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Title: Addressing and amending certain "truths" from the steroid section
Post by: SmoofCat on April 12, 2012, 09:24:59 PM
Addressing and amending certain "truths" from the steroid section

I. Testosterone being a "bad" steroid
            A. Testosterone is not a "bad" steroid. It has way more aesthetically displeasing effects than any drug such as tren or primo, but I want to make two points right away.
                     1. Testosterone is required to GROW, and I mean GROW. Yes, you can grow off of a cycle of low or no test (0-350 mg weekly), with a lot of other androgens such as tren and primo, but you inevitably grow better, as in gain overall mass in a more effective way, with a descent dose of testosterone. No, testosterone is not aesthetically pleasing, especially long esther. But stacked with the right hormones, and with the right ancillaries, the look testosterone in doses even as high as 1.5 grams (from personal experience) can still make you look incredible. I will give an example high test cycle that will leave you looking incredible WHILE you grow at the bottom.
                     2. There are real reasons bodybuilders take testosterone.
                                       a. When stacked with the right hormones, it allows you to grow mass significantly faster and more efficient than if you were using low-no test with your stack.
                                       b. Libido. Try staying on a no test or low test stack that includes a descent/high dose of any 19-nor for more than a few months. Try it. I have. You simply do not have a libido after a few months. There is a reason bodybuilders drop the test and cycle it; once test is dropped, your physique does appear more aesthetic, especially if you introduce anadrol.
                                       c. Mood. Try staying on a no test or low test stack that includes a descent/high dose of any 19-nor for more than a few months. Seriously, try it! Your mood crashes. I have done it. It sucks. This leads me to my next point.
                                       d. Test makes you feel good. Your mood and general state of well being increases. It is unique in that no other steroid makes you feel as healthy as test does. Tren can make one confident. Deca has its unique effects on mood, including that unique feeling that you are the biggest persons in the building and all of the pleasure that goes along with (unfortunately most long esther nandrolone gains are water in my history). But testosterone makes you feel healthy. Can you say tren makes you feel healthy? No, it does not.
                                       e. Sample high testosterone stack, which will leave you looking aesthetically incredible throughout the entire cycle.
                                                          (1) 1225 mg sustanon (175 mg daily, .5 cc from top chef)
                                                          (2) 350 mg NPP (50 mg daily)
                                                          (3) 350 mg Tren Ace (50 mg daily)
                                                          (4) 700 mg Primo E weekly (50 mg daily)
                                                          (5) 100 mg Anavar daily
                                                          (6) 40 mg Proviron daily
                                                          (7) 10 iu generic hgh daily
                                                          (8 ) 12.5 mcg t3 daily
                                                          (9) .25 mg EOD anastrozole
                                                                          (a) item 9 above is the perfect prelude to my next concern which is...

2. A.I.s being "bad".
                   A. I have never understood why A.I.s are talked so badly about on get big. Much like testosterone, A.I.s can wreck your physique and libido if used at the wrong dosage. But a small dose of a drug like anastrazole (i.e. .25 mg EOD) can do wonders. And there are many advantages to A.I.s, and inherent issues of believing A.I.s are "bad" in such black and white terms, which I would like to discuss. I will discuss the advantages of A.I.s first, and then discuss the inherent negative consequences in believing they are "bad" in black and white terms below.
                                    1. Advantages to A.I.s
                                                  a. Studies show that low doses of A.I.s do nothing to stop growth, thereby disproving the notion that A.I.s at extremely low doses can make you flat.
                                                               (1) I am not sitting here saying that using A.I.s at high doses is a good idea. Anastrazole at a high dose will make you flat. It will certainly be difficult to grow on a very high dose. But if you use an A.I. at a low dose (.25 mg EOD), you most certainly will reap nothing but benefits.
                                                  b. A low dose of anastrazole or tamoxifen citrate (I don't mix the two) has allowed me to grow, while never growing any form of gyno. Testosterone is the only drug which leads to gyno symptoms for myself personally. No 19-nor does it to me, even at insane doses like 1400 mg weekly of tren ace. But a low dose such as .25 mg EoD of anastrozole or 5-10 mg EOD of tamoxifen only keeps gyno away from me even when the test is high. So I can grow efficiently without growing any tits- a good thing (; .
                                 2.   The inherent negative consequences of stating A.I.s are "bad", and the issues I want to address in regards to this line of thinking.
                                                  a. Gyno is only discussed on get big steroid board as an after. We talk about gyno surgery, and we state how bad A.I.s are. A low dose of an A.I. prevents gyno from ever forming. We never talk about how to block gyno on get big steroid section, we only talk about how to deal with it once it forms. And there is a problem with the answer "masteron".
                                                  b. Masteron can not   be stayed on year round. I never run any A.I. while on masteron, because it works incredibly well for sculpting your physique to a leanness and tightness that it has never been, and for its ability to block gyno. Masteron is one of my favorite oils. I have made threads specifically talking about how much I love masteron. But there is a real reason you can not run masteron year round!
                                                               (1) masteron is hard on your prostate. And don't fuck with your prostate guys. Remember, we take steroids because they make us healthier (I truly believe this, and it is a premise that GH15 often discusses and I do not agree with everything that anyone says, on this board and in the outside world, from one end of the world to the other. There is not one person who I can say I agree with 100% of what they say. And that includes gh15. He is a very smart individual who has given me some advice in the past years that honestly has taken me to places where I otherwise would never be in bodybuilding. And I am forever grateful to him for that. And one point gh15 has made, which I agree with from the bottom of my heart, is that steroids make you immune to sickness like the common cold, and they essentially make you somewhat of a "super human". I do not agree that they make you immune to aids, as it has been brought up, or that they make you a "super human", but they sure as hell make you stronger. I have not gotten a cold once in years because of hormones. Before hormones, I used to get sick all the time. You are probably asking what I am getting at here, and I assure you that I am not on a tangent. My point is that we should not run steroids that are unhealthy to run long term for long periods of time, because it is counterintuitive to the main premise behind taking steroids, to become a stronger and essentially more healthy individual. So running masteron year round is a serious danger to your prostate, and again, you don't want to fuck with your prostate. It is the little part of your body that can really fuck you up one day. So be good to it. But what do we do when we are not on masteron for gyno prevention? And why is this never discussed on this board?
                                                                           (a) When not on masteron, you can run a low dose of an A.I. such as anastrazole at .25-.5 mg EOD with no negative consequences to your growth, as studies prove.





Please feel free to add on to my list. I want this forum to grow, so we can all communicate with one another about the "truths" on get big which we believe need amendments or at the very least discussion

thanks for reading. it felt good to get this off my chest.

-smoof










Title: Re: Addressing and amending certain "truths" from the steroid section
Post by: Sector on April 12, 2012, 09:36:14 PM
Awesome post SmoofCat


Title: Re: Addressing and amending certain "truths" from the steroid section
Post by: ChristopherA on April 12, 2012, 09:41:33 PM
Fuck man you got me rethinking some steps I was take with my cycle. I been running prop low tren EQ. I used to try and run test at a 2:1 ratio to androgens because wait for it.....gh15 said so. This was awhile ago , just recently did he start with the low test. I am with you on a.i.' s too. Just a little a-dex EOD with prop high and I felt great. I don't have that same feeling with the test low. Was gonna add mast to what I was running but maybe I will just grab some anastro and up the test


Title: Re: Addressing and amending certain "truths" from the steroid section
Post by: Glass Gorilla on April 12, 2012, 09:45:31 PM
Great post SmoofCat, very informative. Good to see you're serious about the health aspect. Instead of using 5 different compounds in that cycle you suggessted, what do you think about only using 3 just at a higher dose? Like just sustanon, tren ace, and anavar (or any combination), but at a higher dose each. 


