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Oh brother, where does one start with this ::)
Fat Is Officially Incurable (According to Science)
By:David Wong 07-05-2012 258,837 views
Let's get this straight: The number of people who go from fat to thin, and stay there, statistically rounds down to zero.
Every study says so. No study says otherwise. None.
Oh, you can lose a ton of weight. You'll gain it back. Here's one study running the numbers. Here's a much larger analysis of every long-term weight loss study they could find. They all find the exact same thing: You can lose and keep off some minor amount, 10 or 15 pounds, for the rest of your life -- it's hard, but it can be done. Rarer cases may keep off a little more. But no one goes from actually fat to actually thin and stays thin permanently.
Except the person in this Google banner ad, who lost weight and then became white.
And when I say "no one," I mean those cases are so obscenely rare that they don't even appear on the chart. They can't even find enough such people to include in the studies. It's like trying to study people who have survived falling out of planes. Being fat is effectively incurable, every study shows it, and no one will admit it.
So the guy or girl you see in the "Before" and "After" photos in weight loss commercials, who completely changed body type with diet and exercise? You know, like Jared from Subway, who lost 230 pounds? Either they're about to be fat again in a couple of years, or they're a medical freak occurrence, like the sick guy who was told he had six months to live but miraculously survives 20 years. That guy exists, we all know famous examples. But it's a rare, freak situation, living in defiance of all of the physical processes at work.
Hey, this guy lost 410 pounds on the infamous "Herbalife" diet. Amazing!
How rare? Well, this person did the math, and as far as they could tell, two out of 1,000 Weight Watchers customers actually maintain large weight losses permanently. Two out of a thousand. That means if you are fat, you are 25 times more likely to survive getting shot in the head than to stop being fat.
Meanwhile, here's an article where scientists marvel at the amazing success of Weight Watchers, because a study of their most successful customers showed they permanently lost 5 percent of their weight. Wow! You come in at 300 pounds, you stay at 285! Next stop, thong store!
So please remember this the next time the subject comes up at the office or on some message board and you get bombarded by thin 20-year-olds insisting the obese need to just "cut out the junk food" or "take care of themselves" or "do some exercise." The body physically won't allow that for a formerly fat person.
Except for this guy, who lost 100 pounds and got totally ripped in four weeks.
If we could only see his face, we'd see it's totally the same person!
"Well, just stop eating so much!" Sure, kid. To feel what it's like, try this: Go, say, just 72 hours without eating anything. See how long it is until the starvation mechanism kicks in and the brain starts hammering you with food urges with such machine gun frequency that it is basically impossible to resist. That's what life is like for a formerly fat person all the time. Their starvation switch is permanently on. And they're not going 72 hours, they're trying to go the rest of their lives. Don't take my word for it. Here's a breakdown of the science, in plain English. It's like being an addict where the withdrawal symptoms last for decades.
As that article explains, the person who is at 175 pounds after a huge weight loss now has a completely different physical makeup from the person who is naturally 175 -- exercise benefits them less, calories are more readily stored as fat, the impulse to eat occurs far, far more often. The formerly fat person can exercise ten times the willpower of the never-fat guy, and still wind up fat again. The impulses are simply more frequent, and stronger, and the physical consequences of giving in are more severe. The people who successfully do it are the ones who become psychologically obsessive about it, like that weird guy who built an Eiffel Tower out of toothpicks.
Statistically, the only option with any success rate is a horrible, horrible surgical procedure. I can find no data whatsoever that says otherwise. Keep all of this in mind the next time you see a Jenny Craig or Bowflex commercial.
http://www.cracked.com/quick-fixes/fat-officially-incurable-according-to-science/
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All that can be fixed with an EC stack regiment.
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How come Jarrett on the Subways commercials hasn't gained his weight back??? ;D
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Pretty accurate to me. I have always had weight issues. I can always lose it pretty easily because I know what to do but it has to be kept in check. If not then I blow up quick. I am guessing most people who do lose the weight did it by calorie restriction without exercise. Food is a big time addiction for a lot of people.
