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From my FB page. Very similar. Structure, density, shape, everything. Who ya got?
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Front&back double biceps are Phil's best poses by far. In that comparison they are pretty equal. In my opinion Flex's any top shape(93, 98, 99) is better than we've seen on Phil.
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Front&back double biceps are Phil's best poses by far. In that comparison they are pretty equal. In my opinion Flex's any top shape(93, 98, 99) is better than we've seen on Phil.
But do you consider the whole package? Flex's hams and glutes are squishy as fuck where Phil is hard from top to bottom. Phil wins easy
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I prefer Flex, but Phil would probably beat him from the judges standpoint.
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They both do not look strong, therefore they should not be mr O....
hope this helps
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But do you consider the whole package? Flex's hams and glutes are squishy as fuck where Phil is hard from top to bottom. Phil wins easy
Actually no, that pic was from the 93 Arnold, I found it in a magazine, posted it here, it was a pic I used to show that flex didn't have "calf implants".
You are comparig that quality of photo from 93 to a sharper quality photo of today's era.
Flex was about 216 and dry as all get out.
Flex from the back beats him, and from the front as well. Phil would win the front lat spread,
but Flex had cross-striated quads. Hams would go to Phil, Arms would be a toss up.
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Front&back double biceps are Phil's best poses by far. In that comparison they are pretty equal. In my opinion Flex's any top shape(93, 98, 99) is better than we've seen on Phil.
That!
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Flex in 1993 was unreal! I was at that Arnold and it wasnt even close with him and Labrada.
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Heath is bigger and in better shape, where is the comparison?
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better calves on flex tho
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From my FB page. Very similar. Structure, density, shape, everything. Who ya got?
I remember making this comparison years ago. That was 1993 AC Flex vs. 2008 Ironman Phil.
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Actually no, that pic was from the 93 Arnold, I found it in a magazine, posted it here, it was a pic I used to show that flex didn't have "calf implants".
You are comparig that quality of photo from 93 to a sharper quality photo of today's era.
Flex was about 216 and dry as all get out.
Flex from the back beats him, and from the front as well. Phil would win the front lat spread,
but Flex had cross-striated quads. Hams would go to Phil, Arms would be a toss up.
Actually no what? In what way does Flex beat him from the back? Even if one photo is better than the next, Flex's fat ass is right there for you to see. Health is hard as a rock top to bottom. Flex is tight top only, regardless how dry he is. His calves are pathetic while Health's are great. it's no contest from the back which is what the thread asked for, I wont address anything else
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Actually no what? In what way does Flex beat him from the back? Even if one photo is better than the next, Flex's fat ass is right there for you to see. Health is hard as a rock top to bottom. Flex is tight top only, regardless how dry he is. His calves are pathetic while Health's are great. it's no contest from the back which is what the thread asked for, I wont address anything else
what the hell are you talking about, there are clearly visible striations on flex's ass, homo ::)
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They both do not look strong, therefore they should not be mr O....
hope this helps
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what the hell are you talking about, there are clearly visible striations on flex's ass, homo ::)
Guess I didnt look hard enough. ::)
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This is gotta be a joke....FLEX destroys Phil
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The lines on Flex are way deeper, the comparison is not fare either way, a shitty old unfocused pic vs a clear pic? I give the nod to Flex, he has bigger muscle bellies and more dense, although Phil is thicker.
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Actually no what? In what way does Flex beat him from the back? Even if one photo is better than the next, Flex's fat ass is right there for you to see. Health is hard as a rock top to bottom. Flex is tight top only, regardless how dry he is. His calves are pathetic while Health's are great. it's no contest from the back which is what the thread asked for, I wont address anything else
Flex has striations in his lower back---he is complete up and down. Phil has him on the hams, back arm, delts, goes to Flex.
I wouldn't say Flex had a "fat" ass, because he was measured at...
And so the meme goes on...
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Phil is thicker, and his entire lower body (glutes, hams,) blows that oilbag away (too bad for Flex you can't inject oil in your hamstrings and glutes)
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Phil is thicker, and his entire lower body (glutes, hams,) blows that oilbag away (too bad for Flex you can't inject oil in your hamstrings and glutes)
This was before the oil.
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This was before the oil.
Flex and Kevin(among others) used boatloads of esceline. Flex admitting years ago to having over 100 injection sites. Jay cuter the same.
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Actually no what? In what way does Flex beat him from the back? Even if one photo is better than the next, Flex's fat ass is right there for you to see. Health is hard as a rock top to bottom. Flex is tight top only, regardless how dry he is. His calves are pathetic while Health's are great. it's no contest from the back which is what the thread asked for, I wont address anything else
You have to excuse Parker he has a hard on for flex as he is his "idol."
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flex wins
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You have to excuse Parker he has a hard on for flex as he is his "idol."
