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Would be awesome
- Bret Hart - greatest in-ring talent ever, great overall look without appearing roided up.
- Jake the Snake - great mic worker in an era of bad overall mic work
- Razor Ramon - he'd be THE top heel
- Adorable Adrian Adonis - a so-called gay flair in which a gay wrestler is conspicuously absent.
- Million Dollar Man - persona of the corporate millionaire everyone hates.
Would be awful
- Fabulous Freebirds - somehow confederate flag bearing tag team just wouldn't work in 2012
- Andre the Giant - would be compared to Great Khali and bad on the mic
- Ultimate Warrior - can't work. can't talk. talentless roid monster that'd be out in weeks.
- Demolition - S&M wearing fat guys would be laughed out of town.
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Would be awesome
- Bret Hart - greatest in-ring talent ever, great overall look without appearing roided up.
- Jake the Snake - great mic worker in an era of bad overall mic work
- Razor Ramon - he'd be THE top heel
- Adorable Adrian Adonis - a so-called gay flair in which a gay wrestler is conspicuously absent.
- Million Dollar Man - persona of the corporate millionaire everyone hates.
Would be awful
- Fabulous Freebirds - somehow confederate flag bearing tag team just wouldn't work in 2012
- Andre the Giant - would be compared to Great Khali and bad on the mic
- Ultimate Warrior - can't work. can't talk. talentless roid monster that'd be out in weeks.
- Demolition - S&M wearing fat guys would be laughed out of town.
Andre doesn't need to talk. If Andre were a heel, all he'd need is a good manager (ala Heenan or Paul Bearer) to talk for him.
Ultimate Warrior would work, to a degree, IF he still looked and moved the same as he did in his prime. The gimmick doesn't work NOW, because he's old (with a ton of torn muscles) and slow.
As for Jake, 1996 proved that talking can only get you so far. Jake was too out of shape. After the push for the King of the Ring, when he finally fell to Austin, that was IT.
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Managers. Guys that can't talk need managers and a good "stable".
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red rooster,,didn't work then imagine now,,,doink...
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I suspect that mostly the guys who relied more on their own character rather than an assigned gimmick would be most likely to still work (get over) today.
Guys like Bill Eadie, Jake, Bret, Austin, etc. would fare much better than guys like Adam Bomb, Duke the Dumpster, and the Ultimate Asshole.
Some guys like Adrian, Eadie & Scott Hall were given gimmicks, but strongly incorporated their own style and personality. To me, those are the guys who could withstand the test of time. Their style was timeless, and they could no dobut adapt to what evolution called for.
I wish some of those guys would have stayed on longer for that reason. It would have been great to have Adrian, Eadie, and Jake around longer. Adrian died in an automobile accident. Bill suffered a heart scare that more or less forced him into early retirement from the mainstream. And, Jake still had good momentum towards the end of his last high-profile WWF run, but was put out to pasture because of his substance problems.
One more note worth mentioning is that Demolition Ax was supposedly in line for some kind of road agent or booker position. In fact, management allegedly told him that he would assume that role following the disbanding of Demo. They stalled, keeping Bill in the dark for several months. I don't know if he ever did get anykind of formal decision from them, but it's a shame to have wasted a talent like The Masked Superstar.
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I suspect that mostly the guys who relied more on their own character rather than an assigned gimmick would be most likely to still work (get over) today.
Guys like Bill Eadie, Jake, Bret, Austin, etc. would fare much better than guys like Adam Bomb, Duke the Dumpster, and the Ultimate Asshole.
Some guys like Adrian, Eadie & Scott Hall were given gimmicks, but strongly incorporated their own style and personality. To me, those are the guys who could withstand the test of time. Their style was timeless, and they could no dobut adapt to what evolution called for.
I wish some of those guys would have stayed on longer for that reason. It would have been great to have Adrian, Eadie, and Jake around longer. Adrian died in an automobile accident. Bill suffered a heart scare that more or less forced him into early retirement from the mainstream. And, Jake still had good momentum towards the end of his last high-profile WWF run, but was put out to pasture because of his substance problems.
One more note worth mentioning is that Demolition Ax was supposedly in line for some kind of road agent or booker position. In fact, management allegedly told him that he would assume that role following the disbanding of Demo. They stalled, keeping Bill in the dark for several months. I don't know if he ever did get anykind of formal decision from them, but it's a shame to have wasted a talent like The Masked Superstar.
