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Any particular circumstances?
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Any particular circumstances?
Yes, tons.
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Yes, tons.
Elaborate. I have been a member of 2 different gyms that have failed and have seen a ton go the way of the dinosaur. Is the equipment too expensive and the rent too high usually?
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They are operated by The Coach ;D
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they fail dude to locking Memebers to long term contract , Not being strict with members about keeping gym room floor clean and re-racking dumbells
these are 2 reason why i cancel my gym memberships with gyms and never return back to them
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Yes, tons.
You offering happy endings to keep things afloat coach?
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they fail dude to locking Memebers to long term contract , Not being strict with members about keeping gym room floor clean and racking and re racking dumbells
these are 2 reason why i cancel my gym memberships with gyms and never return back to them
Every gym I have ever been to, I might pay for the first year up front in cash (I would NEVER EVER sign a contract) then I find that they forget and I just continue to to go for years and nobody ever says anything as I become real friendly with the workers and owners. I think the last time I paid for a Full membership (in cash) was in 2000.
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Any particular circumstances?
that's kind of a broad question......besides places like anytime and gold's are doing pretty well
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that's kind of a broad question......besides places like anytime and gold's are doing pretty well
Golds was one of the ones I went to that was shut down. :-\
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Golds was one of the ones I went to that was shut down. :-\
ah....might be a regional thing i guess. i live in a college town so pretty much every gym is packed
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Golds was one of the ones I went to that was shut down. :-\
a golds gym in Hawthorne,ca. that was built maybe 8 years ago, shut down this month
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Elaborate. I have been a member of 2 different gyms that have failed and have seen a ton go the way of the dinosaur. Is the equipment too expensive and the rent too high usually?
I did a shit load of research before I decided to do this but from almost everything I've read it comes down to too much in overhead and too much debt. Most start out with a big space but instead of starting small and growing out of what they have they start with too much and struggle to grow into it. That's only part of it. We have a small space, I owe nothing on equipment and overhead is low.
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My gym has been open since the early 60's
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a golds gym in Hawthorne,ca. that was built maybe 8 years ago, shut down this month
one thing i never liked about gold's is all the nickle and diming they do. they advertise $9.99 a month no contract but they don't tell you the down is like $200. i've gotten them to drop the down before but they still charge a $60 "maintenance fee" every year.
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Golds was one of the ones I went to that was shut down. :-\
Golds, 24hr, la fitness and places like that are struggling. Just because they're busy doesn't mean they are not struggling.
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Every gym I have ever been to, I might pay for the first year up front in cash (I would NEVER EVER sign a contract) then I find that they forget and I just continue to to go for years and nobody ever says anything as I become real friendly with the workers and owners. I think the last time I paid for a Full membership (in cash) was in 2000.
I think you just answered your own question.
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Also lifting has become so popular many schools,churches,community colleges , town rec centers ,apartment complexes have good gyms thus taking away buisness. Even mma training and boxing centers
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one thing i never liked about gold's is all the nickle and diming they do. they advertise $9.99 a month no contract but they don't tell you the down is like $200. i've gotten them to drop the down before but they still charge a $60 "maintenance fee" every year.
I have to say it's not your fault...they advertise it ( which is stupid IMO).but do you really expect to pay 10 dollars a month to go to a good gym?
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I have a friend I went to college with who opened up his own gym similar to what Coach has and he is doing EXTREMELY WELL. Its funny, he never lifted before either and then got into it and now he and his brother are running a top notch facility that trains a lot of athletes.
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Also lifting has become so popular many schools,churches,community colleges , town rec centers ,apartment complexes have good gyms thus taking away buisness. Even mma training and boxing centers
i think the whole crossfit fad might have something to do with it, they've gotten national recognition and even companies like nike are endorsing them.
im feel like 90% of most gyms' clients are weekend warriors and soccer moms that are likely to drop whatever they're doing whenever the next fitness fad comes along.
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Here is my friends gym.
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oh man look at all those balls :P
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id imagine that if you financed the gym with a loan, weights, machines, treadmills, locker rooms, a front desk..... ect.. your going to have pretty high monthly payments.. plus operation costs... im thinking your going to need 1000+ gym members to cover all that..
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id imagine that if you financed the gym with a loan, weights, machines, treadmills, locker rooms, a front desk..... ect.. your going to have pretty high monthly payments.. plus operation costs... im thinking your going to need 1000+ gym members to cover all that..
hey tb, are you still doing that peptide thing? i think i sent you a pm but you never responded.....