I can admit that Phil is thicker (he weighs more), and better in certain areas.
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They both do not look strong, therefore they should not be mr O....
hope this helps
LMFAO ! YUP, INSANELY MUSCULAR DUDES FROM TOP TO BOTTOM, DONT LOOK STRONG AT ALL ! ;D ;D ;D YOU GOT TO BE FUCKING KIDDING ME
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Heath would win because his conditioning is MUCH better..
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flex wins
But Phil wins the olympia
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Upper back and triceps for Flex, but Phill has that meatiness that the judges adore.
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From my FB page. Very similar. Structure, density, shape, everything. Who ya got?
Close call, @ his Peak Flex Had that really Deep Separation in the Middle and LOWER Back, Heaths got the Ham/Glute Separation on Flex close call ether way
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Great shot right there. Probably 224-228 tops, but crazy.
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Here's another from the 93 Arnold, can not recall his weight something like 216-219lbs @ the show
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Flex would beat Heath.
1. Pics from Heath are 'doctored' to a much higher degree
2. Heath lacks the balance and flow of a pre-oil Wheeler
3. Heath has a strange midsection that 'disturbs' many poses
4. Heath has narrow clavicles (yes, narrower than Flex, and with a wider waist) that 'destroys' many poses
5. Due to point 3 and 4 and many more, Flex would dominate Heath in most of the mandatories (except back lat spread)
I will now post some pics to illustrate my points...
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FDB
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more FDB
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more FDB
^That FDB from the 1992 USA is Unbelievable :o :o :o
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FLS
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SC
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More SC
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From the back - Christmas three
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Fleax easily .. who disagrees, need to study schmoebuilding for a few more years ... I know people love Heath but to compare him with Flex's best showing ever and arguably one of the best showings ever in shape on stage in history, is a little ludicrous.
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More from the BACK
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More BACK
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More BACK
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More BACK
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Only reason why flex appears smoother in hams is because of pic quality tommy posted 93 vs current hi-def pics. As parker said, flex could not have been in better condition, everyone that follows bbing knows AC 93 flex was unbeatable (on the day vs competitors of the time).
On other hand, phil has a very good back. The man is mostly delts & arms, has a comparatevely weak chest and width, but he has a very good RDB, great back, hams, very dry. Its an underrated facet of his physique, because what people first see is these huge arms.
93 AC Flex Wheeler vs Heath? Flex wins IMO.
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Different versions of the MM
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More MM
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More MM
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Abs
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One more
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Not many could stand next to a relaxed Dillett. Flex barely holds his own... By the way, this is how a relaxed should be executed. Not that stupid way they do today with their arms straight out to the side.. Arms should hang down. Then again, you need a slim waist and wide shoulders to do that......
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More various poses
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To sum it up...
Flex wins.
When speaking of all time great physiqes on a bb stage, Flex in 93 (or even 92) will always be mentioned.
Have a nice day folks
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Phil is way thicker.
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Phil wins in the "face making Pose"
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So...... Basically flex only looked good one year 93??
In the end Phil will retire a multiple O winner and will be mentioned with Arnold, dorian, Ronnie, haney, Sergio, etc.... And flex will just be like serge....
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So...... Basically flex only looked good one year 93??
Flex was second three times at the most toughest Olympia lineups ever. Only Dorian and Ronnie could handle him when he was on. In many ways Flex had bad luck. His carrier was very short. It took him time to get over the car accident(94) and when he did he only a couple of good years left and his kidneys started failing. Still he had magnificent carrier. Four Arnolds, three O runner-ups, 17 pro wins. Ninja's lost!!
In the end Phil will retire a multiple O winner and will be mentioned with Arnold, dorian, Ronnie, haney, Sergio, etc.... And flex will just be like serge....
It will be highly unlikely. Winning Olympia itself doesn't matter but who you beat. Even Haney's legacy suffers from that and he doesn't get recognition he deserves. I don't think this era will produce any legends.
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wasn't Shawn Ray obsessed with Flex's calves at one point?
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We'll see we haven't seen the best of Phil yet, hopefully his kidneys don't fall out he can be a freak! He's somewhat a combo of levrone and flex in ways
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wasn't Shawn Ray obsessed with Flex's calves at one point?
Whawn said on here that hexwas effing with Flex's head, because he how to get to him, and he knew that getting Flex's head out of the game, was to nullify Flex. Hence the reason why Flex said in his 93 vid, that he cut his "implants". And he supposed got a test to show that they weren't implants (at the infamous 97 Olympia press conference---where it was revealed that ninjas took flex out of the O).
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But Phil wins the olympia
Against who? Branch Kai?
Compare those to Cormier ray Levrine baker Coleman .... Get the picture?
Hope so?
