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Title: Hardest bodyparts to develop as a natural
Post by: #1 Klaus fan on April 23, 2012, 07:25:04 AM
Must be shoulders and hamstrings.  :-\


Title: Re: Hardest bodyparts to develop as a natural
Post by: 240 is Back on April 23, 2012, 07:26:59 AM
shoulders, quads


Title: Re: Hardest bodyparts to develop as a natural
Post by: bradistani on April 23, 2012, 07:28:43 AM
chest. its all genetics though. what's hard for one won't always be the same for the other .


Title: Re: Hardest bodyparts to develop as a natural
Post by: smoothasf on April 23, 2012, 07:29:48 AM
 Pregnant belly and bubble cheeks


Title: Re: Hardest bodyparts to develop as a natural
Post by: El Diablo Blanco on April 23, 2012, 07:35:42 AM
penis


Title: Re: Hardest bodyparts to develop as a natural
Post by: Charlys69 on April 23, 2012, 07:42:30 AM
i also say shoulders & neck. Why ? in the Shoulder neck region are the most androgen-receptors, so that region responds very good "on juice".

Another problem "Natural Competitors" (not good feeded naturals) have, are low levels of testosterone. On a diet the endogen production of androgen Hormones is lower than in "non training Naturals" (ok, most non trainers are natty...)


Title: Re: Hardest bodyparts to develop as a natural
Post by: Fortress on April 23, 2012, 07:48:49 AM
Well, this is debatable, but I'll tell ya what bodypart is the FIRST to show when an individual begins using ... traps, hands down.

Dead giveaway.


Title: Re: Hardest bodyparts to develop as a natural
Post by: bike nut on April 23, 2012, 07:50:53 AM
I'd say chest...



Title: Re: Hardest bodyparts to develop as a natural
Post by: JasonH on April 23, 2012, 07:52:24 AM
Calves.

If you haven't got them to begin with then you're screwed.


Title: Re: Hardest bodyparts to develop as a natural
Post by: Pecs on April 23, 2012, 07:53:19 AM
calves, forearms, hamstrings....for myself that is


Title: Re: Hardest bodyparts to develop as a natural
Post by: EatYouForBreakfast on April 23, 2012, 07:54:11 AM
I'd say chest...



Forsure. To build a full chest is damn hard as a natty.


Title: Re: Hardest bodyparts to develop as a natural
Post by: El Diablo Blanco on April 23, 2012, 07:54:11 AM
calves, forearms, hamstrings....for myself that is
You named the three parts that even the most roided out IFBB pro have trouble with.  These are genetics man.


Title: Re: Hardest bodyparts to develop as a natural
Post by: nkhp on April 23, 2012, 07:54:39 AM
Traps for sure


Title: Re: Hardest bodyparts to develop as a natural
Post by: supernick on April 23, 2012, 07:59:28 AM
def delts, ALSO U NEVER LOOK pumped up unless u in the gym


Title: Re: Hardest bodyparts to develop as a natural
Post by: gmflex on April 23, 2012, 08:13:54 AM
Traps for sure








Qft :'(



Title: Re: Hardest bodyparts to develop as a natural
Post by: evser on April 23, 2012, 08:15:06 AM
I think its always your weakest bodypart. My weakest is chest whether on or off. i swear my shoulders explode just looking at gear


Title: Re: Hardest bodyparts to develop as a natural
Post by: Fallsview on April 23, 2012, 08:16:38 AM
Traps, Calves, abs.


Title: Re: Hardest bodyparts to develop as a natural
Post by: Nirvana on April 23, 2012, 09:07:54 AM
i never trained traps and always had good traps and thick neck. traps don't mean shit whether you're on juice or not.




Title: Re: Hardest bodyparts to develop as a natural
Post by: njflex on April 23, 2012, 09:11:43 AM
probably great full delts.....chest,legs,calves,back to an extent i did ok,,,but you have to be at it a long time to reap what you could accomplish in a few cycles  :-\.


