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Getbig Bodybuilding Boards => Steroids Info & Hardcore => Topic started by: undead on April 25, 2012, 07:36:00 AM
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alright so i did a blast that ended one month ago. cycle was this
1-6 tren ace 350mg
1-8 NPP 700mg
1-8 test E 250mg
ive been cruising on 125mg test E for the past month. the problem is that the hair loss got really bad on cycle and once i came off i kept shedding for another week. then it seemed to ease up a bit but since last week ive been shedding like crazy. im talking over 100 hairs on my hands in the shower. this is more than ive ever had before. on the cycle i was just using minoxidil, nizoral, and topical spironolactone. now im using:
minoxidil 2x per day
finasteride 1.25mg/day
coconut oil before bed
emu oil before bed
travoprost 1x daily(prostaglandin analog)
anyone know what the fuck is going on? most of the hairs are full grown thick ones. maybe 3-5 shed are thinner weak ones. i thought it could be another minoxidl shed but ive never had anything this crazy. maybe its the travoprost?
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how old are you? Could just be nature taking it's course. Any baldie uncles or grandparents?
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how old are you? Could just be nature taking it's course. Any baldie uncles or grandparents?
im 22 but i already know im prone to MPB. i started shedding after my first cycle so i know its gonna happen. i just dont know why its happening so fast even though im barely on any gear.
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Its the finasteride. It induced a new hair cycle so your scalp is getting rid of all the old ones. Look it up, when ppl first start using finasteride they shed like crazy then it slows down and if it works, shedding eventually stops.
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Sounds like telogen efflivum look it up. However te usually starts meaning its the starting phase of mpb usually. Nothjhg did it to me before but tren same deal n fucked me over for good.
I strongly suggett u leave nizoral on Ur head over night. Wet Ur hair abit or don't n apply nizoral on Ur head. Pat it dry go to bed. Tons of people notice instant stopping of hairloss with this. Really try it give it a few days.
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Its the finasteride. It induced a new hair cycle so your scalp is getting rid of all the old ones. Look it up, when ppl first start using finasteride they shed like crazy then it slows down and if it works, shedding eventually stops.
shedding from finasteride is sometime seen by people who have been using for a year or so continuously. i was not using it on cycle.
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Sounds like telogen efflivum look it up. However te usually starts meaning its the starting phase of mpb usually. Nothjhg did it to me before but tren same deal n fucked me over for good.
I strongly suggett u leave nizoral on Ur head over night. Wet Ur hair abit or don't n apply nizoral on Ur head. Pat it dry go to bed. Tons of people notice instant stopping of hairloss with this. Really try it give it a few days.
if it was TE wouldnt that have happened at the start of the cycle? when hormonally induced its usually because of a sudden change in the androgen content of the blood or something similar. i had been off the tren for i think 6 weeks when this kicked in
ill give the nizoral a shot again. i tried it while on the tren but it really didnt do anything.
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Sounds like telogen efflivum look it up. However te usually starts meaning its the starting phase of mpb usually. Nothjhg did it to me before but tren same deal n fucked me over for good.
I strongly suggett u leave nizoral on Ur head over night. Wet Ur hair abit or don't n apply nizoral on Ur head. Pat it dry go to bed. Tons of people notice instant stopping of hairloss with this. Really try it give it a few days.
Wait are u saying that once someone experiences TE that means they are going bald?
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one of, if not thee best advice i got on g.b was lyquids reomendation of the nizoral 2% on overnight. I sent him an i.m thanking him for sharing the info and proved to me a bit that bodybuilders are not aLL Selfish narcisisstic lying scumbags. lyquid you are a gentleman and a scholar. ps.i just got the emu oil and will be adding it in the fight. lol......pss. for me adding the nizoral seemed to halt hairloss in a dramatic way.
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one of, if not thee best advice i got on g.b was lyquids reomendation of the nizoral 2% on overnight. I sent him an i.m thanking him for sharing the info and proved to me a bit that bodybuilders are not aLL Selfish narcisisstic lying scumbags. lyquid you are a gentleman and a scholar. ps.i just got the emu oil and will be adding it in the fight. lol......pss. for me adding the nizoral seemed to halt hairloss in a dramatic way.
good to hear man. how did it work out? regained all your hair or stopped all shedding?
and i agree, lyquid is a vault of knowledge. thank u lyquid.