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We'll see we haven't seen the best of Phil yet, hopefully his kidneys don't fall out he can be a freak! He's somewhat a combo of levrone and flex in ways
Agreed.
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Against who? Branch Kai?
Compare those to Cormier ray Levrine baker Coleman .... Get the picture?
Hope so?
Lemme get this straight flex, kev, were some of the BEST bbers ever imo but I can almost guarantee you their biggest regret is not winning the O! not that it was up to them but you can have all the arnold classics, runner ups or whatever but Phil has accomplished the big O!!!
Cormier is another great bber but ask him I bet he would be happy winning one Arnold classic, and he should have at least 2 if not 3 if ronnie didn't enter 01...
In some ways like dex Phil has won the biggest contest in bbing already. kev and flex were in the wrong era of bbing
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Against who? Branch Kai?
Compare those to Cormier ray Levrine baker Coleman .... Get the picture?
Hope so?
Also people don't look at like that, it's either you won or didn't... You get the picture??
All thjs ballonie about if so and so competed with (insert bber) all this if's.....
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Also people don't look at like that, it's either you won or didn't... You get the picture??
All thjs ballonie about if so and so competed with (insert bber) all this if's.....
People with intelligence do look at things like that
Tougher era the bbers had. Enter physiques then than now ...
So if branch wins a sandow that means he's a better bber than Levrone or ray or Cormier??
Or if jocelien potter won a sandow does that means he's better than Albert beckles or Ronnie robinson
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Think on these things buh bye
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People with intelligence do look at things like that
Tougher era the bbers had. Enter physiques then than now ...
So if branch wins a sandow that means he's a better bber than Levrone or ray or Cormier??
Or if jocelien potter won a sandow does that means he's better than Albert beckles or Ronnie robinson
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Think on these things buh bye
And we all know that bbing "sport" is just filled with intelligent people...
It's not branchs fault he is winning nor is it Phil for competing in a "weak" era. That's what you get for a subjective sport. Like I said we haven't seen the best of Phil yet, flex and kev yes.
And one to think about Dorian owned all of them and never lost to the names mentioned. Is he better??? Hmmmm lots seem to disagree
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And we all know that bbing "sport" is just filled with intelligent people...
It's not branchs fault he is winning nor is it Phil for competing in a "weak" era. That's what you get for a subjective sport. Like I said we haven't seen the best of Phil yet, flex and kev yes.
And one to think about Dorian owned all of them and never lost to the names mentioned. Is he better??? Hmmmm lots seem to disagree
So let me get this straight..... Mesmorph78 thinks it's all about who you beat and that is what makes you great, OK No one beat more quality pros then Yates, he beat the hardest field in the best era, he beat them all except Haney, so according to M78 Dorian is king, COOL... 8)
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So let me get this straight..... Mesmorph78 thinks it's all about who you beat and that is what makes you great, OK No one beat more quality pros then Yates, he beat the hardest field in the best era, he beat them all except Haney, so according to M78 Dorian is king, COOL... 8)
Exactly!! He seems to be saying it is who you beat but I guarantee he still would say flex or kev is better than Yates..
Personally I like kev, Cormier and rays physique but there is no denying dorians dominance on them
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So let me get this straight..... Mesmorph78 thinks it's all about who you beat and that is what makes you great, OK No one beat more quality pros then Yates, he beat the hardest field in the best era, he beat them all except Haney, so according to M78 Dorian is king, COOL... 8)
no ... you didnt get it at all...
listen if you think dorian is the greatest fine... i dont agree.... idont think dorian competed against a peak coleman cormier etc etc
what im saying is not because phil got a sandow means he is automatically better than every other bber who never got one dexter got a sandow is he better than peak flex??
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no ... you didnt get it at all...
listen if you think dorian is the greatest fine... i dont agree.... idont think dorian competed against a peak coleman cormier etc etc
what im saying is not because phil got a sandow means he is automatically better than every other bber who never got one dexter got a sandow is he better than peak flex??
Please??when was there ever a peak Cormier? 99 O??
By your logic Arnold S. isn't the greatest either cause he didn't compete against a peak Coleman and his era would be "weak" compared to the 90's...
Having a sandow in some ways does mean you're better! You've accomplished something only a handful of competitors has done
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no ... you didnt get it at all...
listen if you think dorian is the greatest fine... i dont agree.... idont think dorian competed against a peak coleman cormier etc etc
what im saying is not because phil got a sandow means he is automatically better than every other bber who never got one dexter got a sandow is he better than peak flex??
lmao :D...... I was just fucken with you, lol. 8)
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Heath is more massive but thats is...Flex has more stration, more separation, thinner waist, better posing skills which might lead to him winning more poses.
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not that it was up to them but you can have all the arnold classics, runner ups or whatever but Phil has accomplished the big O!!!