Title: Re: Hardest bodyparts to develop as a natural
Post by: MORTALCOIL on April 23, 2012, 09:12:14 AM
The GH gut is really hard to achieve as a natural.


Title: Re: Hardest bodyparts to develop as a natural
Post by: BB on April 23, 2012, 09:13:00 AM
Legs, shoulders, traps. You can have half way decent shoulders and traps as a natural, but it's a much different look.


Title: Re: Hardest bodyparts to develop as a natural
Post by: dfresh on April 23, 2012, 09:29:06 AM
chest hands down,,,and i hate it >:(


Title: Re: Hardest bodyparts to develop as a natural
Post by: dynamike on April 23, 2012, 09:30:45 AM
Forehead.

Oh wait....nevermind.

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Title: Re: Hardest bodyparts to develop as a natural
Post by: kimo on April 23, 2012, 09:31:03 AM
calves . but we have all bodyparts that we see more important than others .. for me a big chest is not that important .


Title: Re: Hardest bodyparts to develop as a natural
Post by: dfresh on April 23, 2012, 09:34:38 AM
calves . but we have all bodyparts that we see more important than others .. for me a big chest is not that important .

complete opposite here man, i have good calves and not so good chest


Title: Re: Hardest bodyparts to develop as a natural
Post by: RustyTrenbolona on April 23, 2012, 09:36:31 AM
This guy is fully natural and doesnt seem to have any of the aforementioned issues ???

(http://i40.tinypic.com/6px43o.jpg)


Title: Re: Hardest bodyparts to develop as a natural
Post by: kimo on April 23, 2012, 09:36:50 AM
then train chest . . .. hamstrings should be easy to develop deadlift off platform with heavy weights sets of low reps .. fast twithch muscle .


Title: Re: Hardest bodyparts to develop as a natural
Post by: mik1111 on April 23, 2012, 09:46:57 AM
i never trained traps and always had good traps and thick neck. traps don't mean shit whether you're on juice or not.
x2

the hardest bodypart to grow is whatever your worst bodypart is... and the best is what grows the best as a natural


Title: Re: Hardest bodyparts to develop as a natural
Post by: dfresh on April 23, 2012, 10:13:40 AM
then train chest . . .. hamstrings should be easy to develop deadlift off platform with heavy weights sets of low reps .. fast twithch muscle .

i do lol, or are you saying exclusively?


Title: Re: Hardest bodyparts to develop as a natural
Post by: SF1900 on April 23, 2012, 10:23:24 AM
For me its chest.

No problem developing shoulders.


Title: Re: Hardest bodyparts to develop as a natural
Post by: Dr Dutch on April 23, 2012, 11:31:10 AM
Side delts, hams, upper chest.


Title: Re: Hardest bodyparts to develop as a natural
Post by: mesmorph78 on April 23, 2012, 11:49:41 AM
calves


Title: Re: Hardest bodyparts to develop as a natural
Post by: Dr Dutch on April 23, 2012, 11:51:11 AM
I don't think juicing will make your calves explode....


Title: Re: Hardest bodyparts to develop as a natural
Post by: Palpatine Q on April 23, 2012, 11:52:42 AM
it's person by person.



Title: Re: Hardest bodyparts to develop as a natural
Post by: randy841 on April 23, 2012, 12:09:51 PM
Biceps - hard to develop them on/off.

Maybe i simply don't like the shape and structure of the muscles. There are Chihuahuas with more developed front legs than my biceps. ;D IMHO this has more to do with the cards that we are handed at birth. Look at your parents, and look at your ancestors for prime examples. Henceforth, our genetic predisposition plays a huge part, as much as we try to overcome it with the use of hormones. Always had chest, shoulders, traps - even the legs like i was juiced to the gills, then the arms show up and the game is over. It looks like i never touched a weight.


Title: Re: Hardest bodyparts to develop as a natural
Post by: El Diablo Blanco on April 23, 2012, 12:15:41 PM
I don't think juicing will make your calves explode....

Nope, just ask Ronnie Coleman and Dennis Wolf.