Title: Re: Addressing and amending certain "truths" from the steroid section
Post by: SmoofCat on April 12, 2012, 10:15:04 PM
Great post SmoofCat, very informative. Good to see you're serious about the health aspect. Instead of using 5 different compounds in that cycle you suggessted, what do you think about only using 3 just at a higher dose? Like just sustanon, tren ace, and anavar (or any combination), but at a higher dose each. 

The reason I used the 5 specific ones above, is because I have had amazing results from the cycle listed above. *

You could definitely run 3 and have amazing results. An example below:
-350 mg tren ace weekly
-700 mg primo weekly
-875 mg sustanon weekly (I lowered the test amount due to the anavar and npp being dropped)

However, anavar is SUCH an important part of this specific cycle I run, that I would advise running at least 50 mg daily, if not 100 mg daily (my recommended dose). The NPP, even at the low dose of 350 mg weekly, adds a certain thickness to the upper body, while not bloating the waist. I find that this specific sustanon, top chef, gives a very similar effect in that it adds fullness all throughout the body, especially the upper, as testosterone does, but without any bloat in the waist. I believe the prop is very strong in this sust, while the long esters remained the same, and it is just a wonderful blend overall. The tren ace and primo are not optional and neither is the sustanon or other testosterone .i suggest the sust in this stack, because of how brilliantly the cycle- rather, blast went for me.  The primo has been truly adding muscle to my difficult areas (rear delts for example) and it is truly all lean mass, and it also has been sculpting and adding this nice roundness to the entire delts. I have actually notice a real roundness to my deltoids, and i personally love it. And the tren ace is totally non negotiable in this cycle- it is the heart.






*the aforementioned cycle is:
-1225 mg sustanon (175 mg daily)
-350 mg NPP (50 mg daily)
-350 mg Tren ace (50 mg daily)
-700 mg primo (100 mg daily)
-100 mg anavar daily


Title: Re: Addressing and amending certain "truths" from the steroid section
Post by: Brocty on April 12, 2012, 10:22:35 PM
Smooth,

Whats your take on running tren for long periods and health? 


Title: Re: Addressing and amending certain "truths" from the steroid section
Post by: DorianGrey on April 12, 2012, 10:54:35 PM
^^^^^^ in for answer..


Title: Re: Addressing and amending certain "truths" from the steroid section
Post by: Swlabr on April 13, 2012, 01:50:21 AM
How long can you run masteron before your prostate needs a break, and how long should the break be? I've been on masteron for like 3 - 4 months now, and I wanted to blast the fuck out of it for another 15 weeks... Should I take a break from masteron before I blast it?


Title: Re: Addressing and amending certain "truths" from the steroid section
Post by: Hiitsmichael on April 13, 2012, 02:14:16 AM
Id say you're fairly safe to run it for 6 months now as long as you aren't being irresponsible with it(150/200 per day) . Smoof has said before he likes to take about 6 months break from it


Title: Re: Addressing and amending certain "truths" from the steroid section
Post by: Glass Gorilla on April 13, 2012, 04:26:50 AM
The reason I used the 5 specific ones above, is because I have had amazing results from the cycle listed above. *

You could definitely run 3 and have amazing results. An example below:
-350 mg tren ace weekly
-700 mg primo weekly
-875 mg sustanon weekly (I lowered the test amount due to the anavar and npp being dropped)

However, anavar is SUCH an important part of this specific cycle I run, that I would advise running at least 50 mg daily, if not 100 mg daily (my recommended dose). The NPP, even at the low dose of 350 mg weekly, adds a certain thickness to the upper body, while not bloating the waist. I find that this specific sustanon, top chef, gives a very similar effect in that it adds fullness all throughout the body, especially the upper, as testosterone does, but without any bloat in the waist. I believe the prop is very strong in this sust, while the long esters remained the same, and it is just a wonderful blend overall. The tren ace and primo are not optional and neither is the sustanon or other testosterone .i suggest the sust in this stack, because of how brilliantly the cycle- rather, blast went for me.  The primo has been truly adding muscle to my difficult areas (rear delts for example) and it is truly all lean mass, and it also has been sculpting and adding this nice roundness to the entire delts. I have actually notice a real roundness to my deltoids, and i personally love it. And the tren ace is totally non negotiable in this cycle- it is the heart.






*the aforementioned cycle is:
-1225 mg sustanon (175 mg daily)
-350 mg NPP (50 mg daily)
-350 mg Tren ace (50 mg daily)
-700 mg primo (100 mg daily)
-100 mg anavar daily
Thanks Smoof! Another very informative, detailed post.


Title: Re: Addressing and amending certain "truths" from the steroid section
Post by: evser on April 13, 2012, 04:30:25 AM
great post I agree completely. Test is the only aas that makes me feel great with little to no sides. It should be the base to nearly every stack. I took it out of my cycle 4 weeks away from my contest and just added it back post contest (150 prop eod) and man I feel like a new person.


Title: Re: Addressing and amending certain "truths" from the steroid section
Post by: ChristopherA on April 13, 2012, 04:32:31 AM
Id say you're fairly safe to run it for 6 months now as long as you aren't being irresponsible with it(150/200 per day) . Smoof has said before he likes to take about 6 months break from it
He just said the other day he wanted to jump to a gram a week lol


Title: Re: Addressing and amending certain "truths" from the steroid section
Post by: falco on April 13, 2012, 04:45:55 AM
You must realize that some steroids are "hated" because dealers have better proffit from other steroids so they talk shit about test as an example.
Test is just great, so are AI's.


Title: Re: Addressing and amending certain "truths" from the steroid section
Post by: Overload on April 13, 2012, 04:58:15 AM
Spot on Smoof.

This guy knows how this game works.

It's like a shining light in an ocean full of darkness.

I agree with everything you said.

Smoof speaks just like all of the top NPC guys i know and it's obvious he's been in this game a long time.

Great to have you here brother, i wish more competitors would make posts like this. Posts like this were a common occurrence on this board years ago; we are lucky to have guys willing to spend the amount of time needed to address these things.


8)


Title: Re: Addressing and amending certain "truths" from the steroid section
Post by: El Diablo Blanco on April 13, 2012, 06:37:31 AM
SO how did your show go?


Title: Re: Addressing and amending certain "truths" from the steroid section
Post by: AlphaMaleDawg on April 13, 2012, 07:44:39 AM
You must realize that some steroids are "hated" because dealers have better proffit from other steroids so they talk shit about test as an example.
Test is just great, so are AI's.

This is ridiculous. We all know what these steroids do anyway. There are too few dealers in a sea of users for them to influence our decisions.


Title: Re: Addressing and amending certain "truths" from the steroid section
Post by: SmoofCat on April 13, 2012, 07:55:11 AM
He just said the other day he wanted to jump to a gram a week lol

Regarding tren I only run it 6-8 months a year because I personally begin to feel toxic around month 6. As soon as I drop the tren, I physically feel better.

Yes, when I am on tren I have run as high as 1400mg weekly. And I have done as little as 350 mg weekly. I am recently developing the opinion that mega
Doses of tren cause more harm to me personally than good.

I am not an expert. I just have a good deal of personal experience. So you can argue with me that tren can be run year round. I don't care. My personal experience
Tells me you must get off at month 6-8


Title: Re: Addressing and amending certain "truths" from the steroid section
Post by: ChristopherA on April 13, 2012, 08:45:09 AM
Regarding tren I only run it 6-8 months a year because I personally begin to feel toxic around month 6. As soon as I drop the tren, I physically feel better.

Yes, when I am on tren I have run as high as 1400mg weekly. And I have done as little as 350 mg weekly. I am recently developing the opinion that mega
Doses of tren cause more harm to me personally than good.

I am not an expert. I just have a good deal of personal experience. So you can argue with me that tren can be run year round. I don't care. My personal experience
Tells me you must get off at month 6-8
Ya I havent had any noticable sides running it high other than overheating a little but def dont feel great in the overall. That high testosterone feeling of well being is missing


Title: Re: Addressing and amending certain "truths" from the steroid section
Post by: makaveli25 on April 13, 2012, 08:46:46 AM
Bye far the top poster on aas board. I've learned a lot from smoof. More than any poster including 15. I hope things in your personal life have gotten better.


