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Whats a good substitute? I'm trying to eliminate as much saturated fat from my diet as possible.
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Whats a good substitute? I'm trying to eliminate as much saturated fat from my diet as possible.
um... why? saturated fat is the healthy fat....
interesting fat fact: when you digest the monounsaturated fat in olive oil it becomes a saturated fat... that's why it's so healthy
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um... why? saturated fat is the healthy fat....
interesting fat fact: when you digest the monounsaturated fat in olive oil it becomes a saturated fat... that's why it's so healthy
What do you suggest to bring down LDL's? My HDL and Tri's are good. I thought reducing or eliminating saturated fat(red meat, butter) would help. I use red yeast rice(1200mgs) and five grams of fish oil per day and they help my lipid profile but I feel my diet could change for the better. An example of my diet now is:
Meal 1, slice of whole wheat bread with one tbs of natural PB and a tps of jam, banana
Meal 2, two whole eggs and 3 whites, oatmeal and a banana
Meal 3, chicken, turkey, rice
Meal 4, fish, chicken, rice, potato, veg
I was using butter to cook my eggs and was using it on bagels as well. Sometimes I would sear a steak in butter. I've also limited my simple sugars as my glucose was higher than normal on my recent cbc although still under 100.
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What do you suggest to bring down LDL's? My HDL and Tri's are good. I thought reducing or eliminating saturated fat(red meat, butter) would help. I use red yeast rice(1200mgs) and five grams of fish oil per day and they help my lipid profile but I feel my diet could change for the better. An example of my diet now is:
Meal 1, slice of whole wheat bread with one tbs of natural PB and a tps of jam, banana
Meal 2, two whole eggs and 3 whites, oatmeal and a banana
Meal 3, chicken, turkey, rice
Meal 4, fish, chicken, rice, potato, veg
I was using butter to cook my eggs and was using it on bagels as well. Sometimes I would sear a steak in butter. I've also limited my simple sugars as my glucose was higher than normal on my recent cbc although still under 100.
you won't like it, but your problem is obvious... cut all grain , sugar and processed foods from your diet as well as any hydrogenated oils (vegetable or seed)
eat more healthy fats coming from natural sources (butter, coconut oil, olive oil are my favorites, just don't cook with olive oil) you should also try to eat a lot more omega 3 fats (vege/seed oils create a massive omega 6 imbalance)
Meal 1, slice of whole wheat bread with one tbs of natural PB and a tps of jam, banana
Meal 2, two whole eggs and 3 whites, oatmeal and a banana
Meal 3, chicken, turkey, rice
Meal 4, fish, chicken, rice, potato, veg
i this sounds counter intuitive but eating more healthy fat decreases unhealthy blood markers in 99% of people... remember that cutting out processed foods is a huge part of being healthier...
just a few thoughts off the top of my head... the junk science of the 1970s has created an industry for deadly drugs like statins...
don't cut out the butter, cut out Merck, Monsanto and Margarine
just my $0.02
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um... why? saturated fat is the healthy fat....
interesting fat fact: when you digest the monounsaturated fat in olive oil it becomes a saturated fat... that's why it's so healthy
WTF are you talking about?
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WTF are you talking about?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oleic_acid (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oleic_acid)
Olive oil fat is mostly Oleic acid
During digestion Oleic acid undergoes the reactions of carboxylic acids and alkenes. It is soluble in aqueous base to give soaps called oleates. Iodine adds across the double bond. Hydrogenation of the double bond yields the saturated derivative stearic acid.
that's WTF I'm talking about :-*
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oleic_acid (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oleic_acid)
Olive oil fat is mostly Oleic acid
During digestion Oleic acid undergoes the reactions of carboxylic acids and alkenes. It is soluble in aqueous base to give soaps called oleates. Iodine adds across the double bond. Hydrogenation of the double bond yields the saturated derivative stearic acid.
that's WTF I'm talking about :-*
mmm negative ;)
gonna have to do better than that.
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mmm negative ;)
gonna have to do better than that.
Saturated fat is king
Respect teh King
Princess
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Saturated fat is king
Respect teh King
Princess
Saturated fat leads to heart disease. I appreciate your input but giving up whole grains and continuing to eat foods laden with saturated fat is just a bad idea.
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What do you suggest to bring down LDL's?
