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Title: WTC BLDG. 7
Post by: Wiggs on September 26, 2012, 09:43:07 PM
I'd like you denyers to watch this. And try to come up with a reasonable retort to this.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=owyqt-8RnKI


Title: Re: WTC BLDG. 7
Post by: 240_Iz_Nutz on September 26, 2012, 09:52:39 PM
I don't know what to think about that. Our country is a mess though, and I have always been skeptical of it. I just think something would have come out by now to prove it unless a whole bunch of people got royally paid off. Can you imagine the payday that could be had?


Title: Re: WTC BLDG. 7
Post by: Master Blaster on September 26, 2012, 10:01:30 PM
This government is bunch of clueless idiots and you think they can pull off 9/11? Hahahah, you are fucking dumb, dude. I didn't want to be an asshole about it before, but the fact that you are even still talking about this makes it sound like you are borderline ass-burger autism or maybe have weed related brain damage.


Title: Re: WTC BLDG. 7
Post by: Nails on September 26, 2012, 10:02:46 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=krcNIWPkNzA


Title: Re: WTC BLDG. 7
Post by: Anja on September 26, 2012, 10:05:05 PM
This guy Wiggs is a f-ng Idiot . Many like him though. Hope he goes away !


Title: Re: WTC BLDG. 7
Post by: Nails on September 26, 2012, 10:12:42 PM
This guy Wiggs is a f-ng Idiot . Many like him though. Hope he goes away !


Watch your mouth convict


Title: Re: WTC BLDG. 7
Post by: Nirvana on September 26, 2012, 10:17:15 PM
weather balloon


Title: Re: WTC BLDG. 7
Post by: HavoX on September 26, 2012, 10:21:08 PM
Too long. Any of the buildings of comparable size and mass to the wtc?


Title: Re: WTC BLDG. 7
Post by: cart@@n on September 26, 2012, 10:22:15 PM
This:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ufWggCESyDg


Title: Re: WTC BLDG. 7
Post by: Nails on September 26, 2012, 10:22:34 PM
I heard bush suggested to use the big bad wolf story but got shot down by dick




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Title: Re: WTC BLDG. 7
Post by: Roger Bacon on September 26, 2012, 10:24:24 PM
This government is bunch of clueless idiots and you think they can pull off 9/11? Hahahah, you are fucking dumb, dude. I didn't want to be an asshole about it before, but the fact that you are even still talking about this makes it sound like you are borderline ass-burger autism or maybe have weed related brain damage.

I'm sure the 9/11 Commission mentioned it in their report?

Oh wait, no they didn't.....


Title: Re: WTC BLDG. 7
Post by: skillz on September 26, 2012, 10:42:07 PM
Could mastermind the taking down of the WTC buildings but yet they couldn't plant weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. ::)


Title: Re: WTC BLDG. 7
Post by: sync pulse on September 26, 2012, 10:51:29 PM
There are some technical facts of life in the collapsing of buildings with explosives:

I).  It takes a great many  charges to collapse a building with explosives...
II).  It would have taken months for a crew to;
   A). Expose the structural members...
        1). because the charges have to be actually touching the metal...
        2). the charges have to be placed with milimeter  accuracy because...
        3). the charges are shaped which means the blast goes in one direction, and...
        4). the accurate placement is necessary in order to get the shearing effect on the beams.
III).  The necessary construction/engineering jiggery-pokery of placing hundreds of these charges throughout the structure in the months beforehand attracted no notice on the part of the day to day occupants of the building?...


Title: Re: WTC BLDG. 7
Post by: Disgusted on September 26, 2012, 11:20:21 PM
No way in hell that building fell perfectly straight down into a pile of dust from a fire. It's funny how people will believe anything if they are told a lie enough times.


Title: Re: WTC BLDG. 7
Post by: jwb on September 26, 2012, 11:27:52 PM
Getbig structural engineers on patrol!


Title: Re: WTC BLDG. 7
Post by: Parker on September 26, 2012, 11:42:57 PM
There are some technical facts of life in the collapsing of buildings with explosives:

I).  It takes a great many  charges to collapse a building with explosives...
II).  It would have taken months for a crew to;
   A). Expose the structural members...
        1). because the charges have to be actually touching the metal...
        2). the charges have to be placed with milimeter  accuracy because...
        3). the charges are shaped which means the blast goes in one direction, and...
        4). the accurate placement is necessary in order to get the shearing effect on the beams.
III).  The necessary construction/engineering jiggery-pokery of placing hundreds of these charges throughout the structure in the months beforehand attracted no notice on the part of the day to day occupants of the building?...
You'd be surprised what people DO NOT notice.


Title: Re: WTC BLDG. 7
Post by: pluck on September 27, 2012, 12:20:17 AM
This government is bunch of clueless idiots and you think they can pull off 9/11? Hahahah, you are fucking dumb, dude. I didn't want to be an asshole about it before, but the fact that you are even still talking about this makes it sound like you are borderline ass-burger autism or maybe have weed related brain damage.

The people that conspired this are not the same people who work at the DMV or Social Security office.

The government has been done many things without the public's knowledge only to be exposed decades later. Google the Bay of Pigs or Banana Wars in South America.



Title: Re: WTC BLDG. 7 Conspiracy
Post by: Nomad on September 27, 2012, 12:30:13 AM
Would you assholes stop asking so many god damn questions?

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Title: Re: WTC BLDG. 7 Conspiracy
Post by: Jadeveon Clowney on September 27, 2012, 12:54:45 AM
I'd like you denyers to watch this. And try to come up with a reasonable retort to this.





middle-aged wiggs
sits at home
smokes sum weed
beats his meat
dreams that the enemy is without
and not within
the diseased brain
of fat Milton


Title: Re: WTC BLDG. 7
Post by: Wiggs on September 27, 2012, 02:14:01 AM
This guy Wiggs is a f-ng Idiot . Many like him though. Hope he goes away !


Hear me and hear me well you ficken fotze, you ever speak to me in that manner, or directly again, I'll stomp your pretty little face in got it "zuckerschnecke"?  I've been here 13 years so good luck with me going away sweetheart.  You've just been noticed and that's not a good thing with me.


Title: Re: WTC BLDG. 7
Post by: Wiggs on September 27, 2012, 02:16:26 AM
This government is bunch of clueless idiots and you think they can pull off 9/11? Hahahah, you are fucking dumb, dude. I didn't want to be an asshole about it before, but the fact that you are even still talking about this makes it sound like you are borderline ass-burger autism or maybe have weed related brain damage.

Great reasonable retort dipshit. You didn't get off starting blocks.  You're the kinda guy that spells his name wrong on the SAT. Do us all a favor and go play hide and seek at the bottom of the lake.


Title: Re: WTC BLDG. 7
Post by: BigCyp on September 27, 2012, 02:19:31 AM
Hear me and hear me well you ficken fotze, you ever speak to me in that manner, or directly again, I'll stomp your pretty little face in got it "zuckerschnecke"?

I have a feeling that this 'anja' fellow is no stranger to wiping cum off his forehead with KFC wet wipes Wiggs


Title: Re: WTC BLDG. 7
Post by: Wiggs on September 27, 2012, 02:23:03 AM
I have a feeling that this 'anja' fellow is no stranger to wiping cum off his forehead with KFC wet wipes Wiggs

Anja is female German name...It's c un t were talkin' about here bro.


Title: Re: WTC BLDG. 7
Post by: Jadeveon Clowney on September 27, 2012, 02:30:20 AM
You've just been noticed and that's not a good thing with me.

Oh my!


Title: Re: WTC BLDG. 7
Post by: BigCyp on September 27, 2012, 02:31:54 AM
Anja is female German name...It's c un t were talkin' about here bro.

Lol, well she sounds like a fat moody c unt anyway


Title: Re: WTC BLDG. 7
Post by: Wiggs on September 27, 2012, 02:37:22 AM
You see what the idiots in this thread have failed to do, is exactly what I asked.

Provide a REASONABLE RETORT.  If you noticed in the video at the end. As stated by the experienced, NO FIRE EVER DID THAT TO STEEL. That's coming from EXPERTS, not WIGGS opinion.

Instead of providing a REASONABLE RETORT, you pea brain dipshits, prove NOTHING then insult because you lack critical thinking skills to formulate a REASONABLE RETORT or you others, try and give reasons it's not explosions.

