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1) Press conference with new evidence againt him, at 6 pm EST today
2) ZImm tried to contact FOX news and the prosecutor- Spoke to Sean Hannity off the record - SH admitted it, then said it was 'alleged' once he realized it could be legal hot water.
3) ZImm's lawyers said he has left the state of FL
4) His lawyers saying he is suffering from PTSD. post traumatic stress disorder.
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Que the race riots after he is aquitted. ::)
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Charged with defending himself? This country is going to complete garbage.
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Has he been found? Last I heard, he went off the grid. ???
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Wait, so mobs of blackies can roam out there harming respectable white people and Zimmerman can't kill a few nigs in self-defence?
Where is the justice in America?
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Charged with defending himself? This country is going to complete garbage.
It is, and don't take this as an attack, because I thought you were an Obama supporter, but do you really still believe he is the best guy for the job? Even if you think he is smarter than Romney, he is not a uniter of people. Even if people don't like him strictly because of race, it's still an issue and people don't like him. Much like alot didn't like Bush, but I am saying that I think more hate Obama overall than Bush. Obama had no business even talking about this case the way he did, and in doing so incited the people of this country. That and all of the bullshit media coverage. I feel for the kids family, and to some degree him as well, but let's face it, he wasn't going to cure any diseases, and the world will keep on going without him. And you know the inevitable backlash this trial will produce by the black community when Zimmerman in aquitted.
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Charged with defending himself? This country is going to complete garbage.
All to appeace the blood lusting race mobs headed by eric holder, al sharpton, obama, etc.
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Not seeing it on my homepage, got a link?
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All to appeace the blood lusting race mobs headed by eric holder, al sharpton, obama, etc.
Settle down. Your own blood lust is well established around these parts.
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"Pepper belly, you're under arrest boy."
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Charged with defending himself? This country is going to complete garbage.
This^^
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Whatever way you want to cut it, shooting someone when engaged is a simple altercation is a hugely cowardly bitch move.
Far better world with idiots like Zim Zim behind bars.
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Settle down. Your own blood lust is well established around these parts.
Eric Holder Praises Left-Wing Activist Al Sharpton, Says Facts, Law Will Guide Trayvon Martin Investigation
By Elizabeth Harrington
April 11, 2012
Attorney General Eric Holder, left, and Rev. Al Sharpton, host of MSNBC's "Politics Nation." (AP Photo)
(CNSNews.com) – Attorney General Eric Holder praised left-wing activist Rev. Al Sharpton at the opening of the National Action Network (NAN) convention on Wednesday, and also stressed that the Justice Department is conducting a thorough investigation of the fatal Trayvon Martin shooting that “will examine the facts and the law.”
Sharpton, president of NAN and host of MSNBC’s Politics Nation, has led several rallies demanding the arrest of George Zimmerman, who reportedly shot Martin on Feb. 26. On Mar. 30 in Sanford, Fla., where the shooting occurred, Sharpton pledged that his group would “move to the next level if Zimmerman isn’t arrested.”
At the opening of NAN’s 14th annual convention in Washington, D.C., the attorney general first thanked MSNBC’s Rev. Sharpton “for your partnership, your friendship, and your tireless efforts to speak out for the voiceless, to stand up for the powerless, and to shine a light on the problems we must solve, and the promises we must fulfill.”
Concerning Trayvon Martin, Holder said, “I know that many of you are greatly -- and rightly -- concerned about the recent shooting death of 17-year-old Trayvon Martin, a young man whose future has been lost to the ages."
"As most of you know, three weeks ago, the Department of Justice launched an investigation into this incident, which remains open at this time, and prevents me from talking in detail about this matter," he said.
“Although I cannot share where current efforts will lead us from here, I can assure you that, in this investigation – and in all cases – we will examine the facts and the law,” said Holder. “If we find evidence of a potential federal criminal civil rights crime, we will take appropriate action. And, at every step, the facts and the law will guide us forward.
The National Action Network, which Sharpton founded, has held multiple rallies about the Martin shooting, largely critical of shooter George Zimmerman, irrespective of an ongoing investigation.
Zimmerman, who has not been arrested in the case, said he acted in self-defense after following Martin on Feb. 26, the night Martin was killed. A Florida special prosecutor announced on Monday that the case will not be taken before a Florida grand jury, though the investigation will continue. The FBI and Justice Department are also pursuing their investigations.
MSNBC’s Sharpton has led several rallies, shouting “Arrest Zimmerman Now!” and has called for civil disobedience and an “occupation” in Sanford, Fla., if an arrest is not made.
http://cnsnews.com/news/article/eric-holder-praises-left-wing-activist-al-sharpton-says-facts-law-will-guide-trayvon
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Whatever way you want to cut it, shooting someone when engaged is a simple altercation is a hugely cowardly bitch move.
Far better world with idiots like Zim Zim behind bars.
Wrong. You can die from a beating or be seriously injured for the rest of your life. People seek Firearm Permits for protection. Are you really claiming that you should not have the right to use your firearm if you are attacked? ???
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Whatever way you want to cut it, shooting someone when engaged is a simple altercation is a hugely cowardly bitch move.
Far better world with idiots like Zim Zim behind bars.
Thank you sir. That's a perfect summary.
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Wrong. You can die from a beating or be seriously injured for the rest of your life. People seek Firearm Permits for protection. Are you really claiming that you should not have the right to use your firearm if you are attacked? ???
Too much of a grey area. I got in a lot of fights growing up and if i was an American, i would have probably been shot 100 times over. People aren't responsible enough to use weapons in a generalistic sense. As is proven with this case. Zimmerman has zero injuries and what he should have done if shit really did hit the fan. Is pulled the gun, if still no response from the Trayvon kid then incapicate him with a shot to the kneecap. Zimmerman is just a cowardly retard running around with a weapon and that's dangerous.
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Wrong. You can die from a beating or be seriously injured for the rest of your life. People seek Firearm Permits for protection. Are you really claiming that you should not have the right to use your firearm if you are attacked? ???
As my lawyer often said; "Objection. Assuming facts not in evidence."
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Too much of a grey area. I got in a lot of fights growing up and if i was an American, i would have probably been shot 100 times over. People aren't responsible enough to use weapons in a generalistic sense. As is proven with this case. Zimmerman has zero injuries and what he should have done if shit really did hit the fan. Is pulled the gun, if still no response from the Trayvon kid then incapicate him with a shot to the kneecap. Zimmerman is just a cowardly retard running around with a weapon and that's dangerous.
1. Zimmerman had injuries.
2. Even if he did not have injuries, how do you suppose to stop a thug that is on top of you? How can you aim at a kneecap? How can you be assured that the individual on top will not try to grab the gun?
3. A gun is for protection and that includes anyone looking to fight. I would not hesitate to shoot someone if they were physically attacking me. Why would anyone in their right mind hesitate at all? The point of a firearm is protection.
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As my lawyer often said; "Objection. Assuming facts not in evidence."
Pot meet kettle.
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Too much of a grey area. I got in a lot of fights growing up and if i was an American, i would have probably been shot 100 times over. People aren't responsible enough to use weapons in a generalistic sense. As is proven with this case. Zimmerman has zero injuries and what he should have done if shit really did hit the fan. Is pulled the gun, if still no response from the Trayvon kid then incapicate him with a shot to the kneecap. Zimmerman is just a cowardly retard running around with a weapon and that's dangerous.
Legally the guy didnt do anything wrong but can you imagine how many shootings there would be in the UK on a Friday and Saturday night if guns were legal ;D There'd be 10 people getting shot in every town outside pubs/clubs
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1. Zimmerman had injuries.
2. Even if he did not have injuries, how do you suppose to stop a thug that is on top of you? How can you aim at a kneecap? How can you be assured that the individual on top will not try to grab the gun?
3. A gun is for protection and that includes anyone looking to fight. I would not hesitate to shoot someone if they were physically attacking me. Why would anyone in their right mind hesitate at all? The point of a firearm is protection.
I agree 100%. Not to mention that if Zimmerman had fired to only injure the guy, he would most likely be facing a civil suit.
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1. Zimmerman had injuries.
2. Even if he did not have injuries, how do you suppose to stop a thug that is on top of you? How can you aim at a kneecap? How can you be assured that the individual on top will not try to grab the gun?
3. A gun is for protection and that includes anyone looking to fight. I would not hesitate to shoot someone if they were physically attacking me. Why would anyone in their right mind hesitate at all? The point of a firearm is protection.
Substantive injuries? Doesn't look like there is a mark on him in the pictures. Bearing in mind we are talking about supposedly being attacked by a 17 year old....Needs a gun to overpower a 17 year old...
Shout "i'm armed, get back". No dice, Aim for a limb.
Sorry but there in lies the grey area, very difficult to ascertain truth in such a situation and who initiated.
Regardless i would feel very unmanly shooting someone that started a fist fight with me.
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I agree 100%. Not to mention that if Zimmerman had fired to only injure the guy, he would most likely be facing a civil suit.
No such thing as "injure to shoot" in a situation like this where your head is smashed on the concrete.
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Legally the guy didnt do anything wrong but can you imagine how many shootings there would be in the UK on a Friday and Saturday night if guns were legal ;D There'd be 10 people getting shot in every town outside pubs/clubs
lol these crazy yanks. ;D
Warzone is what it would be.
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Substantive injuries? Doesn't look like there is a mark on him in the pictures. Bearing in mind we are talking about supposedly being attacked by a 17 year old....Needs a gun to overpower a 17 year old...
Shout "i'm armed, get back". No dice, Aim for a limb.
Sorry but there in lies the grey area, very difficult to ascertain truth in such a situation and who initiated.
Regardless i would feel very unmanly shooting someone that started a fist fight with me.
1. You don`t have to visually have injures for them to be life threatening. (Zimmerman did have visual injuries) You can easily get your ribs kicked in, lungs punctured and bleed internally to death but to an onlooker who finds you unconscious, they might just think you decided to take a nap on the street.
2. I am quite confident that there are millions of 17 year olds who could give you a beating to which you would be on the losing end every time.
3. Shouting, "I`m Armed, get back" when someone is on top of you is kind of pointless. Furthermore, you don`t have to state that you are armed, nor should you have to in order to use your gun for protection.
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No such thing as "injure to shoot" in a situation like this where your head is smashed on the concrete.
zimm's dad said his son said he was smashed on ground for 60 seconds, which caused the 1 gash.
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Too much of a grey area. I got in a lot of fights growing up and if i was an American, i would have probably been shot 100 times over. People aren't responsible enough to use weapons in a generalistic sense. As is proven with this case. Zimmerman has zero injuries and what he should have done if shit really did hit the fan. Is pulled the gun, if still no response from the Trayvon kid then incapicate him with a shot to the kneecap. Zimmerman is just a cowardly retard running around with a weapon and that's dangerous.
bro you need to stop watching the movies, you mentioned you don't live in the US so I imagine you haven't spent much time around firearms, but shooting kneecaps is not only stupid/impractical but very hard to do even at the range and on a stationary target, much less at night, under stress and at a moving target.
firing a handgun accurately is almost an art form, any minor twitch or incorrect pull of the trigger/limpwristing and your shot can be thrown off by yards. time and time again at the range i see kids and niggs with newly purchased guns acting like it's just "point and shoot", holding it sideways and doing retarded shit and can't even hit the backstop, let alone the actual target.
also incapacitating shots in america are highly stupid, your whole defense is that your life was in danger which warrants the use of lethal force, if you incapacitate the target many times they will argue that you had time to aim and therefore were not in mortal danger, and as a result you will get the shit sued out of you mercilessly by the family and the criminal.
another thing is that guns are not just a "last resort", research "21 foot rule" in cop jargon, basically in the time it takes to draw and chamber a round, a perp can close this range with a deadly weapon and stab you, this is why sometimes cops will shoot suspects drawing a wallet or something, because you never know under those situations when it's dark and the adrenaline is flowing whether or not it's a wallet or a deadly weapon.
if you have your gun pointed at an enemy and they keep approaching despite your warning, this is grounds to open fire. even if he doesn't have a knife, what if he punches you and gives you aids or something? cops wear gloves for a reason. it's not all macho bullshit in real life.
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zimm's dad said his son said he was smashed on ground for 60 seconds, which caused the 1 gash.
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zimm's dad said his son said he was smashed on ground for 60 seconds, which caused the 1 gash.
Exactly. Laughable.
Everything zimmercoward and his family says is a lie. Everything. No exceptions. zimmerfood knows his life and his freedom is at stake and he will lie to his last breath.
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Exactly. Laughable.
Everything zimmercoward and his family says is a lie. Everything. No exceptions. zimmerfood knows his life and his freedom is at stake and he will lie to his last breath.
Didn't you just make a comment about trying to pass assumption off as fact? It's almost comical that you were throwing that at Adonis given your posts on this topic.
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Didn't you just make a comment about trying to pass assumption off as fact? It's almost comical that you were throwing that at Adonis given your posts on this topic.
Please quit hating me in this thread. This thread is for hating zimmerbloat or Trayvon whateverhislastnameis. Thank you.
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Racial sensitivity cripples this fucking country.
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(http://sphotos.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotosash3/534363_3576763742834_1385333351_33392012_982997929_n.jpg)
The other picture is another trayvon martin..one that is still alive
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The other picture is another trayvon martin..one that is still alive
this one isn't
(http://cdn2.dailycaller.com/2012/03/Photo_on_2010-06-17_at_16.05__2_DC.jpg)
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>:(
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Legally the guy didnt do anything wrong but can you imagine how many shootings there would be in the UK on a Friday and Saturday night if guns were legal ;D There'd be 10 people getting shot in every town outside pubs/clubs
There are dozens of shootings on the South & West sides of Chicago every night (bad neighborhoods) ...and guess how many of those guns involved in the shootings are legal? ZERO !
Makings guns illegal will not make shootings disappear since it's the criminals who do it...criminals don't give a fuck about the law! People fail to understand this.
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Wow, a teenagernig flipping off a web cam. He deserves to be shot obviously.
Obviously
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guns aren't the problem.
in this case, the police car arrived 3 minutes later. the guy agreed to the requeest of the 911 operator to wait at the mailboxes.
he was a hothead (previous felony charge battery against a LEO and domestic violence).
trayvon's GF reports hearing TM say "Why are you following me", Zimmermna saying "What are you doing here", then the fight starting.
SO if TM started it and got shot in a legal shoot, fine... but zimmerman sure worked hard to make sure there was a confrontation. He didn't want the police to do it. He wanted to interrogate the kid on his own. He wanted to stop a minor who had done nothing wrong, and question him.
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1. You don`t have to visually have injures for them to be life threatening. (Zimmerman did have visual injuries) You can easily get your ribs kicked in, lungs punctured and bleed internally to death but to an onlooker who finds you unconscious, they might just think you decided to take a nap on the street.
2. I am quite confident that there are millions of 17 year olds who could give you a beating to which you would be on the losing end every time.
3. Shouting, "I`m Armed, get back" when someone is on top of you is kind of pointless. Furthermore, you don`t have to state that you are armed, nor should you have to in order to use your gun for protection.
It's irrelevant in this case as he didn't sustain any of the aforementioned injuries. If it's law then it's incorrect applied here and with this chain of events.
I doubt there is one teenager on this planet that your statement would apply to. But given your background, build and general level of athletacism i can see this applying to you, hence your need for a firearm.
He was tracking the youngster, so the gun pull would have been preemptive as i'm sure he approached and vocally engaged him from a distance. Hence why America is a very dangerous place to live.
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Hahaha, told you motherfuckers he'd be charged!
Just like I predicted. Now it's obama's fault. And are you fucking kidding me about sharpton and Jessie jackson? When the Fuck have either one of those idiots made anything happen? Nobody gives a Fuck about them they've been running their mouth for the last few decades since when did anybody take them seriously? This was a cover up. It will all be exposed very soon...
Didn't jackson get some hostages freed back in the day? ??? Either way, the world is better off without both of these slugs.
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It's irrelevant in this case as he didn't sustain any of the aforementioned injuries. If it's law then it's incorrect applied here and with this chain of events.
I doubt there is one teenager on this planet that your statement would apply to. But given your background, build and general level of athletacism i can see this applying to you, hence your need for a firearm.
He was tracking the youngster, so the gun pull would have been preemptive as i'm sure he approached and vocally engaged him from a distance. Hence why America is a very dangerous place to live.
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Like a 17 Year old Mike Tyson wouldn`t tear you to pieces. You are officially a Grade A Moron.
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zimmerchicken is going to have a very tough time in the joint. His issues;
-He likes cops and wants to be a cop. Convicts will kill him for this.
-He is Mexican but claims White. No ethnic group will accept him, so he's on his own.
-He wasted a black kid so the blacks will hate him.
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guns aren't the problem.
in this case, the police car arrived 3 minutes later. the guy agreed to the requeest of the 911 operator to wait at the mailboxes.
he was a hothead (previous felony charge battery against a LEO and domestic violence).
trayvon's GF reports hearing TM say "Why are you following me", Zimmermna saying "What are you doing here", then the fight starting.
SO if TM started it and got shot in a legal shoot, fine... but zimmerman sure worked hard to make sure there was a confrontation. He didn't want the police to do it. He wanted to interrogate the kid on his own. He wanted to stop a minor who had done nothing wrong, and question him.
There is nothing wrong with what Zimmerman did at all. He also was the Neighborhood Watch Captain and had thwarted robberies in the past.
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zimmerchicken
Your thesaurus has officially run out of entries.
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Your thesaurus has officially run out of entries.
;D ;D You got me. I should just give up, but I'm still searching.
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Like a 17 Year old Mike Tyson wouldn`t tear you to pieces. You are officially a Grade A Moron.
No you are the moron, amused that a jew could look down on any other race, especially one such as yourself. It's evident in your postings that there is a clear agenda apparent.
Wow, you picked one of the best fighters in human history that hardly equates to millions of children beating me in a fight does it lol.
With zero knowledge of who i am or my background you can't really say shit that has any validity in any event.
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No you are the moron, amused that a jew could look down on any other race, especially one such as yourself. It's evident in your postings that there is a clear agenda apparent.
Wow, you picked one of the best fighters in human history that hardly equates to millions of children beating me in a fight does it lol.
With zero knowledge of who i am or my background you can't really say shit that has any validity in any event.
You said there wasn`t a single 17 year old in the world capable of beating you senseless and I just provided evidence that they do indeed exist. I am not racist, I am a realist and the color or lack thereof of someones skin is irrelevant to me. I judge people based on their norms, mores and folkways, culture, how they act, what memes they give in to, where they fit in on the zeitgeist etc...
Furthermore, I don`t care about who you think you are or anything about your inconsequential lineage. The fact is that contrary to your claims, there are millions of 17 year olds in the world that could easily put an end to your misery and relegate your family history to a complete foot note (if it isn`t already).
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I doubt there is one teenager on this planet that your statement would apply to.
17 Year old Mike Tyson would spank your ass.
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What is that red thing on the hat? Is that a Crips reference? how about the tatoos?
I believe it's a Ralph Lauren Polo player.
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What is that red thing on the hat? Is that a Crips reference? how about the tatoos?
his twitter account name is dr33zy taugh7 m3 or some stupid shit and he talked alot of trash.....obviously not illegal but you get the impression that he's just another loudmouthed black punk that thinks he's a "g".
of course they won't tell you this on CNN
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You said there wasn`t a single 17 year old in the world capable of beating you senseless and I just provided evidence that they do indeed exist. I am not racist, I am a realist and the color or lack thereof of someones skin is irrelevant to me. I judge people based on their norms, mores and folkways, culture, how they act, what memes they give in to, where they fit in on the zeitgeist etc...
Furthermore, I don`t care about who you think you are or anything about your inconsequential lineage. The fact is that contrary to your claims, there are millions of 17 year olds in the world that could easily put an end to your misery and relegate your family history to a complete foot note (if it isn`t already).
I'm not going to engage you anymore. You clearly have a lot of bitterness towards the world, yes you are a very unfortunate person but it doesn't have to manifest in such a way.
You can't comment on confrontations because you have no first hand experiance of such. No i'm not comfortable with people such as yourself running around with guns. It's extremely cowardly and unmanly. It's an equalizer that scrawny little weaklings auch as yourself shouldn't have.
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I hope Zimmerman takes off out of this country and leaves a big FU video to obama, al, jesse, 240, the race mobs, and the media.
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I'm not going to engage you anymore. You clearly have a lot of bitterness towards the world, yes you are a very unfortunate person but it doesn't have to manifest in such a way.
You can't comment on confrontations because you have no first hand experiance of such. No i'm not comfortable with people such as yourself running around with guns. It's extremely cowardly and unmanly. It's an equalizer that scrawny little weaklings auch as yourself shouldn't have.
(http://rudd-o.com/uploads/2008/06/1214507617361.jpg)
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I'm not going to engage you anymore. You clearly have a lot of bitterness towards the world, yes you are a very unfortunate person but it doesn't have to manifest in such a way.
You can't comment on confrontations because you have no first hand experiance of such. No i'm not comfortable with people such as yourself running around with guns. It's extremely cowardly and unmanly. It's an equalizer that scrawny little weaklings auch as yourself shouldn't have.
I bet I am stronger than you ever were as a Lifetime Natural.
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I bet I am stronger than you ever were as a Lifetime Natural.
Haha no. You come from a very weak gene pool, strength was never put in to that bloodline.
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Are you still currently lifting heavy muffin man?
As Heavy as I can.
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I believe it's a Ralph Lauren Polo player.
Lol at the name of the pic.
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Official: Charges Coming in Trayvon Martin Death (Will arrest Zim out of state soon)
AP ^ | Wednesday Aprl 11,, 2012
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The law enforcement official said that authorities knew where Zimmerman was and were planning to arrest him soon rather than let him turn himself in. The official said he was not in Florida.
Zimmerman's shooting of the unarmed black teenager Feb. 26 brought demands from black leaders for his arrest and set off a furious nationwide debate over race and self-defense that reached all the way to the White House.
The 28-year-old Zimmerman, whose father is white and whose mother is Hispanic, said the teenager attacked him. Martin's family argued Zimmerman was the aggressor.
On Tuesday, Zimmerman's lawyers announced they were withdrawing from the case because they hadn't heard from him since Sunday and didn't know where he was. They portrayed his mental state as fragile.
"He is largely alone. You might even say he is emotionally crippled by virtue of the pressure of this case," said one of the lawyers, Hal Uhrig.
The case has drawn the interest of the highest levels of the Obama administration, with the Justice Department's civil rights division opening its own investigation.
(Excerpt) Read more at google.com ...
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Has he been found? Last I heard, he went off the grid. ???
How the fuck do you go "off the grid" when you are in the middle of an investigation? What do we pay the police for?
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Has Zimmerman been served, or is he in a white Bronco, somewhere? ???
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It has been suggested among legal pundits that “Stand Your Ground” can be made to work the other way…for Trayvon Martin and against George Zimmerman.
The argument goes like this:
“I was walking home from the convenience store with candy and soda…This scary looking Hispanic with a gun in his belt and not wearing a uniform or a badge is stalking me…I feared for my life and I took physical action, ‘I stood my ground’ and tried to take his gun away, and physically incapacitate him...”
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How the fuck do you go "off the grid" when you are in the middle of an investigation? What do we pay the police for?
Tough guy post: 2/10
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It has been suggested among legal pundits that “Stand Your Ground” can be made to work the other way…for Trayvon Martin and against George Zimmerman.
The argument goes like this:
“I was walking home from the convenience store with candy and soda…This scary looking Hispanic with a gun in his belt and not wearing a uniform or a badge is stalking me…I feared for my life and I took physical action, ‘I stood my ground’ and tried to take his gun away, and physically incapacitate him...”
It really can go both ways. What was Zimmerman doing looking at Martin's "bulge" in the first place? (no homo)
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Tough guy post: 2/10
??? . What I meant, was how can the police/feds etc... let the guy skip town? how hard is it to keep a watch on someone?
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:D
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??? . What I meant, was how can the police/feds etc... let the guy skip town? how hard is it to keep a watch on someone?
Depends who, and under what aegis. He wasn't 'charged,' and given his mental 'stuff,' he decided to hit the bricks. Given the history of such moron cases, he'll probably be found within blocks of his last listed address. Ask tommy. ;D
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Should charge him with 2nd degree murder, but might for for manslaughter.
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Is that a real pic? Date and event details, please. :-X
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Should charge him with 2nd degree murder, but might for for manslaughter.
For defending himself? ??? This is a travesty. Can`t even defend yourself with your 2nd Amendment rights anymore.
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For defending himself? ??? This is a travesty. Can`t even defend yourself with your 2nd Amendment rights anymore.
2nd degree murder is fucking insane. Manslaughter or reckless homicide - i can see if they want to try that - but murder? WTF!
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If Zimmerman gets off there will be some serious rioting (wouldn't want to own a flatscreen warehouse in a big city). She will have to go for the jugular.
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Official: Zimmerman is in custody and will be charged with 2nd-degree murder
Yahoo ^
Posted on Wednesday, April 11, 2012 5:45:48 PM by Arthurio
Official: Zimmerman is in custody and will be charged with 2nd-degree murder
(Excerpt) Read more at yahoo.com ...
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This is not going to end well.
Time to BLOAT - BUT LOTS OF AMMO TODAY
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http://miami.cbslocal.com/2012/04/11/report-zimmerman-to-be-charged-in-trayvon-shooting-wednesday-afternoon/
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Well, let's see how it gets played out. Certainly don't want to see LittleJ or 3.14 on the jury. And keep it local. None of the national idiocy. :-\
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Travesty. All he did was defend himself when he was assaulted. How can you or anyone support this bullshit?
So you want the ability to protect yourself to be taken away. You want to just accept a beat down that could lead to death? What is it with you people?
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Well, let's see how it gets played out. Certainly don't want to see LittleJ or 3.14 on the jury. And keep it local. None of the national idiocy. :-\
It should have never even gotten that far. No crime was committed.
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Let the circus begin. It will be the OJ trial all over again..
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All dog and pony show to keep the blacks settled down, he'll testify he was attacked and feared for his life....he walks when this is over.
And much like the OJ deal, expect a wrongful death civil suit from the kids parents. ;)
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Total bullshit - this is beyond absurd!
Good job race mob!
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It should have never even gotten that far. No crime was committed.
WTF is wrong with you??? The man shot a fucking kid to death based on the color of his skin. Self defense claim cannot apply when Zimmerman, the perpetrator, was stalking and chasing the kid down. Get your head out your ass, man.
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They should also charge Zimmerman for stalking, intent to do harm with a deadly weapon, and 1st degree charges of getting owned like a bitch my a kid half his size and almost half his age In hand to hand man combat
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It should have never even gotten that far. No crime was committed.
Agree, totally. Don't agree.
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Travesty. All he did was defend himself when he was assaulted. How can you or anyone support this bullshit?
So you want the ability to protect yourself to be taken away. You want to just accept a beat down that could lead to death? What is it with you people?
Dude, this is a REPUBLICAN prosecutor. She is going off EVIDENCE not media crap. No way would she file murder 2 unless she had beyond a reasonable doubt he was guilty of it.
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WTF is wrong with you??? The man shot a fucking kid to death based on the color of his skin. Self defense claim cannot apply when Zimmerman, the perpetrator, was stalking and chasing the kid down. Get your head out your ass, man.
1. I take it you don`t know what a neighborhood watch is.
2. You can follow/monitor anyone you want as long as you don`t violate their rights. Zimmerman did not violate any rights.
3. Zimmerman shot him because he was attacked. Its as simple as that. There is nothing wrong with keeping an eye out when you see a suspicious looking young black male dressed the way he was.