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5 months ago , Ballys went out of business and bought off by LA FITNESS, i was paying $8 a month (been with ballys for about 10yrs) and LA FITNESS told me once my year that i paid up to was up, i would have to sign a new LA FITNESS contract that start at about $30 a month, so i said fuck it, ill go somewhere else, Bally had shitty gyms for along time but at $8 a month i couldnt complain...
i went over to the new 24hour fitness in burbank, ca. ..... saw online it was about $28 a month (my GF has a membership there pays $50 a month) if your added on to a friend or family account, so i go in there, and ask them for the special, this COCK SUCKER employee at 24hour starts off with, well thats a deal for 24hours "SPORT" this is a SUPER SPORT ??? ??? , then he starts on with, their is a 24hour, 24HOUR SPORT, and 24HOUR SUPER SPORT....... i asked him nicely WHATS THE FUCKING DIFFERENCE?
"SUPER SPORT HAS TV's AND FREE WORKOUT TOWELS" ::) ::)
I was like yea dude, thats why i come to the gym cus i cant afford TV OR TOWELS at home but i can afford $50 a month to borrow yours...... When i told him i was signing up to Burbank Athletic club instead for $10 a month, fucker got offended and walked away.... company twat homo
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id imagine that if you financed the gym with a loan, weights, machines, treadmills, locker rooms, a front desk..... ect.. your going to have pretty high monthly payments.. plus operation costs... im thinking your going to need 1000+ gym members to cover all that..
My friend whose gym I just posted, paid for all of that with cash and a lot of the equipment came off of Craigslist believe it or not. I think around 50 grand total only went into all of that including the building. Its funny, he didn`t even bother going to the gym until just a few years ago. Then he got really into it and then opened up his gym within just 2 years or so after going to the gym.
He trains a lot of college athletes at his facility and holds competitions all the time.
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Does your friend do alot of organized group sessions overseen by a trainer?
I have seen this trend the last several years, guys open up training facilities and do lots of training in groups.
It's a different concept from what most us are used to. You get the people to pay not just for the gym but also for the trainer at the same time.
It's a very efficient and profitable way to train people, but you also have to have a clientele that is open to that concept.
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5 months ago , Ballys went out of business and bought off by LA FITNESS, i was paying $8 a month (been with ballys for about 10yrs) and LA FITNESS told me once my year that i paid up to was up, i would have to sign a new LA FITNESS contract that start at about $30 a month, so i said fuck it, ill go somewhere else, Bally had shitty gyms for along time but at $8 a month i couldnt complain...
i went over to the new 24hour fitness in burbank, ca. ..... saw online it was about $28 a month (my GF has a membership there pays $50 a month) if your added on to a friend or family account, so i go in there, and ask them for the special, this COCK SUCKER employee at 24hour starts off with, well thats a deal for 24hours "SPORT" this is a SUPER SPORT ??? ??? , then he starts on with, their is a 24hour, 24HOUR SPORT, and 24HOUR SUPER SPORT....... i asked him nicely WHATS THE FUCKING DIFFERENCE?
"SUPER SPORT HAS TV's AND FREE WORKOUT TOWELS" ::) ::)
I was like yea dude, thats why i come to the gym cus i cant afford TV OR TOWELS at home but i can afford $50 a month to borrow yours...... When i told him i was signing up to Burbank Athletic club instead for $10 a month, fucker got offended and walked away.... company twat homo
All the way angry dude.
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All the way angry dude.
;D
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Every gym I have ever been to, I might pay for the first year up front in cash (I would NEVER EVER sign a contract) then I find that they forget and I just continue to to go for years and nobody ever says anything as I become real friendly with the workers and owners. I think the last time I paid for a Full membership (in cash) was in 2000.
You and Jezabelle can train in my gym (for free) anytime you want stud.
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You and Jezabelle can train in my gym (for free) anytime you want stud.
i saw your post of your gym a while back, fucking shit was a palace , it was like a gym mall resort
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Does your friend do alot of organized group sessions overseen by a trainer?
I have seen this trend the last several years, guys open up training facilities and do lots of training in groups.
It's a different concept from what most us are used to. You get the people to pay not just for the gym but also for the trainer at the same time.
It's a very efficient and profitable way to train people, but you also have to have a clientele that is open to that concept.
I think he may do some of that with some of the football stuff. He will get a Pro Football player to come for the weekend and hold a session with groups or a Professional Powerlifter etc..., but I think his bread and butter is simply training people with a no bullshit style and has women and men doing the same stuff, all heavy and hard training. He is doing extremely well considering he is relatively new at this.
Coach, I think you would do extremely well branching out and coming around to these parts opening up a facility.
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Gyms are failing because people are broke and the gyms can't get any money out of your accounts anymore.. We're lucky to keep a member more than a few months and that's with a signed contract.. Most accounts will end up in collections.. Then you have your over-weight people that give up after a month.. That doesn't help..
