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"I am happy to express from this darkness and draw a true picture of the condition in which I exist. I am moving towards a dark cave and a dark life in the shadow of a dark prison. This is a prison that does not know humanity, and does not know anything except the language of power, oppression and humiliation for whoever enters it. It does not differentiate between a criminal and the innocent."
-Guantanamo inmate Adnan Farhan Abdul Latif in a letter to his lawyer, dated December 26th, 2010
Two weeks ago, the Pentagon quietly released a statement that another Guantanamo detainee had died in custody, the ninth since the prison was opened in 2001. Adnan Farhan Abdul Latif, a 32-year-old man from Yemen who had spent eleven years incarcerated, was found dead in his cell on September 8.
The cause of his death has been recorded as unknown and may never truly be known, but Latif had long suffered from feelings of extreme depression during his time in jail, having made several suicide attempts in the previous years.
Latif had long complained of abuse by prison staff and of his deteriorating physical and mental condition during his imprisonment. Two years earlier, he had written that guards "entered my cell on a regular basis. They throw me and drag me on the floor... they strangle me and press hard behind my ears until I lose consciousness". In 2009 he slit his wrists in an attempt to end his life, writing about the incident later to his lawyer to say that his circumstances in Guantanamo "make death more desirable than living".
Latif was initially captured by Pakistani bounty hunters in the aftermath of the 9/11 attacks when a mixture of confusion and desire for vengeance resulted in the effective labelling of any military age Arab males found in Afghanistan and Pakistan as potential terrorists.
"They throw me and drag me on the floor... they strangle me and press hard behind my ears until I lose consciousness."
- Adnan Farhan Abdul Latif
He had been receiving medical care in Amman, Jordan for chronic injuries he had received from a car crash in Yemen that had fractured his skull and caused permanent damage to his hearing. Lured to Pakistan by the promise of cheap healthcare, once the war started he ended up caught in the dragnet of opportunistic bounty hunters who detained him, proclaimed him a terrorist and handed him over to the US military in neighbouring Afghanistan.
Later it would come out that such bounty hunters had been unscrupulous, detaining individuals and labelling them as terrorists baselessly in order to collect large cash incentives from the US military for their handover. No evidence was ever found connecting him to terrorism or violent militancy of any kind, and later medical examinations taken of him upon intake into military custody would corroborate his story regarding the nature of the head injuries he had come to Pakistan to treat. Indeed, when he was apprehended he was found not to be in possession of weapons or extremist literature of any kind - what he had with him were copies of his medical records.
While during all his years in custody Latif has never been charged with nor convicted of any crime related to terrorism or any other offence, his death now is made even more tragic due to the fact that he had been recommended for release from Guantanamo by the Department of Defence since as early as 2004, and again in 2007, which said at the time that it had determined that he "is not known to have participated in any combatant/terrorist training". In 2009 a special task force commissioned by the Obama administration also ruled that Latif should be released, a decision which its internal mandates specified could only be reached by the unanimous consensus of all US intelligence agencies. However despite being cleared for release he remained in military custody as a decision had been made not to repatriate any prisoners to Yemen due to ongoing political instability in the country, effectively leaving him and others like him in a state of indefinite detention.
Despite this, Latif fought his own long legal battle through the civilian court system, taking his case all the way to the Supreme Court in order to prove his innocence and win his release. Finally after years of legal challenges in 2010 an order for Latif's immediate release was given by US District Judge Henry Kennedy, who called the allegations against him "unconvincing" and in a 32-page order ruled that the government had failed to provide evidence that Latif had been part of al-Qaeda or any other militant group and ordering it to "take all necessary and appropriate diplomatic steps to facilitate Latif's release forthwith".
Despite this, the Department of Justice successfully appealed the judges' decision, and in a 2-1 ruling that Latif's release order was rescinded; effectively on the grounds that the allegations against him must be taken as accurate if they are claimed to be so by the government. The dissenting opinion lambasted the ruling as rigging "the game in the governments favour", with the ultimate result being to once more snatch away the prospect of freedom from Adnan Latif. Latif had placed his faith in the fairness and impartiality of the US legal system and it failed him utterly, inventing new grounds to keep him incarcerated and in the words of the dissenting judge, "moving the goalposts" in order to ensure that no matter what evidence existed regarding his innocence he would remain behind bars.