So , let's try this again and see if you can follow instructions this time, REASONABLE RETORT as to this VIDEO. Jesus Christ you some you people are god damned idiots.  This why and how people are able to what they do cause content scumbags like you don't question their governments and are content with doing nothing.


Title: Re: WTC BLDG. 7
Post by: Powerlift66 on September 27, 2012, 02:41:34 AM
Hear me and hear me well you ficken fotze, you ever speak to me in that manner, or directly again, I'll stomp your pretty little face in got it "zuckerschnecke"?  I've been here 13 years so good luck with me going away sweetheart.  You've just been noticed and that's not a good thing with me.

Wiggs owns Noob, Ha ha.. :D


Title: Re: WTC BLDG. 7
Post by: dj181 on September 27, 2012, 02:44:53 AM
I heard bush suggested to use the big bad wolf story but got shot down by dick




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LOL ;D ;D ;D


Title: Re: WTC BLDG. 7
Post by: dj181 on September 27, 2012, 02:47:08 AM
Great reasonable retort dipshit. You didn't get off starting blocks.  You're the kinda guy that spells his name wrong on the SAT. Do us all a favor and go play hide and seek at the bottom of the lake.

ouch!


Title: Re: WTC BLDG. 7 Conspiracy
Post by: Wiggs on September 27, 2012, 03:10:32 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MwSc7NPn8Ok


Title: Re: WTC BLDG. 7 Conspiracy
Post by: flipper5470 on September 27, 2012, 06:24:50 AM
Not an engineer or anything, nor have I bothered to investigate the conspiracy angle as it seems so illogical, but there wasn't just a fire...there were two massive explosions near the building and the seismic activity of two gigantic structures crashing to the ground...not sure how anyone could quantify the structural damage that occured from those events.  So far as windows blowing out...the building is a column of air, if it is collapsing that air has to go somewhere as it's compressed...doesn't it?


Title: Re: WTC BLDG. 7 Conspiracy
Post by: hrspwr on September 27, 2012, 06:40:43 AM
They imploded that building. I was watching the TV when Bloomberg told the reporter live they were going to "pull it". It was on the ground 5 minutes later.


Title: Re: WTC BLDG. 7 Conspiracy
Post by: Hurricane Beef ! on September 27, 2012, 06:47:49 AM
I'd like you denyers to watch this. And try to come up with a reasonable retort to this.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=owyqt-8RnKI

These people believe in voodoo, black magic . . . conspiracy of-coarse follows.

THE BEEF


Title: Re: WTC BLDG. 7
Post by: El Diablo Blanco on September 27, 2012, 06:59:25 AM
There are some technical facts of life in the collapsing of buildings with explosives:

I).  It takes a great many  charges to collapse a building with explosives...
II).  It would have taken months for a crew to;
   A). Expose the structural members...
        1). because the charges have to be actually touching the metal...
        2). the charges have to be placed with milimeter  accuracy because...
        3). the charges are shaped which means the blast goes in one direction, and...
        4). the accurate placement is necessary in order to get the shearing effect on the beams.
III).  The necessary construction/engineering jiggery-pokery of placing hundreds of these charges throughout the structure in the months beforehand attracted no notice on the part of the day to day occupants of the building?...

wow, how wrong you are.


Title: Re: WTC BLDG. 7 Conspiracy
Post by: Voice of Doom on September 27, 2012, 07:04:39 AM
absolute paranoia and absolute enlightenment are two sides of the same coin.

and vice versa.


Title: Re: WTC BLDG. 7
Post by: Overload on September 27, 2012, 07:18:00 AM
Getbig structural engineers on patrol!

I'm a registered Professional Structural Engineer.

That building was a controlled demolition.

It does not take long to rig a building that small with state of the art demolition equipment.


8)


Title: Re: WTC BLDG. 7
Post by: Benny B on September 27, 2012, 07:22:09 AM
This guy Wiggs is a f-ng Idiot . Many like him though. Hope he goes away !

:-X


Title: Re: WTC BLDG. 7 Conspiracy
Post by: viking1 on September 27, 2012, 07:24:01 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BZmSHTiYa2M


Title: Re: WTC BLDG. 7 Conspiracy
Post by: orion on September 27, 2012, 07:24:43 AM
Just follow the money.  Who profited the most from this?  A guy named Larry Silverstein.  Who just happened to up the insurance on the towers weeks before the attacks.  He was strangely absent that day as were quite a few of the major execs and ceos of some big corps.  By the way Larry is trying to argue the attacks were two separate attacks, not one so he will double his payout to over 7 billion.  Larry is also a major supporter of Isreal and has called for the US to annnex Saudi oil fields and install a new government in Iran.  Just saying.


Title: Re: WTC BLDG. 7
Post by: #1 Klaus fan on September 27, 2012, 09:00:10 AM
Could mastermind the taking down of the WTC buildings but yet they couldn't plant weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. ::)

Did they have to plant WoMD in Iraq? They achieved what they wanted, get into Iraq.


Title: Re: WTC BLDG. 7 Conspiracy
Post by: Tito24 on September 27, 2012, 09:07:53 AM
mossad


Title: Re: WTC BLDG. 7
Post by: bighead on September 27, 2012, 09:21:31 AM
I'm a registered Professional Structural Engineer.

That building was a controlled demolition.

It does not take long to rig a building that small with state of the art demolition equipment.


8)
I knew people who worked in that building and they told me security was peculiarly light for a week before it happened.


Title: Re: WTC BLDG. 7 Conspiracy
Post by: Wiggs on September 27, 2012, 09:28:56 AM
If you question the translation, have our resident Dutch getbiggers clarify. BTW, Last July, the guy in the videos below, "died".

"Demolition expert Danny Jowenko, one of world's leading building demolition experts, was killed in a one-car accident last week when his car slammed into a tree. Jowenko received international attention as the expert who unequivocally described the collapse of Building 7 at the World Trade Center on 911 as a "demolition."

Jowenko made the judgment before he knew it was WTC7 he was watching on the video. He commented: "This is a controlled demolition which was carried out by a team of experts."

Jowenko gained further notoriety when former Director of Studies at the US Army War College, Dr. Alan Sabrosky, said in a radio interview in 2010, that his skepticism of the official 911 story was prompted by Jowenko's testimony. Jowenko's death comes three days after Sabrosky gave an exclusive interview to PressTV in which he again reiterated his belief, which he says is common knowledge in some intelligence circles, that elements within both the CIA and Israeli Mossad planned 911. Dr. Sabrosky holds the General of the Army Douglas MacArthur Chair of Research at US Army War College.

He holds that the attacks were planned and executed in order to achieve dovetailing foreign policy goals, foremost the invasion and Balkanization of Iraq. Sabrosky says this has long been a goal among "Neo-conservatives" associated with the think-tank Project for a New American Century (PNAC.)

Dr. Sabrosky's teaching and research appointments also include the United States Military Academy, the Center for Strategic and International Studies (CSIS). He is a Marine Corps Vietnam veteran and a 1986 graduate of the U.S. Army War College.  

Dr. Sabrosky says: Quote:
Only two intelligence agencies had the expertise, assets, access and political protection to execute 9/11 in the air and on the ground: our CIA and Israel's Mossad.

Sabrosky describes hearing Jowenko's analysis as the moment in which he first suspected that what he had been hearing in intelligence circles "was true." Sabrosky has noted that in 1996, an important policy paper was written for Israeli Prime Minister Netanyahu entitled "A Clean Break: A New Strategy for Securing the Realm" which advocated overthrowing Saddam, saying:
Quote:
"Israel can shape its strategic environment, in cooperation with Turkey and Jordan, by weakening, containing, and even rolling back Syria. This effort can focus on removing Saddam Hussein from power in Iraq an important Israeli strategic objective in its own right as a means of foiling Syria's regional ambitions."
The authors of this paper later became key members of George Bush's foreign policy team, almost all of whom were members of Project for a New American Century, including Richard Perle and Douglas Feith. Perle was Chairman of Bush Defense Policy Advisory Committee until 2004. Douglas Feith was Bush's Under Secretary of Defense for Policy. In what many have called a wish for a Pearl Harbor-like attack on American soil such as that which justified the American entrance into World War II, PNAC said in "Rebuilding America's Defenses":
Quote:
"Further, the process of transformation, even if it brings revolutionary change, is likely to be a long one, absent some catastrophic and catalyzing event, like a new Pearl Harbor" - Project for a New American Century, Sept. 2000
Sabrosky says local American veterans' posts hold out the best hope for spurring a new 911 investigation and prosecutions, saying: Quote:
"The real 800 pound gorilla in the US lobbying system is the veterans groups..."
Sabrosky says local veterans' posts can drive the process by asking for investigations and prosecutions through their local television news media. He considers both the national leadership of veterans' organizations and the national media too "bought out."