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i saw your post of your gym a while back, fucking shit was a palace , it was like a gym mall resort
This ???
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better off taking 50,000 bucks and buying a foreclosed house for 45g's spend 5 grand on repairs. collect that rent
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better off taking 50,000 bucks and buying a foreclosed house for 45g's spend 5 grand on repairs. collect that rent
Maybe you and I should go in on some rentals together.
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Gyms are failing because people are broke and the gyms can't get any money out of your accounts anymore.. We're lucky to keep a member more than a few months and that's with a signed contract.. Most accounts will end up in collections.. Then you have your over-weight people that give up after a month.. That doesn't help..
and why are you trying to lock fat people into contracts ?
because you know its easy money, and then you drain their bank accounts and send them to collections, thats your bread and butter money maker right there.
these fat shits go to your gym maybe 5 -20 total hours in 3 years, and you think its right for you to charge them $1,400????
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dealing with tons of members is close to dealing with too many tenants, there will always be complainers and whiners calling you,
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Maybe you and I should go in on some rentals together.
yeah im getting more knowledgeable, starting to get some plumbing knowledge, if i dont know what part i need i just take it to the plumber part store and they tell me what i need and what tool, of course this requires me to research on the net first some
carpentry laying floors i can do it all. actually got a couple guys that put in a new kitchen vinly floor with a thin sheet of sub floor (if thats all it needs) for only 2-300 in labor wich aint bad
some floors i can just pop up the shoe molding and put a new lenolium sheet over it and be done in one day. I like those floors :)
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and why are you trying to lock fat people into contracts ?
because you know its easy money, and then you drain their bank accounts and send them to collections, thats your bread and butter money maker right there.
I look at it as helping them out.. Force them to live longer and more healthy.. But really, most gyms would not survive without contracts.. They don't have to sign it.. We don't force them..
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yeah im getting more knowledgeable, starting to get some plumbing knowledge, if i dont know what part i need i just take it to the plumber part store and they tell me what i need and what tool, of course this requires me to research on the net first some
carpentry laying floors i can do it all. actually got a couple guys that put in a new kitchen vinly floor with a thin sheet of sub floor (if thats all it needs) for only 2-300 in labor wich aint bad
some floors i can just pop up the shoe molding and put a new lenolium sheet over it and be done in one day. I like those floors :)
Yeah I am good for these type of things as well, and I take my time and use the correct materials to make sure its all done right.
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Maybe you and I should go in on some rentals together.
i honestly dont need to make any more money but the thought of making more money is entertaining in a way that i would want to do something good with it, thats the part i havent figured out yet. Maybe some sort of new technology to benefit mankind down the road
but yeah property managment is best buisness. capital gains taxes go to 30 percent i beleive next year, so if people are gonna be selling its gonna be this year *if they are smart* or they will just hold steady on there properties.
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Yeah I am good for these type of things as well, and I take my time and use the correct materials to make sure its all done right.
never trust anyone laying in the floor, so you must over see how its done, its best to be there like painting walls while someone is working on a floor, slight mistakes like not properly butting up or mis cutting of subfloor where there is too much gap could be devestating after the floor is laid because it could puncture through and tear.
also is especially important around the peremeter and the gaps to where water can seap through if not properly cauked up
laying the floor must be done with love not haste. its real easy to be carless and have a little small wood chip on the sub floor and then you put the lenolium on top only to have that little wood chip puncture through :D >:(
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no matter how much money you make at this life you cant stop moving and sit on it , something better has to be invested with it . otherwise its just not healthy
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these fat shits go to your gym maybe 5 -20 total hours in 3 years, and you think its right for you to charge them $1,400????
Here's a good way to put it.. If you rent a house and you are never there, do you pay less rent?
It's there and they can use it anytime they want..
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Almost all the Golds here in South Florida have been bought out and turned into Zoo Gyms where the membership is $99 per year or $10 per month.
I can't figure out how they are making enough to stay in business that way. The Golds in Ft Lauderdale that I used to go to was an awesome gym. But then the dickhead took out every single piece of equipment and replaced it all with the shitty HOIST and ROCKIT line that is not worth wiping your ass on. They even fucked up the smith machine by getting the kind where the bar moves at a 10 degree angle instead up just up and down. The dumb bells were replaced with ones that had the "fat" type grip designed to make it harder to grip and thus increase your grip strength when using them.
People left there faster than you could believe. 3 months later it was basically empty.
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They go out because...
Too high of overhead
Too high rent
leasing or financing equipment
wasting money on expensive cardio equipment and machines (the model of most commercial gyms)
PEOPLE NOT GETTING RESULTS, people go into a gym because they want to get into some kind of shape but when they don't know where to start they lose interest. Thats why as shitty as crossfit is, thats also the reason why they get results.
