly I know the clown doesn't know much about roids but when someone is as adamant as he was about it, it puts doubt in your mind. But I know my BP is high. I'm going to do cardio right now actually and really add in BP supps to see if I can get it down without meds first.


Title: Re: first visit to doctor about roids, he tried to scare me but my BP IS HIGH
Post by: irishdave on April 05, 2012, 02:16:40 AM
Donate blood every 2 months and add Celery seed extract to your list, probly the best otc for your BP. Baby asprin 1 ED before bed as well.

I keep mine under control on test/t3 with the above and fish oil/coq10 as well. Hawthorn berries I dont care for.

OK, thanks for the advice I'll look for celery seed extract when I'm in town later.


Title: Re: first visit to doctor about roids, he tried to scare me but my BP IS HIGH
Post by: The Grim Lifter on April 05, 2012, 02:18:20 AM
That's it exactly I know the clown doesn't know much about roids but when someone is as adamant as he was about it, it puts doubt in your mind. But I know my BP is high. I'm going to do cardio right now actually and really add in BP supps to see if I can get it down without meds first.

How does he look? Does he train or eat as clean as you? You can have a go right back  ;)


Title: Re: first visit to doctor about roids, he tried to scare me but my BP IS HIGH
Post by: irishdave on April 05, 2012, 02:22:34 AM
How does he look? Does he train or eat as clean as you? You can have a go right back  ;)

I don't eat clean though :p

He was a 55yr old twink in a suit. Ex-cyclist, nuff said. Nice guy but used scare tactics a bit too much during the consultation, I mean he repeated 3-4 times to give up roids.


Title: Re: first visit to doctor about roids, he tried to scare me but my BP IS HIGH
Post by: liberty on April 05, 2012, 02:27:12 AM
160/110 at 27 years old ?
Not good bro....
Lets see......should I listen to an MD or should I buy some celery seed    ::)


Title: Re: first visit to doctor about roids, he tried to scare me but my BP IS HIGH
Post by: irishdave on April 05, 2012, 02:33:06 AM
160/110 at 27 years old ?
Not good bro....
Lets see......should I listen to an MD or should I buy some celery seed    ::)

I think I can get it down naturally. Last weekend and during this week I snorted a bit coke, smoked quite a bit of weed and drank a lot last weekend. This definitely will not be helping the readings. I'm not in denial about it that's why I'm going to try the natural route first for a week or so.


Title: Re: first visit to doctor about roids, he tried to scare me but my BP IS HIGH
Post by: liberty on April 05, 2012, 02:49:36 AM
Dude be careful.......roids ,coke,weed,booze......dangerous bro.
Train to be healthy and don't kill yourself.
Good luck


Title: Re: first visit to doctor about roids, he tried to scare me but my BP IS HIGH
Post by: irishdave on April 05, 2012, 02:51:01 AM
Dude be careful.......roids ,coke,weed,booze......dangerous bro.
Train to be healthy and don't kill yourself.
Good luck

I rarely do coke. The weed is something I'm dropping and the coke won't be there anymore except rare occasions. The booze will stay but I'm cutting it down.


Title: Re: first visit to doctor about roids, he tried to scare me but my BP IS HIGH
Post by: makaveli25 on April 05, 2012, 04:34:46 AM
It's the shit your on bro. Tren Equipose doesn't matter what support supplements you take some people just get high blood pressure with those compounds. I had to give both tren and equipose up it sucks but I never have blood pressure problems anymore. Test, masteron, primo, npp, those all work for me without skyrocketing bp. When I was on tren I had the same blood pressure as you. At freaken 24 years old. It was the tren making it high. If you don't want to give them up you have to add a beta blocker or something. But beleive me I tried every supplement there is to bring it down and nothing worked!


Title: Re: first visit to doctor about roids, he tried to scare me but my BP IS HIGH
Post by: gym**rat on April 05, 2012, 04:42:52 AM
160/110 at 27 years old ?
Not good bro....
Lets see......should I listen to an MD or should I buy some celery seed    ::)

X100000000


Title: Re: first visit to doctor about roids, he tried to scare me but my BP IS HIGH
Post by: Euro-monster on April 05, 2012, 04:54:40 AM
Dave...when you get back to Holland go to this website...  http://www.vumc.nl (http://www.vumc.nl)
Its the website of the hospital with a anabolics poli where you can make a apointment with an endo who can answer all of your questions about roid usage!
He can do all the bloodwork and steer you in the right direction with your roid use buddy.
Im not saying that the doctor you went to in Irland isnt any good but im talking about a specialist about roids and hgh.
Listen to the specialist i always say... ;)

ps...keep me informed bro...