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All that can be fixed with an EC stack regiment.
Thats only an extra 250 calories per day burned on average though, not a miracle pill
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Thats only an extra 250 calories per day burned on average though, not a miracle pill
No, it's the appetite regulation/suppression that is favourable. Of course, this can only work if the person puts in an ongoing active effort to be calorically conscious. The EC stack is just there to suppress appetite and make the day go by easier by having to fight less signals to stuff ones face.
Also, nicotine is beneficial as well, the only problem lies in the administration method.
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No, it's the appetite regulation/suppression that is favourable. Of course, this can only work if the person puts in an ongoing active effort to be calorically conscious. The EC stack is just there to suppress appetite and make the day go by easier by having to fight less signals to stuff ones face.
Also, nicotine is beneficial as well, the only problem lies in the administration method.
chew the gum for nicotine
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Food to generations has become looked at as more of a pleasure in today's modern society than just a necessity. Its an addiction, people do not care about the consequence of eating themselves into a corner until they're getting digits removed due to diabetes and they make sure to pass this off to there children. Great article here, and as any addiction goes you must develop self control and personal accountability to help overcome these obstacles.
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Thats only an extra 250 calories per day burned on average though, not a miracle pill
If this is correct that's quite a lot...
Where did you get this number from?
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If this is correct that's quite a lot...
Where did you get this number from?
A few studies that averaged to around 2 pounds extra lost per month on same calorie intake
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A few studies that averaged to around 2 pounds extra lost per month on same calorie intake
I've used it in the past but I didn't feel it made a difference. The appetite suppression effect I always lost the leaner I got but I'm gonna add it to lose the last couple pounds since I've always used it at the beginning of a diet. But I believe the fat burning effects are actually supposed to increase the longer you are on it right?
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:D
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Fuck science! ;D
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That means if you are fat, you are 25 times more likely to survive getting shot in the head than to stop being fat.
Give me a fat camp and gun. I got me some research to do.
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All that can be fixed with an EC stack regiment.
truth. MFing truth!
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Pretty accurate to me. I have always had weight issues. I can always lose it pretty easily because I know what to do but it has to be kept in check. If not then I blow up quick. I am guessing most people who do lose the weight did it by calorie restriction without exercise. Food is a big time addiction for a lot of people.
Once your body creates new fat cells its almost impossible to kill them off. One of the rumored ways is dnp cycle.
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god invented science to mislead the people and divide them to fights wars against eachother
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Once your body creates new fat cells its almost impossible to kill them off. One of the rumored ways is dnp cycle.
thanks god for dnp then :D
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god invented science GetBig to mislead the people and divide them to fights wars against eachother
Fixed
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This is bullshit. Pure bullshit. Of course you can stay thin after a big weight loss. You obviously gain some water and fat after you start eating normally again, but then again its all about maintaining. I dont know if this is article was a joke or not, but for me, getting thin is the easiest part in the world. However, since Im a bodybuilder, I have to relay on certain rules in order to lose fat and maintain musclemass at the same time, which is much MUCH more difficult than just slimming down. But then again, thats what gives the best results.
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How come Jarrett on the Subways commercials hasn't gained his weight back??? ;D
He still has manboobs and a hint of a double chin.
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Yesterday in front of me in the supermarket line: a 50yr old 5'1'' female pig, ugly tattoo, must have been 250lbs at least, sweating en puffing and screaming to her grandchild. In the shopping cart: fries, burgers, crisps, coca cola (not the light version of course). And one of these wellfare electrical scooters outside.
I'd say: no more welfare, pay your own medical bills, and get a taser treatment each time your complaining about your life.