Title: Re: Hardest bodyparts to develop as a natural
Post by: wes on April 23, 2012, 12:17:54 PM
it's person by person.


^THIS^


Title: Re: Hardest bodyparts to develop as a natural
Post by: hench on April 23, 2012, 12:24:30 PM
exactly
^THIS^


Title: Re: Hardest bodyparts to develop as a natural
Post by: Dr Dutch on April 23, 2012, 12:25:26 PM
exactly
this exactly...


Title: Re: Hardest bodyparts to develop as a natural
Post by: TooMuchMuscle4U on April 23, 2012, 12:26:44 PM
I have a decent chest...my arms could get a little bigger

Dont want the bloof though.


Title: Re: Hardest bodyparts to develop as a natural
Post by: kevcat on April 23, 2012, 12:32:21 PM
Definetly everyones different! Cool topic n all but ask 50 diffrent people and there will be alot of diffrent answers! For me personally itd be shoulders and quads! My calves are real good considerin i was always skinny, yet my quads hardly budge apart from lookin better than what i started with! Yes i squat and have pretty decent numbers! Just one of those things which i dont really bother about anymore


Title: Re: Hardest bodyparts to develop as a natural
Post by: chrisdaniel33 on April 23, 2012, 02:06:30 PM
Everyone varies But Fully developed and proportional delts are the hardest.   


Title: Re: Hardest bodyparts to develop as a natural
Post by: che on April 23, 2012, 02:12:36 PM
Arms, chest, legs ,back, abs .


Title: Re: Hardest bodyparts to develop as a natural
Post by: BigCyp on April 24, 2012, 02:20:38 AM
Muscles.


Title: Re: Hardest bodyparts to develop as a natural
Post by: Jon Harridan on April 24, 2012, 02:25:18 AM
It must be the lats. Tony Pearson and Lee Haney had great wings.


Title: Re: Hardest bodyparts to develop as a natural
Post by: Naggash on April 24, 2012, 02:26:04 AM
Definately chest fo rme

Shoulders and traps are probably my strongest.

I like it in a way though, since very few guys seem to have real good shoulder and trap genetics.


Title: Re: Hardest bodyparts to develop as a natural
Post by: garebear on April 24, 2012, 02:26:30 AM
The butt. (No homo)


Title: Re: Hardest bodyparts to develop as a natural
Post by: devilsmile on April 24, 2012, 02:28:55 AM
lower body and midsection = easyest

back = second easyest

chest, shoulders and arms = impossible

 :D


Title: Re: Hardest bodyparts to develop as a natural
Post by: YngiweRhoads on April 24, 2012, 02:59:01 AM
My entire upper body is easy to develop, save for my crappy forearms.

Legs have always been tough for me so I hit them hardest and most often.


Title: Re: Hardest bodyparts to develop as a natural
Post by: supernick on April 24, 2012, 03:07:33 AM
suprises me that a lot of u say chest,, most naturals i know seem to develop decent chests


Title: Re: Hardest bodyparts to develop as a natural
Post by: Ronnie Rep on April 24, 2012, 03:19:34 AM
once again it's all about genetics!


Title: Re: Hardest bodyparts to develop as a natural
Post by: Tito24 on April 24, 2012, 03:34:30 AM
thats depends what you call shoulders. offcourse naturals cant grow melon sized delts but im pretty happy with my width and puny nattie delts.


Title: Re: Hardest bodyparts to develop as a natural
Post by: Tito24 on April 24, 2012, 03:36:55 AM
calves at 1!!

and traps hard to develop????? they grow the easiest on me.


Title: Re: Hardest bodyparts to develop as a natural
Post by: devilsmile on April 24, 2012, 10:59:29 AM
suprises me that a lot of u say chest,, most naturals i know seem to develop decent chests

what's your exact location?


Title: Re: Hardest bodyparts to develop as a natural
Post by: supernick on April 24, 2012, 11:14:11 AM
what's your exact location?
o im at your moms house, having my way with her as we speak.


