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Title: Veils, modest clothing, coverings, etc...
Post by: a_ahmed on August 01, 2012, 02:08:42 PM
I find it interesting how certain people hate on women who cover themselves, do not expose themselves or make themselves available cheap like a train station...

To the point in recent ten years there are laws targeting Muslim women supposedly to 'liberate' them. Quite ironic and hypocritical.

I know having a mixed background and my father's mother's side being orthodox christian that orthodox women cover with veils. I also know having my mother's side that catholics also wear veils but mostly when visiting churches traditionally.

Likewise historically Jewish women were covered. The mother of Jesus (peace be upon her) is always portrayed as covering herself. In Islam Mary is revered (not divinized like for Catholics) as a very important female figure.

Lastly the same applies for men, in most cultures men dressed like muslim arab men of today. With long covering clothing. Of course we can cite examples of shorts-like wear and bare naked jungle tribal wear but the more intellectual societies would cover themselves and have some kind of dignity in modesty.

So what I find interesting aside from christian women that cover in more traditional backgrounds (whether orthodox or catholic) are jewish women that still cover today... mostly found in ethiopia, not the ashkenazi euro convert jews but real middle-eastern and african original semite jews.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cwYwMDb8rXY

It's ironic that there are magazines, makeups, etc.. dubbing themselves as 'cover girls' covering what? While in fact doing the opposite of 'covering' lol... and that these women are somehow liberated and not objectified... yet it is the opposite that is true. Women who actually cover are liberated as they are not bound by sexual judgment but by intellectual judgment. The value of a woman is not then in the superficial of physique but rather of her intellect, character, personality, faith, etc...


Title: Re: Veils, modest clothing, coverings, etc...
Post by: Tapeworm on August 02, 2012, 06:23:19 AM
Perhaps a career in fashion?

thefashioninstitute.com


Title: Re: Veils, modest clothing, coverings, etc...
Post by: Pork_Chop on August 02, 2012, 02:39:01 PM
Why do religious men want to control what the woman wears ?

Women like to feel attractive and look good.

Oppressive religious bullshit - people who worship an invisible friend in the sky.

They can wear what the feck they like. As long as its their choice.



Title: Re: Veils, modest clothing, coverings, etc...
Post by: a_ahmed on August 02, 2012, 03:32:56 PM
Says the guy who's name is pork_chop.

More like you wana be the one oogling at naked butts and satisfy your perversion.

Although I'm a guy, both my mother who's become Muslim and my wife who was born muslim will tell you that it is not 'men controlling' them covering themselves, but rather the opposite that they don't want to be objectified by people like you.


Title: Re: Veils, modest clothing, coverings, etc...
Post by: Shockwave on August 02, 2012, 03:49:01 PM
Im in full agreement with acchhhhmed.
Goddamn sluts are just tempting me to rape them when I can see their eyes.
Stone the harlots.


Title: Re: Veils, modest clothing, coverings, etc...
Post by: a_ahmed on August 03, 2012, 01:26:10 AM
You have to separate the culture of certain arabs away from what Islam teaches.

In Islam women are able to own their property, divorce, not be forced into marriage, run their own business, things which up until 50 years ago were unheard of in north america and certain western countries. Women would not be allowed to divorce, not allowed to operate businesses unless under their husband's, etc... etc... Islam allowed all this over 1400 years ago.

The fact that some ignorant Arabs who don't know much about Islam enforce certain pre-islamic culture vibes does not mean Islam is what you think or try to portray it as.

There are certain aspects you may not be able to understand such as, men and women not mixing, this may seem strange to you, but it is not really strange to us. What business do I have with other women? Unless it is work for instance. Likewise with my wife? Since becoming muslim I have cut off from all female friends not out of some kind of enmity but out of respect and self-respect. These things seem awkward to some. That does not mean I act as an emotionless wall towards the other gender, but the way I view and respect women is different and this is in Islam.

On the other hand, the opposite is people intermingling, partying together, even mixed gatherings as I know from my own family before islam, always some kind of jealousy or comments or flirtation something may arise. We are humans after all. To avoid all these issues islam teaches us preventative actions.

Why employ a cure, when you can prevent a certain disease to begin with? Why fall into trouble and have to fix it? When you can avoid the trouble to begin with?

So in retrospect, the gender mixing or lack of it for that matter may seem strange to some of you. Muslim women wanting to cover and not expose themselves for every joe and schmoe may seem strange to you but it is out of respect and self-respect.

The likelyhood of a guy whistling and doing stupid crap at a woman who is in a micro skirt and heavy makeup is alot more likely than a woman in jilbab and hijab that walks modestly, doesn't have her ass visible nor struting down for attention, but protecting what is hers.


Title: Re: Veils, modest clothing, coverings, etc...
Post by: Roger Bacon on August 03, 2012, 07:44:25 AM
Im in full agreement with acchhhhmed.
Goddamn sluts are just tempting me to rape them when I can see their eyes.
Stone the harlots.

Good post!

(http://persian2english.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/888.jpg)



Title: Re: Veils, modest clothing, coverings, etc...
Post by: Pork_Chop on August 03, 2012, 08:04:06 AM
Says the guy who's name is pork_chop.

More like you wana be the one oogling at naked butts and satisfy your perversion.

Although I'm a guy, both my mother who's become Muslim and my wife who was born muslim will tell you that it is not 'men controlling' them covering themselves, but rather the opposite that they don't want to be objectified by people like you.

Yeah - Ive been a member 10 years , youve been here 10 days and obviously a cock sucker.

"if you could reason with a religious person - there wouldn't be religion" - so I'm not even gonna debate with you.

You make my shit itch, implying stuff I never even said.

Why dont you go out and persecute some gay people with a bacon sandwich in your back pocket.



Title: Re: Veils, modest clothing, coverings, etc...
Post by: Psychopath on August 03, 2012, 08:13:18 AM
Why are you on get big talking about Islam? What's the point?