They days of the typical commercial box-type gyms are coming to an end. It's the ones like Adam posted are the ones that will be taking over.
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only successful gym owner i know sells steroids. gym provides steady clientale.
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They go out because...
Too high of overhead
Too high rent
leasing or financing equipment
wasting money on expensive cardio equipment and machines (the model of most commercial gyms)
PEOPLE NOT GETTING RESULTS, people go into a gym because they want to get into some kind of shape but when they don't know where to start they lose interest. Thats why as shitty as crossfit is, thats also the reason why they get results.
They days of the typical commercial box-type gyms are coming to an end. It's the ones like Adam posted are the ones that will be taking over.
Bingo. Simple, small, and somewhat specialized is the way to go right now.
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Look out big commercial gyms, PT studios are going to take over!!! LOL
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Here's a good way to put it.. If you rent a house and you are never there, do you pay less rent?
It's there and they can use it anytime they want..
Most rentals are 6 months or a year, not 3 years...
And most people don't rent a place and have to share it with shitty gym members and lazy gym owners/workers that can't maintain a clean and maintain dumbell rack.
Not sure what gym you work at /0r own, but you lose alot of members from the initial shaft they get when they sign up experience , instead of offering them a 3 month membership to see if they like it, you stick it to them for 3 years...
Either way ... I'm past the contract phase, there is always other options and gyms to go around
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Most rentals are 6 months or a year, not 3 years...
And most people don't rent a place and have to share it with shitty gym members and lazy gym owners/workers that can't maintain a clean and maintain dumbell rack.
Not sure what gym you work at /0r own, but you lose alot of members from the initial shaft they get when they sign up experience , instead of offering them a 3 month membership to see if they like it, you stick it to them for 3 years...
Either way ... I'm past the contract phase, there is always other options and gyms to go around
Never had a 3 year contract at my gym..(I own a Powerhouse Gym) We have 10 month contracts with a free first month or 1 year paid in full.. And we keep the gym like new and clean.. Our monthy dues are as low as 10 bucks per month.. or paid in full as low as 99 per year..
But I see your point if you are talking about 3 year contracts.. I'd never sign that..
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They go out because...
Too high of overhead
Too high rent
leasing or financing equipment
wasting money on expensive cardio equipment and machines (the model of most commercial gyms)
PEOPLE NOT GETTING RESULTS, people go into a gym because they want to get into some kind of shape but when they don't know where to start they lose interest. Thats why as shitty as crossfit is, thats also the reason why they get results.
They days of the typical commercial box-type gyms are coming to an end. It's the ones like Adam posted are the ones that will be taking over.
QFT
Most people buy first and plan later when it comes to gyms and practically take out a loan on everything . By the time its open, you're so far in the hole that you can never climb out.
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My planet fitness is only $10 down and $10 a month. No contract.
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They go out because...
Too high of overhead
Too high rent
leasing or financing equipment
wasting money on expensive cardio equipment and machines (the model of most commercial gyms)
PEOPLE NOT GETTING RESULTS, people go into a gym because they want to get into some kind of shape but when they don't know where to start they lose interest. Thats why as shitty as crossfit is, thats also the reason why they get results.
They days of the typical commercial box-type gyms are coming to an end. It's the ones like Adam posted are the ones that will be taking over.
This, plus people will rob u blind. Members and guys that work for u that called themselves your firends. You have to be there all the time to over see it yourself to make it work.
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I have a friend I went to college with who opened up his own gym similar to what Coach has and he is doing EXTREMELY WELL. Its funny, he never lifted before either and then got into it and now he and his brother are running a top notch facility that trains a lot of athletes.
Ya I don't see it being rocket science. Once you get the equipment payed off, what is there for overhead? Myself personally, I would live in the freakin place and work as many of the hrs as poss to save from hiring people. The gym I have been going to for about 15yrs closed out of nowhere last year and I just didn't get it. I figured they must have owned everything but it turns out, all the equipment was leased.
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Look out big commercial gyms, PT studios are going to take over!!! LOL
They my not take over but they will cripple them a little. Some people are willing to pay more for results. A good personal training studio or smaller.strength facility has a MUCH higher profit margin then that of a commercial gym. 24hr fitness has filed bk 3 times in the last 6 years just as an example.
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Every gym I have ever been to, I might pay for the first year up front in cash (I would NEVER EVER sign a contract) then I find that they forget and I just continue to to go for years and nobody ever says anything as I become real friendly with the workers and owners. I think the last time I paid for a Full membership (in cash) was in 2000.
My guess is a surplus of freeloading jews such as yourself might be part of it.
