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Getbig Bodybuilding Boards => Steroids Info & Hardcore => Topic started by: anab0lic on April 09, 2012, 04:54:02 PM
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I love tren, i get great results the problem is i kinda plateaued at 100mg ed and had to start taking the dosage higher to carry on growing...which worked.... but i just feel like shit most of the time at 200+mg ed.... what I'm wondering is how does NPP compare and do the two work well together? Lets say I did 100mg tren ED which is a dosage i can tolerate the sides at....then ran 200mg npp ed along side it?
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I love tren, i get great results the problem is i kinda plateaued at 100mg ed and had to start taking the dosage higher to carry on growing...which worked.... but i just feel like shit most of the time at 200+mg ed.... what I'm wondering is how does NPP compare and do the two work well together? Lets say I did 100mg tren ED which is a dosage i can tolerate the sides at....then ran 200mg npp ed along side it?
So you have never run more then 200mg ED of a 19 nor and you want to run 300mg ED of 19 nors, whilst running 200mg ED of NPP itself on your first time use? Or was that an example and I am being a dick? Seems like a rather high example :P
Yes they would work well together depending on your goals. They would give a unique look thats for sure.
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you plateud on 700MG npp,, im sorry brotha i have to ask what is your height, weight and bf % and caloric intake,, I just do not believe that I have used 400-600 for over a year and still make great gains in 6-8 week periods,,
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Jesus 200 mgs of npp a day! Hope you don't mind fluid retention
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So you have never run more then 200mg ED of a 19 nor and you want to run 300mg ED of 19 nors, whilst running 200mg ED of NPP itself on your first time use? Or was that an example and I am being a dick? Seems like a rather high example :P
Yes they would work well together depending on your goals. They would give a unique look thats for sure.
well my reasoning is, from what i have read, npp doesnt give you alot of the harsh sides that tren does... I want continual growth without all the mental problems i suffer with at higher dosages of tren... and with npp supposedly being not as potent as tren mg for mg I thought better go with 200 vs 100 to get the kind of strength gains and growth I'm after. :D
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adding the 2 together will increase the mental side effects of it, atleast for me, it feels like adding the 2 together synergistically made the sides worse.
test, d-bol, anadrol are good additions to tren. obviously, gh and insulin as well but that's a different area of discussion
question: how are you defining your gains and determining if you are still "gaining"? if you are going off the scale and the weights on the bar, it might be a bit misleading because more steroids = more water retention in the muscle and also more strength - doesn't mean you aren't still growing simply because your body's weight and strength slowed down from the higher dosage.
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well my reasoning is, from what i have read, npp doesnt give you alot of the harsh sides that tren does... I want continual growth without all the mental problems i suffer with at higher dosages of tren... and with npp supposedly being not as potent as tren mg for mg I thought better go with 200 vs 100 to get the kind of strength gains and growth I'm after. :D
Just putting this out there, there are other compounds then tren. If you need a break take a break, yes you will lose the tren look but you can still gain with other compounds. Is tren ideal? Yes, always but its not going to kill your muscle to spend 6 weeks on some NPP and abombs or something once or twice out of the year. Even GH15 says you will need a break from tren for your mental well being.
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adding the 2 together will increase the mental side effects of it, atleast for me, it feels like adding the 2 together synergistically made the sides worse.
test, d-bol, anadrol are good additions to tren. obviously, gh and insulin as well but that's a different area of discussion
question: how are you defining your gains and determining if you are still "gaining"? if you are going off the scale and the weights on the bar, it might be a bit misleading because more steroids = more water retention in the muscle and also more strength - doesn't mean you aren't still growing simply because your body's weight and strength slowed down from the higher dosage.
Love to run some GH just not really doable in my current financial situation, adrol I am considering but seems to be another great drug that comes with some of the worst sides....
