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Title: Lee Haney versus the current crop
Post by: wild willie on September 18, 2012, 06:00:43 AM
I will say that Lee Haney in prime condition.......ie 88, 89 and 91......90 was not his best showing....would absolutely devour any of the current fellas.....Branch.....Ph il....Dennis.....etc.

That type of physique will not be seen again......sadly!!!

The judges have ruined the sport and they are the real reason people are turned off.


I know I am not saying anything new here......but I just get so put off by the current system.

These guys today step on stage at over 270......but Lee at 230....had such lines and shape etc!!!!


Why would the sport that wants to be accepted so much......move in this direction.

Deplorable is the only word to describe the sport today.

My 2 cents.


Title: Re: Lee Haney versus the current crop
Post by: bigmikecox on September 18, 2012, 06:21:31 AM
you give Haney the drug protocol guys are doing today and he would be a MONSTER!!!!  Same with Sergio.


Title: Re: Lee Haney versus the current crop
Post by: wild willie on September 18, 2012, 06:37:56 AM
Big Mike.....


I am saying that Lee would beat them without the gear these dudes are taking......Lee has that build....physique.....ph ysical harmony....whatever you want to call it......that would always outclass most everyone on stage. He had a back that was developed without the gear that these guys are on today.....that in my opinion is proof right there!!!!


Lee had a special look to him.....as did Paris and Labrada and Samir etc........the ifbb pros competing today just can't hang with that look......as I stated earlier.....these guys are coming in at 270 and heavier.....but not even close to the quality and class of King Haney.

Ask yourself this.......Put Lee or even Paris up against Branch or Wolf or Ruhl......My lord.....it isn't even a contest......It is like comparing a dump truck to a Porsche.


Title: Re: Lee Haney versus the current crop
Post by: snx on September 18, 2012, 06:44:26 AM
Should he? Yes.

Would he? Nope...not with today's judging standards. Sad as it may be.


Title: Re: Lee Haney versus the current crop
Post by: Figo on September 18, 2012, 06:45:16 AM
I think a good way to look at it, would be to take the current crop to haney's day, so to speak, and then compare them to haney, they'd look like shit on mid 80s cycles and methods. IMO they'd get crushed by labrada, ray, gaspari, de mey, and obviously haney

Haney on todays stacks and ancillaries while possibly better than what we have, would still not be a pretty sight

However! Take haney or sergio to the mid/late 90s era, with what the guys were on, and let them emulate the look of the time,  AND THEN we'd see something unbelievable!!!


Title: Re: Lee Haney versus the current crop
Post by: wild willie on September 18, 2012, 06:59:44 AM
We......the fans......should judge bodybuilding shows.

The guys from the 80s and early 90s would probably steer clear of what the blokes today are using.


Nothing wrong with deca.....cyp.....anadrol ...etc.......but the insulin is out of hand.


Just my feelings on the matter.  BY the way......why would any of the old guys......Sergio....Lee and the others want to use what these current guys are using.....all they would do is ruin their physiques.

IMHO


Title: Re: Lee Haney versus the current crop
Post by: wild willie on September 18, 2012, 07:08:03 AM
you give Haney the drug protocol guys are doing today and he would be a MONSTER!!!!  Same with Sergio.
Sergio and Lee were monsters.....monsters with shape and a look that was rather pleasing to the eye......These guys today are nothing more than cattle.


Title: Re: Lee Haney versus the current crop
Post by: wild willie on September 18, 2012, 07:12:50 AM
I think a good way to look at it, would be to take the current crop to haney's day, so to speak, and then compare them to haney, they'd look like shit on mid 80s cycles and methods. IMO they'd get crushed by labrada, ray, gaspari, de mey, and obviously haney

Haney on todays stacks and ancillaries while possibly better than what we have, would still not be a pretty sight

However! Take haney or sergio to the mid/late 90s era, with what the guys were on, and let them emulate the look of the time,  AND THEN we'd see something unbelievable!!!
Take Dennis Wolf or Evan or Seth....etc.....and compare them to Lee Haney.....Lee wins every time......Lee in 91 would beat any of the guys today......period......t he bbers of today all have big guts and they all look the same......no shape whatsoever.


Title: Re: Lee Haney versus the current crop
Post by: ukjeff on September 18, 2012, 07:14:18 AM
Quote
t he bbers of today all have big guts and they all look the same
So by definition if Haney were competing today he would have the gut as well.


Title: Re: Lee Haney versus the current crop
Post by: wild willie on September 18, 2012, 07:21:37 AM
NO......NO.....NO......N O


Lee Haney....with his 1991 physique would beat these so called bbers of today.


Plain and simple........His physique would outclass these blokes that use synthol and insulin.


Haney would only use what he did back in 1991.


Title: Re: Lee Haney versus the current crop
Post by: Figo on September 18, 2012, 07:27:19 AM
NO......NO.....NO......N O


Lee Haney....with his 1991 physique would beat these so called bbers of today.


Plain and simple........His physique would outclass these blokes that use synthol and insulin.


Haney would only use what he did back in 1991.

Yes, but he would beat them in 1991, not today, because judging has changed, hence the current state of things.

But if you mean according to us fans as "judges", then of course, no doubt. The top 6 in 88 for example compared to current top 6 of abominations, no contest..


Title: Re: Lee Haney versus the current crop
Post by: wild willie on September 18, 2012, 07:55:47 AM
Figo.....


That is why I said we the fans.....should judge bbing shows.

The judges really have a warped sense of what bbers should look like.

You tell me anyone out there that thinks bbing is headed in the right direction today....and I will kiss your heiney.



Title: Re: Lee Haney versus the current crop
Post by: bigmikecox on September 18, 2012, 08:01:31 AM
Big Mike.....


I am saying that Lee would beat them without the gear these dudes are taking......Lee has that build....physique.....ph ysical harmony....whatever you want to call it......that would always outclass most everyone on stage. He had a back that was developed without the gear that these guys are on today.....that in my opinion is proof right there!!!!


Lee had a special look to him.....as did Paris and Labrada and Samir etc........the ifbb pros competing today just can't hang with that look......as I stated earlier.....these guys are coming in at 270 and heavier.....but not even close to the quality and class of King Haney.

Ask yourself this.......Put Lee or even Paris up against Branch or Wolf or Ruhl......My lord.....it isn't even a contest......It is like comparing a dump truck to a Porsche.


Oh, I totally agree with you. I was just saying how much better he would have looked with today's goodies.

I saw him 6 weeks before the 1990 Olympia and have NEVER seen anyone look like that. I was in awe. I was 16 at the time and had no idea a human could get THAT big and lean! He talked to me for a good ten minutes and was the most down to earth guy. At his best, he was amaziing!



Title: Re: Lee Haney versus the current crop
Post by: wild willie on September 18, 2012, 08:12:16 AM
Oh, I totally agree with you. I was just saying how much better he would have looked with today's goodies.

I saw him 6 weeks before the 1990 Olympia and have NEVER seen anyone look like that. I was in awe. I was 16 at the time and had no idea a human could get THAT big and lean! He talked to me for a good ten minutes and was the most down to earth guy. At his best, he was amaziing!


Yes indeed.....Lee Haney is a class act and a great rep for the sport.

I would want him to stay away from today's goodies.....and just do what he did back in the 80s and 90s...the insulin and synthol has no place in bbing.


Title: Re: Lee Haney versus the current crop
Post by: Figo on September 18, 2012, 08:24:59 AM
Figo.....


That is why I said we the fans.....should judge bbing shows.

The judges really have a warped sense of what bbers should look like.

You tell me anyone out there that thinks bbing is headed in the right direction today....and I will kiss your heiney.



Some kids might think that they look good

But you're 100% spot on IMO, why would anyone want to look like todays bbers


Title: Re: Lee Haney versus the current crop
Post by: ukjeff on September 18, 2012, 08:28:23 AM
 Bodies like Paris ,Labrada, Benfatto would get people looking in admiration, todays champs just get people laughing and ridiculing.

Bob talking a lot of sense (ahead of his time)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QGOo56IpSEY


Title: Re: Lee Haney versus the current crop
Post by: bigmikecox on September 18, 2012, 08:33:40 AM
Labrada's 1992 Olympia physique was so damn impressive. He was hard, dry and shredded.

BBing started to go downhill in 1993


Title: Re: Lee Haney versus the current crop
Post by: Big Chiro Flex on September 18, 2012, 09:35:52 AM
Bodies like Paris ,Labrada, Benfatto would get people looking in admiration, todays champs just get people laughing and ridiculing.

Bob talking a lot of sense (ahead of his time)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QGOo56IpSEY
AWESOME clip. Im a huge Paris fan. What's that clip from??


Title: Re: Lee Haney versus the current crop
Post by: crownshep on September 18, 2012, 10:27:07 AM
AWESOME clip. Im a huge Paris fan. What's that clip from??

Pretty sure it was from The Challengers video,i had this video way back in 1986.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SehxScznPu8


Title: Re: Lee Haney versus the current crop
Post by: dj181 on September 18, 2012, 12:01:41 PM
Bodies like Paris ,Labrada, Benfatto would get people looking in admiration, todays champs just get people laughing and ridiculing.

Bob talking a lot of sense (ahead of his time)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QGOo56IpSEY

so who's more handsome, paris or our own go4it?


Title: Re: Lee Haney versus the current crop
Post by: Mr Nobody on September 18, 2012, 05:58:03 PM
Lee was cool met him several times he judged some contest's I was in, and yes he was the last of the small waisted era before all this bullshit we have today. Pro BB has gotten ugly.


Title: Re: Lee Haney versus the current crop
Post by: kimo on September 19, 2012, 10:15:28 AM
strange all those threads to me . i saw lee haney in person and i was more or les impressed . yes a lot of quaality muscle . but his arms and calves were not matarazzo .. could say the same with arnold in top shape in the 70,s . some weaknesses too . evolution in bodybuilding means bigger and bigger more size . . . AND YET THERE IS MORE TO IT THAN  that ... maybe yes the waistline is not beautiful on todays  bodybuilders .


Title: Re: Lee Haney versus the current crop
Post by: quadzilla456 on September 19, 2012, 11:06:27 PM


Ask yourself this.......Put Lee or even Paris up against Branch or Wolf or Ruhl......My lord.....it isn't even a contest......It is like comparing a dump truck to a Porsche.


Are you fucking nuts? Dennis Wolf next to Haney is not the same as a dump truck next to a Porsche!

(http://www.flexonline.com/images/fl/209796/6263.jpg)

(http://images.t-nation.com/forum_images/auto/r/350x0/c/e/ce2e2-DW_BackJ.jpg)

(https://encrypted-tbn2.google.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTLtz5CSYqErrJDWYL-Uew3zqEJ2eZ-lz-ZFhssos5ePdIrn4VUEA)


Title: Re: Lee Haney versus the current crop
Post by: quadzilla456 on September 19, 2012, 11:09:26 PM
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-k1-29JHLtkc/TbRG-UI7OzI/AAAAAAAAIHw/VhpilWOrDg8/s1600/Dennis+Wolf+01.jpg)


Title: Re: Lee Haney versus the current crop
Post by: tbombz on September 19, 2012, 11:12:52 PM
I am not even sure Haney could qualify for the olympia these days. did he ever come in without a film of water and soft glutes ?


Title: Re: Lee Haney versus the current crop
Post by: OTHstrong on September 19, 2012, 11:14:51 PM
Big Mike.....


I am saying that Lee would beat them without the gear these dudes are taking......Lee has that build....physique.....ph ysical harmony....whatever you want to call it......that would always outclass most everyone on stage. He had a back that was developed without the gear that these guys are on today.....that in my opinion is proof right there!!!!


Lee had a special look to him.....as did Paris and Labrada and Samir etc........the ifbb pros competing today just can't hang with that look......as I stated earlier.....these guys are coming in at 270 and heavier.....but not even close to the quality and class of King Haney.

