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Title: UFC 146 - Overeem out, Mir in against Dos Santos
Post by: Tyr on April 20, 2012, 09:16:46 PM

Alistair Overeem will get his day in front of the Nevada State Athletic Commission next week, but UFC officials aren't waiting around.

UFC president Dana White announced late Friday night that Overeem has been pulled from the main event of UFC 146, and Frank Mir will now face Junior Dos Santos for the UFC heavyweight title.

Mir was originally expected to face Cain Velasquez. White did not immediately reveal if Velasquez will receive a new opponent.


Title: Re: Overeem out, Mir in against Dos Santos at UFC 146
Post by: DK II on April 20, 2012, 10:03:03 PM
Fuck UFC


Title: Re: Overeem out, Mir in against Dos Santos at UFC 146
Post by: GraniteCityDon on April 21, 2012, 03:15:53 AM
Mir will likely think hes good enough to stand and trade and end up sleeping in round 1. If he decides to change tact and get JDS to the ground then its a massive opportunity for him to claim redemption for his past title failures, however JDS is not an over the hill Crocop or a battle weakened Big Nog. He should not think hes comfortable enough to stand and trade and, obvious or not, implement a strategy whereby he manages to get on top of a grounded JDS.

Id have preferred it to be Vs Overeem stylistically but it is what it is.


Title: Re: Overeem out, Mir in against Dos Santos at UFC 146
Post by: King Shizzo on April 21, 2012, 04:30:24 AM
Woooooooooooooooo!!!!!! ;D  My favorite fighter gets his chance at the belt again!  This is the last image Dos Santos will see before he goes to sleep!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Title: Re: Overeem out, Mir in against Dos Santos at UFC 146
Post by: bigmc on April 21, 2012, 07:50:31 AM
Mir will likely think hes good enough to stand and trade and end up sleeping in round 1. If he decides to change tact and get JDS to the ground then its a massive opportunity for him to claim redemption for his past title failures, however JDS is not an over the hill Crocop or a battle weakened Big Nog. He should not think hes comfortable enough to stand and trade and, obvious or not, implement a strategy whereby he manages to get on top of a grounded JDS.

Id have preferred it to be Vs Overeem stylistically but it is what it is.

mir is much better than you give him credit for

on his day he can beat anyone


Title: Re: Overeem out, Mir in against Dos Santos at UFC 146
Post by: Geo on April 21, 2012, 08:13:26 AM
I like the Velaquez/Mir match up better for some reason...

don't really see JDS as a guy's who gonna be on top for all that long but that's not to say I see Mir beating him either..

still think Cain is the future of the division,I just think he got caught and would bet money he'll beat JDS when they do it again


Title: Re: Overeem out, Mir in against Dos Santos at UFC 146
Post by: Gosling31977 on April 21, 2012, 08:13:26 AM
mir is much better than you give him credit for

on his day he can beat anyone

 I agree there, MIR is overlooked by many due to his cocky attitude, but the man can turn a fight around fast . Like to see him win since overeem is out.  I still say Dana is pissed over the REEM taking out his cash cow.  I mean cmon Reem is the only fighter using  ,, hahah thats funny shit .


Title: Re: Overeem out, Mir in against Dos Santos at UFC 146
Post by: GraniteCityDon on April 21, 2012, 02:13:24 PM
mir is much better than you give him credit for

on his day he can beat anyone

He has incredible skills at his disposal yes, believe me years ago he was my possibly my favourite HW. I think he is just not good enough to be considered amongst the very best in the world. When he decided to trade with Carwin he was dismantled. Carwin tried to trade with JDS and was torn apart. I know its not as clear as "MMA math" makes it but realistically the standup is NOT where Mir can win this fight - if he manages to get JDS down then who knows?

I have not been THAT impressed by his performances for a number of years, the Big Nog sub was phenomenal but IMO that was more Nog being at fault for not finishing than Mir stamping the foot of authority. But as they say, no HW fighter has defended the strap more than 2 times so its anyone's guess as to what will happen come fight night.


Title: Re: Overeem out, Mir in against Dos Santos at UFC 146
Post by: suckmymuscle on April 21, 2012, 04:55:43 PM
Woooooooooooooooo!!!!!! ;D  My favorite fighter gets his chance at the belt again!  This is the last image Dos Santos will see before he goes to sleep!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


  You are a delusional fucktard...JDS will kill him in 2 minutes or less.

SUCKMYMUSCLE


Title: Re: Overeem out, Mir in against Dos Santos at UFC 146
Post by: coltrane on April 21, 2012, 06:34:59 PM
If Mir stands with him he's out fast.  No question.

However, Mir has a helluva ground game with jitz.  If he can get jds down, he's got a great chance I believe. I just don't thing jds will let it get to that point.

