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Title: Multiple new polls: Obama holding solid lead, Romney fading in all areas
Post by: blacken700 on September 18, 2012, 12:59:03 PM
With less than two months until the 2012 presidential election, new polls suggest that Mitt Romney is in a deeper hole than he thought.

In late August, Mitt Romney found himself running neck and neck with President Obama and in some polls, was even in the lead. With some confidence, the Republicans held their convention in the swing state of Florida and put on three days of underwhelming promotion. The next week in North Carolina, the Democrats held their convention and changed the course of the election. After an attack in Libya left four Americans dead, including the U.S. ambassador to Libya, Christopher Stevens, Mitt Romney attempted to seize the opportunity to make President Obama look weak. It backfired.

Speaking too soon and without the facts, Romney came across as someone who was too quick and jumped the gun. Needing to change course, the Romney campaign put the focus back on the economy, but then the magazine "Mother Jones" released the video that could be the straw that broke the Romney campaign's back. In a video filmed by Jimmy Carter's grandson, Mitt Romney was caught telling a group of Republican donors that 47% of Americans rely solely on the government and that they would stick with President Obama no matter what.

With all the negative press piling up, Mitt Romney and his standing with the American people is starting to fall. According to a new Reuters/Ipsos poll, President Obama is leading Mitt Romney by five points nationally, holding a 48% to 43% lead. A NBC/Wall Street Journal poll shows that President Obama is holding a five point lead in the key swing states of Florida and Ohio and has a seven point edge in Virginia.

The area where Mitt Romney needs gain is with Hispanic voters. According to a new poll released by Latino Decisions, Romney is trailing the president 68% to 26%, a 42 point margin that could doom the former CEO of Bain Capital's chances in November. In an attempt to chip away at the president's lead, Romney gave a speech at the U.S. Hispanic Chamber of Commerce in Los Angeles, but the result was underwhelming.


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Title: Re: Multiple new polls: Obama holding solid lead, Romney fading in all areas
Post by: Soul Crusher on September 18, 2012, 01:05:14 PM
LOL - go look at RCP today - bounce is gone and mittens moving up again. 
Title: Re: Multiple new polls: Obama holding solid lead, Romney fading in all areas
Post by: MCWAY on September 18, 2012, 01:06:42 PM
LOL - go look at RCP today - bounce is gone and mittens moving up again. 

As usual, Blacken is following the liberal marching orders theme that Obama has locked up this election. Of course, what you just mentioned (among other things) shoots that to pieces.
Title: Re: Multiple new polls: Obama holding solid lead, Romney fading in all areas
Post by: blacken700 on September 18, 2012, 01:11:09 PM
As usual, Blacken is following the liberal marching orders theme that Obama has locked up this election. Of course, what you just mentioned (among other things) shoots that to pieces.

this coming from the guy who gets his news from rush and shawn    priceless
Title: Re: Multiple new polls: Obama holding solid lead, Romney fading in all areas
Post by: MCWAY on September 18, 2012, 01:12:43 PM
this coming from the guy who gets his news from rush and shawn    priceless

Yep. And I'm talking to you, the guy who gets his news from the Daily Kos, Media Matters, and MSNBC (featuring Chris "Thrill Up My Leg" Matthews").

Every time the left-winged goofies in the media claim some statement or alleged action of Romney has doomed his campaign, you start posting dozens of threads, parroting that gibberish.

    Dog-Gate
    Bully-Gate
    Tax-Gate
    Bain-Gate
    Cancer-Gate
    Clinton's speech
    Romney's reaction to Egypt and Libya's foolishness

And that's just the short list.
Title: Re: Multiple new polls: Obama holding solid lead, Romney fading in all areas
Post by: Fury on September 18, 2012, 01:15:21 PM
this coming from the guy who gets his news from rush and shawn    priceless

Got anything to post from Media Matters or Think Progress today, parasite?  ::)
Title: Re: Multiple new polls: Obama holding solid lead, Romney fading in all areas
Post by: blacken700 on September 18, 2012, 01:27:45 PM
Got anything to post from Media Matters or Think Progress today, parasite?  ::)

did you get your own place yet,or are you still milking your mommy's tit  :D :D :D :D
Title: Re: Multiple new polls: Obama holding solid lead, Romney fading in all areas
Post by: Soul Crusher on September 18, 2012, 01:28:30 PM
did you get your own place yet,or are you still milking your mommy's tit  :D :D :D :D