Title: Re: Hardest bodyparts to develop as a natural
Post by: devilsmile on April 24, 2012, 11:21:25 AM
o im at your moms house, having my way with her as we speak.

she's working on the streets tonight, sucker, try again


Title: Re: Hardest bodyparts to develop as a natural
Post by: hench on April 24, 2012, 12:07:47 PM
It's strange, before I began working out I was skinny and narrow but I could pull a most muscular and have decent looking traps.
Nowadays I only train to maintain and hit shoulders once a week, I easily keep good traps and shoulder width
Definately chest fo rme

Shoulders and traps are probably my strongest.

I like it in a way though, since very few guys seem to have real good shoulder and trap genetics.


Title: Re: Hardest bodyparts to develop as a natural
Post by: Dr Dutch on April 24, 2012, 12:08:44 PM
If you are natural it's hard to develop the anal sphincter.....now think about this one.


Title: Re: Hardest bodyparts to develop as a natural
Post by: doriancutlerman on April 24, 2012, 01:14:00 PM
Hardest bodyparts to develop as a natural....



uh, lets see...how about...everything :D


upper chest, round shoulders come hardest to most ppl.

Haha!

You stole my line. 

After those first three years of natty training or so (perhaps less), it's a war to gain just a little every year.  I tease him from time to time, but guys like Adonis deserve credit inasmuch as they realize they're delusional at getting 20" arms natty and focus instead on getting and staying really lean.  Before I went to the Dark Side, I wish I had done that. 



Title: Re: Hardest bodyparts to develop as a natural
Post by: kimo on June 06, 2012, 06:49:07 AM
calves . some say the evetual size and shape seems determined by genetics more than other bodyparts . robby robinson trained them never got them .


Title: Re: Hardest bodyparts to develop as a natural
Post by: Dr Dutch on June 06, 2012, 12:31:57 PM
 ???  CAN YOU DEVELOP BODYPARTS NATURALLY ????     ???


Title: Re: Hardest bodyparts to develop as a natural
Post by: _bruce_ on June 06, 2012, 12:43:28 PM
If you are natural it's hard to develop the anal sphincter.....now think about this one.

Lie.
Mariusz built it up to donut size via forced constipation.


Title: Re: Hardest bodyparts to develop as a natural
Post by: Dr Dutch on June 06, 2012, 12:55:40 PM
oh yes, the following:

hair

teeth

fat ;D


Thank God...I'm making good gains in at least one of these..


Title: Re: Hardest bodyparts to develop as a natural
Post by: Nomad on June 06, 2012, 01:18:03 PM
Shoulders and chest.


Title: Re: Hardest bodyparts to develop as a natural
Post by: Cutlet767 on June 06, 2012, 01:27:04 PM
Stupid thread. There is no one "bodypart". Genetics dictates what you will develop. Some have huge chests natty. Others huge delts. Especially black guys have big delts, but poor calves.


Title: Re: Hardest bodyparts to develop as a natural
Post by: OTHstrong on June 06, 2012, 01:35:37 PM
I know it varies per individual but if I were to say what muscle group is the most underdeveloped on naturals more often then not, HANDS DOWN it's the lower back,. no natural has a thick lower back, in fact even the ones that juice at the lower doses develope no muscle in that area.


Title: Re: Hardest bodyparts to develop as a natural
Post by: garebear on June 06, 2012, 09:32:42 PM
Can't the roid users and natties come together as one?

WE'RE ALL BROTHERS IN IRON!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Title: Re: Hardest bodyparts to develop as a natural
Post by: chess315 on June 06, 2012, 09:36:09 PM
suprises me that a lot of u say chest,, most naturals i know seem to develop decent chests
I agree ego lifting heavy benching seems to work much better for the chest then most muscles imo


Title: Re: Hardest bodyparts to develop as a natural
Post by: OTHstrong on June 06, 2012, 09:36:43 PM
Can't the roid users and natties come together as one?