Throughout this time, almost a decade of his young life, Adnan Latif remained in Guantanamo Bay. He was interrogated hundreds of times and by his own account suffered frequent physical abuse and degradation at the hands of his captors. In a poem, he described the prison guards who were his warders as "artists of torture, pain, fatigue, insults and humiliation". He joined other prisoners in a hunger strike in protest of their continued imprisonment, being forcibly tied to a special restraining chair and force-fed liquids through his nose twice a day for years. Despite describing the pain of the feeding as being like "having a dagger shoved down your throat", Latif continued to remain on strike and continued his strike up to the time of his death. In the words of his lawyer David Remes, "This is a man who would not accept his situation... He would not accept his mistreatment. He would not go gently into that good night."
Witness - Four Days in Guantanamo
As the years dragged on and the prospect of him ever being released began to grow more remote, Latif's mental and physical condition continued to markedly deteriorate. During his incarceration, he wrote an abundance of letters and poetry which offer a window into the utter despair and hopeless into which his life had come; seemingly forever confined to a prison his writings described as "a piece of hell that kills everything, the spirit, the body and kicks away all the symptoms of health from them".
Locked for nearly 10 years in an island prison thousands of miles away from his home, away from his loved ones and from everything which one would find familiar and comforting in life, Latif sank deeper into depression and hopelessness as the futility of the legal efforts towards winning his freedom became clear. In one of his last letters to his lawyer he tells him: "Do whatever you wish to do, the issue [of my defence] is over", and includes with it a message of farewell written both to him personally as well to the world at large: "With all my pains, I say goodbye to you and the cry of death should be enough for you. A world power failed to safeguard peace and human rights and from saving me. I will do whatever I am able to do to rid myself of the imposed death on me at any moment of this prison... the soul that insists to end it all and leave this life which is no longer anymore a life."
Adnan Farhan Abdul Latif died on September 8, 2012. He was described by those who knew him at Guantanamo as a slightly built man with a sensitive demeanour who was tormented by the circumstances of his life and the inescapable nightmare he found himself trapped in.
The booking photograph taken of him by military officials in prison show a young man whose pain is not sublimated but clearly written on his face; a visceral expression of sadness and torment.
He died without ever having been charged with a crime, and while we may never know the exact circumstances of his death, whether he took his own life, whether he died as the result of physical abuse by his captors - as many other detainees are believed to have - or whether his body simply collapsed after years of stress, his attorney offered his own perspective: "He was so fragile, he was so tormented that it would not surprise me if he had committed suicide... However you look at it, it was Guantanamo that killed him."
His own words paint the picture of a man who had lost faith in a society which had treated him with unrelenting malice and cruelty: "I have seen death so many times... Everything is over, life is going to hell in my situation... America, what has happened to you?"
" Dantes professes his innocence to the warden after first arriving at the Chateau d'If. The warden responds, " No, my dear Dantes. I know perfectly well that you are innocent. Why else would you be here? If you were truly guilty, there are a hundred prisons in France where they would lock you away. But Chateau d'If is where is they put the ones they're ashamed of."
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M not reading all that but fuck him. US has more important things to do that determining the guilt of their detainees........like the war on weed, hanging 3rd rate dictators, keeping the black man down, finding gh15s identity etc
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fuck him
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M not reading all that but fuck him. US has more important things to do that determining the guilt of their detainees........like the war on weed, hanging 3rd rate dictators, keeping the black man down, finding gh15s identity etc
^^^^^
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fuck him
And fuck your constitution because I'm sure it doesn't agree with this kind of behaviour.
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America doesn't even give a shit about its own POWs in Vietnam
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If he was a Moslem, who gives a fuck. The war has started.
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The sheer ignorance on display in this thread is fucking disgusting. I'm truly shocked at the lack of empathy for the torture and death of a fellow human being? Are you guys sure you deserve the human name? what the fuck?
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The sheer ignorance on display in this thread is fucking disgusting. I'm truly shocked at the lack of empathy for the torture and death of a fellow human being? Are you guys sure you deserve the human name? what the fuck?
welcome to getbig. no humans on here ;D
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The sheer ignorance on display in this thread is fucking disgusting. I'm truly shocked at the lack of empathy for the torture and death of a fellow human being? Are you guys sure you deserve the human name? what the fuck?
The conditions of his treatment were possibly better than in a supermax prison on the mainland, and damn sure better than in a Mexican (South American), or African prison.
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Certainly a very sad way to spend the last years of your life. But I would reserve judgement, not knowing the facts as to why he was detained, and acknowledging the very likely possibility that his stories of abusive treatment are exaggerated.
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fuck the dead guy
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Fucked by fella Americana
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too damn bad!!!
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Temperary Prison of Peace ::)
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If he was there, than more than likely there was a reason. That being said fuck-em. Hope this helps. ;D
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Filt was lucky we let him live this long
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awww...the poor raghead got all his panties in a bunch
Lets not forget why the civilized world is beating the shit out of these savages.