Dude - living in the YMCA like you do on taxpayers dime does not count as independence 
Title: Re: Multiple new polls: Obama holding solid lead, Romney fading in all areas
Post by: blacken700 on September 18, 2012, 01:34:31 PM
Dude - living in the YMCA like you do on taxpayers dime does not count as independence 

at lease you have your own slum apartment,berzerkfury talks about people being leaches ,but still lives with his mommy  :D
Title: Re: Multiple new polls: Obama holding solid lead, Romney fading in all areas
Post by: Soul Crusher on September 18, 2012, 01:35:03 PM
at lease you have your own slum apartment,berzerkfury talks about people being leaches ,but still lives with his mommy  :D

If he is not costing the taxpayer $$$$$ what do you care? 
Title: Re: Multiple new polls: Obama holding solid lead, Romney fading in all areas
Post by: Necrosis on September 18, 2012, 01:36:58 PM
Yep. And I'm talking to you, the guy who gets his news from the Daily Kos, Media Matters, and MSNBC (featuring Chris "Thrill Up My Leg" Matthews").

Every time the left-winged goofies in the media claim some statement or alleged action of Romney has doomed his campaign, you start posting dozens of threads, parroting that gibberish.

    Dog-Gate
    Bully-Gate
    Tax-Gate
    Bain-Gate
    Cancer-Gate
    Clinton's speech
    Romney's reaction to Egypt and Libya's foolishness

And that's just the short list.

you should be disqualified from voting for believing in talking snakes.
Title: Re: Multiple new polls: Obama holding solid lead, Romney fading in all areas
Post by: Soul Crusher on September 18, 2012, 01:38:01 PM
you should be disqualified from voting for believing in talking snakes.

You believe in liars like Krugman - you = FAIL
Title: Re: Multiple new polls: Obama holding solid lead, Romney fading in all areas
Post by: blacken700 on September 18, 2012, 01:44:30 PM
If he is not costing the taxpayer $$$$$ what do you care? 

these are his mothers golden years she shouldn't have a 20 something year old child in her house  :D :D
Title: Re: Multiple new polls: Obama holding solid lead, Romney fading in all areas
Post by: Fury on September 18, 2012, 01:50:07 PM
did you get your own place yet,or are you still milking your mommy's tit  :D :D :D :D

Have you logged off Getbig yet today? You were going before I went to work this morning and I check back in at 5 and you're STILL going. 333 owns his own business so what's your excuse, parasite?
Title: Re: Multiple new polls: Obama holding solid lead, Romney fading in all areas
Post by: Soul Crusher on September 18, 2012, 01:51:14 PM
Have you logged off Getbig yet today? You were going before I went to work this morning and I check back in at 5 and you're STILL going. 333 owns his own business so what's your excuse, parasite?


sssshhhhh - settled two easy cases and made a quick 2k for about three hours work.   

Working smart vs working hard are two different things. 
Title: Re: Multiple new polls: Obama holding solid lead, Romney fading in all areas
Post by: blacken700 on September 18, 2012, 01:53:10 PM
did you get your own place yet,or are you still milking your mommy's tit  :D :D :D :D
Title: Re: Multiple new polls: Obama holding solid lead, Romney fading in all areas
Post by: Fury on September 18, 2012, 01:57:51 PM

sssshhhhh - settled two easy cases and made a quick 2k for about three hours work.   

Working smart vs working hard are two different things. 

Definitely. You're also your own boss so you can do what you want with your time. Blacken is a child and not likely the boss of anything so he's clearly not working given how much time he manages to spend on here every day.

He doesn't know dick about working smart or working hard.
Title: Re: Multiple new polls: Obama holding solid lead, Romney fading in all areas
Post by: blacken700 on September 18, 2012, 02:00:23 PM
Definitely. You're also your own boss so you can do what you want with your time. Blacken is a child and not likely the boss of anything so he's clearly not working given how much time he manages to spend on here every day.