Title: Re: Veils, modest clothing, coverings, etc...
Post by: a_ahmed on August 03, 2012, 01:51:06 PM
lol ignorant people.

Your statement of why you are on getbig is as moronic as "go back to your country" that some ignorant and hateful fellas will say to some people they disagree with :)

Oh and why talk about Islam? Hmm maybe because I'm muslim and certain non-muslims on here are attacking Islam with their own twisted hatred and misinformation I don't know?


Title: Re: Veils, modest clothing, coverings, etc...
Post by: a_ahmed on August 03, 2012, 01:53:48 PM
Exactly.

He's a troll insinuating people like mine or your mother, who dont dress from head to toe like a feckin' ninja are "cheap" for wearing normal everyday attire.

It's been well documented that islamic fanatics have killed their own daughters for dressing in a "westernised" manner , thus bringing "shame" on their family.

There is a high profile case of a British girl, having a bag put over her head and beaten to death by her father, whilst her own mother held her down.

Disgusting medieval fucks.

That's sad but not Islam. These people are equally ignorant of Islam on the same level as yourself.


Title: Re: Veils, modest clothing, coverings, etc...
Post by: a_ahmed on August 03, 2012, 01:59:02 PM
And you mention your mother and daughter or sister? I didn't mention anyone in particular especially someone's family, you're just having sick demented thoughts fueled by anger.

I was just pointing out the difference between this:

(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_XcFdwH4T64I/TEcvLRD3p5I/AAAAAAAACTA/EKh0ClB_rvM/s1600/SI+Hookers.bmp)

and this:

(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_S0RxRnE5fGU/ScxEZOJbLdI/AAAAAAAAHOI/Hv0kvBJtRbU/s400/453505525l.jpg)

Two very different approaches to the same gender. One of lewdness and one of modesty. You are hating on modesty and slandering Islam for advocating modesty, while modesty is a noble characteristic that every man and woman should have. Humbleness comes a long ways too. Guys like us who lift weights can either be humble, or we can be assholes because of our own size. I can't stand douchebags in the gym. So learn to have a bit of manners yourself even if it's an internet forum.


Title: Re: Veils, modest clothing, coverings, etc...
Post by: Shockwave on August 03, 2012, 04:20:55 PM
And you mention your mother and daughter or sister? I didn't mention anyone in particular especially someone's family, you're just having sick demented thoughts fueled by anger.

I was just pointing out the difference between this:

(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_XcFdwH4T64I/TEcvLRD3p5I/AAAAAAAACTA/EKh0ClB_rvM/s1600/SI+Hookers.bmp)

and this:

(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_S0RxRnE5fGU/ScxEZOJbLdI/AAAAAAAAHOI/Hv0kvBJtRbU/s400/453505525l.jpg)

Two very different approaches to the same gender. One of lewdness and one of modesty. You are hating on modesty and slandering Islam for advocating modesty, while modesty is a noble characteristic that every man and woman should have. Humbleness comes a long ways too. Guys like us who lift weights can either be humble, or we can be assholes because of our own size. I can't stand douchebags in the gym. So learn to have a bit of manners yourself even if it's an internet forum.
I'll take option A please, but mostly because I dont believe in women having the choice to wear what they want without fear of death.


Title: Re: Veils, modest clothing, coverings, etc...
Post by: a_ahmed on August 03, 2012, 05:12:17 PM
You make no sense. However...

Your choice clearly shows you are valuing a woman based on her outwardly exposition of sexuality. In fact you are not valuing women at all by that -- rather you value what gives you a better one night stand.

I wonder if you would make the same choice if it was your sister or daughter? Would you encourage either to dress and act that way? How would you feel if your daughter is drunk in clubs, dressing lewdly and attracting every Tom, Dick and Harry. Suddenly if you're honest with yourself which I don't believe you would be to me in this topic, you definitely wouldn't. BUT OF COURSE you would if it means you fucking around.

Without a doubt, you're just another typical guy who screams horror when muslim women cover themselves  but has no problem in checking out random asses, flirting, one night stands. Then talking about woman's rights? Such hypocrisy.

Kind of like the last French president sarkozy, talking about 'liberating muslim women' by banning hijab, banning and even jailing niqabis and charging them fines while he sleeps around and checks out other women? A well known womenizer.

I've seen the same trend quite a few times, the same womenizers are the ones criticizing muslim women for covering themselves.


Title: Re: Veils, modest clothing, coverings, etc...
Post by: Shockwave on August 03, 2012, 05:42:13 PM
Without a doubt, you're just another typical guy who screams horror when muslim women cover themselves  but has no problem in checking out random asses, flirting, one night stands. Then talking about woman's rights? Such hypocrisy.
Did you just equate Muslim women covering themselves or facing death, with womens rights?

Impressive sir, impressive.

Bottom line - women should be allowed to wear what they want, not have to cover everything but their eyes because they will be stoned. Whether I agree with what they wear or not is irrelevant - its their choice.

And that, my friend, is womens rights.

Oh, epic job attempting to psychoanalyze everyone who disagrees with you.
Im sure it makes you feel much better about choosing the most intolerant and hate filled religion still practiced today.


Title: Re: Veils, modest clothing, coverings, etc...
Post by: a_ahmed on August 03, 2012, 05:53:14 PM
I'm sorry but please bring me this proof from the qur'an that you have been shown that muslim women must be stoned if they show their eyes? Having been muslim for nearly ten years and having studied islam prior to being Muslim I have no run across this so please, I am always willing to learn something new.

You are not even making sense and making yourself look like a fool -- completely ignorant and hate filled of muslims and islam without actually knowing a damn thing about either.

Last time I checked my mother and even my wife chose to wear hijab out of their heart and mind not an american made democracy bringing hand gun pointed at their head.

And I don't need to psychoanalyse your beliefs reek out in every thread attacking islam and muslims, but further more enlightening your living standard and aspirations:

Porn stars and blow, and then a house, in that order.