I once called the police on a similar looking individual when I was in a totally different state on a vacation He was stealing from a house in broad daylight just as I suspected he was in an upscale neighborhood where he did not belong. He just looked like a thug and it turns out I was right. Police arrested him.
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2nd degree murder. Nice work zimmerpig.
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1. I take it you don`t know what a neighborhood watch is.
2. You can follow/monitor anyone you want as long as you don`t violate their rights. Zimmerman did not violate any rights.
3. Zimmerman shot him because he was attacked. Its as simple as that. There is nothing wrong with keeping an eye out when you see a suspicious looking young black male dressed the way he was.
I once called the police on a similar looking individual when I was in a totally different state on a vacation He was stealing from a house in broad daylight just as I suspected he was in an upscale neighborhood where he did not belong. He just looked like a thug and it turns out I was right. Police arrested him.
Dude you watch Fox News too much. Everything you are mentioning is what his father and Shawn Hannity promoted. Obviously its not factual.
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2nd degree murder. Good charge.
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here you go Zimmerman Supporters... Georgie Boy is taking PayPal donations for his attorney fees
http://therealgeorgezimmerman.com/ (http://therealgeorgezimmerman.com/)
I am the real George Zimmerman,
On Sunday February 26th, I was involved in a life altering event which led me to become the subject of intense media coverage. As a result of the incident and subsequent media coverage, I have been forced to leave my home, my school, my employer, my family and ultimately, my entire life. This website's sole purpose is to ensure my supporters they are receiving my full attention without any intermediaries.
It has come to my attention that some persons and/or entities have been collecting funds, thinly veiled as my “Defense Fund” or "Legal Fund". I cannot attest to the validity of these other websites as I have not received any funds collected, intended to support my family and I through this trying, tragic time.
I have created a Paypal account solely linked on this website as I would like to provide an avenue to thank my supporters personally and ensure that any funds provided are used only for living expenses and legal defense, in lieu of my forced inability to maintain employment. I will also personally, maintain accountability of all funds received. I reassure you, every donation is appreciated.
Sincerely,
George Zimmerman
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I don`t see anything wrong at all with visually profiling people. If I see a white person dressed like ghetto thug walking like a zombie, I`d be way more suspicious of them then a black person in a suit walking normal.
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Dude you watch Fox News too much. Everything you are mentioning is what his father and Shawn Hannity promoted. Obviously its not factual.
I haven`t seen one single program by FoxNews or any news outlet. I don`t watch television news nor do I own a television.
Sorry, I am going by the law and the evidence, not emotion.
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zimmerbloat's new best friends.
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zimmerbloat's new best friends.
Any of your old buddies in that shot?
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here you go Zimmerman Supporters... Georgie Boy is taking PayPal donations for his attorney fees
http://therealgeorgezimmerman.com/ (http://therealgeorgezimmerman.com/)
OK. I hit the linky. That can't be the real Zimmerman site, can it?
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Any of your old buddies in that shot?
;D LOL
One or two.
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(http://l1.yimg.com/nn/fp/rsz/images/corey3_nuni.jpg)
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OK. I hit the linky. That can't be the real Zimmerman site, can it?
yea thats the webiste on the New York times artical about zimmerman
thelede.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/04/10/on-a-new-web-site-george-zimmerman-speaks-out/ (http://thelede.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/04/10/on-a-new-web-site-george-zimmerman-speaks-out/)
On a New Web Site, ‘The Real George Zimmerman’ Speaks, and Solicits Funds
Last Updated | 5:46 p.m. George Zimmerman, the neighborhood watch volunteer who shot and killed an unarmed, black teenager in Florida six weeks ago, broke his public silence over the fatal shooting of Trayvon Martin on a new Web site: TheRealGeorgeZimmerman.com.
On the home page of his new site, which features an American flag as its background, and a prominent link to a PayPal account, Mr. Zimmerman writes:
I am the real George Zimmerman. On Sunday February 26th, I was involved in a life altering event which led me to become the subject of intense media coverage. As a result of the incident and subsequent media coverage, I have been forced to leave my home, my school, my employer, my family and ultimately, my entire life.
Mr. Zimmerman’s lawyer, Hal Uhrig, confirmed to WOFL-FOX 35, an Orlando, Fl. Fox News affiliate, that the site was produced by his client. (Late Tuesday, Mr. Uhrig and another attorney, Craig Sonner, announced that they were no longer representing Mr. Zimmerman. Their client stopped returning their calls on Sunday, the men said. The lawyers added that Mr. Zimmerman had contacted Sean Hannity of Fox News without consulting them and called the office of the special prosecutor investigating him.)
The Orlando Sentinel reports that Benjamin Crump, a lawyer for Trayvon’s family, criticized the site in an appearance on Good Morning America on Tuesday, saying: “George Zimmerman is trying to have us believe that his life is so terrible now.” He added: “You know he says that he experienced a life-altering event. Well, Trayvon Martin experienced a life-ending event.”
The site’s photo album section features images of two messages written by the gunman’s supporters, both of which demonstrate how the case has become part of the wider American debate over multicultural living. One image shows a sign reading “Justice for Zimmerman,” which was displayed at a rally last month led by Terry Jones, the anti-Islam Florida pastor famous for burning copies of the Koran. The second images shows the graffiti-scrawled words “Long Live Zimmerman,” which were spray-painted on the wall of a black cultural center at Ohio State University last Thursday.
The image from Ohio appears to be a still frame from video of the graffiti posted online by Ohio State’s student newspaper, The Lantern, which was brought to the attention of a wider audience on Thursday by Trymaine Lee of The Huffington Post.
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I haven`t seen one single program by FoxNews or any news outlet. I don`t watch television news nor do I own a television.
Sorry, I am going by the law and the evidence, not emotion.
You are repeating things only Fox news reports which have been embarrassingly exposed as lies. Dudes dad is a retired Magistrate for the supreme court in Virginia.
So your "facts" are not "facts" they are lies Zimmerman's father told Hannity.
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So will this go before a judge and a jury?!
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So will this go before a judge and a jury?!
i think George will first need to be arrested , then has to plead Guilty or Innocent and then see if he plea bargains or asks for a jury
i don't see a judge throwing this case out
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So will this go before a judge and a jury?!
Ask Adonis since hes an attorney... lol (A bad one)
It goes in front of a Seminole county Judge first. The judge can throw it out, or recommend a jury trial of Zimmerman's peers. If the judge throws it out they can appeal, if the next judge throws it out, no trial case closed.
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Disobeying the police dispatcher's orders to not follow the suspect overrides his authority as a "Neighborhood Watchman", where an imminent danger could have been avoided. This is the technicality that shall be argued against Zimmerman. If one is to scrutinize the phone call evidence, you have to admit his actions were "WRONG." There is a reason why he is not a police officer, where he is not trained to handle potential threats of this nature. Evidence provided show his reluctance to follow orders. Put aside your morals, he initiated the confrontation that he was authorized to avoid. Furthermore, this weakens his argument of self-defense when he was told other lawful dispatchers would investigate the possible threat. The victim provided no evidential threat to others and is evident within 911 phone conversation. As an officer who disobeys his commander in the line of duty, this too would be seen as an unlawful act. AKA "WRONG"
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Disobeying the police dispatcher's orders to not follow the suspect overrides his authority as a "Neighborhood Watchman", where an imminent danger could have been avoided. This is the technicality that shall be argued against Zimmerman. If one is to scrutinize the phone call evidence, you have to admit his actions were "WRONG." There is a reason why he is not a police officer, where he is not trained to handle potential threats of this nature. Evidence provided show his reluctance to follow orders. Put aside your morals, he initiated the confrontation that he was authorized to avoid. Furthermore, this weakens his argument of self-defense when he was told other lawful dispatchers would investigate the possible threat. The victim provided no evidential threat to others and is evident within 911 phone conversation. As an officer who disobeys his commander in the line of duty, this too would be seen as an unlawful act. AKA "WRONG"
A 911 Dispatcher IS NOT Law Enforcement and has zero authority. Chad Mower was a 911 Dispatcher for fucks sakes. I hope this helps.
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Dispatcher already said Police were already on there way to handle situation.. They were authorized to cover the scene.. Hope this helps
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Again, I am not discussing morals, but am highlighting why there is a reasonable case against him.
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Dispatcher already said Police were already on there way to handle situation.. They were authorized to cover the scene.. Hope this helps
Doesn`t matter. The 911 Dispatcher only job is to get Law Enforcement there. Sometimes disobeying the 911 Dispatcher saves lives and there are many instances of this. Do you need examples?
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Again, I am not discussing morals, but am highlighting why there is a reasonable case against him.
Thats not reasonable as the 911 Dispatcher has no authority or bearing here whatsoever.
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I didnt know so many tough guy bodybuilders were afraid of unarmed 17 year old kids. R.I.P. Trayvon...
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coltrane? Any (legal) thoughts?
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You are 100 % correct in arguing that a dispatcher can provide untimely advice/authorization, but Zimmerman stated himself of the potential threat in this case. He is not authorized to follow a potential suspect, especially if the suspect has not proven to be a threat to others in the community. This CAN and WILL be a strong argument against him: same as his past 70 + calls to police of his overzealous suspicions. It creates a strong probable cause to his inept and abrupt judgement. THIS WILL weaken his "Self Defense" stance.
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You are 100 % correct in arguing that a dispatcher can provide untimely advice/authorization, but Zimmerman stated himself of the potential threat in this case. He is not authorized to follow a potential suspect, especially if the suspect has not proven to be a threat to others in the community. This CAN and WILL be a strong argument against him: same as his past 70 + calls to police of his overzealous suspicions. It creates a strong probable cause to his inept and abrupt judgement. THIS WILL weaken his "Self Defense" stance.
Shut the fuck up before you get cock slapped. Go listen to the recording idiot. The dispatcher said "YOU DONT HAVE TO DO THAT" when zimmerman said he was gunna follow him. The dispatcher NEVER GAVE AN ORDER.
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Shut the fuck up before you get cock slapped. Go listen to the recording idiot. The dispatcher said "YOU DONT HAVE TO DO THAT" when zimmerman said he was gunna follow him. The dispatcher NEVER GAVE AN ORDER.
its actually
" WE DON'T NEED YOU TO DO THAT"
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its actually
" WE DON'T NEED YOU TO DO THAT"
Which is also not an order to refrain. Not that it would even matter.
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Well, let's see how it gets played out. Certainly don't want to see LittleJ or 3.14 on the jury. And keep it local. None of the national idiocy. :-\
How did my name get into this? ::)
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Zimmerman did not provide evidence of the victim being a threat to any individual on the scene!!! But, he did state how he looked dangerous. The dispatcher's advice, as much as you do not believe in his authority, WILL be used as an argument against Zimmerman's proclamation of "SELF DEFENSE." And, this will most likely sway the verdict. Getting upset at my observation will not sway the decision and how they handle the evidence against him. THERE IS A CASE!! It is very sad that you have to get upset over processing information that is already there. I have no moral dilemma in this case but can easily point out what will be most effective argument.
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Zimmerman did not provide evidence of the victim being a threat to any individual on the scene!!! But, he did state how he looked dangerous. The dispatcher's advice, as much as you do not believe in his authority, WILL be used as an argument against Zimmerman's proclamation of "SELF DEFENSE." And, this will most likely sway the verdict. Getting upset at my observation will not sway the decision and how they handle the evidence against him. THERE IS A CASE!! It is very sad that you have to get upset over processing information that is already there. I have no moral dilemma in this case but can easily point out what will be most effective arguing against him.
Totally irrelevant due to the fact that Trayvon attacked Zimmerman causing Zimmerman to act in Self-Defense.
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Totally irrelevant due to the fact that Trayvon attacked Zimmerman causing Zimmerman to act in Self-Defense.
Hehe. And Zimmerman is where? :)
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It is relevant when Zimmerman initiated the confrontation. He stated that he was going to follow the victim. C'mon man, you know that this will be the prosecution's case. Whether I believe he was morally right or wrong in his decision to kill is asides the point. "Self Defense" is a weak argument for this circumstance. From a larger scope, this will harm the authentic "stand your ground" victims who are really threatened. This is what's going to piss me off.
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It is relevant when Zimmerman initiated the confrontation. He stated that he was going to follow the victim. C'mon man, you know that this will be the prosecution's case. Whether I believe he was morally right or wrong in his decision to kill is asides the point. "Self Defense" is a weak argument for this circumstance. From a larger scope, this will harm the authentic "stand your ground" victims who are really threatened. This is what's going to piss me off.
This has got nothing to do with Stand Your Ground and Zimmerman`s lawyers said as much early on. This is textbook Self-Defense.
So Zimmerman should have just risked losing his life as Trayvon pummeled him and jumped on him potentially using his gun against him?
Trayvon did not have to confront and attack Zimmerman. Trayvon should have called the Police if he felt threatened. He didn`t. He chose to attack like an animal and is now dead as a result of his actions.
Why did Trayvon fail to call the police if he felt threatened? Why did he choose to attack? Why is Zimmerman not allowed to use his Firearm for protection?
Clearly Trayvon deserves the Darwin award here.
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Hehe. And Zimmerman is where? :)
He wouldn`t be there if it weren`t for the rabble rousers and the biased media playing into it for ratings giving credence to various baboons in spite of the evidence and facts.
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;D
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This has got nothing to do with Stand Your Ground and Zimmerman`s lawyers said as much early on. This is textbook Self-Defense.
So Zimmerman should have just risked losing his life as Trayvon pummeled him and jumped on him potentially using his gun against him?
Trayvon did not have to confront and attack Zimmerman. Trayvon should have called the Police if he felt threatened. He didn`t. He chose to attack like an animal and is now dead as a result of his actions.
Why did Trayvon fail to call the police if he felt threatened? Why did he choose to attack? Why is Zimmerman not allowed to use his Firearm for protection?
Clearly Trayvon deserves the Darwin award here.
Although we do not know clearly how the scuffle initially broke out, we do know that he was approached by Zimmerman. Zimmerman assumed and stated the possible danger and avoided advice given to him. Approaching the weaponless suspect, while being armed, changed Zimmerman's profile as a man trying to protect himself into becoming the perpetrator. Unfortunately, Zimmerman put himself in that shit-luck position of getting his ass handed to him.
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bwhwhahhwhahhawhwahhhhah hahha numbers boy melting hard tonight :D Justice is just starting.
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It is, and don't take this as an attack, because I thought you were an Obama supporter, but do you really still believe he is the best guy for the job? Even if you think he is smarter than Romney, he is not a uniter of people. Even if people don't like him strictly because of race, it's still an issue and people don't like him. Much like alot didn't like Bush, but I am saying that I think more hate Obama overall than Bush. Obama had no business even talking about this case the way he did, and in doing so incited the people of this country. That and all of the bullshit media coverage. I feel for the kids family, and to some degree him as well, but let's face it, he wasn't going to cure any diseases, and the world will keep on going without him. And you know the inevitable backlash this trial will produce by the black community when Zimmerman in aquitted.
Should we bring back Jim Crow laws? It 'divided' a lot of people when the Civil Rights Act was passed.
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This all seems highly politically motivated, which regardless of Zimmerman's guilt or innocence, leaves me a little unnerved. If the political machine wants to get you, it will.
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Charged with defending himself? This country is going to complete garbage.
If your Messiah Obama had a son he'd look like him, lol.
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Oj was acquitted, so Zimmerman should be also.
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Oj was acquitted, so Zimmerman should be also.
If zimmerbiscuit can get a jury of the dead kid's peers he may just walk. If the jury as an average IQ of more than 37 he may have problems.
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LOL! zimmerpig has more mug shots and booking photos than I do.
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This all seems highly politically motivated, which regardless of Zimmerman's guilt or innocence, leaves me a little unnerved. If the political machine wants to get you, it will.
Exactly. Special Prosecutor and DOJ involved tells the whole story.
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All dog and pony show to keep the blacks settled down, he'll testify he was attacked and feared for his life....he walks when this is over.
And much like the OJ deal, expect a wrongful death civil suit from the kids parents. ;)
So, was the reason why they couldn't find him was because he was busy digging up Johnny Cochran for one last hurrah?
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George Zimmerman's arrest brings relief to community (And isn't that the important thing?)
WGN-AM / The Orlando Sentinel ^ | April 11, 2012 | Walter Pacheco, Martin E. Comas, and David Breen
Posted on April 11, 2012 11:32:42 PM EDT by 2ndDivisionVet
SANFORD — After weeks of demanding justice in the shooting death of Trayvon Martin, reaction across Central Florida to George Zimmerman's second-degree murder charge shows measured relief.
"I think it's justice being served," Sanford's Allen Chapel AME Church Pastor Valarie Houston said. "All the protesting and all the marching, all the tears and lost nights of sleep, it's all been worthwhile."
Houston held a prayer service at the church that was attended by several dozen people after Special Prosecutor Angela Corey's decision to charge Zimmerman. Worshippers rose to sing "Glory, Glory Hallelujah" after walking into the church.
Minister R. White, in his opening prayer, thanked God and asked blessings for the Zimmerman family "on this victorious day."
The Goldsboro neighborhood church has been a focal point for protesters and others who have expressed their concerns about the handling of the case by the Sanford Police Department.
On Monday, the Dream Defenders, a coalition of college students from across Florida marched from Daytona Beach to the church to demand the arrest of Zimmerman. They later blocked the entrance to the Sanford Police Department, forcing officials to temporarily close the building to the public....
(Excerpt) Read more at wgnradio.com ...
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Legally the guy didnt do anything wrong but can you imagine how many shootings there would be in the UK on a Friday and Saturday night if guns were legal ;D There'd be 10 people getting shot in every town outside pubs/clubs
good... Darwinism at its finest
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He wouldn`t be there if it weren`t for the rabble rousers and the biased media playing into it for ratings giving credence to various baboons in spite of the evidence and facts.
And...let's not answer the question asked, but blather on about one you want to talk about, and throw in some racist makings just to seal the deal. You have the makings of a Senator Claghorn, TA.
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LOL! zimmerpig has more mug shots and booking photos than I do.
Looks like he's dropped a few lbs. That will sway some of the jurists, who might be on the fence, fat-wise. Shrewd.
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And...let's not answer the question asked, but blather on about one you want to talk about, and throw in some racist makings just to seal the deal. You have the makings of a Senator Claghorn, TA.
Repeat the question.
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You have the makings of a Senator Claghorn, TA.
Very few here except fans of the Radio Golden Age will know about Kenny Delmar and the Senator Claghorn character he created for the Fred Allen show...however befitting it may be.
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LOL! zimmerpig has more mug shots and booking photos than I do.
Is that a feat, tommy?
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Is that a feat, tommy?
tommy holds the title belt in IHOP parking lot MMA. Be respectful.
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Hahahahaha yes! Upon waking up at 6am this morning the first thinig I heard on the radio alarm is "Mark Zimmerman is to be charged with second degree murder."
I was like hahahahaha up yours you fat coward bitch, hope you get fuked in the ass by a fat black dude with aids on your first night in the pen oh brother. Give it 2 mins before he shaves that stupid chinstrap beard off once he gets in the slammer lol
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Hahahahaha yes! Upon waking up at 6am this morning the first thinig I heard on the radio alarm is "Mark Zimmerman is to be charged with second degree murder."
I was like hahahahaha up yours you fat coward bitch, hope you get fuked in the ass by a fat black dude with aids on your first night in the pen oh brother. Give it 2 mins before he shaves that stupid chinstrap beard off once he gets in the slammer lol
I'm guessing you're not too concerned that some cell mate will tattoo tits on his back, then?
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;D. I think I may donayte to the legal defense fund.
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Another white man put in jail to assuage white guilt.
Mexican.
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;D. I think I may donayte to the legal defense fund.
zimmerman is an angry man. he acted irresponsibly to ignite a fight which he lost to a minor. He voted for Obama. His actions are keeping obama's poor performance off the airwaves.
Finally, his actions are fueing a huge anti-gun movement now.
Yes, root for him. He's hurting gun rights and helping obama get elected. Super!
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;D. One less vote for obama in florida. Agreed!
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Too much of a grey area. I got in a lot of fights growing up and if i was an American, i would have probably been shot 100 times over. People aren't responsible enough to use weapons in a generalistic sense. As is proven with this case. Zimmerman has zero injuries and what he should have done if shit really did hit the fan. Is pulled the gun, if still no response from the Trayvon kid then incapicate him with a shot to the kneecap. Zimmerman is just a cowardly retard running around with a weapon and that's dangerous.
This is extremely foolish.
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;D. One less vote for obama in florida. Agreed!
seriously, obama could not write a better supporter than zimmerman.
first, obama got to solidify his minirity vote with "if i had a son, he'd look like trayvon", then quickly get out of the way. Romney had no such statement.
Let's see what this story is dishing from the news - economy sucks, romney is the winner. Gee, that helps Obama. He is now winning 61% to 38% over Romney on INTRADE. World gamlers who put their $ where their mouth is believe obama will wreck him.
Obama couldn't get a foothold on anti-gun legisltation with F&F, but THIS? This is great for him and his anti-gun sidekick Bloomberg. You don't have to ban the guns if you can just ban people using them ;)
So yes, Zimmerman is helping obama in these and probably other ways too. Nobody cares about $4 gas - not msnbc and not hannity either dude. They all want to shout about some non-existent race riots lol... it's a few dozen loud people screaming "honkey!" and Hannity can replay that shit for a month. Listen, that shit is stupid and so small it's unbelievable.
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Just ask Dr. Chimp
He knows everything
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Too much of a grey area. I got in a lot of fights growing up and if i was an American, i would have probably been shot 100 times over. People aren't responsible enough to use weapons in a generalistic sense. As is proven with this case. Zimmerman has zero injuries and what he should have done if shit really did hit the fan. Is pulled the gun, if still no response from the Trayvon kid then incapicate him with a shot to the kneecap. Zimmerman is just a cowardly retard running around with a weapon and that's dangerous.
it's tricky. people really can use this 'stand your ground' to shoot anyone they want, and get away with it. I spent an hour at the range last night, chatting with the NRA instructor, and he is a lifetime gun enthusiast... but he agreed the law is pretty much wide open. You don't have to retreat. You don't have to de-escalate. You just have to feel scared, and shoot to kill.
it's a GREAT law for defending yourself. But you have to be careful someone else - someone on meds in perpetual panic mode who is militant and paranoid, etc - doesn't view YOU as a threat and shoot your ass with no de-escalation.
THAT is what ppl forget. Some bald dude with crazy eyes.... eyeballing you as you walk your dog. You say "fuck is your problem man?" and he can literally shoot you in the head - and just tell the police you came at him and he feared for his life. It's really that serious.
SO while I love carrying and have for almost 15 years now... this law is something that people can use to shoot on a whim, no matter their instabilities.
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Exactly. Special Prosecutor and DOJ involved tells the whole story.
I'm not even arguing whether the guy is guilty or innocent. I have a personal opinion on this case, as many of you do. Anybody who has read this thread or others on this topic know where I stand.
My problem is with politicians who have no idea what happened, sticking their noses in this situation because they want to gain some political capital. Lets face facts, Zimmerman is not going to get a fair trial, which he as an American citizen is entitled to. The political forces that want to make sure he is convicted will do everything in their power to make sure he is found guilty so they can appease their constituency. Meanwhile, politicians continue in their corruption unabated and unchallenged while the masses are distracted by what in the greater scheme of things is a trivial issue.
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mike bloomberg waited exactly 10 minutes after the announcement - to hold his own press conference to announce his nationwide stand-your-ground legislation mission.
getbiggers said the actions of their hero zimmerman wouldn't cause an erosion of gun rights. Wrong.
Prosecutors will charge anythign now. Police will look at every legal shoot as a murder. Jurors will be bloodthirsty "this is for Trayvon!"
Zimmerman has been terrible for smart, legal gun carrying americans who don't do dumb shit like run into darkness after an unkonwn threat when police are 3 minutes away. They're donating to him and saying he's "winning" when in reality, he is hurting their gun rights in a big way. At this point, they are starting to see it, but it's hard to backtrack from their original positions.
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mike bloomberg waited exactly 10 minutes after the announcement - to hold his own press conference to announce his nationwide stand-your-ground legislation mission.
getbiggers said the actions of their hero zimmerman wouldn't cause an erosion of gun rights. Wrong.
Prosecutors will charge anythign now. Police will look at every legal shoot as a murder. Jurors will be bloodthirsty "this is for Trayvon!"
Zimmerman has been terrible for smart, legal gun carrying americans who don't do dumb shit like run into darkness after an unkonwn threat when police are 3 minutes away. They're donating to him and saying he's "winning" when in reality, he is hurting their gun rights in a big way. At this point, they are starting to see it, but it's hard to backtrack from their original positions.
When I first heard they instituted the Stand Your Ground law in Florida I knew something like this would happen. The wording of the law is too ambiguous and vague. It was only a matter of time before it would be challenged. If it wasn't this case, it would have been another.
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When I first heard they instituted the Stand Your Ground law in Florida I knew something like this would happen. The wording of the law is too ambiguous and vague. It was only a matter of time before it would be challenged. If it wasn't this case, it would have been another.
I liked the old law. You had a duty to try to de-escalate a situation or retreat. you can shoot on a forcible felony, but just being scared isn't enough.
this didn't include car or house. it was essentially at the mall or movie threater. public places. higher likelihood of cameras or witnesses.
The law is great for gun carriers like me. But it's crazy to think you can have an unstable dude, standing on the street corner, who can legally shoot the face off anyone he decides is a threat. You have guys shoot a person who hasn't touched them because "well, I have a heart condition, and had he touched me, that could have kiled me".
There's just soooo many ways that dickheads can use this as a way to say "if you do ANYTHING I view as a threat, I can legally kill you". Which is shitty. But it's legal. ZImmerman could have said "Get out of my neighborhood, I see your height as a threat, and if you don't flee, I will shoot you" - and yes, it's legal. Cause all that matters is that HE FELT it was a threat. There is no solid legal definition, like you said - too ambigious and vague.
I like crisp laws that are clear. People really can just shoot first and it is just their word against that of a dead man.
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Just ask Dr. Chimp
He knows everything
I'd be the first one to say I don't. But thanks for yet another post which indicates your inability to serve as a peer. You can join 3.14GED after school. Cripes.
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This has got nothing to do with Stand Your Ground and Zimmerman`s lawyers said as much early on. This is textbook Self-Defense.
So Zimmerman should have just risked losing his life as Trayvon pummeled him and jumped on him potentially using his gun against him?
Trayvon did not have to confront and attack Zimmerman. Trayvon should have called the Police if he felt threatened. He didn`t. He chose to attack like an animal and is now dead as a result of his actions.
Why did Trayvon fail to call the police if he felt threatened? Why did he choose to attack? Why is Zimmerman not allowed to use his Firearm for protection?
Clearly Trayvon deserves the Darwin award here.
Um, maybe because he was "standing his ground"?
Prosecution could argue that Zimmerman left his house with his gun with the "intent" to use it. Apparently as a neigborhood watch "volunteer" he is not allowed to have a gun with him...maybe this is precisely the reason. So, he apparently knew the rules, and left his house with the gun...
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The brother botherer will be in protective custody. No way will he be able to mix with gen pop.
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The brother botherer will be in protective custody. No way will he be able to mix with gen pop.
S'truth. The Blacks won't care for him much, and I can't see the Hispanics or Whites looking to recruit him. Reap what you sow.
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S'truth. The Blacks won't care for him much, and I can't see the Hispanics or Whites looking to recruit him. Reap what you sow.
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What did he sow? He defended himself in a street fight that ended in a death. Its not like the dozens dozens and dozens of weekly intentional murders commited by the ghetto street thugs on each other and innocent others.