He doesn't know dick about working smart or working hard.

and you know nothing about living on your own  :D :D :D :D i think mommy's making cookies,if your a good boy she may let you lick the spoon  :D :D :D :D :D :D
Title: Re: Multiple new polls: Obama holding solid lead, Romney fading in all areas
Post by: MCWAY on September 18, 2012, 02:04:46 PM
you should be disqualified from voting for believing in talking snakes.

I didn't vote for Obama.
Title: Re: Multiple new polls: Obama holding solid lead, Romney fading in all areas
Post by: Soul Crusher on September 18, 2012, 02:07:10 PM
and you know nothing about living on your own  :D :D :D :D i think mommy's making cookies,if your a good boy she may let you lick the spoon  :D :D :D :D :D :D


With the spelling you use, I suggest you sign up for remedial reading and writing in the rec room. 
Title: Re: Multiple new polls: Obama holding solid lead, Romney fading in all areas
Post by: blacken700 on September 18, 2012, 02:09:59 PM

With the spelling you use, I suggest you sign up for remedial reading and writing in the rec room. 

how old were you when you moved out of your parents house ???
Title: Re: Multiple new polls: Obama holding solid lead, Romney fading in all areas
Post by: 240 is Back on September 18, 2012, 02:11:09 PM
scott brown.... where is this guy's integrity?  Attacking romney today.  not cool.  party must unite.

Bill Kristol too.
Title: Re: Multiple new polls: Obama holding solid lead, Romney fading in all areas
Post by: Soul Crusher on September 18, 2012, 02:12:15 PM
scott brown.... where is this guy's integrity?  Attacking romney today.  not cool.  party must unite.

Bill Kristol too.

Its every hack for themselves. 

Kristol is a slimebag, peobably the biggest of them all. 
Title: Re: Multiple new polls: Obama holding solid lead, Romney fading in all areas
Post by: MCWAY on September 18, 2012, 02:12:55 PM
scott brown.... where is this guy's integrity?  Attacking romney today.  not cool.  party must unite.

Bill Kristol too.

They'll unite when it counts. It's not as if this infighting is just happening on Romney's side.
Title: Re: Multiple new polls: Obama holding solid lead, Romney fading in all areas
Post by: 240 is Back on September 18, 2012, 02:14:47 PM
Kristol is a slimebag, peobably the biggest of them all. 

Kristol is the reason sarah palin was selected in 2008.  He can't be that bad.  He intro'd her and pushed her on mccain.  He's the reason the party had her.
Title: Re: Multiple new polls: Obama holding solid lead, Romney fading in all areas
Post by: Soul Crusher on September 18, 2012, 02:16:45 PM
Kristol is the reason sarah palin was selected in 2008.  He can't be that bad.  He intro'd her and pushed her on mccain.  He's the reason the party had her.

Kristol also is the biggest neo-con around
Title: Re: Multiple new polls: Obama holding solid lead, Romney fading in all areas
Post by: 240 is Back on September 18, 2012, 03:51:14 PM
Kristol also is the biggest neo-con around

everyone is a neocon, dude.

mccain.  obama sure acting like one.  palin was one.  bush was one.  jeb is one.  rudy was one.

Romney is completely surrounded with the bush neocon team for his foreign policy team.

neocon is how it is now.
Title: Re: Multiple new polls: Obama holding solid lead, Romney fading in all areas
Post by: tu_holmes on September 18, 2012, 03:58:27 PM
everyone is a neocon, dude.

mccain.  obama sure acting like one.  palin was one.  bush was one.  jeb is one.  rudy was one.

Romney is completely surrounded with the bush neocon team for his foreign policy team.

neocon is how it is now.

There is no longer "neocon"... That's just "con"
Title: Re: Multiple new polls: Obama holding solid lead, Romney fading in all areas
Post by: Necrosis on September 19, 2012, 02:49:04 PM
why do stupid people vote republican? gay lords.
Title: Re: Multiple new polls: Obama holding solid lead, Romney fading in all areas
Post by: Kazan on September 19, 2012, 02:49:54 PM
why do stupid people vote republican? gay lords.