Title: Re: Addressing and amending certain "truths" from the steroid section
Post by: ChristopherA on April 13, 2012, 09:12:53 AM
Bye far the top poster on aas board. I've learned a lot from smoof. More than any poster including 15. I hope things in your personal life have gotten better.
I agree, i hope he sticks around. Quality posts over quantity. Hey Smoof am I remembering one of your posts right, you were doing six plates a side on the HS shoulderpress? Fucking A


Title: Re: Addressing and amending certain "truths" from the steroid section
Post by: Glass Gorilla on April 13, 2012, 09:27:55 AM
Regarding tren I only run it 6-8 months a year because I personally begin to feel toxic around month 6. As soon as I drop the tren, I physically feel better.

Yes, when I am on tren I have run as high as 1400mg weekly. And I have done as little as 350 mg weekly. I am recently developing the opinion that mega
Doses of tren cause more harm to me personally than good.

I am not an expert. I just have a good deal of personal experience. So you can argue with me that tren can be run year round. I don't care. My personal experience
Tells me you must get off at month 6-8

Is that 6-8 continuous months with the rest of the year off, or something like 2 months off 1 month on?

Sorry to keep throwing questions at you, but there seems to be some confusion (at least for me) if tren is effective for offseason usage. I've read before that because it raises your metabolic rate so much that it should be avoided in the offseason. What are your thoughts on this SmoofCat? Others feel free to chime in.


Title: Re: Addressing and amending certain "truths" from the steroid section
Post by: Sector on April 13, 2012, 09:33:39 AM
Is that 6-8 continuous months with the rest of the year off, or something like 2 months off 1 month on?

Sorry to keep throwing questions at you, but there seems to be some confusion (at least for me) if tren is effective for offseason usage. I've read before that because it raises your metabolic rate so much that it should be avoided in the offseason. What are your thoughts on this SmoofCat? Others feel free to chime in.

Im sure smoof will answer but just to toss my opinion out there. Its totally depends on how you feel, the main point of getting off tren after 6 months is the mental sides become too much and you just dont feel right. Whats more is go by how your body feels, if your starting to ache in places you shouldnt ( liver, kidney, etc ) then switch out compounds or take a few weeks off.


Title: Re: Addressing and amending certain "truths" from the steroid section
Post by: randy841 on April 13, 2012, 10:18:07 AM
                                                         (2) 350 mg NPP (50 mg daily)
                                                          (3) 350 mg Tren Ace (50 mg daily)

I thought running two 19 nor andros in the same cycle is a 'no' 'no'?

Can Deca be substituted for the NPP?


Title: Re: Addressing and amending certain "truths" from the steroid section
Post by: SmoofCat on April 13, 2012, 10:32:01 AM
I thought running two 19 nor andros in the same cycle is a 'no' 'no'?

Can Deca be substituted for the NPP?
i don't love deca. the water retention is bad. deca is also the one steroid that gives me acne, and it turns my face, which is normally extremely lean into something a bit circular. I love the strength increases on deca, but aesthetically i hate the compound... it is essentially the one compound that i most likely will never run again.

also, i don't agree that 2 19 nors "can not" be run together. actually, NPP + tren ace is a very unique combo that essentially you can't replicate.


Title: Re: Addressing and amending certain "truths" from the steroid section
Post by: SmoofCat on April 13, 2012, 10:37:37 AM
Is that 6-8 continuous months with the rest of the year off, or something like 2 months off 1 month on?

Sorry to keep throwing questions at you, but there seems to be some confusion (at least for me) if tren is effective for offseason usage. I've read before that because it raises your metabolic rate so much that it should be avoided in the offseason. What are your thoughts on this SmoofCat? Others feel free to chime in.

i truly do not believe tren ace is necessary for off season.

i most likely will never compete again, because my days have become 9-5 in an office and then EOD marriage counseling after work, with an inordinate emphasis on my steroid use (i have truly been painted the villain by every professional because i have been open about my hormone use). but  i maintain 225 @ under 6% by following my instincts and learning from the mistakes in my past hormone usage. i take big stacks, but i am hyper aware of every element in the stack. i do not just throw anything i can into the syringe and shoot. i think about every single hormone and ask myself why i am using it and if the dose is too high or low, and why.

and for these reasons  i don't use tren ace whatsoever for a good part of the year. i understand if you do use it all year round. there is no black and white answer here. i do not. some may. i happen to not like to use tren ace year round.

nosleep has a very good post about this somewhere out there on this board. he writes about not taking tren ace for the entirety of the year, and lays out his opinions very concisely. maybe sleep can share that again here.


Title: Re: Addressing and amending certain "truths" from the steroid section
Post by: Glass Gorilla on April 13, 2012, 11:02:55 AM
i truly do not believe tren ace is necessary for off season.

i most likely will never compete again, because my days have become 9-5 in an office and then EOD marriage counseling after work, with an inordinate emphasis on my steroid use (i have truly been painted the villain by every professional because i have been open about my hormone use). but  i maintain 225 @ under 6% by following my instincts and learning from the mistakes in my past hormone usage. i take big stacks, but i am hyper aware of every element in the stack. i do not just throw anything i can into the syringe and shoot. i think about every single hormone and ask myself why i am using it and if the dose is too high or low, and why.

and for these reasons  i don't use tren ace whatsoever for a good part of the year. i understand if you do use it all year round. there is no black and white answer here. i do not. some may. i happen to not like to use tren ace year round.

nosleep has a very good post about this somewhere out there on this board. he writes about not taking tren ace for the entirety of the year, and lays out his opinions very concisely. maybe sleep can share that again here.

^I'm really sorry to hear that man. It's unbelievable how steroid usage is demonized in this country. Especially while there's plenty of drugs that do even more harm and are perfectly legal (read: alcohol). And I'm sure not one of those professionals has done any real research about steroid use, it's all media scare tactics. Good luck with your situation man.


Title: Re: Addressing and amending certain "truths" from the steroid section
Post by: SmoofCat on April 13, 2012, 11:31:13 AM
^I'm really sorry to hear that man. It's unbelievable how steroid usage is demonized in this country. Especially while there's plenty of drugs that do even more harm and are perfectly legal (read: alcohol). And I'm sure not one of those professionals has done any real research about steroid use, it's all media scare tactics. Good luck with your situation man.

Thank you. I'm learning that the most mature way to handle this is to keep my mouth closed and my chin up. Once I stopped fighting and started just listening I made some headway. This does not mean my beliefs
Have changed. It does mean I am no longer announcing my beliefs with a loud speaker.

And my injection protocols have gotten a lot more intricate and a lot sneakier. One day I won't have to do this, but for right now I have priorities and hormone use is not my priority (although I will be injecting hormones until I am very old. I already managed to knock a girl up on 1400 mg of tren ace and a shit load of masteron and test and orals, so I just don't have to worry about my balls anymore. One kid is enough. And I'm sure if I wanted another I could do it based on the fact that I impregnated someone on 4.5 grams of
Gear and no hcg. I am sure On a bridge w HCG I would be impregnating woman without penetration.. Telepathically.)


Title: Re: Addressing and amending certain "truths" from the steroid section
Post by: Glass Gorilla on April 13, 2012, 11:38:00 AM
Thank you. I'm learning that the most mature way to handle this is to keep my mouth closed and my chin up. Once I stopped fighting and started just listening I made some headway. This does not mean my beliefs
Have changed. It does mean I am no longer announcing my beliefs with a loud speaker.

And my injection protocols have gotten a lot more intricate and a lot sneakier. One day I won't have to do this, but for right now I have priorities and hormone use is not my priority (although I will be injecting hormones until I am very old. I already managed to knock a girl up on 1400 mg of tren ace and a shit load of masteron and test and orals, so I just don't have to worry about my balls anymore. One kid is enough. And I'm sure if I wanted another I could do it based on the fact that I impregnated someone on 4.5 grams of
Gear and no hcg. I am sure On a bridge w HCG I would be impregnating woman without penetration.. Telepathically.)

