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Title: Phill heath on regarding Strength and his training / Branch warren
Post by: mesmorph78 on September 24, 2012, 05:27:25 PM
When do you typically train, and do you try to stick to the same schedule?

I try to train late. I'm doing extra cardio now. Right now I train during the day. I'm assuming I'll be training during the day when I'm in Vegas, so right now I'm trying to get used to that schedule.
That's one thing some people are critical of when they see your videos online—that you don't train crazy or lift heavy like, say, Branch Warren.




Do you think that is accurate?

I think I train hard and heavier than what most people think. I'm not trying to train with massive amounts of weights. I'm also not trying to get hurt.
I think if they watched my DVDs and see the pre-online content they'd see more of it. When I'm close to the show I use mostly machines to not get injured. In my offseason, I'll train heavier but I'm trying not to get hurt. I train as smart as I can. I'm not concerned what others think. I do what works for me.


You've successfully avoided major injury in your bodybuilding career. What's the key to not getting injured?

We all have tweaks, but my ability to recover is remarkable. I know my limits and those produce good results. You have to use proper form and good technique.
Title: Re: Phill heath on regarding Strength and his training / Branch warren
Post by: The_Hammer on September 24, 2012, 05:30:54 PM
I wonder what his max lifts are.  Someone as big as him should at least be able to bench 500+, Deadlift 800, and squat 700-800.
Title: Re: Phill heath on regarding Strength and his training / Branch warren
Post by: HappyGorilla on September 24, 2012, 05:47:29 PM
Why anyone would risk injury to be strong when you can get better results without it. Worst thing I ever did was lift heavy for years. Give me a weight I can hit for 10-15 reps, high volume, and I don't give a fuck if I am lifting the lightest weights in the gym. The whole hardcore mentality is for kids. If you enjoy it so be it. But training not to get injured, or at least minimize it is the smartest thing you can do. It's about longevity, and looking good, not I lifted this much weight to impress some dumb fuck I don't even care about. He gets injured his whole lively hood is gone.

The reality is you don't have to deadlift or squat, or barbell bench either.
Title: Re: Phill heath on regarding Strength and his training / Branch warren
Post by: #1 Klaus fan on September 24, 2012, 05:50:57 PM
I wonder what his max lifts are.  Someone as big as him should at least be able to bench 500+, Deadlift 800, and squat 700-800.

He has a tiny frame. No way he is super strong.
Title: Re: Phill heath on regarding Strength and his training / Branch warren
Post by: mesmorph78 on September 24, 2012, 05:58:48 PM
Agree with heath... I think lifti g heavy with GOOD form is key....
when you look at branch and johnnie training...  :-\ ..bad... very bad
Title: Re: Phill heath on regarding Strength and his training / Branch warren
Post by: mesmorph78 on September 24, 2012, 06:02:43 PM
He has a tiny frame. No way he is super strong.
he is quite strong actually....
watch his vids....
techinacALLYy in IMO stronger than branch.... simply because branch never does any lift properly


Title: Re: Phill heath on regarding Strength and his training / Branch warren
Post by: Red Hook on September 24, 2012, 06:07:01 PM
Agree with heath... I think lifti g heavy with GOOD form is key....
when you look at branch and johnnnyie training...  :-\ ..bad... very bad


so, you are saying that if branch and johnnie used proper form that they would be stronger and get better muscle growth results?

you now more about what works for them than they do
Title: Re: Phill heath on regarding Strength and his training / Branch warren
Post by: OTHstrong on September 24, 2012, 06:10:17 PM
I wonder what his max lifts are.  Someone as big as him should at least be able to bench 500+, Deadlift 800, and squat 700-800.
wow you have the IQ of a peanut, always manage to incorporate a lie in your thread title and now you have proven your lack of knowledge as what number are used among bodybuilders. Take a 100 people Phil's size and only a few will pull an 800 and squat 800, those are fucken insane numbers and are world class figures. The bench, well that one you may have gotten right.
Title: Re: Phill heath on regarding Strength and his training / Branch warren
Post by: OTHstrong on September 24, 2012, 06:15:06 PM
he is quite strong actually....
watch his vids....
techinacALLYy in IMO stronger than branch.... simply because branch never does any lift properly



No way in hell Phil is stronger then Branch. Cmon bro stop exaggerating. With proper form Branch's numbers would not drop that much
Title: Re: Phill heath on regarding Strength and his training / Branch warren
Post by: The_Hammer on September 24, 2012, 06:21:56 PM
wow you have the IQ of a peanut, always manage to incorporate a lie in your thread title and now you have proven your lack of knowledge as what number are used among bodybuilders. Take a 100 people Phil's size and only a few will pull an 800 and squat 800, those are fucken insane numbers and are world class figures. The bench, well that one you may have gotten right.