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So sickening to hear the comments on here. Yet saddly not surprising having heard other wonderful things from some people on here.
There are literally tens of thousands of people being held without evidence and forged evidence in american torture prisons run by the cia world wide. To avoid legal problems they take them to countries with dictators (such as the vampire hosni mubarak of egypt who has been finally ousted after 30 years of american support and funding) to either make them 'dissapear' or beaten to death and or tortured for false testimony.
It's not the first time. Abu Gharaib was scratching the surface. Guantanamo bay same thing.
There are so many people who have been released and told their stories of torture. Plenty of videos of them. There is also plenty of videos of guards who have confessed to what was being done in there, some of them even became Muslim.
America has lost all credibility of moral, credibility, trustworthyness, legallity, dignity and respect.
It's laughable when America tries to admonish China for 'human rights'.. when the very civil liberties of american citizens are being degraded literally daily.. not to mention prisoners of war guilty of nothing but defending their lands or being in their lands.
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Temperary Prison of Peace ::)
:) Nice!
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As one example there's a child prisoner in there from Canada:
(http://freedetainees.files.wordpress.com/2008/01/omar-child.jpg)
It was his birthday 5 days ago.
He's been a prisoner and tortured since the age of 15 and to this day is in guantanmo
He is 26 now.
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Another one of the ex gitmo guards interviewed:
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So sickening to hear the comments on here. Yet saddly not surprising having heard other wonderful things from some people on here.
There are literally tens of thousands of people being held without evidence and forged evidence in american torture prisons run by the cia world wide. To avoid legal problems they take them to countries with dictators (such as the vampire hosni mubarak of egypt who has been finally ousted after 30 years of american support and funding) to either make them 'dissapear' or beaten to death and or tortured for false testimony.
It's not the first time. Abu Gharaib was scratching the surface. Guantanamo bay same thing.
There are so many people who have been released and told their stories of torture. Plenty of videos of them. There is also plenty of videos of guards who have confessed to what was being done in there, some of them even became Muslim.
America has lost all credibility of moral, credibility, trustworthyness, legallity, dignity and respect.
It's laughable when America tries to admonish China for 'human rights'.. when the very civil liberties of american citizens are being degraded literally daily.. not to mention prisoners of war guilty of nothing but defending their lands or being in their lands.
LOL !!! ;D
homeboy, america is far from perfect, but i guarantee you this country is a thousand light years ahead of your own in terms of respecting peoples humanity and treating people fairly.
we might be a fucked up place by some standard, but that aint the world standard; by the world standard were a fucking utopia!! and were giving billions in aid to countries all over the world, helping set up democracy and bringing the values of individual liberty and freedom to the world.
all in all, your a delusional fuck!!! ;D ;D
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Yeah. If he wanted to be safe he shouldve converted to christianity and called himself steve. Holy war is a comin...you better be on the right side bitches.
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awww...the poor raghead got all his panties in a bunch
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To all these morons saying fuck him, realize that if you are white the hierarchy is sending a big fuck you message to you. They are seeking to replace and genocide your ass.
Fucked by fella zionist
Zionism: Pitting The West Against Islam
http://rense.com/general74/zzn.htm (http://rense.com/general74/zzn.htm)
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awww...the poor raghead got all his panties in a bunch
You are a fucking moron - you think rag heads did that???
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You are a fucking moron - you think rag heads did that???
Awwww....America had so much to gain by killing thousands of its own people and destroying billions of dollars worth of infrastructure, tech and equipment.
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Another one of the ex gitmo guards interviewed:
lol at this fucking twink
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Awwww....America had so much to gain by killing thousands of its own people and destroying billions of dollars worth of infrastructure, tech and equipment.
Are you saying politicians have never sent their own fellow country men to death fighting in the front lines?
You think the hierarchy care about the lives of 3000?
What you don't seem to understand is that the USA operates on the basis of I O Us. Just like in Dumb and Dumber. They just borrow or print whatever money they need. They never plan on paying it back. You think they care about destroying a few billion dollars complex when they can just print that money and build a new one?
My, you are very naive.
http://www.usdebtclock.org/ (http://www.usdebtclock.org/)
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M not reading all that but fuck him. US has more important things to do that determining the guilt of their detainees........like the war on weed, hanging 3rd rate dictators, keeping the black man down, finding gh15s identity etc
So you agree the US isn't all bad?
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USA, I am disappoint.