Back then winning the Olympia was like winning gold at the Olympic games
Nowdays winning the Olympia is like winning gold at the Paralympics
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Flex=Uncrowned Mr. Olympia! Not to mention Maybe the greatest Physique ever!
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Always been a fan of Flex's but Dillet is dominating this pic.
That's what a Mr.O should look like in a front relaxed.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=439553.0;attach=482606;image)
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lmao :D...... I was just fucken with you, lol. 8)
8)
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Always been a fan of Flex's but Dillet is dominating this pic.
That's what a Mr.O should look like in a front relaxed.
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But do you consider the whole package? Flex's hams and glutes are squishy as fuck where Phil is hard from top to bottom. Phil wins easy
Who the fuck cares about hard glutes and hams apart from gay people?
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Who the fuck cares about hard glutes and hams apart from gay people?
Well, Phil is "hard from top to bottom", whereas Flex is "squishy", so what do you think?
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Well, Phil is "hard from top to bottom", whereas Flex is "squishy", so what do you think?
As much as I like Flex his lower body lags behind Heaths , Heath has better hams/glutes/calves although I like the shape of Flex's quads better but breaking down parts doesn't mean much
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As much as I like Flex his lower body lags behind Heaths , Heath has better hams/glutes/calves although I like the shape of Flex's quads better but breaking down parts doesn't mean much
Quite true. Flex always had problems with his lower body coming in shape---it was better at lower bodyweights. Nasser would always comment on Flex's "big butt" (Nasser looking at men's butts?)
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Always been a fan of Flex's but Dillet is dominating this pic.
That's what a Mr.O should look like in a front relaxed.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=439553.0;attach=482606;image)
Brutal ownage. If Dillet had used his brain and concentrated on his back, posing and came in more conditioned he would have had a few million in the bank - of course he would have spent it by now!
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Brutal ownage. If Dillet had used his brain and concentrated on his back, posing and came in more conditioned he would have had a few million in the bank - of course he would have spent it by now!
His back was NEVER EVER going to improve can't fight genetics
looked like a winner from the front
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His back was NEVER EVER going to improve can't fight genetics
looked like a winner from the front
I think he must not have trained his back correctly. He had great genetics for overall development. Sure, maybe his back would never have been as great as Dorian or Ronnie's but it sure could have been better than what he ultimately achieved.
I recall he was also prone to muscle spasms. I myself have started getting bad spasms in my hamstrings the last 2-3 years. Not sure if it is old age or my shitty diet. The past few months I started eating more bananas (potassium)and that has helped with the cramps.
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Flex wins - thanks for the pics EspenG
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Kind of like comparing Reeves to Arnold in their primes..........2 different eras!
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Back then winning the Olympia was like winning gold at the Olympic games
Nowdays winning the Olympia is like winning gold at the Paralympics
Yeah but Phil will probably end up a millionaire if he hasn't yet, gets good sponserships, exposure while flex can only live in the past and hustle someone like the rhino for cash. Then we have levrone and his "levronepumpformula" and "levronereport ::) and finally Cormier hustling with his personal training at Venice golds. Epic truth!!!
If you're a bber there is no denying you would want to be in phils shoes.
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Yeah but Phil will probably end up a millionaire if he hasn't yet, gets good sponserships, exposure while flex can only live in the past and hustle someone like the rhino for cash. Then we have levrone and his "levronepumpformula" and "levronereport ::) and finally Cormier hustling with his personal training at Venice golds. Epic truth!!!
If you're a bber there is no denying you would want to be in phils shoes.
Agreed
And not to be funny, but I'll be anyway,
Guys like levrone, flex and cormier. Dillet too. 4 of the most genetically gifted men for bbing ever. Tiny joints, great frames, structure, full muscle bellies, perfect insertions, flow, and amazing response
Plus a massive fan base, they competed in the 90s mainly and it was a very strong era, yet we're all still talking about them
My point is, how the fuck can they not make and keep some cash?
Did they think they would look like that forever and be able to hustle indefinitely?
They had lots going for them, and it was shown by guys like sarcev and mattarazzo (not good examples as role models, I know) that you don't have to win a pro show to make money, they were hugely popular and couldve worked every week for years and if saved and invested smart, couldve done well.
Same for guys like de mayo and titus, whom as amateurs were doing very very well
Its the typical hustler mentality, easy come, easy go. Then later you beg for donations for medical bills and cry bout a kidney, and keep hustling at another level.
Winning the olympia makes it easier, but you don't have to. There was a time when platz was making more money than any other pro, same for shawn.
What they did with the $, I don't know...
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Kind of like comparing Reeves to Arnold in their primes..........2 different eras!
I think modern era started in 1993. All those top guys from that time would be competitive today.