I heard that Jake was clean for awhile. But, when his wife told him she was leaving because he wouldn't give up wrestling, he fell WAY OFF THE WAGON. DiBiase had to stop him from killing himself.
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The masked wrestlers. I don't mean the luchadores, I mean the whole "mystery" persona where the wrestler was from "Parts Unknown" Nowadays everyone knows every wrestler's real name as well as any pseudonym used during his career.
Also, most of the "ethnic" gimmicks are long gone...whether due to "p.c." or the aforementioned knowledge of every wrestler's real name. It's hard to really engender "hatred" for a "Russian" who is actually from Roanoke, Virginia (Boris Zhukov).
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The masked wrestlers. I don't mean the luchadores, I mean the whole "mystery" persona where the wrestler was from "Parts Unknown" Nowadays everyone knows every wrestler's real name as well as any pseudonym used during his career.
Also, most of the "ethnic" gimmicks are long gone...whether due to "p.c." or the aforementioned knowledge of every wrestler's real name. It's hard to really engender "hatred" for a "Russian" who is actually from Roanoke, Virginia (Boris Zhukov).
Vladmir Koslov was a major heel at one point. He even beat the Undertaker (clean) on Smackdown and was floated as being the Deadman's opponent for WrestleMania 25. But, since he lost to Michaels for the right to fight 'Taker at Wrestlemania, he got jobbed into near non-existence.
Kofi Kingston was cool as a Jamaican. But, once he dropped the accent and was just from Ghana, his character fell flat.
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Vladmir Koslov was a major heel at one point. He even beat the Undertaker (clean) on Smackdown and was floated as being the Deadman's opponent for WrestleMania 25. But, since he lost to Michaels for the right to fight 'Taker at Wrestlemania, he got jobbed into near non-existence.
Kofi Kingston was cool as a Jamaican. But, once he dropped the accent and was just from Ghana, his character fell flat.
I remember when HHH said "Hey didn't you have an accent?"...Way to bury a character
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I remember when HHH said "Hey didn't you have an accent?"...Way to bury a character
I wonder if that was a rib on Kofi. 8)
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The masked wrestlers. I don't mean the luchadores, I mean the whole "mystery" persona where the wrestler was from "Parts Unknown" Nowadays everyone knows every wrestler's real name as well as any pseudonym used during his career.
Also, most of the "ethnic" gimmicks are long gone...whether due to "p.c." or the aforementioned knowledge of every wrestler's real name. It's hard to really engender "hatred" for a "Russian" who is actually from Roanoke, Virginia (Boris Zhukov).
Sad, but true. I reckon the last over masked wrestler was The Patriot. I loved most all the masked guy for some reason.
I'm surprised Vince hasn't tried a character based on bin-laden
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Sad, but true. I reckon the last over masked wrestler was The Patriot. I loved most all the masked guy for some reason.
I'm surprised Vince hasn't tried a character based on bin-laden
I never really considered Del Wilkes' Patriot gimmick over, but that's just a matter of opinion.
The Kane gimmick worked. I hated when they took the mask off of him; even though everyone knew it was "Isaac Yankem."
Rey always reminded me of a moder-day Tiger Mask, perhaps New Japan Pro Wrestling's most notorious character.
The biggest disadvantages to wearing a mask is that many of them make it difficult to breathe, but all of them prevent the wearer from conveying emotions via facial expressions. Then again, the mystery component really rocks for certain ones.
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I remember when HHH said "Hey didn't you have an accent?"...Way to bury a character
The explanation I've heard was that Kofi's parents were upset that Kofi was being marketed as Jamaican, instead of West African. To my knowledge, he's had the Jamaican gimmick since his days in the bush leagues.
Why would his folks be so upset about it now? Is it because he gets more exposure in WWE, than anywhere else?
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I never really considered Del Wilkes' Patriot gimmick over, but that's just a matter of opinion.
I remember the WWF ran a couple of those little vignettes about Wilkes and they showed him without his mask (at home, getting ready for a road trip, playing up the whole ideal husband and dad thing).
This was before he went to jail, of course. :-\
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I remember the WWF ran a couple of those little vignettes about Wilkes and they showed him without his mask (at home, getting ready for a road trip, playing up the whole ideal husband and dad thing).