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War is peace, Freedom is slavery, Ignorance is strength
cooled by smartalix
(idea) by bitter_engineer Wed May 03 2000 at 6:06:52
War is Peace refers to to the fact that while a country is at war, it can get away with murder on the home front, on the pretext of "rooting out traitors." A good example of this is the Espionage Act passed by Congress and signed by Woodrow Wilson in 1917, which had little to do with spies, and a lot to do with allowing the feds to round up anyone who criticized the Government's actions during a war. (Fun trivia fact: Since the United States has officially been in a state of emergency since the Korean War, the Act is still in force).
Freedom is Slavery means that you are supposed to treat your supposedly natural rights as privileges that you need to constantly earn. For instance, in the United States, convicted felons are not allowed to vote, even after they have been released from jail.
Ignorance is Power means that as long as you believe what you are told, the state has the power to justify whatever it wants. Example: in 1998, Clinton ordered tomahawk missles to be fired at a Sudanese Pharmaceutical plant. His rationale was that it was being used to construct bio-weapons. Six months later, the government quietly admitted that it had no conclusive evidence of this.
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"facility of the United States military located within Guantanamo Bay Naval Base, Cuba."
technically he died in Cuba...so technically US laws don't apply there unless it benefits us :)
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I am not sure what is sadder: what happened to him or how some people on this site think.
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The conditions of his treatment were possibly better than in a supermax prison on the mainland, and damn sure better than in a Mexican (South American), or African prison.
Exactly. He could have spent the past decade locked up with The Tossed Salad Man if he was in the states. All in all he did fairly well for himself, all things considered.
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Innocent people have suffered in all wars since the beginning of time.
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I am not sure what is sadder: what happened to him or how some people on this site think.
I always think it is funny that those who are so gung-ho about how great the US is, are always the same ones who don't believe in the US justice system.
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Exactly. He could have spent the past decade locked up with The Tossed Salad Man if he was in the states. All in all he did fairly well for himself, all things considered.
If you are innocent, even being locked up in the Hilton sucks balls.
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Temperary Prison of Peace ::)
lol
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Damn sounds a little harsh!
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Americans can't figure out why arabs hate them. Hmmmm ::)
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There is no enemy anywhere - Lao Tse
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Yeah. If he wanted to be safe he shouldve converted to christianity and called himself steve. Holy war is a comin...you better be on the right side bitches.
Which side? Muslims have proven they are willing to die for their religion. Catholics fuck little boys. Who wins in this fight?
Ultimately the Jews are playing their cards perfectly. They run the USA, convince the US christians to fight the muslims, have them wipe eath other out and what remains? Fucking Isreal and jews.
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Which side? Muslims have proven they are willing to die for their religion. Catholics fuck little boys. Who wins in this fight?
Ultimately the Jews are playing their cards perfectly. They run the USA, convince the US christians to fight the muslims, have them wipe eath other out and what remains? Fucking Isreal and jews.
And then they will start fighting among themselves.
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And then they will start fighting among themselves.
as long as religion exists so will fighting.
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If you are innocent, even being locked up in the Hilton sucks balls.
Bingo!
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People who sacrifice their liberties for a bit of security, deserve neither liberty nor security. They don`t understand that all of these things are just a false sense of security, so now they have less freedom and still no security. I am more fearful that my own government would make my life a living hell, than any middle eastern man.
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awww...the poor raghead got all his panties in a bunch
Lets not forget why the civilized world is beating the shit out of these savages.
sorry to point this out to you but you are merely exhibiting a mob/tribal mentality. If someone kills our innocents, it doesn't justify that we kill theirs.
Unfortunately with the faulty (but not unfixable) human brain we have, we have an "us / them" mentality that causes us to lose empathy for a whole group of people who are no less human than we are. This is not something to celebrate, but rather something to overcome. Torture and killing of people is unacceptable, period.
The irony of wishing pain on innocent people cuz our own innocents died is inescapable.
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People who sacrifice their liberties for a bit of security, deserve neither liberty nor security. They don`t understand that all of these things are just a false sense of security, so now they have less freedom and still no security. I am more fearful that my own government would make my life a living hell, than any middle eastern man.
You're awfully concerned about America , we don't need a Brazilian to tell us how fucked up our country is , we already know.
And Jon Jones destroys another Brazilian legend ;)
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horrible. i would rather blow myself up than end up like that.
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Some of you dipshits are mindless monsters.
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IMOP they're doing bloodline testing/torcher at GTMO and then disposing the bodies. GTMO isn't a prison but a lab. Fukced up. Supposedly underground tunnels and shit.
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You're awfully concerned about America , we don't need a Brazilian to tell us how fucked up our country is , we already know.