Jowenko's death comes as the latest of what many 911 Truth advocates call an unlikely string of deaths of key 911 witnesses. The most famous of these is former chief of New York City's Emergency Management Response Team, Barry Jennings , who was the last official out of the Emergency Command Center in WTC 7 before its collapse. Jennings said on camera that he had heard explosions from within the building that he knew were not fuel tanks or boilers, as a former "boiler man."

Earlier this year, former Deputy Assistant Secretary of State under three different administrations Steve R. Pieczenik said in a radio interview that he is prepared to tell a federal grand jury the name of a top general who told him directly that 9/11 was a false flag attack (inside job.) Pieczenik served as the Deputy Assistant Secretary of State under Nixon, Ford and Carter, while also working under Reagan and Bush senior. Pieczenik said in a radio interview:
Quote:
"It was called a stand-down and false flag operation in order to mobilize the American public under the false pretense that we had been attacked by Al Qaeda and bin Laden which is an absolute unmitigated lie. I was even told by a general on the staff of Wolfowitz, I will go in front of a federal committee and swear on perjury who that name was so we can break this open..."
Paul Wolfowitz was one of the cabal in the Bush administration who openly expressed the need for "a new Pearl Harbor," as a member of Project for a New American Century (PNAC.)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k3DRhwRN06I

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sep-HDZoEBM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=boNzLZInbjU


Title: Re: WTC BLDG. 7 Conspiracy
Post by: Jack T. Cross on September 27, 2012, 09:52:14 AM
Funny how things have settled in the past 11 years.  It is now only the most painfully ignorant who would accept the official account.


Title: Re: WTC BLDG. 7 Conspiracy
Post by: Wiggs on September 27, 2012, 10:20:49 AM
Funny how things have settled in the past 11 years.  It is now only the most painfully ignorant who would accept the official account.

It shows you how stupid people have become even with the obvious in front of them. Pathetic sheep.


Title: Re: WTC BLDG. 7 Conspiracy
Post by: Roger Bacon on September 27, 2012, 11:46:16 AM
It shows you how stupid people have become even with the obvious in front of them. Pathetic sheep.

I kind of like the way people are.  The sheep will get what they deserve in the end.


Title: Re: WTC BLDG. 7 Conspiracy
Post by: Jack T. Cross on September 27, 2012, 01:33:52 PM
It shows you how stupid people have become even with the obvious in front of them. Pathetic sheep.

If a person simply looks at the highest decision-makers of that day, and examines the choices these five individuals made--and through outward appearance, of all possible ways independently--the evidence will actually SCREAM at that person.

So I have to wonder why nearly all the websites on 911 center upon ideas such as explosives evidence, vast agencies, etc., things that cannot be conclusively solved beyond reasonable doubt.

(And for anyone who is so ignorant to believe in "liberal media", rather than "divisive/separatist" media, I will tell you that 911 should have buried your ignorance.  This game should have ended the "neoconservative movement", permanently.)


Title: Re: WTC BLDG. 7 Conspiracy
Post by: doriancutlerman on September 27, 2012, 02:23:32 PM
Wiggs,

I really like you man, but I think you're way off base here.

Are you familiar with the name "Michael Wong"?  He's an engineer that's big in the Star Wars discussion community.  He's analyzed all sorts of things that only one or two other Star Wars fans did with the same accuracy and "realism."

His website is www.stardestroyer.net, and it has its own BBS discussion forums.  It's not what it used to be, but if you'd really like to talk to some engineers, physicists and ilk, PM me and I will sponsor your admission to the site.

Long story made short?  Wong will eat any conspiracy theories alive.  He has for years.  He'll make you a believer, too (not that I ever had any doubt ... a near 100,000 ton building + severe kinetic impact + payload of jet fuel = disaster.  And since good old GRAVITY favors things coming straight down, just like a guy dropping a bar on his chest ... well).

The ONLY so-called "evidence" I've ever seen put forth about some measure of fakery afoot was some supposedly "molten" girders deep in the debris.  I saw pics of those girders.  They were NOT melting -- not EVEN close.  Molten metal kinda, y'know, doesn't HOLD SHAPE.  At most, it was heated by a couple hundred Kelvins.  And when insulated by lots of debris, it's small wonder that the heat was trapped -- just like when you cover coals in a fireplace with lots of ash.  The next morning, if you uncover the coals, they'll still glow.  Does that mean that anything ever approached a melting point, let alone near 1900 Celsius?

Nope.

Truly, man, it's just minnows here when it comes to this kind of topic.  Hash it out with guys who've actually built buildings, have worked at nuclear facilities, etc., etc.  There is no 9-11 conspiracy, perhaps apart from the fact that the Bush regime had some intel that it was coming and it didn't and/or couldn't take steps to stop it fast enough.

I know asking to join another site to discuss [potentially only] one subject seems demanding, but there's plenty of shit on that BBS that I'm sure you'll dig.  There's lots of sci-fi stuff, to be sure, but there are ethics/morality forums, a forum dedicated to sex, one to politics, and so on.


Title: Re: WTC BLDG. 7 Conspiracy
Post by: Wiggs on September 27, 2012, 02:30:22 PM
Wiggs,

I really like you man, but I think you're way off base here.

Are you familiar with the name "Michael Wong"?  He's an engineer that's big in the Star Wars discussion community.  He's analyzed all sorts of things that only one or two other Star Wars fans did with the same accuracy and "realism."

His website is www.stardestroyer.net, and it has its own BBS discussion forums.  It's not what it used to be, but if you'd really like to talk to some engineers, physicists and ilk, PM me and I will sponsor your admission to the site.

Long story made short?  Wong will eat any conspiracy theories alive.  He has for years.  He'll make you a believer, too (not that I ever had any doubt ... a near 100,000 ton building + severe kinetic impact + payload of jet fuel = disaster.  And since good old GRAVITY favors things coming straight down, just like a guy dropping a bar on his chest ... well).

The ONLY so-called "evidence" I've ever seen put forth about some measure of fakery afoot was some supposedly "molten" girders deep in the debris.  I saw pics of those girders.  They were NOT melting -- not EVEN close.  Molten metal kinda, y'know, doesn't HOLD SHAPE.  At most, it was heated by a couple hundred Kelvins.  And when insulated by lots of debris, it's small wonder that the heat was trapped -- just like when you cover coals in a fireplace with lots of ash.  The next morning, if you uncover the coals, they'll still glow.  Does that mean that anything ever approached a melting point, let alone near 1900 Celsius?

Nope.

Truly, man, it's just minnows here when it comes to this kind of topic.  Hash it out with guys who've actually built buildings, have worked at nuclear facilities, etc., etc.  There is no 9-11 conspiracy, perhaps apart from the fact that the Bush regime had some intel that it was coming and it didn't and/or couldn't take steps to stop it fast enough.

I know asking to join another site to discuss [potentially only] one subject seems demanding, but there's plenty of shit on that BBS that I'm sure you'll dig.  There's lots of sci-fi stuff, to be sure, but there are ethics/morality forums, a forum dedicated to sex, one to politics, and so on.

Watch the three videos I posted together.  He's a demolitions expert.


Title: Re: WTC BLDG. 7
Post by: arce1988 on September 27, 2012, 02:37:45 PM
  This was NOT planes. This was done by the USA. I am a USMC Veteran. I am disgusted.


Title: Re: WTC BLDG. 7
Post by: Wiggs on September 27, 2012, 02:40:30 PM
I am a 10 Year USAF Veteran and this fucking sickens me to my core.  All those U.S. Military that died...for no reason.


Title: Re: WTC BLDG. 7 Conspiracy
Post by: Nails on September 27, 2012, 02:41:14 PM
Wiggs,

I really like you man, but I think you're way off base here.

Are you familiar with the name "Michael Wong"?  He's an engineer that's big in the Star Wars discussion community.  He's analyzed all sorts of things that only one or two other Star Wars fans did with the same accuracy and "realism."

His website is www.stardestroyer.net, and it has its own BBS discussion forums.  It's not what it used to be, but if you'd really like to talk to some engineers, physicists and ilk, PM me and I will sponsor your admission to the site.

