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Title: Ask A “Schmoe” Anything! (G4P / Gay For Pay)
Post by: YellaDawg on July 06, 2012, 10:51:38 AM
Hello Getbiggers:

I recently spent a lazy day reading the various threads at Getbig regarding speculation, innuendo, rumor and factual information about g4p / gay for pay in the bodybuilding circuit, and the derogatorily so-called “schmoes” who willingly pay for it all.

I have been gladly paying for muscle worship from top pros and amateur bodybuilders all over the world for my over two decades. So I suppose that makes me a fairly prominent and active “schmoe”.  I first heard the term “schmoe” used by a bodybuilder back in 1992 to describe another client who was more well-known, and I was then told that there are schmoes for both male and female bodybuilders; before that, I didn’t know there was actually such an inside term used by some bodybuilders to describe in general what I was starting to get into.  “Clients”, “supporters” and in high-finance cases, “sponsor” were the terms I was more familiar with, and the ones I used and to continue to use in my dealings with bodybuilders.

I have always maintained discretion and privacy in my dealings, as I have worked hard in my chosen professional field and become very successful and known with my industry circles; therefore, just as I am not too particularly fond of staining my professional or social reputation, I treat all bodybuilders, athletes and models as if they deserve a similar need for discretion.

I have noticed there’s some truth but many false assumptions and misconceptions about what I know to be both sides of g4p bodybuilding – the bodybuilder and the sponsor, client or schmoe.

So I am starting this thread so that Getbiggers can ask me – a real life, experienced sponsor / client / schmoe -- ANYTHING. I will try to answer all questions as much as I can, without going past my own personal limits (what those are, of course, are for me to decide).
As I continue to hire / sponsor bodybuilders, pro, amateur and aspiring, and I want to maintain their trust, please note that I am not here on an outing exhibition. That does not necessarily preclude me from naming names when I feel it is relatively harmless, important or necessary.

That all being said, I will give you some more background on me:

Sorry to disappoint some of your comedic intentions, but I’m not some old, fat, out-of-shape queeny guy (although the reality of that stereotype very much exists in the client / sponsor field).  I’m in my early 40s, fit and exercise regularly, but I have always, always admired muscle. As mentioned before, I worked very hard and aggressively in my chosen career field starting at an early age working on Wall Street, and did very well for myself. This left me little time to do much else, but I have managed to find time for some renting and sponsoring bodybuilders and muscle escorts, which I still do to this day.

I am still based in the New York City metro area for business purposes, but own a few other properties in warmer clients; I have taken appointments with bodybuilders all over, and have quite often invited them to visit me or travel with me.

Although I do not now, I spent a sizable amount of time in committed relationships with women, mostly due to societal, family and business pressures. This probably only enhanced my need to hire. After a while, I disclosed my penchant for bodybuilders to one lady friend, who for a brief period until our breakup, became very supportive and helpful in my search for bodybuilders. Now, however, my relationships are same-sex only, and I feel there is no need for me for a front. Yet, I still choose to be a somewhat private person.

Although I prefer to maintain a comfortable distance from many other clients – some of which would probably better physically fall into the Getbig perceived idea of a “schmoe” – I am socially friendly with a number of others.  In a lot of cases, there is a network of shared information, and some are more talkative, braggadocios or loose-lipped than others, while others may share my code of discretion.  In addition, particularly in my earlier years; this for me was the late 80s to early 90s. I was fortunate enough to meet older bodybuilding sponsors who were in and out of the bodybuilding circuit or the gay social networking scene. During this time, I also met some older bodybuilders, who once comfortable with me and felt I was legit, gave me further insight into the subculture and told stories.

I have sponsored competitive bodybuilders over the years, from pros to top and promising amateurs. I have also been a client for bodybuilder escorts and rentboys, hiring regulars and hiring one-offs. I am well-traveled and have dealt with bodybuilders all over the planet, in quite a few countries besides the USA. This business relationship happens everywhere, although the approach and expectations vary depending on the culture of the land.

I have done a lot of clever and interesting things over the years to meet potential bodybuilders to sponsor or hire. Sometimes it has been as simple as taking candy from a baby; other times, it was much more detailed, elaborate and long-term.

We all have our “types” / preferences.  I tend to go for “the bigger, the better” – meaning superheavies, heavies and sometimes light heavies.  Color has never really been a big issue for me, and I have dealt with many bodybuilders of all races, all over the globe.  Actually, I probably tend to gravitate to bodybuilders with more color in them. So, in the States at least, that sets me a little apart from other, older schmoes, who tend to prefer to deal with only white guys.

Masculinity is also a huge turn-on to me, and I find that to be a must-have, not just a nice-to-have, when I am sponsoring or hiring.  However, over the years, I can without a doubt attest that the manliness of the bodybuilder may have little to do with what is done with the individual client behind closed doors (also, I have found that mileage may vary – often, what one bodybuilder may do with me, they may do something totally different with another “schmoe”, depending on their level of comfort, business arrangement or level of physical attraction / interest in the client. I have had everything from private posing sessions with no or little contact to muscle worship to full-on safe sexual intercourse. It depends on who it is, the arrangement, and the mood I am in.

I do feel that many of the posters here are very naďve. I am attributing that to their lack of travel and worldliness. The g4p relationship happens all over the world, and in varying forms, with men of all shapes and sizes. Bodybuilders are not exempt at all from this practice. Money is often the most enticing factor, but there can be others as well. Also, the concept of “gay” is very much a Western world construct, but that does not mean that homosexual activity between men is not common. On the contrary, it is quite a common practice everywhere; the expression of it, however, is very different here in the USA than it may be elsewhere. Therefore, there are a lot of men everywhere whose sexual behavior is fluid, who would not consider themselves “gay” at all. In many parts of the world, that label is only for out of the closet feminine men, 100% bottoms and/or drag queens and trannies; meanwhile, others are free to discreetly enjoy or get paid for homosex and go back to their straight lives without any interruption. Yes, this applies to bodybuilders as well.

Even in gay circles, my continued attraction and interest in bodybuilders and men with big freaky muscle is probably now, more than ever, considered unusual and odd.  The huge look that I love so much was probably most popular in the 90s to early 2000s. However, increasingly much to my disappointment, gay men (and straight women) are more and more attracted to the lean, sinewy types – which is making the sport and culture of bodybuilding even more of a subculture. My friends / colleagues like “model types” that I call “twinks”, and some of them will do what I do for bodybuilders, and yes, there is a circuit for that as well – although I don’t think the clients are derogatorily called “schmoes” (though I do hear “sponsors” as well). I say this to let some of you know that the bodybuilding hardcore fan base is becoming increasingly limited. However, those of us sponsors, clients and “schmoes” who have this interest or fetish in bodybuilding are here to stay, and in most cases, bring major support to the sport.

Think of g4p in bodybuilding sort of like the blatantly obviously gay uncle that was often cast on old TV shows such as “Bewitched” – everyone knew he existed and knew his deal, but no one really talked about it, but still everyone liked him and didn’t ask any questions because he was fun at parties and gatherings, he kept the lights on, worked the church organ, and/or often brought everyone gifts and helped with the financial bottom line.

So, Getbiggers, with that intro, now it’s your turn….

As a real life bodybuilding sponsor, client, “schmoe”, ASK ME ANYTHING about g4p / gay for pay / sponsoring / schmoeing in men’s bodybuilding. I’ll try to answer as comfortably as I can.

I accept private messages and emails as well, if you would rather not ask me in the public forum.

YD


Title: Re: Ask A “Schmoe” Anything! (G4P / Gay For Pay)
Post by: HTexan on July 08, 2012, 08:57:41 AM
What is the most and least you spent. And what did the bber do?


Title: Re: Ask A “Schmoe” Anything! (G4P / Gay For Pay)
Post by: YellaDawg on July 08, 2012, 09:30:44 AM
What is the most and least you spent. And what did the bber do?

Great question. If we're just talking "per session" or "per visit":

Most spent on a real-life competitive BBer (meaning, a top IFBB / NPC / similar federation BBer): $5,000 (not including other incidentals)

Most spent on a BBer who looked like a competitive BBer but was not: $750

Least spent on a real-life competitive BBer (meaning, a BBer who competed in a regional, national or international contest): $150

Least spent on a BBer who looked like a competitive BBer but was not: $50

I'm putting this into USD since some experiences have been outside USD and require conversion rates.


Title: Re: Ask A “Schmoe” Anything! (G4P / Gay For Pay)
Post by: YellaDawg on July 08, 2012, 09:44:11 AM
Come to think of it, around 2003, I did spend $1k on a New Jersey bodybuilder stripper (non-comp) one night to get him back to my hotel suite from the strip club. That was a one time thing and I later avoided his calls and requests for future help, because he was lame and so not worth it. Maybe the one time I went out against my better judgment and went outside of what I know to be "current market value".


Title: Re: Ask A “Schmoe” Anything! (G4P / Gay For Pay)
Post by: usmcdevildoc on July 08, 2012, 10:30:18 AM
Hey YD:

Yea the $5K is grossly under-estimated.  The "care, maintenance, and growing" of a pro-bber requires much more in terms of financial contributions.
I speak both from having received as a sponsoree and given as a current sponsor. The amount, at least, is more likely $5000 a month to exist. Also if you got something else in addition to money to bring to the table (like being a doctor and knowing all about muscle, knowing all about roids, peptides, gh, etc), it helps. Being a bber or at least looking like you know your way around a gym also helps.

Much of what you say is very true. Hey G4P exists, even though current bodybuilding heirarchy "sticks its head in the sand".

Hey when I was competing several of the judges and production promoters tried to hit on me!!! They probably still do.


Title: Re: Ask A “Schmoe” Anything! (G4P / Gay For Pay)
Post by: YellaDawg on July 08, 2012, 10:51:27 AM
Hey YD:

Yea the $5K is grossly under-estimated.  The "care, maintenance, and growing" of a pro-bber requires much more in terms of financial contributions.
I speak both from having received as a sponsoree and given as a current sponsor. The amount, at least, is more likely $5000 a month to exist. Also if you got something else in addition to money to bring to the table (like being a doctor and knowing all about muscle, knowing all about roids, peptides, gh, etc), it helps. Being a bber or at least looking like you know your way around a gym also helps.

Much of what you say is very true. Hey G4P exists, even though current bodybuilding heirarchy "sticks its head in the sand".

Hey when I was competing several of the judges and production promoters tried to hit on me!!! They probably still do.

USMC:

Was there a question in there? Please submit your posts in the form of a question only.  :P

Like I said upthread, my answers were only for a "per session / per visit" basis only. I was not talking about long-term or stipend type arrangement, which I have had as well, and I could address that, if asked. I do agree with your numbers on those, but only some BBers are even deemed worthy of such kind of support. It's about supply and demand.