And Jon Jones destroys another Brazilian legend ;)
Destroy? hmmmmm, let's see some facts.
Jones on his prime. Belfort not on his prime.
Belfort went one category up to fight Jones.
Belfort had no time to get ready for the fight, basically he was seating on his ass at home.
First minute during the first round Belfort almost broke Jones arm... almost winning the fight.
It took Jones 4 rounds to finished the fight.
Jones way bigger than Belfort.
Jones should man up and go fight the big boys "heavyweight".
Jones was a pussy for not fighting on UFC 151.
Wow! what a champion?
But i do understand that a win is a win.
Well done champ. ::)
Btw: Jones left the ringue with an sling on his arm. who got destroyed?
Bitch we have 4 UFC belts in Brazil. we dominate the UFC. :-*
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Poor Bastard.
Atleast he has deflowed a few of his 72 virgins by now
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IMOP they're doing bloodline testing/torcher at GTMO and then disposing the bodies. GTMO isn't a prison but a lab. Fukced up. Supposedly underground tunnels and shit.
wow. with arabs? why?? I have to do some reading I guess..
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" Lured to Pakistan by the promise of cheap healthcare, once the war started he ended up caught in the dragnet of opportunistic bounty hunters who detained him, proclaimed him a terrorist and handed him over to the US military in neighbouring Afghanistan."
PMSL - sounds innocent to me - just went to Pakistan to take advantage of their excellent stone-age medical services.
Apparently they have some of the best trepanning and bloodletting doctors in the world.
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To all these morons saying fuck him, realize that if you are white the hierarchy is sending a big fuck you message to you. They are seeking to replace and genocide your ass.
Fucked by fella zionist
Zionism: Pitting The West Against Islam
http://rense.com/general74/zzn.htm (http://rense.com/general74/zzn.htm)
You got that right, these dumb fuck whites distracted by 'Football' and NBA dont realize these ZIONISTS have them brainwashed and control them.
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IMOP they're doing bloodline testing/torcher at GTMO and then disposing the bodies. GTMO isn't a prison but a lab. Fukced up. Supposedly underground tunnels and shit.
(http://isurvived.org/Pictures_iSurvived-4/mengele2.GIF)
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Destroy? hmmmmm, let's see some facts.
Jones on his prime. Belfort not on his prime.
Belfort went one category up to fight Jones.
Belfort had no time to get ready for the fight, basically he was seating on his ass at home.
First minute during the first round Belfort almost broke Jones arm... almost winning the fight.
It took Jones 4 rounds to finished the fight.
Jones way bigger than Belfort.
Jones should man up and go fight the big boys "heavyweight".
Jones was a pussy for not fighting on UFC 151.
Wow! what a champion?
But i do understand that a win is a win.
Well done champ. ::)
Btw: Jones left the ringue with an sling on his arm. who got destroyed?
Bitch we have 4 UFC belts in Brazil. we dominate the UFC. :-*
I knew you would melt lol ;D
Machida , Rua , Belfort , Gusmão , NEXT
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wow. with arabs? why?? I have to do some reading I guess..
Gitmo's been doing this for a long time, not just with arabs. They are testing different torture methods, different drugs etc... They litteraly turn the prisoners into psychos with their techniques then try other techniques to un-psycho them.
You hear about the CIA talking about rendition but the military used this facility and still do.
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LOL !!! ;D
homeboy, america is far from perfect, but i guarantee you this country is a thousand light years ahead of your own in terms of respecting peoples humanity and treating people fairly.
we might be a fucked up place by some standard, but that aint the world standard; by the world standard were a fucking utopia!! and were giving billions in aid to countries all over the world, helping set up democracy and bringing the values of individual liberty and freedom to the world.
all in all, your a delusional fuck!!! ;D ;D
brah you're disconnected from reality
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I am not sure what is sadder: what happened to him or how some people on this site think.
I wonder myself. It's pretty common to see death threats flying on this site. I had to familiarize myself with the demagogue culture here took a while
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" Lured to Pakistan by the promise of cheap healthcare, once the war started he ended up caught in the dragnet of opportunistic bounty hunters who detained him, proclaimed him a terrorist and handed him over to the US military in neighbouring Afghanistan."
PMSL - sounds innocent to me - just went to Pakistan to take advantage of their excellent stone-age medical services.
Apparently they have some of the best trepanning and bloodletting doctors in the world.
You realize the rest of the world is not as much of a shithole as the US? The US doesn't have a monopoly on medicine or health care.
If anything, it's pretty common in the US for patients to end up on the street.