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Another 10 page thread of accusations and assumptions by people that don't have a clue as to what happened that day.
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What did he sow? He defended himself in a street fight that ended in a death. Its not like the dozens dozens and dozens of weekly intentional murders commited by the ghetto street thugs on each other and innocent others.
Yes. That's right. He 'defended' himself in a fight that he went out of his way to instigate!? I think you're now are officially too stupid for the internet. Wowsers. :-X
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Yes. That's right. He 'defended' himself in a fight that he went out of his way to instigate!? I think you're now are officially too stupid for the internet. Wowsers. :-X
He was the hood watchman due to the fact that black thugs and burglars robbed 8 houses in recent times.
I guess you 95ers like to ignore that.
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He was the hood watchman due to the fact that black thugs and burglars robbed 8 houses in recent times.
I guess you 95ers like to ignore that.
Hehe. He was fat, 28-year-old wanna-be cop, who got in over his head, and had to shoot his way out of a shit-storm of his own invention, but you spin it any way you want, Curtis Sliwa. ::)
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Hehe. He was fat, 28-year-old wanna-be cop, who got in over his head, and had to shoot his way out of a shit-storm of his own invention, but you spin it any way you want, Curtis Sliwa. ::)
Whatever - i can't wait till he walks when the case is tossed on the papers beforte it even hits a jury.
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Whatever - i can't wait till he walks when the case is tossed on the papers beforte it even hits a jury.
Ha! Your witness, Counselor. Oh, sorry, that's right; you only play a lawyer on the internet. ;D
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WAS IT REALLY 2D MURDER?
boblonsberry.com ^ | 04/12/12 | Bob Lonsberry
George Zimmerman is guilty.
Of something.
But I’m not sure it’s second-degree murder.
Unless there is some bit of evidence we don’t know about, unless there is some smoking gun out there, there is nothing in the Florida statute on second-degree murder that sounds like what happened that night.
The special prosecutor got to strut for the cameras last night, but if she can’t deliver the goods, and there is an acquittal, there is going to be hell to pay – and riot police are probably going to get called out.
In a case that has turned out to be more about race politics than the events on the sidewalk of a Florida subdivision, you wonder what last night’s announcement was really about. Was it mollification? Was it the considered opinion of a veteran prosecutor? Was it the first step in a political lynching?
Time will tell.
But here’s what the law book says.
In Florida, there are two ways a person can be guilty of second-degree murder.
In the first, someone has to be killed by someone showing “a depraved mind.” There must also be the perpetration of an act “imminently dangerous to another.” If those two factors exist, without premeditation, in Florida, that’s second-degree murder.
In the second, someone has to be killed by someone who is committing another felony crime. That list of specified felony crimes runs from arson and kidnapping to aircraft piracy and aggravated stalking. But none of the specified crimes – including terrorism – is anything like what George Zimmerman did that night. Specifically, he has not been accused of any other felony crime, so he could not be charged under this part of Florida’s second-degree murder law.
Which gets back to the first part.
Did George Zimmerman commit an act “imminently dangerous to another” and did he do so with “a depraved mind.”
It is clear that shooting a gun at someone is an act that is “imminently dangerous.” But did George Zimmerman fire the gun with “a depraved mind?”
That’s harder to say, and maybe impossible to prove.
Was it “depraved” for a Neighborhood Watch guy to follow a young man down the street? Unwise and ultimately tragic, yes, but depraved?
Not in most dictionaries.
And then there is the aspect of self-defense. If George Zimmerman makes the argument that he was repelling an attack he thought endangered his life or limb, the whole situation changes. The prosecution would have to not only show that George Zimmerman was not in danger, and that no reasonable person would consider themselves endangered in that situation, but that he had a depraved mind.
Unless there’s evidence that we don’t know about, that goes to Zimmerman’s state of mind, that’s a very high standard for the prosecution to meet.
That phrase “beyond a reasonable doubt” is a purposefully difficult level of evidence.
In this case, we only have one version of events – George Zimmerman’s. We can’t presume he is being truthful, but the prosecution will have to affirmatively prove that he is being untruthful. And that will be hard, largely because Trayvon Martin is not here to tell his side of the story.
According to press accounts, a witness verifies Zimmerman’s claim that Trayvon was on top of him hitting him. The enhanced video from the police station shows an injury on the back of his head.
Those things, though not conclusive, are supportive of George Zimmerman’s version of events.
And in the absence of another theory, and evidence to support that theory, you’re not getting to “beyond a reasonable doubt.”
There are practical aspects of trying this charge that will be difficult and disruptive.
How, for example, do you seat a jury?
And what will the racial makeup of that jury be and will that ratio be satisfactory to the people and activists who have been shouting for justice? In the blood lust that is masquerading as justice, how does a trial on this charge lead to anything but chaos?
If George Zimmerman is acquitted, as there seems to be a fair chance he will be, is there a possibility of racial upset or riot? It’s happened before, more than once.
Have we just found this generation’s OJ trial? Have we just found this generation’s Rodney King?
I will trust that this prosecution is not political. But I will have my doubts.
Don’t get me wrong.
It’s George Zimmerman’s fault that Trayvon Martin is dead. If Zimmerman had stayed home or in his vehicle, none of this would have happened.
There is clearly reckless endangerment here, and maybe there is some species of criminally negligent homicide or maybe even a manslaughter. But murder, that’s unlikely, and even less likely of being proven.
So we got headlines last night.
And a show trial sometime down the road.
But after that we may have uncorked hell.
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Pretty sure most courtrooms don't allow cut-and-paste as argument. ::)
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the only evidence that trayvon was the attacker? Zimmerman's word.
Can anyone else list any evidence or witness as to who actually STARTED the fight?
We have plenty of witnesses saying trayvon was whooping fat guy's ass. We only have fart guys' word on who started it.
Can ANYONE show the evidence that the kid started it? IMO, logically, THIS path seems to be the realistic one. Remember, TM's GF said she heard "why are you following me" from trayon, and "what are you doing here" from trayvon. Looks like trayvon was walking right to his house. If either person was playing yard ninja, doesn't it make sense that the sneaky dude calling 911 and trailing trayvon would be the one to do it?
The black arrow is trayvon's assumed path - from the front of the park, to his street where he was headed. The yellow path seems a lot more likely of a guy doing a little yard ninja'ing as he attempted to follow or sneak up on trayvon and see where he was going.
This is logically the path, I believe. Fits the girlfriend's words and it's pretty much what you'd expect from a neighborhood watch dude - going around the apt complex to try to catch a crime in progress and be in position to have the kid trapped in the middle, should he flee police. IMO, he was preparing to be the hero when the police chased trayvon - if trayvon ran - he could be the guy who heroically tackled the bad guy.
Then, of course, the police took 3 minutes to get there and shit went sideways.
This path is verified by the GF story, and common sense. I dont know of any evidence supporting TM playing yard ninja.
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the only evidence that trayvon was the attacker? Zimmerman's word.
Can anyone else list any evidence or witness as to who actually STARTED the fight?
We have plenty of witnesses saying trayvon was whooping fat guy's ass. We only have fart guys' word on who started it.
Can ANYONE show the evidence that the kid started it? IMO, logically, THIS path seems to be the realistic one. Remember, TM's GF said she heard "why are you following me" from trayon, and "what are you doing here" from trayvon. Looks like trayvon was walking right to his house. If either person was playing yard ninja, doesn't it make sense that the sneaky dude calling 911 and trailing trayvon would be the one to do it?
The black arrow is trayvon's assumed path - from the front of the park, to his street where he was headed. The yellow path seems a lot more likely of a guy doing a little yard ninja'ing as he attempted to follow or sneak up on trayvon and see where he was going.
This is logically the path, I believe. Fits the girlfriend's words and it's pretty much what you'd expect from a neighborhood watch dude - going around the apt complex to try to catch a crime in progress and be in position to have the kid trapped in the middle, should he flee police. IMO, he was preparing to be the hero when the police chased trayvon - if trayvon ran - he could be the guy who heroically tackled the bad guy.
Then, of course, the police took 3 minutes to get there and shit went sideways.
This path is verified by the GF story, and common sense. I dont know of any evidence supporting TM playing yard ninja.
Not to mention the police report alone vindicates Zimmerman
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Can you provide a medical report or photos of the injuries he received that night? Neither could his lawyer when asked to. The flotsam ( ;D sorry I had to do it)keep swearing up and down he was "attacked." He wasn't attacked which is why he was charged with murder II. They are not doing it to to appease the angry public or hoping for him to plea to a lesser charge. And when all the shit comes out all you maggots will squirm and make excuses instead of just excepting the fact that a innocent kid was murdered. You idiots are so full of hate that no matter what evidence will be revealed during the trial you'll cry and moan about how Zimmerman is just another innocent white man who's treatment was unjust. :'(
Its all in the police report and it vindicates him. This is going to be great fun when he gets acquitted. Better have some protection.
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This path is verified by the GF story, and common sense. I dont know of any evidence supporting TM playing yard ninja.
Very nice community!
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I'd be the first one to say I don't. But thanks for yet another post which indicates your inability to serve as a peer. You can join 3.14GED after school. Cripes.
You're the man! I wish I could be you.
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tommy holds the title belt in IHOP parking lot MMA. Be respectful.
Actually I lost that title to an unknown brute way back in 2002.
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You're the man! I wish I could be you.
For starters, drop the ebonics, pick up your pants, take the fake gold teeth out, cut the dread locks, get rid of the spinners and bling, start drinking a civilized beer as opposed to Colt 45, etc
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For starters, drop the ebonics, pick up your pants, take the fake gold teeth out, cut the dread locks, get rid of the spinners and bling, start drinking a civilized beer as opposed to Colt 45, etc
Dont smoke or drink
Dont have dreads
Dont own a pair of "spinners"
Dont wear fake gold teeth
Dont wear my pants off my behind
I find it hilarious when people like you, dr. chimps, or archie label me as racist. All my friends are either white or asian. How am I racist? ??? ::)
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the police report.... i dunno...
police chief resigned. state & federal investigations underway because they both deemed this small town police investigation to have too many anomalies.
lead investigator wanted to charge murder - but the chief and local prosecutor rushed in late on a sunday night (possibly after a call from zimm's judge dad) to shut down the investigation.
So I dont know if that police report - an account based solely upon the words of zimm, with all the motive in the world to lie - is that credible.
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The entire State of Florida should hold their head in shame over this prosecution by public perception.
Eric Holder and his minions are a goddamn disgrace to justice in this country.
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Referencing the "police report" as a factual document. . . even the King laughs at such naivete.
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Even in todays appearance in court, with crystal clear video, zimmerlie has no scars, no visual damage from his "life & death" beating. Everything he says is a lie. Everything. If my life were at stake, I would lie too.
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At his current bodyweight, trayVon would have murdered zimmerman by caving his face in with his bare hands
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The fuck is wrong with you Adam??? Don't play that stupid redneck shit up here.
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i believe he sustained a bloody nose and a bump on back of head - from getting punched in face, and falling down and hitting his head.
which mean it's weak as hell, but he could claim he feared for life, and shot.
HOWEVER - his lying ass exaggerating shit to police was why he was charged. let's see - despite the fact it was a 10 r 15 second struggle by all 911 reports, he claimed he was smashed head against sidewalk for 60 seconds (inconsistent with injuries and call). He claimed trayvon said "you're going to die tonight" - which none of the recordings got, even though they heard everything else.
he TRIED to deliver the 4 tenets of a perfectly legal shoot - "I was about to pass out", "He said he was going to kill me", "I'd taken a crazy beating and feared for my life", and "he was about to take my gun".
All 4 and you have a legal shoot. The evidence shows he sure didn't have those 4. And instead of just saying "hey, I got punched and hit my head, he pinned me, I got scared and yell for 8 seconds, then shot", which was the TRUTH - he decided to embellish.
And when you kill someone, prosecutors hate smoe exaggerating ass MFers. So he might go to prison for exaggerating and bullshitting. People do it all the time after shoots, and they go to jail for it. Tell the police the truth, a-hole.
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At his current bodyweight, trayVon would have murdered zimmerman by caving his face in with his bare hands
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The killer is definitely going for symmetry as opposed to mass. Good idea? I'm not too sure.
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Does anyone know if his legal defense fund is still up?
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The fuck is wrong with you Adam??? Don't play that stupid redneck shit up here.
You are good people my friend. It doesn`t apply to you at all.
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you can see SHAQUANDA in the back ground giving zimmerman the Oh no you didnt modafuka look
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(http://videos.brokencurve.com/b9a68a1ee1184e36a472bd1d20ea8ceb.jpg)
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Yeah, you're one of the "good ones". He just hates "the bad ones." Just know your place and don't be uppity.
Goodrum never been uppity towards Adonis.
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Yeah, you're one of the "good ones". He just hates "the bad ones." Just know your place and don't be uppity.
shit - TA aint got nothin on me - I advocate work farms in the weltering heat for the thugs on welfare
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Just provide proof of injury. His nose was broken and his head was smashed on the pavement. Photos or a medical report and this would have never happened. Photos or a medical report and it all goes away. This could have been presented to the public over a month ago before he was charged. He wasn't assaulted you dumb fucks. No reason to not make public proof of the injuries he supposed sustained after being attacked. He was not charged. For over a fucking month they had the opportunity to shut everybody the Fuck up. So where is it team racist of getbig? Explain why that is? No Jessie, no sharpton, no protests if they only had provided proof. Not only is there no proof but there was a cover up by the police department. Which apparently has happened before. Care to explain why the chief of police resigned when it was announced that the feds were going to investigate? Want proof racism and police corruption still exist in america in 2012? Here it is, and it will be a fucking televised circus. Instead of blaming the blacks for all this maybe you should consider that Zimmerman, his father and all the rest of their cronies including the police department which tried to cover up that a murder took place is responsible. They are the reason you'll be bitching for the next year or two about how tired you are hearing about race and the tension between whites and blacks on tv non stop. Enjoy.
Yeah, you're one of the "good ones". He just hates "the bad ones." Just know your place and don't be uppity.
You've done good work in this thread, kid. 8)
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To all you people carrying a concealed gun. Always remember to also carry a shank in your sock to plant on the perp ;) Also wouldn't hurt to stab yourself in the leg after you shoot.
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The prosecutors must prove Zimmerman's shooting of Martin was rooted in hatred or ill will and counter his claims that he shot Martin to protect himself while patrolling his gated community in the Orlando suburb of Sanford. Zimmerman's lawyers would only have to prove by a preponderance of evidence – a relatively low legal standard – that he acted in self-defense at a pretrial hearing to prevent the case from going to trial.
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Does anyone know if his legal defense fund is still up?
At Last. A good question. Anyone?
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At Last. A good question. Anyone?
http://therealgeorgezimmerman.com/ (http://therealgeorgezimmerman.com/)
excepting
visa, mastercard american, express discover, and bank atm cards
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At Last. A good question. Anyone?
Yes. zimmercrumb's website is taking donations. Here is the link:
tommywishbone@hotmail.com/moneymoneymoney
We they accept cash too.
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Whatever way you want to cut it, shooting someone when engaged is a simple altercation is a hugely cowardly bitch move.
Far better world with idiots like Zim Zim behind bars.
Have you ever had a fight with a balck man? It breaks down like this
A. You knock him out and he gets a gun and shoots you
B. You knock him out and he comes back with his friends and jumps you
C. And this is the most likely scenerio He jumps you with 7 freinds right off the hop and steals your wallet and car keys.
There is a reason balcks are profiled. THEY DESERVE IT
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Have you ever had a fight with a balck man? It breaks down like this
A. You knock him out and he gets a gun and shoots you
B. You knock him out and he comes back with his friends and jumps you
C. And this is the most likely scenerio He jumps you with 7 freinds right off the hop and steals your wallet and car keys.
There is a reason balcks are profiled. THEY DESERVE IT
Son, what in the blue blazes are you talking about?
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Son, what in the blue blazes are you talking about?
Im saying they cant fiight fair and zimmerman did what he had to do to protect his family and himself th end
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Prosecutor's quandary: Zimmerman may be indicted, then acquitted
By Alan M. Dershowitz , Special to CNN
updated 11:37 AM EDT, Wed April 11, 2012
Editor's note: Alan Dershowitz is the Felix Frankfurter professor of law at Harvard Law School.
(CNN) -- On the basis of the evidence currently in the public record, one likely outcome of the case against George Zimmerman is a mixed one: There may be sufficient evidence for a reasonable prosecutor to indict him for manslaughter, but there may also be doubt sufficient for a reasonable jury to acquit him.
Any such predictions should be accepted with an abundance of caution, however, because the evidence known to the special prosecutor, but not to the public, may paint a different picture. It may be stronger or weaker.
Media reports suggest that police found Zimmerman with grass stains on the back of his shirt, bloody bruises on the back of his head and other indicia that may support his contention that Trayvon Martin was banging his head against the ground when Zimmerman shot him.
Alan DershowitzWe don't know what Martin's body or clothing show, other than the fatal bullet wound. If there are no comparable bruises or grass stains and if the bullet wound and powder residue establish that the gun was fired at very close range, this too might support a claim of self-defense.
Then there is a recorded cry for help, which, if it turns out to be the voice of Martin, would undercut the defense -- if the voice analysis passes scientific muster and is deemed admissible into evidence.
There may be additional forensic evidence -- or witnesses -- of which we are now unaware, though it is unlikely there is a "smoking gun."
Finally, there is the overarching and historically painful reality that an unarmed black teenager lies dead at the hand of an armed Hispanic man who ignored a dispatcher's advice not to follow and engage the "suspect," and who may have -- and this too is forensically unclear -- uttered a racial epithet while chasing him.
These "facts" give rise to several possible scenarios of what may actually have occurred on that dark rainy night. Under the Florida self-defense statute, it matters greatly what happened, most especially who "initially provoke[d] the use of force," and who started the physical encounter.
If Zimmerman initially provoked the deadly encounter, then he cannot invoke any "stand your ground" defense. He would then be under a legal obligation to "exhaust ... every reasonable means to escape."
Though this statute is anything but a model of clarity, it does suggest that whoever "provokes" a deadly encounter has a heavy burden of justification in claiming self-defense. But the statute doesn't define "provokes," and that ambiguous word may hold the key to the outcome of this tragic case.
If provocation is limited to a physical assault, and if Zimmerman's account that Martin blindsided him with a punch is believed, then Zimmerman did not provoke the encounter. But if provocation includes following the victim and harassing him, then Zimmerman may well qualify as a provocateur. Moreover, a jury may believe that Zimmerman started the physical confrontation by grabbing Martin. This would almost certainly constitute provocation.
But to complicate matters further, even a provocateur has the legal right to defend himself under Florida law if he can't escape and if he is in imminent danger of death or great bodily harm, as Zimmerman claims he was.
All this goes to show how factually driven this case is under Florida law. And we don't yet know all the facts. The special prosecutor, who has said she will not use a grand jury to decide whether to indict Zimmerman, has an obligation to consider all the evidence and to apply the law to the facts.
All she needs in order to indict is probable cause that a crime has been committed. A jury that ultimately decides whether the defendant is guilty needs much more: proof beyond a reasonable doubt. But what if a prosecutor concludes that there is both probable cause and a reasonable doubt?
That is the nightmare scenario that this prosecutor may well face. In ordinary circumstances, most prosecutors would not bring such a case, because it would be a waste of resources to indict someone who will probably be acquitted. But this is anything but a run-of-the-mill case.
Moreover, the Florida statute provides an additional layer of protection to a defendant claiming self-defense: A judge must decide whether the defendant is "immune from prosecution," that is, if the judge believes his actions fall under the law of self-defense.
So the following mixed outcome is certainly possible: The special prosecutor indicts; the judge does or doesn't grant immunity; if he doesn't, the jury acquits.
Many people would be unhappy with such a mixed outcome, but it is not the job of the law to make people happy.
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Zimmerman looks like Jalen Rose.
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what a true aryan zimmerman is... he is so mean and white :'( :-X
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what a true Caucasian zimmerman is... he is so mean and white :'( :-X
I never like to hear about a young person dying. Black white or asian However the man has a right to defend himself.
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Im saying they cant fiight fair and zimmerman did what he had to do to protect his family and himself th end
Son, now what in the blue blazes are you talking about?
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zimmerman was told by 911 to stop following the kid and he refused. He wanted to start something and now he's on trial for murder. He has no defense.
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At Last. A good question. Anyone?
It is an irrelevant question coming from PEA BRAIN, doc.
He has no job and no money. PEA BRAIN won't be sending his hero Zimmerman (like him, a mentally disturbed racist man who did what PEA BRAIN would like to do, but is too pussy to ever try...shoot an unarmed Black man) a dime.
In addition, much like PEA BRAIN, Zimmerman has no money (did he have a paying job, or just live broke and bitter with mom and dad...like PEA BRAIN) and could not even afford a lawyer.
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Prosecutor's quandary: Zimmerman may be indicted, then acquitted
By Alan M. Dershowitz , Special to CNN
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20 years ago, Alan put up some good editorials.Now, just a media whore. Pay is good, I guess.
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It is an irrelevant question coming from PEA BRAIN, doc.
He has no job and no money. PEA BRAIN won't be sending his hero Zimmerman (like him, a mentally disturbed racist man who did what PEA BRAIN would like to do, but is too pussy to ever try...shoot an unarmed Black man) a dime.
In addition, much like PEA BRAIN, Zimmerman has no money (did he have a paying job, or just live broke and bitter with mom and dad...like PEA BRAIN) and could not even afford a lawyer.
MELTDOWN - take your hood off and pull your pants up!
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It is an irrelevant question coming from PEA BRAIN, doc.
He has no job and no money. PEA BRAIN won't be sending his hero Zimmerman (like him, a mentally disturbed racist man who did what PEA BRAIN would like to do, but is too pussy to ever try...shoot an unarmed Black man) a dime.
In addition, much like PEA BRAIN, Zimmerman has no money (did he have a paying job, or just live broke and bitter with mom and dad...like PEA BRAIN) and could not even afford a lawyer.
;D ;D LOL! hahaha. By the way, who the hell is PEA BRAIN? and why is he not working?
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I've found the real killer. zimmergirl has an evil twin.
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It is an irrelevant question coming from PEA BRAIN, doc.
He has no job and no money. PEA BRAIN won't be sending his hero Zimmerman (like him, a mentally disturbed racist man who did what PEA BRAIN would like to do, but is too pussy to ever try...shoot an unarmed Black man) a dime.
In addition, much like PEA BRAIN, Zimmerman has no money (did he have a paying job, or just live broke and bitter with mom and dad...like PEA BRAIN) and could not even afford a lawyer.
Nicely played, Counselor. But I still want an answer. Follow the man, the money, etc.
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it does appear that Zimmerman isn't going with a public defender attorney, so someone other then zimmerman has to be paying these bills for him
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;D ;D LOL! hahaha. By the way, who the hell is PEA BRAIN? and why is he not working?
PEA BRAIN is the "Official Getbig Moniker" of our beloved loser, "333386".
I imagine he doesn't work because he has serious mental problems that allow him to collect disability. That, or he is simply a lazy garlic-reeking piece of shit that employers take one look at and say, "No way do I want this psycho as part of my business."
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PEA BRAIN is the "Official Getbig Moniker" of our beloved loser, "333386".
I imagine he doesn't work because he has serious mental problems that allow him to collect disability. That, or he is simply a lazy garlic-reeking piece of shit that employers take one look at and say, "No way do I want this psycho as part of my business."
As opposed to a glorified bathroom attendant who worships obama like the great magic massa from Kenya? LOL.
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BB! 333333! I order you to cease & desist.
We are all here to ridicule, judge and condemn the killer zimmerwhateverthefuck. Carry on.
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BB! 333333! I order you to cease & desist.
We are all here to ridicule, judge and condemn the killer zimmerwhateverthefuck. Carry on.
Zimmerman is a fat fuck! Good?
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As opposed to a glorified bathroom attendant who worships obama like the great magic massa from Kenya? LOL.
You should hope to get a job as a bathroom attendant PEA BRAIN...it would be a step up from what you do all day at present. Masturbating to internet porn and crying about Obama ruining your life online for sixteen hours a day, seven days a week. Afraid to leave your apartment because there are Blacks and Puerto Ricans out their who terrify you. :P
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You should hope to get a job as a bathroom attendant PEA BRAIN...it would be a step up from what you do all day at present. Masturbating to internet porn and crying about Obama ruining your life online for sixteen hours a day, seven days a week. Afraid to leave your apartment because there are Blacks and Puerto Ricans out their who terrify you. :P
PATHETIC
No - they only break into cars on my block, hang out on the porches, slack across the intersections during green lights cause their pants are falling down, etc.
People are safer in the Bronx Zoo w the lions and aligators than on the Grand ConCourse.
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No - they only break into cars on my block, hang out on the porches, slack across the intersections during green lights cause their pants are falling down, etc.
People are safer in the Bronx Zoo w the lions and aligators than on the Grand ConCourse.
Why don't you step outside and take a couple of them on Zimmerman-style, PB? You are a self-proclaimed gun-toting martial arts bad ass after all.
What's your latest lie rationale for why you live in what is apparently such a terrible neighborhood? ::) Looking for the New York Lotto to give you your "big break" in life?
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Grand Concourse sounds like the place to be then?
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Grand Concourse sounds like the place to be then?
It used to be back in the day when the jews lived there. They then built Co-op city in the Bronx as well as expanded public housing and the entire place got destroyed over a few years.
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Zimmerman walks as I said. Its clear that Ghetto Martin started this when he decided to attack Zimmerman for no reason whatsoever.
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It used to be back in the day when the jews lived there. They then built Co-op city in the Bronx as well as expanded public housing and the entire place got destroyed over a few years.
Minorities do destroy everything they get their hands on. I can`t find one city or place in America that has improved when they got their hands on real estate. Everything they touch turns to shit.
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The words "Affordable Housing" have destroyed many once beautiful areas of the United States all in an attempt to house pure animals cheaply.
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Just provide proof of injury. His nose was broken and his head was smashed on the pavement. Photos or a medical report and this would have never happened. Photos or a medical report and it all goes away. This could have been presented to the public over a month ago before he was charged. He wasn't assaulted you dumb fucks. No reason to not make public proof of the injuries he supposed sustained after being attacked. He was not charged. For over a fucking month they had the opportunity to shut everybody the Fuck up. So where is it team racist of getbig? Explain why that is? No Jessie, no sharpton, no protests if they only had provided proof. Not only is there no proof but there was a cover up by the police department. Which apparently has happened before. Care to explain why the chief of police resigned when it was announced that the feds were going to investigate? Want proof racism and police corruption still exist in america in 2012? Here it is, and it will be a fucking televised circus. Instead of blaming the blacks for all this maybe you should consider that Zimmerman, his father and all the rest of their cronies including the police department which tried to cover up that a murder took place is responsible. They are the reason you'll be bitching for the next year or two about how tired you are hearing about race and the tension between whites and blacks on tv non stop. Enjoy.
Ohhhh, there was a police cover up, which has "apparently" happened before.....riiiiiight.
Jesus H. Christ some people are stupid.
Zimmerman was arrested to appease the empty-headed, squeaky wheels in "da community", nothing more.
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I don't know about work farms but anybody on welfare should be required to be working for the state in some way to save tax dollars. This is IF they are not working, they're are people who receive food stamps and section 8 housing and are employed. All should be drug tested and required to be on birth control. If you have more kids than you can support financially without assistance even if employed that should be a requirement. If you don't like it get a second job or find a man willing to support you. It should also be said that some single mothers who do work but don't receive child support from the fathers receive health insurance and a smaller amount of food stamps from the state. Those fathers should be held accountable immediately not 5 years down the road. If they are unemployed they should have to provide proof of job searches and also work for the state in some way as well. Picking up trash, park maintenance, janitorial for schools etc.
damn right!