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well, i was always hesitant about using more than 200mg perweek of test because in the past anything over that caused major shedding. i seem to be at a predisposion for this though as i have been slowly losing receding since 19. but i still have hair. also had a hair transplant 10 years ago which is holding up nicely. everytime i would start up a small test cycle hair loss but not this time. read a thread on here about hair loss and lyquid posted some interesting stuff seemed to know and believe in what he was talking about. the nizoral. stops the loss but i would imagine when i stop the test i will be getting more regrowth as that always seemed to be the case in the past. i also take 2mg finesteride eod
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well, i was always hesitant about using more than 200mg perweek of test because in the past anything over that caused major shedding. i seem to be at a predisposion for this though as i have been slowly losing receding since 19. but i still have hair. also had a hair transplant 10 years ago which is holding up nicely. everytime i would start up a small test cycle hair loss but not this time. read a thread on here about hair loss and lyquid posted some interesting stuff seemed to know and believe in what he was talking about. the nizoral. stops the loss but i would imagine when i stop the test i will be getting more regrowth as that always seemed to be the case in the past. i also take 2mg finesteride eod
awesome. happy for u man. yeah that nizoral overnight i tried it when i was shedding a lot and it helped a ton. Stopped nearly all shedding and this was on 600 mg test a week and around 300 mg deca. I also take saw palmetto 320 mg extract perday.
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It is the Tren A
Don't believe when people say it is not hard on the hair line.
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It is the Tren A
Don't believe when people say it is not hard on the hair line.
yeah i was thinking about trying tren again since my nizoral discovery but dont want to push my luck. i used tren twice both with amazing results on my physique but not so amazing on the hair.
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awesome. happy for u man. yeah that nizoral overnight i tried it when i was shedding a lot and it helped a ton. Stopped nearly all shedding and this was on 600 mg test a week and around 300 mg deca. I also take saw palmetto 320 mg extract perday.
wow that sounds promising. did you use finasteride or no?
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Nope. I will never touch finasteride. Too many bad sides imo and its only good for test only cycles.
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finasteride gave me the worst hair loss of my life, about 1 week after starting it. that is not normal and in the people that it occurs, it doesn't actually "regrow stronger" when it's shedding that soon.
if it's from the finasteride and you keep using it your hair will continue to shed but get better once you go off. it's rare but it happened to me, and a very small handful of men on hairloss forums (happens consistently, hair never gets better until going off finasteride)
could also be that prostaglandin, they do have some role in causing hairloss, depending on which prostaglandin it is.
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finasteride gave me the worst hair loss of my life, about 1 week after starting it. that is not normal and in the people that it occurs, it doesn't actually "regrow stronger" when it's shedding that soon.
if it's from the finasteride and you keep using it your hair will continue to shed but get better once you go off. it's rare but it happened to me, and a very small handful of men on hairloss forums (happens consistently, hair never gets better until going off finasteride)
could also be that prostaglandin, they do have some role in causing hairloss, depending on which prostaglandin it is.
ill look into it but hair loss is caused from DHT and test converts into DHT so i would consider finasteride neccesary. ive used finasteride before and never had shedding like this.
as far as the prostaglandin goes, its from the same family as lattisse(bimatoprost) which is used for thickening eye lashes and has been shown to be more effective in promoting hair growth than latisse. there are certain prostaglandins that cause hair loss but they are of a different class.
still, i was going to stop using it today and see if that makes a difference.
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one of, if not thee best advice i got on g.b was lyquids reomendation of the nizoral 2% on overnight. I sent him an i.m thanking him for sharing the info and proved to me a bit that bodybuilders are not aLL Selfish narcisisstic lying scumbags. lyquid you are a gentleman and a scholar. ps.i just got the emu oil and will be adding it in the fight. lol......pss. for me adding the nizoral seemed to halt hairloss in a dramatic way.
so you put shampoo on your hair and go to sleep? Or is it cream you use?
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ah ok, if you've used finasteride before without losing hair then i'm going to say it's something else. no idea how brimoprost functions, i know that it's worked clinically to regrow hair, and that it has the side effect of pigmenting the iris of the eye
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ah ok, if you've used finasteride before without losing hair then i'm going to say it's something else. no idea how brimoprost functions, i know that it's worked clinically to regrow hair, and that it has the side effect of pigmenting the iris of the eye
i think that was only when they put the drops into the eyes. im putting it directly on my head. the molecule is small enough that it should be able to pass through the skin.
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yeah, i've seen people running it on hairloss boards. it's real expensive stuff, i've seen the price of that stuff per MG, hah!
yeah, and it was in the trials where it was used on eyelashes, in some people it changed their iris brown. no idea if it will have the same effect if it gets absorbed and circulates systemically but i doubt there is enough drug for that to happen.
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yeah, i've seen people running it on hairloss boards. it's real expensive stuff, i've seen the price of that stuff per MG, hah!
yeah, and it was in the trials where it was used on eyelashes, in some people it changed their iris brown. no idea if it will have the same effect if it gets absorbed and circulates systemically but i doubt there is enough drug for that to happen.
yea i ordered mine from an overseas supplier. its generic so its a fair bit cheaper but im thinking its not worth it. youre supposed to see hair regrowth in 3 weeks or less but ive been on a month and still nothing.