I've lived in Arab countries (mind you pakistan is not arab), and they have some pretty amazing hospitals and doctors... but you don't hear about them because all you think is "DEM AYRAB RAGHEADS" and your ignorance blinds you from reality
People are making due despite secular dictators and constant wars raged by the wild US
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16 and 17 year old Afghans tortured in Bagram prison
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Gitmo's been doing this for a long time, not just with arabs. They are testing different torture methods, different drugs etc... They litteraly turn the prisoners into psychos with their techniques then try other techniques to un-psycho them.
You hear about the CIA talking about rendition but the military used this facility and still do.
fascinating. havent done much reading on gtmo but ive seen the docu on Omar Khadr, the kid who was accused of throwing the grenade at those marines around 2002. A canadian interrogator broke him down mentally over the period of weeks until he collapsed, admitting defeat just to get out of there. very very sad to watch the interrogation.
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fascinating. havent done much reading on gtmo but ive seen the docu on Omar Khadr, the kid who was accused of throwing the grenade at those marines around 2002. A canadian interrogator broke him down mentally over the period of weeks until he collapsed, admitting defeat just to get out of there. very very sad to watch the interrogation.
Sounds like he shouldn't have thrown a grenade at the Marines. ;D
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Sounds like he shouldn't have thrown a grenade at the Marines. ;D
sounds like you should die of cancer and aids
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sounds like you should die of cancer and aids
Sounds like you love the cock, a_ahomo.
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Sounds like you love the cock, a_ahomo.
I like chicken
(http://my_sarisari_store.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/cock_negros.jpg)
Oh and I am not homosexual :) Happily married to my wife and against gays :)
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Sounds like he shouldn't have thrown a grenade at the Marines. ;D
'allegedly' threw the grenade. I believe they forced him into admittance whether he did it or not.
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'allegedly' threw the grenade. I believe they forced him into admittance whether he did it or not.
Well, sounds like he's guilty then. :D
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Well, sounds like he's guilty then. :D
You will die from aids and cancer God willing :D
Now if only they would release that poor child. More and more is coming out. The mainstream media is on overdrive in terms of brainwashing the masses though. It will backfire as usual of course.
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In fact I hope all of the ones responsible for torture get cancer and aids and die miserable despicable deaths in their own fesces.
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You will die from aids and cancer God willing :D
Now if only they would release that poor child. More and more is coming out. The mainstream media is on overdrive in terms of brainwashing the masses though. It will backfire as usual of course.
Well, that's better than death via suicide bombing of a religious orphanage, which we all know is in your future.
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I'm sure all those Gitmo detainees are just a bunch of innocent farmers that the evil imperialst americans wrongfully accused in order to carry out their racist oil grab. ::)
I have no sympathy for any of those peices of shit. Jihadists wanted the ruckus brought on them and we obliged them. Crying and playing the victim is just part of their plan. They fly commercial jet planes into the World Trade, they saw off peoples heads on video, they suicide bomb for Allah but they are the victims. Boo fucking hoo.
I'm not a fan of Gitmo though. I'd rather that we just vaporize all these combatants with a little canned sunshine. No fucking prisoners.
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I'm sure all those Gitmo detainees are just a bunch of innocent farmers that the evil imperialst americans wrongfully accused in order to carry out their racist oil grab. ::)
I have no sympathy for any of those peices of shit. Jihadists wanted the ruckus brought on them and we obliged them. Crying and playing the victim is just part of their plan. They fly commercial jet planes into the World Trade, they saw off peoples heads on video, they suicide bomb for Allah but they are the victims. Boo fucking hoo.
I'm not a fan of Gitmo though. I'd rather that we just vaporize all these combatants with a little canned sunshine. No fucking prisoners.
They are innocent until proven guilty. Your government is too scared to give them an honest day on court, even after torturing them for 11 years. Conclusion: most, if not all, are indeed innocent. And you, as an american, clearly have absolutely no faith in your own justice system.
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They are innocent until proven guilty. Your government is too scared to give them an honest day on court, even after torturing them for 11 years. Conclusion: most, if not all, are indeed innocent. And you, as an american, clearly have absolutely no faith in your own justice system.
Wrong
American citizens are innocent until proven guilty. People captured on the battlefield waging war against US troops aren't entitled to those rights, they are entitled to die. Taking prisoners leads to a lot more problems than the intel is worth. That's why I advocate that we slay all these motherfuckers and save ourselves the hassle. Also, we've seen what happens to the people that Islamists take prisoners. They get their fucking heads sawed off on video. There is no presumed innocence for them, there is no day in court. There is only a brutal death. I just think we should return the favor to these hypocrites.
