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I chose not to go deca this bulk and avoid a 19nor instead ordered some equipose.
I have heard a lot of ppl love it and hate it. Kind of hoping to get slow quality gains out of it in the next 5 months.
I never ran it before so I am excited... I've heard it gives good vascularity and muscle belly roundness/density. Apparently thins and tightens skin if that's true that's a bonus for me, as I have naturally thick skin which even when lean sucks aesthetically. Hoping it helps in healing my shoulder and joint repair... I've read a few reviews that people healed up nicely using equi after injuries and surgeries... all internet talk however I'm excited to start it :)
Should have started it as soon as i got back on trt but alas... plan is to run it at 600-800mg ew alongside a gram of test... A gram of test is pretty common and works well for me. Last year I was cruising on 500mg and blasting at 1g all year long. Instead of relying on orals might as well use more injectables. Although I am considering adding 6 weeks of tbol after 2 months maybe. I love tbol.
Any takers out there who enjoyed equi?
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You want thick blood that will end up causing a heart attack or stroke, use it.
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I hear it gives you boobies and roid rage ??? ??? ???
Come on deadz how many people die from EQ? That being said I did experience worse sides from EQ than I do with tren. I would randomly wake up crying for no reason LOL. Tren on the other hand doesn't bother me at all, so I'd rather spend my money on that instead.
-not arguing with you or anything in case you know of some freak personal case, but I've never heard of a heart attack caused by EQ.
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back in the day it made me and my training partners tits hurt unmerciful.
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It's a great compound, i was on 900mg of it earlier this year and i made some very good gains.
Doesn't raise my BP as much as Tren, but it dose thicken your blood to a small extent.
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roid rage and man boobs? wtf lol.. uuh... welcome to getbig... newb.
Overlord: Yeah ey? I'm looking forward to it :D How many weeks were you on and what did you stack with it/dosages?
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Welcome to sarcasm... newb 8)
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Problem imo using real equ you're supposed to smell horse, even with moderate dose and the stuff is supposed to smell leather
at least 90 percent of equ is not equ, maybe underdosed deca.
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Problem imo using real equ you're supposed to smell horse, even with moderate dose and the stuff is supposed to smell leather
at least 90 percent of equ is not equ, maybe underdosed deca.
aot of equipose is made from shitty raws. This is why we need a place where we can get gear raws tested and finished product tested. If your EQ is high grade it is a great drug . It is kind of like masteron it works better when you are leaner at least 10% BF or lower. You can however use it at any BF% just stating what I think.
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so two weeks on equipose.. and i threw in tren.... Twice a week clen+yohimbine and cardio.
this is going to be the best cycle ever. Already looking leaner, muscle more fuller and HUUUNGRYYYY..... I started with 900mg equipose and will continue at 600mg equipose ew.
Only trt dose of test. I can't handle insomnia with high doses of test + tren. Trt test + high tren = win.
That being said tren suppresses my apetite, in summer i tried with trt test+tren and i got stronger but not bigger, leaned up a bit. Now with the soaring apetite i think this will be epic dry gains.
GHRP6/2 would make me ragingly hungry.. but the raising in prolactin and cortisol is a bad idea with tren hah... im using ipamorelin instead. Equipose makes me that much more raging hungry and i actually already lost weight despite eating twice in the middle of the night lmao.. It just seems to all go to muscle which is great
Going to be doing squats on sunday so ill indulge in lots of chicken wings and sauce haha... cheat once a week.
Happy happy :)
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Good stuff bro
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I just finished EQ at 600mg/wk for 20 weeks and I think it may be the last time I use it.
This was my 3rd time with the compound and the longest continual dosing. I used from 2 different labs during the cycle (not the best scenario, but was unavoidable).
I gave blood recently to try to thin it out slightly and reduce my RBC. Last bloodwork had noticeable elevated levels.
The added benefit to my stack was marginal at best (using with test/tren). My previous cycles of test/tren alone yielded similar results without the EQ. It also did little to improve the negative impact on my appetite that Tren does to me :(
Maybe my gear wasn't good, maybe I should have gone higher on the dose, I don't know. I'm done with EQ for a while at least, maybe for good.