Title: Re: first visit to doctor about roids, he tried to scare me but my BP IS HIGH
Post by: ChevChelios on April 05, 2012, 06:11:54 AM
It's the shit your on bro. Tren Equipose doesn't matter what support supplements you take some people just get high blood pressure with those compounds. I had to give both tren and equipose up it sucks but I never have blood pressure problems anymore. Test, masteron, primo, npp, those all work for me without skyrocketing bp. When I was on tren I had the same blood pressure as you. At freaken 24 years old. It was the tren making it high. If you don't want to give them up you have to add a beta blocker or something. But beleive me I tried every supplement there is to bring it down and nothing worked!

i got 120/75 constant on 500 mg tren-a and some small test.Coupled with some t3.You guys have really high pressure...I think i'll drop the tren and replace it with 600EQ for cruising a while,going to see if BP stays the same or rises...


Title: Re: first visit to doctor about roids, he tried to scare me but my BP IS HIGH
Post by: irishdave on April 05, 2012, 08:12:04 AM
Dave...when you get back to Holland go to this website...  http://www.vumc.nl (http://www.vumc.nl)
Its the website of the hospital with a anabolics poli where you can make a apointment with an endo who can answer all of your questions about roid usage!
He can do all the bloodwork and steer you in the right direction with your roid use buddy.
Im not saying that the doctor you went to in Irland isnt any good but im talking about a specialist about roids and hgh.
Listen to the specialist i always say... ;)

ps...keep me informed bro...

Cool man I'll give you a shout when I get back


Title: Re: first visit to doctor about roids, he tried to scare me but my BP IS HIGH
Post by: irishdave on April 05, 2012, 08:14:26 AM
It's the shit your on bro. Tren Equipose doesn't matter what support supplements you take some people just get high blood pressure with those compounds. I had to give both tren and equipose up it sucks but I never have blood pressure problems anymore. Test, masteron, primo, npp, those all work for me without skyrocketing bp. When I was on tren I had the same blood pressure as you. At freaken 24 years old. It was the tren making it high. If you don't want to give them up you have to add a beta blocker or something. But beleive me I tried every supplement there is to bring it down and nothing worked!

Did you try beta blockers with the tren?


Title: Re: first visit to doctor about roids, he tried to scare me but my BP IS HIGH
Post by: AlphaMaleDawg on April 05, 2012, 08:14:55 AM
Been cycling for 2.5yrs or so and this is the first time I've went for a full bloodwork.
Current cycle started 10 days ago - 150mg tren/300mg prop/800mg eq (dropping it to 400mg eq)

NEW doctor, never met him before. Basically, I went in the door and he asked what was wrong, I said nothing and said I wanted a full blood test and told him my exact cycle when he wrote down. He was obviously unimpressed from the moment I mentioned gear. Told me his first advice is to go off. Then he checked my BP and it was 160/110. I've always had sorta high blood pressure even before gear. It doesn't bother me too much now but it will in the future. He said he thinks I should go on meds for the BP when I go back to Holland (I'm just home in Ireland for a week) so I should go to a doctor over there and get monitored regularly seeing as I live there most of the time.
He really laid it out to me in simple terms that roids are bad, etc. and to give them up. The usual shit. I've always known my BP was high but never bothered with it too much. BTW I'm 27 years of age. I think fish oils were helping but I haven't used them in a month or two and just got some more.
I think maybe I'm going to first try hawthorn berry, fish oils, coq10 and more cardio. Don't really want to give up juicing.


pretty much the same thing happened with me. doctors don't know shit. they will read you the same shit you hear about how roids are bad but they aren't even aware there is more than one possible steroid you can take. They've never heard of nandrolone, tren, or any of that shit. just testosterone


Title: Re: first visit to doctor about roids, he tried to scare me but my BP IS HIGH
Post by: irishdave on April 05, 2012, 08:19:27 AM
pretty much the same thing happened with me. doctors don't know shit. they will read you the same shit you hear about how roids are bad but they aren't even aware there is more than one possible steroid you can take. They've never heard of nandrolone, tren, or any of that shit. just testosterone

Of course, man. He hadn't a fuckin notion what I was talking about when I mentioned the tren or eq, I didn't expect him to. But he was just obviously stubbornly against roids and hadn't a clue about them - just the usual "you're setting yourself up for a stroke, etc" which I possibly am if I don't get the BP in check though.


Title: Re: first visit to doctor about roids, he tried to scare me but my BP IS HIGH
Post by: notsureifsrs on April 05, 2012, 09:31:56 AM
Please edit your first post  and mention that you:
do coke (sometimes)
smoke weed
drink alcohol
don't eat clean

and maybe tell that to your doc too
because reading your first post gives the impression that AAS is the only factor for your high BP,
but now we got a whole different story.


Title: Re: first visit to doctor about roids, he tried to scare me but my BP IS HIGH
Post by: Overload on April 07, 2012, 09:38:20 AM
It's the shit your on bro. Tren Equipose doesn't matter what support supplements you take some people just get high blood pressure with those compounds. I had to give both tren and equipose up it sucks but I never have blood pressure problems anymore. Test, masteron, primo, npp, those all work for me without skyrocketing bp. When I was on tren I had the same blood pressure as you. At freaken 24 years old. It was the tren making it high. If you don't want to give them up you have to add a beta blocker or something. But beleive me I tried every supplement there is to bring it down and nothing worked!

Good post.

Tren and EQ make my BP skyrocket. My normal BP is around 120/40.