As for having to look like a bodybuilder to be a sponsor, client or schmoe, I have to disagree. Maybe that worked for you, but I don't have that look (although I remain very fit) and I NEVER had any problems meeting bodybuilders. If you HONESTLY (not faking it) have the money and the connections they need or crave, you don't have to look like one of their workout partners at all. In fact, most of the ones I know prefer you not to look like that, for one reason or another.

That being said, many "schmoes" don't fit the stereotypical look. Though some really do!

Keep the Q&A coming.


Title: Re: Ask A “Schmoe” Anything! (G4P / Gay For Pay)
Post by: YellaDawg on July 08, 2012, 10:57:18 AM
Hey YD:

Yea the $5K is grossly under-estimated. 

BTW, none of my numbers are "estimated". These are my true personal experiences over 20 years.  Your mileage may, of course, vary. However, I'm in the real market, and these are/were my real numbers. There were, however, other fringe benefits I could provide, so perhaps there is a sliding scale. Or maybe they just liked me. Who knows, and who cares? It's all a Mutual Benefit Society.


Title: Re: Ask A “Schmoe” Anything! (G4P / Gay For Pay)
Post by: YellaDawg on July 08, 2012, 11:03:54 AM

Hey when I was competing several of the judges and production promoters tried to hit on me!!! They probably still do.

Happens a lot. Quite a few judges and promoters or contest workers are gay or bisexual. I judged a few NPC contests. Although I was professional during my stint, I know a few who couldn't help themselves. Off the top of my head. one guy on the East Coast (failed competitor) still works the major contests and shows behind the scenes, some very big ones, AND pimps himself out. Been doing it for years. I doubt it could be a huge secret still.


Title: Re: Ask A “Schmoe” Anything! (G4P / Gay For Pay)
Post by: chadstallion on July 08, 2012, 11:04:20 AM
how 'forward' can you be when talking to a BB about being some sort of 'sponsor'? meaning, in your initial visit, do you outline what you are looking to do and what his level of participation will be?  do you wait after a few more sessions to see if he would be interested in more $$ for more involvement? In other words, i'd be happy to pay for a chance to touch muscles and offer up a blow job with the BB not reciprocating, but if I really like what i see i'd like to more into anal play; both top and bottom.  How do you decide how far you can go with the BB.


Title: Re: Ask A “Schmoe” Anything! (G4P / Gay For Pay)
Post by: YellaDawg on July 08, 2012, 11:40:33 AM
how 'forward' can you be when talking to a BB about being some sort of 'sponsor'? meaning, in your initial visit, do you outline what you are looking to do and what his level of participation will be?  do you wait after a few more sessions to see if he would be interested in more $$ for more involvement? In other words, i'd be happy to pay for a chance to touch muscles and offer up a blow job with the BB not reciprocating, but if I really like what i see i'd like to more into anal play; both top and bottom.  How do you decide how far you can go with the BB.

Great questions.

It's not much different than picking up a girl (or a guy) in an unfamiliar environment. Or similar in some cases to getting past 1st base with a stripper on the pole. Make general, open-ended statements that could be taken either way and if they are curious or take the bait, they will follow-up with questions, where you can just get narrower and narrower in your responses and questions until you two come to an understanding. That way, if he starts to get weirded out or uncomfortable, he walks before too much is said. Often, they may walk away but continue the conversation later in a more private setting. Some wannabe sponsors or schmoes have no fucking discretion and in their desperate attempts to secure a BBer, say too much too soon and freak them out. You have to let them know (1) you are trustworthy and discreet (this has always been the utmost of importance, in my experience, as the internet has become more popular and information is more quickly widespread) (2) you are a real Sugar Daddy, not a fake one with Sweet & Low (a lot of pretenders out there; even the cheaper ones do not consider themselves ho's).

I have usually already shown a bit of the sugar daddy on my sponsor side before I have my first encounter (business lunch, etc) so the competitive BBer already knows I am real by the time we have our first "visit". If it is a rentboy or stripper, it's much easier, just spell it out before anything.

But I am telling you: sponsoring is like polo or drossage; it's a rich man's sport, not a poor man's game and should NOT be attempted by someone who can't afford it. The pathetic "schmoes" are the ones who compete too hard to play on that field yet have little to offer. And there are quite a few of those who ruin it for the best of us.

I have not had to wait very long to establish what the nature of the relationship would be and what is expected. I don't think it's cool to try to trick or sneak someone into something. However, trust and discretion are mutually important in these situations. I am still friendly or cool with most of the BBers I have ever dealt with, and that's because we show each other mutual respect, and have no need to be deceptive or to engage in trickery.


Title: Re: Ask A “Schmoe” Anything! (G4P / Gay For Pay)
Post by: YellaDawg on July 08, 2012, 12:36:49 PM
Here's a story I know. Some of it first-hand, other told to me by one of the participants. I will mention one name since it is publicly known and has already been admitted by the BBer what he did, the other name I will withhold due to his privacy.

Chris Duffy was advertising in mags as Bull Stanton and was traveling taking appointments. This was a few years after he made the 2 gay porn movies, so I didn't know what shape he was in but he used photos from that movie, so I hired him for a session.

He came by my suite. He was no longer in contest shape, or in the shape from those porno flicks, but he was a nice, friendly guy and good for a romp in the hay. As what most people do when they see a suite like this, he started to ask me what I did for a living, which I somewhat shared with him, and he started to open up a bit more about how he got into porn from bodybuilding, then escorting. Actually, in his case, he said, the escorting came first, but only from schmoes and sponsors in the scene, not publicly like it was by then with ads and internet posts. He was approached for porn by a visiting gay pornographer who knew one of his sponsors, then seduced him for sex, then when they were in an open relationship, convinced him to make 1 or 2 gay pornos.

I asked Chris / Bull if he felt there was a lot of gay / g4p activity on the down low in the bodybuilding industry. He said it's there but like old time 50s Hollywood, it is kept secret. Then he told me a story of something that happened to him in the 90s, right after it became a whisper campaign that he shot a gay porno. He was at a big contest in CA, in the audience by himself, and a very top IFBB bodybuilder sat next to him in the back of the auditorium. When I say, VERY top, I mean about as top as one could get. Black, very respected and revered, still to this day. He sat and watched the whole contest with Chris, and halfway through the show, the guy out of nowhere grabs Chris's hand and holds it and places it on his crotch and has Chris holding his dick. He leaves it there for almost the rest of the show. No words were said, just the crotch grabbing in the back in the dark.

Of course, this is all third-party hearsay, which cannot be used in a court of law. But I'm just telling you what he told directly to me, after an already well-paid session with him, and a gorgeous view of the city from my suite.


Title: Re: Ask A “Schmoe” Anything! (G4P / Gay For Pay)
Post by: HTexan on July 08, 2012, 01:51:06 PM
Great question. If we're just talking "per session" or "per visit":

Most spent on a real-life competitive BBer (meaning, a top IFBB / NPC / similar federation BBer): $5,000 (not including other incidentals)

Most spent on a BBer who looked like a competitive BBer but was not: $750

Least spent on a real-life competitive BBer (meaning, a BBer who competed in a regional, national or international contest): $150

Least spent on a BBer who looked like a competitive BBer but was not: $50

I'm putting this into USD since some experiences have been outside USD and require conversion rates.
you left out what they did for that price.  what did the bber do for 50 bucks?


Title: Re: Ask A “Schmoe” Anything! (G4P / Gay For Pay)
Post by: YellaDawg on July 08, 2012, 04:52:50 PM
you left out what they did for that price.  what did the bber do for 50 bucks?

You didn't ask that at first.

What they did, it really deoends on: the person, under what circumstances I met them and the "going rates" there, where in the world I was, what I or they felt like doing, and how desperate they were. I've had some unknown competitive BBers in other parts of the world (where it's much easier to do, because they're not as fucked up in the head about men's fluid sexuality as they are in the Puritan USA) for around that price in US dollars, and we've done it all -- yes, ALL. I've met some here in the States coming out of gyms or in public areas, and didn't pay much more than that sometimes, not often. I've hired some BBers for much more and sometimes done less. It's all about coming to a meeting of the minds during the negotiation. It's not really menu-driven.


Title: Re: Ask A “Schmoe” Anything! (G4P / Gay For Pay)
Post by: HTexan on July 09, 2012, 08:15:16 AM
You didn't ask that at first.

What they did, it really deoends on: the person, under what circumstances I met them and the "going rates" there, where in the world I was, what I or they felt like doing, and how desperate they were. I've had some unknown competitive BBers in other parts of the world (where it's much easier to do, because they're not as fucked up i n the head about men's fluid sexuality as they are in the Puritan USA) for around that price in US dollars, and we've done it all -- yes, ALL. I've met some here in the States coming out of gyms or in public areas, and didn't pay much more than that sometimes, not often. I've hired some BBers for much more and sometimes done less. It's all about coming to a meeting of the minds during the negotiation. It's not really menu-driven.
Epic avoiding the question. Bay> yelladawg


Title: Re: Ask A “Schmoe” Anything! (G4P / Gay For Pay)
Post by: YellaDawg on July 09, 2012, 09:38:27 AM
Epic avoiding the question. Bay> yelladawg

Sorry you didn't get the answer you wanted. However, I did answer your question. I am not going to provide you a menu of services performed at what price because that never existed for me.

I am definitely NOT Bay, however. Our tastes in men are quite different (with some exceptions).


Title: Re: Ask A “Schmoe” Anything! (G4P / Gay For Pay)
Post by: usmcdevildoc on July 14, 2012, 03:41:30 AM
How easy is it for you to develop a base of reference and referral?  Know several competitive bbers who do heavy cycles, and will kick back for bodyworship and oral, noting that they make $1k for there services
without reciprocation on their part. They try to get one or two sponsors only, so all is kept real quite. Seems like a real easy way to supplement income.


Title: Re: Ask A “Schmoe” Anything! (G4P / Gay For Pay)
Post by: chadstallion on July 14, 2012, 05:36:14 AM
a buddy of mine, who is a licensed massage therapist attends all the free Venice Beach contests ( memorial day, 4th july, labor day ) and passes out his cards to the crowd members he finds interesting. contestants and attendees. chats them up, offers them a one hour free session - if they like the massage and want to continue then he charges. he has had very good luck with a few guys - all str8/married or with gfs - take him up on his free offer. over half of them have ended with the BB getting a hardon and asking if my buddy would take care of it. one of them wanted to be fucked. he ended up seeing my friend for several months; called him up after working out and before going back home. a drop by fuck. thats all; i was there one time and got to add to the fun.  he walks in, says hi, goes to the bedroom, strips and gets up on all fours. doesnt want foreplay-just a good hard simple fucking. ah, to be in southern CA again!


