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..about the merits of only training arms once a week with minimal sets. These dudes have humongous arms, and its because they pound them every day. Arms have always been my most lagging body part. I wonder if doing 2 or 3 days a week would help.
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..about the merits of only training arms once a week with minimal sets. These dudes have humongous arms, and its because they pound them every day. Arms have always been my most lagging body part. I wonder if doing 2 or 3 days a week would help.
Arms are my strong suit. And I attribute this to the fact that when I was just starting out in this whole lifting thing I used to train them 2-3 days a week.
Your theory isn't all that far off in my opinion!
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How long will it take to tell, in your opinion? 4 weeks?
Right now I train 4 days a week.
Monday: Bis, Tris
Wednesday: Chest, Shoulders
Friday: Back, Traps, Rear Delts
Saturday: Legs
I'm thinking I will add a couple of sets of bis to Friday, and Tris to Wednesday. Do this 4 weeks and see what happens.
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..about the merits of only training arms once a week with minimal sets. These dudes have humongous arms, and its because they pound them every day. Arms have always been my most lagging body part. I wonder if doing 2 or 3 days a week would help.
You might be on to something. Try it for 12 weeks and see what happens. Yes, I'm serious.
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Their arms look bigger because they don't train the rest of their body. I think it looks odd the way they have developed delts and arms combined with chicken legs.
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How long will it take to tell, in your opinion? 4 weeks?
Right now I train 4 days a week.
Monday: Bis, Tris
Wednesday: Chest, Shoulders
Friday: Back, Traps, Rear Delts
Saturday: Legs
I'm thinking I will add a couple of sets of bis to Friday, and Tris to Wednesday. Do this 4 weeks and see what happens.
Nothing in this sport take 4 weeks... try a few months! Be consistent and be patient!
For the record, I currently train arms only once a week.... but 10 years ago when I first started lifting, I was training them 2-3 times a week, actually I was probably training all body parts 2 times a week! (for like an entire year)
Good luck bud!
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you'll never come to a conclusion, unless you accept the truth: your arms aren't a strong part.
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Their arms look bigger because they don't train the rest of their body. I think it looks odd the way they have developed delts and arms combined with chicken legs.
they're also midgets.
(http://looklikeanathlete.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/gymnast-body.jpg)
(http://basictrainingacademy.files.wordpress.com/2012/03/yuri-van-gelder-sidelines.jpg)
(http://www.johncammish.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/male-gymnast-rings.jpg)
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..about the merits of only training arms once a week with minimal sets. These dudes have humongous arms, and its because they pound them every day. Arms have always been my most lagging body part. I wonder if doing 2 or 3 days a week would help.
You might be on to something but you'll never be able to fully duplicate the amount of stress those guys put on their arms, baseball players put on their forearms or speed skaters put on their legs just by the sheer volume of working out the muscles for hours a day, years on end.
The 3 or 4 guys I knew growing up who used the old school wheelchairs cause they were crippled (not this motorized "Rascal" bullshit) all had freaky strength in their arms and would pawn most bodybuilders in simple, functional upper body strength tests. Most of that simply came from climbing their ass out of bed in the morning, getting out of their chair to take a shit, and just basic wheeling around.
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Like smolov for arms. Interesante
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i also was afraid of "overtraining" for years but i really noticed my arms improved when i did them 3 times a week eventually.
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None of these guys spend minutes OR hours doing curls.
They are the size/shape they are without doing any isolation exercises. Quite the opposite in fact.
So, in my humble opinion, it doesn't matter if you do more OR less curls - it wont make you look like that.
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they're also midgets.
(http://looklikeanathlete.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/gymnast-body.jpg)
(http://basictrainingacademy.files.wordpress.com/2012/03/yuri-van-gelder-sidelines.jpg)
(http://www.johncammish.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/male-gymnast-rings.jpg)
So are the majority of bbers :D
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....and not only do they have super muscular arms, they also posess REAL and FUNCTIONAL strength, which bodybuilders don't have.
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I think training arms or any body part 2 x a week is fine.
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....and not only do they have super muscular arms, they also posess REAL and FUNCTIONAL strength, which bodybuilders don't have.
Exactly. They're body developers. Amazing athletes.
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....and not only do they have super muscular arms, they also posess REAL and FUNCTIONAL strength, which bodybuilders don't have.
Functional for Gymnastics, last time I checked a Crucifix performed on same rings hanging from a roof wasn't a requirement in life, nor is swinging round and round on some monkey bars - the fact is the human body develops in relation to whatever activity it does regularly. Modern Life doesn't require much strength or fitness for that matter.
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them how's come distance runners have twig legs?
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Haven't really been training arms directly the past few months.
Been focusing on the compound lifts, and think my arms have improved, especially triceps.
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Haven't really been training arms directly the past few months.
Been focusing on the compound lifts, and think my arms have improved, especially triceps.
what kind of strength increases have you had?
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Functional for Gymnastics, last time I checked a Crucifix performed on same rings hanging from a roof wasn't a requirement in life, nor is swinging round and round on some monkey bars - the fact is the human body develops in relation to whatever activity it does regularly. Modern Life doesn't require much strength or fitness for that matter.