This was before he went to jail, of course. :-\
The original "American Dad." ;)
He does bear a slight resemblance to the Seth McFarlane-created character.
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The original "American Dad." ;)
He does bear a slight resemblance to the Seth McFarlane-created character.
I can't believe I failed to make that connection. Well done.
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I never really considered Del Wilkes' Patriot gimmick over, but that's just a matter of opinion.
The Kane gimmick worked. I hated when they took the mask off of him; even though everyone knew it was "Isaac Yankem."
Rey always reminded me of a moder-day Tiger Mask, perhaps New Japan Pro Wrestling's most notorious character.
The biggest disadvantages to wearing a mask is that many of them make it difficult to breathe, but all of them prevent the wearer from conveying emotions via facial expressions. Then again, the mystery component really rocks for certain ones.
Over might not be the best word, but he got a push, and a decent start.
I guess I forgot about Kane. ::)
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I can't believe I failed to make that connection. Well done.
:)
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Over might not be the best word, but he got a push, and a decent start.
I guess I forgot about Kane. ::)
Oh, yeah: he got a great push! In fact, I think the WWF office was really expecting him to do much better than he did; he just never caught on with the fans.
He did okay in WCW teaming with Bagwell.
And, while I never saw any of his work from there, he supposedly did decent in NJPW.
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I think Aldo Montoya would be waaaay over! ;D
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I think Aldo Montoya would be waaaay over! ;D
You know, I wish that Chef Tim would see this. He's always attributing Hunter's early success to his ties to HBK.
During his first stint in the Fed, Justin Credible was a jobber who wore a F'n yellow jock strap on his head. He started engaging in feuds with guys like IRS, DiBiase, and Jarrett after befriending "the Kliq," but he was still only being booked as little as 2-3 times per month. That's why he finally asked for his release.
Nepotism only goes so far. Beyond a certain point, you need some amount of talent for them to push you. Merely being buddies with the right people doesn't draw money, and the only way you climb that ladder is by selling tickets.
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Big Boss Man - correction officer would be laughed out of the arena.
Anything with Tito Santana in it.
Brutus Beefcake - barber type character
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Big Boss Man - correction officer would be laughed out of the arena.
Anything with Tito Santana in it.
Brutus Beefcake - barber type character
Boss Man's character in late '99/early 2000 was pretty mean. He even got a title match against the Big Show at Armageddon
Champion vs. Champion, no less (Boss Man was Hardcore champion at the time; remember the angle about Big Show's father dying?).
Beefcake got turned into the Booty Man at WCW. Compared to that, Brutus "the Barber" Beefcake is solid.
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The best move Brutus ever performed was when he removed his nose from Hogan's anus long enough to do a faceplant on the beach while para-sailing in Florida.
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The best move Brutus ever performed was when he removed his nose from Hogan's anus long enough to do a faceplant on the beach while para-sailing in Florida.
;D
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The best move Brutus ever performed was when he removed his nose from Hogan's anus long enough to do a faceplant on the beach while para-sailing in Florida.
hahahahahahahahahahaha
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George " The Animal ' Steele to this day is still working the angle as noted by his ceremonial first pitch recently ;)
Likely wouldn't go over these days although I wish it could.
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George " The Animal ' Steele to this day is still working the angle as noted by his ceremonial first pitch recently ;)
Likely wouldn't go over these days although I wish it could.
Same with Abdullah The Butcher...fans would say, "Oh, come on, somebody that nuts would never be allowed on an airplane..."
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Same with Abdullah The Butcher...fans would say, "Oh, come on, somebody that nuts would never be allowed on an airplane..."
Bobby Heenan talked about "managing" the Missing Link. Part of Link's gimmick was that he couldn't talk, so in the beginning, he'd ask Bobby to arrive at the airport early to purchase his ticket for him (if Link's was an earlier flight).
Bobby couldn't believe the absurdity of the request.
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papa shango,,,kevin sullivans satan angle and the stable he with purple haze.cool times in fla against dusty rhodes,jake the snake dressed as santa claus interfering cage match...
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The best move Brutus ever performed was when he removed his nose from Hogan's anus long enough to do a faceplant on the beach while para-sailing in Florida.
I heard that he was standing up (not in the parasail himself) when he turned around and another person that was parasailing slammed into his face with their knees drawn up.
Which yeah.... given the choice of slamming full speed into another man's face with my knees or my crotch, I am going to pull my knees up too.