I never go by scale weight, i think its a horribly misleading tool to measure progress..... best gauge of how well things are going for me is am i getting stonger week to week. when i go several weeks and i cant add a single rep or more weight and my diets on point its pretty much time to add more drugs....
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adding the 2 together will increase the mental side effects of it, atleast for me, it feels like adding the 2 together synergistically made the sides worse.
test, d-bol, anadrol are good additions to tren. obviously, gh and insulin as well but that's a different area of discussion
question: how are you defining your gains and determining if you are still "gaining"? if you are going off the scale and the weights on the bar, it might be a bit misleading because more steroids = more water retention in the muscle and also more strength - doesn't mean you aren't still growing simply because your body's weight and strength slowed down from the higher dosage.
What's your opinion of t-bol? Running low prop tren and EQ. Wanna drop the EQ soon until I lean out some more. Ideally would love to add mast but thought about adding t-bol. Don't mean to hijack your thread either op
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deca is better for muscle growth than NPP. I recall a study showing longer ester with nandrolone the better, also take as big a shot as possible.
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Just putting this out there, there are other compounds then tren. If you need a break take a break, yes you will lose the tren look but you can still gain with other compounds. Is tren ideal? Yes, always but its not going to kill your muscle to spend 6 weeks on some NPP and abombs or something once or twice out of the year. Even GH15 says you will need a break from tren for your mental well being.
Yeah, this is good advice and probably what ill end up doing.... 12 weeks tren - 6-8 weeks npp (maybe alongside some other stuff), rinse repeat.... ive been on tren non stop for about 5 months now, I really need a break... changes my personality alot, fallen out with alot of close friends over stupid shit, i dont sleep well, feel lethargic most of the time, libido isnt great.... even with test prop @ 50mg daily...
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Yeah, this is good advice and probably what ill end up doing.... 12 weeks tren - 6-8 weeks npp (maybe alongside some other stuff), rinse repeat.... ive been on tren non stop for about 5 months now, I really need a break... changes my personality alot, fallen out with alot of close friends over stupid shit, i dont sleep well, feel lethargic most of the time, libido isnt great.... even with test prop @ 50mg daily...
Hgh fixes alot of that :P atleast for me it has.
You could cut your doses in half and be able to afford atleast 4iu ED. Neways... yea when it gets to that point you need a little break, even 2 weeks can do wonders for you.
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deca is better for muscle growth than NPP. I recall a study showing longer ester with nandrolone the better, also take as big a shot as possible.
I've read exactly the opposite and that deca has no advantage over npp
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Ask me in 6 months.
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I'm kind of in the same boat. I don't want to add to my tren dosage next time I blast when it was already 700mg. I think I'm going to add npp 100mg ED alongside it next time. 200mg would be crazy to just go right into it
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I am rocking on 80mg/tren/day and 400mg cyp/week
only way I could get better results on my budget and with min. sides is to get some drol and rock out 75mg/day
that is a fucking 8 week cycle right there!
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npp and tren are different animals
npp will puff skin up, trenbolona ace thin is down!
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I've read exactly the opposite and that deca has no advantage over npp
honestly I would stay away from deca all together, it's just not a safe steroid. It's been shown to be eleven times more damaging to the blood vessels as testosterone, as well as damaging human DNA, one of the only drugs I know of next to stanazolol that has this effect. Another wierd thing...I ran 900mg deca last cycle, and I shit you not my Jaw grew. Like a noticable half inch the actual fucking bone not the muscle, kind of scared me a bit, I'm done with that shit. Besides Eq is better...
http://www.ergo-log.com/nandrolonemostefficient.html
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I've read exactly the opposite and that deca has no advantage over npp
Deca is the best mass builder EVER CREATED POINT BLANK PERIOD.. NPP IS THE SAME THING IT JUST REACTS QUICKER< HITS HARDER AND ALLOWS YOU TO HOLD LESS WATER
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I've read exactly the opposite and that deca has no advantage over npp
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ditto. Scoured various steroid forums for as much info as I could on npp, general consensus seems that npp > deca. Less sides @ higher dosgaes , less bloat, better strength gains.... I'm too impatient to run long esters anyways and if i plan on switching back and forth between tren and npp that could cause problems...