Yea sometimes not saying anything can be better than vehemently defending yourself. It's an uphill battle unfortuneately.


So are you going to tell us how you did in your fucking show or what? haha


Title: Re: Addressing and amending certain "truths" from the steroid section
Post by: SmoofCat on April 13, 2012, 11:40:03 AM
Yea sometimes not saying anything can be better than vehemently defending yourself. It's an uphill battle unfortuneately.


So are you going to tell us how you did in your fucking show or what? haha

I couldn't do the show!! I am not allowed
To compete! I hate to say that, but if I had competed on 3.31 instead of going to CT w my fiancée and her parents, I would NEVER have seen her again without the courts getting involved

Even my own mother who has been my number one supporter through my bodybuildig
And fitness career, from ford in 07-09 to winning natural competitions on haladrol, even she told me I would be a "child" if I went and competed.

You guys have to understand I am fighting to have my kid in my life in 7 months. And the BIG issue is my steroid use. This is why her father pulled her from me. And this is why she came
Back. Because I stopped proclaiming to the family and counselor that hormones will
B in my life
Forever.

Now I keep my mouth shut and my head
High and I just go to work every morning and I think everything may work out.

However I am
No
Pro . And I never will be now


Title: Re: Addressing and amending certain "truths" from the steroid section
Post by: diamondcut on April 13, 2012, 11:43:52 AM
The situation sucks bro, iread about it in your other posting

I wish you the best of luck

Also, great post as always smoof


Title: Re: Addressing and amending certain "truths" from the steroid section
Post by: Glass Gorilla on April 13, 2012, 11:50:35 AM
I couldn't do the show!! I am not allowed
To compete! I hate to say that, but if I had competed on 3.31 instead of going to CT w my fiancée and her parents, I would NEVER have seen her again without the courts getting involved

Even my own mother who has been my number one supporter through my bodybuildig
And fitness career, from ford in 07-09 to winning natural competitions on haladrol, even she told me I would be a "child" if I went and competed.

You guys have to understand I am fighting to have my kid in my life in 7 months. And the BIG issue is my steroid use. This is why her father pulled her from me. And this is why she came
Back. Because I stopped proclaiming to the family and counselor that hormones will
B in my life
Forever.

Now I keep my mouth shut and my head
High and I just go to work every morning and I think everything may work out.

However I am
No
Pro . And I never will be now

Ah okay I didn't know if you did it or not. Gotta have your priorities though, man. I hope your whole custody/fiancee situation works out well  :)

In the meantime keep dispursing your knowledge here on getbig!  :P


Title: Re: Addressing and amending certain "truths" from the steroid section
Post by: deadpan on April 13, 2012, 11:58:50 AM
good post very informative and i believe that disagreements and intelligent discourse is necessary for us to learn and grow as a community, i like getbig but one thing that almost shocked me when i first came here was the prevalence of certain "steroid truths" like you said smoof and no one wants to try something different or put in a bit more thought than just "more tren more gh", very good post


Title: Re: Addressing and amending certain "truths" from the steroid section
Post by: SmoofCat on April 13, 2012, 12:03:19 PM
Ah okay I didn't know if you did it or not. Gotta have your priorities though, man. I hope your whole custody/fiancee situation works out well  :)

In the meantime keep dispursing your knowledge here on getbig!  :P

Will try. Unfortunately we are at somewhat of
A rock bottom in terms of reliable generic Gh. This has me
Concerned. I do hope this is resolved soon.

I will continue making my posts and giving and receiving advice here,
But I am not 225 and 5 percent without Gh. I am more like 215 and 6.5 percent, at the max 218.

I do hope this is resolved soon.
Because I do not trust much generic
Out there
Now, as per recent develoPmemta this week that I am
Sure
Everyone has noticed (vacation)


Title: Re: Addressing and amending certain "truths" from the steroid section
Post by: Bulkyboyy on April 13, 2012, 12:20:07 PM
Excellent post. Very helpful! Sorry to hear about your situation. One of my biggest fears is facing the day I have to choose between family, and my addiction to this lifestyle! It takes a big man(no pun intended) to make the choices you made! I hope it all works out!


Title: Re: Addressing and amending certain "truths" from the steroid section
Post by: a_pupil on April 13, 2012, 12:42:48 PM
I couldn't do the show!! I am not allowed
To compete! I hate to say that, but if I had competed on 3.31 instead of going to CT w my fiancée and her parents, I would NEVER have seen her again without the courts getting involved

Even my own mother who has been my number one supporter through my bodybuildig
And fitness career, from ford in 07-09 to winning natural competitions on haladrol, even she told me I would be a "child" if I went and competed.

You guys have to understand I am fighting to have my kid in my life in 7 months. And the BIG issue is my steroid use. This is why her father pulled her from me. And this is why she came
Back. Because I stopped proclaiming to the family and counselor that hormones will
B in my life
Forever.

Now I keep my mouth shut and my head
High and I just go to work every morning and I think everything may work out.

However I am
No
Pro . And I never will be now

You made the right choice, as Laurence Fishbourne said in boyz in the hood: "Any fool with a dick can get a woman pregnant, but only a real man can raise a child"  ;D

I'm 25 as well, had my first boy in May 2011 and my girl is expecting again in 7ish months. It completely changes your perspective on life for the better.


Title: Re: Addressing and amending certain "truths" from the steroid section
Post by: El Diablo Blanco on April 13, 2012, 01:08:46 PM
You made the right choice, as Laurence Fishbourne said in boyz in the hood: "Any fool with a dick can get a woman pregnant, but only a real man can raise a child"  ;D

I'm 25 as well, had my first boy in May 2011 and my girl is expecting again in 7ish months. It completely changes your perspective on life for the better.

Fishbourne's daughter no does Porn. so your point  ;D

So Smoof, how did the show go?  Any pics from the show?


Title: Re: Addressing and amending certain "truths" from the steroid section
Post by: AlphaMaleDawg on April 13, 2012, 01:09:14 PM
Excellent post. Very helpful! Sorry to hear about your situation. One of my biggest fears is facing the day I have to choose between family, and my addiction to this lifestyle! It takes a big man(no pun intended) to make the choices you made! I hope it all works out!

I had to do this last year and I got someone to photoshop my bloodwork results so I can have both. It got resolved beautifully at least for now


Title: Re: Addressing and amending certain "truths" from the steroid section
Post by: a_pupil on April 13, 2012, 01:09:50 PM
Fishbourne's daughter no does Porn. so your point  ;D

So Smoof, how did the show go?  Any pics from the show?

lol  ;D


Title: Re: Addressing and amending certain "truths" from the steroid section
Post by: Sector on April 13, 2012, 01:12:09 PM


I do hope this is resolved soon.
Because I do not trust much generic
Out there
Now, as per recent develoPmemta this week that I am
Sure
Everyone has noticed (vacation)

I died a little inside when I saw that. I had planed to pick up 10 kits for the summer. Now... I will probly go without Hgh.


Title: Re: Addressing and amending certain "truths" from the steroid section
Post by: Bulkyboyy on April 13, 2012, 01:13:26 PM
I had to do this last year and I got someone to photoshop my bloodwork results so I can have both. It got resolved beautifully at least for now

like a true addict!! no offense!! I would probably try to do the same thing. so far my g/f is okay with my use. she supports it to the best of her ability, but that doesnt last forever!!


Title: Re: Addressing and amending certain "truths" from the steroid section
Post by: AlphaMaleDawg on April 13, 2012, 01:24:50 PM
like a true addict!! no offense!! I would probably try to do the same thing. so far my g/f is okay with my use. she supports it to the best of her ability, but that doesnt last forever!!