Ask yourself this.......Put Lee or even Paris up against Branch or Wolf or Ruhl......My lord.....it isn't even a contest......It is like comparing a dump truck to a Porsche.

Beat them in what? in a fan-base opinion? or what you mean is you think he looks better?.... Cause you can't possibly mean in a bodybuilding show, I mean I like Haney's physique way better then these nasty physiques today and Haney looked amazing but the judges today would not place Haney's physique on top, they simply wouldn't, that is common sense. But like BMC says if he took what today's pros take of course he would be on top.


Title: Re: Lee Haney versus the current crop
Post by: wild willie on September 20, 2012, 06:15:48 AM
Some of you blokes are confusing insulin size......with quality muscle size.....BIG DIFFERENCE!


AND YES......I STAND BY MY EARLIER STATEMENT......THESE BBERS TODAY ARE DUMP TRUCKS.....



LEE HANEY IS A PORSCHE!!!


Title: Re: Lee Haney versus the current crop
Post by: Jaime on September 20, 2012, 06:32:25 AM
Wolf and Beyeke look more aesthetic at their bests than Haney ever looked. And he would get outmassed under current scoring criteria. Rose tinted glasses.


Title: Re: Lee Haney versus the current crop
Post by: Grape Ape on September 20, 2012, 06:41:19 AM
I liked Haney, but his condition, legs, and arms would be exposed.


Title: Re: Lee Haney versus the current crop
Post by: kimo on September 20, 2012, 07:38:13 AM
after lee came dorian . then ronnie .. bigger and bigger ..


Title: Re: Lee Haney versus the current crop
Post by: Figo on September 20, 2012, 07:44:25 AM
Wolf and Beyeke look more aesthetic at their bests than Haney ever looked. And he would get outmassed under current scoring criteria. Rose tinted glasses.

Same goes for all mr olympias up to a 94 yates. In current times, with current standards, they wouldn't even turn pro

I believe wild willie is going at the comparison from a personal preference perspective, not onstage success


Title: Re: Lee Haney versus the current crop
Post by: POTA on September 20, 2012, 07:46:19 AM
after lee came dorian . then ronnie .. bigger and bigger ..
But after Ronnie came the current crop, who are smaller and smaller. The size game peaked in 2002/2003 with guys like Marcus, Gunter and Ronnie, who dwarf everyone on stage before and after.


Title: Re: Lee Haney versus the current crop
Post by: NarcissisticDeity on September 20, 2012, 07:50:57 AM
Wolf and Beyeke look more aesthetic at their bests than Haney ever looked. And he would get outmassed under current scoring criteria. Rose tinted glasses.

Nice assertion , now how about an explanation?


Title: Re: Lee Haney versus the current crop
Post by: Jaime on September 20, 2012, 07:53:15 AM
Same goes for all mr olympias up to a 94 yates. In current times, with current standards, they wouldn't even turn pro

I believe wild willie is going at the comparison from a personal preference perspective, not onstage success


True, But Haney was the mass monster of his era, Guys like Demay, Paris, Benfatto et cetera had prettier physiques, so to say lets take it back to Haney's day because he has better aesthetics is slightly off base because that isn't why he won.

But yeah he looked a lot better than a lot of the Olympia competitors.


Title: Re: Lee Haney versus the current crop
Post by: Figo on September 20, 2012, 08:03:34 AM

True, But Haney was the mass monster of his era, Guys like Demay, Paris, Benfatto et cetera had prettier physiques, so to say lets take it back to Haney's day because he has better aesthetics is slightly off base because that isn't why he won.

But yeah he looked a lot better than a lot of the Olympia competitors.
he looked better than any current guy IMO

Wild willie is obviously a haney fan, and yes he was definitely not as aesthetic as contemporaries such as paris, labrada, de mey, ray. But he was mr olympia, so top of the crop at the time

I'd venture to say, one guy that would do well nowadays, if he could dial it in, would be Phil Hill, what do you say ?


Title: Re: Lee Haney versus the current crop
Post by: The Abdominal Snoman on September 20, 2012, 08:10:33 AM
Would have been interesting to see what Shawn Ray would have looked like just one time if he added 25 pounds to his frame before retiring.


Title: Re: Lee Haney versus the current crop
Post by: NarcissisticDeity on September 20, 2012, 08:12:26 AM
Wolf is more aesthetic than Haney  ::)


Title: Re: Lee Haney versus the current crop
Post by: Jaime on September 20, 2012, 08:13:16 AM
he looked better than any current guy IMO

Wild willie is obviously a haney fan, and yes he was definitely not as aesthetic as contemporaries such as paris, labrada, de mey, ray. But he was mr olympia, so top of the crop at the time

I'd venture to say, one guy that would do well nowadays, if he could dial it in, would be Phil Hill, what do you say ?


I thought Phil had great shape, full muscle bellies. i think a lot of the guys from the eighties have better genetics than todays guys, if they used what they are using today, then i think they would be better under todays criteria.

Phil was a bit narrow so i'm not sure whether he could beat Heath though. ;D


Title: Re: Lee Haney versus the current crop
Post by: NarcissisticDeity on September 20, 2012, 08:13:55 AM
Would have been interesting to see what Shawn Ray would have looked like just one time if he added 25 pounds to his frame before retiring.
;D


Title: Re: Lee Haney versus the current crop
Post by: Jaime on September 20, 2012, 08:16:15 AM
Wolf is more aesthetic than Haney  ::)


Oh shit, ND with his selective pictures again.


Title: Re: Lee Haney versus the current crop
Post by: NarcissisticDeity on September 20, 2012, 08:19:56 AM

Oh shit, ND with his selective pictures again.

Oh shit you CAN NOT call Wolf more aesthetic than Haney when he looks 9 months pregnant , I dare you to find me a pic of Haney anywhere near that , it can't be done.

It's not aesthetic in ANY context of the word


Title: Re: Lee Haney versus the current crop
Post by: Jaime on September 20, 2012, 08:22:42 AM
Oh shit you CAN NOT call Wolf more aesthetic than Haney when he looks 9 months pregnant , I dare you to find me a pic of Haney anywhere near that , it can't be done.

It's not aesthetic in ANY context of the word


All modern pro's look like that after they have been pro a few years, i said at his best, which was around the time he turned pro and also at the 07 Olympia. You can find bad pictures of anyone.


Title: Re: Lee Haney versus the current crop
Post by: NarcissisticDeity on September 20, 2012, 08:28:24 AM

All modern pro's look like that after they have been pro a few years, i said at his best, which was around the time he turned pro and also at the 07 Olympia. You can find bad pictures of anyone.

So all modern pros look like that ? and ? find me a pic of Haney like that you can't. that gut is NOT aesthetic in any context of the word , so your assertion that Wolf is more aesthetic than Haney is false.



Title: Re: Lee Haney versus the current crop
Post by: Jaime on September 20, 2012, 08:32:55 AM
So all modern pros look like that ? and ? find me a pic of Haney like that you can't. that gut is NOT aesthetic in any context of the word , so your assertion that Wolf is more aesthetic than Haney is false.




His physique is not a constant, i don't see your point. Or shall we compare current day Haney to present day Wolf.

If i had said any version of Wolf i could understand your point, the reason why Wolf developed a stomach is because of modern judging criteria, Haney would too.


Title: Re: Lee Haney versus the current crop
Post by: NarcissisticDeity on September 20, 2012, 08:39:44 AM

His physique is not a constant, i don't see your point. Or shall we compare current day Haney to present day Wolf.

If i had said any version of Wolf i could understand your point, the reason why Wolf developed a stomach is because of modern judging criteria, Haney would too.

Wolf always had a gut , it's getting worse but it's always been there , Haney no

Yates , Momo , Lou , all had guts , Shawn Ray and Levrone never did , you can't say Haney would have had one


Title: Re: Lee Haney versus the current crop
Post by: Figo on September 20, 2012, 08:43:19 AM
Wolf always had a gut , it's getting worse but it's always been there , Haney no

Yates , Momo , Lou , all had guts , Shawn Ray and Levrone never did , you can't say Haney would have had one

You can't say he would've, but you can't. also say he wouldn't. Early Ronnie also didn't look gut-prone

Tim belknap had a bit of a gut


Title: Re: Lee Haney versus the current crop
Post by: NarcissisticDeity on September 20, 2012, 08:46:58 AM
You can't say he would've, but you can't. also say he wouldn't. Early Ronnie also didn't look gut-prone

Tim belknap had a bit of a gut

This is actually Ronnie 96 already starting to show  :-\


Title: Re: Lee Haney versus the current crop
Post by: Jaime on September 20, 2012, 08:48:39 AM
Wolf always had a gut , it's getting worse but it's always been there , Haney no

Yates , Momo , Lou , all had guts , Shawn Ray and Levrone never did , you can't say Haney would have had one


No he didn't always have a gut ffs lol. He developed it as he tried to pack on more and more mass, as the criteria dictates. Kevin had a distended stomach a few years and i think that Haney although having a small waist was set up that way too, you can see it in some of his pictures.

Personal opinion, Wolf at his best is a lot more aesthetic than Haney.


Title: Re: Lee Haney versus the current crop
Post by: bigmikecox on September 20, 2012, 09:25:20 AM
Oh shit you CAN NOT call Wolf more aesthetic than Haney when he looks 9 months pregnant , I dare you to find me a pic of Haney anywhere near that , it can't be done.

It's not aesthetic in ANY context of the word

Wolfe is doing a BDB. I look like a pregnant bitch when i do that pose. You are not focusing on keeping your abs tight.


Title: Re: Lee Haney versus the current crop
Post by: Figo on September 20, 2012, 10:30:20 AM
This is actually Ronnie 96 already starting to show  :-\

I mean 92 / 93 Ronnie

He was a big guy already. Some could have thought at the time that he'd reached his max. Would never say he'd be growing a gut.

The body is not made for that kind of mass. Momo was virtually square off-season, I'm not even exaggerating.
One that stands out for carrying a lot of size, and come contest time, always tight midsection is priest


Title: Re: Lee Haney versus the current crop
Post by: wild willie on September 20, 2012, 11:29:22 AM

True, But Haney was the mass monster of his era, Guys like Demay, Paris, Benfatto et cetera had prettier physiques, so to say lets take it back to Haney's day because he has better aesthetics is slightly off base because that isn't why he won.

But yeah he looked a lot better than a lot of the Olympia competitors.
Pound for pound.....Lee Haney and Samir Bannout had two of the best backs of all time.

Lee never had a gut.....always displayed a tight physique with a wasp waist and he had a very aesthetic body.


Title: Re: Lee Haney versus the current crop
Post by: Iceman1981 on September 20, 2012, 12:40:12 PM
This is actually Ronnie 96 already starting to show  :-\

Isn't that pic from the 1997 AC?


Title: Re: Lee Haney versus the current crop
Post by: NarcissisticDeity on September 20, 2012, 12:42:30 PM
Isn't that pic from the 1997 AC?

It might be , I thought it was 1996  ???


Title: Re: Lee Haney versus the current crop
Post by: The Abdominal Snoman on September 20, 2012, 12:46:19 PM
;D

lol


Title: Re: Lee Haney versus the current crop
Post by: tbombz on September 20, 2012, 12:50:36 PM
This is actually Ronnie 96 already starting to show  :-\
everybody has a gut. period. not just bodybuilders and not just bodybuilders on loads of gh and insulin eeating massive amounts of food and doing heavy squats and deadlifts.  its simply a matter of how much attention you give to keeping it tight all the time. even lee haney and even frank zane could let have their stomach relax and have a protruding little gut. and in 2005 when ronnie spent the year focusing on smaller food portions and wearing a tight lifting bbelt during every workout, his waist got significantly smaller and he didnt have much of any gut at all that year. in fact i think he was even able to do a bit of a vaccuum.