Heath is 280 off season.  He should be able to pull 800 and squat 700 at that bodyweight with the amount of muscle he has.
Title: Re: Phill heath on regarding Strength and his training / Branch warren
Post by: OTHstrong on September 24, 2012, 06:26:03 PM
Heath is 280 off season.  He should be able to pull 800 and squat 700 at that bodyweight with the amount of muscle he has.
Ronnie was 320 and is considered the strongest bodybuilder of all time because he pulled 800 so WTF are you talking about
Title: Re: Phill heath on regarding Strength and his training / Branch warren
Post by: hardgainerj on September 24, 2012, 06:28:55 PM
he is quite strong actually....
watch his vids....
techinacALLYy in IMO stronger than branch.... simply because branch never does any lift properly



lol thats an incline press not a military press
Title: Re: Phill heath on regarding Strength and his training / Branch warren
Post by: mesmorph78 on September 24, 2012, 06:29:24 PM
No way in hell Phil is stronger then Branch. Cmon bro stop exaggerating. With proper form Branch's numbers would not drop that much
you sure ive seen a vid with heath inlining 160's 170's easy
shoulder pressing 130 1402
id pay to see johnny or branch do that with proper form
even dexter on bfto repped 405 proper or...i would pay to see branch do it proper form..... for 10 reps
most of branch lifts are pure momentum
seated military presses and the guy is standing and leaning back on the bench
Title: Re: Phill heath on regarding Strength and his training / Branch warren
Post by: mesmorph78 on September 24, 2012, 06:30:04 PM
lol thats an incline press not a military press
a STANDING incline press .. with momentum all the way
Title: Re: Phill heath on regarding Strength and his training / Branch warren
Post by: hardgainerj on September 24, 2012, 06:31:10 PM
a STANDING incline press .. with momentum all the way
is phil the only popular BB that still doesnt a standing military?
Title: Re: Phill heath on regarding Strength and his training / Branch warren
Post by: The_Hammer on September 24, 2012, 06:38:53 PM
Ronnie was 320 and is considered the strongest bodybuilder of all time because he pulled 800 so WTF are you talking about

Ronnie was 270 in The Unbelievable when he pulled 800.  Honestly I'm surprised Ron didn't pull more considering how much muscle mass he had.
Title: Re: Phill heath on regarding Strength and his training / Branch warren
Post by: Moen on September 24, 2012, 06:40:01 PM
Why anyone would risk injury to be strong when you can get better results without it. Worst thing I ever did was lift heavy for years. Give me a weight I can hit for 10-15 reps, high volume, and I don't give a fuck if I am lifting the lightest weights in the gym. The whole hardcore mentality is for kids. If you enjoy it so be it. But training not to get injured, or at least minimize it is the smartest thing you can do. It's about longevity, and looking good, not I lifted this much weight to impress some dumb fuck I don't even care about. He gets injured his whole lively hood is gone.

The reality is you don't have to deadlift or squat, or barbell bench either.