Long story made short?  Wong will eat any conspiracy theories alive.  He has for years.  He'll make you a believer, too (not that I ever had any doubt ... a near 100,000 ton building + severe kinetic impact + payload of jet fuel = disaster.  And since good old GRAVITY favors things coming straight down, just like a guy dropping a bar on his chest ... well).

The ONLY so-called "evidence" I've ever seen put forth about some measure of fakery afoot was some supposedly "molten" girders deep in the debris.  I saw pics of those girders.  They were NOT melting -- not EVEN close.  Molten metal kinda, y'know, doesn't HOLD SHAPE.  At most, it was heated by a couple hundred Kelvins.  And when insulated by lots of debris, it's small wonder that the heat was trapped -- just like when you cover coals in a fireplace with lots of ash.  The next morning, if you uncover the coals, they'll still glow.  Does that mean that anything ever approached a melting point, let alone near 1900 Celsius?

Nope.

Truly, man, it's just minnows here when it comes to this kind of topic.  Hash it out with guys who've actually built buildings, have worked at nuclear facilities, etc., etc.  There is no 9-11 conspiracy, perhaps apart from the fact that the Bush regime had some intel that it was coming and it didn't and/or couldn't take steps to stop it fast enough.

I know asking to join another site to discuss [potentially only] one subject seems demanding, but there's plenty of shit on that BBS that I'm sure you'll dig.  There's lots of sci-fi stuff, to be sure, but there are ethics/morality forums, a forum dedicated to sex, one to politics, and so on.



Sorry but Micheal is Wong


no plane , no jet fuel  ever touched Building 7


Title: Re: WTC BLDG. 7
Post by: Bob Bonham on September 27, 2012, 02:42:38 PM
A gentleman I know was on the crew who reinforced those two building with tons of steel. said no way could that building fall..they worked only on weekends.. Covered all desks and such with plywood to make a platform and protect every thing....By Monday morning the floor was all cleaned up and back to business .. Now suppose that is when the charges were planted .also knowing the WTc s were built to fall inward.
No one would have noticed any thing suspicious .
keep this all in mind..1)Osama was an engineer  and he was surprised to see that that happened when he claimed credit.
2) they say we had some knowledge but the agencies did not work together ..
3) all that jet fuel exploded when the building was hit in to the air , not downward


Title: Re: WTC BLDG. 7 Conspiracy
Post by: NarcissisticDeity on September 27, 2012, 02:50:11 PM
Wiggs,

I really like you man, but I think you're way off base here.

Are you familiar with the name "Michael Wong"?  He's an engineer that's big in the Star Wars discussion community.  He's analyzed all sorts of things that only one or two other Star Wars fans did with the same accuracy and "realism."

His website is www.stardestroyer.net, and it has its own BBS discussion forums.  It's not what it used to be, but if you'd really like to talk to some engineers, physicists and ilk, PM me and I will sponsor your admission to the site.

Long story made short?  Wong will eat any conspiracy theories alive.  He has for years.  He'll make you a believer, too (not that I ever had any doubt ... a near 100,000 ton building + severe kinetic impact + payload of jet fuel = disaster.  And since good old GRAVITY favors things coming straight down, just like a guy dropping a bar on his chest ... well).

The ONLY so-called "evidence" I've ever seen put forth about some measure of fakery afoot was some supposedly "molten" girders deep in the debris.  I saw pics of those girders.  They were NOT melting -- not EVEN close.  Molten metal kinda, y'know, doesn't HOLD SHAPE.  At most, it was heated by a couple hundred Kelvins.  And when insulated by lots of debris, it's small wonder that the heat was trapped -- just like when you cover coals in a fireplace with lots of ash.  The next morning, if you uncover the coals, they'll still glow.  Does that mean that anything ever approached a melting point, let alone near 1900 Celsius?

Nope.

Truly, man, it's just minnows here when it comes to this kind of topic.  Hash it out with guys who've actually built buildings, have worked at nuclear facilities, etc., etc.  There is no 9-11 conspiracy, perhaps apart from the fact that the Bush regime had some intel that it was coming and it didn't and/or couldn't take steps to stop it fast enough.

I know asking to join another site to discuss [potentially only] one subject seems demanding, but there's plenty of shit on that BBS that I'm sure you'll dig.  There's lots of sci-fi stuff, to be sure, but there are ethics/morality forums, a forum dedicated to sex, one to politics, and so on.

These people have already made up their minds and no amount of logic and common sense will change it.

Best not to take conspiracy theorists seriously just laugh let them be.


Title: Re: WTC BLDG. 7
Post by: El Diablo Blanco on September 27, 2012, 02:51:21 PM
People say gov like it is a him or they.  First of all for this to work, the gov probably was never involved.  Maybe, the VP or President but that's it.  Then the Sec. of Defense who was the shadiest fucker in the world.  I wouldn't put anything past Rumsfeld.  Rumsfeld had been a big supporter of going back to Iraq and creating the DHS.  They needed a reason to do so and this was their reason. 

I still beleive they knew it was going to happen, may have helped a group do it but let it happen.


Title: Re: WTC BLDG. 7
Post by: Wiggs on September 27, 2012, 02:51:24 PM
Provide some logic then Mr. Logic.


Title: Re: WTC BLDG. 7
Post by: NarcissisticDeity on September 27, 2012, 02:58:35 PM
Provide some logic then Mr. Logic.

One of the harshest critics of America and has been for decades

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m7SPm-HFYLo


Title: Re: WTC BLDG. 7 Conspiracy
Post by: viking1 on September 27, 2012, 02:59:41 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BZmSHTiYa2M

What is causing these mini explosions all over?


Title: Re: WTC BLDG. 7
Post by: tommywishbone on September 27, 2012, 03:01:17 PM
This government is bunch of clueless idiots and you think they can pull off 9/11? Hahahah, you are fucking dumb, dude. I didn't want to be an asshole about it before, but the fact that you are even still talking about this makes it sound like you are borderline ass-burger autism or maybe have weed related brain damage.

Exactly.

Clinton gets a blowjob in the Oval Office and we know about it.

bush gets drunk "chokes on a pretzel" and we know about it.

Reagan sells a box of machine guns to the contra's and we know about it.

The senator from Minnesota gets a blowjob from a dude in the bathroom at the airport and we know about it.


Title: Re: WTC BLDG. 7 Conspiracy
Post by: Overload on September 27, 2012, 03:19:22 PM
no plane , no jet fuel  ever touched Building 7

This is like a penny falling on a 24" concrete finished floor and breaking it into two halves.

It's impossible for anything that happen that day to cause the building 7 to collapse.

Don't get me started on the Pentagon.

People get paid to lie, it happens all the time when the government is involved, I've been offered money to verify calculations for freeway overpasses that were only designed to within 30% of our state highway standards and i told them to piss off. We pay traffic engineers to low ball the traffic numbers so we can build larger developments and get the city planning commission to approve our developments.


8)


Title: Re: WTC BLDG. 7 Conspiracy
Post by: bighead on September 27, 2012, 03:26:30 PM
This is like a penny falling on a 24" concrete finished floor and breaking it into two halves.

It's impossible for anything that happen that day to cause the building 7 to collapse.Don't get me started on the Pentagon.

People get paid to lie, it happens all the time when the government is involved, I've been offered money to verify calculations for freeway overpasses that were only designed to within 30% of our state highway standards and i told them to piss off. We pay traffic engineers to low ball the traffic numbers so we can build larger developments and get the city planning commission to approve our developments.


8)


Title: Re: WTC BLDG. 7
Post by: bighead on September 27, 2012, 03:29:09 PM
Wolfowitz DoctrineFrom Wikipedia, the free encyclopediaJump to: navigation, search 
 
 
Paul Wolfowitz, co-author of the eponymous doctrine.Wolfowitz Doctrine is an unofficial name given to the initial version of the Defense Planning Guidance for the 1994–99 fiscal years (dated February 18, 1992) authored by U.S. Undersecretary of Defense for Policy Paul Wolfowitz and his deputy Scooter Libby.

Not intended for public release, it was leaked to The New York Times on March 7, 1992, and sparked a public controversy about U.S. foreign and defense policy. The document was widely criticized as imperialist as the document outlined a policy of unilateralism and pre-emptive military action to suppress potential threats from other nations and prevent any other nation from rising to superpower status.