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Conclusion: most, if not all, are indeed innocent
Thats a huge leap of logic. Care to back up that claim?
I'm don't believe that we should not give these guys a fair trial.... but what you said is just ridiculous. I'm sure there are probably some people in Gitmo that may not be guilty, and they should be given their day in court... but most if not all? Yeah, no.
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Wrong
American citizens are innocent until proven guilty. People captured on the battlefield waging war against US troops aren't entitled to those rights, they are entitled to die. Taking prisoners leads to a lot more problems than the intel is worth. That's why I advocate that we slay all these motherfuckers and save ourselves the hassle. Also, we've seen what happens to the people that Islamists take prisoners. They get their fucking heads sawed off on video. There is no presumed innocence for them, there is no day in court. There is only a brutal death. I just think we should return the favor to these hypocrites.
Hey that's funny! Sounds like America is doing what the communists once did to US soldiers ??? Capture soldiers then torture, beat, abuse, etc... Even though these people are not soldiers but civillians from Afghanistan, Pakistan, UK, etc...
We live in funny times. Where real criminals walk free and innoscent people are arrested and held for years under torture with no trials or evidence.
The US has invented a new thing. Guilty until proven innoscent. Western citizens are being arrested and held as guilty until somehow magically they can prove their innoscence.
Torture and forced confessions are the norm.
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Hey that's funny! Sounds like America is doing what the communists once did to US soldiers ??? Capture soldiers then torture, beat, abuse, etc... Even though these people are not soldiers but civillians from Afghanistan, Pakistan, UK, etc...
We live in funny times. Where real criminals walk free and innoscent people are arrested and held for years under torture with no trials or evidence.
The US has invented a new thing. Guilty until proven innoscent. Western citizens are being arrested and held as guilty until somehow magically they can prove their innoscence.
Torture and forced confessions are the norm.
I find it interesting that you want to shit on the US for how they treat prisoners. Would you indulge me a bit an talk about how these Islamists treat their POWs? All that sawing off of heads, is that cgi special effects? A misunderstanding? They stone their women to death when they are accused of adultery or when they've been raped. Yeah those Muslims are just the picture of fairness and rightousness.
It's total hypocrisy to carry on and on about US "torture" in regards to these animals. They are the most brutal and intolerant people in the world and they piss and moan about the US being brutal and intolerant. Pot, meet kettle. You reap what you fucking sow and if Muslims don't like how they are being treated then perhaps they should look in the mirror. But they won't. They are too busy being professional victims. Boo hoo hoo.
Yeah the USA invented "guilty until proven innocent". Yeah right. Seeing as how the USA has only been around for about 230 years I don't see how that's possible. I'd put our constitution up against anyones when it comes to freedom and liberty for the average citizen. There is no comparison between us and those stone aged muslims. I think they are just jealous because their civilization has literally stood still for thousands of years. They must not be too bright. They are also mad because we have Megan Fox and they have to fuck their goats. Fucking haters.
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The constitution has become toilette paper. Patriot act and all the other 'terrorism' 'security' laws over ride anything constitutional.
Indeed the US has introduce draconian laws that make a US citizen a legitimate target of assassination and torture legalized. Making someone 'dissapear' in internationally held cia prison camps. Locking someone up and forgetting about them. Yes since 911 masses of people have been arrested with no evidence and held for up to 10 years and some even more without any charge or evidence. They were held and forgotten or held until proven innoscent.
There are numerous examples of US captured soldiers, journalists, etc.. and they were not tortured but kept captive until released. All of their interviews I've watched demonstrated that they were taken care of, although initially they were fearful for their lives (naturally) but taken care of none the less and talked to like a human being, even while the opposing soldiers were having dinner they would let the prisoner eat and sit with them and not be treated like an animal like western torture prisons do.
One just has to listen to the stories of all the ex-US detainees and how they were tortured physically, mentally, psychologically, in every which way with some of the most demented and sick means that one cannot even start to begin imagining. In other words, it takes someone trully mentally sick to even come up with these torture 'techniques' and means.
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You ignored everything I wrote and just continued on with your hypocritical BS. What a surprise. ::)
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In time of actual war, great discretionary powers are constantly given to the Executive Magistrate. Constant apprehension of War, has the same tendency to render the head too large for the body. A standing military force, with an overgrown Executive will not long be safe companions to liberty. The means of defence against foreign danger have been always the instruments of tyranny at home. Among the Romans it was a standing maxim to excite a war, whenever a revolt was apprehended. Throughout all Europe, the armies kept up under the pretext of defending, have enslaved the people. - James Madison
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After ten years of torture as a child. Khadr has finally been brought back home.