Title: Re: Lee Haney versus the current crop
Post by: NarcissisticDeity on September 20, 2012, 12:55:30 PM
everybody has a gut. period. not just bodybuilders and not just bodybuilders on loads of gh and insulin eeating massive amounts of food and doing heavy squats and deadlifts.  its simply a matter of how much attention you give to keeping it tight all the time. even lee haney and even frank zane could let have their stomach relax and have a protruding little gut. and in 2005 when ronnie spent the year focusing on smaller food portions and wearing a tight lifting bbelt during every workout, his waist got significantly smaller and he didnt have much of any gut at all that year. in fact i think he was even able to do a bit of a vaccuum.

Not true , you never seen one on Levrone , Ray , Flex , Priest , Melvin , Zane , Labrada , I could go on


Title: Re: Lee Haney versus the current crop
Post by: tbombz on September 20, 2012, 12:59:27 PM
you can see it on them in their workout videos at times.

the guys who can pull off a vaccuum are usually the guys who practice doing it. who walk around with their guts sucked in tight all day long. who are obsessed with that particular look of a sucked in abdomen.

the guys who have a big gut are usually the guys who walk around with their stomachs relaxed and slightly protruding all day long. who push their abs out when lifting heavy. who eat big portions and care about overall mass and not really aesthetics as much.

but even those guys who have a tiny little waist and a walk around with it sucked in all day long can relax the stomach and have the gut protrude.

and those guys who have a big gut can, over time, bring it back in.

not to say that this excuses having a big ole' gut, or diminishes having a wasp waist.  just to say that you cant take one shot of a guy with his stomach stuck out and totally dismiss his aesthetics because of it.


Title: Re: Lee Haney versus the current crop
Post by: Iceman1981 on September 20, 2012, 01:27:01 PM
It might be , I thought it was 1996  ???

Ronnie didn't take part at the 1996 AC. Also, the background looks the same as the 1997 AC.


Title: Re: Lee Haney versus the current crop
Post by: NeoSeminole on September 20, 2012, 01:53:03 PM
This is actually Ronnie 96 already starting to show

how long was Dorian a pro before he started to show? :-\


Title: Re: Lee Haney versus the current crop
Post by: NarcissisticDeity on September 20, 2012, 01:57:32 PM
how long was Dorian a pro before he started to show? :-\

Not long 93 so that would be 3 years

The first pro I ever recall having a noticeable gut was Momo


Title: Re: Lee Haney versus the current crop
Post by: OTHstrong on September 20, 2012, 01:59:03 PM
Some of you blokes are confusing insulin size......with quality muscle size.....BIG DIFFERENCE!


AND YES......I STAND BY MY EARLIER STATEMENT......THESE BBERS TODAY ARE DUMP TRUCKS.....



LEE HANEY IS A PORSCHE!!!
yes I agree but I don't understand what you said "he would beat the pros of today" please explain this.


Title: Re: Lee Haney versus the current crop
Post by: NarcissisticDeity on September 20, 2012, 02:03:54 PM
Ronnie didn't take part at the 1996 AC. Also, the background looks the same as the 1997 AC.

good catch


Title: Re: Lee Haney versus the current crop
Post by: bigmikecox on September 20, 2012, 02:31:53 PM
Not long 93 so that would be 3 years

The first pro I ever recall having a noticeable gut was Momo

Momo was an extremist! He had so much muscle. I saw walking around at the Arnold in 1992 and he was sooooo wide for such a shot guy. He had to be no taller than 5'3


Title: Re: Lee Haney versus the current crop
Post by: RocketSwitch625 on September 20, 2012, 02:49:27 PM
Momo was an extremist! He had so much muscle. I saw walking around at the Arnold in 1992 and he was sooooo wide for such a shot guy. He had to be no taller than 5'3

He was also one of the biggest drug users.


Title: Re: Lee Haney versus the current crop
Post by: Voice of Doom on September 20, 2012, 03:05:24 PM
A lot of people thinking they'll out argue ND........


Title: Re: Lee Haney versus the current crop
Post by: NarcissisticDeity on September 20, 2012, 03:07:16 PM
A lot of people thinking they'll out argue ND........

 ;D  8)  :P  :-X




Title: Re: Lee Haney versus the current crop
Post by: wild willie on September 20, 2012, 03:11:31 PM
yes I agree but I don't understand what you said "he would beat the pros of today" please explain this.
If you take his physique and put it up against anyone else.....he should win.


period....paragraph.  These other blokes are lab experiments that have gone wrong.

Lee had quality muscle.....not insulin muscle.....no synthol in his body.


The guys today are full of muscle tears.....synthol.....an d just look horrid......the true meaning of bbing is quality muscle with a small midsection......and not lumps and bumps......and bruises.

Lee wins out because of his polished and tapered physique.



Title: Re: Lee Haney versus the current crop
Post by: NarcissisticDeity on September 20, 2012, 03:16:05 PM
If you take his physique and put it up against anyone else.....he should win.


period....paragraph.  These other blokes are lab experiments that have gone wrong.

Lee had quality muscle.....not insulin muscle.....no synthol in his body.


The guys today are full of muscle tears.....synthol.....an d just look horrid......the true meaning of bbing is quality muscle with a small midsection......and not lumps and bumps......and bruises.

Lee wins out because of his polished and tapered physique.



Lee wouldn't win , he had to many flaws that he could get away with until Dorian , Lenda Murray was doing commentary on the 1991 Mr Olympia and said Dorian was like Haney only with legs. His quads were good but his hams and calves were way behind

I get your point out these guys being on another level drug wise but it is what it is, what would really be interesting is to compare these guys using only what Haney was doing and see where they would be. I like Haney one of my favorites and was the Mr Olympia when I first started lifting but he wouldn't be able to beat someone like Phil Heath or Ronnie Coleman , I recall Muscle & Fitness saying that Flex Wheeler would beat Haney and I think he would


Title: Re: Lee Haney versus the current crop
Post by: OTHstrong on September 20, 2012, 03:18:21 PM
If you take his physique and put it up against anyone else.....he should win.


period....paragraph.  These other blokes are lab experiments that have gone wrong.

Lee had quality muscle.....not insulin muscle.....no synthol in his body.


The guys today are full of muscle tears.....synthol.....an d just look horrid......the true meaning of bbing is quality muscle with a small midsection......and not lumps and bumps......and bruises.

Lee wins out because of his polished and tapered physique.


I see and I have mixed feelings about this but physiques without bellies are way better IMO. However we know the judges don't feel the same way.


Title: Re: Lee Haney versus the current crop
Post by: wild willie on September 20, 2012, 03:26:34 PM
Lee wouldn't win , he had to many flaws that he could get away with until Dorian , Lenda Murray was doing commentary on the 1991 Mr Olympia and said Dorian was like Haney only with legs. His quads were good but his hams and calves were way behind

I get your point out these guys being on another level drug wise but it is what it is, what would really be interesting is to compare these guys using only what Haney was doing and see where they would be. I like Haney one of my favorites and was the Mr Olympia when I first started lifting but he wouldn't be able to beat someone like Phil Heath or Ronnie Coleman , I recall Muscle & Fitness saying that Flex Wheeler would beat Haney and I think he would
Yes.....that is what I mean.....don't use the bull shit insulin and synthol.....just use deca....anavar....cyp... anadrol.


Title: Re: Lee Haney versus the current crop
Post by: wild willie on September 20, 2012, 03:30:31 PM
I said Lee versus the current crop......not Flex.....Flex has been done for years......but since you mention Flex.....he didn't have Haney's chest.....and his calves may have been implants.


Title: Re: Lee Haney versus the current crop
Post by: Wiggs on September 20, 2012, 03:30:34 PM
Good to see TotaLee Awesome Lee Haney getting alot more respect lately.  Carry on.


Title: Re: Lee Haney versus the current crop
Post by: tommywishbone on September 20, 2012, 03:33:41 PM
I said Lee versus the current crop......not Flex.....Flex has been done for years......but since you mention Flex.....he didn't have Haney's chest.....and his calves may have been implants.

not implants, just lots & lots of oil.


Title: Re: Lee Haney versus the current crop
Post by: wild willie on September 20, 2012, 03:51:04 PM
not implants, just lots & lots of oil.
LOL.....How have you been Tommy? You have to start your thread up again and start telling old tales from the Gold's Venice days.


Title: Re: Lee Haney versus the current crop
Post by: POTA on September 21, 2012, 11:27:39 AM
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=441333.0;attach=484957)
Show only from the neck down and don't put him next to anyone and Shawn looks nearly identical to Ronnie.


Title: Re: Lee Haney versus the current crop
Post by: kimo on January 15, 2013, 01:49:35 PM
better to compare lee and arnold . dorian trained differently than both . mentzerite ideas in yates.


Title: Re: Lee Haney versus the current crop
Post by: nicorulez on January 15, 2013, 03:01:00 PM
Lee wouldn't win , he had to many flaws that he could get away with until Dorian , Lenda Murray was doing commentary on the 1991 Mr Olympia and said Dorian was like Haney only with legs. His quads were good but his hams and calves were way behind

I get your point out these guys being on another level drug wise but it is what it is, what would really be interesting is to compare these guys using only what Haney was doing and see where they would be. I like Haney one of my favorites and was the Mr Olympia when I first started lifting but he wouldn't be able to beat someone like Phil Heath or Ronnie Coleman , I recall Muscle & Fitness saying that Flex Wheeler would beat Haney and I think he would

ND, unfortunately Dorian took an amazingly aesthetic and muscular physique from 1991/1992 and palumoboized himself with massive GH and insulin by 1993. In 1993, the GH gut was not readily evident as he was ripped like an African tiger, but by 1994 and years forward he was a caricature of ill repute. His muscularity was astounding, but the "it" factor he had in his earlier years was gone. 1993 Dorian is in my top two of all-time. Ronnie was undeniably bigger by a long shot, but 1993 DY would have been tough to beat. ;)


Title: Re: Lee Haney versus the current crop
Post by: prizm on January 15, 2013, 05:04:13 PM
(http://www.bodybuilding-pics.com/55/images/bertil_fox_photo165.jpg)
(http://www.bodybuilding-pics.com/55/images/bertil_fox_photo73.jpg)


Title: Re: Lee Haney versus the current crop
Post by: Archer77 on January 15, 2013, 05:16:38 PM
(http://www.flexonline.com/images/fl/209796/6263.jpg)

mister olympia here before gut and calf issues


What fuck happened?  His conditioned just deteriorated.


Title: Re: Lee Haney versus the current crop
Post by: BILL ANVIL on January 15, 2013, 05:44:58 PM
would he be bigger? no. would he be 'better', yes. ppl are forgetting what the purpose of a physique contest is.


Title: Re: Lee Haney versus the current crop
Post by: rudylrichards on January 15, 2013, 07:35:18 PM
Lee wouldn't win , he had to many flaws that he could get away with until Dorian , Lenda Murray was doing commentary on the 1991 Mr Olympia and said Dorian was like Haney only with legs. His quads were good but his hams and calves were way behind

it was Sue Price, not Lenda Murray. She also said Dorian looked like a baby next to Lee right before 2nd place was announced. Dorian had better hams & Calves than Lee and everyone he competed against. From the back, waist down Dorian was better, waist up Lee was better.


Title: Re: Lee Haney versus the current crop
Post by: Sherief Shalaby on January 15, 2013, 09:15:33 PM
Ronnie didn't take part at the 1996 AC. Also, the background looks the same as the 1997 AC.

nasser owns everyone in this pic ;D

back to the topic plz :P


Title: Re: Lee Haney versus the current crop
Post by: Figo on January 16, 2013, 12:47:59 AM


The first pro I ever recall having a noticeable gut was Momo

The guy was so wide, he was practically a square, at 5'2"

Belknap also had a bit of a gut, but momo's was more pronounced


Title: Re: Lee Haney versus the current crop
Post by: Figo on January 16, 2013, 12:50:43 AM
nasser owns everyone in this pic ;D

back to the topic plz :P
;D

Good line-up

Some are past their prime there, but some "names"

Vince taylor managed to look fantastic and hardly age in 20 yrs. And he was already 30 something when he turned pro! Some genetics...