Part of my identity is about looking sexy as fuck. No way I can give that up and field questions as to why I got so small to hundreds of people


Title: Re: Addressing and amending certain "truths" from the steroid section
Post by: Bulkyboyy on April 13, 2012, 01:30:04 PM
Part of my identity is about looking sexy as fuck. No way I can give that up and field questions as to why I got so small to hundreds of people

I am in the EXACT same boat. everyone kows me as being big. people would think I was smokng meth if I ever quit.


Title: Re: Addressing and amending certain "truths" from the steroid section
Post by: Glass Gorilla on April 13, 2012, 01:48:09 PM
I had to do this last year and I got someone to photoshop my bloodwork results so I can have both. It got resolved beautifully at least for now

HAHAHAHAHA!! Hopefully that'll last  :-X


Title: Re: Addressing and amending certain "truths" from the steroid section
Post by: thorbolado on April 14, 2012, 07:35:23 AM
smooooth
can you post the tips for arm growth??


Title: Re: Addressing and amending certain "truths" from the steroid section
Post by: howardroark on April 14, 2012, 08:34:13 AM
Smoof, you're absolutely correct that AIs don't kill your growth! There's no reason why they would! Estrogen is NOT anabolic, like some people like to claim! In fact, too much estrogen reduces anabolism! So using AIs to keep your estrogen in check is a good thing! Just don't use too much AIs as that will destroy your estrogen levels, which is bad for your libido and bad for your health.


Title: Re: Addressing and amending certain "truths" from the steroid section
Post by: muscle19 on April 14, 2012, 10:52:15 AM
it does suck how our country looks so down on the subject...I work 9-5 job, professional and people have asked and I have to shrug it off, give a little no and just tell them its all training and diet so I avoid it as much as possible cause I dont like lying...

I use AIs most the time cause im so gyno prone and never hurts my growth


Title: Re: Addressing and amending certain "truths" from the steroid section
Post by: gh2 on April 14, 2012, 11:13:28 AM
Interesting post, smoof and thanks for sharing!

The more oppinions we hear and the more it is discussed the more we learn. I agree with you an the "superman" thing in the sense that I have also not been sick the last 5-6 years at all. I can kiss my girlfriend (when I have one) when she has a cold but I am completely immune. I do have a couple of questions if you don't mind:

1) What about health issues on these doses? I am thinking blood presssure, cholesterole, lipid profile, liver (with the orals in your cycle) enlargening of heart and so on?
2) Is not primo also very hard on the prostate?


Title: Re: Addressing and amending certain "truths" from the steroid section
Post by: Glass Gorilla on April 14, 2012, 12:17:31 PM
Interesting post, smoof and thanks for sharing!

The more oppinions we hear and the more it is discussed the more we learn. I agree with you an the "superman" thing in the sense that I have also not been sick the last 5-6 years at all. I can kiss my girlfriend (when I have one) when she has a cold but I am completely immune. I do have a couple of questions if you don't mind:

1) What about health issues on these doses? I am thinking blood presssure, cholesterole, lipid profile, liver (with the orals in your cycle) enlargening of heart and so on?2) Is not primo also very hard on the prostate?


Looking forward to this.


Title: Re: Addressing and amending certain "truths" from the steroid section
Post by: pellius on April 15, 2012, 02:55:06 AM
How long can you run masteron before your prostate needs a break, and how long should the break be? I've been on masteron for like 3 - 4 months now, and I wanted to blast the fuck out of it for another 15 weeks... Should I take a break from masteron before I blast it?

Why is masteron particularly bad for your prostrate? Anymore than any other DHT based compound? What does it do specifically to the prostrate after six months on mast?


Title: Re: Addressing and amending certain "truths" from the steroid section
Post by: muscle19 on April 15, 2012, 05:48:53 AM
Why is masteron particularly bad for your prostrate? Anymore than any other DHT based compound? What does it do specifically to the prostrate after six months on mast?

ive been wondering the same myself, been on it for some time and going to get off for while and add primo instead...

gh2: its funny cause im the same way, my wife will be sick, ill kiss her and I wont get sick. I work with alot of people (customers) each day and even they are sick and I wont catch it. Its amazing what this stuff will do to immune system. BP is always an issue, and lately with all the damn gh talk, people are eating ehat ever they want while on and that cant be good. You need a good balance and always eating shit cause you can get away with it and not get fat isnt good for all you listed...


Title: Re: Addressing and amending certain "truths" from the steroid section
Post by: itrain on April 15, 2012, 06:22:42 PM
Quote
    i truly do not believe tren ace is necessary for off season 

I have to agree with this statement,, I see to many people try to use tren as an excuse to eat potato chips, mc donalds, chocolate bars...

I think good mass cycles consist of progress ex

test/bold
test/bold/deca or npp
test/bold/ deca or npp/ dbol

or

test/bold 6-8 weeks
test/bold/tren 6-8 weeks
test/bold/tren/androl 6-8 weeks

I personally like a week recoup after each mini blast and like using tren towards the end if i use it at all  as my diet is on point and need is helps extra fat burning but I rarely use it like this..

I like high test personally but i also like high EQ, or NPP, (not a fan of DECA, ANDROL, OR DBOL ) this was just an example of how to build a stack to progress


Title: Re: Addressing and amending certain "truths" from the steroid section
Post by: Ripped190 on April 15, 2012, 06:34:42 PM
I have to agree with this statement,, I see to many people try to use tren as an excuse to eat potato chips, mc donalds, chocolate bars...

I think good mass cycles consist of progress ex

test/bold
test/bold/deca or npp
test/bold/ deca or npp/ dbol

or

test/bold 6-8 weeks
test/bold/tren 6-8 weeks
test/bold/tren/androl 6-8 weeks

I personally like a week recoup after each mini blast and like using tren towards the end if i use it at all  as my diet is on point and need is helps extra fat burning but I rarely use it like this..

I like high test personally but i also like high EQ, or NPP, (not a fan of DECA, ANDROL, OR DBOL ) this was just an example of how to build a stack to progress

What is the highest dose of test a week do you suggest if not on hgh and 23 years old?


Title: Re: Addressing and amending certain "truths" from the steroid section
Post by: itrain on April 15, 2012, 06:38:04 PM
Quote
       What is the highest dose of test a week do you suggest if not on hgh and 23 years old?   

Depends on a lot of things

1. Height, Weight, bf%
2. Goals?
3. What brand do you use (UGL or PHARM and what NAME)
4. What is your cycling history (how did your blood panel look) How did you feel on your highest cycle

THen i can help you a bit more accurately


Title: Re: Addressing and amending certain "truths" from the steroid section
Post by: Ripped190 on April 15, 2012, 06:44:56 PM
Depends on a lot of things

1. Height, Weight, bf%
2. Goals?
3. What brand do you use (UGL or PHARM and what NAME)
4. What is your cycling history (how did your blood panel look) How did you feel on your highest cycle

THen i can help you a bit more accurately

1. 5'8", 172 lbs, bodyfat 8-10?
2. bulking to 200 lbs and ripped after I get done cutting
3.UGL, Amlabs
4. On for 9 months and on the highest dose I felt ok but I was dieting


Title: Re: Addressing and amending certain "truths" from the steroid section
Post by: itrain on April 15, 2012, 06:50:50 PM
I would go 600test/600eq/  6-8 weeks
                800test/600eq/  6-8 weeks
                800test/600eq/250tren/ 6-8 weeks
                1g test/600eq/ 350tren/50-100anadrol 6-8 weeks

             total 24-32 you should be able to hit 215 -220 and get to a solid 205 if your gear is of decent quality and you eat a caloric surplus,, and dont overtrain


Title: Re: Addressing and amending certain "truths" from the steroid section
Post by: AlphaMaleDawg on April 15, 2012, 07:10:24 PM
I would go 600test/600eq/  6-8 weeks
                800test/600eq/  6-8 weeks
                800test/600eq/250tren/ 6-8 weeks
                1g test/600eq/ 350tren/50-100anadrol 6-8 weeks

             total 24-32 you should be able to hit 215 -220 and get to a solid 205 if your gear is of decent quality and you eat a caloric surplus,, and dont overtrain


I would say this looks like a solid plan


Title: Re: Addressing and amending certain "truths" from the steroid section
Post by: Ripped190 on April 15, 2012, 07:10:53 PM
I would go 600test/600eq/  6-8 weeks
                800test/600eq/  6-8 weeks
                800test/600eq/250tren/ 6-8 weeks
                1g test/600eq/ 350tren/50-100anadrol 6-8 weeks

             total 24-32 you should be able to hit 215 -220 and get to a solid 205 if your gear is of decent quality and you eat a caloric surplus,, and dont overtrain


Thanks a lot man! Def gonna go this


Title: Re: Addressing and amending certain "truths" from the steroid section
Post by: itrain on April 15, 2012, 08:45:39 PM
Start a log keep us updated


Title: Re: Addressing and amending certain "truths" from the steroid section
Post by: Zé galinha on April 15, 2012, 11:24:31 PM
awesome thread smoof. Thanks.