WE'RE ALL BROTHERS IN IRON!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I hear you :)

However, ..2 different worlds, different propectives, different goals, different priorities, and different progressions


Title: Re: Hardest bodyparts to develop as a natural
Post by: Krankenstein on June 07, 2012, 04:01:16 AM
I know it varies per individual but if I were to say what muscle group is the most underdeveloped on naturals more often then not, HANDS DOWN it's the lower back,. no natural has a thick lower back, in fact even the ones that juice at the lower doses develope no muscle in that area.

In my opinion, the reason the low back isnt developed on most of them are for these reasons:

1) they dont want to do things like deadlifts because the exercise is 'worthless' / builds a 'thicker waist'
2) If not complete deads, they will rely on 'rack deads' because they read about DoggCrap and he recommends is
3) stack the shit out of some poorly designed low back extension machine rather than doing them right
4) Refuse to do hyperextensions because its a 'pussy exercise'
5) Partial squats...the ol' 3" depth is good enough to keep adding weight to the bar....


Title: Re: Hardest bodyparts to develop as a natural
Post by: Ronnie Rep on June 07, 2012, 05:22:08 AM
Chest for me! Arms shoulders back and legs not a problem! Genetics!


Title: Re: Hardest bodyparts to develop as a natural
Post by: ritch on June 07, 2012, 09:57:57 AM
it's totally individual, this thread makes no sense.


Title: Re: Hardest bodyparts to develop as a natural
Post by: umustsacrifice on June 07, 2012, 10:23:41 AM
WHAT RITCH SAID... come on guys and gals you really want to put up some imaginary wall on your development?...ARE THAT MANY OF YOU LOOKING FOR  REASON TO FAIL?!  the only truth is we cannot get as overall large as a user. if some of you want to screw up your mind with that kinda thinking go ahead, but your really simply showing how weak your mind is and nothing else. keep on going with your broscience and you will never complete your goals.


Title: Re: Hardest bodyparts to develop as a natural
Post by: #1 Klaus fan on June 07, 2012, 11:33:13 AM
blaa blaa blaa.



Title: Re: Hardest bodyparts to develop as a natural
Post by: Wiggs on June 07, 2012, 12:59:28 PM
Chest


Title: Re: Hardest bodyparts to develop as a natural
Post by: Jaime on June 07, 2012, 01:12:14 PM
WHAT RITCH SAID... come on guys and gals you really want to put up some imaginary wall on your development?...ARE THAT MANY OF YOU LOOKING FOR  REASON TO FAIL?!  the only truth is we cannot get as overall large as a user. if some of you want to screw up your mind with that kinda thinking go ahead, but your really simply showing how weak your mind is and nothing else. keep on going with your broscience and you will never complete your goals.



Bullshit, genetics dictates what grows and what doesn't on gear and even more so off gear.


Title: Re: Hardest bodyparts to develop as a natural
Post by: umustsacrifice on June 07, 2012, 01:43:31 PM

Bullshit, genetics dictates what grows and what doesn't on gear and even more so off gear.
exctly you dumb ass! you cant read? being natural has zero to do with it... sit down and shut up if your not going to read before you react.


Title: Re: Hardest bodyparts to develop as a natural
Post by: Marlo Stanfield on June 07, 2012, 01:48:46 PM
Must be shoulders and hamstrings.  :-\

all depends on your genetics... some naturals have great delts, some have great arms...


Title: Re: Hardest bodyparts to develop as a natural
Post by: Jaime on June 07, 2012, 01:51:25 PM
exctly you dumb ass! you cant read? being natural has zero to do with it... sit down and shut up if your not going to read before you react.


What's your exact location bitch? A storm is coming.


Title: Re: Hardest bodyparts to develop as a natural
Post by: TommyBoy on June 07, 2012, 05:09:27 PM
Personally it has been my arms and shoulders. Luckily I don't even have to train my calves and they stay a good inch bigger than my arms (striated) and I suppose I have good chest genetics because I don't think I've seen to many naturals at my body weight (5'10 180lbs) with my chest development and I can't use a lot of weight with my chest pressing exercises. I do have a good mind/muscle connection going on there though, I feel every rep. My quads/glutes have also been very good responders over the years. My back is nothing special looks wise (I can't see the damned thing really) but on good days I can do reps of 3-5 with a 100-110lb dumbbell when I do pull ups.