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and what about more and more people train at home with decent enough equipment and get all the usefull infos from the internet...
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Every gym I have ever been to, I might pay for the first year up front in cash (I would NEVER EVER sign a contract) then I find that they forget and I just continue to to go for years and nobody ever says anything as I become real friendly with the workers and owners. I think the last time I paid for a Full membership (in cash) was in 2000.
Nice admitting that you are basically a crook.
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and what about more and more people train at home with decent enough equipment and get all the usefull infos from the internet...
The problem with that is, even though they have the equipment they still need to learn a program to use it unless they call in a pt to show them.
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I have belonged to the same gym for the past 30 years. I am still paying the same annual membership dues I paid when I started because I renew it every year before it expires. They aren't making much money off longtime members like me. Even for new members, the least expensive rate is the annual rate that you pay once a year. Those who pay monthly, pay much more. Members are required to scan their membership card at the front desk upon entering.
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this thread needs Onlyme ... RIP
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oh man look at all those balls :P
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The 24's and LA fitnesses that fill the middle niche of gyms all seem to be closing here - and being replaced with Lifestyle Centres like Equinox, where you pay $250 a month to pretend to exercise in the same space as D list celebs and other absolute cu nts like yourself.
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The 24's and LA fitnesses that fill the middle niche of gyms all seem to be closing here - and being replaced with Lifestyle Centres like Equinox, where you pay $250 a month to pretend to exercise in the same space as D list celebs and other absolute cu nts like yourself.
NICE
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only successful gym owner i know sells steroids. gym provides steady clientale.
Bingo. The one's that make money also sell steroids.
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Jezus TA, just straight up plug your friend's gym, no need to beat around the bush.
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yeah im getting more knowledgeable, starting to get some plumbing knowledge, if i dont know what part i need i just take it to the plumber part store and they tell me what i need and what tool, of course this requires me to research on the net first some
carpentry laying floors i can do it all. actually got a couple guys that put in a new kitchen vinly floor with a thin sheet of sub floor (if thats all it needs) for only 2-300 in labor wich aint bad
some floors i can just pop up the shoe molding and put a new lenolium sheet over it and be done in one day. I like those floors :)
I`m installing a Temperature/Pressure Relief Valve on one of my water heaters today. We have three 50 gallon Water Heaters and I noticed a slow drip around the edges of one the the Temperature/Pressure Relief Valves. Its almost criminal what a plumber would charge for an eight dollar part and some teflon tape that takes 3 minutes to change out. I bet they convince people to replace whole system because of the TPR Valve which can go bad in less than a year at times on new Water Heaters even.
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Elaborate. I have been a member of 2 different gyms that have failed and have seen a ton go the way of the dinosaur. Is the equipment too expensive and the rent too high usually?
I would say this. Money in has to be more than money out. Kind of like a diet, except the opposite.
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TA - what do you mean by 'gym'?
Where I am, the "Lifestyle centre" type places are going from strength to strength. I have nothing against these places - I see lots of people going to them and improving themselves - their fitness, their flexibility, nutritional knowledge through the courses offered etc etc.
The type of gym I want to train at - which is more than likely the place where most of us train - is not so healthy. I've had 2 really 'good' (for my wants) gyms close on me - mainly because the guys running them were keen trainers/competitors, but not in any way business men.
The big chains and fitness centre places - you can see how they're set up to make money. My gym - with it's cracked mirror and 6pm meat head crush is run by the nicest guy you'd imagine - but he thinks he's making a killing offering Powerade for 30% more than the supermarket.
I think this is big part of the problem. This and the fact that these places appeal only to the minority of trainers.
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90% of small business owners deserve to fail based on stupidity, I laugh when some dolt invests their life savings into something that has a business plan written on a napkin, and then scratches their head 6 months later after loss upon loss.
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back in the 70's i almost made that mistake. when i talked to the realtor he said most of the income came from the sale of steroids and supplements to the members, i didn't think it was too good of an investment.
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I`m installing a Temperature/Pressure Relief Valve on one of my water heaters today. We have three 50 gallon Water Heaters and I noticed a slow drip around the edges of one the the Temperature/Pressure Relief Valves. Its almost criminal what a plumber would charge for an eight dollar part and some teflon tape that takes 3 minutes to change out. I bet they convince people to replace whole system because of the TPR Valve which can go bad in less than a year at times on new Water Heaters even.