You are one of the reasons i come to read on getbig since gh15 has left.


Title: Re: Addressing and amending certain "truths" from the steroid section
Post by: Omega on April 16, 2012, 03:10:56 AM
Smoof, you're absolutely correct that AIs don't kill your growth! There's no reason why they would! Estrogen is NOT anabolic, like some people like to claim! In fact, too much estrogen reduces anabolism! So using AIs to keep your estrogen in check is a good thing! Just don't use too much AIs as that will destroy your estrogen levels, which is bad for your libido and bad for your health.

Something I have noticed which is reserved for the US boards.
In the UK this business about AI's being bad is not touted at all.


Title: Re: Addressing and amending certain "truths" from the steroid section
Post by: Sector on April 16, 2012, 08:44:10 AM
1. 5'8", 172 lbs, bodyfat 8-10?
2. bulking to 200 lbs and ripped after I get done cutting
3.UGL, Amlabs
4. On for 9 months and on the highest dose I felt ok but I was dieting

Do you feel the test is dosed properly? I am using AMLabs tren and I feel like its underdosed, I have some of their test I had planned on using as my base but now I am worried.


Title: Re: Addressing and amending certain "truths" from the steroid section
Post by: Ripped190 on April 16, 2012, 04:45:45 PM
Do you feel the test is dosed properly? I am using AMLabs tren and I feel like its underdosed, I have some of their test I had planned on using as my base but now I am worried.

Not on it yet bro but that has me worried I think i'm gonna brew my own tren now. I really need to find a good source I keep getting screwed over.


Title: Re: Addressing and amending certain "truths" from the steroid section
Post by: SmoofCat on April 16, 2012, 07:26:08 PM
awesome thread smoof. Thanks.

You are one of the reasons i come to read on getbig since gh15 has left.


thanks i try to help. i've been through a huge amount of mud in the hormone game in the last few years, and i have learned a ton through the process and i just want to help others.

i am not longer even considering going pro, and will never compete again. however, i am 225-230 depending on what i eat @ under 6 % year round, and i think that quantifies me enough to at least state some things i believe are true in this game. and i also have had the pleasure of getting to know many top amateurs and 2 pros on a real level, and big names in fitness modeling and modeling in general (i was with a top top agency for 2 years) and let me tell you everyone is on hormones. even certain models who are 6'2'' and 175 lbs are on hormones. everyone is on hormones. there is no such thing as natural. david the 40 year old 5'5'', 140 lb guy whose arms are just a little too large to be natural because of how cut he is is certainly on hgh and tren. it is no question. there is no natural. and the 6'2'', 250 lb fitness model who claims he is on a "bit of gear" is actually on 1.5 grams of test, 1200 mg EQ weekly, 100-150 mg tren ace daily and 10 iu of pharmacy grade GH every single day. these are real people that i saw today. i am not making these up as examples. these are two people from today. two liars, who i happen to know exactly what they take due to the fact that they both beg me to disclose my stack, and i refuse to disclose anything to anyone who won't be 100% honest with me in person about what they are on.

when the 6'2'' 250 6% fitness model recently signed to willhemina told me he was on a "bit of gear" i told him to get the fuck out of here. he wanted my stack. i don't blame him. the fitness/bodybuilding industry is full of head games and psychopaths and body dsymorphia. this guy who has near to a perfect build, and is on a practically PERFECT stack, is begging me for my stack when he has an equally good physique as me. and when he told me his stack, the only thing i could recommend to him was to add in anavar and primo and take out the EQ because of his specific goals. i mean, what do you recommend to a guy who is 250 lbs @ 6% and is on 1.5 grams of pharm grade test, 1200 mg of REAL equipoise, and 100-150 mg daily of tren ace from a top source as well as 10 iu daily of SEROSTIM out of all the fucking hgh out there. What do you recommend? And why is this guy asking me for advice? why does he stare at me at the gym every time i enter and he stares at me like i am a hot fucking broad or a chipotle bowl and he is starving to death or something, when he is a straight male for a fact?

because bodybuilding and fitness industry is full of crazy ass motherfuckers with body dsymorphia. and too many of us start taking narcotics and develop coke addictions, like the guy i am talking about, he has a $500 a weekend cocaine problem.

do not become one of these people. use bodybuilding as your medium to a higher realm of happiness and peace with yourself. use arnold schwarzinagger as your role model, and curse craig titus every morning. seriously, look up to the bodybuilders who can smile and have a good time and a sense of humor who avoid narcotics and understand that bodybuilding is all just a game and a way to build both a better physique and a better life, and curse the individuals in this game who turn evil.

i am so fucking sick of meeting these "hard" bodybuilders who can never smile because they need 20 mg of percocet to even enter a gym. it fucking sickens me. i want this sport back in a sunnier place. i go to the gym to fucking blow off some steam and relax, and i swear i enjoy every work out and i make it into an event. i get myself so fucking pumped up for chest/bicep day that i look forward to it as if i was going into an orgy with 3 play mates waiting for me just bent over singing my  name. i get so fucking pumped up and excited for leg day because i know leg day is the FOUNDATION of your body building career, the foundation of your midsection and the foundation of all strength one can develop (best advice i have ever gotten was that upper body strength can never come without lower body strength. see what i mean and build a 4 plate on each side squat for many many reps and then go try to do your flat bench. see what I mean. you will rep that shit like an nfl linebacker).

so be happy. get excited to go to the gym. never get depressed because you had to miss a shot or two because you went on a trip with your girlfriend or you only got to the gym 3 times in a week instead of 5 because you went on a trip with your parents. fuck that shit. this is your life and bodybuilding is an ANCILLARY to your life.

you body build to live. never live to body build.


Title: Re: Addressing and amending certain "truths" from the steroid section
Post by: Glass Gorilla on April 16, 2012, 07:31:01 PM
thanks i try to help. i've been through a huge amount of mud in the hormone game in the last few years, and i have learned a ton through the process and i just want to help others.

i am not longer even considering going pro, and will never compete again. however, i am 225-230 depending on what i eat @ under 6 % year round, and i think that quantifies me enough to at least state some things i believe are true in this game. and i also have had the pleasure of getting to know many top amateurs and 2 pros on a real level, and big names in fitness modeling and modeling in general (i was with a top top agency for 2 years) and let me tell you everyone is on hormones. even certain models who are 6'2'' and 175 lbs are on hormones. everyone is on hormones. there is no such thing as natural. david the 40 year old 5'5'', 140 lb guy whose arms are just a little too large to be natural because of how cut he is is certainly on hgh and tren. it is no question. there is no natural. and the 6'2'', 250 lb fitness model who claims he is on a "bit of gear" is actually on 1.5 grams of test, 1200 mg EQ weekly, 100-150 mg tren ace daily and 10 iu of pharmacy grade GH every single day. these are real people that i saw today. i am not making these up as examples. these are two people from today. two liars, who i happen to know exactly what they take due to the fact that they both beg me to disclose my stack, and i refuse to disclose anything to anyone who won't be 100% honest with me in person about what they are on.