Such was the outcry that the document was hastily re-written under the close supervision of U.S. Secretary of Defense Dick Cheney and Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Colin Powell before being officially released on April 16, 1992. Although the initial release was denounced at the time it was leaked, many of its tenets have since re-emerged in the Bush Doctrine.

Contents [hide]
1 Doctrine articles
1.1 Superpower status
1.2 U.S. primacy
1.3 Unilateralism
1.4 Pre-emptive intervention
1.5 Russian threat
1.6 Oil
2 Sources
3 See also
4 External links
 

[edit] Doctrine articles[edit] Superpower statusThe doctrine announces the U.S’s status as the world’s only remaining superpower following the collapse of the Soviet Union at the end of the Cold War and proclaims its main objective to be retaining that status.

"Our first objective is to prevent the re-emergence of a new rival, either on the territory of the former Soviet Union or elsewhere, that poses a threat on the order of that posed formerly by the Soviet Union. This is a dominant consideration underlying the new regional defense strategy and requires that we endeavor to prevent any hostile power from dominating a region whose resources would, under consolidated control, be sufficient to generate global power."
This was substantially re-written in the April 16 release.

"Our most fundamental goal is to deter or defeat attack from whatever source... The second goal is to strengthen and extend the system of defense arrangements that binds democratic and like-minded nations together in common defense against aggression, build habits of cooperation, avoid the renationalization of security policies, and provide security at lower costs and with lower risks for all. Our preference for a collective response to preclude threats or, if necessary, to deal with them is a key feature of our regional defense strategy. The third goal is to preclude any hostile power from dominating a region critical to our interests, and also thereby to strengthen the barriers against the re-emergence of a global threat to the interests of the U.S. and our allies."
[edit] U.S. primacyThe doctrine establishes the U.S’s leadership role within the new world order.

"The U.S. must show the leadership necessary to establish and protect a new order that holds the promise of convincing potential competitors that they need not aspire to a greater role or pursue a more aggressive posture to protect their legitimate interests. In non-defense areas, we must account sufficiently for the interests of the advanced industrial nations to discourage them from challenging our leadership or seeking to overturn the established political and economic order. We must maintain the mechanism for deterring potential competitors from even aspiring to a larger regional or global role."
This was substantially re-written in the April 16 release.

"One of the primary tasks we face today in shaping the future is carrying long standing alliances into the new era, and turning old enmities into new cooperative relationships. If we and other leading democracies continue to build a democratic security community, a much safer world is likely to emerge. If we act separately, many other problems could result."
[edit] UnilateralismThe doctrine downplays the value of international coalitions.

"Like the coalition that opposed Iraqi aggression, we should expect future coalitions to be ad hoc assemblies, often not lasting beyond the crisis being confronted, and in many cases carrying only general agreement over the objectives to be accomplished. Nevertheless, the sense that the world order is ultimately backed by the U.S. will be an important stabilizing factor."
This was re-written with a change in emphasis in the April 16 release.

"Certain situations like the crisis leading to the Gulf War are likely to engender ad hoc coalitions. We should plan to maximize the value of such coalitions. This may include specialized roles for our forces as well as developing cooperative practices with others."
[edit] Pre-emptive interventionThe doctrine stated the U.S’s right to intervene when and where it believed necessary.

While the U.S. cannot become the world's policeman, by assuming responsibility for righting every wrong, we will retain the preeminent responsibility for addressing selectively those wrongs which threaten not only our interests, but those of our allies or friends, or which could seriously unsettle international relations.
This was softened slightly in the April 16 release.

"While the United States cannot become the world's policeman and assume responsibility for solving every international security problem, neither can we allow our critical interests to depend solely on international mechanisms that can be blocked by countries whose interests may be very different than our own. Where our allies interests are directly affected, we must expect them to take an appropriate share of the responsibility, and in some cases play the leading role; but we maintain the capabilities for addressing selectively those security problems that threaten our own interests."
[edit] Russian threatThe doctrine highlighted the possible threat posed by a resurgent Russia.

"We continue to recognize that collectively the conventional forces of the states formerly comprising the Soviet Union retain the most military potential in all of Eurasia; and we do not dismiss the risks to stability in Europe from a nationalist backlash in Russia or efforts to reincorporate into Russia the newly independent republics of Ukraine, Belarus, and possibly others....We must, however, be mindful that democratic change in Russia is not irreversible, and that despite its current travails, Russia will remain the strongest military power in Eurasia and the only power in the world with the capability of destroying the United States."
This was removed from the April 16 release in favour of a more diplomatic approach.

"The U.S. has a significant stake in promoting democratic consolidation and peaceful relations between Russia, Ukraine and the other republics of the former Soviet Union."
[edit] OilThe doctrine clarified the strategic value of the Middle East and Southwest Asia.

"In the Middle East and Southwest Asia, our overall objective is to remain the predominant outside power in the region and preserve U.S. and Western access to the region's oil."
The April 16 release was much more circumspect and reaffirmed U.S. commitments to Israel.

"In the Middle East and Persian Gulf, we seek to foster regional stability, deter aggression against our friends and interests in the region, protect U.S. nationals and property, and safeguard our access to international air and seaways and to the region's oil. The United States is committed to the security of Israel and to maintaining the qualitative edge that is critical to Israel's security. Israel's confidence in its security and U.S.-Israel strategic cooperation contribute to the stability of the entire region, as demonstrated once again during the Persian Gulf War. At the same time, our assistance to our Arab friends to defend themselves against aggression also strengthens security throughout the region, including for Israel


Title: Re: WTC BLDG. 7
Post by: #1 Klaus fan on September 27, 2012, 03:33:05 PM
Buildings are built only 1 thought in mind, it can't go through progressive collapse. Even when a kid builts a house of cards (s)he tries to make sure that a minor mistake doesn't bring the whole house down. You can talk all about the massive scale of the towers or how the top portion experienced almost a free fall for a few stories distance but the truth stands. This should not happen. Either there were explosives in the buildings or the buildings were faulty. Are all buildings in New York City this dangerous? I would be alarmed if I lived there.


Title: Re: WTC BLDG. 7 Conspiracy
Post by: #1 Klaus fan on September 27, 2012, 03:35:27 PM
What is causing these mini explosions all over?

Consensus is that some kind of digital or factual trickery (not WTC7). So it's fake.


Title: Re: WTC BLDG. 7
Post by: Nails on September 27, 2012, 03:38:08 PM
Building 7


(http://projectcamelotportal.com/archivedforum/public_html/media/kunena/attachments/964/911wtc6craterwestair.jpg)


Title: Re: WTC BLDG. 7
Post by: El Diablo Blanco on September 27, 2012, 03:50:40 PM
Replace the word Government with Israeli Intelligence and you can see how they don't give a shit about 3000k lives, considering most of the Jews who are typically at work at the time of the collapse happened to be late that day.

Also think about the shitload of money raised through charities and the handouts from the gov.  How much did these families that lost someone get in return?  Does anyone know?  I'm pretty sure a wife would be devestated to lose her husband, but $10 million later, a boob job and she is getting fucked in an ocean front hut in the maldives by some fit african.


Title: Re: WTC BLDG. 7
Post by: Nails on September 27, 2012, 04:00:35 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RoHitIiabrM


Title: Re: WTC BLDG. 7
Post by: The Abdominal Snoman on September 27, 2012, 04:33:09 PM
You'd be surprised what people DO NOT notice.

Exactly. America, Russia, China and the UK have admitted to weather manipulation through airplane "chemtrails". Yet a lot of people still don't believe it. On top of that, we can't fathom the amount of resources the Hierarchy has at their disposal and the amount of high tech explosives that the everyday person has never heard of. A CIA "cleaning" crew of a dozen people could easily have been able to pull it off without anyone blinking an eye.


Title: Re: WTC BLDG. 7
Post by: arce1988 on September 27, 2012, 04:36:01 PM
  That was done by the USA.


Title: Re: WTC BLDG. 7
Post by: The Abdominal Snoman on September 27, 2012, 04:38:25 PM
Check out this COINTELPRO CIA guy from FOX. The guy is talking in absolutes and using key trigger words right after the buildings fell. So obvious this guy is COINTELPRO. The Harley shirt and cap is to help sell that he's your everyday American citizen. lol. COINTELPRO 101

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-5y8PtfKA14


Title: Re: WTC BLDG. 7
Post by: The Abdominal Snoman on September 27, 2012, 04:44:14 PM
One of the harshest critics of America and has been for decades

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m7SPm-HFYLo

He might be a critic but he's part of the Hierarchy. These people have to play by a set of rules.