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It's real hard to find super high quality EQ, but if you do it is worth it. If you are lean It will give you a see-through the skin look. roadmap vascularity and increased appetite. But 90% of the EQ on the market is crap. Very hard to find quality EQ. IT should not be clear like some top chefs EQ, Top notch EQ is a little golden. also it is best to use smaller dosed EQ not these 300mg per ml EQ or 400mg per ml EQ. Alpha-pharma makes killer EQ. The old british Dragon was very hit and miss on their EQ.
some of their batches labelled at 200mg tested at 135mg. But some Tested at 211mg per ml. It is not easy getting super pure EQ raw material. Like I said though EQ is great if it is high quality and you are at a low BF% and know how to stack properly. It can make you look pretty freaky.
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Feeling great! Best combo EVAR!
At the moment EW:
100mg test-e
325mg deca
600mg equipose
600mg tren-e
Low dose test for natural levels of test, doc had me on higher dose of test for trt anyway. Saving money.
Deca for joints and it seems to give me more fullness. It definetely has an anti inflamatory thing going. Still for my rotator cuff injury... its just masking the pain i still feel it... so i have to be careful, still doesn't change the fact I can't train my chest :'(
Equipose = awesome hunger!
Tren = king of kings of steroids
Every day I seem to be growing/leaning so... and i'm only entering third week! :D I have finally found a sweet spot combination for myself. No insomnia, no weird side effects, libido still strong but i pop some viagra just for fun haha. Taking caber 1mg once a week just to be safe from prolactin
Vascularity increasing, watching my forearms, veins are coming out and peaking every day a little more!
As things are going so nicely, I see no need for orals... I want to stay away from them. However I am considering some anavar. I've used it twice and what it does with creatine is pretty ridiculous.. vascularity wise... and the shape of the muscles protruding, plus awesome pumps..
The thing I like dabout var is that it made me look like an early teenager, really awesome for skin, so pretty much for that reason alone and how it shufles creatine i would use maybe 20mg ed. Since its one of the weakest orals and safe on the liver I may do it.
I want to make my cycles longer and steady, before I liked taking orals for them quick gains but not worth it...
No supplements besides vit c 2g and fish oil 10g ed.
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Sounds great man! Let us know how it goes.
I've run Tren/Test/Eq before and had great results.
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Training and diet will be the key factor to any cycle. as long as you train hard and have a great diet you will gain off steroids as long as they are real.
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Feeling great! Best combo EVAR!
At the moment EW:
100mg test-e
325mg deca
600mg equipose
600mg tren-e
Low dose test for natural levels of test, doc had me on higher dose of test for trt anyway. Saving money.
Deca for joints and it seems to give me more fullness. It definetely has an anti inflamatory thing going. Still for my rotator cuff injury... its just masking the pain i still feel it... so i have to be careful, still doesn't change the fact I can't train my chest :'(
Equipose = awesome hunger!
Tren = king of kings of steroids
Every day I seem to be growing/leaning so... and i'm only entering third week! :D I have finally found a sweet spot combination for myself. No insomnia, no weird side effects, libido still strong but i pop some viagra just for fun haha. Taking caber 1mg once a week just to be safe from prolactin
Vascularity increasing, watching my forearms, veins are coming out and peaking every day a little more!
As things are going so nicely, I see no need for orals... I want to stay away from them. However I am considering some anavar. I've used it twice and what it does with creatine is pretty ridiculous.. vascularity wise... and the shape of the muscles protruding, plus awesome pumps..
The thing I like dabout var is that it made me look like an early teenager, really awesome for skin, so pretty much for that reason alone and how it shufles creatine i would use maybe 20mg ed. Since its one of the weakest orals and safe on the liver I may do it.
I want to make my cycles longer and steady, before I liked taking orals for them quick gains but not worth it...
No supplements besides vit c 2g and fish oil 10g ed.
And you feel the need to stack 4 different drugs?
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The little horse head on the label makes it worth taking.
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And you feel the need to stack 4 different drugs?
Nothing wrong with stacking for different purposes.
I like this combination, it is delivering me results and side effect free personally.
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And you feel the need to stack 4 different drugs?
Why not?
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I chose not to go deca this bulk and avoid a 19nor instead ordered some equipose.
I have heard a lot of ppl love it and hate it. Kind of hoping to get slow quality gains out of it in the next 5 months.