good investigating. many plumbers , mechanics are rotten, there so greedy but its going to bite them in the ass eventually. it feels really good to learn something like that, pretty cool man is the TPR valve, is that the handle thing, the shut off valve? i dont know much but i love learning and remembering for later use
the problem is many plumbers are very unhealthy and would rather screw the customer because they get real tired on the job even if its a minimal task. They have trouble with the small physical aspect of it and get frustrated then over charge and lie, happens all the time :( i just cant live with that guilty consciousness
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TA do you have that old canadian piping for the water, not the pvc pipe but the grey pipes with the copper fitting , about the circumference of a nickle? Thats another problem i encounter, its being replaced with the white plastic pipe of same circumfernce..The grey pipes tend to spring a leak at the fittings as time goes on
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TA do you have that old canadian piping for the water, not the pvc pipe but the grey pipes with the copper fitting , about the circumference of a nickle? Thats another problem i encounter, its being replaced with the white plastic pipe of same circumfernce..The grey pipes tend to spring a leak at the fittings as time goes on
Nah, I don`t have any of that Polybutylene Bullshit, but I know all about it. There was a large class action lawsuit over that stuff and it ALWAYS fails. It can either be totally replaced or another remedy is to updated the fittings with PVC. Its best to totally replace it if its there. You might be able to still get some of that replaced for free via the class action lawsuit or what have you depending on when it was installed and who did it.
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Nah, I don`t have any of that Polybutylene Bullshit, but I know all about it. There was a large class action lawsuit over that stuff and it ALWAYS fails. It can either be totally replaced or another remedy is to updated the fittings with PVC. Its best to totally replace it if its there. You might be able to still get some of that replaced for free via the class action lawsuit or what have you depending on when it was installed and who did it.
Thats good most older homes have the grey pipe im sure theyve weaseld there way out of having to replace all the piping for free however , seems your home is well put together stud
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Generally they are not a very profitable business. Most people want to own one because its something they enjoy doing. I invested in a gym years ago and it cost about 700,000 to build from scratch. people think its just weights, juice bar and cardio. Got building codes, air circulation codes, etc..i ts still going to this day, but only has about 500 active members. It makes enough money to keep it going.
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Do you really want to know? Regarding what I have learn is that there is some common mistakes what leads to this:
1. Gym's are found by bodybuilders etc. with no knowledge about the running business what so ever.
2. They lease space, equipment, everything and by doing that, their monthly cost go sky high
3. When they realize that their balance is fucked up, they try to save money by cutting expenses from cleaning, maintenance of the equipment etc. and by doing that, they ruin even what little comfort and functionality out there has ever been. People hate dirty dressing rooms and toilets, broken gym equipment etc. and they stop coming, meaning that they also stop paying.
I have seen this plenty of times. Those who fails, are mostly victims of their own stupidity. You can only be successful in this business, if you do it right all the way. First of all, you must have some your own money. You can't be successful with the business, which is based 100% on loan. You can't start with the expensive location, it will eat all your income. You have to start with low budget location and you have to buy your equipment rather than lease. You have to choose right kind of setup, nothing fancy, basic set which you can afford. Then you have to get pricing to the right level, do some advertisement and people will come. When you have some income flowing, you need to find right kind of gym related products to sell you customers, clothes, supplements etc. which you must buy with the lowest price to get best possible turnover from the deal. So now you have gym with steady income, bunch of people and you start to earn some money. You keep the place clean and tidy, make friends with the customers and if you play your cards right, you end up to having people waiting in line to get in the gym.
That is when you move bigger and better location near by, so you can keep all the customers and get some more. All the gyms existing after 10 years of business, has grow to be what they are. All the gyms which meant to be big by the start, has change owner year by year or fade away. You have to start low and climb with patience, and you may get there, but still you have do everything right. If you price is too high, people choose more inexpensive gym, and you loose customers. If you price is too low, you don't earn but you pull in trash who can't behave and lower your place to be ghetto gym. You have to have right price for the right people, clear rules for customers and so on. No discount of from any price without the really good reason. You can put up some membership-system and tie all discounts through that. With membership and discounts you can pull in some competitive bodybuilders, and by them, you can reach new customers. While doing all this, you buy new equipment with your income by the need arises from the opinion of the customers. When this new location seem to bee too crowded, it is time to find bigger and better location. Moving gym from place to place is cheap compared to price of empty space, if you go too big location too soon.
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You must have high ceilings
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This is my small but very busy gym. It is £20 a month cash. No contracts. Pay month at a time.
It also runs kb classes, boxing classes and HKC/RKC events. The guy who own is is also a personal trainer and has about 4 other PTS working for him doing his 12 week transformation programme. It costs £1000 and at any one time there are about 15+ people doing it. Gym is very busy and successful.
Minimal overheads. It is right in Belfast City Centre but on the 3rd floor of a building with some loophole in the lease whereby the rent is minimal.
i wonder how feasible it would be to open a "basement gym" like dorian? just like a low overhead gym for serious lifters? or would that not make money?
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Any particular circumstances?