when the 6'2'' 250 6% fitness model recently signed to willhemina told me he was on a "bit of gear" i told him to get the fuck out of here. he wanted my stack. i don't blame him. the fitness/bodybuilding industry is full of head games and psychopaths and body dsymorphia. this guy who has near to a perfect build, and is on a practically PERFECT stack, is begging me for my stack when he has an equally good physique as me. and when he told me his stack, the only thing i could recommend to him was to add in anavar and primo and take out the EQ because of his specific goals. i mean, what do you recommend to a guy who is 250 lbs @ 6% and is on 1.5 grams of pharm grade test, 1200 mg of REAL equipoise, and 100-150 mg daily of tren ace from a top source as well as 10 iu daily of SEROSTIM out of all the fucking hgh out there. What do you recommend? And why is this guy asking me for advice? why does he stare at me at the gym every time i enter and he stares at me like i am a hot fucking broad or a chipotle bowl and he is starving to death or something, when he is a straight male for a fact?

because bodybuilding and fitness industry is full of crazy ass motherfuckers with body dsymorphia. and too many of us start taking narcotics and develop coke addictions, like the guy i am talking about, he has a $500 a weekend cocaine problem.

do not become one of these people. use bodybuilding as your medium to a higher realm of happiness and peace with yourself. use arnold schwarzinagger as your role model, and curse craig titus every morning. seriously, look up to the bodybuilders who can smile and have a good time and a sense of humor who avoid narcotics and understand that bodybuilding is all just a game and a way to build both a better physique and a better life, and curse the individuals in this game who turn evil.

i am so fucking sick of meeting these "hard" bodybuilders who can never smile because they need 20 mg of percocet to even enter a gym. it fucking sickens me. i want this sport back in a sunnier place. i go to the gym to fucking blow off some steam and relax, and i swear i enjoy every work out and i make it into an event. i get myself so fucking pumped up for chest/bicep day that i look forward to it as if i was going into an orgy with 3 play mates waiting for me just bent over singing my  name. i get so fucking pumped up and excited for leg day because i know leg day is the FOUNDATION of your body building career, the foundation of your midsection and the foundation of all strength one can develop (best advice i have ever gotten was that upper body strength can never come without lower body strength. see what i mean and build a 4 plate on each side squat for many many reps and then go try to do your flat bench. see what I mean. you will rep that shit like an nfl linebacker).

so be happy. get excited to go to the gym. never get depressed because you had to miss a shot or two because you went on a trip with your girlfriend or you only got to the gym 3 times in a week instead of 5 because you went on a trip with your parents. fuck that shit. this is your life and bodybuilding is an ANCILLARY to your life.

you body build to live. never live to body build.
Outstanding post.


Title: Re: Addressing and amending certain "truths" from the steroid section
Post by: Overload on April 17, 2012, 05:59:21 AM
thanks i try to help. i've been through a huge amount of mud in the hormone game in the last few years, and i have learned a ton through the process and i just want to help others.

i am not longer even considering going pro, and will never compete again. however, i am 225-230 depending on what i eat @ under 6 % year round, and i think that quantifies me enough to at least state some things i believe are true in this game. and i also have had the pleasure of getting to know many top amateurs and 2 pros on a real level, and big names in fitness modeling and modeling in general (i was with a top top agency for 2 years) and let me tell you everyone is on hormones. even certain models who are 6'2'' and 175 lbs are on hormones. everyone is on hormones. there is no such thing as natural. david the 40 year old 5'5'', 140 lb guy whose arms are just a little too large to be natural because of how cut he is is certainly on hgh and tren. it is no question. there is no natural. and the 6'2'', 250 lb fitness model who claims he is on a "bit of gear" is actually on 1.5 grams of test, 1200 mg EQ weekly, 100-150 mg tren ace daily and 10 iu of pharmacy grade GH every single day. these are real people that i saw today. i am not making these up as examples. these are two people from today. two liars, who i happen to know exactly what they take due to the fact that they both beg me to disclose my stack, and i refuse to disclose anything to anyone who won't be 100% honest with me in person about what they are on.

when the 6'2'' 250 6% fitness model recently signed to willhemina told me he was on a "bit of gear" i told him to get the fuck out of here. he wanted my stack. i don't blame him. the fitness/bodybuilding industry is full of head games and psychopaths and body dsymorphia. this guy who has near to a perfect build, and is on a practically PERFECT stack, is begging me for my stack when he has an equally good physique as me. and when he told me his stack, the only thing i could recommend to him was to add in anavar and primo and take out the EQ because of his specific goals. i mean, what do you recommend to a guy who is 250 lbs @ 6% and is on 1.5 grams of pharm grade test, 1200 mg of REAL equipoise, and 100-150 mg daily of tren ace from a top source as well as 10 iu daily of SEROSTIM out of all the fucking hgh out there. What do you recommend? And why is this guy asking me for advice? why does he stare at me at the gym every time i enter and he stares at me like i am a hot fucking broad or a chipotle bowl and he is starving to death or something, when he is a straight male for a fact?

because bodybuilding and fitness industry is full of crazy ass motherfuckers with body dsymorphia. and too many of us start taking narcotics and develop coke addictions, like the guy i am talking about, he has a $500 a weekend cocaine problem.

do not become one of these people. use bodybuilding as your medium to a higher realm of happiness and peace with yourself. use arnold schwarzinagger as your role model, and curse craig titus every morning. seriously, look up to the bodybuilders who can smile and have a good time and a sense of humor who avoid narcotics and understand that bodybuilding is all just a game and a way to build both a better physique and a better life, and curse the individuals in this game who turn evil.

i am so fucking sick of meeting these "hard" bodybuilders who can never smile because they need 20 mg of percocet to even enter a gym. it fucking sickens me. i want this sport back in a sunnier place. i go to the gym to fucking blow off some steam and relax, and i swear i enjoy every work out and i make it into an event. i get myself so fucking pumped up for chest/bicep day that i look forward to it as if i was going into an orgy with 3 play mates waiting for me just bent over singing my  name. i get so fucking pumped up and excited for leg day because i know leg day is the FOUNDATION of your body building career, the foundation of your midsection and the foundation of all strength one can develop (best advice i have ever gotten was that upper body strength can never come without lower body strength. see what i mean and build a 4 plate on each side squat for many many reps and then go try to do your flat bench. see what I mean. you will rep that shit like an nfl linebacker).

so be happy. get excited to go to the gym. never get depressed because you had to miss a shot or two because you went on a trip with your girlfriend or you only got to the gym 3 times in a week instead of 5 because you went on a trip with your parents. fuck that shit. this is your life and bodybuilding is an ANCILLARY to your life.

you body build to live. never live to body build.

Another gem.

I've worked in the industry for many years and it does seem like drugs are rampant at just about every level of competition. I have met strongmen who snorted coke before meets. Now that doesn't mean everyone is like this, but from what Smoof just posted i can say with experience that it is 100% spot on.

Most power lifters have that same "hardass" mentality and it drives me nuts. Just because you are big and strong doesn't mean you need to be an asshole and glare at people and shit. I have always been an approachable guy who was a smiling face at the power lifting events. While everyone else wore scowls on their face and was mean muggin everyone, i was walking around asking guys questions about training and helping others get ready for their lifts. It's a weird sport just like bodybuilding.