Title: Re: Ask A “Schmoe” Anything! (G4P / Gay For Pay)
Post by: usmcdevildoc on July 15, 2012, 07:37:42 AM
Isn't there a G4P service run out of Gold's Venice-- the pimp being a former contest pro who gets $500 kick back to arrange introductions? Marine bud would drive up to LA every weekend to lift at Gold's, kick back, and drive home with some serious bank.


Title: Re: Ask A “Schmoe” Anything! (G4P / Gay For Pay)
Post by: HTexan on July 15, 2012, 01:49:09 PM
Isn't there a G4P service run out of Gold's Venice-- the pimp being a former contest pro who gets $500 kick back to arrange introductions? Marine bud would drive up to LA every weekend to lift at Gold's, kick back, and drive home with some serious bank.
didnt beefy say one bber tribs in the Gold's locker room? I forget dudes name....


Title: Re: Ask A “Schmoe” Anything! (G4P / Gay For Pay)
Post by: yngclassic98 on July 17, 2012, 02:42:54 PM
Hey Yella! Thanks for posting this, and thanks for being so classy with your responses. My question is multi-faceted: Do sponsors typically know what they're looking to do before they approach someone, and are sponsor's expected to do all of the soliciting? In other words, how forward can a young bodybuilder be in reaching out for assistance? We all know that guys with cheesy worship sites are a dime-a-dozen, but how much is appropriate?

I'm training for my first competition now, and though I feel like I have a long way yet to go, I'm on the right track. I've been told for years that I have the build to get big and to take advantage of my potential. Now that I have, all this talk of G4P and "schmoes" just really has my mind spinning. I'm pretty sure that I've been approached by gentlemen in my gym that are a little "too interested" in my growth and my goals, and I wonder if those could have been potential sponsors based on the things they would say to me. Is it silly/bigheaded of me to think that someone would really approach me in the way that you do in your circles? And if it were to ever happen, should I really just leave it up to the sponsor to approach me? How often do you think bbr's solicit "schmoes" and get shut down for barking up the wrong tree? lol It all just seems like such a secret that you really know the passwords to get involved.

That was a lot of questions, but hey, if you're feeling bored one day... :)


Title: Re: Ask A “Schmoe” Anything! (G4P / Gay For Pay)
Post by: YellaDawg on July 18, 2012, 09:17:07 AM
How easy is it for you to develop a base of reference and referral?  Know several competitive bbers who do heavy cycles, and will kick back for bodyworship and oral, noting that they make $1k for there services
without reciprocation on their part. They try to get one or two sponsors only, so all is kept real quite. Seems like a real easy way to supplement income.


USMC:

I think there are different approaches to being a sponsor / client, depending on what the sponsor has to offer. In other words, is the sponsor well connected in the sport, in any other sport, or in medicine, or in media / entertainment, or is he just flat-out wealthy? If he has one of those attributes, then honestly, there isn't much need for a network of referrals. He already has the goods, in that case. Personally, I have never had to work in groups, or do things like work the internet muscle worship sites, trolling for muscle. I find the ones that do either of these things (in general, although there are some exceptions) really do not have much to offer the bodybuilder, and usually are just trying to leech.

I do know a few guys that, like me, that have the goods and are legitimate private sponsors of bodybuilders. I also know (or know of) a few who like to call themselves "sponsors" but really are just glorified johns for escorts and the like... sometimes there is overlap; but often not. It's important to understand the difference. A true sponsor can and is quite willing to sustain your bodybuilding career for an extended period of time. The others are johns or clients (a nicer word).

I know of one physician in the Northeast (dermatologist). Older guy, really atrocious-looking, looks like a stereotypical "schmoe", or just a stereotypical old gay doctor. HUGE schmoe. Because of his age, looks, and overall old gay man appearance, he does go through referrals and references, even down to writing scripts for juice and GH for "patients" who turn around and use them to give to their BBers. He's been doing this for YEARS. He had a stable of competitive and wannabe BBers that would come to him for "dermatological advice".

The big party given at another doctor's Manhattan house that used to be post-NOC, but now may be post-NY Pro, has some regular, well-healed schmoes and sponsors mixed in with some top competitors. If you could get an invite to this party, you're golden. If you aren't part of the circle and/or can't bring in some new BBer meat for those leering eyes, then you are of no use to them. This party has a mix of doctors, lawyers, bankers, Broadway producers, ad executives, supplement company owners, photographers, party promoters, competition judges, NPC and IFBB competitors, and wives and girlfriends.

More later. Keep the questions coming.


Title: Re: Ask A “Schmoe” Anything! (G4P / Gay For Pay)
Post by: YellaDawg on July 18, 2012, 09:29:26 AM
a buddy of mine, who is a licensed massage therapist attends all the free Venice Beach contests ( memorial day, 4th july, labor day ) and passes out his cards to the crowd members he finds interesting. contestants and attendees. chats them up, offers them a one hour free session - if they like the massage and want to continue then he charges. he has had very good luck with a few guys - all str8/married or with gfs - take him up on his free offer. over half of them have ended with the BB getting a hardon and asking if my buddy would take care of it. one of them wanted to be fucked. he ended up seeing my friend for several months; called him up after working out and before going back home. a drop by fuck. thats all; i was there one time and got to add to the fun.  he walks in, says hi, goes to the bedroom, strips and gets up on all fours. doesnt want foreplay-just a good hard simple fucking. ah, to be in southern CA again!

There are guys who hand out cards at almost every competition, some are less discreet than others. One guy even leaves his cards on the sinks in the men's rooms at the shows! However, if you have a worthy, legitimate service to offer (not putting something on your card like "schmoe" or "sponsorship available"), then hell, go for it.

I am a bit of a snob with my contact info in every aspect of life. I do not give it out freely, and that includes my business card.

Back in the early days, I did experiment with placing ads in bodybuilding magazines. That can have mixed results, but I did end up having a few sponsorship relationships with some competitors, top and otherwise.


Title: Re: Ask A “Schmoe” Anything! (G4P / Gay For Pay)
Post by: YellaDawg on July 18, 2012, 09:34:43 AM
Isn't there a G4P service run out of Gold's Venice-- the pimp being a former contest pro who gets $500 kick back to arrange introductions? Marine bud would drive up to LA every weekend to lift at Gold's, kick back, and drive home with some serious bank.

I believe this is a story from the late 70s to early 80s. Not the same scene at Gold's Venice nowadays.


Title: Re: Ask A “Schmoe” Anything! (G4P / Gay For Pay)
Post by: YellaDawg on July 18, 2012, 09:49:30 AM
Hey Yella! Thanks for posting this, and thanks for being so classy with your responses. My question is multi-faceted: Do sponsors typically know what they're looking to do before they approach someone, and are sponsor's expected to do all of the soliciting? In other words, how forward can a young bodybuilder be in reaching out for assistance? We all know that guys with cheesy worship sites are a dime-a-dozen, but how much is appropriate?

I'm training for my first competition now, and though I feel like I have a long way yet to go, I'm on the right track. I've been told for years that I have the build to get big and to take advantage of my potential. Now that I have, all this talk of G4P and "schmoes" just really has my mind spinning. I'm pretty sure that I've been approached by gentlemen in my gym that are a little "too interested" in my growth and my goals, and I wonder if those could have been potential sponsors based on the things they would say to me. Is it silly/bigheaded of me to think that someone would really approach me in the way that you do in your circles? And if it were to ever happen, should I really just leave it up to the sponsor to approach me? How often do you think bbr's solicit "schmoes" and get shut down for barking up the wrong tree? lol It all just seems like such a secret that you really know the passwords to get involved.

That was a lot of questions, but hey, if you're feeling bored one day... :)

Yngclassic:

Yes, sponsors are VERY much aware in advance what they are looking for in a bodybuilder and what they expect out of the relationship. However, if you are comfortable with "the dance", then you as a bodybuilder should not feel wary about making an approach to a potential sponsor. By "the dance", I mean you provide a little open-ended, suggestive info; if they bite, they will give more back, then you give more, then he does, until you come to a mutual meeting of the minds.

Also, I would be cautious in dealing with the worship websites. Needless to say, those guys can be scam artists, and very much can behave like vampires just looking for new blood. Remember, you want discretion, and you would want a client who would want discretion for himself as well. A lot of the so-called sponsors on certain worship sites, even the webmasters, can babble and gossip like 14 year old girls, or brag about their conquests to groups of friends. Others have not yet figured out that nothing is ever private on the internet. So proceed with caution.

It sounds like the approaches at your gym do have the potential for g4p/ muscle admiration / sponsorship.  Remain approachable and friendly and keep your comments open-ended, and you may be surprised where it may end up. Think of it like how many girls do harmless public flirting. It allows the guy to make the big moves, and she can back away at any time if it starts to get too weird for her. But a guy who wants more will usually pick up on it and take more of the lead.

So casually bring up in conversations what your BBing goals are, and see if there is any followup on their part.


Title: Re: Ask A “Schmoe” Anything! (G4P / Gay For Pay)
Post by: yngclassic98 on July 18, 2012, 10:32:42 AM
Thanks Yella! Its still interesting to think about the bodybuilding lifestyle as a subculture when it seems so important to those of us within it. You've mentioned that in the 80's and 90's when bodybuilding was "big" there was more acceptance for the sport... do you think we could ever return to that way of thinking, or will it continue to shrink further into a mere niche?

Yngclassic:

Yes, sponsors are VERY much aware in advance what they are looking for in a bodybuilder and what they expect out of the relationship. However, if you are comfortable with "the dance", then you as a bodybuilder should not feel wary about making an apporach to a potential sponsor. By "the dance", I mean you provide a little oen-ended, suggestive info; if they bite, they will give more back, then you give more, then he does, until you come to a mutual meeting of the minds.

Also, I would be cautious on dealing with the worship websites. Needless to say, those guys can be scam artists, and very much can behave like vampires just looking for new blood. Remember, you want discretion, and you would want a client who would want discretion for himself as well. A lot of the so-called sponsors on certain worship sites, even the webmasters, can babble and gossip like 14 year old girls, or brag about their conquests to groups of friends. Others have not yet figured out that nothing is ever private on the internet. So proceed with caution.

It sounds like the apporoaches at your gym do have the potential for g4p/ muscle admiration / sponsorship.  Remain approachable and friendly and keep your comments open-ended, and you may be surprsied where it may end up. Think of it like how many girls do harmless public flirting. It allows the guy to make the big moves, and she can back away at any time if it starts to get too weird for her. But a guy who wants more will usually pick up on it and take more of the lead.