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I heard that he was standing up (not in the parasail himself) when he turned around and another person that was parasailing slammed into his face with their knees drawn up.
Which yeah.... given the choice of slamming full speed into another man's face with my knees or my crotch, I am going to pull my knees up too.
That is the account I remember reading when it happened.
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I heard that he was standing up (not in the parasail himself) when he turned around and another person that was parasailing slammed into his face with their knees drawn up.
Which yeah.... given the choice of slamming full speed into another man's face with my knees or my crotch, I am going to pull my knees up too.
That makes it even better..... I would buy the face smasher a beer or two in celebration !
And Monte, I remember that story about Heenan and he acted like it was on Link for being absurd, yet it was in the heyday of kafabe. Let Heenan try that with Masked Superstar back in the day and see what happened. He used to drive with his mask on from town to town.....
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That makes it even better..... I would buy the face smasher a beer or two in celebration !
And Monte, I remember that story about Heenan and he acted like it was on Link for being absurd, yet it was in the heyday of kafabe. Let Heenan try that with Masked Superstar back in the day and see what happened. He used to drive with his mask on from town to town.....
I believe that Dick Beyer still wears his Destroyer mask. He doesn't wear it to the grocery store like he did back in the day, but it wasn't that long ago that he hosted a radio show while wearing the mask.
Of course he still wears it to fan conventions, etc.
I wonder if Bill Eadie ever wore his mask into the bank or airport! ;D
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I believe that Dick Beyer still wears his Destroyer mask. He doesn't wear it to the grocery store like he did back in the day, but it wasn't that long ago that he hosted a radio show while wearing the mask.
Of course he still wears it to fan conventions, etc.
I wonder if Bill Eadie ever wore his mask into the bank or airport! ;D
haha, with it being the kayfabe era and how over he was throughout the mid-atlantic area, he probably could have.....although they might have thought he was up to no good....not because of the mask, but because he was such a great heel !! ;D
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haha, with it being the kayfabe era and how over he was throughout the mid-atlantic area, he probably could have.....although they might have thought he was up to no good....not because of the mask, but because he was such a great heel !! ;D
He still makes appearances at wrestling shows & conventions. It's almost a shame it's always as Demo Ax, though - not because it was a pathetic gimmick or run, but because it overshadows so much his work as the M-S.
I can understand that most mainstream audiences recognize him as Ax, but there's a TON of people who recognize & remember him as the Superstar.
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He still makes appearances at wrestling shows & conventions. It's almost a shame it's always as Demo Ax, though - not because it was a pathetic gimmick or run, but because it overshadows so much his work as the M-S.
I can understand that most mainstream audiences recognize him as Ax, but there's a TON of people who recognize & remember him as the Superstar.
I liked him as The Masked Superstar, both as heel and as face. The way he didn't always rant and rave; when he did raise his voice it got a pop from the crowd. I think that because of the "muscle" era that came in the mid-80's, people forget how big a man Superstar was...usually billed at about 275, which was just under "giant" at the time (he was usually one of the 2 or 3 biggest guys when Andre wasn't in town).
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I liked him as The Masked Superstar, both as heel and as face. The way he didn't always rant and rave; when he did raise his voice it got a pop from the crowd. I think that because of the "muscle" era that came in the mid-80's, people forget how big a man Superstar was...usually billed at about 275, which was just under "giant" at the time (he was usually one of the 2 or 3 biggest guys when Andre wasn't in town).
Absolutely. I remember when he tagged with Super Destroyer. They were both huge. MS could flat out move, regardless of size. Talk about a guy who should have worn the strap.
And I agree, monty, it's a shame he goes to the conventions as Ax instead of Masked Superstar. I hated the Demolition gimmick as a rip-off of the Warriors, but he and Darsow could both out wrestle either of the Warriors....haha
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Eadie was definitely a big dude; hard to believe he was the "smallest" of the Machines in WWF.
He auctioned off some pieces of Masked Superstar ring gear for charity, and I've seen pictures of him at the random legends fest as the M-S, but I think lately he's worked/appeared as Ax with Darsow.
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I always wanted a mask. I would wear it all the time.
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I always wanted a mask. I would wear it all the time.
I'm calling your bluff: http://www.highspots.com/c/Pro-Masks-In-Stock.html
;D
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I always wanted a mask. I would wear it all the time.