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This fucking guy looks worried, look at those eyes
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‘Trayvon' shouted as group attacks Good Samaritan
gainesville.com ^ | April 12, 2012 | Chad Smith
The name of Trayvon Martin was invoked again during an attack in Gainesville on Wednesday night by a group that police say stomped on a white man who was scuffling with a black robbery suspect on the Bo Diddley Community Plaza.
The suspect, Carl Milton Babb, 50, had been released from prison earlier in the day after serving more than two years in prison for the same crime he is accused of committing Wednesday -- snatching a purse from a woman near the downtown plaza.
According to a Gainesville Police Department arrest report, Babb approached a woman eating dinner at the Lunchbox on the plaza at about 8:50 p.m. and asked her for a light.
When she said she didn't have one, Babb took off with her purse, which held her $500 cell phone, according to the report.
The woman's dinner companion and another person took off after Babb.
When her friend caught up with him, Babb punched him in the face and grabbed his hair, but he was able to keep Babb pinned down, according to the report.
The scene attracted a crowd, and a number of people on the plaza approached Babb and the Good Samaritan, who tried to explain that Babb had just stolen his friend's purse.
But they either didn't hear him or didn't care, as they circled in on the pair.
GPD spokeswoman Cpl. Angelina Valuri said some members of the crowd shouted “Trayvon” and at least three of them began stomping on the hands of the woman's friend to force him to let go of Babb.
(Excerpt) Read more at gainesville.com ...
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Minorities do destroy everything they get their hands on. I can`t find one city or place in America that has improved when they got their hands on real estate. Everything they touch turns to shit.
The black population in your city is 3 times the average U.S. city's black population. Are you saying that your city is shit? :D
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;D
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So, is Zimmer free or what
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all blacks should be treated as equals ??? :-X
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JESUS H. CHRIST SOME PEOPLE ARE STUPID.
Yes....you are.
You do nothing more than parrot what CNN and MSNBC are telling you. I can only hope that stupidity causes pain.
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Yes....you are.
You do nothing more than parrot what CNN and MSNBC are telling you. I can only hope that stupidity causes pain.
dont bother with wigger-of-iron. he is the ultimate cuckoldee
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I really think 33333386 is a black man.
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I really think 33333386 is a black man.
No - im a bronx dago who is sick of the thugs destroying everything in site and walking around with a chip on their shoulder all the time.
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No - im a bronx dago who is sick of the thugs destroying everything in site and walking around with a chip on their shoulder all the time.
no you're a brotha ;D
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The black population in your city is 3 times the average U.S. city's black population. Are you saying that your city is shit? :D
??? You`ve got the wrong city there detective.
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all blacks should be treated as equals ??? :-X
nigg math: 30x3=110
also wtf is up with the front sight being flipped completely up like that?
dont bother with wigger-of-iron. he is the ultimate cuckoldee
the funny part is that he is racist towards asians and latinos, but acts like some kind of enlightened socialite because he supports "da blakc mans struggle"
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all blacks should be treated as equals ??? :-X
Call animal control - geez. What a bunch of thugs and criminals.
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So, is Zimmer free or what
his FL country does not offer bail for 2nd degree murder, so his lawyer did not even ask for it.
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Asians and Latinos?
Oohhh....I remember you. You're that filthy Russian. Still mad bro? I'm not racist, but there are certain nationalities I'm not too fond of...I hate islam. Deadpan's still mad cause I pointed out the high percentage of Russian immigrants on welfare and involved in drugs, car theft, credit card fraud and teenage prostitution.
what we have here is a true to the bone confused eminem wigger..
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Asians and Latinos?
Oohhh....I remember you. You're that filthy Russian. Still mad bro? I'm not racist, but there are certain nationalities I'm not too fond of...I hate islam. Deadpan's still mad cause I pointed out the high percentage of Russian immigrants on welfare and involved in drugs, car theft, credit card fraud and teenage prostitution.
"i'm not racist but i hate islam"
^^^^^ dumbass-of-iron logic
and what is your response that a large population of blacks follow islam and associate the most with that religion?
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He said "I'm tired of the fcking assholes" as he disobeyed the 911 operator and engaged in a gun battle with an unarmed minor.
You gotta charge that. you gotta.
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He said "I'm tired of the fcking assholes" as he disobeyed the 911 operator and engaged in a gun battle with an unarmed minor.
You gotta charge that. you gotta.
Not always.
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Not always.
i suppose there are always exceptions. But that recording is pretty damning. he was clearly angry as he entered that confrontation, nobody denies that. He obviously exaggerated shit before and after the shoot. We know he had a history with young minorities in his community breaking in.
The end result was that he lied (yes, he exaggerated the facts, we know this from the recordings), and an exaggeration to police is a lie.
You lie to police, they charge your ass with murder. The shoot itself was LEGAL, I believe. But the anger before and the lies after - his ass gets charged. He might beat it, he might not. But you can't lie to police, and that "i was slammed on concrete for 60 seconds" was a fcking lie. Period.
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airline of peace ::) ::)
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Uhh, I don't feel anyway about it. There's been a couple terror plots in my state alone involving Muslims who were black. They should be shot. I love my country. I'm proud of my heritage as everyone should be but I don't feel I'm superior to anyone else because I have white skin. 60% of the global population of Muslims is in asia. 20% in the middle east and north africa. Russia is home to more Muslims than Jordan and Libya combined. Figures...filthy Russians.
"hey im cross of iron, i hate asians, latinos, russians and muslims (that's like most of the world population btw). but im not racist! srs guize im not. "
oh and your sig says "team kill zimmerman"? yeah thats a totally reasonable response, considering we don't even have all the facts yet. just lynch the mexican bastard.
rusty is right you're confused as shit. typical "high society" closet racist.
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You seem to be the one confused here. Islam is a religion. And I never said I hated Latinos or asians. Russians aren't a race, they are a nation of violent, rude, alcoholic scum. I hate Russians. ;D
Asians and Latinos?
Oohhh....I remember you. You're that filthy Russian. Still mad bro? I'm not racist, but there are certain nationalities I'm not too fond of...I hate islam. Deadpan's still mad cause I pointed out the high percentage of Russian immigrants on welfare and involved in drugs, car theft, credit card fraud and teenage prostitution.
LOL contradicting yourself at every turn. The sad part is that I even knew you were going to pull that "Islam is a religion not a nationality" shit the moment you wrote it. Honestly I'm getting bored, it's waaay too easy to push your buttons. I think i'll go drink a bunch of vodka and steal some cars instead. :D
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Wow, a teenager flipping off a web cam. He deserves to be shot obviously. I guess that makes it ok to start blasting white teenagers too cause you know none of them do anything like that...
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Well said. Can't tell you how many bratty, white teenage girls I've seen doing the "Flip off" pose. Let's line them all up and shoot them.
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Bill Belichick looks suspicious to me. Don't you agree 333386?
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??? You`ve got the wrong city there detective.
You don't live in Warrenton anymore? Did you sell your house? ???
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It's now being reported... The person screaming for help on the 911 phone call before the gun went off was travon
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Harvard Prof. Alan Dershowitz: Zimmerman Arrest Affidavit ‘Irresponsible And Unethical’
VIDEO
by Noah Rothman | 6:19 pm, April 12th, 2012
» 257 comments
Harvard University law professor Alan Dershowitz appeared on MSNBC’s Hardball where fill-in host Michel Smerconish asked him his opinions of the arrest warrant issued and carried out for alleged Trayvon Martin murderer, George Zimmerman. Dershowitz called the affidavit justifying Zimmerman’s arrest “not only thin, it’s irresponsible.” He went on to criticize the decision to charge Zimmerman for second degree murder by special prosecutor Angela Corey as being politically motivated.
RELATED: Trayvon Martin’s Mother Following Zimmerman Arrest: ‘The Heart Has No Color’
“You’ve seen the affidavit of probable cause. What do you make of it,” Smerconish asked. “It won’t suffice,” Dershowitz replied without hesitation.
“Most affidavits of probable cause are very thin. This is so thin that it won’t make it past a judge on a second degree murder charge,” Dershowitz said. “There’s simply nothing in there that would justify second degree murder.”
Dershowitz said that the elements that would constitute that crime are non-existent in the affidavit. “It’s not only thin, it’s irresponsible,” said Dershowitz.
Dershowitz went on to strongly criticize Corey’s decision to move forward with the case against Zimmerman. “I think what you have here is an elected public official who made a campaign speech last night for reelection when she gave her presentation and overcharged. This case will not – if the evidence is no stronger than what appears in the probable cause affidavit – this case will result in an acquittal.”
Smerconish identified the total lack of any mention of the supposed fight that occurred between Martin and Zimmerman prior to Martin being shot. He said he was disappointed that he did not see any mention of that conflict that led to Martin’s murder.
“But it’s worse than that,” said Dershowitz. “It’s irresponsible and unethical in not including material that favors the defendant.”
“This affidavit does not even make it to probable cause,” Dershowitz concluded. “everything in the affidavit is completely consistent with a defense of self-defense. Everything.”
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TA said it was zimmerhead. He was there!
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Harvard Prof. Alan Dershowitz: Zimmerman Arrest Affidavit ‘Irresponsible And Unethical’
VIDEO
by Noah Rothman | 6:19 pm, April 12th, 2012
» 257 comments
Harvard University law professor Alan Dershowitz appeared on MSNBC’s Hardball where fill-in host Michel Smerconish asked him his opinions of the arrest warrant issued and carried out for alleged Trayvon Martin murderer, George Zimmerman. Dershowitz called the affidavit justifying Zimmerman’s arrest “not only thin, it’s irresponsible.” He went on to criticize the decision to charge Zimmerman for second degree murder by special prosecutor Angela Corey as being politically motivated.
RELATED: Trayvon Martin’s Mother Following Zimmerman Arrest: ‘The Heart Has No Color’
“You’ve seen the affidavit of probable cause. What do you make of it,” Smerconish asked. “It won’t suffice,” Dershowitz replied without hesitation.
“Most affidavits of probable cause are very thin. This is so thin that it won’t make it past a judge on a second degree murder charge,” Dershowitz said. “There’s simply nothing in there that would justify second degree murder.”
Dershowitz said that the elements that would constitute that crime are non-existent in the affidavit. “It’s not only thin, it’s irresponsible,” said Dershowitz.
Dershowitz went on to strongly criticize Corey’s decision to move forward with the case against Zimmerman. “I think what you have here is an elected public official who made a campaign speech last night for reelection when she gave her presentation and overcharged. This case will not – if the evidence is no stronger than what appears in the probable cause affidavit – this case will result in an acquittal.”
Smerconish identified the total lack of any mention of the supposed fight that occurred between Martin and Zimmerman prior to Martin being shot. He said he was disappointed that he did not see any mention of that conflict that led to Martin’s murder.
“But it’s worse than that,” said Dershowitz. “It’s irresponsible and unethical in not including material that favors the defendant.”
“This affidavit does not even make it to probable cause,” Dershowitz concluded. “everything in the affidavit is completely consistent with a defense of self-defense. Everything.”
Oh snap....those of the nappy headed persuasion are going to be mighty upset. ::)
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Has gh15 mentioned yet if hes going to convict or free Zimmerman?
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Zimmercreeps jail purchases today. ;D
Article: "George Zimmerman is cooling his heals in jail, where he recently purchased a collection of items from the Seminole County jail store to help pass the time.
The Miami Herald recently tweeted a photo of a receipt from Zimmerman's $79.84 purchases that included playing cards, puzzle books, and Jolly Rancher candy.
Zimmerman also bought socks, a debit card for phone calls, Ivory soap, underwear, beef sticks, t-shirts, deodorant, chocolate cookies, and one orange. The purchase left $41.36 on Zimmerman's account.
Zimmerman, 28, has been charged with second-degree murder in the shooting death of 17-year-old Trayvon Martin."
Dude will be catabolic by midnight. He'll never even make the evening show.
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he bought beef sticks. I think that speaks for itself.
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Dude will be catabolic by midnight. He'll never even make the evening show
But will the glutes be stridated?
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To all the Zimmerpig Nuthuggers, was it good to see your man squirm like the little piggy he is - OINK OINK - here Zimmerpiggy, here Zimmerpiggy, good little zimmerpiggy! OH Boy, Black Mans Bitch within one week, guaranteed!
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To all the Zimmerpig Nuthuggers, was it good to see your man squirm like the little piggy he is - OINK OINK - here Zimmerpiggy, here Zimmerpiggy, good little zimmerpiggy! OH Boy, Black Mans Bitch within one week, guaranteed!
Zimmerman should just tape a job application to his ass and the thugs and animals will want nothing to do with him. Job applications are like kyrptonite to the thugs.
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Dread lox.
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Dread lox.
There are black israeilites no?
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No - they only break into cars on my block, hang out on the porches, slack across the intersections during green lights cause their pants are falling down, etc.
People are safer in the Bronx Zoo w the lions and aligators than on the Grand ConCourse.
Oh, the humanity.
It takes a strong man to withstand that.
Luckily, you're a warrior.
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I wonder if Zimmerman would of followed this guy...
Probably not...but you would suck his cock in a New York minute ;)
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Zimmerman should just tape a job application to his ass and the thugs and animals will want nothing to do with him. Job applications are like kyrptonite to the thugs.
What about black US Marines?
How about you take your tough guy talk to them and tell them what pieces of garbage they are?
You're super tough and have a lot of guns, so they would probably cower in fear anyway.
Oh yeah, please get a video for us.
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What about black US Marines?
How about you take your tough guy talk to them and tell them what pieces of garbage they are?
You're super tough and have a lot of guns, so they would probably cower in fear anyway.
Oh yeah, please get a video for us.
Comparing inmates to Marines?
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Comparing inmates to Marines?
Nice try.
You've got about 50 thousand posts calling black people thugs and savages.
I bet you keep your little bitch mouth shut in public.
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To be fair, sometimes you take a break so that you can make fun of veterans with Tramautic Brain Injury.
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To be fair, sometimes you take a break so that you can make fun of veterans with Tramautic Brain Injury.
You get what you give.
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You get what you give.
I have no idea what this means.
How are things at the ole law firm today?
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Random picture of North Korean's chubby little president.
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Probably not...but you would suck his cock in a New York minute ;)
Just another day at the office for groink...
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You mad bro?
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Just another day at the office for groink...
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You mad bro?
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Mad at what..you?
ha ha ....let me know when you move out of mommys basement ;)
How about putting that pic of your "massive" arm back up , "dildo of iron"...it's so impressive :D
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So what are they saying about Schwimmerman now?
Go out fatboy?
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Zimmerpuff's new judge looks quite hitable.
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Ohh Jesus a woman judge ::) Mine as well just throw him in Jail and get it over with.
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Judge In George Zimmerman Case May Step Down Over Conflict Of Interest
Jaywon Choe | 3 minutes ago | 11 | 1
A conflict of interest may force the judge in George Zimmerman's criminal trial to recuse herself, according to Yamiche Alcindor of USA Today.
During a brief status hearing today, Circuit Judge Jessica Recksiedler disclosed that her husband works for a lawyer that Zimmerman contacted earlier. Recksiedler's husband has also been hired by CNN to serve as an analyst in the case, according to Fox 4 Sacramento.
No formal appeal has been made yet, but Zimmerman's attorney, Mark O'Mara, said the issue does worry him and that he will decide by Monday whether he will request a new judge.
Meanwhile, the state attorney's prosecuting Zimmerman will not file a motion to get a new judge assigned.
The news comes as questions over whether Zimmerman can face a fair trial given the media's coverage of him have swelled.
See Also
How George Zimmerman Talked To This College Student in Ohio But Not His Attorneys
REPORT: George Zimmerman To Be Charged In Shooting Of Trayvon Martin
AFFIDAVIT: Trayvon Martin Tried To Run Home, But George Zimmerman Chased Him Down
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Follow Jaywon Choe on Twitter. Tags: George Zimmerman, Trayvon
Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/judge-in-george-zimmerman-case-may-step-down-over-conflict-of-interest-2012-4#ixzz1rwgWp7ZU
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Judge In George Zimmerman Case May Step Down Over Conflict Of Interest
Jaywon Choe | 3 minutes ago | 11 | 1
A conflict of interest may force the judge in George Zimmerman's criminal trial to recuse herself, according to Yamiche Alcindor of USA Today.
During a brief status hearing today, Circuit Judge Jessica Recksiedler disclosed that her husband works for a lawyer that Zimmerman contacted earlier. Recksiedler's husband has also been hired by CNN to serve as an analyst in the case, according to Fox 4 Sacramento.
No formal appeal has been made yet, but Zimmerman's attorney, Mark O'Mara, said the issue does worry him and that he will decide by Monday whether he will request a new judge.
Meanwhile, the state attorney's prosecuting Zimmerman will not file a motion to get a new judge assigned.
The news comes as questions over whether Zimmerman can face a fair trial given the media's coverage of him have swelled.
See Also
How George Zimmerman Talked To This College Student in Ohio But Not His Attorneys
REPORT: George Zimmerman To Be Charged In Shooting Of Trayvon Martin
AFFIDAVIT: Trayvon Martin Tried To Run Home, But George Zimmerman Chased Him Down
Please follow Politics on Twitter and Facebook.
Follow Jaywon Choe on Twitter. Tags: George Zimmerman, Trayvon
Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/judge-in-george-zimmerman-case-may-step-down-over-conflict-of-interest-2012-4#ixzz1rwgWp7ZU
I can`t wait for the acquittal. I still can`t believe that he was even arrested for defending himself. The case against is one of the weakest ever.
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Your Honor.... lift up that rob and lets see your skittles
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Mommy's base
ment? Nobody's impressed by steroid junky tv repairman in his 40's.
we can't all be a billionaire studs like you ::)
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What about black US Marines?
How about you take your tough guy talk to them and tell them what pieces of garbage they are?
You're super tough and have a lot of guns, so they would probably cower in fear anyway.
Oh yeah, please get a video for us.
muhreens are the us's cannon fodder and they get treated like disposable garbage.
the military is mostly just a hangout for criminals, low-lives and other scum that don't have the mental faculties to succeed in mainstream society anyways
http://usmilitary.about.com/od/justicelawlegislation/a/gangs.htm
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No, but you could at least show some initiative and go take a placement test at the local community college.
you seem to be very concerned with my career....concentrate on not forgetting to put the napkins in the bag and I'm sure they will put you back on the drive-thru window . Anf then you can show off those massive guns to the customers
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Sounds alot like Russia.
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yeah that woman looks like a real threat to society.
do i REALLY have to bust out the pictures of black hoods in america? hell i could go and take some in my own town that would beat those and be back within the hour, but i'm afraid i'd get lynched by the apes in the process.
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the only evidence that trayvon was the attacker? Zimmerman's word.
Can anyone else list any evidence or witness as to who actually STARTED the fight?
We have plenty of witnesses saying trayvon was whooping fat guy's ass. We only have fart guys' word on who started it.
Can ANYONE show the evidence that the kid started it? IMO, logically, THIS path seems to be the realistic one. Remember, TM's GF said she heard "why are you following me" from trayon, and "what are you doing here" from trayvon. Looks like trayvon was walking right to his house. If either person was playing yard ninja, doesn't it make sense that the sneaky dude calling 911 and trailing trayvon would be the one to do it?
The black arrow is trayvon's assumed path - from the front of the park, to his street where he was headed. The yellow path seems a lot more likely of a guy doing a little yard ninja'ing as he attempted to follow or sneak up on trayvon and see where he was going.
This is logically the path, I believe. Fits the girlfriend's words and it's pretty much what you'd expect from a neighborhood watch dude - going around the apt complex to try to catch a crime in progress and be in position to have the kid trapped in the middle, should he flee police. IMO, he was preparing to be the hero when the police chased trayvon - if trayvon ran - he could be the guy who heroically tackled the bad guy.
Then, of course, the police took 3 minutes to get there and shit went sideways.
This path is verified by the GF story, and common sense. I dont know of any evidence supporting TM playing yard ninja.
lol are you really this fucking dense? Doesn't matter if Zimmerman started it, if Trayvon ended up punching the guys head in on the pavement. In barfights cops dont care who the fuck started the fight, if you are still punching the other guy you are getting hauled of by the police.
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lol are you really this fucking dense? Doesn't matter if Zimmerman started it, if Trayvon ended up punching the guys head in on the pavement. In barfights cops dont care who the fuck started the fight, if you are still punching the other guy you are getting hauled of by the police.
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U need to die u worthless human garbage. And who the fuck is that whore in ur avi im tired of seeing her disgusting cum ridden face.
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U need to die u worthless human garbage. And who the fuck is that whore in ur avi im tired of seeing her disgusting cum ridden face.
Settle down cupcake. Getting upset and being as fat as you are can be a recipe for disaster.
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lol are you really this fucking dense? Doesn't matter if Zimmerman started it, if Trayvon ended up punching the guys head in on the pavement. In barfights cops dont care who the fuck started the fight, if you are still punching the other guy you are getting hauled of by the police.
i agree the fight itself led to a justifiable homicide. Zimmerman shooting him was legal.
however, the obvious profiling that happened before it (he was convinced it was one of those 'f-ing punks' that was robbing houses based on appearance)
and based upon the fact he disobeyed a police directive and charged headfirst into it
and that he exaggerated shit before and after the shooting...
I think it was a clean shoot but they should lock him up for being so fcking stupid. involuntary manslaughter, or just sit in a cell for a year for trial and consider it time served. He really did instigate a situation where he could shoot someone he thought was robbing houses. pretty crappy thing to do. legal, yes, we can all do that - I can walk around crack town insulting mothers until someone punches my in the nose. But doesn't make it smart or good for society.
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You're back peddling. Why are you now calling it a clean shoot? You know damn good and well it wasn't. Fuck these motherfuckers, you gotta let your nuts hang.
The shoot itself - the moment zimm feared for his life after getting punched in nose and hitting head on concrete - would have been legal. I think yes, he did get punched in the nose for the first time in his life, fell down and cracked his head... trayvon pinned him, he screamed like a bitch for 5 seconds (as we hear on the 911 call), then he shot him.
yes, zimm seems like a soft-ass wuss... like the type who would really feel 'i'm gonna die, i bit off more than I can shew", and then fired his gun to save his life.
Most people woudl take the ass whooping - cops will be there any minute. But he shot. And like it or not, that IS Florida law. There is a huge gray area of what you can consider fearing for your life. If you have a heart condition, and I say "i'm going to punch you", you can legit cap my ass and say "1 punch could have stopped my heart, so i feared for my life".
The law is SOOOO lax. I learned this from an NRA instructor the other night. it's very vague, this FL law. Other states have a standard self-defense law. but Florida is VERy wide open. If you are scared, you can kill. Period.
NOW, that being said, zimm wasn't eating a sandwich on his porch when trayvon attacked him. Trayvon was minding his own biz walking hom talking to chick on cell... Zimmerman was the one who wrongly believed he was a house thief, left his vehicle, trailed him despite police instructions not to - and then capped him.
So I think it'll be a legal shoot, but they'll lock him up for a year for doing everything he could do put himself in the position to cap a kid.
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One human being murdered another human being and thought he could get away with it! Story as old as time!
Anyway, Zimmerman murdered a dude and was pretty confident he could get away with it!
He was wrong!
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You're back peddling. Why are you now calling it a clean shoot? You know damn good and well it wasn't. Fuck these motherfuckers, you gotta let your nuts hang.
What a badass ::)
He types with such ferocity, a true keyboard warrior..... I'm terrified :D
why did you take down that picture of your tiny little arm ? you obviously thought it was "impressive"...hahaahaaahaahaaaaa
Fucking calm down already, you would think the guy shot your mother the way you are crying like a bitch
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"it's best I move along"...LOL
you really think you matter, don't you? that's too funny
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how can this guy get a fair trial
finding jurors without preconceived ideas on his guilt is impossible
themedia in the usa have a lot to answer for
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how can this guy get a fair trial
finding jurors without preconceived ideas on his guilt is impossible
themedia in the usa have a lot to answer for
Could be a moot point. I smell a plea to 1st degree manslaughter. The killer gets 10 years, does 8 years, gets out of the joint when he's 36 years old and moves to Palookaville.
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Cross of iron and Groink, stop arguing IMMEDIATELY!
Can't you see that you're TEARING GETBIG APART?!?!?
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;D ;D LOL
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Zimmerman for POTUS
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Zimmerman for POTUS
You should run for president on the Copy and Paste ticket.
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I don't care about mattering here loser, which is why I only have 850 posts since 2005. I have no desire to be in the getbig hierarchy which for the most part consists of socially awkward drug addicted neanderthals. Do you have anything of relevance to add to this thread?
That's what,,,the ninth time you've called me a "loser" ?
please stop...you're brutal ::) ::)
also thanks for constantly reminding me of my age, and the fact that I'm more muscular than 95% of the people on the planet, regardless of how old they are. Also of a business i ran 7 years ago that paid well over 100K yearly......are these supposed to be insults ?
but I guess when you are a Columbia grad who specializes in neurosurgery, like you obviously are. ::).. that is a crummy way to earn a living.
still living at home are we? ;)
I'm still curious why you took that picture of your arm down..you were obviously pretty impressed with it at one point ;)
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Everytime someone is murdered in America, or there's a school shooting, I can't help but think it's because there aren't enough guns.
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Zimmerman for POTUS
he'd probably do better in 2012 than romney. at least zimmerman is consistently an angry a-hole.... felony assault on a cop. domestic abuse, now chasing and shooting a kid.
romney, on the other hand, voted for an assault weapons ban and required an individual mandate for healthcare (translation: Obamacare) when he was governor.
So yeah, zimmerman (a registered dem) is probably a better conservative than Romney.
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he'd probably do better in 2012 than romney. at least zimmerman is consistently an angry a-hole.... felony assault on a cop. domestic abuse, now chasing and shooting a kid.
romney, on the other hand, voted for an assault weapons ban and required an individual mandate for healthcare (translation: Obamacare) when he was governor.
So yeah, zimmerman (a registered dem) is probably a better conservative than Romney.
im honestly shocked that romney is doing as well as he is given his track record. wtf is going on with the GOP?
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im honestly shocked that romney is doing as well as he is given his track record. wtf is going on with the GOP?
The anti-romney vote was consistently 65 to 70%.
he only won for two reasons - first of all, newt, rpaul, and santorum cut up the votes - had they gotten on the same page, they would have defeated romney. And,
2) Money. He barely edged out santorum when it was just him, and he was outspending him 5 to 1 or even 6 to 1.
Against obama, mitt won't have a money advantage, it'll be even (or obama will do what he did in 2008 and get tons of donations).
Right now, INTRADE, the world gambling agency, has obama at 61%, and romney at 38%. This isn't some local yahoo poll which changes by the week. This is the people of the world willing to risk millions of dollars on the outcome of our election. They know their shit
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The anti-romney vote was consistently 65 to 70%.
he only won for two reasons - first of all, newt, rpaul, and santorum cut up the votes - had they gotten on the same page, they would have defeated romney. And,
2) Money. He barely edged out santorum when it was just him, and he was outspending him 5 to 1 or even 6 to 1.
Against obama, mitt won't have a money advantage, it'll be even (or obama will do what he did in 2008 and get tons of donations).