This is what happens to my 52% income tax.... >:(
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Yesterday in front of me in the supermarket line: a 50yr old 5'1'' female pig, ugly tattoo, must have been 250lbs at least, sweating en puffing and screaming to her grandchild. In the shopping cart: fries, burgers, crisps, coca cola (not the light version of course). And one of these wellfare electrical scooters outside.
I'd say: no more welfare, pay your own medical bills, and get a taser treatment each time your complaining about your life.
This is what happens to my 52% income tax.... >:(
I guess no need for you to come to US then. Same shit over here except 52% income tax. That's outrageous.
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Yesterday in front of me in the supermarket line: a 50yr old 5'1'' female pig, ugly tattoo, must have been 250lbs at least, sweating en puffing and screaming to her grandchild. In the shopping cart: fries, burgers, crisps, coca cola (not the light version of course). And one of these wellfare electrical scooters outside.
I'd say: no more welfare, pay your own medical bills, and get a taser treatment each time your complaining about your life.
This is what happens to my 52% income tax.... >:(
Just go away...
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Yesterday in front of me in the supermarket line: a 50yr old 5'1'' female pig, ugly tattoo, must have been 250lbs at least, sweating en puffing and screaming to her grandchild. In the shopping cart: fries, burgers, crisps, coca cola (not the light version of course). And one of these wellfare electrical scooters outside.
I'd say: no more welfare, pay your own medical bills, and get a taser treatment each time your complaining about your life.
This is what happens to my 52% income tax.... >:(
Those scooters have got to go.
As for diet choices: I drive a school route to work. Where 10 years ago I would see kids throw away the sandwiches mom made, now they don't even get any. They just get food money and visit the supermarket. Where I see them buying nothing but processed crap. But really: who expects it to be otherwise?
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Also: for those doubting the outcome of the study: the PDF is available. Read it and be awared.
http://motivatedandfit.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/Diets_dont_work.pdf (http://motivatedandfit.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/Diets_dont_work.pdf)
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yeah, ofcourse, if people go back to old eating habbits-the ones that made them fat-they will become fat again.
except if they dramaticaly increase their own activity levels.
its worrying how many girls no older than 20 have legs which resemble the acropolis pillars these days.
the fat are lazy, except when it comes to eating.
I have always believed that the body regulates itself and that the body may tolerate some weight loss but that it will switch on something in your brain to make you crave sweets and food whether you want them or not in an attempt yo get your body back to the way it usually is...I think the body and brain is comfortable with the body being at a certain weight and is constantly fighting with you to get back to weight you were originally at....explains my yo-yo weight gain...it can't be just individual will power because then there would be more weight loss successes
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I have about 20 years experience with EC. In combo with cardio, lowered calorie and high G carb restriction it works fairly well. Ramping up EC dosage slowly helps keeps the side effects down. You must taper off slowly... if not you'll get massive headaches, lethargy and a killer hunger rebound effect.
You cannot take it forever. There is use and abuse. Things to be careful of are: Dependency/addiction, adrenal burnout, muscular weakness/cramps, muscular injuries/tears, neuropathy, insomnia, anxiety, errection problems, high BP. Lethargy, headaches and depression when coming off. I've had many of these in some degree or another.
One training partner I had in the early 90's was the poster boy for abuse of EC. He worked up to 300mg E and 1000mg C per day taken for extended periods. He also claimed it helped get him through some tough college courses. He now has a plethora of permanent physical and mental health problems.
DNP is quite another thing entirely. I've never used it, but I know some guys that have. From what I can tell, it does work, but the side effects are brutal. DNP is an industrial poision. Users of DNP are most likely shortening their lifespans. I don't know about you guys, but I'd rather live a full life and fluctuate in between 8-15% bodyfat than die young and ripped.
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Yesterday in front of me in the supermarket line: a 50yr old 5'1'' female pig, ugly tattoo, must have been 250lbs at least, sweating en puffing and screaming to her grandchild. In the shopping cart: fries, burgers, crisps, coca cola (not the light version of course). And one of these wellfare electrical scooters outside.