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you'd need to get a microscope camera to be able to see changes in hair growth over that short of a time period
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you'd need to get a microscope camera to be able to see changes in hair growth over that short of a time period
yea i guess i was expecting too much.
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so you put shampoo on your hair and go to sleep? Or is it cream you use?
Yeah just apply it to your hair like normal shampoo except emphasize pushing it and rubbing it onto your scalp more, then.instead of washing it out just get out. I usually pat my head lightly with a towel just to absorb most of the moisture that is on my actual hair. If you have shorter hair eithin 10 minutes itll pretty much be dry.
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For stopping hairloss nizoral over night is amaIng. For regrowing I have digured out what works best and i really want others to try. It worked before i thought it was all Emu oil. but after using Ty to regrow for motnhs i wasn't seeing much resutla. I had used spiro before thinking it wasnt working and was the emu.
I am experiancing massive refrowth at the temples by tee day almost. It is filling in so amazing looking like the widows peak is almost gone complwtly. Spirolactone with Emu oil at same time. Nizoral over night eod. To lazy for everyday. And only other things atm is a multi. Zinc little booting no saw palmeto this time as it was givig libido issues.
And cayenee pepper. Look into it. From the grocery store. Lots of people reversing prostate cancer conpletly with cayenee pepper and studies to prove it.
So of anything can contribute my amazing regrowth atm to cayenee pepper. Emu oil and spiro that's it and I am floored atm at my regrowth. Literally floored.
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For stopping hairloss nizoral over night is amaIng. For regrowing I have digured out what works best and i really want others to try. It worked before i thought it was all Emu oil. but after using Ty to regrow for motnhs i wasn't seeing much resutla. I had used spiro before thinking it wasnt working and was the emu.
I am experiancing massive refrowth at the temples by tee day almost. It is filling in so amazing looking like the widows peak is almost gone complwtly. Spirolactone with Emu oil at same time. Nizoral over night eod. To lazy for everyday. And only other things atm is a multi. Zinc little booting no saw palmeto this time as it was givig libido issues.
And cayenee pepper. Look into it. From the grocery store. Lots of people reversing prostate cancer conpletly with cayenee pepper and studies to prove it.
So of anything can contribute my amazing regrowth atm to cayenee pepper. Emu oil and spiro that's it and I am floored atm at my regrowth. Literally floored.
lyquid, you ran tren yourself right? how long did it take for the shedding to stop after coming off and starting the nizoral.
i just started applying the nizoral last night so we'll see how it goes. i think i might have TE because i think the hairs from the very back and lower sides of my head are shedding as well.
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What I've been doing to apply the nizoral is using a 3 cc syringe without the needle of course pull out the plunger and pour about half cc or so into syringe. It makes for easier application right on scalp. Just dab it on. Lol.
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What I've been doing to apply the nizoral is using a 3 cc syringe without the needle of course pull out the plunger and pour about half cc or so into syringe. It makes for easier application right on scalp. Just dab it on. Lol.
Have you noticed this works as good as applying it normally?
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lyquid, you ran tren yourself right? how long did it take for the shedding to stop after coming off and starting the nizoral.
i just started applying the nizoral last night so we'll see how it goes. i think i might have TE because i think the hairs from the very back and lower sides of my head are shedding as well.
Honestly te for me happens not when I blast a drug. But when i crash off the drugs n stop taking em mostly. Tren 50mg eod 1.5 weeks n bam worst te of my life te only on mpb style hairline n top of head. That's how u know Ur te is triggering mpb n not all over Ur head. It slowly stopped falling out over course of about a month or month and a half. with no nixoral etc. And winny did same thing. And yy hair line looked like shit forever. And i got it back after yrs of not doing hairlos drugs than I started this shit n it regrow. Than i dis super high test without hairloss prevention n lost it again n finally regrowing it back so fuckibg amazongly with whay I posted. If anyone wants I can email u pics of my hair like it is drastic I'm talking inchs i have gained on widows peak.
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i think i have TE right now myself. ran t3 way too high and for too long. i was messing around with dosages around 300mcg, and hair has been shedding for awhile now and it won't stop. hopefully it's just TE and it will grow back :'(
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Honestly te for me happens not when I blast a drug. But when i crash off the drugs n stop taking em mostly. Tren 50mg eod 1.5 weeks n bam worst te of my life te only on mpb style hairline n top of head. That's how u know Ur te is triggering mpb n not all over Ur head. It slowly stopped falling out over course of about a month or month and a half. with no nixoral etc. And winny did same thing. And yy hair line looked like shit forever. And i got it back after yrs of not doing hairlos drugs than I started this shit n it regrow. Than i dis super high test without hairloss prevention n lost it again n finally regrowing it back so fuckibg amazongly with whay I posted. If anyone wants I can email u pics of my hair like it is drastic I'm talking inchs i have gained on widows peak.