I may try 100mg tren /150mg npp ED and some drol see how things pan out.. if the sides are still to much, its time off completely from tren for me or maybe as low as 50mg ed with 200 npp. One of the nice things about npp is you can run more test alongside it...which i just feel better on tbh + more libido... doesnt work out so well when you try that with tren.
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what if you cant find NPP?!? I can find DECA everywhere! and hows deca/dbol?? have some of both sittin on the shelf, thought Id try it out cause its there!!
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what if you cant find NPP?!? I can find DECA everywhere! and hows deca/dbol?? have some of both sittin on the shelf, thought Id try it out cause its there!!
Does seem to be a little harder to source - at least in my area.
You'll probably get a pm in the next few mins ;D
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What's your opinion of t-bol? Running low prop tren and EQ. Wanna drop the EQ soon until I lean out some more. Ideally would love to add mast but thought about adding t-bol. Don't mean to hijack your thread either op
i don't think t-bol is very good but it's one of those drugs where if sides are less than with anavar, people would run t-bol. but it's pretty mild and not one of the drugs that works synergistically with tren/deca, like d-bol or anadrol does
depends on your goals i guess
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honestly I would stay away from deca all together, it's just not a safe steroid. It's been shown to be eleven times more damaging to the blood vessels as testosterone, as well as damaging human DNA, one of the only drugs I know of next to stanazolol that has this effect. Another wierd thing...I ran 900mg deca last cycle, and I shit you not my Jaw grew. Like a noticable half inch the actual fucking bone not the muscle, kind of scared me a bit, I'm done with that shit. Besides Eq is better...
http://www.ergo-log.com/nandrolonemostefficient.html
Cant possibly be bone growth.
I have read that some AAS will effect the soft tissues in teh jaw area giving temporary growth which subsides once you come off.
I have noticed this effect with myself.
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NPP and Tren are in my top 3 favorite.
They are polar opposites for me....
NPP for growing and getting strong.
Tren for holding mass and shedding fat.
I can grow, cut, or get strong on either of them, but I get optimum use out of
them by using them the way I outlined.
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Cant possibly be bone growth.
I have read that some AAS will effect the soft tissues in teh jaw area giving temporary growth which subsides once you come off.
I have noticed this effect with myself.
What do you mean it cant be bone growth? Have you looked at the dude's from pumping iron, look at the distinguished jaw all the heavy dbol users possessed, with the gap teeth.
I sware on my mother's life, it was bone growth I even took pictures to make sure I wasn't loosing my mind. I'm still 19 so I probably wasn't finished growing though, i doubt it could happen for an adult when the growth plates are sealed.
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http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8021946?dopt=Abstract
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What do you mean it cant be bone growth? Have you looked at the dude's from pumping iron, look at the distinguished jaw all the heavy dbol users possessed, with the gap teeth.
I sware on my mother's life, it was bone growth I even took pictures to make sure I wasn't loosing my mind. I'm still 19 so I probably wasn't finished growing though, i doubt it could happen for an adult when the growth plates are sealed.
Yes, dbol has that effect...many here will say that it's non sense, but i've seen it first hand myself.
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Yes, dbol has that effect...many here will say that it's non sense, but i've seen it first hand myself.
i believe it has to do with a combination of huge spikes in androgen levels that come with dbol, as well as it's ability to raise growth hormone levels more so than other steroids.
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ditto. Scoured various steroid forums for as much info as I could on npp, general consensus seems that npp > deca. Less sides @ higher dosgaes , less bloat, better strength gains.... I'm too impatient to run long esters anyways and if i plan on switching back and forth between tren and npp that could cause problems...