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Flex in his prime would have definitely win a Sandow in this current lineup of Mr O contenders......it was too bad that the Mass Monsters were awarded in favor of more beautiful and sculpted physiques that could have win Sandows......Dorian, Coleman and Cutler were the true last mass monsters....I'll be damned if a physique like Branch's is Olympia worthy
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Flex in his prime would have definitely win a Sandow in this current lineup of Mr O contenders......it was too bad that the Mass Monsters were awarded in favor of more beautiful and sculpted physiques that could have win Sandows......Dorian, Coleman and Cutler were the true last mass monsters....I'll be damned if a physique like Branch's is Olympia worthy
Ronnie wasn't that much bigger than Flex, when he won his first Olympia. And, Ronnie's late 90s physique had good shape and proportions, too.
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Ronnie wasn't that much bigger than Flex, when he won his first Olympia. And, Ronnie's late 90s physique had good shape and proportions, too.
Flex- Low 230s
Ronnie 252
Ronnie was much bigger Flex is the Wizard of illusions. Nassole out weighed him by 40lbs and didn't look 40lbs bigger than Flex.
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Ronnie's lines and flow were shit compared to flex, yes he had detail but it's a separate attribute.
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That's what a Mr.O should look like in a front relaxed.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=439553.0;attach=482606;image)
Yes totally.
Dillet was Mr Olympia from the front as far as I'm concerned.
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Flex- Low 230s
Ronnie 252
Ronnie was much bigger Flex is the Wizard of illusions. Nassole out weighed him by 40lbs and didn't look 40lbs bigger than Flex.
That's my point. The scale doesn't really matter. Ronnie wasn't much bigger when he won the Olympia than he was in 1996, when he first beat Flex Wheeler and Wheeler beat him at NOC.
Comparing their physique, Ronnie only look slightly larger than Flex. If you weigh 230 and look 240-245, that helps you beat the mass monsters (not that Flex is a shrimp, by any stretch).
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Flex- Low 230s
Ronnie 252
Ronnie was much bigger Flex is the Wizard of illusions. Nassole out weighed him by 40lbs and didn't look 40lbs bigger than Flex.
Amazing
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Thats a hell of a lineup!!!! All of them had crazy shape
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Thats a hell of a lineup!!!! All of them had crazy shape
Best Arnold Classic line-up of all time was 1996. It was like an Olympia! And a very controversial win for Kevin (he should have lost that one).
1 Kevin Levrone USA $100,000
2 Flex Wheeler USA $45,000
3 Paul Dillett Canada $25,000
4 Vince Taylor USA $15,000
5 Shawn Ray USA $10,000
6 Andreas Munzer Austria $5,000
7 Roland Cziurlok Germany $1,000
8 Porter Cottrell USA $1,000
9 Jean Pierre Fux Switzerland $1,000
10 Darrem Charles Trinidad $1,000
11 Gunter Schlierkamp Germany $1,000
12 Roland Kickinger Austria $1,000
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They both do not look strong, therefore they should not be mr O....
hope this helps
5th-7th place?
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5th-7th place?
I asked Shawn about this on MD. He said he didnt decide to do the show until 10 weeks out. He bounced back at the O that year
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Best Arnold Classic line-up of all time was 1996. It was like an Olympia! And a very controversial win for Kevin (he should have lost that one).
1 Kevin Levrone USA $100,000
2 Flex Wheeler USA $45,000
3 Paul Dillett Canada $25,000
4 Vince Taylor USA $15,000
5 Shawn Ray USA $10,000
6 Andreas Munzer Austria $5,000
7 Roland Cziurlok Germany $1,000
8 Porter Cottrell USA $1,000
9 Jean Pierre Fux Switzerland $1,000
10 Darrem Charles Trinidad $1,000
11 Gunter Schlierkamp Germany $1,000
12 Roland Kickinger Austria $1,000
I thought it was a tossup, but Flex looked too "thick" in an odd way. It was like maybe he entered the gh/insulin era, because he had that "blown up from within" look. His waist was thicker as well.
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I thought it was a tossup, but Flex looked too "thick" in an odd way. It was like maybe he entered the gh/insulin era, because he had that "blown up from within" look. His waist was thicker as well.
He never was in really good condition again until 97 Arnold from when he got into his accident in 94. Looked like shit (for him) in 95 and 96. 97 he was good again.
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He never was in really good condition again until 97 Arnold from when he got into his accident in 94. Looked like shit (for him) in 95 and 96. 97 he was good again.
I might not go that far, Wiggs. He was in OK shape at the early '95 shows, just kind of small. I thought he was very impressive in 1996 for the Ironman, Arnold and NOC, around the time Ronnie was starting to come into his own ... nowhere near as ripped as his '93 best but the added size looked good on him. I definitely thought he kicked Kevin's ass at the 1996 ASC. Kevin had a more cut ass and hamstrings, but he looked bloofy everywhere else. Dillet even said Kevin was "fat" onstage, LOL. Dunno about that, but I didn't have him winning.