So casually bring up in conversations what your BBing goals are, and see if there is any followup on their part.


Title: Re: Ask A “Schmoe” Anything! (G4P / Gay For Pay)
Post by: YellaDawg on July 18, 2012, 11:56:24 AM
Thanks Yella! Its still interesting to think about the bodybuilding lifestyle as a subculture when it seems so important to those of us within it. You've mentioned that in the 80's and 90's when bodybuilding was "big" there was more acceptance for the sport... do you think we could ever return to that way of thinking, or will it continue to shrink further into a mere niche?


I think extreme bodybuilding and the look that goes along with it is going to remain a niche for some time. Trends tend to go on a pendulum, so maybe a generation will have to go by before it goes back to be being mainstream. There are aspects of bodybuilding that are mainstreamed and that may not change much. However, the preferred, desired look for the unwashed masses is the lean. sinewy, athletic look.

Now that does not mean that there isn't good money or a career to be made in the sport of the look of extreme bodybuilding. I'd argue that a successful big bodybuilder can make more and be more visible in this niche market than the 10,000 to 100,000 of generic wannabe male models that all look the same.


Title: Re: Ask A “Schmoe” Anything! (G4P / Gay For Pay)
Post by: usmcdevildoc on July 22, 2012, 05:14:12 PM
Guess what??  For the right price they are all G4P!!!  Sometimes these guys (the bodybuilders)  get a little desperate and will allow poor judgement to prevail. That is when they get a reputation for providing escort services.  This certainly can detract from goals set in competition, depending on  how judges feel.  For instance, with the current publicity, it is unlikely that the parents of little Johnny who views his wrestling or bodybuilding champ as a superhero, would want their son to even get involved with an athlete, or look up to an athlete, who is selling his body to make payment for his apartment and gear costs. Superhero status or not.


Now the question: Don't you think it would be more acceptable to have someone on the down low as a single sponsor dealing with an elite bodybuilder and truly helping the bber out financially. Whether they drop trou or not is their own business!! ;D


Title: Re: Ask A “Schmoe” Anything! (G4P / Gay For Pay)
Post by: YellaDawg on July 22, 2012, 07:20:18 PM
Guess what??  For the right price they are all G4P!!!  Sometimes these guys (the bodybuilders)  get a little desperate and will allow poor judgement to prevail. That is when they get a reputation for providing escort services.  This certainly can detract from goals set in competition, depending on  how judges feel.  For instance, with the current publicity, it is unlikely that the parents of little Johnny who views his wrestling or bodybuilding champ as a superhero, would want their son to even get involved with an athlete, or look up to an athlete, who is selling his body to make payment for his apartment and gear costs. Superhero status or not.


Now the question: Don't you think it would be more acceptable to have someone on the down low as a single sponsor dealing with an elite bodybuilder and truly helping the bber out financially. Whether they drop trou or not is their own business!! ;D

The answer to your question is yes. The most acceptable and preferred route (for bodybuilders) is to have one discreet wealthy or connected sponsor who can meet all of that bodybuilder's needs. However, finding that is often The Holy Grail. There are far more bodybuilders who need or want sponsorship than there are legitimate sponsors and schmoes willing and able to sponsor. The laws of supply and demand come into play.

Regarding your other comment, I do not think all bodybuilders are G4P. However, a high percentage of them are, have been, or are willing to be under the right circumstances. One day, just for shits and giggles, I might go through the comprehensive list of comp BBers at MuscleMemory and count how many I know have done some form of G4P work.


Title: Re: Ask A “Schmoe” Anything! (G4P / Gay For Pay)
Post by: usmcdevildoc on July 24, 2012, 02:07:08 PM
Hypothetical:
How many times have you been scammed by a bodybuilder 'opportunist'  preying  on your good will to promote their endeavors? What was the outcome?


Title: Re: Ask A “Schmoe” Anything! (G4P / Gay For Pay)
Post by: HTexan on July 24, 2012, 05:48:55 PM
Hypothetical:
How many times have you been scammed by a bodybuilder 'opportunist'  preying  on your good will to promote their endeavors? What was the outcome?
You have that backwards. it is the schmoe opportunist that scam the poor bbers out of their ass virginity. That is why bber contests don't pay any real money. They never want the starving bbers to get out of the old crusty pervert hands.  :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(


Title: Re: Ask A “Schmoe” Anything! (G4P / Gay For Pay)
Post by: YellaDawg on July 24, 2012, 07:15:47 PM
Hypothetical:
How many times have you been scammed by a bodybuilder 'opportunist'  preying  on your good will to promote their endeavors? What was the outcome?

I've never really been scammed because I'm pretty good at what I do and as they say you can't play a player.

I've had a couple that thought they were getting over on me, but ultimately, it's not what they think, it's what I know.

One IFBB pro who never really made much of himself was constantly trying to get assistance from me without doing anything, even having the nerve to show up to my hotel with his trailer park fitness girlfriend, to use her as a buffer. Then, she (the girlfriend) had the nerve to call me when they had a show and her credit card was declined for their hotel room! I let him know that my credit wasn't free. He found a way to secure his debt with me, right away, right before his prejudging! BTW, a few years later, he was actively looking for schmoe sponsors for awhile.

Another guy who was a top NPC competitor gave me a private muscle worship show for a somewhat high-end price. It was so bad and so hands off that I never contacted him again. His career never went anywhere. Coincidence? You tell me.

Most of them, however, have been good to excellent experiences. If I think it'll turn out bad, I don't push it and I walk away. There are too many out there who will to worry about the ones who won't.


Title: Re: Ask A “Schmoe” Anything! (G4P / Gay For Pay)
Post by: YellaDawg on July 24, 2012, 07:17:34 PM
You have that backwards. it is the schmoe opportunist that scam the poor bbers out of their ass virginity.

Why are you obsessed with men ass fucking?


Title: Re: Ask A “Schmoe” Anything! (G4P / Gay For Pay)
Post by: HTexan on July 25, 2012, 08:41:59 AM
Why are you obsessed with men ass fucking?
Why do you paid money to rape bbers you filthy schmoe?


Title: Re: Ask A “Schmoe” Anything! (G4P / Gay For Pay)
Post by: YellaDawg on July 25, 2012, 09:00:04 AM
Why do you paid money to rape bbers you filthy schmoe?

You can't rape the willing, Genius.


Title: Re: Ask A “Schmoe” Anything! (G4P / Gay For Pay)
Post by: HTexan on July 25, 2012, 09:15:55 AM
You can't rape the willing, Genius.
Kept telling yourself that, you disgusting sick fuck.  :D


Title: Re: Ask A “Schmoe” Anything! (G4P / Gay For Pay)
Post by: YellaDawg on July 25, 2012, 12:29:48 PM
Kept telling yourself that, you disgusting sick fuck.  :D

Without casting aspersions, and trying to answer intelligently for once, please articulate what you believe constitutes "rape" or is "disgusting, sick" about two consenting adults agreeing to a sexual act or a non-sexual act with each other?


Title: Re: Ask A “Schmoe” Anything! (G4P / Gay For Pay)
Post by: usmcdevildoc on July 25, 2012, 01:14:36 PM
Kudos to the originator of the topic. This is important coverage of one of the sleeziest elements of the "darkside" of bodybuilding that despite folks regarding it in disbelief or a figment of someone's imagination, is alive and well and florishing. G4P is alive and well in bodybuilding.

Question: Is there much in terms of networking between bbers for sponsors? How often does the bber approach an individual for sponsorship (that is what happened to me)?


Title: Re: Ask A “Schmoe” Anything! (G4P / Gay For Pay)
Post by: YellaDawg on July 25, 2012, 01:35:44 PM
Question: Is there much in terms of networking between bbers for sponsors? How often does the bber approach an individual for sponsorship (that is what happened to me)?

I don't know the answer to your first question, but my educated guess based on my personal experience is that most bbers aren't interesting in spreading the wealth much, and they do not want it known too much how they get their money, gear, etc. So if they find a good sponsor, they will keep him for themselves. If the sponsor asks the bber for referrals, then there could be introductions, of course for a price. I do know one BBer who would hook up this older rich schmoe with other BBers he knew, in exchange for some dough and some good gear. But I personally never experienced that.

Regarding question #2, in my personal experience, I have been approached by BBers who suspect I am helping another BBer a little too much. They just strike up a conversation and tell me how they are looking for what so-and-so has, and it looks like I have been real helpful to that BBer in his career or hi contests. Or they tell me how much they really want to get sponsored by a supplement company. One BBer asked me to review a performance contract he received from an equipment company, and it led from there. Another guy remembers me from travelling with another BBer at the Arnold Classic, saw me at another show, and started talking business, which we continued later at a restaurant after the show. It's not really rocket science.


Title: Re: Ask A “Schmoe” Anything! (G4P / Gay For Pay)
Post by: bboy121 on July 26, 2012, 06:20:10 PM
Have you ever approached a guy at your gym? And if so, what was the approach like?


Title: Re: Ask A “Schmoe” Anything! (G4P / Gay For Pay)
Post by: YellaDawg on July 26, 2012, 07:09:59 PM
Have you ever approached a guy at your gym? And if so, what was the approach like?

I have never personally approached anyone at the gym that I did not previously know. I have, however, been introduced to bodybuilders at the gym from gym managers and gym owners. That has worked out well.


Title: Re: Ask A “Schmoe” Anything! (G4P / Gay For Pay)
Post by: YellaDawg on July 27, 2012, 06:19:31 AM
I wanted to add some commentary about those who seem to have a real issue with men who enjoy muscle worship and have the disposable income to pay for it, if they so choose.

I travel on a regular basis and vacation in many places all over the world. I own or co-own a couple of properties that are often used as vacation places for many of my colleagues. These colleagues are both straight and gay, but most of them are straight men.

All of the straight men have shared with me that they enjoy going to exotic locales and using their money to wine and dine the hottest women and pay for dates in exchange for sexual favors from them. Many of them also have their own secret luxury apartments in US cities that they use for the same purpose. They fly in women they meet in other cities or other countries, have them stay for a while, pay the women well or give them lots of nice womanly gifts, have their way with them, and send them home.

Why do straight men with money do this? Because they can! Hell, even men with thin wallets and small budgets try to get away with it as much as they can. I recall when I was a kid, my grandmother discovering that my grandfather (who was not a wealthy man by any means) had been paying for another woman to get a Maytag washer and dryer. Somehow the bill accidentally was sent to my grandma.

Anyway, men are men -- gay or straight. Just as many straight men like to use their disposable income or influence to have fun with hot chicks, many men who like men like to do the same with hot men. This happens all over the planet and has been going on since the dawn of time. The notion of Western romantic love and marriage is a relatively new one.  