I may try 100mg tren /150mg npp ED and some drol see how things pan out.. if the sides are still to much, its time off completely from tren for me or maybe as low as 50mg ed with 200 npp. One of the nice things about npp is you can run more test alongside it...which i just feel better on tbh + more libido... doesnt work out so well when you try that with tren.
I wanna do 100mg ED of prop/tren/npp with 10iu hgh. Maybe that will get me to 235lbs in the same lean condition I am currently in.
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NPP and Tren are in my top 3 favorite.
They are polar opposites for me....
NPP for growing and getting strong.
Tren for holding mass and shedding fat.
I can grow, cut, or get strong on either of them, but I get optimum use out of
them by using them the way I outlined.
one of the best posts yet I agree and use these compounds in the same way
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one of the best posts yet I agree and use these compounds in the same way
you grow better off NPP then tren?....strange. deca is a weak anabolic, while tren is 5 times more anabolic than test
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What do you mean it cant be bone growth? Have you looked at the dude's from pumping iron, look at the distinguished jaw all the heavy dbol users possessed, with the gap teeth.
I sware on my mother's life, it was bone growth I even took pictures to make sure I wasn't loosing my mind. I'm still 19 so I probably wasn't finished growing though, i doubt it could happen for an adult when the growth plates are sealed.
Strange as nandrolone being half anabolic and half androgenic, I mean I can understand it happening with dianabol but a weaker mainly anabolic compound.
Youre still 19?
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WOW,, deca is 3x anabolic to androgenic,,, and the best myotrophic steroids ever made, second is anavar third is anadrol ...
Mytrophic means muscular weight... FYI
Tren is 5X anabolic 5X androgenic compared to testosterone looks good on paper right ?
In reality because it is such a strong androgen its affects on muscular weight is very minimal and this is why people report they either loose weight or there muscles change shape..
because they are using test and tren = 600 anabolic 600 androgenic
Now when people take eq and tren they change the ration in favor of higher anabolics, add in primo and again you make the anabolic ratio higher
It is alot more complex this this because I have not even mentioned doses but this is for you to get the point
Nobody is arguind that tren is not the strongest steroid because miligram for milligram it is 5 x stronger then testosterone but the biggest physiques were not built on tren they were detailed with it
FOOD some test and HEAVY ANABOLICS BUILT THOSE PHYSIQUES ... to a certain point
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you grow better off NPP then tren?....strange. deca is a weak anabolic, while tren is 5 times more anabolic than test
It seems to vary from person to person.
Deca mg per mg is the strongest anabolic for my individual genetics, and I have used every conventional AAS in
existence.
I grew better from 500mg test and 400mg deca than I did from 1g of test.
Buselmo made a post saying try 1g of test, then try 1g of deca and compare the results. Most will find they grew more
lean mass from the deca. People say test is a better mass builder, but they are using 3-5x more of it than they are deca.
I am running 700mg of deca right now, and I plan on slowly building up the dose to see how high I can go before side
effects stop me. If I can tolerate a gram of deca/NPP, I guarantee I will grow more than on a comparable dose of test.
Also, that comment about tren being 5x more anabolic than test..... I think it is 5x more androgenic. At least that is what
I have seen plastered all over the net the last ten years.
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Also, that comment about tren being 5x more anabolic than test..... I think it is 5x more androgenic. At least that is what
I have seen plastered all over the net the last ten years.
My understanding as well.
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WOW,, deca is 3x anabolic to androgenic,,, and the best myotrophic steroids ever made, second is anavar third is anadrol ...
Mytrophic means muscular weight... FYI
Tren is 5X anabolic 5X androgenic compared to testosterone looks good on paper right ?