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He never was in really good condition again until 97 Arnold from when he got into his accident in 94. Looked like shit (for him) in 95 and 96. 97 he was good again.
Lower back and glutes and hams at the 97 Arnold were still soft---and he was 224. If he was 220, chances are that would have been his absolute showing, period.
The accident screwed his mind up, felt like he had to play catch up. Instead of doing like Shawn Ray---doing what suits you, not doing what suits everybody else.
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flex wins easy
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Not many can stand next to flex
The great branch warren can
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Phil is smoking him.
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flex wins easy
Stfu you mongoloid
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Phil is smoking him.
As much as I like Flex in that comparison he is , Flex can compete from the waist up but overall Phil wins
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The only reason Phil wins is because he is more consistent with his conditioning. Structurally I prefer the look of Flex. vs. the look of Phil.
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As much as I like Flex in that comparison he is , Flex can compete from the waist up but overall Phil wins
You tell that to these clowns that have "if" Phil competed with Cormier, flex, levrone or Ray...
Or it's cause Phil is competing in a "weak" line up..... Blah blah blah he is mr O, that's all that matters.
Since it's so easy flex, kev, Cormier should all come back and compete, they should place 1,2,3 since the field is so weak ::)
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Phil has surpassed Flex,he carries the oil a lot better too.
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The only reason Phil wins is because he is more consistent with his conditioning. Structurally I prefer the look of Flex. vs. the look of Phil.
Personally I think Shawn Ray had the most "real" muscle out od all of them. Flex became a oil bag..
Chris was good too
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Personally I think Shawn Ray had the most "real" muscle out od all of them. Flex became a oil bag..
If Shawn had been at least 5'9 he'd would have been an Olympia winner, I don't like Flex after 98. in 99 he went nuts with the slin and seos.
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If Shawn had been at least 5'9 he'd would have been an Olympia winner, I don't like Flex after 98. in 99 he went nuts with the slin and seos.
Come to think of it I think Cormier is better overall in terms of balance and his physique could pack on so much mass, being 5'10 and one of the best structure in bbing he did compete in upwards of 250 and could easily be in the 260's or 270's given his frame. I just think after the 4 time Arnold runner up spot got him mentally, that and lifestyle....
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Come to think of it I think Cormier is better overall in terms of balance and his physique could pack on so much mass, being 5'10 and one of the best structure in bbing he did compete in upwards of 250 and could easily be in the 260's or 270's given his frame. I just think after the 4 time Arnold runner up spot got him mentally, that and lifestyle....
Yes, Chriswas great but dude loved to "party" too much. He could have won an Olympia also.
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As much as I like Flex in that comparison he is , Flex can compete from the waist up but overall Phil wins
Yep. Like I said earlier in the thread, I would rather look like Flex in his prime, but in that particular comparison Phil is as hard as nails in those back shots. Phil's conditioning is too consistent head to toe to lose to Flex IMO.
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The more i look at Flex the more i think he was overrated. He doesn't look like he carries legit muscle, too much oil, very narrow, weak chest. Shawn had better aesthetics and its a fucking tragedy that he didn't get the O in 1994, Yates looked like complete shit. As for Chris, getting robbed against Jay at The AC so many times probably fucked up his motivation. Great structure.
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This is the problem, besides Ronnie emerging you got:
Flex - all genetics, got lazy, ego
Kev - only trained a couple of months, didn't have full off season to gain quality mass, legs went to shit, back was blah, so much more potential if that makes any sense
Shawn - short, criticized for looking the same, classic 80's physique but judges started turning to mass monsters, other than that seems to be no other big weaknesses but I bet his mouth got him in trouble...
Chris - PARTY... And white women, enough said
Then theres Phil, good preppy college boy from Denver, smart, well spoken, hard working and associated with jay...
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FW: "Chris, don't you think we should start thinking of what we're gonna do after competing, bro?"
CC: "yeah, yeah bro. I hear ya... Hey! Who dat fine white ho?!"
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Chris might lose to Flex and Phil in the BDB, but he arguably has the better RLS of the three.
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The more i look at Flex the more i think he was overrated. He doesn't look like he carries legit muscle, too much oil, very narrow, weak chest. Shawn had better aesthetics and its a fucking tragedy that he didn't get the O in 1994, Yates looked like complete shit. As for Chris, getting robbed against Jay at The AC so many times probably fucked up his motivation. Great structure.
He carried plenty of legitimate muscle with conditioning early on
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He carried plenty of legitimate muscle with conditioning early on
I just think he is overrated, Phil gets a huge amount of shit for being narrow, but so was flex, his chest looks tiny and his arms overpower his torso.