As opposed to bbers having no use of their muscles, get winded walking up a flight of stairs, huffing and puffing after a set of barbell curls and only good use of muscles is picking up a syringe and vail and injecting yourself ::) but yeah I think gymnasts, like basketball players, soccer, football have more functional real "athlete" strength
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them how's come distance runners have twig legs?
Muscle wasting, my guess. It's extreme just like bbing is extreme musculature.
And I have read that male marathon runners have the lowest T-levels of all athletes. As far as the women, I don't know, but I figure that their estrogen levels are low as well.
Plus, they have that "skinny-fat" look as well. Flat muscles, like the Spanish greyhounds.
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Muscle wasting, my guess. It's extreme just like bbing is extreme musculature.
And I have read that male marathon runners have the lowest T-levels of all athletes. As far as the women, I don't know, but I figure that their estrogen levels are low as well.
Plus, they have that "skinny-fat" look as well. Flat muscles, like the Spanish greyhounds.
that's true, test levels drop after 35 miles or so of weekly running, and marathoners are known to put in well over 100 miles weekly :o
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..about the merits of only training arms once a week with minimal sets. These dudes have humongous arms, and its because they pound them every day. Arms have always been my most lagging body part. I wonder if doing 2 or 3 days a week would help.
Pretty sure you got a boner while watching these athletes.
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Those gymnast dudes are pretty impressive, I would like to build my physique to that level except I like food and I am over 5 ft tall.
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Pretty sure you got a boner while watching these athletes.
are you saying perhaps 5manfantasy has an unnatural urge to get ringed himself, hulkotron?
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Functional for Gymnastics, last time I checked a Crucifix performed on same rings hanging from a roof wasn't a requirement in life, nor is swinging round and round on some monkey bars - the fact is the human body develops in relation to whatever activity it does regularly. Modern Life doesn't require much strength or fitness for that matter.
Spot on
This "functional strength" rhetoric gets thrown around but if we really examine what we do in real life, very little of this "functional exercise" is practical. Honestly, what do bosu-ball shoulder presses prepare you for....Shoulder presses during an earthquake?
My size & strength as a bodybuilder who utilizes bases my training around the Big 3 lifts has helped me in many real life situations, and has hindered me in NONE.
I think it's just more personal training marketing gimmicks at work.
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Muscle wasting, my guess. It's extreme just like bbing is extreme musculature.
And I have read that male marathon runners have the lowest T-levels of all athletes. As far as the women, I don't know, but I figure that their estrogen levels are low as well.
Plus, they have that "skinny-fat" look as well. Flat muscles, like the Spanish greyhounds.
That plays a part, but more important is the use of anaerobic fast twitch fibers vs. aerobic slow twitch. It's the training method producing the results, plus the genetic inclination for someone to gravitate towards an activity that comes naturally, such as the Africans and their exceptional running, looting, and spear throwing.
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are you saying perhaps 5manfantasy has an unnatural urge to get ringed himself, hulkotron?
Haha, what I'm saying is that the odds are better than average that homoerotic5antasy was disappointed to find out the men don't compete in the balance beam exercise because he has a certain beam he'd like to balance them on.
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Functional for Gymnastics, last time I checked a Crucifix performed on same rings hanging from a roof wasn't a requirement in life, nor is swinging round and round on some monkey bars - the fact is the human body develops in relation to whatever activity it does regularly. Modern Life doesn't require much strength or fitness for that matter.
Exactly.
I'm getting sick of these little queers talking about "functional strength" and how it supposedly pertains to everyday life.
"Overtraining" is another one. Some days you have more energy than others - that's the human body for you, it peaks and it troughs.
If someone's arms aren't developing the way they want then it's either due to genetic potential or the fact that they aren't training properly. Or both.
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These guys have great arms cause you are looking at the top guys in the world at their sport. You have to be a genetic freak to reach these levels. Sure the gymnastics build their arms, but if these these same guys trained for bbing and never took gymnastics they would still have great arms, cause they have the genes for it. Most gymnasts never reach their level, and never get arms like that, cause most simply dont have the genetics for it.
Its all genetic
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Yes they showed some third-tier gymnast from Ireland the other day and his arms looked like King Kamali.
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These guys have great arms cause you are looking at the top guys in the world at their sport. You have to be a genetic freak to reach these levels. Sure the gymnastics build their arms, but if these these same guys trained for bbing and never took gymnastics they would still have great arms, cause they have the genes for it. Most gymnasts never reach their level, and never get arms like that, cause most simply dont have the genetics for it.
Its all genetic
idk about the genetics for it.... i mean they do have good genetics, but how many people actully persue gymnastics in life. These guys just stuck with it and got professional trainers because they wanted to be the best.
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I train arms once a week for a month then go to every 2 weeks. No need to do more than 6-9 sets for biceps and triceps
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all pull ups and jumping jacks
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Spot on
This "functional strength" rhetoric gets thrown around but if we really examine what we do in real life, very little of this "functional exercise" is practical. Honestly, what do bosu-ball shoulder presses prepare you for....Shoulder presses during an earthquake?