So much for women's rights or dignity or respect yet again. Just another hypocrite womenizer that hates Muslims and Islam.


Title: Re: Veils, modest clothing, coverings, etc...
Post by: Shockwave on August 03, 2012, 05:59:41 PM
I'm sorry but please bring me this proof from the qur'an that you have been shown that muslim women must be stoned if they show their eyes? Having been muslim for nearly ten years and having studied islam prior to being Muslim I have no run across this so please, I am always willing to learn something new.

You are not even making sense and making yourself look like a fool -- completely ignorant and hate filled of muslims and islam without actually knowing a damn thing about either.

Last time I checked my mother and even my wife chose to wear hijab out of their heart and mind not an american made democracy bringing hand gun pointed at their head.
If they want to wear it - more power to them. Plenty of women do not, and they have no choice, or face the punishment.
Making myself look like a fool to a extremely indoctrinated Muslim, oh noeesss, how will I ever survive?  ::)

More atrocities are committed today in the name of Islam than any other religion, bar none. So please stop with this shit.


Title: Re: Veils, modest clothing, coverings, etc...
Post by: Shockwave on August 03, 2012, 06:05:46 PM
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Porn stars and blow, and then a house, in that order.

So much for women's rights or dignity or respect yet again. Just another hypocrite womenizer that hates Muslims and Islam.
A.Another Muslim with no sense of humor. Shocking.

B.Please explain to me how this has anything to do with a woman being able to choose how she wants to dress, or what she does with her body?
Oh yeah, I forgot, your idea of "womans rights" is they should be able to choose, as long as you approve of those choices.


Title: Re: Veils, modest clothing, coverings, etc...
Post by: a_ahmed on August 03, 2012, 06:15:32 PM
I guess you approve of porn stars and porn alot ey? Funny how you slander Islam and Muslims everywhere. What a great person you must be :)

Yet again please bring me this great proof you have come across that cites women to be killed for their 'eyes being seen'. I mean you are clearly very educated by fox news so please I am all ears.

When I say proof, I mean from the qur'an, not what you 'heard' on tv that some idiot from a village did that you assume is from islam.


Title: Re: Veils, modest clothing, coverings, etc...
Post by: Shockwave on August 03, 2012, 06:21:48 PM
I guess you approve of porn stars and porn alot ey? Funny how you slander Islam and Muslims everywhere. What a great person you must be :)

Yet again please bring me this great proof you have come across that cites women to be killed for their 'eyes being seen'. I mean you are clearly very educated by fox news so please I am all ears.

When I say proof, I mean from the qur'an, not what you 'heard' on tv that some idiot from a village did that you assume is from islam.
Approve of Pornstars? They can do what they want. I take it you think they shouldn't be allowed to do what they want with their bodies?
You really want me to go dig up the articles of women being stoned or murdered for being raped (because they showed to much skin, tempting the men to rape them)? You really going to try and argue that doesn't happen, in the name of Islam?

Again, Islam is responsible for more atrocities than any other religion currently practiced.


Title: Re: Veils, modest clothing, coverings, etc...
Post by: Irongrip400 on August 03, 2012, 08:23:05 PM
You have to separate the culture of certain arabs away from what Islam teaches.

In Islam women are able to own their property, divorce, not be forced into marriage, run their own business, things which up until 50 years ago were unheard of in north america and certain western countries. Women would not be allowed to divorce, not allowed to operate businesses unless under their husband's, etc... etc... Islam allowed all this over 1400 years ago.

The fact that some ignorant Arabs who don't know much about Islam enforce certain pre-islamic culture vibes does not mean Islam is what you think or try to portray it as.

There are certain aspects you may not be able to understand such as, men and women not mixing, this may seem strange to you, but it is not really strange to us. What business do I have with other women? Unless it is work for instance. Likewise with my wife? Since becoming muslim I have cut off from all female friends not out of some kind of enmity but out of respect and self-respect. These things seem awkward to some. That does not mean I act as an emotionless wall towards the other gender, but the way I view and respect women is different and this is in Islam.

On the other hand, the opposite is people intermingling, partying together, even mixed gatherings as I know from my own family before islam, always some kind of jealousy or comments or flirtation something may arise. We are humans after all. To avoid all these issues islam teaches us preventative actions.

Why employ a cure, when you can prevent a certain disease to begin with? Why fall into trouble and have to fix it? When you can avoid the trouble to begin with?

So in retrospect, the gender mixing or lack of it for that matter may seem strange to some of you. Muslim women wanting to cover and not expose themselves for every joe and schmoe may seem strange to you but it is out of respect and self-respect.

The likelyhood of a guy whistling and doing stupid crap at a woman who is in a micro skirt and heavy makeup is alot more likely than a woman in jilbab and hijab that walks modestly, doesn't have her ass visible nor struting down for attention, but protecting what is hers.

I understand what you're saying. Like if you never pick up a drink, you'll never become an alcoholic. If you keep away from strange pussy, you won't fuck it. That being said, you can't take away someones free will. They have to be free to make their own decisions. If they're not smart enough to make the right decision, like not cheat, that's on them. It shouldn't be your worry.


Title: Re: Veils, modest clothing, coverings, etc...
Post by: Danjo on August 03, 2012, 08:35:07 PM
Approve of Pornstars? They can do what they want. I take it you think they shouldn't be allowed to do what they want with their bodies?
You really want me to go dig up the articles of women being stoned or murdered for being raped (because they showed to much skin, tempting the men to rape them)? You really going to try and argue that doesn't happen, in the name of Islam?

Again, Islam is responsible for more atrocities than any other religion currently practiced.
TRUTH!


Title: Re: Veils, modest clothing, coverings, etc...
Post by: a_ahmed on August 03, 2012, 08:55:42 PM
So I guess you have no proof? You mentioned newspapers aka fox tv education?

I asked for proof from the qur'an for what you claim is 'from islam'.