Right now, INTRADE, the world gambling agency, has obama at 61%, and romney at 38%. This isn't some local yahoo poll which changes by the week. This is the people of the world willing to risk millions of dollars on the outcome of our election. They know their shit
i guess. it's just hard to think that people can be swayed so easily just because of an ad campaign and not even bother researching the facts.
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In the Obama v. Romney election I'll gladly cover all the action on Romney.
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Why George Zimmerman May Be Hard To Convict (Any legal people here to dissect this?)
Politicus usa - Real Liberal Politics - No Corporate Money. No Masters ^ | April 14, 2012 | Tim from LA
Posted on April 14, 2012 7:15:20 PM EDT by 2ndDivisionVet
When a man shot and killed a boy on a rainy night on the streets of Sanford Florida, because he looked suspicious and the man took it upon himself to investigate this person wearing a hoodie, the State District Attorney filed second degree murder charges against the adult, but may have inadvertently have all the charges of murder dismissed or find him not guilty.
The State of Florida Special Prosecutor Angela Corey has charged George Zimmerman for second degree murder against Trayvon Martin, which according to Florida’s law may get Zimmerman life in prison. But there seems to be a catch. According to Florida’s law, to prove second degree murder, the State of Florida must prove the following three elements beyond a reasonable doubt:
1.The victim is dead; 2.The death was caused by the criminal act of the defendant; 3.There was an unlawful killing of the victim by an act imminently dangerous to another and demonstrating a depraved mind without regard for human life. 01) Travon Martin is dead. Zimmerman claimed he killed him in self defense.
02) When the 911 operator said to not get involved, Zimmerman disobeyed the operator and confronted Martin. By not obeying the order, this can be grounds for obstruction of justice, an arrestable offense, therefore, satisfying two of three within the laws of second degree murder.
03) There was an unlawful killing of the victim by an act imminently dangerous to another and demonstrating a depraved mind without regard for human life may be the issue here.
According to Merriam Webster Online Dictionary, the word depraved says: marked by corruption or evil; especially : perverted. The State has to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that Zimmerman’s mind was corrupt or evil or even perverted. Also what is reasonable doubt?
Reasonable doubt: Prosecution must be proven to the extent that there could be no “reasonable doubt” in the mind of a “reasonable person” that the defendant is guilty.
So is there any doubt that Zimmerman’s mind was corrupt, evil or perverted? The defense may say that he was concerned about the safety and well being of the community and that his intentions were to protect property and Zimmerman who gave chase, was a victim of Martin, who pounced on him, started to smash his head against the concrete and Zimmerman had no choice but to shoot Zimmerman to defend himself. If Zimmerman sticks with that story, the jury would have no choice but to say not guilty. On the other hand, the D.A. can still file manslaughter charges.
According to Florida law: Manslaughter is the unlawful killing of a human being without malice aforethought. Manslaughter may be voluntary or involuntary. Essentially, the difference between manslaughter and murder is that manslaughter was the result of an accident, heat of passion, or some other act in which the person does not have the mental state to commit a murder.
Involuntary manslaughter: To establish involuntary manslaughter, the prosecutor must show that the defendant acted with “culpable negligence.” Florida statutes define culpable negligence as a disregard for human life while engaging in wanton or reckless behavior. The state may be able to prove involuntary manslaughter by showing the defendant’s recklessness or lack of care when handling a dangerous instrument or weapon, or while engaging in a range of other activities that could lead to death if performed recklessly. Example: If the defendant handles a loaded gun without any knowledge of whether the gun is loaded, and he later discharges the gun into a group of people, the defendant’s actions likely meet the recklessness requirement for a charge of involuntary manslaughter.
Florida state laws also establish involuntary manslaughter if the prosecutor shows that the defendant used excessive force during self-defense or the defense of another person. The prosecution and defense can look at the facts and circumstances of the killing to determine whether the defendant reasonably believed that self-defense was necessary; if not necessary, the state might proceed with an involuntary manslaughter charge.
If the D.A. cannot prove that the Zimmerman was depraved, then legally, Zimmerman is a free man and under the double jeopardy rules, he cannot be tried again for the same crime…but then there is federal court.
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wc,
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Is ZImmerman released yet?
Is this thing settled yet?
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Is ZImmerman released yet?
Is this thing settled yet?
Awfully suspicious that the toxicology report for Trayvon Martin hasn't been released yet.
I'm betting he scores a positive for Thc.
Book it Dano!
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Awfully suspicious that the toxicology report for Trayvon Martin hasn't been released yet.
I'm betting he scores a positive for Thc.
Book it Dano!
Oh, no. Not weed.
Only terrible people smoke weed.
He deserved death.
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Oh, no. Not weed.
Only terrible people smoke weed.
He deserved death.
Then release the report. Stop pretending this kid was some type of choir boy.
If the kid was high like Zimmerman thought, the Reverends Jesse and Al are going to look mighty silly.
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Zimmerman for POTUS
;D
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Then release the report. Stop pretending this kid was some type of choir boy.
If the kid was high like Zimmerman thought, the Reverends Jesse and Al are going to look mighty silly.
i agree with gare but yes, the kid was nowhere near a saint (i posted some stuff from his twitter earlier in the thread), although if anything the THC would make you less aggressive, then again with all these "urban youth" flying off the handle at the most minor things nowadays i wouldn't be too surprised.
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Then release the report. Stop pretending this kid was some type of choir boy.
If the kid was high like Zimmerman thought, the Reverends Jesse and Al are going to look mighty silly.
Are you a fan of Richard Nixon?
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zimmerdog tested positive for Burger King, Arby's and Taco Bell.
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i agree with gare but yes, the kid was nowhere near a saint (i posted some stuff from his twitter earlier in the thread), although if anything the THC would make you less aggressive, then again with all these "urban youth" flying off the handle at the most minor things nowadays i wouldn't be too surprised.
Maybe the THC made him paranoid, and he felt someone was following him?
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Maybe the THC made him paranoid, and he felt someone was following him?
it's definitely possible. although as long as he didn't have any on him though, im sure no one would even have bothered to test him, surely he knew that.
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Trayvon Martin's killer showed signs of injury: neighbors
Reuters ^ | April 16, 2012 | Chris Francescani
Posted on April 16, 2012 7:39:25 PM EDT by Free ThinkerNY
SANFORD, Florida (Reuters) - Neighbors of George Zimmerman say he had bandages on his nose and head the day after he shot dead Trayvon Martin, supporting statements by the neighborhood watch volunteer that he was beaten in a confrontation with the black Florida teenager.
The extent of Zimmerman's injuries could be crucial to his legal defense under Florida's "Stand Your Ground" self-defense law, which allows the use of deadly force when someone has the reasonable belief he could face death or great bodily harm.
Police said Zimmerman, who has been charged with second-degree murder in the racially charged case, was bleeding from the nose and the back of his head and was treated by medics before being taken to Sanford police station after the February 26 shooting.
But public doubts were later raised by the release of a grainy surveillance video from the police station in which no injuries were readily visible.
Zimmerman later sought medical treatment for injuries including a broken nose, his former lawyers have said.
Jorge Rodriguez, Zimmerman's next-door neighbor, told Reuters that when he saw Zimmerman the day after the incident, "he had two big, butterfly bandages on the back of his head, and another big bandage...on the bridge of his nose." He was talking to a police detective in his driveway.
(Excerpt) Read more at news.yahoo.com ...
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hahahahhahahaha
dude had bandages on his head THE DAY AFTER the shoot.
he also went to the hospital too. Diden't need it that night, but once his daddy the judge came in, they wanted to make his injuries look as bad as possible so dipshits would gobble it up.
Dude got punched in the nose and fell and hit his head. LMFAO at lots of bandages = evidence of massive injuries. oh i'm shittin bricks laughing dude.
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hahahahhahahaha
dude had bandages on his head THE DAY AFTER the shoot.
he also went to the hospital too. Diden't need it that night, but once his daddy the judge came in, they wanted to make his injuries look as bad as possible so dipshits would gobble it up.
Dude got punched in the nose and fell and hit his head. LMFAO at lots of bandages = evidence of massive injuries. oh i'm shittin bricks laughing dude.
Exactly. Laughable.
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I can't stop laughing..... ;D ;D
http://grab.orsm.net/php/flow.php?file=update20120419/effie-sue-on-trayvon.mp4
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ABC News: Photo taken after Trayvon Martin shooting shows bloody George Zimmerman
http://www.wftv.com/news/news/local/abc-news-photo-taken-after-trayvon-martin-shooting/nMdbw/ ^
| Friday, April 20, 2012 | WFTV
Posted on Friday, April 20, 2012 7:33:22 AM by sheikdetailfeather
SEMINOLE COUNTY, Fla. —
WFTV just learned Friday morning about a picture of gunman George Zimmerman, taken just three minutes after the shooting that left 17-year-old Trayvon Martin dead.
The picture reportedly shows cuts on the back of Zimmerman's head, with blood trickling down.
Zimmerman, who shot and killed 17-year-old Martin on February 26 in a gated Sanford community, claimed he killed Martin in self-defense. Zimmerman is charged with second-degree murder for the shooting death of Martin.
The picture would seem to back up Zimmerman's claim that Martin slammed his head against the sidewalk.
That picture could be part of the evidence shown to the judge in court Friday morning during Zimmerman's bond hearing.
ABC News is breaking more on this story on Good Morning America at 7 a.m. on Channel 9. We'll have more on Central Florida's TV 27 at 7 a.m.
Meanwhile, Trayvon Martin's parents will come face to face for the first time with Zimmerman on Friday.
Zimmerman is due in a Seminole County courtroom for a bond hearing at 9 a.m.
After a week and a half behind bars, Zimmerman may be walking out of jail to await trial on a second-degree murder charge.
The parents of 17-year-old Martin are expected in the courtroom during the bond hearing.
Zimmerman's attorney Mark O'Mara will likely argue to Judge Kenneth Lester that Zimmerman is not a flight risk, pointing to fact that Zimmerman turned himself in immediately when charges were filed.
Judge Lester must decide if Zimmerman will be offered bond.
(Excerpt) Read more at wftv.com ...
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Worst thing about this whole scenario, is the big bag of skittles that are not accounted for anywhere in the press ??? I mean who the fuck ate them tasty candies when trayvon kicked it?
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The only way I can see that they have a case that Zimmerman will be convicted of second degree murder after seeing those pics is if they can prove without a shadow of a doubt that Zimmerman attacked Trayvon first.
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I bleed more when I take Anadrol.
zimmerdog will die in prison and the world will rejoice.
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I bleed more when I take Anadrol.
zimmerdog will die in prison and the world will rejoice.
hahahhaa
dont' forget, his dad went on tv and said his son had his head bashed for SIXTY SECONDS.
Sorry, but go outside and bang head on sidewalk for 60 seconds, see if you're still breathing. 1 whole minute, my ass. dude got punches, fell on his head, and started shooting.
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1. You don`t have to visually have injures for them to be life threatening. (Zimmerman did have visual injuries) You can easily get your ribs kicked in, lungs punctured and bleed internally to death but to an onlooker who finds you unconscious, they might just think you decided to take a nap on the street.
2. I am quite confident that there are millions of 17 year olds who could give you a beating to which you would be on the losing end every time.
3. Shouting, "I`m Armed, get back" when someone is on top of you is kind of pointless. Furthermore, you don`t have to state that you are armed, nor should you have to in order to use your gun for protection.
Were there eye witnesses who watched the altercation from begining to end?
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hahahhaa
dont' forget, his dad went on tv and said his son had his head bashed for SIXTY SECONDS.
Sorry, but go outside and bang head on sidewalk for 60 seconds, see if you're still breathing. 1 whole minute, my ass. dude got punches, fell on his head, and started shooting.
Thank you sir. Exactly. Those cuts are almost microscopic.
His heart rate would have been sky high- ergo you bleed like crazy from any cut. The total amount of blood in that new pic is less than you bleed when you bite your own lip while eating too fast.
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hahahhaa
dont' forget, his dad went on tv and said his son had his head bashed for SIXTY SECONDS.
Sorry, but go outside and bang head on sidewalk for 60 seconds, see if you're still breathing. 1 whole minute, my ass. dude got punched, fell on his head, and started shooting.
we have a winner
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yep. scalp is very thin. you get a cut, and you bleed like crazy.
the lead investigator saw thru the bullshit and wanted to chrge him. the police chief (who resigned right after) over-ruled him.
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If the "dude got punched, fell on his head and started bleeding" thought is true. He will be acquitted. The only way he won't is if Zimmerchez actually started the physical altercation. And we have one "witness" who is breathing, so the case will be a bitch to prove. Bringing charges after such a long time was purely political as people were pissed off and they needed to look like they were doing something. He will walk and Miami will burn.
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zimmerdog grabbed dude, "what the fuck are you doing here!" Dude pimp slaps him. zimmer goes down like a $20 whore, pulls his 9mm and starts blasting.
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Judge just set zimmerpigs bail at $150,000. He'll be out by dinner time.
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http://southflorida.sun-sentinel.com/news/os-george-zimmerman-bond-hearing-20120420,0,4802623.story
ZIMMERMAN = WINNING
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http://southflorida.sun-sentinel.com/news/os-george-zimmerman-bond-hearing-20120420,0,4802623.story
ZIMMERMAN = WINNING
zimm = dem obama voter. he is an irresponsible gun owner. keep worshipping him - bloomberg gonna ride this trial long enough that you'll never see stand your ground flourish in NY state. be sure to high five that ignorant zimm when you see him.
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zimm = dem obama voter. he is an irresponsible gun owner. keep worshipping him - bloomberg gonna ride this trial long enough that you'll never see stand your ground flourish in NY state. be sure to high five that ignorant zimm when you see him.
Bond Hearing Testimony Reveals Huge Hole In State's Case Against George Zimmerman !
Sun-Sentinel ^ | Vanity
Posted on Friday, April 20, 2012 11:54:37 AM by MindBender26
Among all the coverage of Zimmerman being granted bail, most reporters are missing the most important detail of the day. The State's investigator admitted, under oath, that they have no way to disprove Zimmerman's claim that Trayvon Martin started the flight and assaulted him.
The details are buried deep in the story, but they are crucial:
Gilbreath is the State's Investigator:
O'Mara is Zimmerman's attorney:
(from the story)
"During further questioning by O'Mara, Gilbreath admitted that the state has no evidence who started the fight. There is also no evidence that Zimmerman didn't walk back to his car after chasing Martin on foot, as the defendant has claimed."
That speaks to, make that screams Stand Your Ground, and combined with new pictures of a bleeding and battered Zimmerman taken three minutes after the police arrived, it's all becoming so very clear to legal observers that Zimmerman walks on a SYG motion or at the least a SD verdict.
(Excerpt) Read more at southflorida.sun-sentinel.com ...
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LMAO! There's no evidence aliens didn't shoot trayvon. Zimm's defense is "but the state can't prove i didn't walk back to my car".
problem is, the fistfightt/gunshot occured 2 blocks from his truck.
Now Zimm is claiming he listened to the 911 operator, went back to his truck, then trayvon attacked him and chased him 2 blocks, huh?
bwaahahahha I'm gonna visit zimmer in jail once he's sentenced just to fart and laugh.
he bled pretty badly. alcohol thins the blood a lot.
despite his history of alcohol abuse and stae-ordered counseling, they didn't test his BAC levels.
he slurred his words a bit (or he has 80 IQ, could be that too).
Also it was a sunday night in the projects and he's coming home from target in Florida. yeah, dude had a few drinks in him, let's be honest.
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Zimmerman was attacked by Trayvon first according to all eye witness testimony. Zimmerman simply defended himself and now its even more obvious this is the case.
Option D: Here you go. This is just one of a few.
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Douche40.......innocent until proven guilty .....youve convicted him long ago without hearing all the evidence and when new evidence comes to light you immediately sluff it off.
Open your eyes, kid.
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I can`t wait for Cross of Iron to delete his account after all of this. I wonder what excuses everyone will have when Zimmerman gets acquitted. Its getting pathetic at this point.
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Zimmerman was attacked by Trayvon first according to all eye witness testimony. Zimmerman simply defended himself and now its even more obvious this is the case.
Option D: Here you go. This is just one of a few.
what a great news .
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is america so divided
that all blacks want him convicted
and all whites think he should get off
your country is pretty fucked up
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is america so divided
that all blacks want him convicted
and all whites think he should get off
Pretty much.
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Zimmerframe is going to walk. I can just see the riots now.
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is america so divided
that all blacks want him convicted
and all whites think he should get off
your country is pretty fucked up
All media portrayal, most normal people are able to look at facts before making judgements.
BTW, your country isn't exactly all "Peace, Love and Happiness" with it's own race issues. ;)
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I can`t wait for Cross of Iron to delete his account after all of this. I wonder what excuses everyone will have when Zimmerman gets acquitted. Its getting pathetic at this point.
Floss-my-anus seems to be very emotional when out comes to young, toned tall black men
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Zimmerman = winning.
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Now we see photo evidence (in addition to the two eyewitnesses) that backs up Zimmerman's story. I'm guessing Al Sharpton won't be commenting on why sweet little Trayvon committed felony assault.
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All media portrayal, most normal people are able to look at facts before making judgements.
BTW, your country isn't exactly all "Peace, Love and Happiness" with it's own race issues. ;)
Want to hang out?
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Want to hang out?
Sure.
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if zimmerman gets away I will fucking find him and confront the guy. and if he even barely touches myself i will blow his head off thanks to my self defence right.
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if zimmerman gets away I will fucking find him and confront the guy. and if he even barely touches myself i will blow his head off thanks to my self defence right.
Fail.
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Fail.
ok mr 40 posts per day
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if zimmerman gets away I will fucking find him and confront the guy. and if he even barely touches myself i will blow his head off thanks to my self defence right.
You mean now that you know he's a short, fat Mexican... ::)
If you want to waste a bad guy, log off from playing Internet tough guy, head to any big city ghetto in the U.S. and get on with your bad self.
Fucking retard.
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is america so divided
that all blacks want him convicted
and all whites think he should get off
your country is pretty fucked up
Thats a bullshit blanket statement. Smart people want the truth.
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the shoot itself was legal, IMO.
But I think he'll get 8 years on manslaughter (and serve 4) because he was dishonest with police.
He exaggerated shit on the phone with 911 (he looks like he's on drugs, i see him pulling something from his eaistband).
He profiled (these a-holes always get away)
He lied about the fight (my head was smashed on ground for 60 seconds, when tapes show it was about 5 seconds).
So while the shoot was legal, it is a crime to tell fibs to the po-po. He'll get a short sentence on a reduced charge. In reality, we all know he did cause this shit by chasing after kid against police advice when police were 3 minutes away.
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They didn't charge manslaughter jackass.
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Now we see photo evidence (in addition to the two eyewitnesses) that backs up Zimmerman's story. I'm guessing Al Sharpton won't be commenting on why sweet little Trayvon committed felony assault.
Its better to have the back of your head bleeding than to be dead in the grave. Zimmerman tried to play hero and shot a person who was walking back to his house minding his own business.
1. He ASSumed that he was up to no good
2. He ASSumed that he was breaking into houses
3. He ASSumed that he had the authority to stop and interogate person
This whole incident is entirely Zimmerman's fault. If he had simply called the cops and not tried to follow him on foot and play hero, we would not have ever heard of this guy. As far as his story of self defense, its just not going to fly. Self defense requires that his life be put in immenient danger by no means of his own and Zimmerman obviously created that situation with bad judgment and not listening to the 911 operator. Yes, he didn't have to listen to the operator but if he did, he most certainly would not be in this mess.
Ultimately, he is going to be convicted because he instigated the matter by chasing after him when the 911 operator told him not to. Even if he isn't by some odd chance, he will end up with a multi-million dollar civil judgement against him....Florida doesn't allow property or vehicles to be seized (That's why OJ moved there) but he will have a lifetime of wage garnishments.
His matter isn't about race....its more about a modern day Walter Minney who tried to play police officer that day. He was a complete dum ass and I don't feel sorry for him whatsoever. He killed a man who was not breaking into houses or committing a crime for no reason whatsoever and that's why he'll be convicted.
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Its better to have the back of your head bleeding than to be dead in the grave. Zimmerman tried to play hero and shot a person who was walking back to his house minding his own business.
1. He ASSumed that he was up to no good
2. He ASSumed that he was breaking into houses
3. He ASSumed that he had the authority to stop and interogate person
This whole incident is entirely Zimmerman's fault. If he had simply called the cops and not tried to follow him on foot and play hero, we would not have ever heard of this guy. As far as his story of self defense, its just not going to fly. Self defense requires that his life be put in immenient danger by no means of his own and Zimmerman obviously created that situation with bad judgment and not listening to the 911 operator. Yes, he didn't have to listen to the operator but if he did, he most certainly would not be in this mess.
Ultimately, he is going to be convicted because he instigated the matter by chasing after him when the 911 operator told him not to. Even if he isn't by some odd chance, he will end up with a multi-million dollar civil judgement against him....Florida doesn't allow property or vehicles to be seized (That's why OJ moved there) but he will have a lifetime of wage garnishments.
His matter isn't about race....its more about a modern day Walter Minney who tried to play police officer that day. He was a complete dum ass and I don't feel sorry for him whatsoever. He killed a man who was not breaking into houses or committing a crime for no reason whatsoever and that's why he'll be convicted.
Walter Mitty. *facepalm*
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Lol @ internet lawyers!
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Walter Mitty. *facepalm*
;D
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Walter Mitty. *facepalm*
Not a spelling contest guy. ::)
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Not a spelling contest ####. ::)
You said if he isn't convicted he'll face a civil suit?
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You said if he isn't convicted he'll face a civil suit?
Civil Suit is going to be filed anyway from the parent regardless. Even if he beats the rap, he still faces federal charges of violating Trayvon's civil rights which are undisputable....he'll do some serious time anyway so he had better bring plenty of books
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the shoot itself was legal, IMO.
But I think he'll get 8 years on manslaughter (and serve 4) because he was dishonest with police.
He exaggerated shit on the phone with 911 (he looks like he's on drugs, i see him pulling something from his eaistband).
He profiled (these a-holes always get away)
He lied about the fight (my head was smashed on ground for 60 seconds, when tapes show it was about 5 seconds).
So while the shoot was legal, it is a crime to tell fibs to the po-po. He'll get a short sentence on a reduced charge. In reality, we all know he did cause this shit by chasing after kid against police advice when police were 3 minutes away.
Was Zimmerman referring to black people or criminals (as in the burglars and reason he was on the neighborhood watch)?
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the shoot itself was legal, IMO.
But I think he'll get 8 years on manslaughter (and serve 4) because he was dishonest with police.
He exaggerated shit on the phone with 911 (he looks like he's on drugs, i see him pulling something from his eaistband).
He profiled (these a-holes always get away)
He lied about the fight (my head was smashed on ground for 60 seconds, when tapes show it was about 5 seconds).
So while the shoot was legal, it is a crime to tell fibs to the po-po. He'll get a short sentence on a reduced charge. In reality, we all know he did cause this shit by chasing after kid against police advice when police were 3 minutes away.
Is there any evidence that indicates Zimmerman did not truly believe these statements to be true?
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the shoot itself was legal, IMO.
But I think he'll get 8 years on manslaughter (and serve 4) because he was dishonest with police.
He exaggerated shit on the phone with 911 (he looks like he's on drugs, i see him pulling something from his eaistband).
He profiled (these a-holes always get away)
He lied about the fight (my head was smashed on ground for 60 seconds, when tapes show it was about 5 seconds).
So while the shoot was legal, it is a crime to tell fibs to the po-po. He'll get a short sentence on a reduced charge. In reality, we all know he did cause this shit by chasing after kid against police advice when police were 3 minutes away.
Is it possible that under the stress of fighting and having his head hit on the concrete repeatedly, he actually thought he was in the fight for a longer period of time?
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I don't know why this is even a case, or why it has become a race issue.
Some jackass wannabe cop followed a kid around, the kid didn't like it and got into an altercation, and the guy shot the kid.
Zimmerman was clearly the aggressor. Whether the kid was a shitty person or not is irrelevant.
I would be pissed off if some idiot playing cop was following me around trying to accuse me of shit or whatever the hell he was doing.
He didn't listen to the dispatcher, if he thought the kid was up to no good he should have let the cops come and handle and kept his ass in the truck.
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:). Zimmerman for prez. I wonder if da comunity is going to riot and burn things down when zim walks and tells al jesse obama andre 240 and the race terrorists to go to hell.
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if zimmerman gets away I will fucking find him and confront the guy. and if he even barely touches myself i will blow his head off thanks to my self defence right.
So now we have proof that if this incident occurs (highly unlikely because aren't you some eurodouche who has never actually touched a firearm?) but if so, it would now be pre-meditated murder.
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Loser. 8)
At least you accept it, that is progress. Once you come to terms with the fact that you are a homosexual, you probably won't be so angry all the time. All that pent up desire for black penis in your mouth must be killing you :P
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If he walks I will delete it. It looks like I'll be deleting it... ;D
Yes the thunderdome has a way of weeding out the weak and the stupid; I had a feeling you wouldn't be hanging around here too long. I guess it's time to fire up that first gimmick account and stalk groink around the boards like the rest of the butthurt losers who couldn't hack it as well.
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Is there any evidence that indicates Zimmerman did not truly believe these statements to be true?
if i was a juror,, I would have to say "If zimm TRULY believed this person was on drugs, and had something in his hand pulled from waistband, he wouldn't have chased a drugged armed burglar into the dark.
He did it anyway.
So either he is the dumbest shit on God's green earth, chasing an armed junkie, or he lied to get the cops there faster, and to get them there in felony arrest mode. I can understand zimm being pissed about the breakins, but he cna't use the law as his own possible revenge force.
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if i was a juror,, I would have to say "If zimm TRULY believed this person was on drugs, and had something in his hand pulled from waistband, he wouldn't have chased a drugged armed burglar into the dark.
He did it anyway.
So either he is the dumbest shit on God's green earth, chasing an armed junkie, or he lied to get the cops there faster, and to get them there in felony arrest mode. I can understand zimm being pissed about the breakins, but he cna't use the law as his own possible revenge force.
Murder is a specific intent crime, so as a juror...you shouldn't be determining what YOU think is reasonable or dumb anyway. Regardless, we are all waiting to hear the true facts of the case. I'm fairly confident he will be acquitted...but, we shall all wait and see.
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Murder is a specific intent crime, so as a juror...you shouldn't be determining what YOU think is reasonable or dumb anyway. Regardless, we are all waiting to hear the true facts of the case. I'm fairly confident he will be acquitted...but, we shall all wait and see.
If I was a juror, I'd immeditely dismiss everything he said as, well, a lie. If he lied on the phone just to get a burglar checked out, then hell yeah he's gonna lie his ass off with a dead body on his hands.
That being said, he mistakenly believed trayvon was a burglar who was high on drugs, with something in his hands from a waistband, which most people would consider a weapon. He ignored police directive to stay put, after he made an agreement to wait at mailboxes with truck. He then pursued a minor, al altercation occured, and the kid was dead. Zimm sustained some injuries in the struggle.
I dunno... to me, ZIm caused the whole damn thing. Looking at those things, I might just vote guilty of murder.
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If I was a juror, I'd immeditely dismiss everything he said as, well, a lie. If he lied on the phone just to get a burglar checked out, then hell yeah he's gonna lie his ass off with a dead body on his hands.
That being said, he mistakenly believed trayvon was a burglar who was high on drugs, with something in his hands from a waistband, which most people would consider a weapon. He ignored police directive to stay put, after he made an agreement to wait at mailboxes with truck. He then pursued a minor, al altercation occured, and the kid was dead. Zimm sustained some injuries in the struggle.