Plant sterols are found to reduce LDL levels. I haven't done enough research on this, and I have no personal experience. It's one of those many things I've filed away in my "things to further investigate" bank. Here are some studies for you to look over:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmedhealth/PMH0031211/
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmedhealth/PMH0022559/
And, for further searching: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmedhealth/?term=Sterols+LDL
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(http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTn6IUMctTn66qW66gsuf68dgzA_kfdNqZU1V3MpAfThaL_Lu02Sg)
(http://images.netrition.com/images/id_watermark_jpg/153-0956.jpg)
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Saturated fat leads to heart disease. I appreciate your input but giving up whole grains and continuing to eat foods laden with saturated fat is just a bad idea.
totally untrue
the lipid hypothesis has been disproved multiple times
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Saturated fat leads to heart disease. I appreciate your input but giving up whole grains and continuing to eat foods laden with saturated fat is just a bad idea.
Not from what I've been reading in the last year.
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Not from what I've been reading in the last year.
Most Of it based on OLD research.
Thank the American political system for the current food paradigm.
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Whats a good substitute? I'm trying to eliminate as much saturated fat from my diet as possible.
Olive oil
Saturated fat is king
Respect teh King
Princess
Not talking about the saturated fat debate, but your statement that olive oil turns into saturated fat once digested... dude...seriously...
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Olive oil
Not talking about the saturated fat debate, but your statement that olive oil turns into saturated fat once digested... dude...seriously...
don't be hatin
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Olive oil
Not talking about the saturated fat debate, but your statement that olive oil turns into saturated fat once digested... dude...seriously...
i posted the biological process...
it's how it is
you do not have to believe in reality
the low fat cult still has lots of followers
in the end though, all belief systems are shit
truth trumps all
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oleic_acid (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oleic_acid)
Olive oil fat is mostly Oleic acid
During digestion Oleic acid undergoes the reactions of carboxylic acids and alkenes. It is soluble in aqueous base to give soaps called oleates. Iodine adds across the double bond. Hydrogenation of the double bond yields the saturated derivative stearic acid.
that's WTF I'm talking about :-*
That is NOT part of the statement.
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Margarine.
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That is NOT part of the statement.
i am too lazy to debate anything... just finished dinner after a 12 hour day...
dinner was a big sirloin steak, almost raw, and half a can of black olives
if sat fat is bad for me
i'll be dead soon
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i am too lazy to debate anything... just finished dinner after a 12 hour day...
dinner was a big sirloin steak, almost raw, and half a can of black olives
if sat fat is bad for me
i'll be dead soon
I'm not looking to argue with you, nor am I trying to debate the saturated fat (being healthy or not) issue. My point is, olive oil does not change into a saturated fat once you ingest it.
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Margarine!
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Not from what I've been reading in the last year.
Post a double blind placebo controlled study. Thanks.
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Post a double blind placebo controlled study. Thanks.
my last responses to this gong show thread
this are all relavent
there are dozens more worth reading
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22585901 (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22585901)
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22988791 (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22988791)
studies like this one are also interesting (showing that PUFA likely does not have health benefits and may be unhealthy (obviously transfats are lethal))
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22968891 (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22968891)
picture for the reading challenged:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1179759/figure/fig1/ (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1179759/figure/fig1/)
again there are more
lipid hypothesis has been disproved over and over again
short story:
Saturated fat and Monounsaturated fatty acids (from natural, unprocessed sources) should be relatively large components of all human diets
Most Polyunsaturated (PUFA) fatty acids and especially the Trans-fatty acids created during the hydrogenation process should be is low quantities (naturally occurring PUFA) or completely avoided (processed PUFA, e.g. vegetable "fats")
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oh... almost forgot
this is fun reading:
http://dietheartnews.com/2012/08/illustrated-history-of-heart-disease-1825-2015/ (http://dietheartnews.com/2012/08/illustrated-history-of-heart-disease-1825-2015/)
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oh... almost forgot
this is fun reading:
http://dietheartnews.com/2012/08/illustrated-history-of-heart-disease-1825-2015/ (http://dietheartnews.com/2012/08/illustrated-history-of-heart-disease-1825-2015/)
Interesting
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Diet like most things in life needs to be approached in moderation but avoidance of certain substances such as refined sugers and trans fats seems best.
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Margarine!
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Margarine!
Most margarine is hydrogenated. AVOID
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Most margarine is hydrogenated. AVOID
ok
so i'm back in the thread to point out that current american nutritional policy indicates that hydrogenated oils are safe and that polyunsaturated fats lower chances of heart disease...
both claims are patently untrue
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I don't want to debate but I strongly encourage you guys to do a little bit more research.
Lard is beneficial and delicious. We're all a bunch of arrogant modern age fools.
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I don't want to debate but I strongly encourage you guys to do a little bit more research.
Lard is beneficial and delicious. We're all a bunch of arrogant modern age fools.
damn skippy...
lard is KING
unbelievably healthy, especially in northern climates (to help prevent vit-d deficiency, of course vit-d is not a vitamin at all, it's a hormone, but that's a topic for a different debate)