And the #1 atrocity maker of today is none other than United States of America. Shall we say Christian or atheist religion or way of life? At least killing a good hundred people a day directly or by proxy. Even more sadistically via drones targeting 'terrorist' weddings and family get togethers.

I can see where you're coming from being a US marine who goes around Muslim countries killing Muslims. So it goes without say, you are educated by your government, media and hog wash army to think Islam is of the devil when you clearly have no knowledge of Islam and are citing rants about I heard some mozzlem with the name mooohamed killed some family members it must be from teh islamicz. That's your level of knowledge and intellectual debate.

Please cite me a verse that incites murder of a woman for exposing her eyes in the qur'an.

The other irony in you trying to 'debate me' if I can evem call it that as you're only citing hatred filled misinformation about Islam, is that I opened the whole post with the premise of demonstrating that it is not just Muslims who cover themselves, even with niqab, in fact in the arabic bible the word for coverings throughout the bible are found as 'niqab'. You just may have not known that. Long before Islam women would cover and I demonstrated that through mentioning christian and jewish practice of covering. Heck I could have mentioned Hindus of covering too.

You are eroding the discussion via your own lack of knowledge of a religion and only citing hatred of misinformation, thinking that because you heard one person or two person lets say ten people did something outrageous and to you it appears its because they are MOZZLEM that it must be from islam... is just ridiculous.

And again

Please cite me a verse that incites murder of a woman for exposing her eyes in the qur'an.


There is no such thing as 'honor killings' in Islam. These are pre-islamic barbaric practices that are also prelavent amongst christians, amongst hindus (especially in India) and parts of Africa. However none of these idiots are following anything from any of these religions including Islam in order to attain this action.


Title: Re: Veils, modest clothing, coverings, etc...
Post by: a_ahmed on August 03, 2012, 09:13:29 PM
Interesting story from the bible:

http://www.nccbuscc.org/bible/daniel/13/

How a beautiful woman was veiled and a bunch of corrupt and perverted old farts wanted to rape her.


Title: Re: Veils, modest clothing, coverings, etc...
Post by: a_ahmed on August 03, 2012, 09:15:13 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HwDhMKVjLtU


Title: Re: Veils, modest clothing, coverings, etc...
Post by: Shockwave on August 04, 2012, 04:35:52 AM
So I guess you have no proof? You mentioned newspapers aka fox tv education?

I asked for proof from the qur'an for what you claim is 'from islam'.

And the #1 atrocity maker of today is none other than United States of America. Shall we say Christian or atheist religion or way of life? At least killing a good hundred people a day directly or by proxy. Even more sadistically via drones targeting 'terrorist' weddings and family get togethers.

I can see where you're coming from being a US marine who goes around Muslim countries killing Muslims. So it goes without say, you are educated by your government, media and hog wash army to think Islam is of the devil when you clearly have no knowledge of Islam and are citing rants about I heard some mozzlem with the name mooohamed killed some family members it must be from teh islamicz. That's your level of knowledge and intellectual debate.

Please cite me a verse that incites murder of a woman for exposing her eyes in the qur'an.

The other irony in you trying to 'debate me' if I can evem call it that as you're only citing hatred filled misinformation about Islam, is that I opened the whole post with the premise of demonstrating that it is not just Muslims who cover themselves, even with niqab, in fact in the arabic bible the word for coverings throughout the bible are found as 'niqab'. You just may have not known that. Long before Islam women would cover and I demonstrated that through mentioning christian and jewish practice of covering. Heck I could have mentioned Hindus of covering too.

You are eroding the discussion via your own lack of knowledge of a religion and only citing hatred of misinformation, thinking that because you heard one person or two person lets say ten people did something outrageous and to you it appears its because they are MOZZLEM that it must be from islam... is just ridiculous.

And again

Please cite me a verse that incites murder of a woman for exposing her eyes in the qur'an.


There is no such thing as 'honor killings' in Islam. These are pre-islamic barbaric practices that are also prelavent amongst christians, amongst hindus (especially in India) and parts of Africa. However none of these idiots are following anything from any of these religions including Islam in order to attain this action.
I dont know, nor do I care what it says in the Qu'ran. It happens, daily, all in the name of Islam, the Qu'ran, and the Hadith.
You seem to fail to realize that its about what goes on in the name of your religion on the daily basis. Yet you're on here trying got convince us all how its a religion of peace and tolerance while spewing your backwards ass logic.

Again - I dont care if a woman covers herself. I care that women are being FORCED to cover themselves or face violence throughout extremist Muslim countries, again all in the name of their religion.
Or a religion that says its ok to toss aside your wife if she's undesirable.
I care that its a culture that values a woman at half that of a man. And that people like you think it's perfectly ok to tell a woman what they can and cannot do with their bodies.

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S24:31 Allah also said: ‘And tell the believing women to lower their gaze (from looking at forbidden things) and protect their private parts (from illegal sexual acts, etc) and not to show off their adornment except what must (ordinarily) appear thereof, that they should draw their veils over their Juyubihinna

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(S33:59) ‘O Prophet! Tell your wives and your daughters and the women of the believers to draw their cloaks (veils) over their bodies (when outdoors). That is most convenient that they should be known and not molested.’

I.E. - Dont show yourself off outdoors lest you be raped - and in modern Muslim culture - its pretty popular to sentence rape victims to death.

Again, it may not literally say it in the Qu'ran, but its happening at an alarming rate. Instead of coming on here crying about how poor Islam is being demonized, why dont you try and do something about the backwards ass fucks causing the backlash?

Because no one on here cares, not even our resident Muslim Big Ach (who resides in America and will never go back to his home because of how backwards they are).

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Stoning victim 'begged for mercy'


A young woman recently stoned to death in Somalia first pleaded for her life, a witness has told the BBC.
"Don't kill me, don't kill me," she said, according to the man who wanted to remain anonymous. A few minutes later, more than 50 men threw stones.
Human rights group Amnesty International says the victim was a 13-year-old girl who had been raped.
Initial reports had said she was a 23-year-old woman who had confessed to adultery before a Sharia court.
Numerous eye-witnesses say she was forced into a hole, buried up to her neck then pelted with stones until she died in front of more than 1,000 people last week.