I dunno... to me, ZIm caused the whole damn thing. Looking at those things, I might just vote guilty of murder.
I'm still trying to figure out how you KNOW or assume Zimmerman was lying about his personal opinion that Trayvon MAY have been on drugs and that he had his hands near his waist band? ???
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Douche40 is the king of assumptions and internet detectiving.
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I'm still trying to figure out how you KNOW or assume Zimmerman was lying about his personal opinion that Trayvon MAY have been on drugs and that he had his hands near his waist band? ???
Dont bother, dudes been trying to peddle his lies as facts for weeks, he just got ran off the poli board on this subject because he couldnt back up even 1 of his claims.
He actually said "He was on his way home from target, lets be honest, he had a few drinks in him".
Its pathetic.
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Heres his actual quote, in response to a pic of Zimmerman's bloody head (as 240 had been trying to claim Zimmerman wasnt injured/had no head trauma)
he bled pretty badly. alcohol thins the blood a lot.
despite his history of alcohol abuse and stae-ordered counseling, they didn't test his BAC levels.
he slurred his words a bit (or he has 80 IQ, could be that too).
Also it was a sunday night in the projects and he's coming home from target in Florida. yeah, dude had a few drinks in him, let's be honest.
So evidently, because he was driving home from target in Florida, dude was drinking.
Just one instance of the many bullshit lies 240 has been peddling in this subject on the political board. He ran up here today because he ruined his credibility on this subject.
Dude let the media take him for a ride now he's running around trying to save face for letting NBC form his opinions for him.
Dudes head 3 min after the shooting.
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I see no pictures...
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che...not posting his picture..
it cant be ::) ::)
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great pics, thick, tight, solid, motivation.
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Mods didn't like the pics , sorry guys.
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I'm still trying to figure out how you KNOW or assume Zimmerman was lying about his personal opinion that Trayvon MAY have been on drugs and that he had his hands near his waist band? ???
the jurors dont 'know' anything.
They have to make a judgment based upon the info given them. Thye have to decide if they believe a sane man would PURSUE a dude on drugs they thought had someting in hand from waistband. Most sane ppl wouldn't pursue that kinda danger. So if I'm a juror, i listen to that voice on the tape "I think he's on drugs or something" and consider that to b bullllshite.
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If I was a juror, I'd immeditely dismiss everything he said as, well, a lie. If he lied on the phone just to get a burglar checked out, then hell yeah he's gonna lie his ass off with a dead body on his hands.
That being said, he mistakenly believed trayvon was a burglar who was high on drugs, with something in his hands from a waistband, which most people would consider a weapon. He ignored police directive to stay put, after he made an agreement to wait at mailboxes with truck. He then pursued a minor, al altercation occured, and the kid was dead. Zimm sustained some injuries in the struggle.
I dunno... to me, ZIm caused the whole damn thing. Looking at those things, I might just vote guilty of murder.
He didn`t ignore a police order. The 911 Dispatcher has no authority and a lot of the time they are complete morons anyways. Our very own Chad Mower was a 911 dispatcher. Plus, they don`t know what is going on at the scene, so they can talk all they want, but a lot of the times it can be useless or harmful information. Either way, they do not have to be obeyed at all.
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If I was a juror, I'd immeditely dismiss everything he said as, well, a lie. If he lied on the phone just to get a burglar checked out, then hell yeah he's gonna lie his ass off with a dead body on his hands.
That being said, he mistakenly believed trayvon was a burglar who was high on drugs, with something in his hands from a waistband, which most people would consider a weapon. He ignored police directive to stay put, after he made an agreement to wait at mailboxes with truck. He then pursued a minor, al altercation occured, and the kid was dead. Zimm sustained some injuries in the struggle
Really? More lies? Havent you embarassed yourself enough?
He didnt "ignore a police order",
A. A 911 dispatcher is not "the police"
B. "We dont need you to do that" is not an order.
And he didnt "lie" on the phone, the person asked them to describe him, and he said "its raining and he's just standing there, looking around, I dunno, looks like he's on drugs or something", not even getting into your assumptions on the weapon. Only you would go from "hes wearing a hoodie, has something in his hands and something tucked into his waistband" to "Hes pulling a gun from his waist" ::)
Stop lieing already. Youve made yourself look like a fool over and over. We all know you truely believe Zimmerman was trying to shoot someone but no matter how many straws you grasp at, it doesnt make it true.
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the jurors dont 'know' anything.
They have to make a judgment based upon the info given them. Thye have to decide if they believe a sane man would PURSUE a dude on drugs they thought had someting in hand from waistband. Most sane ppl wouldn't pursue that kinda danger. So if I'm a juror, i listen to that voice on the tape "I think he's on drugs or something" and consider that to b bullllshite.
I see now. So, the jury must determine if Zimmerman was sane. Then, the jury will determine what sane people do when they see a guy in their neighborhood that looks like he is on drugs and may have a gun. Based on the jury's determination of what a sane person would do in such a situation, they will most likely determine Zimmerman is a liar. Finally, because the jury determined Zimmerman is a liar, they will find him guilty of murder.
Wow, I assume you are trolling now....
P.S. Things will be stipulated to and therefore, the jury will 'KNOW' things.
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Yes the thunderdome has a way of weeding out the weak and the stupid; I had a feeling you wouldn't be hanging around here too long. I guess it's time to fire up that first gimmick account and stalk groink around the boards like the rest of the butthurt losers who couldn't hack it as well.
LOL....I had no quarrel with this idiot. But yet another one that feels compelled to "talk tough" on an internet forum, as if his words have some sort of weight
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When the toxicology report comes back and Trayvon tests positive for drugs in his system, "240 is Dumb" really is going to look like the town fool.
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Trayvon "Skittles" Martin has a message for getbiggers
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Yes the thunderdome has a way of weeding out the weak and the stupid; I had a feeling you wouldn't be hanging around here too long. I guess it's time to fire up that first gimmick account and stalk groink around the boards like the rest of the butthurt losers who couldn't hack it as well.
F@ggot, I've been around since 2005. As far as me "stalking" groink check my post history.
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Trayvon "Skittles" Martin has a message for getbiggers
Interesting how the parenting started after the incident....
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So anybody that gives the finger need to be shot dead? ::)
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So anybody that gives the finger need to be shot dead? ::)
do you have a chip on your shoulder
you come across as anti white
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do you have a chip on your shoulder
you come across as anti white
He isn't known as little"racist"j for his love of the white man.
Maybe I can change his mind when we catch a workout together! :D
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He isn't known as little"racist"j for his love of the white man.
Maybe I can change his mind when we catch a workout together! :D
i stick by what i said about america
there seems to be alot of racial tension that still exists
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Heres his actual quote, in response to a pic of Zimmerman's bloody head (as 240 had been trying to claim Zimmerman wasnt injured/had no head trauma)
So evidently, because he was driving home from target in Florida, dude was drinking.
Just one instance of the many bullshit lies 240 has been peddling in this subject on the political board. He ran up here today because he ruined his credibility on this subject.
Dude let the media take him for a ride now he's running around trying to save face for letting NBC form his opinions for him.
Dudes head 3 min after the shooting.
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aw shit son, looks like all the pieces are starting to fall together
Trayvon "Skittles" Martin has a message for getbiggers
btw for anyone who doesn't know "skittles" is black jargon for recreational and prescription drugs in pill form
So anybody that gives the finger need to be shot dead? ::)
no but people that post shit like that on social media sites and act hard are generally not very bright or in control of their emotions. with all the screening of social media employers do nowadays, no upstanding individual in their right mind would even consider posting something like that.
btw i love that CNN suddenly changed their images of the two people involved now that there's suddenly evidence that zimmerman may have indeed actually been attacked
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do you have a chip on your shoulder
you come across as anti white
All my friends are Asian or White.
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All my friends are Asian or White.
these "white" people are your so called friends because they are afraid of you and you probably have some elected game with the hoes by your virtue of blackness
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Trayvon Martin shooting was not an act of racism, but a community trying to defend itself
Irish Central ^ | April 22, 2012 | Ed Farnan
Posted on April 22, 2012 9:00:25 PM EDT by 2ndDivisionVet
The sensationalism by the media against George Zimmerman for the shooting of Trayvon Martin, clouds the real reason a shooting occurred in the first place.
The pundits, the community organizers, the pot stirrers, are all trying to find a scapegoat and the convenient one to blame is George Zimmerman. But Zimmerman is but the symptom of a government failing in its prime function: To provide protection and security for its citizens. If government does not provide protection for its citizens, then the citizens will provide it for themselves...and what the citizens provide will not be as professional and polished as a trained police force.
The gated community that George Zimmerman is a resident, has been the repeated target of crime. Zimmerman himself had made repeated phone calls to the local police to report suspicious behavior/crime as had been requested by that department. Other members of the community had made calls as well. As far as the cops were concerned, that wasn’t excessive in a neighborhood fighting petty crime.
The neighborhood was on edge, particularly since they had suffered 8 burglaries in the past 14 months. Including the terrifying experience of resident Olivia Bertalan:
21 year old Bertalan was home alone with her infant son one morning last August when a man came to her door, knocked, and rang the bell. She peered out the window and didn't recognize the man. But then called police when another man came to her back door.
She ran upstairs clutching her son and locked herself in a bedroom as the second man entered her home. Terrified, both she and her son cried as the man tried to enter through the locked door of the bedroom. Both men ran when police arrived, but not before stealing a laptop and digital camera.
After the crime she was afraid to come home. She and her husband got a dog, as advised by police. "It was terrible," said Bertalan, who moved from the neighborhood last month because of this and other burglaries.
"There was definitely a sense of fear in the neighborhood after all of this started happening, and it just kept on happening. It wasn't just a one time thing. It was every week," she said. "Our next-door neighbor actually said if someone came into his yard or house he would shoot him. Everyone felt afraid and scared."
For years, Twin Lakes has been beset by crime which finally lead them to start a neighborhood-watch organization last September. The burglary of Olivia Bertalan’s home in August seems to have been a catalyst
There was a large sign post at the entrance of this gated community saying it had neighborhood watch and suspicious people would be reported to 911. This should give someone new in the neighborhood fair warning as to why they may be followed or watched and should invoke a sense of cooperation and understanding from those visiting.
As state and local governments drown in debt, they are cutting back. The California town of Vallejo went bankrupt due to spiraling costs. As a result city managers asked for concessions from public employee unions to help get the city back on sound fiscal footing. The unions wouldn't give up benefits or wages, as a result the town had to lay off police and fire forces and is now skeleton staffed with less, but more expensive personnel.
Oakland California, a financial basket case, did not have enough police officers last fall to respond to a violent beating which resulted in a death of one of its citizens in their own front yard. Police forces were busy patrolling the Occupy Oakland gathering.
These stories will be repeated around the country as budgets get tightened. Critical numbers of law enforcement will be reduced and response times to crimes will be lengthened. Some juristictions will no longer respond to certain types of crime because they just can't afford to hire enough police to respond. Revenue enhancement policing will be increased as municipalities struggle to bring in more money to their coffers. Speed traps are on the increase and traffic violations are watched for with an eagle eye as they bring in fines.
Communities are having to come to grips with the costs involved of protecting their citizens. Some communities are trying to cut costs by having non police dept technicians collect evidence at crime scenes. There is also talk of privatizing some segments of police work, such as traffic enforcement and other non violent crime areas.
Some communites are getting rid of their local departments of police and fire altogether, finding them too expensive to maintain, they are sub contracting with regional sheriff and fire depts to serve their needs. Many communities are now using private fire fighting services and considering using private security companies to proivide basic protections.
All of this doesn't bode well to the citizen that think instant help will be there with a 911 call. In many cases when danger is seconds away, the police are just minutes away and the difference between you living to be able to defend yourself in court, or dying and being carried away in a casket....is your right to bear fire arms.
There will be calls for tighter gun controls because of the Trayvon Martin shooting, but more restrictions only give the criminals a bigger advantage. Look at the cities with the tightest gun controls, it doesn't put a dent in the criminals owning guns. As a result citizens feel the need to enhance their security with more neighborhood watches and by purchasing fire arms for their personal protection.
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He didn`t ignore a police order. The 911 Dispatcher has no authority and a lot of the time they are complete morons anyways. Our very own Chad Mower was a 911 dispatcher. Plus, they don`t know what is going on at the scene, so they can talk all they want, but a lot of the times it can be useless or harmful information. Either way, they do not have to be obeyed at all.
I bet he wishes that he did listen to that 911 operator.
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Too much of a grey area. I got in a lot of fights growing up and if i was an American, i would have probably been shot 100 times over. People aren't responsible enough to use weapons in a generalistic sense. As is proven with this case. ...
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I don't know why this is even a case, or why it has become a race issue.
Some jackass wannabe cop followed a kid around, the kid didn't like it and got into an altercation, and the guy shot the kid.
Zimmerman was clearly the aggressor. Whether the kid was a shitty person or not is irrelevant.
I would be pissed off if some idiot playing cop was following me around trying to accuse me of shit or whatever the hell he was doing.
He didn't listen to the dispatcher, if he thought the kid was up to no good he should have let the cops come and handle and kept his ass in the truck.
but but but.,.. its not illegal to follow someone suspiciously ... i mean no he isnt a cop and doesnt have to traing that cops have, to maybe not do some of the things he did..but you know what... screw that.. he was protecting his community from the juice drinking skittle popping thug who was clearly up to no good ::)
Dude black white yellow or green.. This is fucking retarded
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I'm no Harvard law professor, but I do know a 150k bail on a 2nd degree murder is a joke. This judge clearly has 0 evidence to convict Zimm. I'm surprised this case isnt thrown out yet.
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but but but.,.. its not illegal to follow someone suspiciously ... i mean no he isnt a cop and doesnt have to traing that cops have, to maybe not do some of the things he did..but you know what... screw that.. he was protecting his community from the juice drinking skittle popping thug who was clearly up to no good ::)
Dude black white yellow or green.. This is fucking retarded
hoodie , gold teeth, pants around ass, MEET bullet. That's life or death if you will.
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Trayvon Martin shooting was not an act of racism, but a community trying to defend itself
seeing as trayvon wasn't a burglar, quite a case of mistaken identity.
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seeing as trayvon wasn't a burglar, quite a case of mistaken identity.
how do you know
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haven't posted on this in a while, glad to see 240 getting owned into oblivion.
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So, what did ZImmerman get rewarded with for shooting the burglar?
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how do you know
i can't prove a negative. there is no evidence he was a burglar. he was walking a direct path from store to house. Zimmerman immediately assigned him to that group "these assholes" - and I think that's why he was charged. He clearly profiled trayvon. he put him in that group and followed him.
i dont think zimmerman is 'winning'? he's spending the next year hiding in daddy's house before going on trial and then probably doing a decade in jail. Because he ran headfirst into a stupid situation and because he exaggerated shit to a 911 operator and it looks like afterwards.
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i can't prove a negative. there is no evidence he was a burglar. he was walking a direct path from store to house. Zimmerman immediately assigned him to that group "these assholes" - and I think that's why he was charged. He clearly profiled trayvon. he put him in that group and followed him.
i dont think zimmerman is 'winning'? he's spending the next year hiding in daddy's house before going on trial and then probably doing a decade in jail. Because he ran headfirst into a stupid situation and because he exaggerated shit to a 911 operator and it looks like afterwards.
None of that is a crime though.
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but but but.,.. its not illegal to follow someone suspiciously ... i mean no he isnt a cop and doesnt have to traing that cops have, to maybe not do some of the things he did..but you know what... screw that.. he was protecting his community from the juice drinking skittle popping thug who was clearly up to no good ::)
Dude black white yellow or green.. This is fucking retarded
Its not illegal to follow someone and little Ghetto Martin should have called the police if he felt threatened instead of attacking someone as they were getting back in their car.
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Its not illegal to follow someone and little Ghetto Martin should have called the police if he felt threatened instead of attacking someone as they were getting back in their car.
Like i said- gold teeth, pants around ass, hoodie MEET TROUBLE.
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Its not illegal to follow someone and little Ghetto Martin should have called the police if he felt threatened instead of attacking someone as they were getting back in their car.
Zimmerman contacted the police before confronting Martin and in between that time and the time the cops arrived, Martin was shot and killed. If you felt you were in immediate danger walking on a dim street, you really feel like your best option is to call the cops and wait it out?
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Zimmerman contacted the police before confronting Martin and in between that time and the time the cops arrived, Martin was shot and killed. If you felt you were in immediate danger walking on a dim street, you really feel like your best option is to call the cops and wait it out?
Why didnt Zimm physically attack or shoot any of the other dozens of people he called about in the hood on prior occasions?
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Does anyone know if Zimmerman tried in any way to detain Trayvon?
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Does anyone know if Zimmerman tried in any way to detain Trayvon?
I believe Zimmerman was trying to stop the burglar Trayvon, when he suddenly lashed out and started attacking Zimmerman, who was then defending himself and feared for his life.
Pulling out his gun was probably his last resort.
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Its not illegal to follow someone and little Ghetto Martin should have called the police if he felt threatened instead of attacking someone as they were getting back in their car.
Not to defend any side, but a stalking law could be mentioned here.
Here is the law specifically in Florida.
One could make the case that Zimmerman stalked Treyvon Martin.
Not saying he would win that case or that it's even correct, but a charge could be brought based upon the statute.
Fla. Stat. § 784.048. Stalking; definitions; penalties. (2008)
(1) As used in this section, the term:
(a) "Harass" means to engage in a course of conduct directed at a specific person that causes substantial emotional distress in such person and serves no legitimate purpose.
(b) "Course of conduct" means a pattern of conduct composed of a series of acts over a period of time, however short, evidencing a continuity of purpose. Constitutionally protected activity is not included within the meaning of "course of conduct." Such constitutionally protected activity includes picketing or other organized protests.
(c) "Credible threat" means a threat made with the intent to cause the person who is the target of the threat to reasonably fear for his or her safety. The threat must be against the life of, or a threat to cause bodily injury to, a person.
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I believe Zimmerman was trying to stop the burglar Trayvon, when he suddenly lashed out and started attacking Zimmerman, who was then defending himself and feared for his life.
Pulling out his gun was probably his last resort.
Burglar? What had he stolen and how did Zimmerman know he had stolen?
Anyway, Zimmerman had no legal right to detain anyone and in fact if you detain anyone while you are in a possesion of a gun that is legally considered kidnapping as far fetched as that sounds it is by law. This is all going to boil down to this, did Zimmerman do anything to provoke this kid.
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Burglar? What had he stolen and how did Zimmerman know he had stolen?
Anyway, Zimmerman had no legal right to detain anyone and in fact if you detain anyone while you are in a possesion of a gun that is legally considered kidnapping as far fetched as that sounds it is by law. This is all going to boil down to this, did Zimmerman do anything to provoke this kid.
The prosecution admitted in court they have no new evidence. Good luck trying to disprove zimmerman.
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Burglar? What had he stolen and how did Zimmerman know he had stolen?
Anyway, Zimmerman had no legal right to detain anyone and in fact (1) if you detain anyone while you are in a possesion of a gun that is legally considered kidnapping as far fetched as that sounds it is by law. (2) This is all going to boil down to this, did Zimmerman do anything to provoke this kid.
(1) Not true.
(2) Not true.
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Burglar? What had he stolen and how did Zimmerman know he had stolen?
Anyway, Zimmerman had no legal right to detain anyone and in fact if you detain anyone while you are in a possesion of a gun that is legally considered kidnapping as far fetched as that sounds it is by law. This is all going to boil down to this, did Zimmerman do anything to provoke this kid.
No, from Zimmermans story and the evidence he didnt try to detain him. There is no evidence to disprove Zimmermans story that Trayvon initiated the physical contact. Zimmerman supposedly was just watching him/keeping an eye on him while he was calling the police, and that Trayvon confronted him and attacked him.
Anyway its looking more and more like a concerned citizen called the cops on a "suspicious person", and said person didnt like it and attacked Zimmerman.
Especially since the prosecutor admitted she has no way of disproving Zimmermans story (read: not enough evidence to prove that he's guilty of a crime)
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Why didnt Zimm physically attack or shoot any of the other dozens of people he called about in the hood on prior occasions?
Wasn't he fired from from a job as a bouncer because he was too aggressive? Wasn't he arrested for a confrontation with police?
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I love this assertion that it was just a 12....I mean 17 year old kid that was walking down the street looking COMPLETELY unsuspicious. Could it be possible that a young man who was suspended from school multiple times and is at least brash enough to put a pic of himself on a social media site flipping off the cam...isn't it at least within consideration that he WAS doing something suspicious??
But nah...we gotta coddle our little fuckups and apologize for them that way a new generation of little monsters can be born and have the victim mentality while bringing jack shit to the betterment of society.
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I love this assertion that it was just a 12....I mean 17 year old kid that was walking down the street looking COMPLETELY unsuspicious. Could it be possible that a young man who was suspended from school multiple times and is at least brash enough to put a pic of himself on a social media site flipping off the cam...isn't it at least within consideration that he WAS doing something suspicious??
But nah...we gotta coddle our little fuckups and apologize for them that way a new generation of little monsters can be born and have the victim mentality while bringing jack shit to the betterment of society.
"Not murdering" =\= "coddling"
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333386, zimmerpig attacked a police officer! Did you forget that?
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Man Beaten By Mob, In Critical Condition (one of them said "Now thats justice for Trayvon.")
wkrg.com ^ | April 23, 2012 | WKRG Staff
Posted on April 23, 2012 8:33:25 PM EDT by Free ThinkerNY
MOBILE, Alabama -- Mobile police need your help to catch a mob that beat Matthew Owens so badly that he's in critical condition.
According to police, Owens fussed at some kids playing basketball in the middle of Delmar Drive about 8:30 Saturday night. They say the kids left and a group of adults returned, armed with everything but the kitchen sink.
Police tell News 5 the suspects used chairs, pipes and paint cans to beat Owens.
Owens' sister, Ashley Parker, saw the attack. "It was the scariest thing I have ever witnessed." Parker says 20 people, all African American, attacked her brother on the front porch of his home, using "brass buckles, paint cans and anything they could get their hands on."
Police will only say "multiple people" are involved.
What Parker says happened next could make the fallout from the brutal beating even worse. As the attackers walked away, leaving Owen bleeding on the ground, Parker says one of them said "Now thats justice for Trayvon."
(Excerpt) Read more at 2.wkrg.com ...
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333386, zimmerpig attacked a police officer! Did you forget that?
Two plainclothes police officers pushed Zimmerman's friend up against a wall, and he tried to intervene not knowing they were cops. Not quite the same as "attacking a police officer".
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Man Beaten By Mob, In Critical Condition (one of them said "Now thats justice for Trayvon.")
wkrg.com ^ | April 23, 2012 | WKRG Staff
Posted on April 23, 2012 8:33:25 PM EDT by Free ThinkerNY
MOBILE, Alabama -- Mobile police need your help to catch a mob that beat Matthew Owens so badly that he's in critical condition.
According to police, Owens fussed at some kids playing basketball in the middle of Delmar Drive about 8:30 Saturday night. They say the kids left and a group of adults returned, armed with everything but the kitchen sink.
Police tell News 5 the suspects used chairs, pipes and paint cans to beat Owens.
Owens' sister, Ashley Parker, saw the attack. "It was the scariest thing I have ever witnessed." Parker says 20 people, all African American, attacked her brother on the front porch of his home, using "brass buckles, paint cans and anything they could get their hands on."
Police will only say "multiple people" are involved.
What Parker says happened next could make the fallout from the brutal beating even worse. As the attackers walked away, leaving Owen bleeding on the ground, Parker says one of them said "Now thats justice for Trayvon."
(Excerpt) Read more at 2.wkrg.com ...
Damn, coloreds are so unintelligent.
How exactly was that justice for Trayvon? Owen had NOTHING to do with Trayvon.
Such moronic people! Race of Peace!
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I think when Zimmerman takes the stand he should just yell out HE STARTED IT
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I think when Zimmerman takes the stand he should just yell out HE STARTED IT
Agreed, best defense evar. (And in this case probably accurate and will probably get him off scott free.
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the only evidence would be the word of a dead kid.
i seriously think zimm will do time for this. it was a legal shoot, but since he did everything he could to cause it, the jury is gonna throw the book at him anyway.
itll really be one of those cases. he was angry, he ran headfirst into it, and there isn't evidence because he killed the MINOR who would have said it.
oh, and TM's gf on the phone said that zimm was following him and challenged him.
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Man Beaten By Mob, In Critical Condition (one of them said "Now thats justice for Trayvon.")
wkrg.com ^ | April 23, 2012 | WKRG Staff
Posted on April 23, 2012 8:33:25 PM EDT by Free ThinkerNY
MOBILE, Alabama -- Mobile police need your help to catch a mob that beat Matthew Owens so badly that he's in critical condition.
According to police, Owens fussed at some kids playing basketball in the middle of Delmar Drive about 8:30 Saturday night. They say the kids left and a group of adults returned, armed with everything but the kitchen sink.
Police tell News 5 the suspects used chairs, pipes and paint cans to beat Owens.
Owens' sister, Ashley Parker, saw the attack. "It was the scariest thing I have ever witnessed." Parker says 20 people, all African American, attacked her brother on the front porch of his home, using "brass buckles, paint cans and anything they could get their hands on."
Police will only say "multiple people" are involved.
What Parker says happened next could make the fallout from the brutal beating even worse. As the attackers walked away, leaving Owen bleeding on the ground, Parker says one of them said "Now thats justice for Trayvon."
(Excerpt) Read more at 2.wkrg.com ...
I wonder if this will be labeled a "hate crime?" ::)
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the only evidence would be the word of a dead kid.
i seriously think zimm will do time for this. it was a legal shoot, but since he did everything he could to cause it, the jury is gonna throw the book at him anyway.
itll really be one of those cases. he was angry, he ran headfirst into it, and there isn't evidence because he killed the MINOR who would have said it.
oh, and TM's gf on the phone said that zimm was following him and challenged him.
Do you know why bail was set at 150k for a murder trial? Thats an absolute joke. The prosecutors went conservative and asked for a $1 million bail -denied
The bail is mainly based on the prosecutors case. If the judge feels they have enough evidence to convict they usually deny bail, because the defendant has nothing to loose. So for bail to be set is a good sign for the defense. For it to be set at such a low number means there is no evidence to convict.
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the only evidence would be the word of a dead kid.
i seriously think zimm will do time for this. it was a legal shoot, but since he did everything he could to cause it, the jury is gonna throw the book at him anyway.
itll really be one of those cases. he was angry, he ran headfirst into it, and there isn't evidence because he killed the MINOR who would have said it.
oh, and TM's gf on the phone said that zimm was following him and challenged him.
Yeah, youre right, except for the fact that the prosecutor already admitted she had no way of refuting his story, and he didnt commit the crime theyre charging him with. They have to prove, beyond a reasonable doubt, that he is guilty. He didnt stalk and kill this kid. He didnt go out with the intent to murder someone. He acted out of self defense, (regardless of who started the argument), they cant prove that Zimmerman initiated physical contact, and there is no laws against calling the cops and following someone who may be suspicious, in a neighborhood that has been plagued with robberies (evidently Zimmerman also helped stopped a robbery in the neighborhood sometime before that incident).
Its looking more and more like he's going to walk. Especially since the dumbass prosecutor admitted she cant prove his story wrong. Which is everything. If they cant prove his story wrong, they cant prove he's guilty. Period.
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the only evidence would be the word of a dead kid.
i seriously think zimm will do time for this. it was a legal shoot, but since he did everything he could to cause it, the jury is gonna throw the book at him anyway.
itll really be one of those cases. he was angry, he ran headfirst into it, and there isn't evidence because he killed the MINOR who would have said it.
oh, and TM's gf on the phone said that zimm was following him and challenged him.