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Title: Re: Addressing and amending certain "truths" from the steroid section
Post by: D.O.U.P on April 17, 2012, 01:44:21 PM
thanks i try to help. i've been through a huge amount of mud in the hormone game in the last few years, and i have learned a ton through the process and i just want to help others.

i am not longer even considering going pro, and will never compete again. however, i am 225-230 depending on what i eat @ under 6 % year round, and i think that quantifies me enough to at least state some things i believe are true in this game. and i also have had the pleasure of getting to know many top amateurs and 2 pros on a real level, and big names in fitness modeling and modeling in general (i was with a top top agency for 2 years) and let me tell you everyone is on hormones. even certain models who are 6'2'' and 175 lbs are on hormones. everyone is on hormones. there is no such thing as natural. david the 40 year old 5'5'', 140 lb guy whose arms are just a little too large to be natural because of how cut he is is certainly on hgh and tren. it is no question. there is no natural. and the 6'2'', 250 lb fitness model who claims he is on a "bit of gear" is actually on 1.5 grams of test, 1200 mg EQ weekly, 100-150 mg tren ace daily and 10 iu of pharmacy grade GH every single day. these are real people that i saw today. i am not making these up as examples. these are two people from today. two liars, who i happen to know exactly what they take due to the fact that they both beg me to disclose my stack, and i refuse to disclose anything to anyone who won't be 100% honest with me in person about what they are on.

when the 6'2'' 250 6% fitness model recently signed to willhemina told me he was on a "bit of gear" i told him to get the fuck out of here. he wanted my stack. i don't blame him. the fitness/bodybuilding industry is full of head games and psychopaths and body dsymorphia. this guy who has near to a perfect build, and is on a practically PERFECT stack, is begging me for my stack when he has an equally good physique as me. and when he told me his stack, the only thing i could recommend to him was to add in anavar and primo and take out the EQ because of his specific goals. i mean, what do you recommend to a guy who is 250 lbs @ 6% and is on 1.5 grams of pharm grade test, 1200 mg of REAL equipoise, and 100-150 mg daily of tren ace from a top source as well as 10 iu daily of SEROSTIM out of all the fucking hgh out there. What do you recommend? And why is this guy asking me for advice? why does he stare at me at the gym every time i enter and he stares at me like i am a hot fucking broad or a chipotle bowl and he is starving to death or something, when he is a straight male for a fact?

because bodybuilding and fitness industry is full of crazy ass motherfuckers with body dsymorphia. and too many of us start taking narcotics and develop coke addictions, like the guy i am talking about, he has a $500 a weekend cocaine problem.

do not become one of these people. use bodybuilding as your medium to a higher realm of happiness and peace with yourself. use arnold schwarzinagger as your role model, and curse craig titus every morning. seriously, look up to the bodybuilders who can smile and have a good time and a sense of humor who avoid narcotics and understand that bodybuilding is all just a game and a way to build both a better physique and a better life, and curse the individuals in this game who turn evil.

i am so fucking sick of meeting these "hard" bodybuilders who can never smile because they need 20 mg of percocet to even enter a gym. it fucking sickens me. i want this sport back in a sunnier place. i go to the gym to fucking blow off some steam and relax, and i swear i enjoy every work out and i make it into an event. i get myself so fucking pumped up for chest/bicep day that i look forward to it as if i was going into an orgy with 3 play mates waiting for me just bent over singing my  name. i get so fucking pumped up and excited for leg day because i know leg day is the FOUNDATION of your body building career, the foundation of your midsection and the foundation of all strength one can develop (best advice i have ever gotten was that upper body strength can never come without lower body strength. see what i mean and build a 4 plate on each side squat for many many reps and then go try to do your flat bench. see what I mean. you will rep that shit like an nfl linebacker).

so be happy. get excited to go to the gym. never get depressed because you had to miss a shot or two because you went on a trip with your girlfriend or you only got to the gym 3 times in a week instead of 5 because you went on a trip with your parents. fuck that shit. this is your life and bodybuilding is an ANCILLARY to your life.

you body build to live. never live to body build.

Solid post.


Title: Re: Addressing and amending certain "truths" from the steroid section
Post by: THECHEMIST on April 17, 2012, 02:21:22 PM
thanks i try to help. i've been through a huge amount of mud in the hormone game in the last few years, and i have learned a ton through the process and i just want to help others.

i am not longer even considering going pro, and will never compete again. however, i am 225-230 depending on what i eat @ under 6 % year round, and i think that quantifies me enough to at least state some things i believe are true in this game. and i also have had the pleasure of getting to know many top amateurs and 2 pros on a real level, and big names in fitness modeling and modeling in general (i was with a top top agency for 2 years) and let me tell you everyone is on hormones. even certain models who are 6'2'' and 175 lbs are on hormones. everyone is on hormones. there is no such thing as natural. david the 40 year old 5'5'', 140 lb guy whose arms are just a little too large to be natural because of how cut he is is certainly on hgh and tren. it is no question. there is no natural. and the 6'2'', 250 lb fitness model who claims he is on a "bit of gear" is actually on 1.5 grams of test, 1200 mg EQ weekly, 100-150 mg tren ace daily and 10 iu of pharmacy grade GH every single day. these are real people that i saw today. i am not making these up as examples. these are two people from today. two liars, who i happen to know exactly what they take due to the fact that they both beg me to disclose my stack, and i refuse to disclose anything to anyone who won't be 100% honest with me in person about what they are on.

when the 6'2'' 250 6% fitness model recently signed to willhemina told me he was on a "bit of gear" i told him to get the fuck out of here. he wanted my stack. i don't blame him. the fitness/bodybuilding industry is full of head games and psychopaths and body dsymorphia. this guy who has near to a perfect build, and is on a practically PERFECT stack, is begging me for my stack when he has an equally good physique as me. and when he told me his stack, the only thing i could recommend to him was to add in anavar and primo and take out the EQ because of his specific goals. i mean, what do you recommend to a guy who is 250 lbs @ 6% and is on 1.5 grams of pharm grade test, 1200 mg of REAL equipoise, and 100-150 mg daily of tren ace from a top source as well as 10 iu daily of SEROSTIM out of all the fucking hgh out there. What do you recommend? And why is this guy asking me for advice? why does he stare at me at the gym every time i enter and he stares at me like i am a hot fucking broad or a chipotle bowl and he is starving to death or something, when he is a straight male for a fact?

because bodybuilding and fitness industry is full of crazy ass motherfuckers with body dsymorphia. and too many of us start taking narcotics and develop coke addictions, like the guy i am talking about, he has a $500 a weekend cocaine problem.

do not become one of these people. use bodybuilding as your medium to a higher realm of happiness and peace with yourself. use arnold schwarzinagger as your role model, and curse craig titus every morning. seriously, look up to the bodybuilders who can smile and have a good time and a sense of humor who avoid narcotics and understand that bodybuilding is all just a game and a way to build both a better physique and a better life, and curse the individuals in this game who turn evil.

i am so fucking sick of meeting these "hard" bodybuilders who can never smile because they need 20 mg of percocet to even enter a gym. it fucking sickens me. i want this sport back in a sunnier place. i go to the gym to fucking blow off some steam and relax, and i swear i enjoy every work out and i make it into an event. i get myself so fucking pumped up for chest/bicep day that i look forward to it as if i was going into an orgy with 3 play mates waiting for me just bent over singing my  name. i get so fucking pumped up and excited for leg day because i know leg day is the FOUNDATION of your body building career, the foundation of your midsection and the foundation of all strength one can develop (best advice i have ever gotten was that upper body strength can never come without lower body strength. see what i mean and build a 4 plate on each side squat for many many reps and then go try to do your flat bench. see what I mean. you will rep that shit like an nfl linebacker).

so be happy. get excited to go to the gym. never get depressed because you had to miss a shot or two because you went on a trip with your girlfriend or you only got to the gym 3 times in a week instead of 5 because you went on a trip with your parents. fuck that shit. this is your life and bodybuilding is an ANCILLARY to your life.

you body build to live. never live to body build.
straight truth, thanks for the post


Title: Re: Addressing and amending certain "truths" from the steroid section
Post by: THECHEMIST on April 17, 2012, 02:26:49 PM
smoofcat, how much sus250 should i run with 700mg tren ace, 800mg primo E, 500mg masteron prop, 8iu hgh, and 100mg var ED?