God willing he'll be free soon.
America only knows how to torture and hurt people.
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After ten years of torture as a child. Khadr has finally been brought back home.
God willing he'll be free soon.
America only knows how to torture and hurt people.
Fuck him and his family, they slam Canada all the time yet live off the welfare system here, our medicare and so on. And his stupid brother in the wheelcair is an obnoxious cokehead. You also forgot to mention how his family was good friend with Osama Bin Laden and how both him and his father were serving under him during the time of his arrest. That family and the kids were being trained from infancy for this shit, all the while the family was going back and forth between Canada and Pakistan, etc, only returning to Canada like a few other "Canadians of convenience" to raise money for thier bullshit and use our medical system for free.
http://www.danielpipes.org/1639/the-khadrs-canadas-first-family-of-terrorism
http://www.globalnews.ca/khadr+family+history/44206/story.html
http://www.cbc.ca/news/background/khadr/
http://www.thestar.com/news/gta/article/1264434--khadr-family-evades-media-at-their-scarborough-highrise-home
http://www.thestar.com/specialsections/omarkhadr/article/495388--khadr-family-launches-website-in-publicity-bid-for-omar
http://www.torontosun.com/2012/09/29/toronto-reaction-to-the-return-of-omar-khadr
http://www.torontosun.com/2012/09/29/return-of-khadr-doesnt-make-mother-of-fallen-soldier-happy
http://www.torontosun.com/2012/09/30/terrorists-see-canada-as-safe-haven-expert
Yeah these are lovely people and we are so very happy to have them here indeed.
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so its like the kid was used as a mule or put there to take falls for the cause. now lets see how long he lasts in Millhaven before he gets shanked.
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People captured on the battlefield waging war against US troops aren't entitled to those rights, they are entitled to die.
Wrong, the US has signed the Geneva convention. It wipes its ass with it whenever convenient, but it has signed it. So either combatants are killed, or they are captured and tried. You can't do both without being a total hypocrite.
http://www1.umn.edu/humanrts/instree/y3gctpw.htm
Also, we've seen what happens to the people that Islamists take prisoners. They get their fucking heads sawed off on video.
True, their PR isn't as good. They should just torture and kill behind closed doors, like the US. It's much better for morale that way. ::)
There is no presumed innocence for them, there is no day in court. There is only a brutal death. I just think we should return the favor to these hypocrites.
Fine by me. But why then do americans always cry when american invading soldiers are captured and killed by the local populace? What do you expect? Would you want those american soldiers to be treated nicely? If yes, then great, let both sides be gentlemanly. If not, then stop whining when local people kill your precious invading soldiers.
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Thats a huge leap of logic. Care to back up that claim?
I'm don't believe that we should not give these guys a fair trial.... but what you said is just ridiculous. I'm sure there are probably some people in Gitmo that may not be guilty, and they should be given their day in court... but most if not all? Yeah, no.
All right, let's meet in the middle. I don't know if most are innocent. You don't know most are guilty. Why don't we know? Because they aren't being tried in court. Any court. So we will never know for sure.
Imagine the good PR for the US is they were all tried and convicted! Of course, not even trying to get them convincted in a kangaroo court is highly suspect IMO. If you can't convict them in a closed military tribunal with a rookie defense attorney, then evidence must be severely lacking.
Plus I can understand that they don't want to release these people now. If I were innocent going in, I'd certainly become a terrorist after being unjustly detained and tortured for 11 years! So the most practical way would be to kill them all, and close Guantanamo and similar locations. Not humane, but practical.
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Which side? Muslims have proven they are willing to die for their religion. Catholics fuck little boys. Who wins in this fight?
You are really stupid eh?
Christians have died for their country and faith for two thousand years.
A small percentage of evil catholics and other christians committed child sex offences. The prophet Mohammed was a pedophile and millions of muslims have sex with children as a CULTURAL NORM.
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You realize the rest of the world is not as much of a shithole as the US? The US doesn't have a monopoly on medicine or health care.
If anything, it's pretty common in the US for patients to end up on the street.
I've lived in Arab countries (mind you pakistan is not arab), and they have some pretty amazing hospitals and doctors... but you don't hear about them because all you think is "DEM AYRAB RAGHEADS" and your ignorance blinds you from reality
People are making due despite secular dictators and constant wars raged by the wild US
Actually, Bangkoks Bumrungrad Hospital is FULL of Arabs coming for treatment.
medical care can't be that hot over there or Bumrungrad wouldn't have been able to build a new 15 storey addition to their hospital off the back of the A-Rabs
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prophet Mohammad was a fuckin idiot