I could be wrong but I'm pretty sure that was thrown out because it was a lie
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Do you know why bail was set at 150k for a murder trial? Thats an absolute joke. The prosecutors went conservative and asked for a $1 million bail -denied
The bail is mainly based on the prosecutors case. If the judge feels they have enough evidence to convict they usually deny bail, because the defendant has nothing to loose. So for bail to be set is a good sign for the defense. For it to be set at such a low number means there is no evidence to convict.
Ignore 240. He's been made to look like a total moron over and over - now he's just hanging on for the ride because he's committed, he let MSNBC form his opinion within day 1. Its been an absolute mess of patheticness watching 240 flounder around vainly trying to prove that he's not a total sucker for the media's crusade.
The prosecutor herself said she has no evidence to prove his story wrong.
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the only evidence would be the word of a dead kid.
i seriously think zimm will do time for this. it was a legal shoot, but since he did everything he could to cause it, the jury is gonna throw the book at him anyway.
itll really be one of those cases. he was angry, he ran headfirst into it, and there isn't evidence because he killed the MINOR who would have said it.
oh, and TM's gf on the phone said that zimm was following him and challenged him.
A teenage girlfriend saying that to a liberal media outlet eager to get some ratings/sales and it standing up in court under the questioning of a competent defense lawyer are two totally different things, Rob.
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The shoot was LEGAL.
ZImm was an ASS for pursuing someone he believed was on drugs and armed with something from waistband into the dark when popo was 3 minutes away.
Sometimes, people who do LEGAL things will still go to jail cause they lie and cause they cause fcked up situations.
This may be one of those cases. I can just as easily put on an offensive t-shirt, put on my twin glocks, and walk around cracktown insulting people's moms until someone knocks me down... at which time I can blast a garage door out the back of their head LEGALLY. Then when the cops come, I'll exaggerate shit left and right.
And while it's LEGAL, my ass might end up doing time anyway.
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it was a legal shoot, but since he did everything he could to cause it, the jury is gonna throw the book at him anyway.
Missed these gems, both in the same sentence!
A - if its a legal shoot, he walks you idiot. If they determine his shooting was legal, then he's not guilty of 2nd degree murder.
B - The jury doesnt throw shit you moron, the JUDGE decides the sentence, the Jury simply determines if he's guilty of the crime he's being charged. And I believe that the judge can change the severity of the conviction in light of evidence. (could be wrong on this one).
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Ignore 240. He's been made to look like a total moron over and over - now he's just hanging on for the ride because he's committed, he let MSNBC form his opinion within day 1. Its been an absolute mess of patheticness watching 240 flounder around vainly trying to prove that he's not a total sucker for the media's crusade.
The prosecutor herself said she has no evidence to prove his story wrong.
I know. Of course he is a 911 thruther. So I bet if someone made a fake youtube video of Treyvone attacking Zimmerman he would change his mind?
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I know. Of course he is a 911 thruther. So I bet if someone made a fake youtube video of Treyvone attacking Zimmerman he would change his mind?
Lol. maybe 180 would be convinced by holograms of the event.
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I know. Of course he is a 911 thruther. So I bet if someone made a fake youtube video of Treyvone attacking Zimmerman he would change his mind?
Zing!
Some more interesting work from 240 on the subject -
All he needed to say that Zimmerman was drunk beyond a shadow of a doubt, was that he had a prior for alcohol and that he was coming home from target. <--- Dude actually said this!!!
He had him convicted in the 1st day, and he spent the 1st week arguing how Zimmerman was a wannabe vigilante asshole who was just looking for an opportunity to shoot this kid.
And then the evidence started piling up.
Oh, and he's strongest argument (in his head) has been that his whole story is a clear lie because - get this - his dad said that he got his head beat on the concrete for 60 seconds. And in 240's professional medical opinion, the marks on his head in the single-angle photos clearly doesnt show 60 seconds of head bashing, and there is clearly no other explanation possible at all, not even that he could have been fighting back or that he wasnt aware of exactly how long he spent on his back. Nope, it means since his DAD clearly lied about that, then his whole story is clearly a lie and he's a murderer. (this came after him arguing for a week that Zimmerman appeared to have NO injuries after the event because a story on NBC said so)
Then he changed it to "Oh, its a legal shoot but he's still guilty and gonna do time, cause he was an asshole and (insert assumptions of intent, exaggerations and lies about the 911 call here) and his dad said he got his head beat on the concrete for 60 seconds so the jury is gonna know he's lieing about his whole story cause' of something his dad said outside of court!"
These are facts.
Lulz.
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The shoot was LEGAL.
ZImm was an ASS for pursuing someone he believed was on drugs and armed with something from waistband into the dark when popo was 3 minutes away.
Sometimes, people who do LEGAL things will still go to jail cause they lie and cause they cause fcked up situations.
This may be one of those cases. I can just as easily put on an offensive t-shirt, put on my twin glocks, and walk around cracktown insulting people's moms until someone knocks me down... at which time I can blast a garage door out the back of their head LEGALLY. Then when the cops come, I'll exaggerate shit left and right.
And while it's LEGAL, my ass might end up doing time anyway.
I agree with everything you have written except for the part in bold.
Alot of people are making the case that Trayvon was walking down the street minding his business like a perfect angel, looking completely unsuspicious. We still have heard very little from Zimmermans testimony. The possibility that Trayvon provoked a BIG portion of this whole thing is still a very real possibility and we won't really know until this story unfolds a little bit more. I know that goes against the "sweet little 10 year old angel" angle the media is trying to portray though...
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Legal shoot. period.
but ya stretch the truth to police, you have a history of violence and alcohol problems, you make a 911 call like that, you're the only one left alive..
I just think he will (wrongfully) do some time for this because of it. He didn't break the law but they'll lock him up, I predict.
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240 is busy watching a CSI-Pompano Beach marathon dressed only in a bulletproof vest and holding his twin 9mm's as we speak......he should report back with some serious evidence to support Tyrone.
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I agree with everything you have written except for the part in bold.
Alot of people are making the case that Trayvon was walking down the street minding his business like a perfect angel, looking completely unsuspicious. We still have heard very little from Zimmermans testimony. The possibility that Trayvon provoked a BIG portion of this whole thing is still a very real possibility and we won't really know until this story unfolds a little bit more. I know that goes against the "sweet little 10 year old angel" angle the media is trying to portray though...
I'm using the 911 call.
"he looks like he is on drugs"
"He is reaching into his waistband"
"He has something in his hand now from his waistband"
To me, he's just exaggerating shit to get 911 there faster and to arrive guns hot, thinking they're gonna get a smacked out guy with a tech9.
To me, if you TRULY believe a dude is on drugs and carrying something from the waistband, your ass is staying in the truck. Especially after the 911 operator advises and you know the popo is 3 minutes away.
I don't think zimm believed kid was 'on drugs or something...'
I don't think zimm saw a damn thing come from waistband (he was on cell carrying drink - why waistband?)
because he fudged truth to get 911 there faster, his hass has no credibility. If i'm a juror, I think he's either fcking stupid for chasing what he believed to be an armed stoner - or I think he was bullshitting the 911 operator.
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I'm using the 911 call.
"he looks like he is on drugs"
"He is reaching into his waistband"
"He has something in his hand now from his waistband"
To me, he's just exaggerating shit to get 911 there faster and to arrive guns hot, thinking they're gonna get a smacked out guy with a tech9.
To me, if you TRULY believe a dude is on drugs and carrying something from the waistband, your ass is staying in the truck. Especially after the 911 operator advises and you know the popo is 3 minutes away.
I don't think zimm believed kid was 'on drugs or something...'
I don't think zimm saw a damn thing come from waistband (he was on cell carrying drink - why waistband?)
because he fudged truth to get 911 there faster, his hass has no credibility. If i'm a juror, I think he's either fcking stupid for chasing what he believed to be an armed stoner - or I think he was bullshitting the 911 operator.
And he NEVER said he was pulling somethign from his waistband.
Kill yourself you lieing sack of shit. You make it sound like he was telling the dispatcher that the dude was pulling a gun out of his waistband, instead of just DESCRIBING THE KID LIKE THE DISPATCHER ASKED. He didnt fudge anything - your just adding intent to his words to make it seem like he was trying to do something, when you have no fucking clue what he was doing.
Zimmerman:
We’ve had some break-ins in my neighborhood and there’s a real suspicious guy. It’s Retreat View Circle. The best address I can give you is 111 Retreat View Circle.
This guy looks like he’s up to no good or he’s on drugs or something. It’s raining and he’s just walking around looking about. [00:25]
911 dispatcher:
OK, is he White, Black, or Hispanic?
Zimmerman:
He looks black.
911 dispatcher:
Did you see what he was wearing?
Zimmerman:
Yeah, a dark hoodie like a gray hoodie. He wore jeans or sweat pants and white tennis shoes. He’s here now … he’s just staring. [00:42]
911 dispatcher:
He’s just walking around the area, the houses? OK.
Zimmerman:
Now he’s staring at me. [00:48]
911 dispatcher:
OK, you said that’s 1111 Retreat View or 111?
Zimmerman:
That’s the clubhouse.
911 dispatcher:
He’s near the clubhouse now?
Zimmerman:
Yeah, now he’s coming toward me. He’s got his hands in his waist band.
And he’s a black male.[1:03]
911 dispatcher:
How old would you say he is?
Zimmerman:
He’s got something on his shirt. About like his late teens.
911 dispatcher:
Late teens?
Zimmerman:
Uh, huh.
Something’s wrong with him. Yep, he’s coming to check me out.
He’s got something in his hands. I don’t know what his deal is. [01:20]
911 dispatcher
Let me know if he does anything, OK?
Zimmerman:
OK.
911 dispatcher:
We’ve got him on the wire. Just let me know if this guy does anything else.
Zimmerman:
OK.
These aszholes. They always get away.
When you come to the clubhouse, you come straight in and you go left. Actually, you would go past the clubhouse. [1:39]
Dont let facts get in your way or anything, lies or bust.
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I'm using the 911 call.
"he looks like he is on drugs"
"He is reaching into his waistband"
"He has something in his hand now from his waistband"
To me, he's just exaggerating shit to get 911 there faster and to arrive guns hot, thinking they're gonna get a smacked out guy with a tech9.
To me, if you TRULY believe a dude is on drugs and carrying something from the waistband, your ass is staying in the truck. Especially after the 911 operator advises and you know the popo is 3 minutes away.
I don't think zimm believed kid was 'on drugs or something...'
I don't think zimm saw a damn thing come from waistband (he was on cell carrying drink - why waistband?)
because he fudged truth to get 911 there faster, his hass has no credibility. If i'm a juror, I think he's either fcking stupid for chasing what he believed to be an armed stoner - or I think he was bullshitting the 911 operator.
Are you saying Trayvon couldn't have scratched his balls with his phone in his hand? You are so sure that Trayvon didn't touch his waistband in any way, shape, or form....so much so, that you do not believe anything Zimmerman says? So, because you believe that Zimmerman did not see Trayvon touch his waistband in any way, shape, or form....if you were on the jury, you would vote guilty? Is this correct 240?
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Zimmerman:
Yeah, now he’s coming toward me. He’s got his hands in his waist band.
And he’s a black male.[1:03]
This is Tbombz wet dream.
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This is Tbombz wet dream.
To quote JNN, pWnd.
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Are you saying Trayvon couldn't have scratched his balls with his phone in his hand? You are so sure that Trayvon didn't touch his waistband in any way, shape, or form....so much so, that you do not believe anything Zimmerman says? So, because you believe that Zimmerman did not see Trayvon touch his waistband in any way, shape, or form....if you were on the jury, you would vote guilty? Is this correct 240?
Young guy sees/feels that he is being followed...young guy reaches towards his pants and begins to act like he is strapped, even though he isn't. Why is this such an absurd or inconceivable scenario?
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1) Yeah, now he’s coming toward me. He’s got his hands in his waist band.
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2) He’s got something in his hands.
add in 3) He's got something wrong with him
and you've got some good reasons not to chase him into the darkness.
Unless you're laying the defense for a legal shoot. Was he?
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Young guy sees/feels that he is being followed...young guy reaches towards his pants and begins to act like he is strapped, even though he isn't. Why is this such an absurd or inconceivable scenario?
so why would any sane man PURSUE that, knowing popo is about to arrive, and when police suggested he stay in the truck - and he agreed to meet them at the truck/mailbox.
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so why would any sane man PURSUE that, knowing popo is about to arrive, and when police suggested he stay in the truck - and he agreed to meet them at the truck/mailbox.
Did you watch the bond hearing? You know there are new facts to this case, don't you?
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Young guy sees/feels that he is being followed...young guy reaches towards his pants and begins to act like he is strapped, even though he isn't. Why is this such an absurd or inconceivable scenario?
LOL, that is why I assume 240 is just trolling. Unfortunately, some people think he is serious and agree with what he is saying....
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LOL, that is why I assume 240 is just trolling. Unfortunately, some people think he is serious and agree with what he is saying....
Dude - hes not trolling.
Go read the thread in the political board.
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so why would any sane man PURSUE that, knowing popo is about to arrive, and when police suggested he stay in the truck - and he agreed to meet them at the truck/mailbox.
Who knows? Maybe he KNEW the young man was bluffing?
You have been around guns for years from what I have gathered of your posts over the past few years and you have a good sense of reading people and figuring out what they are all about. Don't you think you would have an inclination at the age of 28 years old what a 17 year old was REALLY packing, skittles or a 9mm? Hell in some cases you might be able to tell with ease that the young man was completely full of shit. You might have just said outright "I know that guy bluffling, he ain't carrying a gun, no question about it"
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1) Yeah, now he’s coming toward me. He’s got his hands in his waist band.
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2) He’s got something in his hands.
add in 3) He's got something wrong with him
and you've got some good reasons not to chase him into the darkness.
Unless you're laying the defense for a legal shoot. Was he?
Way to restructure it to make it seem like what you want it to. Fail. Something in his hands could have been his fucking skittles, or his phone, or his juice, or ANYTHING. ::)
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I just don't see how anyone can look at this situation and not realize that AT THIS POINT it's a piece of shit case and the prosecution's charge of SECOND DEGREE MURDER is laughable/outright incompetence.
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Man Beaten By Mob, In Critical Condition (one of them said "Now thats justice for Trayvon.")
wkrg.com ^ | April 23, 2012 | WKRG Staff
Posted on April 23, 2012 8:33:25 PM EDT by Free ThinkerNY
MOBILE, Alabama -- Mobile police need your help to catch a mob that beat Matthew Owens so badly that he's in critical condition.
According to police, Owens fussed at some kids playing basketball in the middle of Delmar Drive about 8:30 Saturday night. They say the kids left and a group of adults returned, armed with everything but the kitchen sink.
Police tell News 5 the suspects used chairs, pipes and paint cans to beat Owens.
Owens' sister, Ashley Parker, saw the attack. "It was the scariest thing I have ever witnessed." Parker says 20 people, all African American, attacked her brother on the front porch of his home, using "brass buckles, paint cans and anything they could get their hands on."
Police will only say "multiple people" are involved.
What Parker says happened next could make the fallout from the brutal beating even worse. As the attackers walked away, leaving Owen bleeding on the ground, Parker says one of them said "Now thats justice for Trayvon."
(Excerpt) Read more at 2.wkrg.com ...
:P
Lesson for all. If a group of kids are playing basketball, don't run up to them and tell them to stop playing and get lost. You're just asking for trouble. Call the police, don't be a moron
Remember, kids usually have parents..... ;D
(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/04/24/article-2134340-12BE275D000005DC-691_634x494.jpg)
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The shoot was LEGAL.
ZImm was an ASS for pursuing someone he believed was on drugs and armed with something from waistband into the dark when popo was 3 minutes away.
Sometimes, people who do LEGAL things will still go to jail cause they lie and cause they cause fcked up situations.
This may be one of those cases. I can just as easily put on an offensive t-shirt, put on my twin glocks, and walk around cracktown insulting people's moms until someone knocks me down... at which time I can blast a garage door out the back of their head LEGALLY. Then when the cops come, I'll exaggerate shit left and right.
And while it's LEGAL, my ass might end up doing time anyway.
The fact is regardless as to what happenned which we will never truly know. The whole incident would have been prevented if Zimmerman stayed in his vehicle and called the cops....plain and simple.... No one is going to try to punch through a glass window.
The incident was created by Zimmerman and was preventable which is why he's being charged with 2nd degree murder. Even if he isn't convicted, he's going to face federal charges of violating Trayvon's civil rights. He had NO AUTHORITY whatsoever to follow and pursue anyone and he should have listened to the 911 operator.
Hopefully, if he's smart he'll make a plea bargain because if he goes to trial, he's going to be convicted. Don't play hero, and don't play police officer
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The fact is regardless as to what happenned which we will never truly know. The whole incident would have been prevented if Zimmerman stayed in his vehicle and called the cops....plain and simple.... No one is going to try to punch through a glass window.
The incident was created by Zimmerman and was preventable which is why he's being charged with 2nd degree murder. Even if he isn't convicted, he's going to face federal charges of violating Trayvon's civil rights. He had NO AUTHORITY whatsoever to follow and pursue anyone and he should have listened to the 911 operator.
Hopefully, if he's smart he'll make a plea bargain because if he goes to trial, he's going to be convicted. Don't play hero, and don't play police officer
You say this: "...as to what happenned which we will never truly know." then you go on to say this:
-"The whole incident would have been prevented if Zimmerman..."
-"The incident was created by Zimmerman..."
*If no one will never know what truly happened Vince, how do you know the statements above are true?
Moreover, if he is smart...he will NOT take a plea bargain (and he won't) because the chances of him getting convicted are slim to none.
Additionally, you state: "...he's going to face federal charges of violating Trayvon's civil rights." This will not happen either, but humor us....what evidence do you have that leads you to make such a statement?
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You say this: "...as to what happenned which we will never truly know." then you go on to say this:
-"The whole incident would have been prevented if Zimmerman..."
-"The incident was created by Zimmerman..."
*If no one will never know what truly happened Vince, how do you know the statements above are true?
Moreover, if he is smart...he will NOT take a plea bargain (and he won't) because the chances of him getting convicted are slim to none.
Additionally, you state: "...he's going to face federal charges of violating Trayvon's civil rights." This will not happen either, but humor us....what evidence do you have that leads you to make such a statement?
Lol, his evidence? Eric holder is a scumbag racist.
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Lol, his evidence? Eric holder is a scumbag racist.
Think the timing is a little suspicious or what?
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/04/23/us-usa-florida-firefighters-idUSBRE83M1KQ20120423
(Reuters) - The Justice Department sued the city of Jacksonville, Florida, on Monday, claiming its use of written tests to determine promotions in the city's fire department discriminates against African-Americans.
The lawsuit followed a more than two-year investigation examining Jacksonville's record of promoting African-Americans for the ranks of lieutenant, captain, district chief and engineer dating back to 2004.
It came after a separate lawsuit filed last year by two dozen Jacksonville firefighters challenging the city's promotional process. In the lawsuit, the firefighters alleged union officials unfairly shared exam questions with white workers but not with black workers ahead of the test.
"This complaint should send a clear message to all public employers that employment practices that have the effect of excluding qualified candidates on account of race will not be tolerated," Thomas Perez, a U.S. assistant attorney general for civil rights, said in a statement.
A spokesman for the Jacksonville mayor's office declined to comment.
The complaint by the Justice Department alleges the exams are "not job related for the positions in question."
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Think the timing is a little suspicious or what?
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/04/23/us-usa-florida-firefighters-idUSBRE83M1KQ20120423
(Reuters) - The Justice Department sued the city of Jacksonville, Florida, on Monday, claiming its use of written tests to determine promotions in the city's fire department discriminates against African-Americans.
The lawsuit followed a more than two-year investigation examining Jacksonville's record of promoting African-Americans for the ranks of lieutenant, captain, district chief and engineer dating back to 2004.
It came after a separate lawsuit filed last year by two dozen Jacksonville firefighters challenging the city's promotional process. In the lawsuit, the firefighters alleged union officials unfairly shared exam questions with white workers but not with black workers ahead of the test.
"This complaint should send a clear message to all public employers that employment practices that have the effect of excluding qualified candidates on account of race will not be tolerated," Thomas Perez, a U.S. assistant attorney general for civil rights, said in a statement.
A spokesman for the Jacksonville mayor's office declined to comment.
The complaint by the Justice Department alleges the exams are "not job related for the positions in question."
Theyre saying that Union officials are letting white people see the questions ahead of time, but not blacks? And that is keeping them from being promoted? But then they say that the "exams are not job related for the positions in question"?
Sounds like the black people are having problems passing the tests. 1st claiming that the Union people are sharing them with whites, then claiming they arent related to the job. But no complaints from mexicans, asians, or any other ethnic group. Doesnt seem like theyre having any problems passing the tests.
IMHO they shouldnt sue the city if it winds up being that the black people simply werent able to pass the tests as well as white people. That wouldnt make any sense. No one should be promoted over someone else who is better qualified simply because of their race - thats simply racism with the colors swapped.
But if it turns out that they were letting candidates of a certain race see the questions ahead of time, then that is wrong and something should be done, no doubt. They need to fix that shit asap.
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NYC is always under fire , no pun intended, for the same crap regarding the fire test written exam.
Just what we want - a bunch of illiterate thugs running into fires - well on second thought . . . . . .. . . ;D ;D ;D
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NYC is always under fire , no pun intended, for the same crap regarding the fire test written exam.
Just what we want - a bunch of illiterate thugs running into fires - well on second thought . . . . . .. . . ;D ;D ;D
Well I dont know about that, if it winds up that they WERE letting white people in on the test beforehand, they have a legitimate complaint and it should be addressed.
I just hope its not another play for "fairness" that winds up placing unqualified people in positions wrongfully.
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Well I dont know about that, if it winds up that they WERE letting white people in on the test beforehand, they have a legitimate complaint and it should be addressed.
I just hope its not another play for "fairness" that winds up placing unqualified people in positions wrongfully.
Where is the proof of that? Its always a CT when losers fail written exams.
Did these people fail the exams? If they failed - then the issue of whether the whites were given the answers is wrong an should be dealt with, but still does nt negate the fact that the blacks also failed.
Sems like typical union bs. Schmucks all around.
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Where is the proof of that? Its always a CT when losers fail written exams.
Did these people fail the exams? If they failed - then the issue of whether the whites were given the answers is wrong an should be dealt with, but still does nt negate the fact that the blacks also failed.
Sems like typical union bs. Schmucks all around.
Well yeah, thats what I was saying. They shouldnt change the testing process because they cant get enough black people to pass it. The only issue I see here is them giving the white people the questions ahead of time. Do they have any evidence of them giving the white people the questions? Or is it simply that their test scores are higher?
Because if they have no real evidence and its simply because they dont/cant make equal or better test scores, than this should be thrown out.
If they do have evidence, they should stop it. If the test scores equal out, then great.
If they do have evidence, they stop it and nothing changes, too bad, so sad, you dont make the cut and someone better qualified did. Better luck next time.
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Well yeah, thats what I was saying. They shouldnt change the testing process because they cant get enough black people to pass it, than its a non-issue. The only issue I see here is them giving the white people the questions ahead of time. Do they have any evidence of them giving the white people the questions? Or is it simply that their test scores are higher?
Because if they have no real evidence and its simply because they dont/cant make equal or better test scores, than this should be thrown out.
If they do have evidence, they should stop it. If the test scores equal out, then great.
If they do have evidence, they stop it and nothing changes, too bad, so sad, you dont make the cut and someone better qualified did. Better luck next time.
True - and additionally, the way the economy is right now - you can get great candiates who score w flying colors without the needs for these shennanigans.
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Dershowitz: Zimmerman prosecutors should be investigated (References Mobile, AL racial beat-down)
The Examiner ^ | April 24, 2012 | Kevin Kervick
Posted on Tuesday, April 24, 2012 4:37:36 PM by 2ndDivisionVet
Harvard Law School Professor Alan Dershowitz believes the prosecution team in the George Zimmerman case should be investigated to see if they committed a criminal act.
On the Glenn Beck radio program today, Professor Dershowitz said he does not believe the Florida prosecution team had sufficient evidence to charge George Zimmerman with second degree murder in the death of Trayvon Martin in Sanford, Florida. Unless there is additional evidence, Dershowitz believes the second degree murder charge is baseless. Dershowitz added that he does not see any justification for the prosecution to withhold evidence.
Furthermore, in an explosive charge, Dershowitz said he believes the Florida prosecution, may be guilty of committing an ethical violation, and potentially may have committed a criminal act by charging Zimmerman with second degree murder. If the prosecution had access to a photograph showing the bloodied head of Mr. Zimmerman, taken immediately after the incident on February 26, there was no basis for a second degree murder charge, according to Dershowitz. If it were proven that the prosecution had access to the photograph, and filed a second degree murder charge anyway, Dershowitz believes they may be guilty of Subornation of perjury which is a very serious charge.
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...This is an explosive situation because there has already apparently been violence perpetrated by people who believed they were avenging the death of Trayvon Martin. In a tragic situation that occured in Mobile Alabama yesterday, a mob of African-American adults allegedly attacked a white man who had approached some African-American youth about playing basketball in the street. The mob used chairs, pipes, and paint cans to beat the man who is in critical condition. According to a witness at the scene, one of the attackers allegedly said, 'Now that's justice for Trayvon'....
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These prosecutors should be brought up on criminal charges and Zimmerman should be given some sort of retribution for having his name destroyed by this foolishness. I hope he ends up suing the state.
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These prosecutors should be brought up on criminal charges and Zimmerman should be given some sort of retribution for having his name destroyed by this foolishness. I hope he ends up suing the state.
He better, because his life is fucking ruined unless he makes enough bank to disappear. Poor bastards life is over, even if he walks. I woudlnt be suprised to hear of some idiot murdering him over this, if he walks.
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You say this: "...as to what happenned which we will never truly know." then you go on to say this:
-"The whole incident would have been prevented if Zimmerman..."
-"The incident was created by Zimmerman..."
*If no one will never know what truly happened Vince, how do you know the statements above are true?
Moreover, if he is smart...he will NOT take a plea bargain (and he won't) because the chances of him getting convicted are slim to none.
Additionally, you state: "...he's going to face federal charges of violating Trayvon's civil rights." This will not happen either, but humor us....what evidence do you have that leads you to make such a statement?
No we won't truly know what happenned. But its clear that Zimmerman initiated whatever occurred by his actions and he killed someone. He's not going to walk away a free man by no circumstances and he would be nuts to not take a plea bargain especially since he shot an unarmed person who was clearly not committing any crime.
As far as federal charges, Obama has already got his number and his ass. He's going to do some time
Zimmerman prob isn't a racist but he is a fucking idiot who tried to do the job of a police officer which he isn't.
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No we won't truly know what happenned. But its clear that Zimmerman initiated whatever occurred by his actions and he killed someone. He's not going to walk away a free man by no circumstances and he would be nuts to not take a plea bargain especially since he shot an unarmed person who was clearly not committing any crime.
As far as federal charges, Obama has already got his number and his ass. He's going to do some time
Zimmerman prob isn't a racist but he is a fucking idiot who tried to do the job of a police officer which he isn't.
Agreed, this case is completely fucked ala Casey Anthony.
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No we won't truly knowwhat happenned. But its clear that Zimmerman initiated whatever occurred by his actions and he killed someone. He's not going to walk away a free man by no circumstances and he would be nuts to not take a plea bargain especially since he shot an unarmed person who was clearly not committing any crime.