Aren't you a "Trust Fund Baby"? Give it a try and let us know. I'm sure you have the money to spare.
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a fully equipped gym that is not public but rather a private studio. make it exclusive. cater to women. women make up 80% of this industry and everyone is fucking ignoring them. have trainers who train figure/bikini/fitness and have clients pic on the walls. this is what we can do for you. sell a dream, promise results and give them the tools to achieve both.
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Golds was one of the ones I went to that was shut down. :-\
a golds gym in Hawthorne,ca. that was built maybe 8 years ago, shut down this month
In the last 12 months the Gold's in Hollywood, FL closed. The Golds in Fort Lauderdale, FL closed. :-X
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Aren't you a "Trust Fund Baby"? Give it a try and let us know. I'm sure you have the money to spare.
hes as broke as a joke. he needs people to think he's some kind of sophisticant. he lived at home with his mom and brother till she passed. his brother then went out and bought a 200K house. yeah, big time money there. lol
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hes as broke as a joke. he needs people to think he's some kind of sophisticant. he lived at home with his mom and brother till she passed. his brother then went out and bought a 200K house. yeah, big time money there. lol
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hes as broke as a joke. he needs people to think he's some kind of sophisticant. he lived at home with his mom and brother till she passed. his brother then went out and bought a 200K house. yeah, big time money there. lol
I think hes doing well and isnt wasting his life chasing a short term drug induced phsyique fix, he definitly has some wisdom and knowledge. Maybe you should chill out fella
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LA Fitness is dominating the market in most states. The local hardcore BBing gyms are almost all extinct.
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I think hes doing well and isnt wasting his life chasing a short term drug induced phsyique fix, he definitly has some wisdom and knowledge. Maybe you should chill out fella
Hes a miserable person with a drug addiction so I just have come to expect an addled mind full of fantastical postings from him. Hes harmless and its amusing to see what he will create next.
Johnny,
I meant to ask you if you have any good sources for Abatron or something like it? Abatron is probably the best thing I have ever used, but it can be quite expensive.
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Hes a miserable person with a drug addiction so I just have come to expect an addled mind full of fantastical postings from him. Hes harmless and its amusing to see what he will create next.
Johnny,
I meant to ask you if you have any good sources for Abatron or something like it? Abatron is probably the best thing I have ever used, but it can be quite expensive.
i havent tried it, but dont be impatient with liquid nails overtime the stuff gets super hard like rock or steel almost it can take a few months for it to cure that hard though and you can paint right over it the day after it will be fairly dry and somewhat stiff
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We are almost done. Have all our equipment in exept the ones on order. Just need some cosmetics.
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We are almost done. Have all our equipment in exept the ones on order. Just need some cosmetics.
Is there special insurance that has to be in place and is that expensive?
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Is there special insurance that has to be in place and is that expensive?
We had to get facility insurance. Minimum they require is $1mil but to cover our ass with pro athletes we increased it to $5mil. It runs us about $750 per year. I've had the same insurance for about 8 years with no occurrences, we just had to add the lease holder on as an additional insured.
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We had to get facility insurance. Minimum they require is $1mil but to cover our ass with pro athletes we increased it to $5mil. It runs us about $750 per year. I've had the same insurance for about 8 years with no occurrences, we just had to add the lease holder on as an additional insured.
Get some pics up Coach.
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Every gym I have ever been to, I might pay for the first year up front in cash (I would NEVER EVER sign a contract) then I find that they forget and I just continue to to go for years and nobody ever says anything as I become real friendly with the workers and owners. I think the last time I paid for a Full membership (in cash) was in 2000.
Idiocy of staff/management is every business' downfall.
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Get some pics up Coach.
Not done but we're having our first training sessions starting tomorrow. Waiting for other equipment and necessities to be delivered as well as getting the cosmetic BS done. Here's a sneak peek...
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Not done but we're having our first training sessions starting tomorrow. Waiting for other equipment and necessities to be delivered as well as getting the cosmetic BS done. Here's a sneak peek...
Looks good. Consider yourself lucky to be the 1% of fitness businesses making money.
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Not done but we're having our first training sessions starting tomorrow. Waiting for other equipment and necessities to be delivered as well as getting the cosmetic BS done. Here's a sneak peek...
Good job!
Nothing needs to be brand new and shiny. Just clean.
Good luck!
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The problem with that is, even though they have the equipment they still need to learn a program to use it unless they call in a pt to show them.
are you retarded or smthg? you re talking about fat or skinny fat men and women who have no clue about physical conditionning, but what about the millions of smarter teens who benefit from the experience of their brothers and fathers?
Most teens go on the internet nowadays and get all the infos they need for free. Keep convincing yourself that you re useful.