Why does you ignorant ass vote Democrat? Homo Buttfuckus
Title: Re: Multiple new polls: Obama holding solid lead, Romney fading in all areas
Post by: Necrosis on September 20, 2012, 11:52:32 AM
Why does you ignorant ass vote Democrat? Homo Buttfuckus

I am a moderate, the republican party is a joke now though, so obstructionist, full of characters. Like Sarah Palin, bachmann, fucking rick retard perry who can't even name the departments of government. Seriously open your eyes man, its become radical.
Title: Re: Multiple new polls: Obama holding solid lead, Romney fading in all areas
Post by: Soul Crusher on October 11, 2012, 11:47:50 AM
BUMP
Title: Re: Multiple new polls: Obama holding solid lead, Romney fading in all areas
Post by: Shockwave on October 11, 2012, 11:49:45 AM
I am a moderate, the republican party is a joke now though, so obstructionist, full of characters. Like Sarah Palin, bachmann, fucking rick retard perry who can't even name the departments of government. Seriously open your eyes man, its become radical.
They're both equally radical, why don't you try opening YOUR eyes instead of just painting everyone that disagrees with you as a gaylord.
Title: Re: Multiple new polls: Obama holding solid lead, Romney fading in all areas
Post by: Option D on October 11, 2012, 12:34:13 PM
They're both equally radical, why don't you try opening YOUR eyes instead of just painting everyone that disagrees with you as a gaylord.
truth
Title: Re: Multiple new polls: Obama holding solid lead, Romney fading in all areas
Post by: Necrosis on October 11, 2012, 01:36:43 PM
They're both equally radical, why don't you try opening YOUR eyes instead of just painting everyone that disagrees with you as a gaylord.

no they are not, the tea party has dragged the right so far they are coming up behind the left.
Title: Re: Multiple new polls: Obama holding solid lead, Romney fading in all areas
Post by: Soul Crusher on October 11, 2012, 01:38:34 PM
no they are not, the tea party has dragged the right so far they are coming up behind the left.

STFU - when has the idea of being TAXED ENOUGH ALREADY a radical proposition?
Title: Re: Multiple new polls: Obama holding solid lead, Romney fading in all areas
Post by: Shockwave on October 11, 2012, 01:55:18 PM
no they are not, the tea party has dragged the right so far they are coming up behind the left.
::)
Title: Re: Multiple new polls: Obama holding solid lead, Romney fading in all areas
Post by: tu_holmes on October 11, 2012, 02:14:15 PM
I don't think the "taxed enough already" is a problem.

I see TEA party signs up around Virginia all of the time and they are just ridiculous... Some of them lie... Some of them are just emotional ramblings.

I saw one the other day that was just a folding chair... I assume it was to make fun of Obama, but we all know that Clint's speech was just bad.

Look, everyone can agree that we as a whole are taxed plenty.

However, when will any party get the premise that we have to cut spending.

Add to that that there's a lot of kooks in the TEA party (as they are often the most far right of the group) and then you have to admit, as a unit, they look disastrous.
Title: Re: Multiple new polls: Obama holding solid lead, Romney fading in all areas
Post by: Soul Crusher on October 11, 2012, 02:17:14 PM
Disagree completely.  2010 proved people agree more w Tea party than the radical left as represented by Obama wasserman shultz reid ec.

I don't think the "taxed enough already" is a problem.

I see TEA party signs up around Virginia all of the time and they are just ridiculous... Some of them lie... Some of them are just emotional ramblings.

I saw one the other day that was just a folding chair... I assume it was to make fun of Obama, but we all know that Clint's speech was just bad.

Look, everyone can agree that we as a whole are taxed plenty.

However, when will any party get the premise that we have to cut spending.

Add to that that there's a lot of kooks in the TEA party (as they are often the most far right of the group) and then you have to admit, as a unit, they look disastrous.

Title: Re: Multiple new polls: Obama holding solid lead, Romney fading in all areas
Post by: tu_holmes on October 11, 2012, 02:22:38 PM
Disagree completely.  2010 proved people agree more w Tea party than the radical left as represented by Obama wasserman shultz reid ec.


How can you say that? Because Republicans won some seats?

How many of those seats were Tea Party candidates? 5? 6 maybe?

Come on man... Be honest.

The extreme left is kooky as hell, but the TEA party is equally as kooky and the second they start talking about abortion and shit like that, they lose credibility and hurt themselves.