In reality because it is such a strong androgen its affects on muscular weight is very minimal and this is why people report they either loose weight or there muscles change shape..
because they are using test and tren = 600 anabolic 600 androgenic
Now when people take eq and tren they change the ration in favor of higher anabolics, add in primo and again you make the anabolic ratio higher
It is alot more complex this this because I have not even mentioned doses but this is for you to get the point
Nobody is arguind that tren is not the strongest steroid because miligram for milligram it is 5 x stronger then testosterone but the biggest physiques were not built on tren they were detailed with it
FOOD some test and HEAVY ANABOLICS BUILT THOSE PHYSIQUES ... to a certain point
i know those studies and a lot of them are done in vitro or on smooth muscles in rats. they aren't very accurate.
it's pretty complicated with a lot of variables but there really isn't one steroid that is going to be vastly superior to all the rest and that's why people generally run stacks. it is also subjective and some people just grow better on certain steroids than others.
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Strange as nandrolone being half anabolic and half androgenic, I mean I can understand it happening with dianabol but a weaker mainly anabolic compound.
Youre still 19?
still 19. I was on on primo test and dbol during that time too so maybe it was the dbol :D 19 year old kid on grams of shit something has to change I guess
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WOW,, deca is 3x anabolic to androgenic,,, and the best myotrophic steroids ever made, second is anavar third is anadrol ...
Mytrophic means muscular weight... FYI
Tren is 5X anabolic 5X androgenic compared to testosterone looks good on paper right ?
In reality because it is such a strong androgen its affects on muscular weight is very minimal and this is why people report they either loose weight or there muscles change shape..
because they are using test and tren = 600 anabolic 600 androgenic
Now when people take eq and tren they change the ration in favor of higher anabolics, add in primo and again you make the anabolic ratio higher
It is alot more complex this this because I have not even mentioned doses but this is for you to get the point
Nobody is arguind that tren is not the strongest steroid because miligram for milligram it is 5 x stronger then testosterone but the biggest physiques were not built on tren they were detailed with it
FOOD some test and HEAVY ANABOLICS BUILT THOSE PHYSIQUES ... to a certain point
very interesting good information. Makes sense though, I doubt someone could gain much size on tren only. Add Eq and that's another story, apparently what paul dillet took from a roomate on here who knew him. Pounded the tren and eq very low dosed test
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WOW,, deca is 3x anabolic to androgenic,,, and the best myotrophic steroids ever made, second is anavar third is anadrol ...
Mytrophic means muscular weight... FYI
Tren is 5X anabolic 5X androgenic compared to testosterone looks good on paper right ?
In reality because it is such a strong androgen its affects on muscular weight is very minimal and this is why people report they either loose weight or there muscles change shape..
because they are using test and tren = 600 anabolic 600 androgenic
Now when people take eq and tren they change the ration in favor of higher anabolics, add in primo and again you make the anabolic ratio higher
It is alot more complex this this because I have not even mentioned doses but this is for you to get the point
Nobody is arguind that tren is not the strongest steroid because miligram for milligram it is 5 x stronger then testosterone but the biggest physiques were not built on tren they were detailed with it
FOOD some test and HEAVY ANABOLICS BUILT THOSE PHYSIQUES ... to a certain point
Good post bud...
Anavar seems to be forgotten/ not used / hated on etc etc
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I love tren, i get great results the problem is i kinda plateaued at 100mg ed and had to start taking the dosage higher to carry on growing...which worked.... but i just feel like shit most of the time at 200+mg ed.... what I'm wondering is how does NPP compare and do the two work well together? Lets say I did 100mg tren ED which is a dosage i can tolerate the sides at....then ran 200mg npp ed along side it?
at this point you add gh not more aas.
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still 19. I was on on primo test and dbol during that time too so maybe it was the dbol :D 19 year old kid on grams of shit something has to change I guess
No room for natural growth I take it?
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Good post bud...
Anavar seems to be forgotten/ not used / hated on etc etc
I love anavar. Trust me, anavar at 100 mg daily with either tren or primo or both tren and primo and the changes to your physique in 4 weeks is close to unbelievable.