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I just think he is overrated, Phil gets a huge amount of shit for being narrow, but so was flex, his chest looks tiny and his arms overpower his torso.
Ha. Not overrated at all.
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Ha. Not overrated at all.
Bro your pics keep highlighting what i'm saying. He has serious balance issues and chest should always be the focal point of a physique. Nice lines and shape though.
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Bro your pics keep highlighting what i'm saying. He has serious balance issues and chest should always be the focal point of a physique. Nice lines and shape though.
I will agree that his chest was his weak point. His side-chest shot was amongst the best though.
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The more i look at Flex the more i think he was overrated. He doesn't look like he carries legit muscle, too much oil, very narrow, weak chest. Shawn had better aesthetics and its a fucking tragedy that he didn't get the O in 1994, Yates looked like complete shit. As for Chris, getting robbed against Jay at The AC so many times probably fucked up his motivation. Great structure.
The more you type the more you prove how fucking clueless you are
Flex was overrated , like I said you sound just like pumpster
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I just think he is overrated, Phil gets a huge amount of shit for being narrow, but so was flex, his chest looks tiny and his arms overpower his torso.
Flex had HUGE delts and arms and a very good chest but not good enough to not be overpowered by the delts and arms, much like kevin
Shawn ray had perfect balance of pecs, delts, arms. Definitely true he wouldve dominated if not for height
Personally I prefer early Flex 92 & 93 to phil . Later flex was stupid on so many levels.
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The more you type the more you prove how fucking clueless you are
Flex was overrated , like I said you sound just like pumpster
Fuck off you fat middle aged weirdo, you are the fucking clone of pumpster, you don't train and you are obsessed with some drug mule that couldn't give a fuck about your existence.
Collecting millions of magazines doesn't equate to training knowledge you fat retard.
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Fuck off you fat middle aged weirdo, you are the fucking clone of pumpster, you don't train and you are obsessed with some drug mule that couldn't give a fuck about your existence.
Collecting millions of magazines doesn't equate to training knowledge you fat retard.
meltdown
thanks for playing ;)
I'm still lol@ flex is overrated ;D
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Flex had HUGE delts and arms and a very good chest but not good enough to not be overpowered by the delts and arms, much like kevin
Shawn ray had perfect balance of pecs, delts, arms. Definitely true he wouldve dominated if not for height
Personally I prefer early Flex 92 & 93 to phil . Later flex was stupid on so many levels.
I agree on all counts, not a huge weakness due to how much detail they had everywhere else and their lines but i do think chest should be the center point.
I think Ray just got a bit overpowered due to height and weight but he still should have an O anyway, he nailed it in 94 and Dorian looked terrible that year.
I do too, but Phil has brought up his weaknesses and he has managed to do it without creating other problems elsewhere.
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meltdown
thanks for playing ;)
I'm still lol@ flex is overrated ;D
His aesthetics are overrated, but then you don't think Shawn Ray had an aesthetic physique so...
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I think Ray just got a bit overpowered due to height and weight but he still should have an O anyway, he nailed it in 94 and Dorian looked terrible that year.
Ray shouldve been mr olympia in 90, I'm a labrada fan and liked haney, but shawn was the clear winner
By the time 94 rolled around, a guy under 220 was not gonna get it. New conditioned size era with less emphasis on proportion, flow etc,
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His aesthetics are overrated, but then you don't think Shawn Ray had an aesthetic physique so...
Typical when you're called out on your utter bullshit and looking foolish you now change it to ' his aesthetics are overrated ' NOT what you said and even that is retarded and typical of how much you know
And I dare you to find the post where I typed I don't think Shawn was aesthetic ::) keep making shit up
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Typical when you're called out on your utter bullshit and looking foolish you now change it to ' his aesthetics are overrated ' NOT what you said and even that is retarded and typical of how much you know
And I dare you to find the post where I typed I don't think Shawn was aesthetic ::) keep making shit up
At least you are consistent with your lies and bullshit. Sorry but some fat schmoe with a 40,000 post hard on for Dorian Yates doesn't get call out privileges. You said that he wasn't very aesthetic or something to that effect. And my considering his aesthetics to be overrated would fall under the umbrella of being overrated wouldn't it genius.
Dare me lol you already reneged on your promise to quit when owned in the past by others.
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Come to think of it I think Cormier is better overall in terms of balance and his physique could pack on so much mass, being 5'10 and one of the best structure in bbing he did compete in upwards of 250 and could easily be in the 260's or 270's given his frame. I just think after the 4 time Arnold runner up spot got him mentally, that and lifestyle....
6x Arnold runner up. With Flex in 2000, then on up. He deserves to win against Jay, but it wasn't gonna happen. It effed his head up (I think), you can't rightfully prepare for a contest, and know that you aren't gonna win, even though you should, and you look better than the competition.