Title: Re: Ask A “Schmoe” Anything! (G4P / Gay For Pay)
Post by: YellaDawg on July 30, 2012, 08:16:31 AM
The results for the 2012 NPC USA are in.

The competitors are posted at MD. http://pics.musculardevelopment.com/index.php?mode=contest&eventcode=1563

I counted 8 competitors in men's bodybuilding that I know have done some form of g4p.

And those are just the ones I am aware of!  :o


Title: Re: Ask A “Schmoe” Anything! (G4P / Gay For Pay)
Post by: usmcdevildoc on July 31, 2012, 04:36:28 AM
The results for the 2012 NPC USA are in.

The competitors are posted at MD. http://pics.musculardevelopment.com/index.php?mode=contest&eventcode=1563

I counted 8 competitors in men's bodybuilding that I know have done some form of g4p.

And those are just the ones I am aware of!  :o
[/quote

Dude you are dead on!!! How do you think it feels standing there and knowing some schmoe is in the audience that blew you multiple times? How can u win a show like that if have no perception of self worth--just kick back at lib for some ass licking and blow job (maybe more) with multiple partners? Not saying it ain't an easy way to make money, but unless you got just one sponsor who becomes a friend and repository, the multiple partner escort thing would give me a really poor self image. That has to have some impact on one's winning! I think it better to have one sponsor if the guy can handle the financial obligation of support.
Once your obligation financially is completed, how many of
these guys end up on your doorstep again looking for a handout ??  It
is a rough world out there financially. After your support and a none win, how many recognize what a good thing they had and approach again and again.


Title: Re: Ask A “Schmoe” Anything! (G4P / Gay For Pay)
Post by: YellaDawg on July 31, 2012, 04:46:32 AM

Dude you are dead on!!! How do you think it feels standing there and knowing some schmoe is in the audience that blew you multiple times? How can u win a show like that if have no perception of self worth--just kick back at lib for some ass licking and blow job (maybe more) with multiple partners? Not saying it ain't an easy way to make money, but unless you got just one sponsor who becomes a friend and repository, the multiple partner escort thing would give me a really poor self image. That has to have some impact on one's winning! I think it better to have one sponsor if the guy can handle the financial obligation of support.
Once your obligation financially is completed, how many of
these guys end up on your doorstep again looking for a handout ??  It
is a rough world out there financially. After your support and a none win, how many recognize what a good thing they had and approach again and again.

Well, at least one of the competitors who earned their pro card at the USA this past weekend has done g4p in the past. I suspect he moved very quickly into the "just one rich discreet sponsor" category.


Title: Re: Ask A “Schmoe” Anything! (G4P / Gay For Pay)
Post by: yngclassic98 on July 31, 2012, 03:08:06 PM
The results for the 2012 NPC USA are in.

The competitors are posted at MD. http://pics.musculardevelopment.com/index.php?mode=contest&eventcode=1563

I counted 8 competitors in men's bodybuilding that I know have done some form of g4p.

And those are just the ones I am aware of!  :o
[/quote

Dude you are dead on!!! How do you think it feels standing there and knowing some schmoe is in the audience that blew you multiple times? How can u win a show like that if have no perception of self worth--just kick back at lib for some ass licking and blow job (maybe more) with multiple partners? Not saying it ain't an easy way to make money, but unless you got just one sponsor who becomes a friend and repository, the multiple partner escort thing would give me a really poor self image. That has to have some impact on one's winning! I think it better to have one sponsor if the guy can handle the financial obligation of support.
Once your obligation financially is completed, how many of
these guys end up on your doorstep again looking for a handout ??  It
is a rough world out there financially. After your support and a none win, how many recognize what a good thing they had and approach again and again.

In all fairness, we don't know who is doing what (or who) behind closed doors. We ALL have to use our best judgement with the decisions that we make. Financially, we have be responsible for those decisions, and recognize that they just might come back to bite us in the butt. For some people, that bite comes in the form of guilt or shame, but for some, it doesn't matter one way or another. When we look at these guys on stage who pick up their pro cards or what have you, did they train any less or sacrifice any less for their status? Sponsors help to make the dream happen, but these guys still have to work hard to shape their bodies into the form that we are all so obsessed with. I would imagine that if you're posing on stage and your "schmoe" is in the audience watching, you can either smile and wink in acknowledgement for him helping you, or you can turn red with shame as if you saw your one-night stand in the grocery store. I can definitely see how you could get a poor self image, but as with any decision, own what you did and move on.

Meanwhile, I'm sure Yella could share that these sponsors have a good idea of what they are doing and that they know how to control a situation. 


Title: Re: Ask A “Schmoe” Anything! (G4P / Gay For Pay)
Post by: YellaDawg on July 31, 2012, 06:23:00 PM
Shame and guilt are oppressive feelings with no meaningful, positive purpose.


Title: Re: Ask A “Schmoe” Anything! (G4P / Gay For Pay)
Post by: usmcdevildoc on August 01, 2012, 01:53:15 PM
There is no question in my mind that KNOWN bodybuilders who have been known to participate in G4P or porn are jeapordizing their careers in terms of a glass ceiling on how well they place in competition. What is your feeling? An example would be several of the weight classes at USA.
And yes you were right about the number of G4P on stage!! Care to compare notes?  I think this again
stress the need for 1 wealthy supportive person who can keep his mouth shut.


Title: Re: Ask A “Schmoe” Anything! (G4P / Gay For Pay)
Post by: Beefjake on August 01, 2012, 02:50:09 PM
Do you think that this kind of behavior is easier because in BB your body is your craft so to speak?

I mean in sports and in BB especially your back hurts. Not, you hurt in your back. Or your operated
knee doesn't co-operate with you or I'll manage with my poor metabolism and so forth.

You tend to separate your self from your body.

I mean I would wager that lot's of these sponsored BB's do not consider themselves gay
even though their actions say other. What would you say?

Could there even be female sponsors? Even a typical non physical dad fucks the hell out of
his neighbors wife when given a chance. And if you are on gear that would be 20xfold.

I don't even wan't to imagine how much this sponsoring happens in the female side
of fitness industry. Everything works the same but without public pressure, or very much less of it anyway..

Conversations sake I'll hope you find a question or two in there!


Title: Re: Ask A “Schmoe” Anything! (G4P / Gay For Pay)
Post by: YellaDawg on August 02, 2012, 04:06:23 AM
There is no question in my mind that KNOWN bodybuilders who have been known to participate in G4P or porn are jeapordizing their careers in terms of a glass ceiling on how well they place in competition. What is your feeling? An example would be several of the weight classes at USA.
And yes you were right about the number of G4P on stage!! Care to compare notes?  I think this again
stress the need for 1 wealthy supportive person who can keep his mouth shut.

I think it really depends on the public level of G4P that the bodybuilder participates in, in inverse relation to the quality of the bodybuilder's condition, that determines the effect on his placings. In other words, if he is discreet (like most are and want to be), the publicly known G4P activity is not too "dirty" (for example, just nude solo photos versus out-and-out sexual intercourse on film or being a publicly advertised escort), and/or the publicity from the G4P activity is minimal, AND the BBer is at the top of his craft, then the effect on placings is minimal. It really only affects the ones who are at the margins and reasons can be found by judges to place them lower than others.

I'm looking at the current USA placings and not seeing much effect at all on the G4P activity. In fact, it could well be argued that the ones who I know did G4P actually placed HIGHER than the ones who didn't -- with one even turning pro. So, perhaps it's an advantage in the sport!

Regarding "comparing notes" on who does what, I'm really not into "outing" people without their permission. Unless they have done something to out themselves publicly, then it's fair game. Plus, as an active sponsor / "schmoe", discretion has always helped me succeed in my hobby and I would like to keep it that way. I would not have gotten as far as I have in this field in the last 20 years without being able to keep my mouth shut. Not to say I would NEVER discuss certain things with others, but my question is always, "what's in for me if I do?" But if you want to PM me and go for it, then feel free.

Re: bodybuilders finding one wealthy discreet sponsor, yes, that's the goal and the Holy Grail. Like I said before, there are FAR more BBers who want "sponsorship" (whether private or corporate) than there are rich benefactors who are ready and willing to sponsor them.


Title: Re: Ask A “Schmoe” Anything! (G4P / Gay For Pay)
Post by: YellaDawg on August 02, 2012, 04:29:32 AM
Do you think that this kind of behavior is easier because in BB your body is your craft so to speak?

I mean in sports and in BB especially your back hurts. Not, you hurt in your back. Or your operated
knee doesn't co-operate with you or I'll manage with my poor metabolism and so forth.

You tend to separate your self from your body.

I mean I would wager that lot's of these sponsored BB's do not consider themselves gay
even though their actions say other. What would you say?

Could there even be female sponsors? Even a typical non physical dad fucks the hell out of
his neighbors wife when given a chance. And if you are on gear that would be 20xfold.

I don't even wan't to imagine how much this sponsoring happens in the female side
of fitness industry. Everything works the same but without public pressure, or very much less of it anyway..

Conversations sake I'll hope you find a question or two in there!


To answer your questions:

I think it is easier in BBing because it's an activity that is highly homoerotic, the physique is your only marketing tool, the sport has always had a large gay element and support to it, and although not expensive at the low-end (if one just wants to work out and lift weights), it is much more expensive at the middle to top range and very "bottle-necked" when it comes to competitions, fortune and fame.

Regarding who considers themselves gay and who doesn't, very few of them do. As I said before, activities like this occur between men all over the world and they are not defined as "gay". "Gay" is mostly a modern Western world cultural concept. For some bodybuilders who do some G4P activities, it's a quick, easy buck. For others, it's a big turn-on to have hot photos or to be worshipped by an admirer. For others, it's a marketing tool. For others, they just may like it. For others, it's no big deal whatsoever and means absolutely nothing. There are a number of reasons any bodybuilder might be interested.

Regarding female sponsors and schmoes, there may be a few, but it's going to be far, FAR less than the male sponsors. Maybe 1-2% at the most. Yes, the female BBing world (as well as the female fitness modeling world) is overrun with male schmoes who spend money, and they are much more open about it on that side of the field. I'm not into female bodybuilding or female fitness modeling at all, so I can't comment much about it more than that. So if you want to generate a discussion about that, you'll have to get your answers somewhere else. This is about G4P in men's bodybuilding.


Title: Re: Ask A “Schmoe” Anything! (G4P / Gay For Pay)
Post by: Beefjake on August 02, 2012, 06:04:39 AM
I'm not into female bodybuilding or female fitness modeling at all, so I can't comment much about it more than that. So if you want to generate a discussion about that, you'll have to get your answers somewhere else. This is about G4P in men's bodybuilding.