Title: Re: WTC BLDG. 7
Post by: Marty Champions on September 27, 2012, 05:09:54 PM
Could mastermind the taking down of the WTC buildings but yet they couldn't plant weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. ::)
pretty damn good devils advocate arguement good post


Title: Re: WTC BLDG. 7 Conspiracy
Post by: tommywishbone on September 27, 2012, 05:13:36 PM
This is like a penny falling on a 24" concrete finished floor and breaking it into two halves.

It's impossible for anything that happen that day to cause the building 7 to collapse.

Don't get me started on the Pentagon.

People get paid to lie, it happens all the time when the government is involved, I've been offered money to verify calculations for freeway overpasses that were only designed to within 30% of our state highway standards and i told them to piss off. We pay traffic engineers to low ball the traffic numbers so we can build larger developments and get the city planning commission to approve our developments.
8)

and they would be paid much much more to tell the truth. Wait, the goverment killed everyone involed too?     


Title: Re: WTC BLDG. 7
Post by: #1 Klaus fan on September 27, 2012, 05:15:20 PM
Check out this COINTELPRO CIA guy from FOX. The guy is talking in absolutes and using key trigger words right after the buildings fell. So obvious this guy is COINTELPRO. The Harley shirt and cap is to help sell that he's your everyday American citizen. lol. COINTELPRO 101

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-5y8PtfKA14

Yep sounds scripted to me. The situation at 2:35 is the strangest. The wording, the person's actions in the suit and the reporters reaction.


Title: Re: WTC BLDG. 7
Post by: tommywishbone on September 27, 2012, 05:20:12 PM
I'm a registered Professional Structural Engineer.

That building was a controlled demolition.

It does not take long to rig a building that small with state of the art demolition equipment.


8)


Title: Re: WTC BLDG. 7
Post by: tommywishbone on September 27, 2012, 05:25:36 PM
Yes, all Americans are mad that "Building 7" was destroyed. LOL!!!! Who gives a fuck about WTC building 7? Nobody. Why would the goverment destroy building 7? They didn't.


Title: Re: WTC BLDG. 7
Post by: Howard on September 27, 2012, 05:26:30 PM
No way in hell that building fell perfectly straight down into a pile of dust from a fire. It's funny how people will believe anything if they are told a lie enough times.

LOL, what is more funny is those ignorant of basic engineering and physics making silly claims they just know to be facts ? hahahaha.
The crash of the planes knocked down the buildings. I'm not going to waste my time with a physics lesson because  most don't want the plain , basic truth.


Title: Re: WTC BLDG. 7
Post by: jwb on September 27, 2012, 05:28:04 PM
Things are impossible until they happen.

That building got hit by another building, was on fire all day, then collapsed.

GET OVER IT


Title: Re: WTC BLDG. 7
Post by: Nails on September 27, 2012, 05:28:24 PM
Building 7 was mostly a government building


http://www.wtc7.net/background.html (http://www.wtc7.net/background.html)



What Was In Building 7?

Building 7 was one of New York City's larger buildings. A sleek bronze-colored skyscraper with a trapezoidal footprint, it occupied an entire city block and rose over 600 feet above street level.

Built in 1985, it was formerly the headquarters of the junk-bond firm Drexel Burnham Lambert, which contributed to the Savings and Loans collapse, prompting the $500-billion taxpayer-underwritten bailout of the latter 1980s. At the time of its destruction, it exclusively housed government agencies and financial institutions. It contained offices of the IRS, Secret Service, and SEC.





Tenant    Square Feet    Floor    Industry
Salomon Smith Barney    1,202,900    GRND,1-6,13,18-46    Financial Institution
IRS Regional Council    90,430    24, 25    Government
U.S. Secret Service    85,343    9,10    Government
C.I.A.    N/A    N/A    Government
American Express Bank International    106,117    7,8,13    Financial Institution
Standard Chartered Bank    111,398    10,13,26,27    Financial Institution
Provident Financial Management    9,000    7,13    Financial Institution
ITT Hartford Insurance Group    122,590    19-21    [Insurance]
First State Management Group, Inc    4,000    21    Insurance
Federal Home Loan Bank    47,490    22    Financial Institution
NAIC Securities    22,500    19    Insurance
Securities & Exchange Commission    106,117    11,12,13    Government
Mayor's Office of Emergency Mgmt    45,815    23    Government




One of the most interesting tenants was then-Mayor Giuliani's Office of Emergency Management, and its emergency command center on the 23rd floor. This floor received 15 million dollars worth of renovations, including independent and secure air and water supplies, and bullet and bomb resistant windows designed to withstand 200 MPH winds. 2   The 1993 bombing must have been part of the rationale for the command center, which overlooked the Twin Towers, a prime terrorist target.

How curious that on the day of the attack, Guiliani and his entourage set up shop in a different headquarters, abandoning the special bunker designed precisely for such an event. 3  


Title: Re: WTC BLDG. 7
Post by: Howard on September 27, 2012, 05:31:08 PM
Aliens from area 51 were secretly placed deep inside Bldg 7.
200 of 'em lit a massive fart at the same time and took the place down.


Title: Re: WTC BLDG. 7
Post by: tommywishbone on September 27, 2012, 05:39:19 PM
gh15 was involved.


Title: Re: WTC BLDG. 7
Post by: flipper5470 on September 27, 2012, 05:48:12 PM
http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/engineering/architecture/4278874


Title: Re: WTC BLDG. 7
Post by: viking1 on September 27, 2012, 06:04:16 PM
Yep sounds scripted to me. The situation at 2:35 is the strangest. The wording, the person's actions in the suit and the reporters reaction.

That was one calm, sleek dude.  Men in Black.


Title: Re: WTC BLDG. 7
Post by: bighead on September 27, 2012, 06:08:49 PM
Check out this COINTELPRO CIA guy from FOX. The guy is talking in absolutes and using key trigger words right after the buildings fell. So obvious this guy is COINTELPRO. The Harley shirt and cap is to help sell that he's your everyday American citizen. lol. COINTELPRO 101

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-5y8PtfKA14
 Cointelpro! I am impressed sir.  ;) .. You can see many examples of this from 9-11 including an interview with Dan Rather who commented how it seemed the buildings went down in a ''controlled demolition'' the cointelpro dude was quick to interject on how it was not. This is the job of the 4th branch of government, sell it to the stupid public.


Title: Re: WTC BLDG. 7
Post by: Roger Bacon on September 27, 2012, 06:52:49 PM
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1xJx2YjDCXw)

The new Loose Change is on netflix, you guys should check it out.


Title: Re: WTC BLDG. 7
Post by: LATS on September 27, 2012, 07:06:22 PM
 Guys.. Howard is right.. Why waste time trying to explain basic engineering.. First off no way if there were a conspiracy could this have remained quite.. Too much money to be made with that story.. Plus can hundreds of people keep secret? Not hardly.. And yes, buildings above a certain height are designed to collapse downward to avoid as much collateral damage to surrounding buildings..  Stop the area 51 crap guys..


Title: Re: WTC BLDG. 7
Post by: #1 Klaus fan on September 27, 2012, 07:14:17 PM
Guys.. Howard is right.. Why waste time trying to explain basic engineering.. First off no way if there were a conspiracy could this have remained quite.. Too much money to be made with that story.. Plus can hundreds of people keep secret? Not hardly.. And yes, buildings above a certain height are designed to collapse downward to avoid as much collateral damage to surrounding buildings..  Stop the area 51 crap guys..


Only ignorant people think that the buildings should have fallen like a tree. There is no reason for it to do that, no force acting upon it, nothing.

I won't accept 1000 feet of progressive collapse. Never. I hope you or Howard never design buildings if you see nothing wrong with it.


Title: Re: WTC BLDG. 7
Post by: Disgusted on September 27, 2012, 07:36:45 PM
LOL, what is more funny is those ignorant of basic engineering and physics making silly claims they just know to be facts ? hahahaha.
The crash of the planes knocked down the buildings. I'm not going to waste my time with a physics lesson because  most don't want the plain , basic truth.

Why don't you give us all a lesson in physics Howey you are not the only physicist on here. Feel free to go to as much detail as you like. 