Muslim extremists may give you all a bad name, but not ONE TIME have I ever heard any of you "moderate" Muslims condemn the actions of these people committing atrocities in the name of Islam.


Title: Re: Veils, modest clothing, coverings, etc...
Post by: Psychopath on August 04, 2012, 05:22:47 AM
This is what Muslims do, they keep going on about how "true Islam" is not being practised and retarded cultural adaptations has taken over etc...

but they fail to realize the Islam they believe in is just a theoretical concept that when applied it clearly fails, and it fucking fails miserably as displayed by numerous examples world wide.


Also, putting harsh divine punishments in the hands of humans is beyond stupid.

...you rob a cash register, off goes the hand.

...you hate your wife's fucking guts and you fall in love with another women, bam, stoned to death in a a fucking pit.

...you say fuck it, i want to have a shot or two of whisky, bam, lashed to oblivion.


I would appreciate if Allah himself or one of his supposed angels did the punishing, fucking coward.




Title: Re: Veils, modest clothing, coverings, etc...
Post by: a_ahmed on August 04, 2012, 12:21:16 PM
You see, yet again you are making CLAIMS about Islam, for example "in islam rape victims get executed" again WHERE in the qur'an or hadi'th does it say this?

This is indifferent to asking of 'christians' doing unchristian things. Do you hear in media, "CHRISTIAN MAN raped woman"? Do you hear "Atheist man burned victim with acid?"

No, you will just "a man" raped a woman, or burned victim with acid.

But if it is someone with a muslim name it is news after news after news. Why? Because this a politiced demonization war of Muslims and Islam.

You said yourself "I DONT CARE WHAT THE QURAN SAYS"... then... it shows that you are just a ignorant arrogant moron that hates Muslims and Islam period.

You have no proofs from Islam for the accusations you make and absolutely no credibility. You are an uneducated twat.


Title: Re: Veils, modest clothing, coverings, etc...
Post by: Danjo on August 04, 2012, 12:22:49 PM
Damn good posts by Shockwave and Psychopath.....furthermo re screw mohamed and the donkey that rode him, and all the acid throwin,women stoning, backwards cavemen that blindly follow  that brutal, inhumane, irrational,  religion. And the ''moderates'' that pollute the western nations they come to, and look the other way when aforementioned atrocities are committed...well, they are no better.


Title: Re: Veils, modest clothing, coverings, etc...
Post by: a_ahmed on August 04, 2012, 12:30:47 PM
This is what Muslims do, they keep going on about how "true Islam" is not being practised and retarded cultural adaptations has taken over etc...

but they fail to realize the Islam they believe in is just a theoretical concept that when applied it clearly fails, and it fucking fails miserably as displayed by numerous examples world wide.

Nope, islam is not 'theoretical' it is a practical religion unlike christianity or budhism or hinduism which are in lala land.

The very things bellow you mention are very practical.

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Also, putting harsh divine punishments in the hands of humans is beyond stupid.
...you rob a cash register, off goes the hand.

It's not stupid at all. Crime in general is less in muslim countries, while a crime occurs in western countries by the second.

You think people will want to steal if the punishment is chopping off the hands?

And this is for pure greed stealing, if someone is hungry and steals food it is not punishable by Islam. This is not considered theft however then other issues would have to be addressed such as why are other Muslims not providing for this family or man or whoever it was. Islam is very practical and just.

Putting someone in jail is stupid. They'll come out and rape again. They'll come out and steal again and just hate the 'law' and government more.

And a person who is willing to steal from other's who work hard by being a lazy ass evil piece of garbage deserves to have their hand cut off. If I build some car project and spend thousands of dollars and some douchebag sleezy low life decides to steal it and I worked so hard for it. He deserves what's coming for him. He'll think again of doing it the second time.

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...you hate your wife's fucking guts and you fall in love with another women, bam, stoned to death in a a fucking pit.


Wrong if there is marital issues, there is councilling in islam, if it does not work out there is divorce in Islam unlike in christianity (if you are to follow christian law as it's considered 'adultery' if you divorce - total impractical non-sense).

If you cheat yes, the punishment is death, I have no problem with that. I rather be punished than live a life of a sinner, corrupting others, causing harm to others, etc... You people don't look at the corruption of society. It takes small things to make large things happen and that includes corruption in society.

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...you say fuck it, i want to have a shot or two of whisky, bam, lashed to oblivion.

No muslim would do that unless they are led to that state due to poor faith, depression and other non-sense by not dealing with problems islamically. Yes that is the punishment for alcohol.

Alcohol is the number one cause of violent crimes, number one cause of domestic violence, shootings, etc... I have a few friends in the force and all of them say the same thing that most of the crimes and arrests they deal with are due to intoxication with alcohol.

Secondly alcohol is literally a POISON, it damages the liver, damages the brain, etc... Only a dumb person would take it and only a dumb person would need it to get a bit excited. I can get excited without intoxicants.

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I would appreciate if Allah himself or one of his supposed angels did the punishing, fucking coward.

You sound like some of the people of the past asking for Allah's punishment. Well those people got what they were asking, whole nations destroyed. However since the final revelation through Muhammad (pbuh) such absolute punishments will not happen although people and nations do get punished. And certain punishments on societies do come, but people don't realize it because they are too blind in their corruption. Even muslim countries why there are wars of foreigners invading it is because Muslims have weakened in faith and have turned to traditions and culture rather than obeying God.

Secondly, Allah (swt) will punish criminals and those unjust who get away with things in this world in the hear after.

The one thing we have is repentence as God is the most merciful, he will forgive any sins except partnership with him (as its called shirk -- in crude english only the word idolatry comes close but it means ascribing partners to God -- in other words worshipping something of the creation rather than the creator alone).