No no, it was jut a train of thought. Thanks for answers.


Title: Re: Ask A “Schmoe” Anything! (G4P / Gay For Pay)
Post by: 6 Reps on August 02, 2012, 08:58:41 PM
There is no question in my mind that KNOWN bodybuilders who have been known to participate in G4P or porn are jeapordizing their careers in terms of a glass ceiling on how well they place in competition. What is your feeling? An example would be several of the weight classes at USA.
And yes you were right about the number of G4P on stage!! Care to compare notes?  I think this again
stress the need for 1 wealthy supportive person who can keep his mouth shut.

One of the USA contestants, who is considering a rising star, only took second in his class.  Quite awhile back on one of the gay photo sites there were routine photos of him.  However below the photos there was a link to a site of a gay porn video he had made.  The video was obviously made a few years earlier as he was much smaller in it.  I have no idea if the video was a G4P or just G4G.  Anyway, within just a day or two of this posting on the gay photo site, the link was taken down!!!  The regular photos did remain.  Is this perhaps why he only took second?

If so, it is appalling the homophobic hypocrisy in bodybuilding.  I don't know any judges, but I have seen some judges at contests that look like they never exercised a day in their life.  The only conclusion I make is that they are gay.  No straight man, who is not into athletics or fitness, is going to sit around and evaluate other men's bodies.

I truly believe that Kai Greene will never win Mr. Olympia, no matter what he looks like, for this same reason: a glass ceiling.



  


Title: Re: Ask A “Schmoe” Anything! (G4P / Gay For Pay)
Post by: NYSTATEOFMIND on August 02, 2012, 09:16:32 PM
yella

In your travels, has any mr Olympia ( within the last 15 years) participated in VERY g4p actions? i mean very gay


Title: Re: Ask A “Schmoe” Anything! (G4P / Gay For Pay)
Post by: YellaDawg on August 03, 2012, 05:08:50 AM
One of the USA contestants, who is considering a rising star, only took second in his class.  Quite awhile back on one of the gay photo sites there were routine photos of him.  However below the photos there was a link to a site of a gay porn video he had made.  The video was obviously made a few years earlier as he was much smaller in it.  I have no idea if the video was a G4P or just G4G.  Anyway, within just a day or two of this posting on the gay photo site, the link was taken down!!!  The regular photos did remain.  Is this perhaps why he only took second?

If so, it is appalling the homophobic hypocrisy in bodybuilding.  I don't know any judges, but I have seen some judges at contests that look like they never exercised a day in their life.  The only conclusion I make is that they are gay.  No straight man, who is not into athletics or fitness, is going to sit around and evaluate other men's bodies.

I truly believe that Kai Greene will never win Mr. Olympia, no matter what he looks like, for this same reason: a glass ceiling.



The competitor that you are referring to who took second in his class was beaten by a competitor who also did G4P photos and videos and private posing. That one was awarded his pro card. So, to answer your question, I don't think it hurt #2's placings. Actually, I think he got the placing he deserved, and should do better in future contests.

Links are usually taken down by the copyright owner, not the competitor. Certain adult sites, gay sites and forums like this one may have policies that remove photos, videos or links if they feel they are defamatory or to protect someone, or as a courtesy -- but to think the links, photos and videos aren't available already elsewhere on the net is just naive. This same kind of ass-backwards thinking about file sharing and chasing shadows is what killed the recording industry.

Re: how judges look, yes about half the judges are not in bodybuilding or fitness shape, and have not participated in competitions ever. But have you seen boxing judges, beauty pageant judges, and gymnastics judges? A lot of them look like they do not belong either. And do not forget, some of the judges who also compete in bodybuilding may be gay, as well. So do not judge the sexuality of the judges simply by how they look - you might be fooled.

Kai Greene is and has always marched to a very different drum. Mr. O is desperate to have or keep a "mainstream" spokesman for its federation -- and Kai just is not it. The G4P stuff probably just adds to it for him, but it certainly isn't the only thing that keeps him from the Mr. O.


Title: Re: Ask A “Schmoe” Anything! (G4P / Gay For Pay)
Post by: YellaDawg on August 03, 2012, 05:15:10 AM
yella

In your travels, has any mr Olympia ( within the last 15 years) participated in VERY g4p actions? i mean very gay

You would have to define for me what YOU think is "VERY g4p actions" before I answer that question for you.

However, I do know that some recent Mr. O's have participated and financially benefited from gay benefactors.


Title: Re: Ask A “Schmoe” Anything! (G4P / Gay For Pay)
Post by: NYSTATEOFMIND on August 03, 2012, 10:16:58 AM
You would have to define for me what YOU think is "VERY g4p actions" before I answer that question for you.

However, I do know that some recent Mr. O's have participated and financially benefited from gay benefactors.

Semi gay is- coming to a schmoes room..posing maybe let him feel the junk and his muscle..worship

very gay is intercourse..oral..


Title: Re: Ask A “Schmoe” Anything! (G4P / Gay For Pay)
Post by: YellaDawg on August 03, 2012, 10:45:45 AM
Semi gay is- coming to a schmoes room..posing maybe let him feel the junk and his muscle..worship

very gay is intercourse..oral..

Those are your odd definitions, not mine, And certainly not the scientific or sociological definitions. But I'll answer the question:

Yes I know of recent Mr. O's (last 15 years) that have done your version of semi gay.

I do not know recent Mr. O's (last 15 years) that have done your version of very gay, but I am aware and know of Mr. O's pre-15 years ago who have.


Title: Re: Ask A “Schmoe” Anything! (G4P / Gay For Pay)
Post by: 6 Reps on August 05, 2012, 02:32:08 PM
This topic of G4P absolutely, totally fascinates me.

I am not a schmoe. I have never "engaged" a bodybuilder for sex or worship, not that I couldn't afford it (mmm, not $5,000), but I simply couldn't do it for reasons I won't go into here.  On the other end of the spectrum, when I was younger I was offered money for gay sex a number of times but turned them all down (didn't need the money, offerors unattractive, etc.).

What first fascinates me is the "hook-up."  You're not going to find these guys on rentboy.com.  How does one make the connection?  If I went up to some bodybuilder at a contest or an expo and gave him my phone number, I think I'd risk getting punched in the face.  If I didn't get punched, it would at the very least be awfully awkward.   Obviously one way to get hooked-up is by knowing people, or networking through people (like you?) that are connected to bodybuilders available.  But, for someone like me who doesn't know people, that in and of itself would present a big challenge.  I've often wondered if there is like a granddaddy pimp, someone who connects well-heeled schmoes with Tier 2 or Tier 3 (to use BayGBM's ranking) or other top amateurs.  And such a pimp to whom the bodybuilders would go to "sign up."

My second fascination is with the bodybuilders themselves.  I completely do not understand how a straight bodybuilder could engage in gay sex or worship.  As a gay man, there is no way under the sun that I could have sex with a woman, have a woman blow me off, or flex and pose while the woman looks at me and masturbates.  I'd be homeless.  

Maybe it's that male sexuality, straight male/gay male is more fluid (pardon the pun) than we think.  Far more so than gay male/straight women.  This certainly could explain why straight men have gay sex with other men once they get into prison.  Or maybe there is something to BayGBM's belief that the true deep reason men build their muscles is for other men.  I don't agree with that, that is not the reason I build mine, but maybe there is something to it.  

I certainly see the value and simplicity in having one sponsor/patron/benefactor for a bodybuilder.  Quite a number of years ago I stumbled upon a site with a list of gay male sponsors seeking bodybuilders.  I thought it a breathtaking list:  there were quite a number of MD's on it and some obviously extraordinarily wealthy men.

Maybe someday I'll engage a bodybuilder for G4P and only interview him for the agreed time.  Just because I would find him so darn fascinating.  If he's straight, how could he do G4P?

Lastly, I can't help but note that, aside from BayGBM's long running threads, this thread has 7 times as many views as any other on this list.

 


Title: Re: Ask A “Schmoe” Anything! (G4P / Gay For Pay)
Post by: YellaDawg on August 05, 2012, 08:16:17 PM
I am not a schmoe. I have never "engaged" a bodybuilder for sex or worship, not that I couldn't afford it (mmm, not $5,000), but I simply couldn't do it for reasons I won't go into here.  On the other end of the spectrum, when I was younger I was offered money for gay sex a number of times but turned them all down (didn't need the money, offerors unattractive, etc.).

When I was younger and either in school or fresh out of school, I got offered several times as well. Most of my male and female friends (gay and straight) that I hung out with or partied with during that school era all had similar experiences or offers, and handled it differently: free trips. rent or car notes paid for an extended period, gifts, cash. Most often, it's not an outward negotiation or transaction but the expected tit-for-tat that is part of the exchange. Actually, now that I am in my 40s, looking back, I wish I would have done far more of that in my early 20s and was in school. Those were some fun times. One thing it reinforced to me is that I needed to make as much money as possible and as early as possible in my chosen field so that I could be secure enough in my later years to enjoy my life and do what I wanted to do. To me, there was/is nothing sadder than seeing a broke older guy trying to spend his coins and energy on something otherwise unattainable.

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What first fascinates me is the "hook-up."  You're not going to find these guys on rentboy.com.  How does one make the connection?  If I went up to some bodybuilder at a contest or an expo and gave him my phone number, I think I'd risk getting punched in the face.  If I didn't get punched, it would at the very least be awfully awkward.   Obviously one way to get hooked-up is by knowing people, or networking through people (like you?) that are connected to bodybuilders available.  But, for someone like me who doesn't know people, that in and of itself would present a big challenge.  I've often wondered if there is like a granddaddy pimp, someone who connects well-heeled schmoes with Tier 2 or Tier 3 (to use BayGBM's ranking) or other top amateurs.  And such a pimp to whom the bodybuilders would go to "sign up."

I do not lurk around contests trying to pick up bodybuilders. I have never had the need to do that, and frankly, I'd caution any bodybuilder to be wary of any schmoe who approaches them in that way. The only time I have given my card or my number to a bodybuilder at a show or an expo is when they have asked for it first. Usually, when an athlete learns about my profession or my industry, which is fairly prominent and known to be highly lucrative, it leads to another conversation and they may ask to keep in touch with me. Yes, knowing the right people os probably the best way to get connected (like in anything). There have been in the past some fairly well-known "pimps" or "agents" for g4p. My experience has been otherwise however. I know that most well-heeled schmoes and sponsors can just as easily have their own personal assistants hook them up with potential new bodybuilder or physique model meat than to use a "pimp" or "agents" directly. Like I said before, these are better off kepts as direct discreet relationships or arrangements, so for both parties, the fewer people involved, the better. The more people in the chain, the greater likelihood of exposure.