My size & strength as a bodybuilder who utilizes bases my training around the Big 3 lifts has helped me in many real life situations, and has hindered me in NONE.
I think it's just more personal training marketing gimmicks at work.
LOL - epic inferiority complex at work. Bodybuilders are like handicapped people. Can't even but on a t-shirt or walk two flight of stairs. Big arms with no power, strength and strength...all non-functional or disfunctional.
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LOL - epic inferiority complex at work. Bodybuilders are like handicapped people. Can't even but on a t-shirt or walk two flight of stairs. Big arms with no power, strength and strength...all non-functional or disfunctional.
Charles Glass and a prime Flex Wheeler are the exceptions.
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Flex is a natural athlete now.
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Flex is a natural athlete now.
Naturally low test levels, you mean.
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Parker are you suggesting that most bbers think natural means "didn't take any drugs yet today"?
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Parker are you suggesting that most bbers think natural means "didn't take any drugs yet today"?
Yep!
Or, natural means that they have a script from the doctor.
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Their arms look bigger because they don't train the rest of their body. I think it looks odd the way they have developed delts and arms combined with chicken legs.
chest and back are well developed too. i like to see ronnie c attempt the most basic stuff these guys do....
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I always found the reverse-grip pull up the single best biceps exercise..
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Flex is a natural athlete now.
Do anti rejection meds count as natural?
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idk about the genetics for it.... i mean they do have good genetics, but how many people actully persue gymnastics in life. These guys just stuck with it and got professional trainers because they wanted to be the best.
Yeah but theres hundreds or thousands of people who get trainers and want to be the best. Yet here at the top theres only these 5-6 guys. What sets them apart from the thousands of others who also busted their asses trying to make it was that these few simply had all the right genetic factors to give them the edge.
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LOL - epic inferiority complex at work. Bodybuilders are like handicapped people. Can't even but on a t-shirt or walk two flight of stairs. Big arms with no power, strength and strength...all non-functional or disfunctional.
But they are prepared to do battle with the iron at a moments notice. They are heroes.
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I always found the reverse-grip pull up the single best biceps exercise..
Honestly, me too doc. Full ROM + a brutal contraction.
PS: wtf you changed your name
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Honestly, me too doc. Full ROM + a brutal contraction.
PS: wtf you changed your name
I was promoted by Ron for all my hard work..
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them how's come distance runners have twig legs?
X2 Cause they do no progressive overload just running compare them to sprinters, they do intense short running ie they dont overtrain.
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chest and back are well developed too. i like to see ronnie c attempt the most basic stuff these guys do....
That's like asking them to deadlift and or front squat the poundages that Ronnie did.
Overall, bodyweight exercises, will get you cut, and good decent shape, but I believe that a hybrid of both bodyweight and weight lifting is better.
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..about the merits of only training arms once a week with minimal sets. These dudes have humongous arms, and its because they pound them every day. Arms have always been my most lagging body part. I wonder if doing 2 or 3 days a week would help.
lol@huge
120-139 lbs at 5`2-5`5
Are you a moron or is that question redundant?
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what kind of strength increases have you had?
I've upped the reps and sets this time round to put a bit of a variation on the 4-6 range I used to use. Now its more like 8-10 now and also added more sets on the squats.
Then after this I will go back to 4-6 but judging by the sets I've been able to add, I should be stronger.
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if your arms are being worked properly no way should you be able to work them 3 times a week......
arms should be hit ONCE week
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if your arms are being worked properly no way should you be able to work them 3 times a week......
arms should be hit ONCE week
Your arms are sore for 7 days??? Don't think so
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X2 Cause they do no progressive overload just running compare them to sprinters, they do intense short running ie they dont overtrain.
Yes LDR is no good for building muscle unless you have polio levels of weakness to begin with.
Most elite LDRs don't lift much if at all.
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newsflash..the more you work on something, the quicker it develops and the stronger it gets...woaaaa, rocket science!
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Your arms are sore for 7 days??? Don't think so
Was that a question or a statement? Are you telling me what my arm feels like after a workout or asking me?
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Spot on
This "functional strength" rhetoric gets thrown around but if we really examine what we do in real life, very little of this "functional exercise" is practical. Honestly, what do bosu-ball shoulder presses prepare you for....Shoulder presses during an earthquake?
My size & strength as a bodybuilder who utilizes bases my training around the Big 3 lifts has helped me in many real life situations, and has hindered me in NONE.
I think it's just more personal training marketing gimmicks at work.
Dude you're way to defensive! Don't let them see your cards ;)
Functional strength, a gymnasts body adapts to the regime, strenght/muscle are not a goal in itself.
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Was that a question or a statement? Are you telling me what my arm feels like after a workout or asking me?
Are they? 7 days?
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Dude you're way to defensive! Don't let them see your cards ;)
Functional strength, a gymnasts body adapts to the regime, strenght/muscle are not a goal in itself.
Haha I don't understand your post broseph
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three olympic level gymnasts, three arguably identical training regiments, three different sets of genes ;D
(http://cdn.bleacherreport.net/images_root/slides/photos/002/463/759/149544371_display_image.jpg?1343779687)
(http://towleroad.typepad.com/.a/6a00d8341c730253ef01761632af79970c-800wi)
(http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2008-08/12/xinsrc_54208051212350622764139.jpg)
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Are they? 7 days?