Title: Re: Lee Haney versus the current crop
Post by: local hero on January 16, 2013, 02:39:37 AM
fucking old timers with rose tinted specs at it again,,,,,


haney would be crushed by heath..  lack of size and conditioning would realy hurt him,, poor arms and soft glutes ( no homo ) would be the nails in the coffin



Title: Re: Lee Haney versus the current crop
Post by: local hero on January 16, 2013, 02:53:55 AM
how could this place anywhere but behind either of these two ( even tho im no big kai fan )

also, his 'real' muscle would leave his frame just as fast as the 'fake' muscle on any of todays competiors soon as they stopped shooting up

pls dont think haney and co didnt abuse the fuck out of everything they could get there hands on, come on people, have a bit sence


Title: Re: Lee Haney versus the current crop
Post by: Figo on January 16, 2013, 03:00:14 AM
fucking old timers with rose tinted specs at it again,,,,,


haney would be crushed by heath..  lack of size and conditioning would realy hurt him,, poor arms and soft glutes ( no homo ) would be the nails in the coffin



Of course, things have changed, now one needs massive size, and conditioning that whilst doesn't  look "hard" is very sharp.

Haney wouldn't feature

But, take Heath to Haney's day, and he wouldn't turn pro. Structure, the ability to hold mass, the small waistline, unbelivable taper, massive torso.
With todays advances in chemical warfare, if Haney was competing with the current crop, he'd be unbeatable


Title: Re: Lee Haney versus the current crop
Post by: local hero on January 16, 2013, 03:05:03 AM
Of course, things have changed, now one needs massive size, and conditioning that whilst doesn't  look "hard" is very sharp.

Haney wouldn't feature

But, take Heath to Haney's day, and he wouldn't turn pro. Structure, the ability to hold mass, the small waistline, unbelivable taper, massive torso.
With todays advances in chemical warfare, if Haney was competing with the current crop, he'd be unbeatable

only thing different from now to then is slin and maybe higher gh usage( altho there were roumers that haney was no stranger to slin either?),,, everything else was used and abused to fuck


Title: Re: Lee Haney versus the current crop
Post by: Figo on January 16, 2013, 03:18:19 AM
only thing different from now to then is slin and maybe higher gh usage( altho there were roumers that haney was no stranger to slin either?),,, everything else was used and abused to fuck


Gh and slin were around in 80s

But they didn't know how much/how to yet, or they surely wouldve abused like todays guys

I agree it was exactly the same, abuse wise, but they didn't know the limits or boundaries yet. Current crop took it further

Plus seo. Delts and arms we see today are not possible without oil


Title: Re: Lee Haney versus the current crop
Post by: Sherief Shalaby on January 16, 2013, 04:38:55 AM
;D

Good line-up

Some are past their prime there, but some "names"

Vince taylor managed to look fantastic and hardly age in 20 yrs. And he was already 30 something when he turned pro! Some genetics...

sure man the line up included 6 different AC winners,.. wheeler, nasser, francois, ronnie, taylor, and, levrone..

in general all line ups of the olympia and the AC were strong in the 90s..


Title: Re: Lee Haney versus the current crop
Post by: Parker on January 16, 2013, 04:49:46 AM
Of course, things have changed, now one needs massive size, and conditioning that whilst doesn't  look "hard" is very sharp.

Haney wouldn't feature

But, take Heath to Haney's day, and he wouldn't turn pro. Structure, the ability to hold mass, the small waistline, unbelivable taper, massive torso.
With todays advances in chemical warfare, if Haney was competing with the current crop, he'd be unbeatable
would he still have arms too small for his torso, though?
Or would he bang em out?


Title: Re: Lee Haney versus the current crop
Post by: Ropo on January 16, 2013, 05:17:59 AM
This is actually Ronnie 96 already starting to show  :-\

In the background, Dillet look ready to die. Is this the competition, where Dillet invent planking?

(http://www.fitnesspont.hu/mass-shop/picture_gallery/Paul_Dillett/Dillett_014.jpg)


Title: Re: Lee Haney versus the current crop
Post by: Borracho on January 16, 2013, 05:18:55 AM
Bodies like Paris ,Labrada, Benfatto would get people looking in admiration, todays champs just get people laughing and ridiculing.

Bob talking a lot of sense (ahead of his time)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QGOo56IpSEY

That's an intelligent and well spoken man right there. An rarity in bbing...great clip.


Title: Re: Lee Haney versus the current crop
Post by: Palpatine Q on January 16, 2013, 05:33:17 AM
only thing different from now to then is slin and maybe higher gh usage( altho there were roumers that haney was no stranger to slin either?),,, everything else was used and abused to fuck


aside from Slin, one could argue they had better drugs back then. Pharmaceutical grade gear VS UG lab and Chinese GH....Dorian pointed this out in his interview.

And yes I agree with you, Haney would not beat the top pros. weak arms, hams and glutes, and nowhere near the mass.

Mixing eras is a stupid-ass argument


Title: Re: Lee Haney versus the current crop
Post by: Mayor Of Bodybuilding on January 16, 2013, 05:42:05 AM
Lee Haney Is the best Mr Olympia ever and the last one with a tight waist!


Title: Re: Lee Haney versus the current crop
Post by: Sherief Shalaby on January 16, 2013, 05:58:39 AM
imo lee haney "also arnold" deserved all their olympia titles unlike dorian and ronnie and he may be the best mr. olympia ever when considering the time of each winner but still no way to compare him to the best pros more than 20 years after his era.. it's like comparing the great bmw e30 of the 80s to the current f30..


Title: Re: Lee Haney versus the current crop
Post by: kimo on January 16, 2013, 06:25:16 AM
lee and arnold are closer in era than yates or guys of today . arnold too with thin thighs and weak forearms and wide waist was no perfect.


Title: Re: Lee Haney versus the current crop
Post by: Palpatine Q on January 16, 2013, 06:32:08 AM
Reverse the argument.

Put 2012 Phil Heath and kai Greene in the 91 Olympia and they destroy everyone including Haney...people would lose their minds and the size and definition.


Title: Re: Lee Haney versus the current crop
Post by: Grape Ape on January 16, 2013, 06:45:53 AM
Reverse the argument.

Put 2012 Phil Heath and kai Greene in the 91 Olympia and they destroy everyone including Haney...people would lose their minds and the size and definition.

 I was just going to respond to the guy above who said Kai/Phil in '91 wouldn't go pro.

You are absolutely correct.  People freaked the f out when Yates stepped on the scene.  It was something completey different than what they were used to, and it was rewared heavily.   Same thing would happen if it was Kai/Heath.

And I actually liked BB back then.  Haney was awesome.  But let's not kid ouselves that even Lee at his best would be lost on stage today.


Title: Re: Lee Haney versus the current crop
Post by: Figo on January 16, 2013, 07:24:54 AM
Reverse the argument.

Put 2012 Phil Heath and kai Greene in the 91 Olympia and they destroy everyone including Haney...people would lose their minds and the size and definition.

Of course they would, can't compare like you said

But

If you take them back in time, and all things being equal, would they look the same?


Title: Re: Lee Haney versus the current crop
Post by: Figo on January 16, 2013, 07:29:35 AM
I was just going to respond to the guy above who said Kai/Phil in '91 wouldn't go pro.

You are absolutely correct.  People freaked the f out when Yates stepped on the scene.  It was something completey different than what they were used to, and it was rewared heavily.   Same thing would happen if it was Kai/Heath.

And I actually liked BB back then.  Haney was awesome.  But let's not kid ouselves that even Lee at his best would be lost on stage today.

Haney at his best would not feature today, I agree

But, take kai/phill to 1988 or bring haney to 2013, and with an even playing field, the guy with the best structure, response and genes wins

Yes Haney had arms overshadowed by his torso, but now we have synthol, and new methods

Would kai or phil have delts and arms as big as their heads in the late 80s? I don't think so


Title: Re: Lee Haney versus the current crop
Post by: Palpatine Q on January 16, 2013, 07:34:45 AM
Of course they would, can't compare like you said

But

If you take them back in time, and all things being equal, would they look the same?

probably not...they would be smaller, but would have the better crispness that guys had pre-insulin abuse and using cleaner gear.

flip it yet again...LOL...Haney in today's day is bigger and has a gut like everyone else on today's drugs

if we are talking pure genetic base...    I think Kai and Haney are pretty evenly matched, Phil's shoulder width put's him a little behind, but he's more complete head to toe


Title: Re: Lee Haney versus the current crop
Post by: Figo on January 16, 2013, 07:39:57 AM
The best example of the evolution of a bber is Nasser

Sherief has the proof in pics

Nasser 1990/91 had the contemporary physique of the day, he then evolved in the Yates era, and further still in the Ronnie era.

In his early days, he was a big guy, almost at Albrecht size, maybe couldve brought up few things, but looked fairly complete

Later he evolved with more mass, huge legs, big delts and arms, much bigger

Later still, he developed the kind of delts and arms(along with corresponding mass elsewhere) that we are now accustomed to, but seemed impossible earlier in his career, I mean, he looked like he was done, complete, a big guy... Along with a huge lower body that's now common place, and he already had big legs initially, but now they became monstrous

If you think about it, Nasser is quite amazing in the way he evolved.
The same could've happened with Haney. If anyone had a structure for size, Haney did



Title: Re: Lee Haney versus the current crop
Post by: Grape Ape on January 16, 2013, 07:43:09 AM
Haney at his best would not feature today, I agree

But, take kai/phill to 1988 or bring haney to 2013, and with an even playing field, the guy with the best structure, response and genes wins

Yes Haney had arms overshadowed by his torso, but now we have synthol, and new methods

Would kai or phil have delts and arms as big as their heads in the late 80s? I don't think so

I misinterpreted your point.  I thought you were saying take 2012 Heath and drop him into that era.  You meant take Heath in that era with that era's caveats.   To that, I have no idea, because I can't say what Heath would look like - it's all speculation.


Title: Re: Lee Haney versus the current crop
Post by: BILL ANVIL on January 16, 2013, 09:19:34 PM
Reverse the argument.

Put 2012 Phil Heath and kai Greene in the 91 Olympia and they destroy everyone including Haney...people would lose their minds and the size and definition.

yes but that doesnt mean they'd look better. these guys off stage in clothes hardly even look like bodybuilders with waists wider than haney's shoulders.


Title: Re: Lee Haney versus the current crop
Post by: MCWAY on January 16, 2013, 10:16:45 PM
I will say that Lee Haney in prime condition.......ie 88, 89 and 91......90 was not his best showing....would absolutely devour any of the current fellas.....Branch.....Ph il....Dennis.....etc.

That type of physique will not be seen again......sadly!!!

The judges have ruined the sport and they are the real reason people are turned off.


I know I am not saying anything new here......but I just get so put off by the current system.

These guys today step on stage at over 270......but Lee at 230....had such lines and shape etc!!!!


Why would the sport that wants to be accepted so much......move in this direction.

Deplorable is the only word to describe the sport today.

My 2 cents.

Turned off!! When were the public at large ever "turned on" to bodybuilding in the first place?

As I've said multiple times before, this is nothing but the usual generational flap we get from bodybuilders from a certain era and their fans.

I GUARANTEE YOU, if you go back to the 1960s or 1970s, you'll hear folk from that era say THE EXACT SAME STUFF about Haney and his contemporaries that you're saying about Heath and the current crop:

Their guys would destroy the current crop; their guys trained harder; their guys had better personalities; bodybuilding was more accepted when THEY competed; they had more comraderie; blah, blah, blah, blah, blah!!!

I could dig up one of my muscle magazines from over 20 years ago and read those same words, almost verbatim (from bodybuilders who competed 30-40 years ago), about Haney, Yates, et. al.