If they talk about taxes, then fine, but you and I both know that when they talk about their social issues, they fucking get beat up.
Title: Re: Multiple new polls: Obama holding solid lead, Romney fading in all areas
Post by: Soul Crusher on October 11, 2012, 02:25:19 PM
Won some seats?  It was the biggest landslide in 70 years! 

How can you say that? Because Republicans won some seats?

How many of those seats were Tea Party candidates? 5? 6 maybe?

Come on man... Be honest.

The extreme left is kooky as hell, but the TEA party is equally as kooky and the second they start talking about abortion and shit like that, they lose credibility and hurt themselves.

If they talk about taxes, then fine, but you and I both know that when they talk about their social issues, they fucking get beat up.
Title: Re: Multiple new polls: Obama holding solid lead, Romney fading in all areas
Post by: tu_holmes on October 11, 2012, 02:41:23 PM
Won some seats?  It was the biggest landslide in 70 years! 


So what?

How many of them were TEA party candidates?!

That's the point you are making man... Not that many.

Yes, the republicans took back a lot of seats... So what?

The point is about the TEA party... You know... That's the group we are focusing on here.
Title: Re: Multiple new polls: Obama holding solid lead, Romney fading in all areas
Post by: Soul Crusher on October 11, 2012, 02:43:40 PM
So what?

How many of them were TEA party candidates?!

That's the point you are making man... Not that many.

Yes, the republicans took back a lot of seats... So what?

The point is about the TEA party... You know... That's the group we are focusing on here.


Many - where the tea party ran - they mostly won - not all of course.   

Same is going to happen in November.   Landslide coming   People are completely sick to death of obama's radical socialist tyranny
Title: Re: Multiple new polls: Obama holding solid lead, Romney fading in all areas
Post by: tu_holmes on October 11, 2012, 02:49:27 PM

Many - where the tea party ran - they mostly won - not all of course.   

Same is going to happen in November.   Landslide coming   People are completely sick to death of obama's radical socialist tyranny

Where the TEA party ran was just simply republicans.

Again... the TEA party isn't really some superbeing as you are claiming it to be... You could have ran anyone on the Republicans in 2010 and they would have won.

Just like in 2008 anyone would have beat McCain... It's just the way it works man.

People get sick of one side, they switch to the other.

As nothing has improved in the past 2 years either way (according to your statements) then why would anyone vote in an incumbent in any sense?

If a republican is running for re-election, they should get slammed... Democrats likewise.

I don't see where Obama is doing anything more socialist than anyone else has recently... I'm not saying he doesn't suck... He does, but for you to call him a socialist tyrant and not others, well, that's just disingenuous.
Title: Re: Multiple new polls: Obama holding solid lead, Romney fading in all areas
Post by: MCWAY on October 11, 2012, 02:50:30 PM
So what?

How many of them were TEA party candidates?!

That's the point you are making man... Not that many.

Yes, the republicans took back a lot of seats... So what?

The point is about the TEA party... You know... That's the group we are focusing on here.

Without the Tea Party, the GOP would still be the minority in the House. A huge chunk of those Republicans that won were, in fact, Tea Party folks.
Title: Re: Multiple new polls: Obama holding solid lead, Romney fading in all areas
Post by: Shockwave on October 11, 2012, 03:40:20 PM

Add to that that there's a lot of kooks in the TEA party (as they are often the most far right of the group) and then you have to admit, as a unit, they look disastrous.

I'd say there is just as many kooks in EITHER party, far left or right. On the left, you have the feminists, the enviro-nazis,.. ect, etc.
Title: Re: Multiple new polls: Obama holding solid lead, Romney fading in all areas
Post by: tu_holmes on October 11, 2012, 03:55:52 PM
I'd say there is just as many kooks in EITHER party, far left or right. On the left, you have the feminists, the enviro-nazis,.. ect, etc.

If you look at my statements, I agree... I think the far left is as kooky as the far right on every level.

Title: Re: Multiple new polls: Obama holding solid lead, Romney fading in all areas
Post by: Necrosis on October 11, 2012, 04:33:47 PM
STFU - when has the idea of being TAXED ENOUGH ALREADY a radical proposition?

they signed a fucking grovers bullshits agreement to never raise taxes, thats not a position it's a ideology, a dangerous one. This is the group that denies reality, global warming, evolution and believes in fucking noahs ark amongst other shit.