That's want you should have asked BEFORE trying to tell me about my arms
Anyway to address the thread subject ... And reinforce my argument if arms are trained properly they do not need to be trained 3 times a week... The get hit with chest back and shoulders.... Biting them 3 times is overtraining unless they've person training them is one of those Tatoo fools who just come to the gym to train arms .... No no delt back or chest. But in a tight Tshirt their pea shooter APPEAR decent
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That's want you should have asked BEFORE trying to tell me about my arms
Anyway to address the thread subject ... And reinforce my argument if arms are trained properly they do not need to be trained 3 times a week... The get hit with chest back and shoulders.... Biting them 3 times is overtraining unless they've person training them is one of those Tatoo fools who just come to the gym to train arms .... No no delt back or chest. But in a tight Tshirt their pea shooter APPEAR decent
Lol sorry bro.
It's unfair to claim someone else is overtraining though, same as if it's unfair for me to claim there's no way that you're guns can be sore for 7 days. Right?
The last year I've switched to a non-linear periodization split, hitting everything twice a week. Been the best gains of my life, and im Natty. I've even played with the idea of 3x a week, just to see. Definitely at this point, more is better IMO as long as your nutrition and recovery is adequate. Feel me?
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newsflash..the more you work on something, the quicker it develops and the stronger it gets...woaaaa, rocket science!
Then by your logic if I go balls out and train legs three times a day for a period of say six weeks, my legs will be bigger?
So with your logic, whats your excuse then for still looking like a twink?
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Then by your logic if I go balls out and train legs three times a day for a period of say six weeks, my legs will be bigger?
So with your logic, whats your excuse then for still looking like a twink?
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this was exactly my point in bring up long-distance runners
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Lol sorry bro.
It's unfair to claim someone else is overtraining though, same as if it's unfair for me to claim there's no way that you're guns can be sore for 7 days. Right?
The last year I've switched to a non-linear periodization split, hitting everything twice a week. Been the best gains of my life, and im Natty. I've even played with the idea of 3x a week, just to see. Definitely at this point, more is better IMO as long as your nutrition and recovery is adequate. Feel me?
Im natty No nutrition.....just training and my arms are good....
I know a thing or two about training.... mainly from trial and error....
would you train back or legs 3 times a week?
My training is very intense... no way can anyone do 3 of my rm workouts a week.... or legs or chest or back etc
if his arms are lagging and he hitting them 3 times a week .. plus back chest and delts... his arms will not get time to recover IF he is training them intensely... y arms responds well to training but
best gains or me is when i started to hit them once a week....
and yes ive had workouts where my ars have had DOMS or a week
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Yes they showed some third-tier gymnast from Ireland the other day and his arms looked like King Kamali.
lolz
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if you ever reach the point of "overtraining" you just have a longer and better nights rest than normal
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three olympic level gymnasts, three arguably identical training regiments, three different sets of genes ;D
(http://cdn.bleacherreport.net/images_root/slides/photos/002/463/759/149544371_display_image.jpg?1343779687)
(http://towleroad.typepad.com/.a/6a00d8341c730253ef01761632af79970c-800wi)
(http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2008-08/12/xinsrc_54208051212350622764139.jpg)
You can tell the negro gets up a midnight and eats massive amounts of simple sugars compared to the other two. Either that or the negro is starting to have problems with his insulin because of the HGH he's been on for years straight. Dude has a double chin.
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Arms are my strong suit. And I attribute this to the fact that when I was just starting out in this whole lifting thing I used to train them 2-3 days a week.
Your theory isn't all that far off in my opinion!
Back in the early 90's I read an article in a muscle magazine where a bodybuilder named J.J Marsh (who had huge legs) said his quads grew the most early in his career when he was squatting three times a week. My legs at the time were a little above average at best, but I figured I would try the 3x/week squatting to see if I could benefit from it. Sure enough, they grew and grew. I can attest to this working for legs extremely well. I also tried it on back a few years after that, but back didn't benefit from 3x/week at all for me. But 3x/week squats...It worked like crazy. But you have to learn to train through soreness, cause your legs will still be sore from the previous workout.
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if you ever reach the point of "overtraining" you just have a longer and better nights rest than normal
you still doing the lunges everyday?
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you still doing the lunges everyday?
every other day work legs
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Back in the early 90's I read an article in a muscle magazine where a bodybuilder named J.J Marsh (who had huge legs) said his quads grew the most early in his career when he was squatting three times a week. My legs at the time were a little above average at best, but I figured I would try the 3x/week squatting to see if I could benefit from it. Sure enough, they grew and grew. I can attest to this working for legs extremely well. I also tried it on back a few years after that, but back didn't benefit from 3x/week at all for me. But 3x/week squats...It worked like crazy. But you have to learn to train through soreness, cause your legs will still be sore from the previous workout.
they only grow a little bit more training a bodypart 5 times a week rather than 3. its not like you hit some miraculous insane growth hitting one extra day a week but everything still adds up.