As far as federal charges, Obama has already got his number and his ass. He's going to do some time
Zimmerman prob isn't a racist but he is a fucking idiot who tried to do the job of a police officer which he isn't.
Lulz, you have no idea that he initiated whatever occured. You just said you wont truly know what happened, then follow it with "Its clear that Zimmerman.....". Which is bullshit. You may think that following someone is somehow initiating a conflict or a crime, but the law does not.
It doesnt matter if he walked up to his face and started screaming that he was a punk, as long as he didnt touch him its all on Trayvon. If things went down like he said they did, right or wrong, he's going to walk as he committed no crimes.
The prosecutor even admitted she has no evidence to disprove his story - so much so that a defense attorney has suggested bringing charges against HER.
As I said, it may not be right, but as long as he didnt initiate physical contact he didnt commit any crimes. Its not illegal to watch or follow someone. It IS illegal to assault someone because theyre following you.
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No we won't truly know what happenned. But its clear that Zimmerman initiated whatever occurred by his actions and he killed someone. He's not going to walk away a free man by no circumstances and he would be nuts to not take a plea bargain especially since he shot an unarmed person who was clearly not committing any crime.
As far as federal charges, Obama has already got his number and his ass. He's going to do some time
Zimmerman prob isn't a racist but he is a fucking idiot who tried to do the job of a police officer which he isn't.
I think Shockwave responded pretty well. Just to reiterate, we don't know what truly happened and therefore it is NOT clear that Zimmerman initiated anything. Accordingly, chances are high that he will walk away a free man.
You believe Obama dislikes him and therefore he will have to deal with federal charges? I don't know why I bother debating on this site sometimes...boredom I guess...
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Lulz, you have no idea that he initiated whatever occured. You just said you wont truly know what happened, then follow it with "Its clear that Zimmerman.....". Which is bullshit. You may think that following someone is somehow initiating a conflict or a crime, but the law does not.
It doesnt matter if he walked up to his face and started screaming that he was a punk, as long as he didnt touch him its all on Trayvon. If things went down like he said they did, right or wrong, he's going to walk as he committed no crimes.
The prosecutor even admitted she has no evidence to disprove his story - so much so that a defense attorney has suggested bringing charges against HER.
As I said, it may not be right, but as long as he didnt initiate physical contact he didnt commit any crimes. Its not illegal to watch or follow someone. It IS illegal to assault someone because theyre following you.
Who followed Trayvon??
Who chased him on foot??
Who had a gun???
Who killed Trayvon???
Zimmerman made a number of poor decisions that night and the police on scene would have arrested him had it not been for the police chief. If you think you can shoot an unarmed teenager and not do any time or pay any consequences then you are retarded.
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Who followed Trayvon??
Who chased him on foot??
Who had a gun???
Who killed Trayvon???
Who let the dogs out?
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They will never ever get a 2nd degree murder conviction on him. The media really fucked up on this one.
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Who followed Trayvon??
Who chased him on foot??
Who had a gun???
Who killed Trayvon???
Zimmerman made a number of poor decisions that night and the police on scene would have arrested him had it not been for the police chief. If you think you can shoot an unarmed teenager and not do any time or pay any consequences then you are retarded.
This statement is completely false.
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They will never ever get a 2nd degree murder conviction on him. The media really fucked up on this one.
Won't even go that far....he'll plead for a lesser charge. No attorney would advise him to take this to court.
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Lol@people that keep throwing up the teenager moniker like its something special....would you all feel different if he was 18? Suddenly he's not a minor so it wouldn't matter anymore?
And Vince, as for your dumbass comment about someone not breaking a window out of a car to go after the occupant, I have seen it happen twice, obviously you know jack shit about violent youth. ::)
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Won't even go that far....he'll plead for a lesser charge. No attorney would advise him to take this to court.
Yes they will, cause its not going to go anywhere, the PROSECUTOR admitted to the judge she doenst have enough evidence to prove his story false.
They have to be able to prove, beyond the shadow of a doubt, that he committed 2nd degree murder. Which they cant.
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Won't even go that far....he'll plead for a lesser charge. No attorney would advise him to take this to court.
I think every attorney would advise him to take it to court, unless he's gonna have an all black jury.
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Won't even go that far....he'll plead for a lesser charge. No attorney would advise him to take this to court.
He will take it all the way. It's and open and shut self defense case.
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Imagine the riots.
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Sad that a kid died here. However, Obama al Jesse and the ghetto race pimps poisoned the well so badly that SIMM is going to walk now since the da overcharged the case.
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Who followed Trayvon?? - Not a crime
Who chased him on foot?? - Not a crime
Who had a gun??? - Not a crime, dude has a CWP
Who killed Trayvon??? - A crime ONLY if he physically attacked Trayvon, which there is not enough evidence to prove his story wrong. And since in this country youre innocent until proven guilty, and the prosecution has to prove ABSOLUTLEY that he is guilty of WHAT HE IS CHARGED. Which is 2nd degree murder. No way he gets convicted of that. Even in the worst case scenario he could claim some kind of defense.
Hell the prosecutor admitted she cant prove his story wrong, not enough evidence. Guess what, thats your reasonable doubt right there. This isnt going anywhere and Zimmerman would be an idiot to make a plea bargain.
Youre arguing MORALITY, not LAW. Is what youre accusing him of morally right? Maybe, maybe not. Is it illegal? Hell no.
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Someone please explain "second degree murder"?
I thought that was manslaughter.
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Someone please explain "second degree murder"?
I thought that was manslaughter.
2nd degree requires malice and intent. The DA screwed the ace with this and I hope zimm walks just to stick it in the face of the traitorous shit like. Thugbama Jesse al 240 option fail, Vince, etc.
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2nd degree requires malice and intent. The DA screwed the ace with this and I hope zimm walks just to stick it in the face of the traitorous shit like. Thugbama Jesse al 240 option fail, Vince, etc.
Then what's first degree?
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Then what's first degree?
Pre-meditated
2nd degree is killing with intent and malice, but may not have been pre-planned. Ala seeing someone you hate all alone and shooting cause your mad at something they did.
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Then what's first degree?
Usually pre meditation as well as the offense being committed on a judge, le agent, double homicide, etc.
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Last week, media outlets filed motions to unseal the records concerning the arrest of George Zimmerman in connection with the shooting death of Trayvon Martin. Sooner than later, the public will see what evidence special prosecutor Angela Corey has that warranted the filing of second-degree murder charges.
Absent something new in Corey's file, one of America's best-known lawyers feels the case against Zimmerman is doomed. Harvard law professor Alan Dershowitz believes that the murder charges will be thrown out.
In a recent interview with me, Dershowitz acknowledged the low evidentiary bar necessary at this juncture but still opined that Corey has not met it.
"Most affidavits of probable cause are very thin," Dershowitz said. "This is so thin that it won't make it past the judge on a second-degree murder charge. There is simply nothing in there that would justify second-degree murder. The elements of the crime aren't established ...
"There is nothing in there, of course, either about the stains on the back of Zimmerman's shirt, the blood on the back of his head, the bloody nose, all of that. It's not only thin, it's irresponsible. I think that what you have here is an elected public official who made a campaign speech ... for re-election when she gave her presentation, and overcharged, way overcharged. ...
"If the evidence is no stronger than what appears in the probable-cause affidavit, this case will result in an acquittal."
Nothing offered by the prosecution at last week's bond hearing contradicts what Dershowitz told me. In fact, when investigator Dale Gilbreath, who signed the affidavit, was asked what proof he had that Zimmerman was the instigator, he offered absolutely no evidence.
Corey's two-page "Affidavit of Probable Cause -- Second Degree Murder" says Martin "was profiled by George Zimmerman. Martin was unarmed and was not committing a crime."
The affidavit also says that in his recorded call to police, Zimmerman, "while talking about Martin ... stated 'these a-- , they always get away.'"
And, the affidavit says, when the dispatcher instructed Zimmerman not to pursue Martin, "Zimmerman disregarded the police dispatcher and continued to follow Martin, who was trying to return to his home."
What the affidavit does not reveal is what, specifically, began the physical confrontation. Here is the critical paragraph:
"Zimmerman confronted Martin, and a struggle ensued. Witnesses heard people arguing and what sounded like a struggle. During this time period, witnesses heard numerous calls for help, and some of these were recorded in 911 calls to police. Trayvon Martin's mother has reviewed the 911 calls, identified the voice crying for help as Trayvon Martin's."
Confronted and a struggle ensued? Ensued how? Provoked by whom? And where Zimmerman presumably has told Sanford police that Martin was the initiator, what evidence does the prosecution have to refute him -- with Martin himself silenced? The affidavit does not say.
Commenting on the absence of this information, Dershowitz told me: "But it's worse than that. It's irresponsible and unethical, not including the material that favors the defendant, unless it's not true. But if it's true, as we now have learned from other information, that the grass stains are in back of Zimmerman's shirt, that there were bruises on his head, you must put that in an affidavit. The affidavit has to tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth."
Dershowitz acknowledges that "probable cause is a very minimal standard. It just means if everything you say turns out to be true, have the elements of the crime been satisfied? ... This affidavit doesn't even make it to probable cause. Everything in the affidavit is completely consistent with a defense of self-defense. Everything."
Conventional wisdom holds that a critical pretrial moment will come when the defense argues a motion to dismiss the case on the "stand-your-ground" law (which will render Zimmerman immune from prosecution if by a preponderance of evidence he can show that he "reasonably believed" using deadly force was necessary to prevent death or great bodily harm).
But if Dershowitz is right, the case won't make it that far. The affidavit suggests that Zimmerman was the provocateur with its references to his profiling, slurs and refusal to follow law enforcement advice ("we don't need you to do that"). But even if Zimmerman was the initiator, he will still maintain some right of self-defense.
"So, there is nothing in this affidavit -- and I've read it quite carefully -- that suggests the crime. It suggests the possibility of a crime, but a good judge will throw this out," according to Dershowitz.
When Sanford police initially investigated the case, they referred to it as a potential case of "manslaughter," but then declined to prosecute, at which point Gov. Rick Scott appointed Corey to investigate.
Manslaughter means the outcome was unintended. Murder, with which Corey charged Zimmerman, means he meant to kill Martin and acted with a "depraved mind." Unless the prosecution has an eyewitness to support such a claim, it is difficult to see how it will be sustained. We should soon find out.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2876148/posts
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They practically handed him an aquittal by charging him with 2nd degree murder. Manslaughter they might have pulled off, but not murder. Stupid ass move by a prosecutor thinking she had a slam dunk case based on public opinion, probably thinking this would be her "case of the year" for her career.
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Does "Double Jeopardy" apply if they blow the 2nd degree prosecution?
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Does "Double Jeopardy" apply if they blow the 2nd degree prosecution?
Yup. They said something about that in one of the above articles - if they botch this, he can never be brought up on charges for it again.
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What a silly move.
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What a silly move.
Completely retarded on the prosecution's part - a huge break for Zimmerman.
I dont really know how to feel on the subject. If the prosecution comes out with some crazy unheard of evidence that he's guilty, than I hope he goes away.
But from all the evidence thats come out, the prosecution admitting they cant prove him wrong,... I think he can, and should walk.
At this point I feel like this was turned into a witch hunt for ratings and it seems that while the guy probably shouldnt have followed the dude, they HAVE had a string of serious crimes and break-ins in the neighborhood and the cops had never shown up in time or caught anyone, and they just kept happening.
If the cops dont do their job, this kind of shit is bound to happen.
And since their isnt enough evidence to prove that he was lieing or that he was guilty, I hope the dude walks. Unless, like I said, some crazy evidence is brought out proving his guilt.
The worst will be if they have no evidence but he gets put away for murder anyway, but no one can see that happening short of Goodrum.
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Hell the prosecutor admitted she cant prove his story wrong, not enough evidence. Guess what, thats your reasonable doubt right there. This isnt going anywhere and Zimmerman would be an idiot to make a plea bargain.
Youre arguing MORALITY, not LAW. Is what youre accusing him of morally right? Maybe, maybe not. Is it illegal? Hell no.
There's not enough evidence because the only witness is dead....but this is not going to be another Casey Anthony trial. All of which doesn't matter because I can pretty much garrantee that he will plead to a lesser charge.
He's not going to roll the dice
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because I can pretty much garrantee
This is not a spelling contest!
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Trial of George Zimmerman Could Trigger Another Rodney King
The Daily Beast ^ | April 18, 2012 | Mansfield Frazier
Posted on April 18, 2012 2:27:43 AM EDT by 2ndDivisionVet
Trayvon Martin’s shooter has a new lawyer. Mansfield Frazier hopes he’s advising his client to take a plea, since a protracted murder trial is the last thing we need.
As George Zimmerman faces murder charges for shooting Trayvon Martin, it’s worth asking if America is in danger of facing Rodney King, Part II?
That’s what I see down the tracks: If this case goes all the way to trial, it’s a train wreck waiting to happen. The time is now for strong hands to take the helm and steady the ship of state—not to mention our national racial, political and legal discourse. The paramount concern has to be to avert a large-scale racial calamity.
As Touré recently wrote, if sane adults are not careful, deliberate and measured in the handling of the Trayvon Martin-George Zimmerman affair, a dark time could descend upon America.
Look what’s already festering on the streets of Sanford, Florida. On the one hand we’ve got the three stooges of the New Black Panther Party running around Sanford, spouting off crazy ideas and becoming a total embarrassment to more thoughtful and reasoning blacks who simply want justice. On the other we’ve got the equally clownish neo-Nazis, goose-stepping around on their self-appointed mission to protect the white race. In this environment it wouldn’t take much to ignite the racial power keg we’re sitting on. One false or ill-conceived move in this case could allow the loony inmates—not Zimmerman’s current neighbors, but those who are imprisoned by their long-simmering racial hatreds—to fan the incendiary flames of bigotry into full-blown conflagrations of violence across the land.
As someone who watched the King riots unfold from a Los Angeles motel window (and sometimes from the balcony, when we weren’t too afraid to venture out), I’m here to tell you it was a nightmarish time. Thick, acrid black smoke from hundreds of fires hung over the L.A. basin for days as young, armed blacks and Hispanics roared around in open convertibles and jeeps, wearing bandannas and brandishing all sorts of weaponry. We could hear gunfire both in the distance and nearby. Stores that hadn’t been set on fire the first day were looted by the second, and by the third day TV stations were warning of an impending food shortage. A body lay in the gutter on Crenshaw Boulevard for the better part of two days before National Guard troops removed it.
We don’t want to go back there. Fortunately Zimmerman’s new attorney, Mark O’Mara, appears to comprehend the broader implications and potential danger of the situation, and seems well qualified to negotiate a fair outcome for his client, and indeed for the rest of us. He has the calm demeanor of a law professor, and speaks in measured, but not calculating, terms. His first comments seemed designed not to convince anyone of his client’s innocence, but rather to take the heated rhetoric down a few notches. He cautioned that everyone should allow the justice system to work.
So what would a fair outcome look like? To my mind, the government offers Zimmerman a plea deal that has him back on the street within this decade, and he accepts it quietly. That seems like a conclusion most reasonable Americans could live with. Of course, no matter how long or short any sentence may be, there will be those who disagree, some vehemently.
If O’Mara were successful in brokering such a resolution, he should be viewed as nothing less than a savior. A protracted murder trial of George Zimmerman is the last thing this country needs right now. America can only dodge so many racial bullets, and a not-guilty verdict in this case could very easily turn the racial cold war into a very hot one.
Of course, for such a plea scenario to work, Zimmerman will need to listen more to O’Mara than to any of the other voices clamoring for a piece of him. He’s in isolation right now, presumably for his own safety, but a side benefit is that it keeps the more rabid right-wingers from getting inside his head and convincing him to take the case to trial, based on the belief that no matter what the evidence shows, in Florida at least one juror will never vote to convict. Unfortunately, this reasoning is not crazy. The South, after all, is still the South.
But after a few weeks of isolation and the counsel of O’Mara, Zimmerman may decide going to trial isn’t in his best interest. If O’Mara is as savvy as he seems, he will probably inform his client of the stark legal facts: The state overcharged him with murder 2 for two reasons: it’s a bargaining chip to force him to accept a lesser charge, and a means to keep him locked up pretrial. The way the legal system is designed, it’s difficult for someone being held in custody to win acquittal. Even if he went to trial and managed to get a hung jury, the state would surely retry him (multiple times, if necessary), until they get a conviction or he’s spent more time in the county lockup than he would have spent in prison if he’d just pleaded guilty in the first place. And even if he were acquitted, let’s not forget the specter of a federal indictment being handed down.
In all of this, the upcoming bail hearing is key: If the judge doesn’t grant bail, Zimmerman had better start listening real intently to his lawyer.
The wild card is his father, Robert, who has so far sounded like a knee-jerk far-right ideologue. In an interview he said, "I never foresaw so much hate coming from the president, the Congressional Black Caucus, the NAACP," and this was before Obama said anything about the case! It will be virtually impossible to keep Robert Zimmerman away from his son, which means he’ll have ample opportunity to whisper Stand Your Ground rhetoric into his ear, possibly ginning up Zimmerman’s courage and convincing him to go to trial in spite of the danger of being convicted.
We all need to pray that Mark O’Mara is successful in bringing about a fair outcome for his client, for justice, and, more important, for America.
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Trial of George Zimmerman Could Trigger Another Rodney King
The Daily Beast ^ | April 18, 2012 | Mansfield Frazier
Posted on April 18, 2012 2:27:43 AM EDT by 2ndDivisionVet
Trayvon Martin’s shooter has a new lawyer. Mansfield Frazier hopes he’s advising his client to take a plea, since a protracted murder trial is the last thing we need.
As George Zimmerman faces murder charges for shooting Trayvon Martin, it’s worth asking if America is in danger of facing Rodney King, Part II?
That’s what I see down the tracks: If this case goes all the way to trial, it’s a train wreck waiting to happen. The time is now for strong hands to take the helm and steady the ship of state—not to mention our national racial, political and legal discourse. The paramount concern has to be to avert a large-scale racial calamity.
As Touré recently wrote, if sane adults are not careful, deliberate and measured in the handling of the Trayvon Martin-George Zimmerman affair, a dark time could descend upon America.
Look what’s already festering on the streets of Sanford, Florida. On the one hand we’ve got the three stooges of the New Black Panther Party running around Sanford, spouting off crazy ideas and becoming a total embarrassment to more thoughtful and reasoning blacks who simply want justice. On the other we’ve got the equally clownish neo-Nazis, goose-stepping around on their self-appointed mission to protect the white race. In this environment it wouldn’t take much to ignite the racial power keg we’re sitting on. One false or ill-conceived move in this case could allow the loony inmates—not Zimmerman’s current neighbors, but those who are imprisoned by their long-simmering racial hatreds—to fan the incendiary flames of bigotry into full-blown conflagrations of violence across the land.
As someone who watched the King riots unfold from a Los Angeles motel window (and sometimes from the balcony, when we weren’t too afraid to venture out), I’m here to tell you it was a nightmarish time. Thick, acrid black smoke from hundreds of fires hung over the L.A. basin for days as young, armed blacks and Hispanics roared around in open convertibles and jeeps, wearing bandannas and brandishing all sorts of weaponry. We could hear gunfire both in the distance and nearby. Stores that hadn’t been set on fire the first day were looted by the second, and by the third day TV stations were warning of an impending food shortage. A body lay in the gutter on Crenshaw Boulevard for the better part of two days before National Guard troops removed it.
We don’t want to go back there. Fortunately Zimmerman’s new attorney, Mark O’Mara, appears to comprehend the broader implications and potential danger of the situation, and seems well qualified to negotiate a fair outcome for his client, and indeed for the rest of us. He has the calm demeanor of a law professor, and speaks in measured, but not calculating, terms. His first comments seemed designed not to convince anyone of his client’s innocence, but rather to take the heated rhetoric down a few notches. He cautioned that everyone should allow the justice system to work.
So what would a fair outcome look like? To my mind, the government offers Zimmerman a plea deal that has him back on the street within this decade, and he accepts it quietly. That seems like a conclusion most reasonable Americans could live with. Of course, no matter how long or short any sentence may be, there will be those who disagree, some vehemently.
If O’Mara were successful in brokering such a resolution, he should be viewed as nothing less than a savior. A protracted murder trial of George Zimmerman is the last thing this country needs right now. America can only dodge so many racial bullets, and a not-guilty verdict in this case could very easily turn the racial cold war into a very hot one.
Of course, for such a plea scenario to work, Zimmerman will need to listen more to O’Mara than to any of the other voices clamoring for a piece of him. He’s in isolation right now, presumably for his own safety, but a side benefit is that it keeps the more rabid right-wingers from getting inside his head and convincing him to take the case to trial, based on the belief that no matter what the evidence shows, in Florida at least one juror will never vote to convict. Unfortunately, this reasoning is not crazy. The South, after all, is still the South.
But after a few weeks of isolation and the counsel of O’Mara, Zimmerman may decide going to trial isn’t in his best interest. If O’Mara is as savvy as he seems, he will probably inform his client of the stark legal facts: The state overcharged him with murder 2 for two reasons: it’s a bargaining chip to force him to accept a lesser charge, and a means to keep him locked up pretrial. The way the legal system is designed, it’s difficult for someone being held in custody to win acquittal. Even if he went to trial and managed to get a hung jury, the state would surely retry him (multiple times, if necessary), until they get a conviction or he’s spent more time in the county lockup than he would have spent in prison if he’d just pleaded guilty in the first place. And even if he were acquitted, let’s not forget the specter of a federal indictment being handed down.
In all of this, the upcoming bail hearing is key: If the judge doesn’t grant bail, Zimmerman had better start listening real intently to his lawyer.
The wild card is his father, Robert, who has so far sounded like a knee-jerk far-right ideologue. In an interview he said, "I never foresaw so much hate coming from the president, the Congressional Black Caucus, the NAACP," and this was before Obama said anything about the case! It will be virtually impossible to keep Robert Zimmerman away from his son, which means he’ll have ample opportunity to whisper Stand Your Ground rhetoric into his ear, possibly ginning up Zimmerman’s courage and convincing him to go to trial in spite of the danger of being convicted.
We all need to pray that Mark O’Mara is successful in bringing about a fair outcome for his client, for justice, and, more important, for America.
There won't be no fucking riot.....there was a video that show the officers clearly beating the shit out of Rodney King and they were still found not guilty despite the clear and obvious evidence. This is hardly the same
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There won't be no fucking riot.
Bet your account on it?
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Bet your account on it?
Sure...will you bet yours???
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Yes.
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zimmerman for. National Nabe Watch Czar!
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Trial of George Zimmerman Could Trigger Another Rodney King
The Daily Beast ^ | April 18, 2012 | Mansfield Frazier
Posted on April 18, 2012 2:27:43 AM EDT by 2ndDivisionVet
Trayvon Martin’s shooter has a new lawyer. Mansfield Frazier hopes he’s advising his client to take a plea, since a protracted murder trial is the last thing we need.
As George Zimmerman faces murder charges for shooting Trayvon Martin, it’s worth asking if America is in danger of facing Rodney King, Part II?
That’s what I see down the tracks: If this case goes all the way to trial, it’s a train wreck waiting to happen. The time is now for strong hands to take the helm and steady the ship of state—not to mention our national racial, political and legal discourse. The paramount concern has to be to avert a large-scale racial calamity.
As Touré recently wrote, if sane adults are not careful, deliberate and measured in the handling of the Trayvon Martin-George Zimmerman affair, a dark time could descend upon America.
Look what’s already festering on the streets of Sanford, Florida. On the one hand we’ve got the three stooges of the New Black Panther Party running around Sanford, spouting off crazy ideas and becoming a total embarrassment to more thoughtful and reasoning blacks who simply want justice. On the other we’ve got the equally clownish neo-Nazis, goose-stepping around on their self-appointed mission to protect the white race. In this environment it wouldn’t take much to ignite the racial power keg we’re sitting on. One false or ill-conceived move in this case could allow the loony inmates—not Zimmerman’s current neighbors, but those who are imprisoned by their long-simmering racial hatreds—to fan the incendiary flames of bigotry into full-blown conflagrations of violence across the land.
As someone who watched the King riots unfold from a Los Angeles motel window (and sometimes from the balcony, when we weren’t too afraid to venture out), I’m here to tell you it was a nightmarish time. Thick, acrid black smoke from hundreds of fires hung over the L.A. basin for days as young, armed blacks and Hispanics roared around in open convertibles and jeeps, wearing bandannas and brandishing all sorts of weaponry. We could hear gunfire both in the distance and nearby. Stores that hadn’t been set on fire the first day were looted by the second, and by the third day TV stations were warning of an impending food shortage. A body lay in the gutter on Crenshaw Boulevard for the better part of two days before National Guard troops removed it.
We don’t want to go back there. Fortunately Zimmerman’s new attorney, Mark O’Mara, appears to comprehend the broader implications and potential danger of the situation, and seems well qualified to negotiate a fair outcome for his client, and indeed for the rest of us. He has the calm demeanor of a law professor, and speaks in measured, but not calculating, terms. His first comments seemed designed not to convince anyone of his client’s innocence, but rather to take the heated rhetoric down a few notches. He cautioned that everyone should allow the justice system to work.
So what would a fair outcome look like? To my mind, the government offers Zimmerman a plea deal that has him back on the street within this decade, and he accepts it quietly. That seems like a conclusion most reasonable Americans could live with. Of course, no matter how long or short any sentence may be, there will be those who disagree, some vehemently.
If O’Mara were successful in brokering such a resolution, he should be viewed as nothing less than a savior. A protracted murder trial of George Zimmerman is the last thing this country needs right now. America can only dodge so many racial bullets, and a not-guilty verdict in this case could very easily turn the racial cold war into a very hot one.
Of course, for such a plea scenario to work, Zimmerman will need to listen more to O’Mara than to any of the other voices clamoring for a piece of him. He’s in isolation right now, presumably for his own safety, but a side benefit is that it keeps the more rabid right-wingers from getting inside his head and convincing him to take the case to trial, based on the belief that no matter what the evidence shows, in Florida at least one juror will never vote to convict. Unfortunately, this reasoning is not crazy. The South, after all, is still the South.
But after a few weeks of isolation and the counsel of O’Mara, Zimmerman may decide going to trial isn’t in his best interest. If O’Mara is as savvy as he seems, he will probably inform his client of the stark legal facts: The state overcharged him with murder 2 for two reasons: it’s a bargaining chip to force him to accept a lesser charge, and a means to keep him locked up pretrial. The way the legal system is designed, it’s difficult for someone being held in custody to win acquittal. Even if he went to trial and managed to get a hung jury, the state would surely retry him (multiple times, if necessary), until they get a conviction or he’s spent more time in the county lockup than he would have spent in prison if he’d just pleaded guilty in the first place. And even if he were acquitted, let’s not forget the specter of a federal indictment being handed down.
In all of this, the upcoming bail hearing is key: If the judge doesn’t grant bail, Zimmerman had better start listening real intently to his lawyer.
The wild card is his father, Robert, who has so far sounded like a knee-jerk far-right ideologue. In an interview he said, "I never foresaw so much hate coming from the president, the Congressional Black Caucus, the NAACP," and this was before Obama said anything about the case! It will be virtually impossible to keep Robert Zimmerman away from his son, which means he’ll have ample opportunity to whisper Stand Your Ground rhetoric into his ear, possibly ginning up Zimmerman’s courage and convincing him to go to trial in spite of the danger of being convicted.
We all need to pray that Mark O’Mara is successful in bringing about a fair outcome for his client, for justice, and, more important, for America.
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