Could be an upset here.  Mir is just Sooo slow on his feet.   Idk.

Rooting for Mir though.


Title: Re: Overeem out, Mir in against Dos Santos at UFC 146
Post by: jparker on April 21, 2012, 06:51:46 PM
Mir seems to like getting punched in his face by big dudes... But i'll root for Mir


Title: Re: Overeem out, Mir in against Dos Santos at UFC 146
Post by: suckmymuscle on April 21, 2012, 07:04:31 PM
If Mir stands with him he's out fast.  No question.

However, Mir has a helluva ground game with jitz.  If he can get jds down, he's got a great chance I believe. I just don't thing jds will let it get to that point.

Could be an upset here.  Mir is just Sooo slow on his feet.   Idk.


  Not saying that Mir cannot win this fight. I am criticizing what he said about Mir KOing JDS which is just retarded.

  A brain-damaged 36 year-old Nog almost KOd Mir, and yet he thinks that Mir is going to KO the most talented boxer in the HW division who also happens to have a granite chin. Delusional.
 
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Rooting for Mir though.

  Of course you are, since you are an UFC guy to the extreme.

SUCKMYMUSCLE


Title: Re: Overeem out, Mir in against Dos Santos at UFC 146
Post by: 20inch calves on April 22, 2012, 01:10:32 AM
not excited about this fight at all. i am very disappointed in overeem being taken off.. i know they almost had but man its a disappointment. its really the only fight i was looking forward to seeing


Title: Re: Overeem out, Mir in against Dos Santos at UFC 146
Post by: Geo on April 22, 2012, 08:58:33 PM
this'll set the stage for Velasquez/JDS II

Silva will never get of out of the 1st round with Velaquez


Title: Re: UFC 146 - Overeem out, Mir in against Dos Santos
Post by: coltrane on April 24, 2012, 08:30:01 AM
Another thing that I sometimes think about is that JDS went the distance with Country and Carwin, two slow HWs. 

I'm telling you..  Mir has a decent shot in this fight if he can get JDS down..


Title: Re: UFC 146 - Overeem out, Mir in against Dos Santos
Post by: King Shizzo on April 24, 2012, 02:55:21 PM
Mir can beat anyone who doesn't have a significant size/strength advantage over him.  He can beat JDS and Cain.


Title: Re: UFC 146 - Overeem out, Mir in against Dos Santos
Post by: suckmymuscle on April 24, 2012, 03:56:35 PM
  I think you guys are saying that Mir can win just because he is American and JDS is not.

  Face it: JDS will box Mir into a coma.

  Mir does not have the takedowns and strength to make this a ground fight, and he does not have the speed and head movement to evade JDS's strikes.

  What can he do in this fight? Out-box JDS? LOL. Use Muay Thai kicks to wear his knees out and then take him down? JDS is too fast to get caught with many of those.

  Mir's only chance is to get him down, and if 280 lbs wrestler Carwin couldn't do it, how is Mir going to do it?

  And even in the unlikely event that Mir takes him down, it is not a sure thing that he can submit JDS since he has a brown belt in BJJ.

  JDS is going to kill Mir.

SUCKMYMUSCLE


Title: Re: UFC 146 - Overeem out, Mir in against Dos Santos
Post by: GraniteCityDon on April 24, 2012, 04:04:59 PM
Another thing that I sometimes think about is that JDS went the distance with Country and Carwin, two slow HWs. 

I'm telling you..  Mir has a decent shot in this fight if he can get JDS down..

Both have iron chins, its more than respectable to have both of them as W's on your resume whereas Mir has no chin at all and will be put down within 2 rounds. I see no possible way he can win, i genuinely cant believe hes been given a title shot to be honest. If he went over to Strikeforce he would be lucky to rank top 3 in that promotion as Sergei would likely put him to sleep.

Easy night for JDS, tragic for Mir.


Title: Re: UFC 146 - Overeem out, Mir in against Dos Santos
Post by: King Shizzo on April 25, 2012, 02:56:25 PM
Both have iron chins, its more than respectable to have both of them as W's on your resume whereas Mir has no chin at all and will be put down within 2 rounds. I see no possible way he can win, i genuinely cant believe hes been given a title shot to be honest. If he went over to Strikeforce he would be lucky to rank top 3 in that promotion as Sergei would likely put him to sleep.

Easy night for JDS, tragic for Mir.
Who would you have take Overeem's place then?  Mir is the only logical HW at this point.