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Im natty No nutrition.....just training and my arms are good....
I know a thing or two about training.... mainly from trial and error....
would you train back or legs 3 times a week?
My training is very intense... no way can anyone do 3 of my rm workouts a week.... or legs or chest or back etc
if his arms are lagging and he hitting them 3 times a week .. plus back chest and delts... his arms will not get time to recover IF he is training them intensely... y arms responds well to training but
best gains or me is when i started to hit them once a week....
and yes ive had workouts where my ars have had DOMS or a week
Arms seriously sore for 7 days?! While you're in shape already? Arms are a strong point for me too, and I've done some (stupid) crazy arm workouts but 4 days is max for DOMS. Legs is another story...
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mesmorph is one of the most gifted natural physique-athletes of all time, normal rules of soreness do not apply to him.
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Arms seriously sore for 7 days?! While you're in shape already? Arms are a strong point for me too, and I've done some (stupid) crazy arm workouts but 4 days is max for DOMS. Legs is another story...
Ive never not been in shpe,obviously in regard to doms nothing beats the first workouts
im not saying I get doms 7 days all the time but when i majorly switch things up I on rare occasion carry doms that long .. particularly in the tri's but in truth once i got past 6 yrs of training... doms in the are are rare unless i take a break or switch things up....
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mesmorph is one of the most gifted natural physique-athletes of all time, normal rules of soreness do not apply to him.
No the other black guy Adrian has him beat lol
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No the other black guy Adrian has him beat lol
Superior African genetics keepin whitey down
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Gymnasts or any athlete at the olympic level have elite genetics. You might not have the same results as them.
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These guys train their asses off for hours per day. None of that 3x per week 1h workouts bodybuilding bullshit.
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(http://imgs.abduzeedo.com/files/gismullr/beautifulhouses/beautifulhouses118/middlepark16.jpg)
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(http://imgs.abduzeedo.com/files/gismullr/beautifulhouses/beautifulhouses118/middlepark16.jpg)
Why are you posting pictures of my private property >:(
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to show where you made of mate
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Regarding the original question of whether it's beneficial to train small muscle groups daily; Johnnie Jackson has some of the best traps ever and he said he developed them because when he was young he'd do shrugs every single day.
It's worth a shot.
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Regarding the original question of whether it's beneficial to train small muscle groups daily; Johnnie Jackson has some of the best traps ever and he said he developed them because when he was young he'd do shrugs every single day.
It's worth a shot.
But did he develop them because he worked them every day or are his (traps) genetics that good that he could get away with working them each day? And how would they have looked if he had trained them 3, 2 or 1 time per week.
All Bro science, sir... ;)
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Regarding the original question of whether it's beneficial to train small muscle groups daily; Johnnie Jackson has some of the best traps ever and he said he developed them because when he was young he'd do shrugs every single day.
It's worth a shot.
Yeah right. Its all drugs
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Superior African genetics keepin whitey down
but that don't matter none, coz whitely can do her better
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But did he develop them because he worked them every day or are his (traps) genetics that good that he could get away with working them each day? And how would they have looked if he had trained them 3, 2 or 1 time per week.
All Bro science, sir... ;)
You have to also remember for many, traps are the easiest to train. And they grow like weeds. If one is younger, training them every day or every other day is going produce good or great results, whether you are natty or not.
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You have to also remember for many, traps are the easiest to train. And they grow like weeds. If one is younger, training them every day or every other day is going produce good or great results, whether you are natty or not.
x2
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LOL @ u morons who waste time training ur arms twice, three times per week. I've been training for 14 years and the past 3 years, I have stopped training arms all together. I have had not one single arm workout in 3 years. They look exactly the same as 3 years ago. You can train your arms 7 days all u want. they will look the same. Stick to once per week if you're conscious about them. Or just drop them all together and concentrate on exercises that release more testoterone (squats, back, etc)... more testoterone = bigger everywhere.
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LOL @ u morons who waste time training ur arms twice, three times per week. I've been training for 14 years and the past 3 years, I have stopped training arms all together. I have had not one single arm workout in 3 years. They look exactly the same as 3 years ago. You can train your arms 7 days all u want. they will look the same. Stick to once per week if you're conscious about them. Or just drop them all together and concentrate on exercises that release more testoterone (squats, back, etc)... more testoterone = bigger everywhere.
Here you go...no progress in 3 yrs. ???
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LOL @ u morons who waste time training ur arms twice, three times per week. I've been training for 14 years and the past 3 years, I have stopped training arms all together. I have had not one single arm workout in 3 years. They look exactly the same as 3 years ago. You can train your arms 7 days all u want. they will look the same. Stick to once per week if you're conscious about them. Or just drop them all together and concentrate on exercises that release more testoterone (squats, back, etc)... more testoterone = bigger everywhere.
That's a myth. And you might be happy with your arms supposedly staying the same size but what if you want them bigger...
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Here you go...no progress in 3 yrs. ???
Lol exactly
"you guys should train like me, my body hasn't changed in 3 years!"
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I always found the reverse-grip pull up the single best biceps exercise..