You can respect the previous generations of bodybuilders without running down the current guys. There's room for both.


Title: Re: Lee Haney versus the current crop
Post by: Sherief Shalaby on January 16, 2013, 10:41:42 PM
Turned off!! When were the public at large ever "turned on" to bodybuilding in the first place?

As I've said multiple times before, this is nothing but the usual generational flap we get from bodybuilders from a certain era and their fans.

I GUARANTEE YOU, if you go back to the 1960s or 1970s, you'll hear folk from that era say THE EXACT SAME STUFF about Haney and his contemporaries that you're saying about Heath and the current crop:

Their guys would destroy the current crop; their guys trained harder; their guys had better personalities; bodybuilding was more accepted when THEY competed; they had more comraderie; blah, blah, blah, blah, blah!!!

I could dig up one of my muscle magazines from over 20 years ago and read those same words, almost verbatim (from bodybuilders who competed 30-40 years ago), about Haney, Yates, et. al.

You can respect the previous generations of bodybuilders without running down the current guys. There's room for both.

i agree with you BUT no one can deny that the popularity of the sport has come down now comparing to all the previous eras.. the main thing imo behind this is that now everyone looks at the pros as huge bags full of drugs.. many normal ppl now take drugs and know exactly what these pros take to look like this.. the internet has made everything known to everyone who wants to know.. so the wow factor is not as strong as before.. in the 70s for example or even the 80s if a pro. said he was natural many ppl would believe him and even those who wouldn't believe would still look at him as some supernatural god.. without the wow factor the sport has become boring..

another thing the net has made is that all the big contests have become available for free,.. you can watch mr. olympia on the YT after one day,.. you can watch for free all the training videos of all the pros... no need to buy bb magazines or contests and training tapes as in the 90s and the 80s.. when things are reached easily they are less interesting..


Title: Re: Lee Haney versus the current crop
Post by: Figo on January 17, 2013, 12:48:54 AM
i agree with you BUT no one can deny that the popularity of the sport has come down now comparing to all the previous eras.. the main thing imo behind this is that now everyone looks at the pros as huge bags full of drugs.. many normal ppl now take drugs and know exactly what these pros take to look like this.. the internet has made everything known to everyone who wants to know.. so the wow factor is not as strong as before.. in the 70s for example or even the 80s if a pro. said he was natural many ppl would believe him and even those who wouldn't believe would still look at him as some supernatural god.. without the wow factor the sport has become boring..

another thing the net has made is that all the big contests have become available for free,.. you can watch mr. olympia on the YT after one day,.. you can watch for free all the training videos of all the pros... no need to buy bb magazines or contests and training tapes as in the 90s and the 80s.. when things are reached easily they are less interesting..

Good post

Always a fringe sport, and yes nostalgia plays its part, IMO the 80s were great era, but like MCWAY said some people thought it "too much"

But there was more pizazz, magic, more of an event, perhaps due to no internet, but also the personalities, the feuds, the different looks. As has been said many times before, you could tell a bber apart by his shadow/silhouette. Now, maybe you can too, but not as distinctive.




Title: Re: Lee Haney versus the current crop
Post by: MCWAY on January 17, 2013, 07:43:17 AM
i agree with you BUT no one can deny that the popularity of the sport has come down now comparing to all the previous eras.. the main thing imo behind this is that now everyone looks at the pros as huge bags full of drugs.. many normal ppl now take drugs and know exactly what these pros take to look like this.. the internet has made everything known to everyone who wants to know.. so the wow factor is not as strong as before.. in the 70s for example or even the 80s if a pro. said he was natural many ppl would believe him and even those who wouldn't believe would still look at him as some supernatural god.. without the wow factor the sport has become boring..

Many normal people take drugs but STILL don't look like pro bodybuilders. Yet, they think that it's all about the syringe. Drugs alone do not a physique make; otherwise Phil Heaths and Branch Warrens would be as common as sand on the beach.

As it was in the past, bodybuilders get a bad rap, because their muscles are seen as useless. If you want to look at popularity as it were, look at the two biggest wrestlers in the industry. John Cena and the Rock. They're both HUGE men. But, their success is because (the nature of wrestling and Hollywood, notwithstanding), they actually do stuff with those big muscles of theirs.

Go back about 30 years, it explains how Hulk Hogan became a household name; whereas you could (relatively speaking) count on one hand the number of people who knew who Lee Haney was.



another thing the net has made is that all the big contests have become available for free,.. you can watch mr. olympia on the YT after one day,.. you can watch for free all the training videos of all the pros... no need to buy bb magazines or contests and training tapes as in the 90s and the 80s.. when things are reached easily they are less interesting..

I see that as a good thing. Think about it. Seeing bodybuilding contests the DAY THEY HAPPEN (or shortly thereafter) sure beats waiting 4-6 months afterwards, to catch uber-edited footage of a show on ESPN at 3 am.

Heck, when the WBF Championship was held on June 15, 1991, finding out the results a week later on WWF Superstars was considered revolutionary. There was no need to wait for "American Muscle" to air the footage in November or December.


I still buy magazines, even with today's technology. Sometimes, nothing compares to printed word and photograph, in terms of information.



Title: Re: Lee Haney versus the current crop
Post by: Cleanest Natural on January 17, 2013, 08:00:59 AM
Some of you forget that on stage is a projected illusion and size does not matter. The waist vs rest differential, joints, posing condition and presentation matter much more than size. It's an illusion.. So yes...on stage Lee would look better than Phil Heath or Kai .. Same way Arnold 75 would look MUCH better onstage than Philsulina. He would also look BIGGER.

(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_mC1TEdZ4gks/TC-4JY1oHxI/AAAAAAAAMSg/ANYQgxuXeqs/s1600/Lee+Haney+-+018+-+www.Musclebase.Blogspot.com.JPG)(http://www.culturism.ro/_pics/gallery/uf7hd65cz7.jpg)


Title: Re: Lee Haney versus the current crop
Post by: OTHstrong on January 17, 2013, 08:53:20 AM
i agree with you BUT no one can deny that the popularity of the sport has come down now comparing to all the previous eras.. the main thing imo behind this is that now everyone looks at the pros as huge bags full of drugs.. many normal ppl now take drugs and know exactly what these pros take to look like this.. the internet has made everything known to everyone who wants to know.. so the wow factor is not as strong as before.. in the 70s for example or even the 80s if a pro. said he was natural many ppl would believe him and even those who wouldn't believe would still look at him as some supernatural god.. without the wow factor the sport has become boring..

another thing the net has made is that all the big contests have become available for free,.. you can watch mr. olympia on the YT after one day,.. you can watch for free all the training videos of all the pros... no need to buy bb magazines or contests and training tapes as in the 90s and the 80s.. when things are reached easily they are less interesting..
I keep hearing this that the popularity for the sport has gone down. Well this statement is simply a FALSE STATEMENT and just not true.

I run the stage at shows since 2006 and work for many bodybuilding promotors and I have watched the competitor grow from 100 per show to 250 competitors in a level one show, the last one I staged had over 250 people and it was a nightmare, did not get out of there till past midnight.

Now you will not believe this but I ran the stage for another show in October and this show had every seat taken and people standing to it's fullest. Now get this there was no more room left for the audience, NON, sold out completely and the line up was 150 feet long going out the doors into the parking lot and all those people could not get in. They were pissed, some drove from 4+ hours and stayed at hotel so only to find out they can't watch the show cause it is sold out.

All shows are breaking record everywhere in the NPC and other countries, entry levels and ticket sales are insane. Local shows bring in a thousand people or more in the audience.

So I do not know where you come off saying  "BUT no one can deny that the popularity of the sport has come down now comparing to all the previous eras."  The popularity for bodybuilding and for the sport is at it's all time highest EVER. Never has it been this popular in recorded history, sorry bro but you are dead wrong, numbers don't lie. :)


Title: Re: Lee Haney versus the current crop
Post by: OneMoreRep on January 17, 2013, 09:03:47 AM
Never has it been this popular in recorded history, sorry bro but you are dead wrong, numbers don't lie. :)

I can vouch for the claim to the increase in numbers.

For instance, back in 2001, my husband and I would typically sponsor about 3-4 NPC competitors that were well on their way to nationals.

Today, we are the proud sponsors of 9 NPC competitors and continuously hold tryouts for new, upcoming talent around the time of the NY PRO.

The sport is growing, not necessarily as fast as I would want it to, but it's growing.

"1"


Title: Re: Lee Haney versus the current crop
Post by: OTHstrong on January 17, 2013, 09:16:22 AM
I can vouch for the claim to the increase in numbers.

For instance, back in 2001, my husband and I would typically sponsor about 3-4 NPC competitors that were well on their way to nationals.

Today, we are the proud sponsors of 9 NPC competitors and continuously hold tryouts for new, upcoming talent around the time of the NY PRO.

The sport is growing, not necessarily as fast as I would want it to, but it's growing.

"1"
Exactly.


Title: Re: Lee Haney versus the current crop
Post by: Sherief Shalaby on January 17, 2013, 10:28:19 AM
I keep hearing this that the popularity for the sport has gone down. Well this statement is simply a FALSE STATEMENT and just not true.

I run the stage at shows since 2006 and work for many bodybuilding promotors and I have watched the competitor grow from 100 per show to 250 competitors in a level one show, the last one I staged had over 250 people and it was a nightmare, did not get out of there till past midnight.

Now you will not believe this but I ran the stage for another show in October and this show had every seat taken and people standing to it's fullest. Now get this there was no more room left for the audience, NON, sold out completely and the line up was 150 feet long going out the doors into the parking lot and all those people could not get in. They were pissed, some drove from 4+ hours and stayed at hotel so only to find out they can't watch the show cause it is sold out.

All shows are breaking record everywhere in the NPC and other countries, entry levels and ticket sales are insane. Local shows bring in a thousand people or more in the audience.

So I do not know where you come off saying  "BUT no one can deny that the popularity of the sport has come down now comparing to all the previous eras."  The popularity for bodybuilding and for the sport is at it's all time highest EVER. Never has it been this popular in recorded history, sorry bro but you are dead wrong, numbers don't lie. :)

bro. so can you let me know why in the 90s each top pro. had a big fan base.. even till today dorian still has a lot of fans,.. nasser, wheeler, levrone all still have a lot of fans even after many years of retirement.. even here on GB you have a lot of dorian's ass lickers, ronnie's ass lickers, the respectable team nasser ;D... but you dont have team phil or team kai and these are the best 2 now.. and before them jay won the olympia 4 times but his popularity was never close to someone like wheeler who never won the olympia..

after ronnie i havent seen any pro. with a real big fan base.. and i think the problem is mainly in the fans who dont see things that exciting anymore.. in the 90s each of the top pros had his separate big fan base.. then by the 2nd half of ronnie's era it was only ronnie who had a real fan base,.. most of jay's fans were supporting him only because they didnt like ronnie's physique not because jay was that great.. then after ronnie's last victory "2005" i havent noticed anyone so popular..

as for mcway post i didnt say anyone who takes the same drugs will be the same level of phil.. sure the top pros have the best genetics in the world but i meant that the mentality of most of the fans have changed..


Title: Re: Lee Haney versus the current crop
Post by: Palpatine Q on January 17, 2013, 10:34:06 AM
bro. so can you let me know why in the 90s each top pro. had a big fan base.. even till today dorian still has a lot of fans,.. nasser, wheeler, levrone all still have a lot of fans even after many years of retirement.. even here on GB you have a lot of dorian's ass lickers, ronnie's ass lickers, the respectable team nasser ;D... but you dont have team phil or team kai and these are the best 2 now.. and before them jay won the olympia 4 times but his popularity was never close to someone like wheeler who never won the olympia..

after ronnie i havent seen any pro. with a real big fan base.. and i think the problem is mainly in the fans who dont see things that exciting anymore.. in the 90s each of the top pros had his separate big fan base.. then by the 2nd half of ronnie's era it was only ronnie who had a real fan base,.. most of jay's fans were supporting him only because they didnt like ronnie's physique not because jay was that great.. then after ronnie's last victory "2005" i havent noticed anyone so popular..

as for mcway post i didnt say anyone who takes the same drugs will be the same level of phil.. sure the top pros have the best genetics in the world but i meant that the mentality of most of the fans have changed..