You can't say the same for a stack of deca and dianabol or even NPP and anadrol for example. The changes after 4 weeks on those compounds will be noticeable, but the lines will definitely blur.
On tren primo anavar you gain actual mass, as in your traps will be noticeably half an inch higher and thicker and cut and your rear delts will come out noticeably, and your lines become so cut. The most amazing thing is you can actually LOSE weight on this stack and appear larger than ever, because you lost fat and water and gained lean mass in just one month.
Never under rate Var. never. 100 mg oxy is the king in the long run. Dianabol has its place and many run injectable dianabol year round at low doses for fullness (not me) and of course anadrol is irreplaceable, but Var is king. Try primo tren var (all 100mg ED) and tell me who you see in the mirror at week 4.... Week 6... Week 8...
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I love anavar. Trust me, anavar at 100 mg daily with either tren or primo or both tren and primo and the changes to your physique in 4 weeks is close to unbelievable.
You can't say the same for a stack of deca and dianabol or even NPP and anadrol for example. The changes after 4 weeks on those compounds will be noticeable, but the lines will definitely blur.
On tren primo anavar you gain actual mass, as in your traps will be noticeably half an inch higher and thicker and cut and your rear delts will come out noticeably, and your lines become so cut. The most amazing thing is you can actually LOSE weight on this stack and appear larger than ever, because you lost fat and water and gained lean mass in just one month.
Never under rate Var. never. 100 mg oxy is the king in the long run. Dianabol has its place and many run injectable dianabol year round at low doses for fullness (not me) and of course anadrol is irreplaceable, but Var is king. Try primo tren var (all 100mg ED) and tell me who you see in the mirror at week 4.... Week 6... Week 8...
HEY THATS WHAT IM DOING, PLUS HALO 20MG ED.
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I'll be doing 100 mg tren ED with 100 mg var ED and 1000 mg masteron/week. ;D
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what kind of condition do you guys get in for those of you that have run all 3 prop, tren a, and npp all at once?
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SmoofCat, what about 100mg primo/prop/tren ace/var daily each ?
I love anavar. Trust me, anavar at 100 mg daily with either tren or primo or both tren and primo and the changes to your physique in 4 weeks is close to unbelievable.
You can't say the same for a stack of deca and dianabol or even NPP and anadrol for example. The changes after 4 weeks on those compounds will be noticeable, but the lines will definitely blur.
On tren primo anavar you gain actual mass, as in your traps will be noticeably half an inch higher and thicker and cut and your rear delts will come out noticeably, and your lines become so cut. The most amazing thing is you can actually LOSE weight on this stack and appear larger than ever, because you lost fat and water and gained lean mass in just one month.
Never under rate Var. never. 100 mg oxy is the king in the long run. Dianabol has its place and many run injectable dianabol year round at low doses for fullness (not me) and of course anadrol is irreplaceable, but Var is king. Try primo tren var (all 100mg ED) and tell me who you see in the mirror at week 4.... Week 6... Week 8...
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I love anavar. Trust me, anavar at 100 mg daily with either tren or primo or both tren and primo and the changes to your physique in 4 weeks is close to unbelievable.
You can't say the same for a stack of deca and dianabol or even NPP and anadrol for example. The changes after 4 weeks on those compounds will be noticeable, but the lines will definitely blur.
On tren primo anavar you gain actual mass, as in your traps will be noticeably half an inch higher and thicker and cut and your rear delts will come out noticeably, and your lines become so cut. The most amazing thing is you can actually LOSE weight on this stack and appear larger than ever, because you lost fat and water and gained lean mass in just one month.
Never under rate Var. never. 100 mg oxy is the king in the long run. Dianabol has its place and many run injectable dianabol year round at low doses for fullness (not me) and of course anadrol is irreplaceable, but Var is king. Try primo tren var (all 100mg ED) and tell me who you see in the mirror at week 4.... Week 6... Week 8...