Did you say obama was far left? lol, most of his policies are moderate-left, he fucking extended bush tax cuts you twit, far left lol.

Sarah Palin is seriously borderline retarded, you have the bachmanns praying the gay away and then retard perry failing to name programs he wants to cut. Sarah Palin is a punchline now.

Title: Re: Multiple new polls: Obama holding solid lead, Romney fading in all areas
Post by: 240 is Back on October 11, 2012, 04:38:09 PM
they signed a fucking grovers bullshits agreement to never raise taxes, thats not a position it's a ideology, a dangerous one. This is the group that denies reality, global warming, evolution and believes in fucking noahs ark amongst other shit.

Did you say obama was far left? lol, most of his policies are moderate-left, he fucking extended bush tax cuts you twit, far left lol.

Sarah Palin is seriously borderline retarded, you have the bachmanns praying the gay away and then retard perry failing to name programs he wants to cut. Sarah Palin is a punchline now.



If Obama wins this election... and Romney becomes the guy who lost the most easily winnable election in history...

I bet he's the same persona non grata in 2016.  NOBODY will want the stink of obamacare-writing, gungrabbing, flip flopping mitt on them down the road.

The same way Palin wasn't given a FOX mic, much less a speaking slot, at the convention.   He will be a joke, someone they defend now because they have to, but they really do know he's a smug, 47%-talking, fake tan wearing, liberal snot.
Title: Re: Multiple new polls: Obama holding solid lead, Romney fading in all areas
Post by: flipper5470 on October 11, 2012, 05:37:02 PM
they signed a fucking grovers bullshits agreement to never raise taxes, thats not a position it's a ideology, a dangerous one. This is the group that denies reality, global warming, evolution and believes in fucking noahs ark amongst other shit.

Did you say obama was far left? lol, most of his policies are moderate-left, he fucking extended bush tax cuts you twit, far left lol.

Sarah Palin is seriously borderline retarded, you have the bachmanns praying the gay away and then retard perry failing to name programs he wants to cut. Sarah Palin is a punchline now.



YOu can vacuum every dollar out of the private sector and it won't change anythig uness we reign in government spending.  No one in their right mind would advocate raising taxed without a firm commitment to spending controls.
Title: Re: Multiple new polls: Obama holding solid lead, Romney fading in all areas
Post by: Soul Crusher on October 12, 2012, 07:33:50 AM
Virginia Poll: Romney Leads By 7 Romney 51% Obama 44%)
 Breitbart ^ | 10/12/2012 | Tony Lee


Posted on Friday, October 12, 2012 10:17:29 AM


Mitt Romney has taken a commanding 7-point lead over President Barack Obama in another Virginia poll.

According to a McLaughlin & Associates poll that had an R+.02 sample, Romney leads Obama in Virginia 51%-44%.

Among independents, Romney beats Obama by 11 points, 50%-39%.

If these numbers hold for Romney, Romney could be free to expand the electoral map and more aggressively make plays for states like Michigan and Pennsylvania that were considered "reaches" just two weeks ago.

In addition, this poll, which has Romney leading by double-digits among independents and has a sample that is more reflective of what the turnout will be in November than other polls, may be a more accurate snapshot of Virginia's electorate than other mainstream media polls.


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Title: Re: Multiple new polls: Obama holding solid lead, Romney fading in all areas
Post by: Soul Crusher on October 12, 2012, 07:50:34 AM
Rasmussen Florida : Romney 51% Obama 47%
 Rasmussen Reports ^

Posted on Friday, October 12, 2012 10:50:20 AM by sunmars

Mitt Romney has crossed the 50% mark for the first time to widen his lead to four points in Florida.

Ninety-two percent (92%) of likely Florida voters say they have already made up their minds which candidate they will vote for. Romney leads 52% to 48% among these voters.

The latest Rasmussen Reports telephone survey of Likely Florida Voters finds Romney with 51% support to President Obama’s 47%. Two percent (2%) remain undecided. (To see survey question wording, click here.)

This is the widest gap between the candidates in surveys this year, but Florida remains a Toss-Up in the Rasmussen Reports Electoral College Projections. Prior to these findings, the candidates have been within two points of each other in Florida in every survey since April. Last week, it was Romney 49%, Obama 47%.


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