I ordered one of Destroyers masks one time.....it never showed up.... :-\
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I'm calling your bluff: http://www.highspots.com/c/Pro-Masks-In-Stock.html
;D
Y'all take up a collection! I always liked Superstar's, but wanted to wear The Spoiler's for obvious reasons.
Speaking of dumb wrestling fans. Has Stoppa told you about our friend that thought Gene Anderson's tick was cool? He would go up to girls in a bar and do the same. For some reason, the girls never thought it was that cool.
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Y'all take up a collection! I always liked Superstar's, but wanted to wear The Spoiler's for obvious reasons.
Speaking of dumb wrestling fans. Has Stoppa told you about our friend that thought Gene Anderson's tick was cool? He would go up to girls in a bar and do the same. For some reason, the girls never thought it was that cool.
I once bought a wheelchair at a garage sale because I wanted to be like the Dynamite Kid.
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I remember when the Masked Superstar was feuding with Wrestling II. Once he came out during a match and jumped II from behind, slapped the cobra hold on him and until he was foaming out of the mouth and unconscious. I wish I could find a youtube link to that episode.
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I remember when the Masked Superstar was feuding with Wrestling II. Once he came out during a match and jumped II from behind, slapped the cobra hold on him and until he was foaming out of the mouth and unconscious. I wish I could find a youtube link to that episode.
When Jake Roberts first came to the Fed around 1986, some of his opponents would foam from the mouth upon Damian slithering over them. I presume the act was courtesy of an Alka-Seltzer tablet.
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When Jake Roberts first came to the Fed around 1986, some of his opponents would foam from the mouth upon Damian slithering over them. I presume the act was courtesy of an Alka-Seltzer tablet.
I remember seeing that when Jake beat George Wells in WM 2.
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I remember seeing that when Jake beat George Wells in WM 2.
Oh, God; you just reminded me of something.
Was that one of the matches that Susan Saint James "guest-called?"
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Oh, God; you just reminded me of something.
Was that one of the matches that Susan Saint James "guest-called?"
Yes. God she was annoying. Now you've caused me to have "Kate & Allie" flashbacks. >:(
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Yes. God she was annoying. Now you've caused me to have "Kate & Allie" flashbacks. >:(
Just replace that with the thought of Elvira's titties - another annoying, but slightly more tolerable Mania II mammary memory.
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Just replace that with the thought of Elvira's titties - another annoying, but slightly more tolerable Mania II mammary memory.
That helps some, but I thought Elvira was hotter out of costume (the motorcycle mama in Pee Wee's Big Adventure).
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That helps some, but I thought Elvira was hotter out of costume (the motorcycle mama in Pee Wee's Big Adventure).
I'll have to find a picture. I was never a Pee Wee fan; I vaguely remember any of his cinema triumphs.
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I'll have to find a picture. I was never a Pee Wee fan; I vaguely remember any of his cinema triumphs.
Did you catch his one-man performance at the local cinema? ;D
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Just replace that with the thought of Elvira's titties - another annoying, but slightly more tolerable Mania II mammary memory.
Did she do any more commentary, besides that with Ventura and Lord Alfred Hayes, during the Hogan-Bundy cage match?
Speaking of "old-school-gimmicks", why don't they bring back the old-school steel cage? The last time I saw a cage match with those jungle-gym-type bars was in 1999 (Austin vs. McMahon, In Your House: St. Valentine's Day Massacre). Those bars were black, though, not blue. It's the one with Big Show, hiding under the ring.
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Eadie was definitely a big dude; hard to believe he was the "smallest" of the Machines in WWF.
He auctioned off some pieces of Masked Superstar ring gear for charity, and I've seen pictures of him at the random legends fest as the M-S, but I think lately he's worked/appeared as Ax with Darsow.
During the machines era, Eadie was one of the originals but who was the other? Not the Piper and Hogan machines etc etc but the original 2?
Edit - other one was Blackjack Mulligan....gotta love google
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During the machines era, Eadie was one of the originals but who was the other? Not the Piper and Hogan machines etc etc but the original 2?
Edit - other one was Blackjack Mulligan....gotta love google
"Hulk Machine" was Hogan?
;D
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I have it on great authority that Mr. America was actually Hulk Machine.
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I have it on great authority that Mr. America was actually Hulk Machine.
To this day, I can't understand the purpose of that.