Because you know your shit ;)
I'm on Var 100mg Anadrol 100mg Npp 700mg atm... But I'm going to drop the anadrol and switch it out for masteron
I'll let you know how it goes
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WOW,, deca is 3x anabolic to androgenic,,, and the best myotrophic steroids ever made, second is anavar third is anadrol ...
Mytrophic means muscular weight... FYI
Tren is 5X anabolic 5X androgenic compared to testosterone looks good on paper right ?
In reality because it is such a strong androgen its affects on muscular weight is very minimal and this is why people report they either loose weight or there muscles change shape..
because they are using test and tren = 600 anabolic 600 androgenic
Now when people take eq and tren they change the ration in favor of higher anabolics, add in primo and again you make the anabolic ratio higher
It is alot more complex this this because I have not even mentioned doses but this is for you to get the point
Nobody is arguind that tren is not the strongest steroid because miligram for milligram it is 5 x stronger then testosterone but the biggest physiques were not built on tren they were detailed with it
FOOD some test and HEAVY ANABOLICS BUILT THOSE PHYSIQUES ... to a certain point
Hmmm...maybe that is why I don't really have much size even though I do a lot of Tren. I did do NPP at about 150mg a day for a few months but didn't really notice anything significant, but was also very sick due to an abcess at the time.
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Hmmm...maybe that is why I don't really have much size even though I do a lot of Tren. I did do NPP at about 150mg a day for a few months but didn't really notice anything significant, but was also very sick due to an abcess at the time.
tren is not a rapid size builder by itself but you will always gain more muscle with it in your stacks I think. It makes your body more sensitive to the effects of other steroids mainly an increased sensitivity to IGF. Where as dianabol for example you could gain alot of muscle on it's own. Do you stack it with other compounds?
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tren is not a rapid size builder by itself but you will always gain more muscle with it in your stacks I think. It makes your body more sensitive to the effects of other steroids mainly an increased sensitivity to IGF. Where as dianabol for example you could gain alot of muscle on it's own. Do you stack it with other compounds?
yup i agree with you bro. tren is great on its own for the look it gives you, but to grow its better to add 1 or 2 other hormones alongside the tren.
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yup i agree with you bro. tren is great on its own for the look it gives you, but to grow its better to add 1 or 2 other hormones alongside the tren.
What have you found to be the best compounds to stack with tren if the goal is maximizing growth?
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What have you found to be the best compounds to stack with tren if the goal is maximizing growth?
Tren and EQ! that's what paul dillet used apparently packed on the tren and eq using the tren in 6 week intervals
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Tren and EQ! that's what paul dillet used apparently packed on the tren and eq using the tren in 6 week intervals
Im doin Tren and EQ right now and really like it. Also low dose prop with it. I'm not a big oral user... only ever used anadrol once and halo twice... injectables are my thing. Im curious to know more about this... so he'd run tren 6 weeks on then how many weeks off? I prefer to run tren longer. since last summer ive been doing 12 weeks on 4 weeks off. that little break rejuvinates you and the tren hits you hard. this way i dont have to up my tren dose i can stick with 100mg ed
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What have you found to be the best compounds to stack with tren if the goal is maximizing growth?
d-bol or drol
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d-bol or drol
I Ramped up the dbol dosage to 100mg ED and made some very nice rapid strength/size gains doing this (taken pre workout) shit was getting expensive though, 10 days = 1 tub :-\ I'll be getting hold of some anadrol next week and I'm curious to see how that works out for me.... may even mix it with dbol. 50mg dbol + 100mg drol ED in 6 weeks blasts.... seems that the two have good synergy together from what I've read...
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You definitely lose some fullness when removing the orals from the mix, which is frustrating... but the fact they allow you to work with heavier weights translates to a decent amount of muscle tissue being built over time....isnt just water weight gains... this is why npp interests me, i wonder how it will effect my strength vs tren or how combining the both would work.... only one way to find out i guess :D
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Tren and EQ! that's what paul dillet used apparently packed on the tren and eq using the tren in 6 week intervals
Didnt get a whole lot from EQ... other than an appetite that was relentless...