I'd say: no more welfare, pay your own medical bills, and get a taser treatment each time your complaining about your life.
This is what happens to my 52% income tax.... >:(
Wow bro, hat sounds like America. Like Walmart or some shit. I didn't think there were fatties in Europe.
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Wow bro, hat sounds like America. Like Walmart or some shit. I didn't think there were fatties in Europe.
China's starting to get its own fatties now too.
Especially kids.
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I have always believed that the body regulates itself and that the body may tolerate some weight loss but that it will switch on something in your brain to make you crave sweets and food whether you want them or not in an attempt yo get your body back to the way it usually is...I think the body and brain is comfortable with the body being at a certain weight and is constantly fighting with you to get back to weight you were originally at....explains my yo-yo weight gain...it can't be just individual will power because then there would be more weight loss successes
You're right. The human body does not want to lose fat and gain muscle... it takes way too much energy to do that. Craving sugar and high calorie foods (added as fat and stored for later use) is a built in survival mechanism.
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You're right. The human body does not want to lose fat and gain muscle... it takes way too much energy to do that. Craving sugar and high calorie foods (added as fat and stored for later use) is a built in survival mechanism.
cool....thanks...so I guess all of this obsessiveness about our bodies and trying to lose weight is for nothing???
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cool....thanks...so I guess all of this obsessiveness about our bodies and trying to lose weight is for nothing???
It's not for nothing if you want to stay healthy. Intense exercise (especially cardio) can be drudgery, but the other choices... obesity, diabetes, heart attack and stroke are totally unacceptable to me.
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cool....thanks...so I guess all of this obsessiveness about our bodies and trying to lose weight is for nothing???
Yeah, but we're people, we have the drive to not give up and to be better, so don't be defeated by it. Keep trying.
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Willpower..........the fatasses need to develop some.
End of thread!
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Yesterday in front of me in the supermarket line: a 50yr old 5'1'' female pig, ugly tattoo, must have been 250lbs at least, sweating en puffing and screaming to her grandchild. In the shopping cart: fries, burgers, crisps, coca cola (not the light version of course). And one of these wellfare electrical scooters outside.
I'd say: no more welfare, pay your own medical bills, and get a taser treatment each time your complaining about your life.
This is what happens to my 52% income tax.... >:(
Yes, there is a lot of those annoying fatties. But there are also guys like me who dieted down and lost tons of bodyfat and yet I still find it incredibly hard to keep the fat off without constantly monitoring my calories and using PEDs. If there really exist guys who cant stuff their faces for a week and not get fat, well I'm fucking jelly. There is no way I can do that even with clen.
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My wife, daughter and I hit Disney World every year...years ago, you'd hardly see anybody on a scooter. The people you did see were really old or obviously handicapped in some way. Now the place is crawling with fat asses tooling around on scooters...they use them to get to the front of the line because they're "handicapped". When we went this year I was gimping around on a torn meniscus...my wife and daughter thought I was nuts for not using a scooter. I would rather have iced my knee for two hours every night and taken advils like they were tic tacs than throw in with that lot of fat asses.
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Wow bro, hat sounds like America. Like Walmart or some shit. I didn't think there were fatties in Europe.
They are inceasing here too (pun intended). When I was a kid (6-12) there were maybe 2 fat kids in our whole school. Today you see them all around. Nothing more ugly than a fat child... :'(
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I don't know guys. Take a look at all the ex-bodybuilders who know how to lose weight but don't workout anymore and are either walking around skinny fat or are tubs of lard. In some cases, guys that competed in bodybuilding but stopped everything may have been better off not getting into weight training/dieting at all.
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It baffles me people ig GB still dont know about beta receptor agonism through ephedrine and caffeine consumption
Completely appalled
http://ods.od.nih.gov/factsheets/EphedraandEphedrine-HealthProfessional/