Best BB training related post ever. Everyone take note!
Title: Re: Phill heath on regarding Strength and his training / Branch warren
Post by: mesmorph78 on September 24, 2012, 06:47:08 PM
Ronnie was 320 and is considered the strongest bodybuilder of all time because he pulled 800 so WTF are you talking about
he pulled it at 280 see ronnie coleman the unbelievable....  weeks out rom the mr o 2000
Title: Re: Phill heath on regarding Strength and his training / Branch warren
Post by: OTHstrong on September 24, 2012, 06:50:02 PM
he pulled it at 280 see ronnie coleman the unbelievable....  weeks out rom the mr o 2000
OK fine but doesn't change the fact that he is the exception
Title: Re: Phill heath on regarding Strength and his training / Branch warren
Post by: hardgainerj on September 24, 2012, 06:50:50 PM


The reality is you don't have to deadlift or squat, or barbell bench either.
because machines like the leg press are just dandy subsitutes ::)
Title: Re: Phill heath on regarding Strength and his training / Branch warren
Post by: mesmorph78 on September 24, 2012, 06:51:36 PM
OK fine but doesn't change the fact that he is the exception
agree
Title: Re: Phill heath on regarding Strength and his training / Branch warren
Post by: The_Hammer on September 24, 2012, 07:04:12 PM
because machines like the leg press are just dandy subsitutes ::)

Nothing wrong with leg press.  I was just reading an old article by Gherrit Badenhorst where he advocates leg press!
Title: Re: Phill heath on regarding Strength and his training / Branch warren
Post by: hardgainerj on September 24, 2012, 07:08:52 PM
Nothing wrong with leg press.  I was just reading an old article by Gherrit Badenhorst where he advocates leg press!
keep reading
Title: Re: Phill heath on regarding Strength and his training / Branch warren
Post by: mesmorph78 on September 24, 2012, 08:03:10 PM
keep reading

 ;D
leg presses cannot replace squats....
Title: Re: Phill heath on regarding Strength and his training / Branch warren
Post by: The_Hammer on September 24, 2012, 10:44:11 PM
;D
leg presses cannot replace squats....

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Title: Re: Phill heath on regarding Strength and his training / Branch warren
Post by: Nomad on September 24, 2012, 10:50:27 PM
he is quite strong actually....
watch his vids....
techinacALLYy in IMO stronger than branch.... simply because branch never does any lift properly




also branch tore his pecs, biceps and triceps...
Title: Re: Phill heath on regarding Strength and his training / Branch warren
Post by: mesmorph78 on September 24, 2012, 10:55:27 PM
also branch tore his pecs, biceps and triceps...
And he still can't let go of the ego training
Title: Re: Phill heath on regarding Strength and his training / Branch warren
Post by: Nails on September 24, 2012, 11:17:18 PM
Branch is all momentum, 1/3 reps, bounce, and swing.

Title: Re: Phill heath on regarding Strength and his training / Branch warren
Post by: Nomad on September 24, 2012, 11:31:35 PM
And he still can't let go of the ego training

You'd think he would have learned by now. Drugs don't make you invulnerable to injuries, they just help you build more muscle/stronger tendons so you can lift heavier. Branch used to have an amazing chest but now it looks really bad in some poses, especially most muscular.

(http://www.nowhavefun.com/celebritypictures/d/29326-1/13+Branch+Warren+wallpaper.jpg)

(http://www.pinreach.com/cache/f6878bcd7b30265836da789049619557_w500_h450_cp_sc.jpg)
Title: Re: Phill heath on regarding Strength and his training / Branch warren
Post by: Nomad on September 24, 2012, 11:37:17 PM
Holy shit, I never noticed this before but he has partial tears in both his pecs.
Title: Re: Phill heath on regarding Strength and his training / Branch warren
Post by: mesmorph78 on September 25, 2012, 03:53:03 AM
Chest used to look great  good shale
Title: Re: Phill heath on regarding Strength and his training / Branch warren
Post by: Frank Clairmonte on September 25, 2012, 03:59:52 AM
branchs face changed DRAMATICALY.
Title: Re: Phill heath on regarding Strength and his training / Branch warren
Post by: Figo on September 25, 2012, 04:12:44 AM
Branch will be vindicated soon

Then everyone will be trying to emulate his training style
Title: Re: Phill heath on regarding Strength and his training / Branch warren
Post by: mesmorph78 on September 25, 2012, 04:33:15 AM
doesnt matter if hes leaning back a bit, its still all the load on the shoulders, try it yourself.

on the lower part, chest will be involved,yeah, but mid and top range its all shoulders.

as for momentum, well, the momentum didnt fall out of the clear blue sky into the movement, its muscle power behind that.

he dont use proper form, agreed, but so what, it kinda works for him.

just bc when a bench is flat doesnt make it the best natural chest movement for everyone.

same goes for shoulder press, theres no rule for everyone at what angle the lift must happen.