They aren't as popular with YOU. so you think it's that way everywhere. I remember I was at a club and I was talking to the doorman, big, sauced up guy, about late twenties. the subject of BBing came up and he was all about Jay Cutler, greatest MR O, yada yada...It's the same old same old, whatever we grew up with is the best, most popular...etc.


Title: Re: Lee Haney versus the current crop
Post by: wild willie on January 17, 2013, 10:46:52 AM
Some of you forget that on stage is a projected illusion and size does not matter. The waist vs rest differential, joints, posing condition and presentation matter much more than size. It's an illusion.. So yes...on stage Lee would look better than Phil Heath or Kai .. Same way Arnold 75 would look MUCH better onstage than Philsulina. He would also look BIGGER.

(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_mC1TEdZ4gks/TC-4JY1oHxI/AAAAAAAAMSg/ANYQgxuXeqs/s1600/Lee+Haney+-+018+-+www.Musclebase.Blogspot.com.JPG)(http://www.culturism.ro/_pics/gallery/uf7hd65cz7.jpg)
cleanest natural gets it!!!!


thank you sir....for the pictures of King Lee!!! He looks like a true champion.


guys....read what cleanest natural is saying......i fully agree with his post. hopefully..... many years from now......when someone is talking about bbing.....i want them to look at pics that display the physiques that truly represent bbing in a positive light......pics of haney, benfatto, labrada, samir, baldwin, makkawy, etc.


Title: Re: Lee Haney versus the current crop
Post by: wild willie on January 17, 2013, 10:52:31 AM
Turned off!! When were the public at large ever "turned on" to bodybuilding in the first place?

As I've said multiple times before, this is nothing but the usual generational flap we get from bodybuilders from a certain era and their fans.

I GUARANTEE YOU, if you go back to the 1960s or 1970s, you'll hear folk from that era say THE EXACT SAME STUFF about Haney and his contemporaries that you're saying about Heath and the current crop:

Their guys would destroy the current crop; their guys trained harder; their guys had better personalities; bodybuilding was more accepted when THEY competed; they had more comraderie; blah, blah, blah, blah, blah!!!

I could dig up one of my muscle magazines from over 20 years ago and read those same words, almost verbatim (from bodybuilders who competed 30-40 years ago), about Haney, Yates, et. al.

You can respect the previous generations of bodybuilders without running down the current guys. There's room for both.
Mcway.......you tell me......do you think bbing had more fans when arnold and lee were around? do you think bbing as we know it today has more fans......most people i interact with.....are turned off with what they look @ today!


Title: Re: Lee Haney versus the current crop
Post by: closeline on January 17, 2013, 10:56:10 AM
Yes, but he would beat them in 1991, not today, because judging has changed, hence the current state of things.

But if you mean according to us fans as "judges", then of course, no doubt. The top 6 in 88 for example compared to current top 6 of abominations, no contest..


Yes , it all depends on blowjob abilities in 2013, not Bodybuilding criterias


Title: Re: Lee Haney versus the current crop
Post by: SilverSpoon on January 17, 2013, 10:58:33 AM
Jeff King on today's stack...

Frightening.


Title: Re: Lee Haney versus the current crop
Post by: Sherief Shalaby on January 17, 2013, 11:09:13 AM
They aren't as popular with YOU. so you think it's that way everywhere. I remember I was at a club and I was talking to the doorman, big, sauced up guy, about late twenties. the subject of BBing came up and he was all about Jay Cutler, greatest MR O, yada yada...It's the same old same old, whatever we grew up with is the best, most popular...etc.

why there are A LOT of ronnie's and dorian's and nasser's supporters on GB although they retired many years ago and there aren't many fans of jay or phil the 2 guys who won the last few olympias??.. GB is a true representative of all bb fans,.. you have here guys from every place in the world and from all generations..


Title: Re: Lee Haney versus the current crop
Post by: rudylrichards on January 17, 2013, 12:31:34 PM
why there are A LOT of ronnie's and dorian's and nasser's supporters on GB although they retired many years ago and there aren't many fans of jay or phil the 2 guys who won the last few olympias??.. GB is a true representative of all bb fans,.. you have here guys from every place in the world and from all generations..
that's the way it's always been. Guys are hated during their reign then appreciated after they retire. No one got more hate than Ronnie, Dorian & Haney (& especially Nasser) when they were the Mr O, pretty much the same way Jay & Dexter were being hated on a few yrs ago & like Phil's being hated on now.

A few yrs from now after Phil & Jay are gone, people will be talking about how great they were & how the new crop sucks. Human nature


Title: Re: Lee Haney versus the current crop
Post by: Sherief Shalaby on January 17, 2013, 12:48:09 PM
that's the way it's always been. Guys are hated during their reign then appreciated after they retire. No one got more hate than Ronnie, Dorian & Haney (& especially Nasser) when they were the Mr O, pretty much the same way Jay & Dexter were being hated on a few yrs ago & like Phil's being hated on now.

A few yrs from now after Phil & Jay are gone, people will be talking about how great they were & how the new crop sucks. Human nature

no at all.. all the top pros of the 90s gained their popularity very early in their career.. dorian was hated by some till 92 but then after his amazing shape in 93 everyone considered him a turning point in the history of the sport.. wheeler amazed everybody in 93.. same with levron in 92.. as for nasser in the mid 90s his popularity was compared only with dorian's.. and in 98 everybody accepted ronnie as the new mr. olympia and since then he has gained a huge fan base which is still there..


Title: Re: Lee Haney versus the current crop
Post by: rudylrichards on January 17, 2013, 01:23:27 PM
no at all.. all the top pros of the 90s gained their popularity very early in their career.. dorian was hated by some till 92 but then after his amazing shape in 93 everyone considered him a turning point in the history of the sport.. wheeler amazed everybody in 93.. same with levron in 92.. as for nasser in the mid 90s his popularity was compared only with dorian's.. and in 98 everybody accepted ronnie as the new mr. olympia and since then he has gained a huge fan base which is still there..
there's no dispute on Wheeler, Levrone or Shawn. You've forgotten about 2001 when everyone would post the pic of Ronnie with his distended stomach. Shawn & Kevin were vocal against Ronnie winning in 98. Nasser took a lot of crap for beating Cormier in the ASC, I forgot what yr. Nasser & Dorian took alot of crap for having distended stomachs. I could go on


Title: Re: Lee Haney versus the current crop
Post by: BILL ANVIL on January 17, 2013, 03:48:48 PM
Some of you forget that on stage is a projected illusion and size does not matter. The waist vs rest differential, joints, posing condition and presentation matter much more than size. It's an illusion.. So yes...on stage Lee would look better than Phil Heath or Kai .. Same way Arnold 75 would look MUCH better onstage than Philsulina. He would also look BIGGER.

(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_mC1TEdZ4gks/TC-4JY1oHxI/AAAAAAAAMSg/ANYQgxuXeqs/s1600/Lee+Haney+-+018+-+www.Musclebase.Blogspot.com.JPG)(http://www.culturism.ro/_pics/gallery/uf7hd65cz7.jpg)

exactly. i dont think bodyweight means as much as people think it does


Title: Re: Lee Haney versus the current crop
Post by: Sherief Shalaby on January 17, 2013, 07:29:07 PM
there's no dispute on Wheeler, Levrone or Shawn. You've forgotten about 2001 when everyone would post the pic of Ronnie with his distended stomach. Shawn & Kevin were vocal against Ronnie winning in 98. Nasser took a lot of crap for beating Cormier in the ASC, I forgot what yr. Nasser & Dorian took alot of crap for having distended stomachs. I could go on

we are talking about 2 different things.. i didnt say the top guys of the 90s were perfect or were accepted and liked by everyone,.. i am just saying that the fan base of each of them was much bigger than today's pros and this shows the sport has not become as interesting as before..


Title: Re: Lee Haney versus the current crop
Post by: mesmorph78 on January 17, 2013, 07:41:16 PM
exactly. i dont think bodyweight means as much as people think it does
Key post
And lee wins


Title: Re: Lee Haney versus the current crop
Post by: MCWAY on January 17, 2013, 07:47:36 PM
there's no dispute on Wheeler, Levrone or Shawn. You've forgotten about 2001 when everyone would post the pic of Ronnie with his distended stomach. Shawn & Kevin were vocal against Ronnie winning in 98. Nasser took a lot of crap for beating Cormier in the ASC, I forgot what yr. Nasser & Dorian took alot of crap for having distended stomachs. I could go on

Nasser won the ASC in 1999, with Flex out of the competition.


Title: Re: Lee Haney versus the current crop
Post by: Sherief Shalaby on January 17, 2013, 07:57:33 PM
Nasser won the ASC in 1999, with Flex out of the competition.

lol and flex won all his ACs with dorian and ronnie out ::)


Title: Re: Lee Haney versus the current crop
Post by: rudylrichards on January 17, 2013, 08:10:43 PM
we are talking about 2 different things.. i didnt say the top guys of the 90s were perfect or were accepted and liked by everyone,.. i am just saying that the fan base of each of them was much bigger than today's pros and this shows the sport has not become as interesting as before..
ok. I can agree with that. The 90's was the best era in BBing. You had 8-10 guy who would've been top 2 or 3 in any other era. Each guy had a different look & each look garnered its own fan base. 


Title: Re: Lee Haney versus the current crop
Post by: OTHstrong on January 17, 2013, 08:13:10 PM
bro. so can you let me know why in the 90s each top pro. had a big fan base.. even till today dorian still has a lot of fans,.. nasser, wheeler, levrone all still have a lot of fans even after many years of retirement.. even here on GB you have a lot of dorian's ass lickers, ronnie's ass lickers, the respectable team nasser ;D... but you dont have team phil or team kai and these are the best 2 now.. and before them jay won the olympia 4 times but his popularity was never close to someone like wheeler who never won the olympia..

after ronnie i havent seen any pro. with a real big fan base.. and i think the problem is mainly in the fans who dont see things that exciting anymore.. in the 90s each of the top pros had his separate big fan base.. then by the 2nd half of ronnie's era it was only ronnie who had a real fan base,.. most of jay's fans were supporting him only because they didnt like ronnie's physique not because jay was that great.. then after ronnie's last victory "2005" i havent noticed anyone so popular..

as for mcway post i didnt say anyone who takes the same drugs will be the same level of phil.. sure the top pros have the best genetics in the world but i meant that the mentality of most of the fans have changed..
Bro you are judging based on a forum,let me explain something about getbig bro; 

getbig has enormous traffic but it's a forum and like it or not but 100 getbig forums do not compare to the traffic of people reading the magazines each month, YES you read that correctly bro, the magazines still have millions of readers and still got out in multiple languages and dozens of countries bro, sorry but getbig traffic is peanuts. Now try and understand this getbig does not believe in what the mainstream believes, I mean half of the reader from magazines don't even think some of these guys are juiced.

Also the hardcore fan like us is always praising one generation behind hence all the talk about Wheeler, Cormier, Levrone, Nasser, Ray, etc etc.

But make no mistake bro, trust me I go to all the expos, Non of the 90's guys will yield the line ups Phil or Cutler will bring in, not even Ronnie, not even Yates, not even Wheeler, sorry bro but go see for yourself, Phil's line up is fucken monstrous and raps around the expo, waiting is like 30 min at least bro and goes on for hours like this.  Kai, Wolf, Branch, Dexter all yield enormous line ups as well but Phil is king.

Bodybuilding is huge now, the crowds are bigger, the competitors are more and everyone wants to compete nowadays.