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From my FB page. Very similar. Structure, density, shape, everything. Who ya got?
Flex's lats were weak. His Teres Major and the way his lower lats stood out over his lower back (or how his lack of low back/lumbar/errector development stood out... a result of his detest for deadlifts), as well as his lower trap seperation created the illusion of wide, thick back.
That's an older pic of flex ('93 arnold I believe, maybe even the Olympia that year), so his shoulders weren't as swollen as they were 6 years later... so can't really compare phil's delts to flex's there. I don't care if they were site-injected, Flex's shoulders held oil very well, probably the best of anybody's (even groulx, in that era). However, phil's are still feathery and striated.
Phil's traps are developed top to bottom, flex only had "decent" development in the lower, mid back area... the traps near his neck and ears were thin. "Baby traps", nasser always called them.
leg's, i dunno... i'm not a fan of phil's legs. Flex had great shape to his quads, along with deeeeeep seperation up near his hips... and his hams, although always soft, had good sweep/hang. Glutes? flex had hard glutes 1 year in his life.. maybe a year and 6 months... when he won his pro card, and his first year in the ifbb. calves? well, they looked good in person, in the offseason, for a regular guy... but the lack of seperation, detail, or the ability to have a visible contraction es no bueno for bb comp's.
arms... i still think flex had the absolute best arms in the sport... shape, seperation, ect... always thought his triceps had perfect shape. you can't replicate that shape with site injections.. sure, you can enhance it a little, but you can't go from a mediocore tricep to a well shaped tricep with injections the way you can with biceps (or even shoulders... maybe).
...but phil is equally impressive in the arms. bi's, tri's, brach's, forearms, ect... feathery and seperated..... i think phil's lateral head is better than flex's (more like levrones), but i think flex's long head hang's better.
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flex looks better in this pic and he isnt even keeping in his mid section like heath. Heaths arms are too over powering. flex was complete.
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At least you are consistent with your lies and bullshit. Sorry but some fat schmoe with a 40,000 post hard on for Dorian Yates doesn't get call out privileges. You said that he wasn't very aesthetic or something to that effect. And my considering his aesthetics to be overrated would fall under the umbrella of being overrated wouldn't it genius.
Dare me lol you already reneged on your promise to quit when owned in the past by others.
Like I need your permission to call you out. Opppppsssss sorry already done fanboy ;) this is MY house and you wipe your feet before you step into my house. 8)
1) I never said Shawn Ray wasn't aesthetic and once again when someone calls you on your bullshit you amend it to ' or something to that effect ' ::)
2) I could be a fat schmoe and your dumb ass will still be wrong that Flex was ' overrated '
3) you're the biggest schmoe on here in every single thread lamenting about how the pretty physiques should win , pot calling the kettle black
4) you're pumpster and have a lot of balls calling someone fat and a schmoe :D
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See this is different and I would give it to Flex here
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Like I need your permission to call you out. Opppppsssss sorry already done fanboy ;) this is MY house and you wipe your feet before you step into my house. 8)
1) I never said Shawn Ray wasn't aesthetic and once again when someone calls you on your bullshit you amend it to ' or something to that effect ' ::)
2) I could be a fat schmoe and your dumb ass will still be wrong that Flex was ' overrated '
3) you're the biggest schmoe on here in every single thread lamenting about how the pretty physiques should win , pot calling the kettle black
4) you're pumpster and have a lot of balls calling someone fat and a schmoe :D
I pity you, i'm pretty sure you have downs syndrome, you can't deny facts. You have a good 40,000 posts wanking over Dorian, you are one of the most pathetic pieces of shit that i have ever seen. characteristics.
Maybe if you like muscles so much you should start training you ugly mong. ???
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I pity you, i'm pretty sure you have downs syndrome, you can't deny facts. You have a good 40,000 posts wanking over Dorian, you are one of the most pathetic pieces of shit that i have ever seen. characteristics.
Maybe if you like muscles so much you should start training you ugly mong. ???
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You seem to be obsessed with Pumpster, someone who you no doubt look exactly like. Want to both post pics you creepy old schmoe?
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You seem to be obsessed with Pumpster, someone who you no doubt look exactly like. Want to both post pics you creepy old schmoe?
Quite the contrary he was obsessed with me 8) like you are getting
and don't you have some pretty physiques to lust after ? nothing wrong with that if that's why you're into but where you go wrong is calling others gay , it's the guys like you who shout the loudest I can;'t wait until Bay outs you
Flex was ' overrated ' I'm still laughing at that one. :D
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Hammer Time
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Good ol' Flex "pimping" some iron....lol oh brother....I'll never forget him saying that shit.
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Phil would win by today's standards.
flex looked great, annoying that his two best bodyparts became fake at some unknown point though right?!