Don't agree....
He isn't standing up fully that would make the move harder
He is have standing half sitting back braced using his lower body to help to jerk the weight up half incline but standing that is bollox
If I used that technique even I could throw 315 up for a rep or 2 and I'm weak on shoulders if I tried to sit properly and do that ... Not gonna happen
Lets see branch sit and actually press the weight properly or stand and do it properly

Title: Re: Phill heath on regarding Strength and his training / Branch warren
Post by: mesmorph78 on September 25, 2012, 04:45:30 AM
Phil is 100% right
i like to move heavy weight but not if im doing the movement 80% wrong
how can you do a seated military press and your half standing....

or a cable curl and you are literally jumping off the floor....

I see phil stringing sandows togetehr because he is smrt
also i think he is a lot stronger than people think.
Title: Re: Phill heath on regarding Strength and his training / Branch warren
Post by: Jaime on September 25, 2012, 04:48:04 AM
wow you have the IQ of a peanut, always manage to incorporate a lie in your thread title and now you have proven your lack of knowledge as what number are used among bodybuilders. Take a 100 people Phil's size and only a few will pull an 800 and squat 800, those are fucken insane numbers and are world class figures. The bench, well that one you may have gotten right.


QFT. That little confused homo is without a doubt the worst poster on this site.
Title: Re: Phill heath on regarding Strength and his training / Branch warren
Post by: d0nny2600 on September 25, 2012, 05:31:11 AM
Phil is 100% right
i like to move heavy weight but not if im doing the movement 80% wrong
how can you do a seated military press and your half standing....

or a cable curl and you are literally jumping off the floor....

I see phil stringing sandows togetehr because he is smrt
also i think he is a lot stronger than people think.

I wish you could string sentences together
Title: Re: Phill heath on regarding Strength and his training / Branch warren
Post by: mesmorph78 on September 25, 2012, 05:37:21 AM
I wish you could string sentences together
;D
On the iPhone brother
When I need to I can  ;)
Title: Re: Phill heath on regarding Strength and his training / Branch warren
Post by: d0nny2600 on September 25, 2012, 05:40:58 AM
;D
On the iPhone brother
When I need to I can  ;)
:D All in good fun buddy
Title: Re: Phill heath on regarding Strength and his training / Branch warren
Post by: bigmikecox on September 25, 2012, 07:04:59 AM
He has a tiny frame. No way he is super strong.

He has a Sandow and will likely get another one Saturday. Who cares how strong he is
Title: Re: Phill heath on regarding Strength and his training / Branch warren
Post by: Ronnie Rep on September 25, 2012, 08:32:40 AM
I wonder what his max lifts are.  Someone as big as him should at least be able to bench 500+, Deadlift 800, and squat 700-800.
He is a bodybuilder not a powerlifter!
Title: Re: Phill heath on regarding Strength and his training / Branch warren
Post by: hardgainerj on September 25, 2012, 09:29:36 AM
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whats your point
Title: Re: Phill heath on regarding Strength and his training / Branch warren
Post by: The_Hammer on September 25, 2012, 12:43:29 PM
whats your point

Dorian didn't squat.
Title: Re: Phill heath on regarding Strength and his training / Branch warren
Post by: 50_REPS on September 25, 2012, 01:02:35 PM
Dorian didn't squat.

Squating is by far the best exercise you can do.....period, although with the right routine leg press can be very nasty as well.

Try leg pressing a weight you can do 20 reps with some difficulty and do it for 50 reps.

Pound out 20 reps with no rest, then lock out and take 3 deep breaths, then 5 more, then lock out 3 deep breaths and 5 more, continue until you get through to 50 reps.

Two sets is all you'll need and walk out of the gym you're done.

I'm all about form, so knees in armpits throughout the set.

my 2 cents
Title: Re: Phill heath on regarding Strength and his training / Branch warren
Post by: Fortress on September 25, 2012, 01:02:39 PM
I wonder what his max lifts are.  Someone as big as him should at least be able to bench 500+, Deadlift 800, and squat 700-800.