I agree, it also hits my upper back in a different way than a wide over hand grip.
8)
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Is the low body fat that makes all the difference.
WOOOSSSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
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impressive. some of those guys are built.. with REAL muscle. Its the lifestyle that gives them that look. Wrestlers have builds that reflect on the type of activities they do as well. Drugs wont help you attain that, only hard work.
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I have had not one single arm workout in 3 years. They look exactly the same as 3 years ago.
What do they measure? 15 or 19" ?
That's the point
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Arms seriously sore for 7 days?! While you're in shape already? Arms are a strong point for me too, and I've done some (stupid) crazy arm workouts but 4 days is max for DOMS. Legs is another story...
EVEN IF THEY ARE SORE FOR 7 DAYS... SO WHAT??? Hit them again...
At the moment I only train each muscle once a week, and there are times I'll still be sore the following week... that doesn't mean I won't train??? same applies for the days back when I was working each muscle twice a week... they would still be sore when its time to train them again.. but I'd still hit them again nevertheless!
Yes I am of the belief, if you think you arms are lagging... then go ahead and hit them twice a week or even 3 times a week if you want, and I believe they will improve!
(http://www.ahmedelattar.com/images/bipicssss.jpg)
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EVEN IF THEY ARE SORE FOR 7 DAYS... SO WHAT??? Hit them again...
At the moment I only train each muscle once a week, and there are times I'll still be sore the following week... that doesn't mean I won't train??? same applies for the days back when I was working each muscle twice a week... they would still be sore when its time to train them again.. but I'd still hit them again nevertheless!
Yes I am of the belief, if you think you arms are lagging... then go ahead and hit them twice a week or even 3 times a week if you want, and I believe they will improve!
(http://www.ahmedelattar.com/images/bipicssss.jpg)
Some argue it's counter productive for a natty, that it's a sign you haven't recovered yet.
I don't really care any more...I just wanna look like a non-gay Bob Paris
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Some argue it's counter productive for a natty, that it's a sign you haven't recovered yet.
I don't really care any more...I just wanna look like a non-gay Bob Paris
I don't believe in that... people think "oh you're overtraining" - I say.. Fuck overtraining! If you can still train then train....
You think these gymnasts aren't sore after a practice? But they are back again the very next day doing the exact same thing!
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EVEN IF THEY ARE SORE FOR 7 DAYS... SO WHAT??? Hit them again...
At the moment I only train each muscle once a week, and there are times I'll still be sore the following week... that doesn't mean I won't train??? same applies for the days back when I was working each muscle twice a week... they would still be sore when its time to train them again.. but I'd still hit them again nevertheless!
Yes I am of the belief, if you think you arms are lagging... then go ahead and hit them twice a week or even 3 times a week if you want, and I believe they will improve!
(http://www.ahmedelattar.com/images/bipicssss.jpg)
why stop at 3 ... why not 8..
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If you can train arms 3 days a week and improve you are either on an astronomical amount of drugs or you are lying.
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why stop at 3 ... why not 8..
why not. if all you want is big arms and small everything else
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If you can train arms 3 days a week and improve you are either on an astronomical amount of drugs or you are lying.
im inclined to agree here
arms are used for shoulders back and chest
so 3 times a week meas your effectively changing them
tris 5 times a week bis 4 times
thats dumb
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im inclined to agree here
arms are used for shoulders back and chest
so 3 times a week meas your effectively changing them
tris 5 times a week bis 4 times
thats dumb
Fail
If you can train arms 3 days a week and improve you are either on an astronomical amount of drugs or you are lying.
Fail
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why not. if all you want is big arms and small everything else
if your working arms properly
.... and i dont mean doing a set then 10 mins later another ... no way will anyone be banging arms 3 times a week
especially if your a natural.... they will get no time to recover....
muscles grow when they are resting not in the gym
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if your working arms properly
.... and i dont mean doing a set then 10 mins later another ... no way will anyone be banging arms 3 times a week
especially if your a natural.... they will get no time to recover....
muscles grow when they are resting not in the gym
You are underestimating how fast muscles can recover!
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You are underestimating how fast muscles can recover!
really well not many naturals train like me.... so
i know if you did a week with me..... ha ha ha ha you would not be doing arms 3 times a week thats a fact
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really well not many naturals train like me.... so
i know if you did a week with me..... ha ha ha ha you would not be doing arms 3 times a week thats a fact
;)
Oh you are so hardcore - I wish we could all be like you! You must be the hardest training natural in America! I'm sure you will win the Team Universe like its a cake walk! ::)
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why not. if all you want is big arms and small everything else
It doesn't work like that. It has a systemic effect. In the short term it may work to a degree as long as you are small and weak. An 18 inch arm contracting 3 days a week like that takes a lot more out of the body's ability to recover than a 12 inch arm doing the same. Eventually you will find that for improvements without drugs the arms will require less work, but more importantly smarter training.
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Oh you are so hardcore - I wish we could all be like you! You must be the hardest training natural in America! I'm sure you will win the Team Universe like its a cake walk! ::)
You go work out with Mes, I dare ya...I double dog dare ya!