Title: Re: Lee Haney versus the current crop
Post by: Sherief Shalaby on January 17, 2013, 08:41:45 PM
ok. I can agree with that. The 90's was the best era in BBing. You had 8-10 guy who would've been top 2 or 3 in any other era. Each guy had a different look & each look garnered its own fan base. 

this is exactly what i was saying and what the creator of the thread meant to show..


Title: Re: Lee Haney versus the current crop
Post by: Sherief Shalaby on January 17, 2013, 08:55:25 PM
Bro you are judging based on a forum,let me explain something about getbig bro; 

getbig has enormous traffic but it's a forum and like it or not but 100 getbig forums do not compare to the traffic of people reading the magazines each month, YES you read that correctly bro, the magazines still have millions of readers and still got out in multiple languages and dozens of countries bro, sorry but getbig traffic is peanuts. Now try and understand this getbig does not believe in what the mainstream believes, I mean half of the reader from magazines don't even think some of these guys are juiced.

Also the hardcore fan like us is always praising one generation behind hence all the talk about Wheeler, Cormier, Levrone, Nasser, Ray, etc etc.

But make no mistake bro, trust me I go to all the expos, Non of the 90's guys will yield the line ups Phil or Cutler will bring in, not even Ronnie, not even Yates, not even Wheeler, sorry bro but go see for yourself, Phil's line up is fucken monstrous and raps around the expo, waiting is like 30 min at least bro and goes on for hours like this.  Kai, Wolf, Branch, Dexter all yield enormous line ups as well but Phil is king.

Bodybuilding is huge now, the crowds are bigger, the competitors are more and everyone wants to compete nowadays.

i was believing you till i read the word "branch" hahha ;D

i believe you the numbers of the audiences at contests are more because more ppl now train and more of these ppl now take drugs.. but i think and i may be wrong the mentality of the fans have changed after being more educated by the net.. you see this line waiting for phil only because he is the current mr. olympia,.. the exact same line will be in front of kai if he wins the olympia.. you dont have real supporters as in the past and again i may be wrong..

to revive the sport you need another dominant champ like haney or dorian or ronnie.. you dont have this now.. we are now in a waiting phase till a dominant champ appears,.. reminds me of the early 80s,.. the few years before haney's era.. still even if a dominant champ comes i dont see things will be as before because the fans dont think the same as before and again i may be wrong.. but sure this "dominant champ" will make the sport more interesting..


Title: Re: Lee Haney versus the current crop
Post by: OTHstrong on January 17, 2013, 10:05:50 PM
i was believing you till i read the word "branch" hahha ;D

i believe you the numbers of the audiences at contests are more because more ppl now train and more of these ppl now take drugs.. but i think and i may be wrong the mentality of the fans have changed after being more educated by the net.. you see this line waiting for phil only because he is the current mr. olympia,.. the exact same line will be in front of kai if he wins the olympia.. you dont have real supporters as in the past and again i may be wrong..

to revive the sport you need another dominant champ like haney or dorian or ronnie.. you dont have this now.. we are now in a waiting phase till a dominant champ appears,.. reminds me of the early 80s,.. the few years before haney's era.. still even if a dominant champ comes i dont see things will be as before because the fans dont think the same as before and again i may be wrong.. but sure this "dominant champ" will make the sport more interesting..
Actually you are right, good post and LMAO about Branch, lol  :D


Title: Re: Lee Haney versus the current crop
Post by: mesmorph78 on January 17, 2013, 10:09:12 PM
Bro you are judging based on a forum,let me explain something about getbig bro; 

getbig has enormous traffic but it's a forum and like it or not but 100 getbig forums do not compare to the traffic of people reading the magazines each month, YES you read that correctly bro, the magazines still have millions of readers and still got out in multiple languages and dozens of countries bro, sorry but getbig traffic is peanuts. Now try and understand this getbig does not believe in what the mainstream believes, I mean half of the reader from magazines don't even think some of these guys are juiced.

Also the hardcore fan like us is always praising one generation behind hence all the talk about Wheeler, Cormier, Levrone, Nasser, Ray, etc etc.

But make no mistake bro, trust me I go to all the expos, Non of the 90's guys will yield the line ups Phil or Cutler will bring in, not even Ronnie, not even Yates, not even Wheeler, sorry bro but go see for yourself, Phil's line up is fucken monstrous and raps around the expo, waiting is like 30 min at least bro and goes on for hours like this.  Kai, Wolf, Branch, Dexter all yield enormous line ups as well but Phil is king.

Bodybuilding is huge now, the crowds are bigger, the competitors are more and everyone wants to compete nowadays.

Went to an expo with Heath Coleman etc in attendance
Ronnie had the longest line actually his line never went away


Title: Re: Lee Haney versus the current crop
Post by: OTHstrong on January 17, 2013, 11:00:45 PM
Went to an expo with Heath Coleman etc in attendance
Ronnie had the longest line actually his line never went away

NOPE not at the ARNOLD an NOPE not at the Toronto Super show, Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay shorter, actually not even comparable.


Title: Re: Lee Haney versus the current crop
Post by: rudylrichards on January 18, 2013, 04:56:38 AM
Bro you are judging based on a forum,let me explain something about getbig bro; 

getbig has enormous traffic but it's a forum and like it or not but 100 getbig forums do not compare to the traffic of people reading the magazines each month, YES you read that correctly bro, the magazines still have millions of readers and still got out in multiple languages and dozens of countries bro, sorry but getbig traffic is peanuts. Now try and understand this getbig does not believe in what the mainstream believes, I mean half of the reader from magazines don't even think some of these guys are juiced.

Also the hardcore fan like us is always praising one generation behind hence all the talk about Wheeler, Cormier, Levrone, Nasser, Ray, etc etc.

But make no mistake bro, trust me I go to all the expos, Non of the 90's guys will yield the line ups Phil or Cutler will bring in, not even Ronnie, not even Yates, not even Wheeler, sorry bro but go see for yourself, Phil's line up is fucken monstrous and raps around the expo, waiting is like 30 min at least bro and goes on for hours like this.  Kai, Wolf, Branch, Dexter all yield enormous line ups as well but Phil is king.

Bodybuilding is huge now, the crowds are bigger, the competitors are more and everyone wants to compete nowadays.
best post on this topic.  Except Ronnie & Haney still draws huge lines. Those two along with Arnold & Lou are as popular or even more so than the current guys.

To add to your point about the Getbig & the rest of the bodybuilding community. People here knock Branch, he's extremely popular, a fan favorite everywhere else. I think most ppl who go to shows also train & can appreciate the hard work it takes to build his physique. He's not the most aesthetic but there's nothing he can do about that, u can only work with what you have. The same way Haney didn't train smarter or juice less to have that tiny waist, that's the way he was born. His parents combined to give him almost the perfect genetics for bodybuilding


Title: Re: Lee Haney versus the current crop
Post by: Jon Harridan on January 18, 2013, 05:19:21 AM
best post on this topic.  Except Ronnie & Haney still draws huge lines. Those two along with Arnold & Lou are as popular or even more so than the current guys.

To add to your point about the Getbig & the rest of the bodybuilding community. People here knock Branch, he's extremely popular, a fan favorite everywhere else. I think most ppl who go to shows also train & can appreciate the hard work it takes to build his physique. He's not the most aesthetic but there's nothing he can do about that, u can only work with what you have. The same way Haney didn't train smarter or juice less to have that tiny waist, that's the way he was born. His parents combined to give him almost the perfect genetics for bodybuilding

Rudy, I watched Darrem and Melvin pose. They do NOT know how to pose like Abdul Halim does; they just pose in a more ordinary, bland style with conventional transitions. I'll tell you how Melvin and Darrem pose, like this fellow below. Again, just because he can dance doesn't make him a good POSER. That only makes him a good ENTERTAINER and not necessarily a good POSER, and the same applies to Melvin and Darrem. And folk call them the best posers in history??? What a joke man.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dbqXSEH68vk


Title: Re: Lee Haney versus the current crop
Post by: rudylrichards on January 18, 2013, 05:34:14 AM
Rudy, I watched Darrem and Melvin pose. They do NOT know how to pose like Abdul Halim does; they just pose in a more ordinary, bland style with conventional transitions. I'll tell you how Melvin and Darrem pose, like this fellow below. Again, just because he can dance doesn't make him a good POSER. That only makes him a good ENTERTAINER and not necessarily a good POSER, and the same applies to Melvin and Darrem. And folk call them the best posers in history??? What a joke man.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dbqXSEH68vk
Good routine but definitely a poor mans version of Melvin or Darrem when it comes to posing. Never posted a link here before so I hope this works. http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=OGHoULQzx_c. The 1st 2:30 is classic posing.


Title: Re: Lee Haney versus the current crop
Post by: Jon Harridan on January 18, 2013, 06:02:38 AM
Good routine but definitely a poor mans version of Melvin or Darrem when it comes to posing. Never posted a link here before so I hope this works. http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=OGHoULQzx_c. The 1st 2:30 is classic posing.

A poor man's version of Melvin or Darrem? I thought the dude can dance for real? You sure have high standards when it comes to grooving. Here's another one from the year before when he won the Nationals. By the way the link you posted isn't working.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9uEGK6StSbg



Title: Re: Lee Haney versus the current crop
Post by: Figo on January 18, 2013, 06:57:00 AM
Nasser...nasser...nasser ...nasser...nasser

Nasser

Nasser, nasser

Nasser!



Title: Re: Lee Haney versus the current crop
Post by: rudylrichards on January 18, 2013, 07:07:10 AM
A poor man's version of Melvin or Darrem? I thought the dude can dance for real? You sure have high standards when it comes to grooving. Here's another one from the year before when he won the Nationals. By the way the link you posted isn't working.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9uEGK6StSbg


its from the 2005 Ironman. The 1st 2:30 he displayed very classic posing. At the 2:40 mark he started dancing. Not saying the guy u posted didn't do a good job. I'm saying he's not in Melvin's league. Look at his dancing & compare it to this guy.


Title: Re: Lee Haney versus the current crop
Post by: wild willie on January 18, 2013, 08:11:33 AM
best post on this topic.  Except Ronnie & Haney still draws huge lines. Those two along with Arnold & Lou are as popular or even more so than the current guys.

To add to your point about the Getbig & the rest of the bodybuilding community. People here knock Branch, he's extremely popular, a fan favorite everywhere else. I think most ppl who go to shows also train & can appreciate the hard work it takes to build his physique. He's not the most aesthetic but there's nothing he can do about that, u can only work with what you have. The same way Haney didn't train smarter or juice less to have that tiny waist, that's the way he was born. His parents combined to give him almost the perfect genetics for bodybuilding
HANEY WAS VERY INTELLIGENT ABOUT HIS TRAINING......HE WAS NOT AN EGO TRAINER......DIDN'T TEAR ANY MUSCLES OR SUFFER ANY SERIOUS INJURIES LIKE YATES AND COMPANY......ONE MORE THING......LEE HANEY IS PROBABLY THE BEST REPRESENTATIVE BODYBUILDING HAS EVER HAD. THE YOUNG GUYS MIGHT NOT KNOW MUCH ABOUT HIM......BUT BODYBUILDING FANS STILL RESPECT LEE AND WHAT HE STOOD FOR.

LEE DID TRAIN SMARTER......HE JUICED.....BUT DIDN'T GO OVERBOARD WITH THE GEAR.


Title: Re: Lee Haney versus the current crop
Post by: rudylrichards on January 18, 2013, 08:34:56 AM
HANEY WAS VERY INTELLIGENT ABOUT HIS TRAINING......HE WAS NOT AN EGO TRAINER......DIDN'T TEAR ANY MUSCLES OR SUFFER ANY SERIOUS INJURIES LIKE YATES AND COMPANY......ONE MORE THING......LEE HANEY IS PROBABLY THE BEST REPRESENTATIVE BODYBUILDING HAS EVER HAD. THE YOUNG GUYS MIGHT NOT KNOW MUCH ABOUT HIM......BUT BODYBUILDING FANS STILL RESPECT LEE AND WHAT HE STOOD FOR.