Title: Re: UFC 146 - Overeem out, Mir in against Dos Santos
Post by: GraniteCityDon on April 25, 2012, 03:20:28 PM
I would genuinely prefer to have had Werdum in there instead of Mir, OK he lost a decision to Overeem but he has the ability to give anyone a hard fight and im sure he would love another crack at JDS. The HW division is not exceptionally strong right now - as evidenced on Mir's title shot - but there are atleast options available. Hunt is also on a roll, be it against much lesser opponents, and then there is Cain. Surely a former champion is worthy of a rematch now that he is fit again and have Mir fight Bigfoot / Werdum to see who is next in line?

I dont see the logic in it myself as he was horrible against Mirko, average against Nelson and poor against Big Nog until the finish. JDS is going to demolish him & if this lasts less than half a round (there is every chance of this) then there will be a hell of alot of disgruntled fans airing negative views about the fighter selection.


Title: Re: UFC 146 - Overeem out, Mir in against Dos Santos
Post by: King Shizzo on April 25, 2012, 04:38:36 PM
I would genuinely prefer to have had Werdum in there instead of Mir, OK he lost a decision to Overeem but he has the ability to give anyone a hard fight and im sure he would love another crack at JDS. The HW division is not exceptionally strong right now - as evidenced on Mir's title shot - but there are atleast options available. Hunt is also on a roll, be it against much lesser opponents, and then there is Cain. Surely a former champion is worthy of a rematch now that he is fit again and have Mir fight Bigfoot / Werdum to see who is next in line?

I dont see the logic in it myself as he was horrible against Mirko, average against Nelson and poor against Big Nog until the finish. JDS is going to demolish him & if this lasts less than half a round (there is every chance of this) then there will be a hell of alot of disgruntled fans airing negative views about the fighter selection.
Mir is a love me/ hate me type of guy.  He will sell way more tickects/ppv's then Werdum would.  The average fan has no idea who werdum is.


Title: Re: UFC 146 - Overeem out, Mir in against Dos Santos
Post by: suckmymuscle on April 25, 2012, 08:22:06 PM
Mir is a love me/ hate me type of guy.  He will sell way more tickects/ppv's then Werdum would.  The average fan has no idea who werdum is.

  Werdum has achieved mythical stature as the guy who gave Fedor his first genuine loss. And this status is made greater by the fact that the other two losses were not very convincing, as the second was a medical stoppage and the other an early stoppage.

SUCKMYMUSCLE


Title: Re: UFC 146 - Overeem out, Mir in against Dos Santos
Post by: coltrane on April 26, 2012, 06:55:55 AM
  Werdum has achieved mythical stature as the guy who gave Fedor his first genuine loss. And this status is made greater by the fact that the other two losses were not very convincing, as the second was a medical stoppage and the other an early stoppage.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

Gotta give the devil his due on this one.

I agree.


Title: Re: UFC 146 - Overeem out, Mir in against Dos Santos
Post by: bigmc on May 01, 2012, 07:31:39 AM
  Werdum has achieved mythical stature as the guy who gave Fedor his first genuine loss. And this status is made greater by the fact that the other two losses were not very convincing, as the second was a medical stoppage and the other an early stoppage.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

you should respect that people have different opinions to you

you would come across less like a pompous twat then


Title: Re: UFC 146 - Overeem out, Mir in against Dos Santos
Post by: HICKSON on May 02, 2012, 07:52:07 AM
  I think you guys are saying that Mir can win just because he is American and JDS is not.

  Face it: JDS will box Mir into a coma.

  Mir does not have the takedowns and strength to make this a ground fight, and he does not have the speed and head movement to evade JDS's strikes.

  What can he do in this fight? Out-box JDS? LOL. Use Muay Thai kicks to wear his knees out and then take him down? JDS is too fast to get caught with many of those.

  Mir's only chance is to get him down, and if 280 lbs wrestler Carwin couldn't do it, how is Mir going to do it?

  And even in the unlikely event that Mir takes him down, it is not a sure thing that he can submit JDS since he has a brown belt in BJJ.

  JDS is going to kill Mir.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

QFT!


Title: Re: UFC 146 - Overeem out, Mir in against Dos Santos
Post by: King Shizzo on May 02, 2012, 03:49:44 PM
 I think you guys are saying that Mir can win just because he is American and JDS is not.

  Face it: JDS will box Mir into a coma.

  Mir does not have the takedowns and strength to make this a ground fight, and he does not have the speed and head movement to evade JDS's strikes.

  What can he do in this fight? Out-box JDS? LOL. Use Muay Thai kicks to wear his knees out and then take him down? JDS is too fast to get caught with many of those.

  Mir's only chance is to get him down, and if 280 lbs wrestler Carwin couldn't do it, how is Mir going to do it?

  And even in the unlikely event that Mir takes him down, it is not a sure thing that he can submit JDS since he has a brown belt in BJJ.

  JDS is going to kill Mir.

SUCKMYMUSCLE
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