Title: Re: Veils, modest clothing, coverings, etc...
Post by: a_ahmed on August 04, 2012, 12:33:22 PM
Damn good posts by Shockwave and Psychopath.....furthermo re screw mohamed and the donkey that rode him, and all the acid throwin,women stoning, backwards cavemen that blindly follow  that brutal, inhumane, irrational,  religion. And the ''moderates'' that pollute the western nations they come to, and look the other way when aforementioned atrocities are committed...well, they are no better.

Again talking out of your ass. Where in the qur'an does Islam advocate throwing acid on women's faces?

In islam a person who did that would get the equivalent punishment in other words acid would be thrown back on his face. Those 'men' who do such a things are fucking cowards that deserve far worse just by their intentions.

This is not islam but cultural preislamic garbage. Hindus do it, african christians do it, however it seems to be only talked about when some guy with a muslim name does it.

Islamicaly these people would be punished. SO please stop spreading non-sense and without proof claiming it is 'from islam'.

You also are filled with anger of Muslims and Islam due to misinformation. Stop being arrogant and read the qur'an and you'll see there is no such thing.

“Men are the protectors and maintainers of women because of what Allah has preferred one with over the other and because of what they spend to support them from their wealth.”
[Sűrah an-Nisâ’: 34]


Do you honestly think throwing acid is protecting or maintaining women? Because men are physically stronger we have a duty to struggle to provide for women, to protect women, etc... kind of common-sense.

It is forbidden in islam to hit another fellow muslim in the head, it is likewise forbidden to attack any other non-muslim. Everything the qur'an speaks of is always through progressive means of avoiding conflict and if opportunity for peace arises to instantly stop any confrontation and make a truce and peace on the matter.

You are spoon fed garbage misinformation that only feeds your hatred.

I hate these douchebags that beat women, throw acid, etc... as well because they are not things from Islam. Women are to be protected. The whole concept of hijab as to why women cover themselves is also to be protected from stinky perverted garbage men who would abuse women.

Please actually try to be open minded and not rely on spoon fed misinformation.


Title: Re: Veils, modest clothing, coverings, etc...
Post by: Danjo on August 04, 2012, 12:37:41 PM
Save your breath, I'm proud to be an Infidel.

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Title: Re: Veils, modest clothing, coverings, etc...
Post by: Psychopath on August 04, 2012, 12:38:20 PM
You see, yet again you are making CLAIMS about Islam, for example "in islam rape victims get executed" again WHERE in the qur'an or hadi'th does it say this?

This is indifferent to asking of 'christians' doing unchristian things. Do you hear in media, "CHRISTIAN MAN raped woman"? Do you hear "Atheist man burned victim with acid?"

No, you will just "a man" raped a woman, or burned victim with acid.

But if it is someone with a muslim name it is news after news after news. Why? Because this a politiced demonization war of Muslims and Islam.

You said yourself "I DONT CARE WHAT THE QURAN SAYS"... then... it shows that you are just a ignorant arrogant moron that hates Muslims and Islam period.

You have no proofs from Islam for the accusations you make and absolutely no credibility. You are an uneducated twat.


ahahahhaah, do you think historically Christians didn't engage in similar ass backward barbaric behaviour as most people do in Muslims countries. Modern Christianity is completely watered down and kept on a short leach via modern civil and human rights laws.  







Title: Re: Veils, modest clothing, coverings, etc...
Post by: bighead on August 04, 2012, 12:41:46 PM
Islam is NOT americas enemy as the propagandists want you to believe. Unfortunately they have been pawns, to a grand scheme.


Title: Re: Veils, modest clothing, coverings, etc...
Post by: a_ahmed on August 04, 2012, 12:45:27 PM

ahahahhaah, do you think historically Christians didn't engage in similar ass backward barbaric behaviour as most people do in Muslims countries. Modern Christianity is completely watered down and kept on a short leach via modern civil and human rights laws.  



My point is, if a Muslim does a hideous crime, an action foreign of islam, or punishable by islam even, you will only hear of it over and over again and it'll seem as if Islam is on trial as if it is a part of islam.

My point is, when these things happen it HAS to be mentioned that the person is muslim to demonise muslims and islam.

However if a christian does it, never does the news ad say "CHRSITIAN did this", if an atheist does it never does it say "ATHEIST did this".

Likewise with shootings and massacres, they are never called 'terrorism'. Remember the pro-israel/pro-zionism anti-palestine/anti-islam norway terrorist, he was a 'fundementalist christian' and freemason (he in fact was a member i saw it on their lodge website).

The media kept going on and on and on and on about "mozzlem terroriztz" but then when they found out a christian did it, suddenly it was a 'massacre' and 'henieous crime', a 'mentally unstable youth'

Same with the recent batman shootings.

How about the guy who flew a plane in texas into a building out of anger for what the government has been doing (foreign policy and everything else) some white guy. Was it called an act of terrorism? It was barely talked about in the news almost like a brief flash news on the bottom ticket and BAM thats it!

So open your eyes and see.


Title: Re: Veils, modest clothing, coverings, etc...
Post by: a_ahmed on August 04, 2012, 12:50:12 PM
It's funny Israelis always mock americans, mock christians yet evangelical christians kiss israeli ass all the time and pretty much to be an american politician you 'must visit israel' and be approved by israelis before you can be a politician of any sorts... there was even that whole essay process was it in the seneate or congress.. i forget... where you must write an essay about israel to be approved.

Pretty pathetic. America has become Israel's dog on a leache... any war Israel wants to do, they call upon the US. The iraq war was Israel's doing. There are documents way before of Israeli lobyists and scholars documenting the process of how to get the US to fight against Iraq. Likewise of course with Syria, with Iran, etc... etc... That's another topic of it's own.

But please lets not go off topic.

I began this whole topic on premise of veils, hijabs, niqabs, coverings, etc... NOT just because muslim women do it but because even christian and jewish women do it, STILL TODAY but you never hear about it and only muslim women are targetted, only islam is being attacked for it. Hypocricy.