LEE DID TRAIN SMARTER......HE JUICED.....BUT DIDN'T GO OVERBOARD WITH THE GEAR.
I'm as big a fan of Haney as anyone. My favorite bodybuilder, but I don't think it's fair to imply that Dorian & company didn't train smart. They weren't blessed with the lines & shape of Haney. Haney was a genetic freak, super wide shoulders, tiny waist, incredible shape & symmetry. Dorian & company's gift was size. Dorian had to be bigger, thicker, more dense to be # 1 at the time. If he was the same size as Haney, Flex, Shawn, Levrone etc he'd lose. He had to train that way to be bigger than everyone.
As far as the gear is concerned, you're saying the top guy in the sport who was the biggest thing anyone had seen at the time wasn't doing all that was available & what everyone else was doing? 


Title: Re: Lee Haney versus the current crop
Post by: wild willie on January 18, 2013, 09:00:22 AM
I'm as big a fan of Haney as anyone. My favorite bodybuilder, but I don't think it's fair to imply that Dorian & company didn't train smart. They weren't blessed with the lines & shape of Haney. Haney was a genetic freak, super wide shoulders, tiny waist, incredible shape & symmetry. Dorian & company's gift was size. Dorian had to be bigger, thicker, more dense to be # 1 at the time. If he was the same size as Haney, Flex, Shawn, Levrone etc he'd lose. He had to train that way to be bigger than everyone.
As far as the gear is concerned, you're saying the top guy in the sport who was the biggest thing anyone had seen at the time wasn't doing all that was available & what everyone else was doing?  
all i am saying is that haney didn't go overboard on the sauce.......he always trained with moderate poundages and therefore was never injured....i spent some time with gaspari in the mid 90s......total a hole by the way, anyhow, he mentioned that lee was not reckless with the gear, and said that he would never make a comeback, due to the fact that the new guys were using more than he wished to use.


sure he sauced.....just saying he wasn't abusing like some would think.


regardless, the guy is, was, and always will be, highly thought of by most,if not all fans of bbing.



Title: Re: Lee Haney versus the current crop
Post by: Jon Harridan on January 18, 2013, 09:09:34 AM
This guy sauced too and was rewarded by getting on the cover of no less than Flex.


Title: Re: Lee Haney versus the current crop
Post by: rudylrichards on January 18, 2013, 09:20:35 AM
Jon, that's not a real cover is it? I've seen it before but assumed it was shopped.

Willie, u r correct, I remember Mike Christian saying he hated training with Lee because you couldn't push him. Haney would say leave one (rep) for the rack.

The most amazing thing about lee is that he retired at 32, the same age Dorian & Ronnie won their 1st Olympia. He definitely could've won another 4-8 if he wanted to push it.


Title: Re: Lee Haney versus the current crop
Post by: wild willie on January 18, 2013, 09:25:52 AM
Jon, that's not a real cover is it? I've seen it before but assumed it was shopped.

Willie, u r correct, I remember Mike Christian saying he hated training with Lee because you couldn't push him. Haney would say leave one (rep) for the rack.

The most amazing thing about lee is that he retired at 32, the same age Dorian & Ronnie won their 1st Olympia. He definitely could've won another 4-8 if he wanted to push it.
mike christian was a fine bber.....but talked a good game....while lee played a good game.....lee won 8 sandows.....don't get me wrong...christian was awesome.....i sense a little sarcasm in your post. christian was known to day dream while training.


Title: Re: Lee Haney versus the current crop
Post by: rudylrichards on January 18, 2013, 09:31:24 AM
mike christian was a fine bber.....but talked a good game....while lee played a good game.....lee won 8 sandows.....don't get me wrong...christian was awesome.....i sense a little sarcasm in your post. christian was known to day dream while training.
u sense sarcasm in my post  ??? 
Facts aren't sarcasm bro. You brought u a point about Haney not going overboard with his training & I provided 2 examples agreeing with you  ???


Title: Re: Lee Haney versus the current crop
Post by: wild willie on January 18, 2013, 10:17:45 AM
I thought you were being sarcastic about lee winning more sandows....if he would have been willing to push it.


I apologize.


Title: Re: Lee Haney versus the current crop
Post by: rudylrichards on January 18, 2013, 10:24:10 AM
I thought you were being sarcastic about lee winning more sandows....if he would have been willing to push it.


I apologize.
no problem. I was very serious, based on Dorian, Ronnie, Jay & Phil now who won their 1st O in their 30's & got better into their late 30's. Haney retired at 32 with 8 Sandows. Don't think it's unfair to say his best yrs were ahead of him.


Title: Re: Lee Haney versus the current crop
Post by: Figo on January 18, 2013, 11:22:01 AM

The most amazing thing about lee is that he retired at 32, the same age Dorian & Ronnie won their 1st Olympia. He definitely could've won another 4-8 if he wanted to push it.

It is amazing

He won it all, broke records,  and retired at 32. Gaspari was also young, but came up after haney, yet burned out by 1990. Haney still had more to give, but with the arrival of levrone in 92, then flex in 93, etc and of course dorian stepping up a few gears, one wonders how much more haney could step up, he himself said 91 was tough

Then again, labrada and ray went on to compete and finish top 6 in olympia for a while, so who knows, maybe haney had some in reserve


Title: Re: Lee Haney versus the current crop
Post by: Figo on January 18, 2013, 11:25:35 AM
.i spent some time with gaspari in the mid 90s......total a hole by the way, anyhow, he mentioned that lee was not reckless with the gear, and said that he would never make a comeback, due to the fact that the new guys were using more than he wished to use.



Have you shared stories on gaspari before? Lol, everybody seems to say the same thing

Tell more..


Title: Re: Lee Haney versus the current crop
Post by: Sherief Shalaby on January 18, 2013, 11:45:57 AM
It is amazing

He won it all, broke records,  and retired at 32. Gaspari was also young, but came up after haney, yet burned out by 1990. Haney still had more to give, but with the arrival of levrone in 92, then flex in 93, etc and of course dorian stepping up a few gears, one wonders how much more haney could step up, he himself said 91 was tough

Then again, labrada and ray went on to compete and finish top 6 in olympia for a while, so who knows, maybe haney had some in reserve

lee's back was great but kinda soft when being compared to dorian's.. i think if lee had added more size his back would have become softer and would have lacked some details.. sure no one can be sure but i dont think he could beat dorian in 93 or 95..


Title: Re: Lee Haney versus the current crop
Post by: wild willie on January 18, 2013, 12:19:18 PM
Have you shared stories on gaspari before? Lol, everybody seems to say the same thing

Tell more..
i am going to send you a pm.


Title: Re: Lee Haney versus the current crop
Post by: Sherief Shalaby on January 18, 2013, 01:22:00 PM
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Title: Re: Lee Haney versus the current crop
Post by: Sherief Shalaby on January 18, 2013, 01:22:31 PM
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Title: Re: Lee Haney versus the current crop
Post by: mesmorph78 on January 18, 2013, 01:49:44 PM
NOPE not at the ARNOLD an NOPE not at the Toronto Super show, Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay shorter, actually not even comparable.
in reality it should be that way...heath is mr o
but not at the expo i ent to maybe the english fans are diff but 2 years of that expo coleman had the longest line... by far.. ridiculious
maybe in the states its diff


Title: Re: Lee Haney versus the current crop
Post by: BILL ANVIL on January 18, 2013, 02:47:34 PM
NOPE not at the ARNOLD an NOPE not at the Toronto Super show, Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay shorter, actually not even comparable.

cmon dude I was at the t.o. show Ronnie had plenty of people waiting in line.


Title: Re: Lee Haney versus the current crop
Post by: johnny1 on January 18, 2013, 03:35:09 PM
Lee had that something "extra" during his Reign, comparing Yesterdays guys Vs Todays guys is a Complete Moot point, you look @ Certain Pictures of Lee @ his best and think whao...Unbelievable, then you compare other shots...not so bye TODAYS standards, IMO Lee was a Great BBing Champion...without doubt one of the best of them all, as someone Correctly pointed out in his post...whatever your Generation was/is....as a general rule of thumb that is your "ideal" as who was the best, mine was the tail end of Lee haneys time and the start of Dorian Yates Reign so naturally i see more Positives the Negatives in those ideals over succeeding Generations, who was the best of them all?...pffff....its all in the eye of the Beholder. below was the standard 27-28 YEARS AGO im sure all the other Top 6 these days look alot better in the same shot :-\ oh hang on thats right they are alot "bigger" now.


Title: Re: Lee Haney versus the current crop
Post by: BILL ANVIL on January 18, 2013, 04:54:25 PM
Lee had that something "extra" during his Reign, comparing Yesterdays guys Vs Todays guys is a Compete Moot point, you look @ Certain Pictures of Lee @ his best and think whao...Unbelievable, then you compare other shots...not so bye TODAYS standards, IMO Lee was a Great BBing Champion...without doubt one of the best of them all, as someone Correctly pointed out in his post...whatever your Generation was/is....as a general rule of thumb that is your "ideal" as who was the best, mine was the tail end of Lee haneys time and the start of Dorian Yates Reign so naturally i see more Positives the Negatives in those ideals over succeeding Generations, who was the best of them all?...pffff....its all in the eye of the Beholder. below was the standard 27-28 YEARS AGO im sure all the other Top 6 these days look alot better in the same shot :-\ oh hang on thats right they are alot "bigger" now.

apparently thats whats important, body weight lol


Title: Re: Lee Haney versus the current crop
Post by: wild willie on January 18, 2013, 04:57:43 PM
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haney looks much better!!


Title: Re: Lee Haney versus the current crop
Post by: Moontrane on January 18, 2013, 06:05:58 PM

(http://img43.imageshack.us/img43/6641/lhscan10088.jpg)

(http://www.schwarzenegger.it/mro/haney/lh109.jpg)


Title: Re: Lee Haney versus the current crop
Post by: wild willie on January 18, 2013, 06:30:26 PM
(http://img43.imageshack.us/img43/6641/lhscan10088.jpg)

(http://www.schwarzenegger.it/mro/haney/lh109.jpg)
thats what i'm talking about!

how can you not find that physique mind blowing!?


Title: Re: Lee Haney versus the current crop
Post by: Jon Harridan on January 18, 2013, 06:48:16 PM
thats what i'm talking about!

how can you not find that physique mind blowing!?

That's why Lee's the man!


Title: Re: Lee Haney versus the current crop
Post by: Wiggs on January 18, 2013, 07:56:27 PM
Good Job Gentlemen, good to see Lee getting his due as the greatest Mr. O of all time.


Title: Re: Lee Haney versus the current crop
Post by: wild willie on January 18, 2013, 08:52:09 PM
lee and samir are two of the greatest olympia winners of all time.


i    m    h   o


Title: Re: Lee Haney versus the current crop
Post by: Sherief Shalaby on January 18, 2013, 10:26:15 PM
lee and samir are two of the greatest olympia winners of all time.


i    m    h   o

samir should have won in 82 also..


Title: Re: Lee Haney versus the current crop
Post by: Sherief Shalaby on January 18, 2013, 10:27:23 PM
haney looks much better!!

no not in all poses,.. in some poses nasser is much better..


Title: Re: Lee Haney versus the current crop
Post by: Figo on January 18, 2013, 11:53:59 PM
no not in all poses,.. in some poses nasser is much better..

Nasser must get his dues, he was very big

Haney may have looked inferior in some poses, but was the better bber. In my opinion, by far, no contest

Have you seen below pic before?



Title: Re: Lee Haney versus the current crop
Post by: Sherief Shalaby on January 19, 2013, 10:35:22 AM
Nasser must get his dues, he was very big

Haney may have looked inferior in some poses, but was the better bber. In my opinion, by far, no contest

Have you seen below pic before?



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