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are you retarded or smthg? you re talking about fat or skinny fat men and women who have no clue about physical conditionning, but what about the millions of smarter teens who benefit from the experience of their brothers and fathers?
Most teens go on the internet nowadays and get all the infos they need for free. Keep convincing yourself that you re useful.
And you just keep right on thinking there isn't more to training than what your dumbass thinks. You actually think beginners know what they're doing by just copying an exercise from YouTube? Do you really want to get in a training debate with me???????
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those catering to women have a better chance of doing well
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those catering to women fags have a better chance of doing well
FIXED FOR TRUTH
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Not done but we're having our first training sessions starting tomorrow. Waiting for other equipment and necessities to be delivered as well as getting the cosmetic BS done. Here's a sneak peek...
Look's like someone threw out some old gym shit in the garage ;D
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Look's like someone threw out some old gym shit in the garage ;D
Better than a bunch of useless machines. Never seen anyone drop weight on a arm curl machine.
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Looks good. Consider yourself lucky to be the 1% of fitness businesses making money.
Hes not in the 1%. Hes got a garage stall with throw away gear. I trained at the IMG in Bradenton FL when I was trying to be a pro athlete out of college. That's where SERIOUS athletes go, not some schmucks storage facility with some midget Mexican trainer.
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so many of these crossfit type gyms popping up in warehouses and such. Look inside and they have a few ropes, those olympic rings a few barbells and bags with sand. I see these assholes doing walking lunges up and down the sidewalk because their gym has not room in it.
For $500 you can start your own crossfit gym, charge whores with knee high socks $100 and buy your shit used on craigslist.
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Hes not in the 1%. Hes got a garage stall with throw away gear. I trained at the IMG in Bradenton FL when I was trying to be a pro athlete out of college. That's where SERIOUS athletes go, not some schmucks storage facility with some midget Mexican trainer.
Hahaha, ok "suckmymuscle" what sport could you possibly be an athlete in? hahha
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Hes not in the 1%. Hes got a garage stall with throw away gear. I trained at the IMG in Bradenton FL when I was trying to be a pro athlete out of college. That's where SERIOUS athletes go, not some schmucks storage facility with some midget Mexican trainer.
Why? because it has an indoor field? LOL
We have field days 2 days a week in the off season and 3 days per week pre-season. Besides, that pic was taken before we opened on Monday. It's not finished "stud". It's killing you that I'm in the 1% because you bring up in almost every post. lol
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(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=422289.0;attach=467232;image)
Looks like a second-rate tire shop in El Segundo.
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(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=422289.0;attach=467232;image)
Looks like a second-rate tire shop in El Segundo.
You're not even qualified to train at a second rate tire shop in El Segundo..haha!
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location location location.then good equipment and keeping the members you have clean location good employees.
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You're not even qualified to train at a second rate tire shop in El Segundo..haha!
Whatever. I'm happy at the gym I go to. It has free weights, bench's, squat racks, Hammer Strength, Cybex, big cardio room. And guess what, there's no tires, ropes aor any other such nonsense the "personal trainers" and "strength coach"'s of today are pushing. I'll stick with Arnold's Encyclopedia and benching and squatting.
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location location location.then good equipment and keeping the members you have clean location good employees.
The place is spotless. Location really doesn't matter (we are in an industrial park, location by appointment only). Equipment is bulletproof.
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Whatever. I'm happy at the gym I go to. It has free weights, bench's, squat racks, Hammer Strength, Cybex, big cardio room. And guess what, there's no tires, ropes aor any other such nonsense the "personal trainers" and "strength coach"'s of today are pushing. I'll stick with Arnold's Encyclopedia and benching and squatting.
If you're happy, you're happy. We had 26 clients come in yesterday and already had 10 since 7.
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Maybe you and I should go in on some rentals together.
Falcon and Adonis would be an unstoppable real estate duo.
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Coach when can my cracker ass come down and break stuff? ??
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If you're happy, you're happy. We had 26 clients come in yesterday and already had 10 since 7.
Then when they found out they don't do oil changes there anymore they turned around and left.
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Coach when can my cracker ass come down and break stuff? ??
Gimme about 2-3 weeks to settle in.
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Then when they found out they don't do oil changes there anymore they turned around and left.
Don't hate yagr.
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I get a "rush" when small businesses fail be it gyms or otherwise, the stupidity of some is humorous....
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I get a "rush" when small businesses fail be it gyms or otherwise, the stupidity of some is humorous....
If you're going to make statements like that you should really elaborate on it. Please explain your statement.
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Here is my friends gym.
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Blondie can squat on my face shit stained panties and all
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Blondie can squat on my face shit stained panties and all
24 posts? No gimmick here ::)