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Didnt get a whole lot from EQ... other than an appetite that was relentless...
I grow better off EQ than any steroid. I've gotten alot of bunk eq though but the few times I had real EQ I knew it. ... it leans me out too, veins poopping all over the place I have veins shooting out of my forearms.
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tren is not a rapid size builder by itself but you will always gain more muscle with it in your stacks I think. It makes your body more sensitive to the effects of other steroids mainly an increased sensitivity to IGF. Where as dianabol for example you could gain alot of muscle on it's own. Do you stack it with other compounds?
Usually just masteron and prop (but very low prop). I've done eq in the past with it but I don't think eq really does too much for me. Maybe I will stack it with deca/npp in the future and see how that works.
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d-bol or drol
dbol is better drug
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dbol is better drug
Isnt that personal preference? Its quite common to read across the boards that there is no strong combo then tren/test/Anadrol.
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dbol is better drug
don't most say the opposite? I've run dbol before and hated it. Made my face and stomach look fat and back pumps were horrible as well as appetite.
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dbol is better drug
i thought you were a drol fan?
i think if running tren solo then d-bol is without question a better choice but in a tren + test stack i believe drol edges it out.
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i thought you were a drol fan?
i think if running tren solo then d-bol is without question a better choice but in a tren + test stack i believe drol edges it out.
I like it...I respond to it well, it gives a certain look to the physique that I can not describe and makes me wide as fuck. But honestly it's a frustrating drug and quite dangerous (im speaking long term health here)..
I've used enough of it to be able to comment on it, I really think it is a drug that is only suited for someone who is "there" as far as muscle mass wise for it to truly be effective and unleash it's power....if that makes sense. I think the bigger you are the more of a freakshow you will look while on it, it blows the muscle up from within but you need the muscle there first for it to work right, or you will not like the look. It just does not give the look that dbol gives, honestly no compound will give you the thickness to the physique that quality dbol gives.
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Isnt that personal preference? Its quite common to read across the boards that there is no strong combo then tren/test/Anadrol.
It's not so much persnala preference brother it's about using common sense and not just doing something because everyone else does it caue it's the in thing to do. I know that anadrol is not necccesary at my stage of development to achieve a certain look to my physique, therefore I feel it is worthless. I DO feel that dbol is necessary to achieve a certain look and thickness for someone who uses plain old anabolics and no GH and insulin, if I find a drug that works as well for that purpose I will switch it but I haven't so far, and I don't think I will.
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don't most say the opposite? I've run dbol before and hated it. Made my face and stomach look fat and back pumps were horrible as well as appetite.
Never touched it. Everyone I saw using it looked like shit.
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It's not so much persnala preference brother it's about using common sense and not just doing something because everyone else does it caue it's the in thing to do. I know that anadrol is not necccesary at my stage of development to achieve a certain look to my physique, therefore I feel it is worthless. I DO feel that dbol is necessary to achieve a certain look and thickness for someone who uses plain old anabolics and no GH and insulin, if I find a drug that works as well for that purpose I will switch it but I haven't so far, and I don't think I will.
good approach
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I've yet tto seee someone look good on dbol.
With tren I love eq and npp
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I grow better off EQ than any steroid. I've gotten alot of bunk eq though but the few times I had real EQ I knew it. ... it leans me out too, veins poopping all over the place I have veins shooting out of my forearms.
Yeah buddy same here. Always always have used EQ and had great results. I almost get too veiny as I'm genetically vascular. I dont think I've done a cycle since I started that didnt have EQ in it and even had a buddy make me some dosed 400mgs/ml. It was awesome lol
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The idea with dbol is to use it in small doses to prevent the odema from blurring definition.