You're a fuckturd.

Those numbers are gigantic. Especially the deadlift and squat. Even for a high-level strength athlete. I mean, as is, VERY few powerlifters at the very top can achieve those numbers without lifting/support gear.

Unbelievable ignorance all over this board.
Title: Re: Phill heath on regarding Strength and his training / Branch warren
Post by: Fortress on September 25, 2012, 01:05:30 PM
Ronnie was 270 in The Unbelievable when he pulled 800.  Honestly I'm surprised Ron didn't pull more considering how much muscle mass he had.

You do realize muscle mass is the lesser of the absolute strength equation, right?
Title: Re: Phill heath on regarding Strength and his training / Branch warren
Post by: Fortress on September 25, 2012, 01:07:58 PM
You'd think he would have learned by now. Drugs don't make you invulnerable to injuries, they just help you build more muscle/stronger tendons so you can lift heavier. Branch used to have an amazing chest but now it looks really bad in some poses, especially most muscular.

Wrong

It's why so many injure themselves when they use anabolic steroids. The muscles become stronger than the connective tissues can handle.

Some of you should start paying those of us with some knowledge, seriously.
Title: Re: Phill heath on regarding Strength and his training / Branch warren
Post by: 50_REPS on September 25, 2012, 01:10:04 PM
how is that good form?

that would cause your spine to flex

True that, your spine would certainly flex, but  nothing wrong with that, it's made to do so......
Title: Re: Phill heath on regarding Strength and his training / Branch warren
Post by: Fortress on September 25, 2012, 01:11:11 PM
Ronnie was 270 in The Unbelievable when he pulled 800.  Honestly I'm surprised Ron didn't pull more considering how much muscle mass he had.

Yeah, because that only several elite powerlifters can pull in the mid-to-late eights doesn't say anything.

You're plain out to lunch.
Title: Re: Phill heath on regarding Strength and his training / Branch warren
Post by: The_Hammer on September 25, 2012, 01:40:07 PM
Squating is by far the best exercise you can do.....period, although with the right routine leg press can be very nasty as well.

Try leg pressing a weight you can do 20 reps with some difficulty and do it for 50 reps.

Pound out 20 reps with no rest, then lock out and take 3 deep breaths, then 5 more, then lock out 3 deep breaths and 5 more, continue until you get through to 50 reps.

Two sets is all you'll need and walk out of the gym you're done.

I'm all about form, so knees in armpits throughout the set.

my 2 cents

Yes high reps for legs is beneficial.  However I feel like a pussy if I don't lift heavy.
Title: Re: Phill heath on regarding Strength and his training / Branch warren
Post by: The_Hammer on September 25, 2012, 01:44:33 PM
Yeah, because that only several elite powerlifters can pull in the mid-to-late eights doesn't say anything.

You're plain out to lunch.

I don't know where you come from, but where I'm from elite is 900.
Title: Re: Phill heath on regarding Strength and his training / Branch warren
Post by: Fortress on September 25, 2012, 03:01:49 PM
I don't know where you come from, but where I'm from elite is 900.

Elite is a designation, not "elite" with a small "e".

For some weight classes, an Elite status is much less than, say, 400, even.

Get it straight or don't play, man.
Title: Re: Phill heath on regarding Strength and his training / Branch warren
Post by: Immortal_Technique on September 25, 2012, 03:33:43 PM
I wonder what his max lifts are.  Someone as big as him should at least be able to bench 500+, Deadlift 800, and squat 700-800.

Why? Says who?

I'd rather be him than an obese dead powerlifter with fucked elbows and knees. I know BB has a million draw backs, but not destroying your back and other joints as much as power-lifting, and not looking like an obese pig, at least for 12 weeks of the year, are major pluses.
Title: Re: Phill heath on regarding Strength and his training / Branch warren
Post by: The_Hammer on September 25, 2012, 08:05:09 PM
Elite is a designation, not "elite" with a small "e".

For some weight classes, an Elite status is much less than, say, 400, even.

Get it straight or don't play, man.

I don't know about any of that, but where I'm from all we do is lift heavy ass weight; no suits or anything fancy, just heavy lifting.