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Oh you are so hardcore - I wish we could all be like you! You must be the hardest training natural in America! I'm sure you will win the Team Universe like its a cake walk! ::)
I dont even know what that is.... and im not in the states.....
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It doesn't work like that. It has a systemic effect. In the short term it may work to a degree as long as you are small and weak. An 18 inch arm contracting 3 days a week like that takes a lot more out of the body's ability to recover than a 12 inch arm doing the same. Eventually you will find that for improvements without drugs the arms will require less work, but more importantly smarter training.
I disagree....
I'm not saying your body doesn't need any rest! Sure your body definitely needs its time recover, and taking in the proper nutrition, the proper supplementation will help...
But I'm saying you guys are falling into this whole key word voodoo shit of "Overtraining" .... many lifters sell themselves short because they are scared to "ovetrain" , many lifters don't reach their potential because of fear that they will "overtrain"
The human body is built to sustain a lot... and it will adapt - it is a homeostatic organism!! Its made to survive!
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I dont even know what that is.... and im not in the states.....
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Ok.... The Team Universe is hailed as the biggest Natural bodybuilding show in America... (whether the competitors are really natural or not... thats up for discussion) but thats what it is!
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You go work out with Mes, I dare ya...I double dog dare ya!
;D ;D ;D
what say you parker...
your an arm guy
3 times a week....??
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;D ;D ;D
what say you parker...
your an arm guy
3 times a week....??
For the record... I've stated I personally train arms once a week... and my arm work out is a 2-3 hours session - So Mes... come at me bro!
But I'm also saying, there wouldn't be anything wrong if one decides to train arms 2 or 3 times a week!
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I disagree....
I'm not saying your body doesn't need any rest! Sure your body definitely needs its time recover, and taking in the proper nutrition, the proper supplementation will help...
But I'm saying you guys are falling into this whole key word voodoo shit of "Overtraining" .... many lifters sell themselves short because they are scared to "ovetrain" , many lifters don't reach their potential because of fear that they will "overtrain"
The human body is built to sustain a lot... and it will adapt - it is a homeostatic organism!! Its made to survive!
I disagree also. I think people don't fully appreciate how EASY it is to overtrain. We do adapt, albeit at a pace that nature/biology dictates, which has very real limitations.
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Ok.... The Team Universe is hailed as the biggest Natural bodybuilding show in America... (whether the competitors are really natural or not... thats up for discussion) but thats what it is!
ok well .. like i said...if you are banging arms hard....you shouldnt be able to working them 3 times a week is counter productive... I think
and banging them 3 times a week would mess with working chest bis and delts
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For the record... I've stated I personally train arms once a week... and my arm work out is a 2-3 hours session - So Mes... come at me bro!
But I'm also saying, there wouldn't be anything wrong if one decides to train arms 2 or 3 times a week!
its not the legnth of the session
its what you do in that session that counts
i used to do those 2 3 hr arm sessions trust me
when i truly learned how to work arms.... 2 hrs isnt necessary and I kill my arms
no fucking about trust me on that
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what say you parker...
your an arm guy
3 times a week....??
If I superset, one day a week
if I break it up--bis on one day, tris on another...
Every now and then, I might hit bis a second time just to feel the pump. Tris always get it twice when working chest and doing decline push ups.
A full arm work out 3x a week, Hell No!
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ok well .. like i said...if you are banging arms hard....you shouldnt be able to working them 3 times a week is counter productive... I think
and banging them 3 times a week would mess with working chest bis and delts
See thats the thing... this discussion is not about whether it will mess working out chest and bicep... if you read my other posts, I specifically said, sure if you want big arms and small everything else go head and train arms 8 times a week.
This discussion is about how much the muscle can sustain and how much recovery is needed.... and I am of the personal believe that you guys are underestimating recovery needs.
I disagree also. I think people don't fully appreciate how EASY it is to overtrain. We do adapt, albeit at a pace that nature/biology dictates, which has very real limitations.
We are all going to have to agree to disagree. Because we are spinning around in circles.
I'm telling you guys what I PERSONALLY think... and what has PERSONALLY worked for me in the past (even though now I train each muscle ONCE a week).... maybe you guys have had other stuff work for you, and thats great, I'm not gonna deny that!
its not the legnth of the session
its what you do in that session that counts
i used to do those 2 3 hr arm sessions trust me
when i truly learned how to work arms.... 2 hrs isnt necessary and I kill my arms
no fucking about trust me on that
And for the record... my arm work outs are plenty intense ;D
(https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/s720x720/395343_10100253807509564_639473214_n.jpg)
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(http://ahmedelattar.com/images/bipicssss.jpg)
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See thats the thing... this discussion is not about whether it will mess working out chest and bicep... if you read my other posts, I specifically said, sure if you want big arms and small everything else go head and train arms 8 times a week.
This discussion is about how much the muscle can sustain and how much recovery is needed.... and I am of the personal believe that you guys are underestimating recovery needs.
We are all going to have to agree to disagree. Because we are spinning around in circles.
I'm telling you guys what I PERSONALLY think... and what has PERSONALLY worked for me in the past (even though now I train each muscle ONCE a week).... maybe you guys have had other stuff work for you, and thats great, I'm not gonna deny that!