Amazing man. Happy ur able to keep regrowing it. Id be interested to see your results.
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i think i have TE right now myself. ran t3 way too high and for too long. i was messing around with dosages around 300mcg, and hair has been shedding for awhile now and it won't stop. hopefully it's just TE and it will grow back :'(
Have u tried spiro n Emu together for regrowth. It's Def been what's regrowing mine. I tried Emu without spiro n barely did shit. Im thinkih the Emu is helping the spiro absorb. It is fast results to. again main other thigh is cayrnee possibly helping. But nothig has has regrown my hair just stops loss. And i mean we all want stopage and regroeth right
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Honestly te for me happens not when I blast a drug. But when i crash off the drugs n stop taking em mostly. Tren 50mg eod 1.5 weeks n bam worst te of my life te only on mpb style hairline n top of head. That's how u know Ur te is triggering mpb n not all over Ur head. It slowly stopped falling out over course of about a month or month and a half. with no nixoral etc. And winny did same thing. And yy hair line looked like shit forever. And i got it back after yrs of not doing hairlos drugs than I started this shit n it regrow. Than i dis super high test without hairloss prevention n lost it again n finally regrowing it back so fuckibg amazongly with whay I posted. If anyone wants I can email u pics of my hair like it is drastic I'm talking inchs i have gained on widows peak.
yea could you post pics? id like to see.
like i said ive started nizoral again and ill see now it goes. hopefully i get some regrowth. im a diffuse thinner so im losing hair everywhere instead of just the crown or hairline.
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Amazing man. Happy ur able to keep regrowing it. Id be interested to see your results.
Msg me Ur email. I'm way to lazy to edit photos on my phone lol. So don't want my face posted all over.
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Msg me Ur email. I'm way to lazy to edit photos on my phone lol. So don't want my face posted all over.
done
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Have u tried spiro n Emu together for regrowth. It's Def been what's regrowing mine. I tried Emu without spiro n barely did shit. Im thinkih the Emu is helping the spiro absorb. It is fast results to. again main other thigh is cayrnee possibly helping. But nothig has has regrown my hair just stops loss. And i mean we all want stopage and regroeth right
What is spiro? I checked google but no luck.
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Have u tried spiro n Emu together for regrowth. It's Def been what's regrowing mine. I tried Emu without spiro n barely did shit. Im thinkih the Emu is helping the spiro absorb. It is fast results to. again main other thigh is cayrnee possibly helping. But nothig has has regrown my hair just stops loss. And i mean we all want stopage and regroeth right
spiro never did anything for me but i neverused it with emu oil. emu oil helps with absorption of molecules so it could be why it helps you so much since the problem with topical spiro is that none of it gets absorbed lol.
when i go off completely my hair usually regrows, but slowly, with the use of monoxidil.
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spiro never did anything for me but i neverused it with emu oil. emu oil helps with absorption of molecules so it could be why it helps you so much since the problem with topical spiro is that none of it gets absorbed lol.
when i go off completely my hair usually regrows, but slowly, with the use of monoxidil.
i dont use spiro anymore. i dont think it works. plus, if you use something like emu oil to increase absorption you will increase systemic absorption as well leading to some really nasty side effects.
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oral spiro is actually a diuretic that gets used in pre-contest :)
it does has some bad sides though, one of which is that when you systemically block androgens, you are also blocking the effects of steroids so it's counter productive.
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i dont use spiro anymore. i dont think it works. plus, if you use something like emu oil to increase absorption you will increase systemic absorption as well leading to some really nasty side effects.
Spiro even when used with emu oil will have a tough time getting systemic. It will absorb through the epidermis and spread surface wise throughout. If a little does make it through to the dermis there wont be much left of it.
As far as having systemic effects, as long as you are on steroids it will do nothing to feminize u or anything like that. I was discussing this with someone and he pretty much said its perfect to use topically as hair loss preventative, as long as u are on androgens aka gear. It will completely negate any anti-androgenic effects of spiro systemically, yet spiro is still allowed to work topically on the scalp.
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spiro never did anything for me but i neverused it with emu oil. emu oil helps with absorption of molecules so it could be why it helps you so much since the problem with topical spiro is that none of it gets absorbed lol.
when i go off completely my hair usually regrows, but slowly, with the use of monoxidil.
Def try it with Emu. Emu is proven to help anything absorb brig so close to skins natural oil . It will brig it down with it. It's workig fast for sure five it a try cause in on a lot of shit n its working good atm.