And it is what everyone here is saying....it's all genetics for what will be your hard responders. Don't make excuses either way, just freaking push some weight.


Title: Re: Hardest bodyparts to develop as a natural
Post by: Ursus on June 07, 2012, 05:12:06 PM
In my opinion, the reason the low back isnt developed on most of them are for these reasons:

1) they dont want to do things like deadlifts because the exercise is 'worthless' / builds a 'thicker waist'
2) If not complete deads, they will rely on 'rack deads' because they read about DoggCrap and he recommends is
3) stack the shit out of some poorly designed low back extension machine rather than doing them right
4) Refuse to do hyperextensions because its a 'pussy exercise'
5) Partial squats...the ol' 3" depth is good enough to keep adding weight to the bar....

By no means is my lower back in the best shape it has been but it is thick. I have deadlifted heavier and squatted heavier for longer periods than I have recently.

It is all individual there is no real answer. Developing muscle is not the hard part, keeping it when lean is.



Title: Re: Hardest bodyparts to develop as a natural
Post by: RJ DRIVER on June 07, 2012, 05:24:26 PM
chest. its all genetics though. what's hard for one won't always be the same for the other .
^ this. My chest and legs suck but my shoulders have always come easy.


Title: Re: Hardest bodyparts to develop as a natural
Post by: stayfit on June 07, 2012, 05:50:01 PM
Gotta be calves !!


Title: Re: Hardest bodyparts to develop as a natural
Post by: ritch on June 07, 2012, 05:52:17 PM
Gotta be calves !!

natural or not, the only thing that ever made mine grow (not that I have a huge set, far from it) is gaining weight. Walking around at a heavier setting just made them grow. Surely many of you have noticed how many fat dudes have big calves...


Title: Re: Hardest bodyparts to develop as a natural
Post by: The Ugly on June 07, 2012, 05:53:43 PM
Brain.


Title: Re: Hardest bodyparts to develop as a natural
Post by: che on June 07, 2012, 06:02:31 PM
Gotta be calves !!

How many times do you see guys  training calves ?

 Most people with  shitty calves  do  3 or 4  different exercises for biceps ,triceps, chest ....... and  they do 3 quick set for calves after a leg workout,   then they blame lack of calf development on genetics.


Title: Re: Hardest bodyparts to develop as a natural
Post by: Bam-bam on June 07, 2012, 06:04:25 PM
How many times do you see guys  training calves ?

 Most people with  shitty calves  do  3 or 4  different exercises for biceps ,triceps, chest ....... and  they do 3 quick set for calves after a leg workout,   then they blame lack of calf development on genetics.

how many calves exercíses do you do yourself mr porn stud


Title: Re: Hardest bodyparts to develop as a natural
Post by: Soul Crusher on June 07, 2012, 06:05:44 PM
Must be shoulders and hamstrings.  :-\

Quads.   After dieting down , legs get ravaged.


Title: Re: Hardest bodyparts to develop as a natural
Post by: che on June 07, 2012, 06:08:15 PM
how many calves exercíses do you do yourself mr porn stud

3 or 4  twice a week at the beginning of my workout.


Title: Re: Hardest bodyparts to develop as a natural
Post by: Bam-bam on June 07, 2012, 06:13:36 PM
3 or 4  twice a week at the beginning of my workout.



good strategy to do them first while you still have a full gas tank so you dont train them half assed, I might try it.

gayer than training glutes


Title: Re: Hardest bodyparts to develop as a natural
Post by: umustsacrifice on June 07, 2012, 08:43:37 PM

What's your exact location bitch? A storm is coming.
your moms bedroom. STORMY.


Title: Re: Hardest bodyparts to develop as a natural
Post by: Jaime on June 07, 2012, 10:57:43 PM
your moms bedroom. STORMY.

I wish my mom was Stormy, i would have stole her panties as a kid and wrapped them around my face before bed.