Title: Re: WTC BLDG. 7
Post by: Roger Bacon on September 27, 2012, 07:41:05 PM
http://stj911.org/members/index.html


Title: Re: WTC BLDG. 7
Post by: tommywishbone on September 27, 2012, 07:43:22 PM
Guys.. Howard is right.. Why waste time trying to explain basic engineering.. First off no way if there were a conspiracy could this have remained quite.. Too much money to be made with that story.. Plus can hundreds of people keep secret? Not hardly.. And yes, buildings above a certain height are designed to collapse downward to avoid as much collateral damage to surrounding buildings..  Stop the area 51 crap guys..


That simple answer is enough. Fuck, if I bang a hooker in Reno, three days later my wife knows about it.


Title: Re: WTC BLDG. 7
Post by: jwb on September 27, 2012, 08:24:06 PM
I love how all the people involved in this scam have remained loyal and quiet yet one of the seals who killed bin laden already broke ranks and cashed in.


Title: Re: WTC BLDG. 7
Post by: tommywishbone on September 27, 2012, 08:26:54 PM
I love how all the people involved in this scam have remained loyal and quiet yet one of the seals who killed bin laden already broke ranks and cashed in.

LOL!  Thank you. And that was 25 dudes killing one greasy bastard 1 year ago. Can you imagine the books that "the guys who planted the dynamite" in the WTC could sell?

Oh wait- they were all killed.

Oh wait again. . . .  and the guys who killed the original dynamite planter guys were killed too.

Wait more. . . . the guys who killed the killers, of the guys who killed the dynamite planters, they were killed too.


Title: Re: WTC BLDG. 7
Post by: Busted on September 27, 2012, 08:32:49 PM
Physics 101... what the gov said is disgusting... But then again, I left the US cause I got tired of being in a society of 90% complete sheep..


Title: Re: WTC BLDG. 7
Post by: Your Average GymRat on September 27, 2012, 08:40:17 PM
This guy Wiggs is a f-ng Idiot . Many like him though. Hope he goes away !

Niggs is moron, plain and simple.


Title: Re: WTC BLDG. 7
Post by: tommywishbone on September 27, 2012, 08:43:08 PM
Niggs is moron, plain and simple.

Litttle rat, you are never right- however- in the case of Wiggs v. The Towers- you are absolutley correct.


Title: Re: WTC BLDG. 7
Post by: tommywishbone on September 27, 2012, 08:47:05 PM
Nothing that anyone said after  9/11 matters.


Title: Re: WTC BLDG. 7
Post by: Mr.1derful on September 27, 2012, 09:12:31 PM
LOL, what is more funny is those ignorant of basic engineering and physics making silly claims they just know to be facts ? hahahaha.
The crash of the planes knocked down the buildings. I'm not going to waste my time with a physics lesson because  most don't want the plain , basic truth.

Then you'd better go back to school Howard.  Those planes were misdirection.  Towers like that don't come down at near free fall speed into their own footprint, with only powder left from just a plane impact.    Prior to that day, no steel skyscraper had ever collapsed from fire, yet on 9/11 it happened three times.   The largest structural failures in history, yet what remained was not left as evidence for investigation, but instead rapidly disposed of.  

Explain the fires beneath the rubble that could not be put out for months.  Explain the physics of a plane hitting the pentagon and vanishing into thin air, even the titanium engines.  No bodies, no nothing.  Same with Flight 93.  Norad taking the day off.  The reporting by the BBC of the collapse of building 7, around 20 minutes before it actually fell.  Please enlighten us.  I guess it's easier to believe that a group of guys with box cutters kicked America's ass for a day.  Not likely.


Title: Re: WTC BLDG. 7
Post by: Mr.1derful on September 27, 2012, 10:11:41 PM
Exactly.

Clinton gets a blowjob in the Oval Office and we know about it.

bush gets drunk "chokes on a pretzel" and we know about it.

Reagan sells a box of machine guns to the contra's and we know about it.

The senator from Minnesota gets a blowjob from a dude in the bathroom at the airport and we know about it.

How many people knew about the Manhatton Project?


Title: Re: WTC BLDG. 7
Post by: The Abdominal Snoman on September 27, 2012, 10:36:53 PM
Aliens from area 51 were secretly placed deep inside Bldg 7.
200 of 'em lit a massive fart at the same time and took the place down.

20 years ago if anyone said Area 51 was real, people would call them a nutty conspiracy theorist.


Title: Re: WTC BLDG. 7
Post by: The Abdominal Snoman on September 27, 2012, 10:46:41 PM
I love how all the people involved in this scam have remained loyal and quiet yet one of the seals who killed bin laden already broke ranks and cashed in.

You honestly think someone who was involved in this would actually be able to "cash in"? There is no cashing in for something like this. People who are involved in deep shit like this don't have social security numbers and shit. Read some stories about some CIA guys. There are fractions of a Hierarchy that go deeper than the CIA.

LOL at people who say "Why hasn't anyone come forward". They had shit like this in 1970's. Just imagine the type of things they have now.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BSEnurBApdM


Title: Re: WTC BLDG. 7
Post by: Ropo on September 27, 2012, 10:52:14 PM
I'd like you denyers to watch this. And try to come up with a reasonable retort to this.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=owyqt-8RnKI

You shouldn't watch shit like that, watch this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XrnmbUDeHus
First to go is the penthouse, and when it drops, you see sky through the upstairs windows, because whole facade has collapse with it. Then backside of the house collapse, because there isn't any support to hold it up.  Don't look fake videos, you doesn't learn anything by looking them.


Title: Re: WTC BLDG. 7 Conspiracy
Post by: Ropo on September 27, 2012, 10:54:03 PM
What is causing these mini explosions all over?

Photoshop


Title: Re: WTC BLDG. 7
Post by: Nails on September 27, 2012, 10:55:38 PM
MK-ULTRA: In the 1950s to the 1970s, the CIA ran a mind-control project aimed at finding a “truth serum” to use on communist spies. Test subjects were given LSD and other drugs, often without consent, and some were tortured. At least one man, civilian biochemist Frank Olson, who was working for the government, died as a result of the experiments. The project was finally exposed after investigations by the Rockefeller Commission.


Title: Re: WTC BLDG. 7
Post by: Nails on September 27, 2012, 10:57:44 PM
1990 Testimony of Nayirah: A 15-year-old girl named “Nayirah” testified before the U.S. Congress that she had seen Iraqi soldiers pulling Kuwaiti babies from incubators, causing them to die. The testimony helped gain major public support for the 1991 Gulf War, but — despite protests that the dispute of this story was itself a conspiracy theory — it was later discovered that the testimony was false. The public relations firm Hill & Knowlton, which was in the employ of Citizens for a Free Kuwait, had arranged the testimony.  It turned out that she had taken acting lessons on request of the CIA and was actually the niece of a major politician in Kuwait.  Nayirah was later disclosed to be Nayirah al-Sabah, daughter of Saud bin Nasir Al-Sabah, Kuwaiti ambassador to the USA.  The Congressional Human Rights Caucus, of which Congressman Tom Lantos was co-chairman, had been responsible for hosting Nurse Nayirah, and thereby popularizing her allegations. When the girl’s account was later challenged by independent human rights monitors, Lantos replied, “The notion that any of the witnesses brought to the caucus through the Kuwaiti Embassy would not be credible did not cross my mind… I have no basis for assuming that her story is not true, but the point goes beyond that. If one hypothesizes that the woman’s story is fictitious from A to Z, that in no way diminishes the avalanche of human rights violations.” Nevertheless, the senior Republican on the Human Rights Caucus, John Edward Porter, responded to the revelations “by saying that if he had known the girl was the ambassador’s daughter, he would not have allowed her to testify.”


Title: Re: WTC BLDG. 7
Post by: Busted on September 27, 2012, 11:02:15 PM
Lots of Americans were happy... Esp those who were under investigations from the highest levels... Considering the FBI, CIA, Secrete Service files for some of the worlds largest scandals where in that building... Enron, GOldMan Sachs, Fraud on Wall Street etc...

Yes, all Americans are mad that "Building 7" was destroyed. LOL!!!! Who gives a fuck about WTC building 7? Nobody. Why would the goverment destroy building 7? They didn't.


Title: Re: WTC BLDG. 7
Post by: RS on September 28, 2012, 04:19:58 AM
I'd like you denyers to watch this. And try to come up with a reasonable retort to this.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=owyqt-8RnKI
Interesting. More to all this than meets the eye. Thx for the post dude!


Title: Re: WTC BLDG. 7
Post by: RS on September 28, 2012, 04:21:55 AM
This guy Wiggs is a f-ng Idiot . Many like him though. Hope he goes away !