I get approached sometimes by wannabe sponsors and schmoes who have observed (perhaps a little too closely) or figured out that I may be "living their dream", asking me to assist them in their search or quest for comeptitive bodybuilders. My response is always, "what's in it for me?" I certainly do not need their money or a cut from the proceeds. So, unless the wannabe sponsor can connect me to a bodybuilder I would be interested in sponsoring myself, why would I make a connection? The only times I have personally done that is when I have an athlete who is not well-suited for me, yet I'd still like to do that bodybuilder a favor of sorts, and provide him with a potential private sponsor.

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My second fascination is with the bodybuilders themselves.  I completely do not understand how a straight bodybuilder could engage in gay sex or worship.  As a gay man, there is no way under the sun that I could have sex with a woman, have a woman blow me off, or flex and pose while the woman looks at me and masturbates.  I'd be homeless.

Maybe it's that male sexuality, straight male/gay male is more fluid (pardon the pun) than we think.  Far more so than gay male/straight women.  This certainly could explain why straight men have gay sex with other men once they get into prison.  Or maybe there is something to BayGBM's belief that the true deep reason men build their muscles is for other men.  I don't agree with that, that is not the reason I build mine, but maybe there is something to it. 

Sexuality for most people -- men and women -- lies on a spectrum. Some people are 100% hetero, some are 100% gay, but many, perhaps even most, lie somewhere in between. Some people can go through the mechanical act of sex with anyone with no problem. Others get turned on by sex acts with certain people of either sex. Situational or circumstantial sex is very common worldwide. Your mileage, of course, may vary. I have had what is considered what is identified as "gay sex" with plenty of men worldwide who consider themselves straight. If you do not trip on the labels, the naming or the shaming, then you'd be surprised what kinds of situations you can avail yourself to. For example, most of the men I have fooled around with in South America have had wedding rings on.

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I certainly see the value and simplicity in having one sponsor/patron/benefactor for a bodybuilder.  Quite a number of years ago I stumbled upon a site with a list of gay male sponsors seeking bodybuilders.  I thought it a breathtaking list:  there were quite a number of MD's on it and some obviously extraordinarily wealthy men.

I recall that site. My best advice I can give to any bodybuilder who hopes to meet a rich benefactor this way is to "trust, but verify". The cons work both way in g4p, especially since the internet has made it easy for any poor horny schlub living in their mother's basement to create an alter ego.

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Maybe someday I'll engage a bodybuilder for G4P and only interview him for the agreed time.  Just because I would find him so darn fascinating.  If he's straight, how could he do G4P?

Gay men have been marrying and fucking straight women and fathering children with them for centuries and centuries all over the world. Why would you think it is so darn hard for a man who considered himself straight to engage in gay activity? Is it because you have been culturally conditioned to believe that the latter activity is shameful while the former is not?

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Lastly, I can't help but note that, aside from BayGBM's long running threads, this thread has 7 times as many views as any other on this list.

This is why I wanted my Q&A to be in its own thread, as opposed to attaching it to one of the existing Bay threads. I wanted mine to sink or swim on its own merits, or lack thereof, and not take away from the other threads.


Title: Re: Ask A “Schmoe” Anything! (G4P / Gay For Pay)
Post by: usmcdevildoc on August 07, 2012, 09:41:31 PM
How common is this?
Just SPONSORED a bber for the USAs
and now I have 3 inquiries for sponsorship one
of whom will be up for the Olympia next year.
Coincidence or word of mouth? Single private sponsor
only way to go-- no trail...


Title: Re: Ask A “Schmoe” Anything! (G4P / Gay For Pay)
Post by: YellaDawg on August 08, 2012, 07:36:38 AM
How common is this?
Just SPONSORED a bber for the USAs
and now I have 3 inquiries for sponsorship one
of whom will be up for the Olympia next year.
Coincidence or word of mouth? Single private sponsor
only way to go-- no trail...

It's not coincidence. It's word of mouth, and is the common, preferred route for private sponsorship.


Title: Re: Ask A “Schmoe” Anything! (G4P / Gay For Pay)
Post by: dgo on August 08, 2012, 06:44:31 PM
Yella,

Thanks so much for this thread.  Very interesting!  I had a similar experience as you and 6 Reps in that I was approached a few times when I was younger.  I'm gay and was out so it wasn't a big deal, just wasn't something I wanted to do.

But now I'm in my mid 40s and in a comfortable financial position where I could be a "schmoe" and am really fascinated by it.  But how do you even begin?  Start small and local?  Go to shows?  Go on line?  Start with an initial meeting, have a couple encounters, then sponsor?   What's a reasonable rate for, say, a local heavyweight competitor (as in not competing at a national level yet).  My gym isn't really a "meathead" gym so there are very few choices.

Thanks


Title: Re: Ask A “Schmoe” Anything! (G4P / Gay For Pay)
Post by: YellaDawg on August 09, 2012, 06:41:16 PM
Yella,

Thanks so much for this thread.  Very interesting!  I had a similar experience as you and 6 Reps in that I was approached a few times when I was younger.  I'm gay and was out so it wasn't a big deal, just wasn't something I wanted to do.

But now I'm in my mid 40s and in a comfortable financial position where I could be a "schmoe" and am really fascinated by it.  But how do you even begin?  Start small and local?  Go to shows?  Go on line?  Start with an initial meeting, have a couple encounters, then sponsor?   What's a reasonable rate for, say, a local heavyweight competitor (as in not competing at a national level yet).  My gym isn't really a "meathead" gym so there are very few choices.

Thanks

Start locally or online. Try to have an initial "muscle worship" meeting before you commit to a long-term sponsorship. A session's going rate for a local HW competitor can be anywhere from $150 to $350+, depending on your local market.


Title: Re: Ask A “Schmoe” Anything! (G4P / Gay For Pay)
Post by: usmcdevildoc on August 12, 2012, 09:16:02 PM
Need advice-  what is the best way to land a new prospective bodybuilder? Was referred a young up and coming former teen sensation by a female judge who knew that I had sponsored one of the USA contestants. She knew that I had stayed with this bber throughout his entire prep and invested considerable cash (he only had to eat, sleep, and lift weights for the four months prior to the USA), medical advise, peptides and info. The new bber knows the bber I  supported for the USA. I was just gonna tell him what I expect in return for the support was what I got from him-- or do you think it best I just let nature take it's course?
These guys may be married, have gfs, but most seem eager to kick back for service when your stuffing their pockets with ca$h. Do you feel that is a good assumption?
How do you hand distance sponsorship?- which I try to avoid except
if I have had the bodybuilder before.


Title: Re: Ask A “Schmoe” Anything! (G4P / Gay For Pay)
Post by: chadstallion on August 13, 2012, 05:24:41 AM
check out the site..... www.muscleservice.com

then go to their thread called :

Muscle Locker Room

use this message board to post your muscle personals. Let us know what you're looking for and what you need, or fill us in on what you've got to give.

it is a clearing house for bbers looking for sponsors and sponsors looking to give help.


Title: Re: Ask A “Schmoe” Anything! (G4P / Gay For Pay)
Post by: YellaDawg on August 13, 2012, 10:06:16 AM
Need advice-  what is the best way to land a new prospective bodybuilder? Was referred a young up and coming former teen sensation by a female judge who knew that I had sponsored one of the USA contestants. She knew that I had stayed with this bber throughout his entire prep and invested considerable cash (he only had to eat, sleep, and lift weights for the four months prior to the USA), medical advise, peptides and info. The new bber knows the bber I  supported for the USA. I was just gonna tell him what I expect in return for the support was what I got from him-- or do you think it best I just let nature take it's course?
These guys may be married, have gfs, but most seem eager to kick back for service when your stuffing their pockets with ca$h. Do you feel that is a good assumption?
How do you hand distance sponsorship?- which I try to avoid except
if I have had the bodybuilder before.

First of all, I hope your teens are 18+, or else you're asking for a world of trouble. If they are 18 or over, then the same advice I gave earlier applies: ease into it but never be deceptive. Tell him what your expectations are, but the conversation should be two-way, so that he is asking you just as many questions and putting feelers out along with you.

The guys are usually married or have girlfriends.

I handle distance by arranging trips (either to me or to him) on a regular basis. In addition, some updates are sometimes provided by webcam. Distance doesn't really concern me, as I can travel a lot for business.


Title: Re: Ask A “Schmoe” Anything! (G4P / Gay For Pay)
Post by: YellaDawg on August 13, 2012, 10:16:00 AM
check out the site..... www.muscleservice.com

then go to their thread called :

Muscle Locker Room

use this message board to post your muscle personals. Let us know what you're looking for and what you need, or fill us in on what you've got to give.

it is a clearing house for bbers looking for sponsors and sponsors looking to give help.

I would proceed with extreme caution with websites like muscleservice, if you are seeking out a discreet competitive bodybuilder. Many of the posters there have loose lips. Also most of the posters there aren't really into sponsorship but into hiring escorts or porn stars (which are a lot less private with their affairs), and the overwhelming majority of the posters there don't really have the income it takes to truly support a bodybuilder going through competition. Maybe some of the lurkers at that site might be more discreet and have valid information about true competitive bodybuilders to sponsor, but posting information at the forums seems to be risky.


Title: Re: Ask A “Schmoe” Anything! (G4P / Gay For Pay)
Post by: usmcdevildoc on August 19, 2012, 06:29:30 PM
THE WOMEN OF THE G4P OR GAY PORN BODYBUILDERS

YD I believe it was you who commented that most of these bodybuilders have girlfriends or are married.
Question:  Do you think they know about there partner's extracurricular activities?  I mean it can not be all good when you got a visual of "your man" getting blown by a Schmoe or taking it up the butt, so to speak.
   Don't you think a lot of these bodybuilders either have conflicted sexual identities or else they are so despirate to make some extra cash that they will do anything to make ends meet!  Most of these guys have personality disorders to begin with-- narcisistic, delusional, borderline personality types. There is one IFFB pro who was willing to get blown for the right $$$$ no questions asked. I later found out that he was married and had kids!! He really got into it too. A second one, whose girlfriend I met (and she was a IFFB pro herself -supposedly), seemed to have no clue-- and this guy was doing gay porn and G4P. Sounds like a serious comedy!!! ;D
What do you think about this YD??  ???
Would be nice to get a woman's perspective on the topic-- I mean how would she feel knowing that her man was kicking back for service and some for all WeHo??


Title: Re: Ask A “Schmoe” Anything! (G4P / Gay For Pay)
Post by: YellaDawg on August 20, 2012, 01:49:13 PM
I just counted 4 pros who competed in last weekend's 2012 Europa who have done G4P.