Title: Re: Veils, modest clothing, coverings, etc...
Post by: Psychopath on August 04, 2012, 01:05:32 PM

My point is, if a Muslim does a hideous crime, an action foreign of islam, or punishable by islam even, you will only hear of it over and over again and it'll seem as if Islam is on trial as if it is a part of islam.

My point is, when these things happen it HAS to be mentioned that the person is muslim to demonise muslims and islam.

However if a christian does it, never does the news ad say "CHRSITIAN did this", if an atheist does it never does it say "ATHEIST did this".

Likewise with shootings and massacres, they are never called 'terrorism'. Remember the pro-israel/pro-zionism anti-palestine/anti-islam norway terrorist, he was a 'fundementalist christian' and freemason (he in fact was a member i saw it on their lodge website).

The media kept going on and on and on and on about "mozzlem terroriztz" but then when they found out a christian did it, suddenly it was a 'massacre' and 'henieous crime', a 'mentally unstable youth'

Same with the recent batman shootings.

How about the guy who flew a plane in texas into a building out of anger for what the government has been doing (foreign policy and everything else) some white guy. Was it called an act of terrorism? It was barely talked about in the news almost like a brief flash news on the bottom ticket and BAM thats it!

So open your eyes and see.


I can make distinctions between politics, cultural adaptations, and scriptural/prophetic teachings.

That still doesn't change my position on Islam being an unrealistic religion with incredibly violent divine punishments ordained by the same God who created humans with the propensity to "sin" with ease as if it's programmed instinct, which it is ironically.

Also, there is no proof of God, and Islam does not offer one besides its claim of the Quran being a miracle. You mean to tell me the world's populous is suppose to submit to Allah based on the Arabic linguistic superiority present in the Quran which they themselves cannot personally verify by reading, and most modern Arabs cannot do so either due to their epic linguistic deterioration.  


I would like to ask you this, can you clearly state the main reasons why A) you chose Islam as your religion? and B) Why you believe in in God, even though there is no evidence to support such an entity?  


Title: Re: Veils, modest clothing, coverings, etc...
Post by: Shockwave on August 04, 2012, 01:42:45 PM
You see, yet again you are making CLAIMS about Islam, for example "in islam rape victims get executed" again WHERE in the qur'an or hadi'th does it say this?

This is indifferent to asking of 'christians' doing unchristian things. Do you hear in media, "CHRISTIAN MAN raped woman"? Do you hear "Atheist man burned victim with acid?"

No, you will just "a man" raped a woman, or burned victim with acid.


Bahaha, you hear "Muslim woman executed for being raped", because no other socio-religious cult in the world would execute a woman for being RAPED, dumbass.

No where did I say it was said in the Qur'an, I said it tells women to cover up to prevent being raped, and many modern Muslim societies seem to enjoy using that little loophole to punish women for adultery rather than the man that raped her. Jesus fucking Christ you're dense.


Title: Re: Veils, modest clothing, coverings, etc...
Post by: bighead on August 04, 2012, 01:51:23 PM

I can make distinctions between politics, cultural adaptations, and scriptural/prophetic teachings.

That still doesn't change my position on Islam being an unrealistic religion with incredibly violent divine punishments ordained by the same God who created humans with the propensity to "sin" with ease as if it's programmed instinct, which it is ironically.

Also, there is no proof of God, and Islam does not offer one besides its claim of the Quran being a miracle. You mean to tell me the world's populous is suppose to submit to Allah based on the Arabic linguistic superiority present in the Quran which they themselves cannot personally verify by reading, and most modern Arabs cannot do so either due to their epic linguistic deterioration.  


I would like to ask you this, can you clearly state the main reasons why A) you chose Islam as your religion? and B) Why you believe in in God, even though there is no evidence to support such an entity?  

there is clear evidence of G-D


Title: Re: Veils, modest clothing, coverings, etc...
Post by: Psychopath on August 04, 2012, 01:57:01 PM
there is clear evidence of G-D


Please enlighten me.


Title: Re: Veils, modest clothing, coverings, etc...
Post by: bighead on August 04, 2012, 02:10:17 PM

Please enlighten me.
  so you think g-d should come and prove himself to the likes of YOU?


Title: Re: Veils, modest clothing, coverings, etc...
Post by: Psychopath on August 04, 2012, 02:12:44 PM
  so you think g-d should come and prove himself to the likes of YOU?



Kill yourself.


Title: Re: Veils, modest clothing, coverings, etc...
Post by: bighead on August 04, 2012, 02:17:58 PM
G-D would disaprove.


Title: Re: Veils, modest clothing, coverings, etc...
Post by: Psychopath on August 04, 2012, 02:26:22 PM
G-D would disaprove.


Clearly i put you in a corner that you cannot get out of and now you must resort to mental gymnastics and Abusive ad hominem attacks to justify your belief in Jesus?

...Even if you believe in God ( i don't know why you choose to use this "G-D" in reference to God?) how do you make the leap to following one particular religion?


Title: Re: Veils, modest clothing, coverings, etc...
Post by: Shockwave on August 04, 2012, 02:29:47 PM

Clearly i put you in a corner that you cannot get out of and now you must resort to mental gymnastics and Abusive ad hominem attacks to justify your belief in Jesus?

...Even if you believe in God ( i don't know why you choose to use this "G-D" in reference to God?) how do you make the leap to following one particular religion?
On topic, back to how much modern Muslim culture sucks.


Title: Re: Veils, modest clothing, coverings, etc...
Post by: bighead on August 04, 2012, 02:34:24 PM

Clearly i put you in a corner that you cannot get out of and now you must resort to mental gymnastics and Abusive ad hominem attacks to justify your belief in Jesus?