8)


Title: Re: first visit to doctor about roids, he tried to scare me but my BP IS HIGH
Post by: randy841 on April 07, 2012, 11:39:38 PM
Then he checked my BP and it was 160/110. I've always had sorta high blood pressure even before gear.

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I rarely do coke. The weed is something I'm dropping and the coke won't be there anymore except rare occasions. The booze will stay but I'm cutting it down.

At 160/110 bp - you are a walking time bomb in medical terms. Get on some meds immediately, if at least on cycle. Your age is not doing you any favors with alcohol and narcotic abuse. The hypertension (genetic predisposition) has likely compromised your kidneys already, and will only accelerate damage with hormone usage.

Got a colleague with 180/100 bp. He's been in denial for the last 7 years -- until this year. He finally heeded the last warning about hypertension being the #1 silent killer - with age catching up to him. He's not juicing either.


Title: Re: first visit to doctor about roids, he tried to scare me but my BP IS HIGH
Post by: darkrid3r on April 10, 2012, 07:14:52 AM
I was almost kicked out of one clinic, and told 3 times from 3 doctors that they wont help or monitor me.

Health care is free here, but they wont help. BItches.

On the 4th attempt I found a guy.
"thats a nice dose that wont kill you"

Seen him 4-5 times now, I also asked him "how much could I do before its bad"
He said "thats like an alchaholic asking me how much they can drink before their liver fails"

We both had a chuckle...and off I went.

Keep you chin up, you will find one eventually that will give you a hand.


Title: Re: first visit to doctor about roids, he tried to scare me but my BP IS HIGH
Post by: El Diablo Blanco on April 10, 2012, 07:25:04 AM
There are  a LOT more factors involved than what you are on.  When one guy says I took 500mg of tren and my BP was 120 and another says I took 500mg and my bp was 160.

So what the diff?  Well let's compare these two dudes.  Is the 120 guy someone who has always been twink, weighs 160 and is always lean where the 160 guy is a lot taller weighs 230, can be lean but struggles to stay lean.

how about the 120 guy. Does he work? Does he live at grandmas and play PS3 all day vs 160 guy who works, has more life stresses and other outside factors.

There's more to life causing high BP than just tren usage.


Title: Re: first visit to doctor about roids, he tried to scare me but my BP IS HIGH
Post by: deadz on April 10, 2012, 05:10:13 PM
Been cycling for 2.5yrs or so and this is the first time I've went for a full bloodwork.
Current cycle started 10 days ago - 150mg tren/300mg prop/800mg eq (dropping it to 400mg eq)

NEW doctor, never met him before. Basically, I went in the door and he asked what was wrong, I said nothing and said I wanted a full blood test and told him my exact cycle when he wrote down. He was obviously unimpressed from the moment I mentioned gear. Told me his first advice is to go off. Then he checked my BP and it was 160/110. I've always had sorta high blood pressure even before gear. It doesn't bother me too much now but it will in the future. He said he thinks I should go on meds for the BP when I go back to Holland (I'm just home in Ireland for a week) so I should go to a doctor over there and get monitored regularly seeing as I live there most of the time.
He really laid it out to me in simple terms that roids are bad, etc. and to give them up. The usual shit. I've always known my BP was high but never bothered with it too much. BTW I'm 27 years of age. I think fish oils were helping but I haven't used them in a month or two and just got some more.
I think maybe I'm going to first try hawthorn berry, fish oils, coq10 and more cardio. Don't really want to give up juicing.

Losartan  8)


Title: Re: first visit to doctor about roids, he tried to scare me but my BP IS HIGH
Post by: j_mtl on April 14, 2012, 05:05:36 AM
Equip is well know to cause a little spike on bp...tren will shift ur cholest. levels...try some fish oils and get in some bp medication... u will up your doses event anyways why take a chance....no point in delaying the inevitable,also u may be experience some anxiety...benzos will help you with that. ;)


Title: Re: first visit to doctor about roids, he tried to scare me but my BP IS HIGH
Post by: irishdave on April 17, 2012, 07:54:01 AM
My kidneys came in slightly elevated. I cannot get on getbig from home (still some problem with the servers) and I don't have the results here in work with me.
All my bloods were good, even my liver was good (surprisingly). Kidneys were mildly high on creatinine levels I recall. Cholesterol fine too. Kidneys were his only concern in the letter he sent me. I have to go to a GP here in Holland now and get more of a monitoring.

He put me on 1 tab of Tritace bp med every day (2.5mg/day) just to get my BP down for now. I feel better already but I need to clean myself up


Title: Re: first visit to doctor about roids, he tried to scare me but my BP IS HIGH
Post by: irishdave on April 17, 2012, 07:58:17 AM
Losartan  8)

I've heard of this. For some reason I have a fear of BP meds? But looking at side-effects online there doesn't seem to be many...why the hell am I afraid of taking BP meds when I take roids? I guess it's you don't wanna admit to yourself at 27 you have high BP.
I'll take the BP meds for now and see how I feel to lower/come off when I'm off cycle while monitoring the BP daily/weekly at home.