And for the record... my arm work outs are plenty intense ;D
(https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/s720x720/395343_10100253807509564_639473214_n.jpg)
(https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/315618_990878629174_6115099_n.jpg)
(https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/26162_718373930774_4111306_n.jpg)
(http://ahmedelattar.com/images/bipicssss.jpg)
You've gotta get those epic leans again bro
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See thats the thing... this discussion is not about whether it will mess working out chest and bicep... if you read my other posts, I specifically said, sure if you want big arms and small everything else go head and train arms 8 times a week.
This discussion is about how much the muscle can sustain and how much recovery is needed.... and I am of the personal believe that you guys are underestimating recovery needs.
We are all going to have to agree to disagree. Because we are spinning around in circles.
I'm telling you guys what I PERSONALLY think... and what has PERSONALLY worked for me in the past (even though now I train each muscle ONCE a week).... maybe you guys have had other stuff work for you, and thats great, I'm not gonna deny that!
And for the record... my arm work outs are plenty intense ;D
(https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/s720x720/395343_10100253807509564_639473214_n.jpg)
(https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/315618_990878629174_6115099_n.jpg)
(https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/26162_718373930774_4111306_n.jpg)
(http://ahmedelattar.com/images/bipicssss.jpg)
ok
a tri workout for me would
be
pressdowns
close grip
set1 135 20 reps
set2 225 20 reps
set 3 315 10 reps
set 4 350 6 reps
drop set 315 10 reps, 15 reps, 135 20 reps
skulls
set 1 one 45lb plate per side
set 2 one 45lb plate and a 25 per side
set 3 2 45 plates per side 225lb (cambered bar)
dumbell etensions up to 130, 145 if im feeling good
then pressdowns, rope pressdowns
no way will I be doing that 3 times a week ..... sorry and have the same intensity for chest and delts
set 1
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ok
a tri workout for me would
be
pressdowns
close grip
set1 135 20 reps
set2 225 20 reps
set 3 315 10 reps
set 4 350 6 reps
drop set 315 10 reps, 15 reps, 135 20 reps
skulls
set 1 one 45lb plate per side
set 2 one 45lb plate and a 25 per side
set 3 2 45 plates per side 225lb (cambered bar)
dumbell etensions up to 130, 145 if im feeling good
then pressdowns, rope pressdowns
no way will I be doing that 3 times a week ..... sorry and have the same intensity for chest and delts
set 1
Meso - I'm in no way doubting that you have super intense work outs... I believed it long before you posted that split.
YES.... if you decide to train arms more than once a week you will have to alter your work out split (and this will go for other bodyparts as well). When I was training each body part 2 times a week I was making great gains, but I switched to training each body part once a week for two reasons... 1. It was just physically exhausting on my nervous system, 2. I wanted to dedicate 1 full day for a body part instead of "sharing" it with other muscles..... this doesn't mean I wasn't making awesome gains when I was doing twice a week... I Sure was, but it was different, and I tried to do it for as long as I could!
You've gotta get those epic leans again bro
Thanks bro... but frankly at the moment... too uninterested to do so (I like being bigger, fatter, and stronger, than thinner, leaner, and weaker) and too pre-occupied with other things in my life to focus on a full on pre-contest diet (like my PhD, work, family, etc.)
Maybe one day I'll decide to compete again... but at the moment, I don't have the itch, and am just happy with how I am right now!
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"making great gains" oh brother... why would you stop ::)
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Meso - I'm in no way doubting that you have super intense work outs... I believed it long before you posted that split.
YES.... if you decide to train arms more than once a week you will have to alter your work out split (and this will go for other bodyparts as well). When I was training each body part 2 times a week I was making great gains, but I switched to training each body part once a week for two reasons... 1. It was just physically exhausting on my nervous system, 2. I wanted to dedicate 1 full day for a body part instead of "sharing" it with other muscles..... this doesn't mean I wasn't making awesome gains when I was doing twice a week... I Sure was, but it was different, and I tried to do it for as long as I could!
Thanks bro... but frankly at the moment... too uninterested to do so (I like being bigger, fatter, and stronger, than thinner, leaner, and weaker) and too pre-occupied with other things in my life to focus on a full on pre-contest diet (like my PhD, work, family, etc.)
Maybe one day I'll decide to compete again... but at the moment, I don't have the itch, and am just happy with how I am right now!
Ok that I agree with
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"making great gains" oh brother... why would you stop ::)
Honestly... I found the work outs to be too exhausting and too time consuming... not to say my work outs now are short... but they are shorter....
I decided I wanted to try another style... while still making just as good of gains...
I'm not trying to bring up one specific lagging muscle, but rather bring up my entire body..... but all I'm saying is, IF I WAS trying to bring up one lagging part, I would do it more than once a week!
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just curious big ach, what's your arm measure when you are in contest condition?
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You have the worst taste. It's like Patrick Bateman meets Ikea.
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just curious big ach, what's your arm measure when you are in contest condition?
Probably like 16.5, when I compete at 178 or so
In the offseasom when they are 18.5 I weigh about 235 as I do now