...Even if you believe in God ( i don't know why you choose to use this "G-D" in reference to God?) how do you make the leap to following one particular religion?
  http://youtu.be/NTVT-MlRq6o


Title: Re: Veils, modest clothing, coverings, etc...
Post by: a_ahmed on August 04, 2012, 02:42:19 PM
On topic, back to how much modern Muslim culture sucks.

Heh, I guess it's what it comes down to in the end. Just a bunch of ignoramuses filled with hatred.

As proven in this thread, you have no proof from ISLAM for any of your claims just your own hateful hearsay.

Pretty pathetic intellectual dishonesty.

What culture really sucks and corrupts the earth? Western culture. Where nudity, lewdness and violence is widespread. Talk about movies? Talk about music? Talk about clothing? Talk about even FOOD? Bunch of overgrown fast food fat asses?

You don't know what respect is, you don't know what dignity is, you don't know what honor is. You think serving in the US army is 'honor'? For doing what? Killing millions?

I will leave this thread as it just showcases that you are not only blind and dumb but arrogant.

I thank God almighty for opening my heart to Islam and providing me means to educate myself and not be ignorant like a number of you here.


Title: Re: Veils, modest clothing, coverings, etc...
Post by: Shockwave on August 04, 2012, 02:45:25 PM
Heh, I guess it's what it comes down to in the end. Just a bunch of ignoramuses filled with hatred.

As proven in this thread, you have no proof from ISLAM for any of your claims just your own hateful hearsay.

Pretty pathetic intellectual dishonesty.

What culture really sucks and corrupts the earth? Western culture. Where nudity, lewdness and violence is widespread. Talk about movies? Talk about music? Talk about clothing? Talk about even FOOD? Bunch of overgrown fast food fat asses?

You don't know what respect is, you don't know what dignity is, you don't know what honor is. You think serving in the US army is 'honor'? For doing what? Killing millions?

I will leave this thread as it just showcases that you are not only blind and dumb but arrogant.

I thank God almighty for opening my heart to Islam and providing me means to educate myself and not be ignorant like a number of you here.
Bahaha, fuck back off to your mud hut.
Do the world a favor and suicide bomb yourself straight to hell.


Title: Re: Veils, modest clothing, coverings, etc...
Post by: Psychopath on August 04, 2012, 02:57:51 PM
  your ASSuming that people on here are capable of coherent communication.


LOL'D, like you are.


Title: Re: Veils, modest clothing, coverings, etc...
Post by: bighead on August 04, 2012, 03:04:55 PM

LOL'D, like you are.
 is this where im supposed to challenge you to a fight, enlightened one?


Title: Re: Veils, modest clothing, coverings, etc...
Post by: Psychopath on August 04, 2012, 03:16:21 PM
 is this where im supposed to challenge you to a fight, enlightened one?


You said there's plenty of proof for God. You can start by listing your evidence, and being more transparent about your beliefs.



Title: Re: Veils, modest clothing, coverings, etc...
Post by: bighead on August 04, 2012, 03:19:19 PM

You said there's plenty of proof for God. You can start by listing your evidence, and being more transparent about your beliefs.


  Its in your dreams.


Title: Re: Veils, modest clothing, coverings, etc...
Post by: Psychopath on August 04, 2012, 03:20:30 PM
  Its in your dreams.


You're a shameless troll, bighead.


Title: Re: Veils, modest clothing, coverings, etc...
Post by: bighead on August 04, 2012, 03:24:47 PM

You're a shameless troll, bighead.
  see you tonight.


Title: Re: Veils, modest clothing, coverings, etc...
Post by: Pork_Chop on August 15, 2012, 12:03:35 AM
Hasn't this turd of a topic been flushed yet ?

Islam - a god that punishes it's followers with starvation (Ramadam) and dictates what they eat, wear and whatever else.

Christ - a god that sees good causes, giving presents at easter and xmas. A celebration.

Their both bollocks, but I'll take the latter thanks.


Title: Re: Veils, modest clothing, coverings, etc...
Post by: a_ahmed on August 15, 2012, 12:53:14 PM
Hasn't this turd of a topic been flushed yet ?

Islam - a god that punishes it's followers with starvation (Ramadam) and dictates what they eat, wear and whatever else.

Christ - a god that sees good causes, giving presents at easter and xmas. A celebration.

Their both bollocks, but I'll take the latter thanks.

lmao it's not punishment. It is our dedication to the worship of God. Sacrifice.

Adam fasted but broke his fast ;) The tree..

Abraham fasted.. moses fasted (remember on the mountain?). Jesus fasted. David and Solomon fasted... All the prophets fasted at one point or another. It is a tradition that we uphold.

Secondly lol... christmas and easter are PAGAN feasts nothing to do with Jesus (peace be upon him). Christianity has nothing to do with what Jesus thought, did or said. It has to do with what the church did said etc...


Title: Re: Veils, modest clothing, coverings, etc...
Post by: bighead on August 15, 2012, 03:46:04 PM
lmao it's not punishment. It is our dedication to the worship of God. Sacrifice.

Adam fasted but broke his fast ;) The tree..

Abraham fasted.. moses fasted (remember on the mountain?). Jesus fasted. David and Solomon fasted... All the prophets fasted at one point or another. It is a tradition that we uphold.

Secondly lol... christmas and easter are PAGAN feasts nothing to do with Jesus (peace be upon him). Christianity has nothing to do with what Jesus thought, did or said. It has to do with what the church did said etc...
  yes, its really hard explaining this to christians though, they do not understand they have been brainwashed into being zombie consumers and cant see that easter and especially christmas is a scam.


Title: Re: Veils, modest clothing, coverings, etc...
Post by: Rhino on August 16, 2012, 04:17:52 AM
  yes, its really hard explaining this to christians though, they do not understand they have been brainwashed into being zombie consumers and cant see that easter and especially christmas is a scam.
They are real... I left food and it was gone :)


Title: Re: Veils, modest clothing, coverings, etc...
Post by: bighead on August 16, 2012, 07:15:01 PM
WAKE UP!!!