With 37 contestants in both weight classes, that's over 10% of the pros in a major contest with a G4P history.

And those are just the ones I know about!


Title: Re: Ask A “Schmoe” Anything! (G4P / Gay For Pay)
Post by: YellaDawg on August 20, 2012, 01:54:36 PM
THE WOMEN OF THE G4P OR GAY PORN BODYBUILDERS

YD I believe it was you who commented that most of these bodybuilders have girlfriends or are married.
Question:  Do you think they know about there partner's extracurricular activities?  I mean it can not be all good when you got a visual of "your man" getting blown by a Schmoe or taking it up the butt, so to speak.
   Don't you think a lot of these bodybuilders either have conflicted sexual identities or else they are so despirate to make some extra cash that they will do anything to make ends meet!  Most of these guys have personality disorders to begin with-- narcisistic, delusional, borderline personality types. There is one IFFB pro who was willing to get blown for the right $$$$ no questions asked. I later found out that he was married and had kids!! He really got into it too. A second one, whose girlfriend I met (and she was a IFFB pro herself -supposedly), seemed to have no clue-- and this guy was doing gay porn and G4P. Sounds like a serious comedy!!! ;D
What do you think about this YD??  ???
Would be nice to get a woman's perspective on the topic-- I mean how would she feel knowing that her man was kicking back for service and some for all WeHo??

This is not just a bodybuilder thing. All over the world, women delude themselves or close their eyes to the obvious for the sake of a relationship. And some women know and do not care. Others even encourage it.

I once messed with a competitor with his girlfriend in the other room. She told him to let her know when we were done. Another guy's wife waited out in the car for him to get done.


Title: Re: Ask A “Schmoe” Anything! (G4P / Gay For Pay)
Post by: YellaDawg on August 21, 2012, 12:12:25 PM
You think the G4P is just on the stage or in the audience? Think again.

The promoter of a major NPC show in the NYC area has been an active G4P escort who has been advertising his services on and off in various gay publications for years.

How can you propose taking G4P out of bodybuilding when you can't even tell where it starts and where it ends?


Title: Re: Ask A “Schmoe” Anything! (G4P / Gay For Pay)
Post by: usmcdevildoc on August 23, 2012, 03:39:24 AM
Sponsorship commitment and sponsoree put out:

Do you feel that most serious competitive bodybuilders are lazy with respect to seeking out sponsorship?
If they find a good sponsor it sems likely they will come back again and again to that same sponsor. Footing a bill in sponsorship for a top rate show can run into some serious bank ($20-30 K). If that is the case, I expect to be draining the bodybuilder on at least a weekly or biweekly basis. The drugs alone for a USA prep can cost that or even more alone!! Had one guy tell me he is do horned up from gear that kicking back for service just "seems natural and an easy way to make money."
You mentioned not posting on a couple of boards attempting to solicit sponsorees. I agree. When you want quality goods, you should be prepared to pay for quality goods, although the prices vary, why do I find myself locked into some serious long term interactions?
Also don't you think it funny when the bodybuilder introduces you
to his wife or gf as his sponsor, and you
look the woman in the face knowing you know her
bf better than her. How can you put a price on having a sexual
interaction with Mr. America?


Title: Re: Ask A “Schmoe” Anything! (G4P / Gay For Pay)
Post by: YellaDawg on August 23, 2012, 05:58:17 AM
I don't think competitive BBers are lazy with respect to seeking out sponsors, as much as true sponsorship is rare and hard to find, so they do not know how to find it. As I said before, there are far more bodybuilders out there than there are legitimate sponsors.

Of course, the sponsor will get repeat business, because where else is a bodybuilder going to find someone to help foot those bills?

Regarding the wife / gf thing, I don't have a lot of experience with that. Your scenarios sound a little fantastical and erotic fiction-like, but maybe that's just me, or it just could be your writing style. Whatever it is, you should tone it down if you expect to be believed by the audience.


Sponsorship commitment and sponsoree put out:

Do you feel that most serious competitive bodybuilders are lazy with respect to seeking out sponsorship?
If they find a good sponsor it sems likely they will come back again and again to that same sponsor. Footing a bill in sponsorship for a top rate show can run into some serious bank ($20-30 K). If that is the case, I expect to be draining the bodybuilder on at least a weekly or biweekly basis. The drugs alone for a USA prep can cost that or even more alone!! Had one guy tell me he is do horned up from gear that kicking back for service just "seems natural and an easy way to make money."
You mentioned not posting on a couple of boards attempting to solicit sponsorees. I agree. When you want quality goods, you should be prepared to pay for quality goods, although the prices vary, why do I find myself locked into some serious long term interactions?
Also don't you think it funny when the bodybuilder introduces you
to his wife or gf as his sponsor, and you
look the woman in the face knowing you know her
bf better than her. How can you put a price on having a sexual
interaction with Mr. America?


Title: Re: Ask A “Schmoe” Anything! (G4P / Gay For Pay)
Post by: DerrickRigg on December 13, 2012, 07:58:16 PM
Damn! Sign me up for some schomoe sponsorships.

I'm in a growth cycle now through next fall 2013 and need my gear and supplements to grow to 290 offseason. If I can make $3-4K a month to helps with my growth needs, I'd do it.


Title: Re: Ask A “Schmoe” Anything! (G4P / Gay For Pay)
Post by: anabolichalo on December 14, 2012, 02:10:19 AM
too bad none of you schmoes seem to know anything about female bodybuilding


for years i have desired to schmoe up lenda murray or even dayana cadeau


chocolate muscle womans


Title: Re: Ask A “Schmoe” Anything! (G4P / Gay For Pay)
Post by: chadstallion on December 14, 2012, 08:54:02 AM
Damn! Sign me up for some schomoe sponsorships.

I'm in a growth cycle now through next fall 2013 and need my gear and supplements to grow to 290 offseason. If I can make $3-4K a month to helps with my growth needs, I'd do it.
you can start by posting some general pics of yourself then letting us know where you live.


Title: Re: Ask A “Schmoe” Anything! (G4P / Gay For Pay)
Post by: HTexan on December 15, 2012, 02:21:50 PM
too bad none of you schmoes seem to know anything about female bodybuilding


for years i have desired to schmoe up lenda murray or even dayana cadeau


chocolate muscle womans
Because female bbers are ugly.


Title: Re: Ask A “Schmoe” Anything! (G4P / Gay For Pay)
Post by: Borracho on December 15, 2012, 07:48:28 PM
From your experience, do the majority of bodybuilders have small penises hence the reason why they're trying to make up for it by building larger muscles?




Title: Re: Ask A “Schmoe” Anything! (G4P / Gay For Pay)
Post by: anabolichalo on December 16, 2012, 02:57:55 AM
From your experience, do the majority of bodybuilders have small penises hence the reason why they're trying to make up for it by building larger muscles?



interesting question (no homo)

because everybody always considers this to be the case when they see a bodybuilder


Title: Re: Ask A “Schmoe” Anything! (G4P / Gay For Pay)
Post by: chadstallion on December 17, 2012, 12:03:50 PM
From your experience, do the majority of bodybuilders have small penises hence the reason why they're trying to make up for it by building larger muscles?




I'm going to hold to that stereotype until I see pics of Ronnie Coleman and PJ Braun with raging hardons.  I cam be persuaded to change my mind.


Title: Re: Ask A “Schmoe” Anything! (G4P / Gay For Pay)
Post by: DerrickRigg on December 18, 2012, 08:15:10 AM
Hey Chad. I'm in Houston.

As for small or undersized bb'ers, that is somewhat true.


Title: Re: Ask A “Schmoe” Anything! (G4P / Gay For Pay)
Post by: HTexan on December 18, 2012, 02:09:05 PM
I'm going to hold to that stereotype until I see pics of Ronnie Coleman and PJ Braun with raging hardons.  I cam be persuaded to change my mind.
of course!! that is why they also drive lifted hummers.  ;D hahaha


Title: Re: Ask A “Schmoe” Anything! (G4P / Gay For Pay)
Post by: gib on July 17, 2014, 06:08:42 AM
Two questions.

Do you do them raw/unprotected? And give or receive?

Also ever do coke with them?


Title: Re: Ask A “Schmoe” Anything! (G4P / Gay For Pay)
Post by: dc_celtic on November 10, 2014, 10:59:04 AM
I am totally supportive of pro bodybuilders who engage in relationships for financial reasons whether or not it involves sex. It's called business, but nice friendships can and do result. The financial backers are not all trolls, no more so than in the full range of people on the planet. Sponsors can be sometimes decent, successful (and attractive) people who admire the athletes and are attracted to them. So what? Men pursue women to whom they're attracted and offer them all kinds of things to get their attention all the time. I had a friend, now passed away, of enormous wealth who paid a series of girlfriends $50,000 to get breast implants. I don't doubt that if he was into men, he would have been sponsoring pro-bodybuilders left and right.

I wish the world was less hypocritical on this issue. I also wish steroids and whatever anyone else wanted to take was entirely legal. We want all our athletes to look like Greek gods, hit endless home runs, score endless goals in a football game or look stunning in a bodybuilding competition. Then we pretend we're horrified when they admit to steroid use and want those guys punished. So hypocritical, a totally false sense of outrage.

My advice to bodybuilders who want to get super big and who do use steroids and other supplements, legal or not: Find a doctor you trust who will check your blood levels regularly to see that you're not harming your internal organs.

Have fun going for the biggest trophy however you pursue that great dream. Feel good about yourself as your do it with whatever kind of sponsors you like. Ignore the naysayers. They're the people at home wishing they had the discipline, determination and stamina to get where you're already going, ever ready to pass judgment on someone who's already in the ring, on the stage, in the contest, at bat or wherever else. In the end those folks are angry at their own failures at achieving some goal and they're taking it out on you.


Title: Re: Ask A “Schmoe” Anything! (G4P / Gay For Pay)
Post by: jaylinhayas on November 13, 2014, 06:48:46 PM
I am totally supportive of pro bodybuilders who engage in relationships for financial reasons whether or not it involves sex. It's called business, but nice friendships can and do result. The financial backers are not all trolls, no more so than in the full range of people on the planet. Sponsors can be sometimes decent, successful (and attractive) people who admire the athletes and are attracted to them. So what? Men pursue women to whom they're attracted and offer them all kinds of things to get their attention all the time. I had a friend, now passed away, of enormous wealth who paid a series of girlfriends $50,000 to get breast implants. I don't doubt that if he was into men, he would have been sponsoring pro-bodybuilders left and right.


Agreed. Women have been leeching off of men for their lifestyles for forever but when a man does it, it gets negative attention.