Fu$% -off tool bag.  Wiggs is right.  you cannot watch the vids and think it all went down from a couple internal fires.  Only a moron or the American general public will believe that. Bunch of sheep if you ask me.


Title: Re: WTC BLDG. 7
Post by: Benny B on September 28, 2012, 05:21:43 AM
Fu$% -off tool bag.  Wiggs is right.  you cannot watch the vids and think it all went down from a couple internal fires.  Only a moron or the American general public will believe that. Bunch of sheep if you ask me.

Hi Wiggs.


Title: Re: WTC BLDG. 7
Post by: 3Dkiller on September 28, 2012, 06:30:25 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ddz2mw2vaEg


Title: Re: WTC BLDG. 7
Post by: viking1 on September 28, 2012, 07:16:30 AM
Ironically, this Rap Duo's album dropped on 9/11/01...     Did they have advanced notice? Rapper Conspiracy.


(http://0.tqn.com/d/urbanlegends/1/5/g/6/1/the-coup-album-cover-sm.jpg)


Title: Re: WTC BLDG. 7
Post by: jprc10 on September 28, 2012, 07:36:44 AM
This government is bunch of clueless idiots and you think they can pull off 9/11? Hahahah, you are fucking dumb, dude. I didn't want to be an asshole about it before, but the fact that you are even still talking about this makes it sound like you are borderline ass-burger autism or maybe have weed related brain damage.

They're not as clueless as you think, in fact something similar was planned way back in the 60s.

http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/northwoods.html


Title: Re: WTC BLDG. 7
Post by: jprc10 on September 28, 2012, 07:37:45 AM
oh yeah and once more

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yuC_4mGTs98


Title: Re: WTC BLDG. 7
Post by: Tito24 on September 28, 2012, 07:56:14 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LZjKKUEHTKk


Title: Re: WTC BLDG. 7
Post by: daddy8ball on September 28, 2012, 08:01:08 AM
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-sSTmFR9qFG4/T6DWr4J_7_I/AAAAAAAAJSw/K1JjcOaue4g/s1600/im-not-saying-it-was-aliens-but-it-was-aliens.jpeg)


Title: Re: WTC BLDG. 7
Post by: Roger Bacon on September 28, 2012, 09:42:59 AM
1990 Testimony of Nayirah: A 15-year-old girl named “Nayirah” testified before the U.S. Congress that she had seen Iraqi soldiers pulling Kuwaiti babies from incubators, causing them to die. The testimony helped gain major public support for the 1991 Gulf War, but — despite protests that the dispute of this story was itself a conspiracy theory — it was later discovered that the testimony was false. The public relations firm Hill & Knowlton, which was in the employ of Citizens for a Free Kuwait, had arranged the testimony.  It turned out that she had taken acting lessons on request of the CIA and was actually the niece of a major politician in Kuwait.  Nayirah was later disclosed to be Nayirah al-Sabah, daughter of Saud bin Nasir Al-Sabah, Kuwaiti ambassador to the USA.  The Congressional Human Rights Caucus, of which Congressman Tom Lantos was co-chairman, had been responsible for hosting Nurse Nayirah, and thereby popularizing her allegations. When the girl’s account was later challenged by independent human rights monitors, Lantos replied, “The notion that any of the witnesses brought to the caucus through the Kuwaiti Embassy would not be credible did not cross my mind… I have no basis for assuming that her story is not true, but the point goes beyond that. If one hypothesizes that the woman’s story is fictitious from A to Z, that in no way diminishes the avalanche of human rights violations.” Nevertheless, the senior Republican on the Human Rights Caucus, John Edward Porter, responded to the revelations “by saying that if he had known the girl was the ambassador’s daughter, he would not have allowed her to testify.”

Oh no, lets get our favorite Female getbigger Dina Al-Sabah in here to confirm.


Title: Re: WTC BLDG. 7
Post by: Mr Nobody on September 29, 2012, 07:30:01 PM
Big Tits
Damn spot on BDB.


Title: Re: WTC BLDG. 7
Post by: Ropo on September 30, 2012, 12:27:45 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ddz2mw2vaEg

What a load of bullshit. They even use this ridiculous picture what we see before video starts. Picture with pieces of material, which they claim to be nanothermite. Why it is ridiculous? Well, there is few problems with it. First of all, nanothermite is based on nanoparticles, which are small. Word nano comes from the word nano millimeter, which means 0.000 000 001 mm, so the particles in the nanomaterial are quite small. One nano from side to side. When we look at that picture, there is scale in it:

(http://investigate911.org/Red-Thermite-Chips-Superthermite-Super-Nano-Thermate-Thermitic-Jones-Dust-911-World-Trade-Center-WTC-investigate911-org-Nano-Thermite.jpg)

And the scale tells us that the particles in the picture are up to 200-300 µm from side to side. µm means micrometer, which is 0.000 001 mm. Do you understand the difference? Nano is one milliardth, micro is one millionth from the millimeter. What is the difference between million and like you say, billion. Think about it. It is same than show a picture of the elephant to prove that there is mouses in the jungle. Those prefix can be bitches, if you live in country which measures all by inches.

Next problem is simple. According those "specialists", there were used "thousand of tons of nano thermite" despite the fact that there was no technical way to produce a such quantity of nanomaterials. It has been invented later, after the 9/11.

How about the evidence they use, where it come from? Harrit publish his study years after the 9/11, 2007-2009, so where he get those evidence? Not from the ground zero, but from the public, who has taken them years earlier from different stages of ground zero as a souvenir. There is nothing which proves that those souvenirs has been taken right after collapse, so they most likely has been taken during the grubbing up of the ruins. Ground zero hasn't been playground for anonymous public after the 9/11, so those evidence can come anywhere. Whether they are contaminated over the years? God only knows. What comes that study of Harrit, he has been left by himself with it. All scientists which he refers in the study of hes, has wash their hands from that crap.

What about thermite? What you really know about it? When you light it, it reach temperatures up to 3000°C, it forms the superheated liquid which eat its way through the metals. Funny thing is that it is liquid, so it works only in the direction of gravity. It can run on the concrete floor like water, but when it meet metal etc. which it can burn trough, it follows the direction of gravity.

So, what it really was in the picture? Paint. Anti corrosion paint, which normally has similar chemicals in it. Iron oxide, aluminium oxide etc. If you take red anti corrosion paint from 1970 and study it, you find same things than Harrit.


Title: Re: WTC BLDG. 7
Post by: AbrahamG on September 30, 2012, 12:31:32 AM
No way in hell that building fell perfectly straight down into a pile of dust from a fire. It's funny how people will believe anything if they are told a lie enough times.

I'm sure Obama was in Kenya at the time behind the whole thing.


Title: Re: WTC BLDG. 7
Post by: quadzilla456 on September 30, 2012, 12:35:11 AM
This government is bunch of clueless idiots and you think they can pull off 9/11? Hahahah, you are fucking dumb, dude. I didn't want to be an asshole about it before, but the fact that you are even still talking about this makes it sound like you are borderline ass-burger autism or maybe have weed related brain damage.
And ignorant arab hijackers are smarter?

But did they really pull it off? Millions of people think the USA government and Israel did it. You are the moron that believes the story of "clueless idiots" as you put it.


Title: Re: WTC BLDG. 7
Post by: flipper5470 on September 30, 2012, 06:29:28 AM
Millions of people believe that Elvis is alive....at one time or another BILLIONS of people believed in Santa Claus, the Tooth Fairy and the concept of a "free" lunch...


Title: Re: WTC BLDG. 7
Post by: BIG AL MCKECHNIE on September 30, 2012, 06:41:11 AM
Millions of people believe that Elvis is alive....at one time or another BILLIONS of people believed in Santa Claus, the Tooth Fairy and the concept of a "free" lunch...

Half the dumb kunts in america believe in god lol. and the world was created a few thousand years ago .
The catholic faith is based on 100% mumbo jumbo and choirboy bumfoolery.

elvis bein alive pales into insignificance compared to the beliefs of religion


Title: Re: WTC BLDG. 7
Post by: ukjeff on September 30, 2012, 06:52:00 AM
Quick question.
If it was all planned why hasn't one, just one person come forward and told all in any country in the world, to instal explosives in all the buildings would have taken a massive amount of organising with hundreds if not thousands of people being aware of it.

And not one person with a guilty conscience or some deathbed confession has said anything?