I never ran it before so I am excited... I've heard it gives good vascularity and muscle belly roundness/density. Apparently thins and tightens skin if that's true that's a bonus for me, as I have naturally thick skin which even when lean sucks aesthetically. Hoping it helps in healing my shoulder and joint repair... I've read a few reviews that people healed up nicely using equi after injuries and surgeries... all internet talk however I'm excited to start it :)
Should have started it as soon as i got back on trt but alas... plan is to run it at 600-800mg ew alongside a gram of test... A gram of test is pretty common and works well for me. Last year I was cruising on 500mg and blasting at 1g all year long. Instead of relying on orals might as well use more injectables. Although I am considering adding 6 weeks of tbol after 2 months maybe. I love tbol.
Any takers out there who enjoyed equi?
Why you like Tboll?
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i am not a fan of dbol... i love tbol.. dry gains, vascularity, strength, no bloat and painful pumps.
I hate being a moonface, sack of walking water :-/
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i am not a fan of dbol... i love tbol.. dry gains, vascularity, strength, no bloat and painful pumps.
I hate being a moonface, sack of walking water :-/
Tbol is way better then d-bols that is for sure but nothing beats anadrol, unfortunately 90% of anadrols on the market are not anadrol. When you try real anadrol you will know absolutely amazing. I am on 100 Mg per day, I did 75 reps with 185 the other day on bench and my pump was insane and with A's I felt pumped for hours.
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ya i ran anadrol and got huge, i lost the gains maybe because it was anadrol but maybe in part because i had to fast for a month ramadan :P Will try it in the future again for sure. It was insane gains, siez and strength i did 50mg then 100mg myself
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well this is weird... it looks like my thyroid might ev went down, the ravaging hunger is not there, and i seem to have gained a pound and around the waist, veins disappeared... i did lower ai dose BUT... the hunger went down too and recovery slowed, it seemed i could train/eat rest little n train the next day heavy like it was nothing not feeling mentally drained or anything, clear as a clear sunshine day but this is weird, no side effects, everything under control but feeling bloated/as if i gained fat. Fail. I am wondering if i should do what alot of ppl do when on tren and add in some t3 at 25mcg ed. The hunger was absolutely insane and now nothing
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Why not?
Just curious, how do you know whats doing what? And why is 4 different drugs better than say 2 or 3?
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I guess you haven't read enough?
High doses of test and aromatizing is usually the reason for all the side effects. Hence running only trt dose, in fact less than what my doc prescribed me.
Deca is also prescriped sometimes with trt, i am lowering the dose of it actually i just need it for anti inflamatory and it does give slight fullness even at a low dose.
Tren is tren.
Equipose builds lean mass very very very slowly and takes forever to work so i will keep it on all the time, and it's main purpose is to raise appetite, tren suppresses my appetite.
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Just curious, how do you know whats doing what? And why is 4 different drugs better than say 2 or 3?
Bro I can feel exactly what does what, you have to pay attention and know what your body response to.
I just took 50mg of tren E with 50mg of tren A and 250 mg of test E, that went into my left shoulder, then I took 200 mg of EQ and 50mg of prop and that went into my right delt, then I popped 2x 50mg of Anadrol. All this right before supper ;D
Everything I just mention has a precise purpose and it is perfect at the stage I am at to achieve my goals in the next 6 months.
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^Do you use t3 on tren? Out of no where all the heat/sweating and ravaging hunger went away and i gained like a lbs or two around my my waist.. took full ai dose and no its not bloat :( Last page I mentioned it looks like my thyroid plummeted. I am considering getting some t3 and trying 25mcg ed
it was ridiculous prior though, impossible hunger and eating like a mad man and getting leaner at the same time :D Then bam lol
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^Do you use t3 on tren? Out of no where all the heat/sweating and ravaging hunger went away and i gained like a lbs or two around my my waist.. took full ai dose and no its not bloat :( Last page I mentioned it looks like my thyroid plummeted. I am considering getting some t3 and trying 25mcg ed
it was ridiculous prior though, impossible hunger and eating like a mad man and getting leaner at the same time :D Then bam lol
I love my ECA, so I never take t3 in gact I think it is over rated. or clen or anything along those lines. t3 and tren is great but not my style. I recommend you just try some ECA ( it takes hunger a way, its a stimulent for strength in the gym and it is a fat burner, combined with tren and EQ, your body will be a furnace combine that with anadrol and you will have no trouble sleeping at night as tren keeps you up but the anadrol makes you sleepy
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well tren supresses my appetite, hence my reason taking eq. However initially it was like BAM... and i was a furnace, despite eating so much i was looking leaner daily.. ridiculous... and then i am no longer feeling warmth, barely pooping, no desire to eat, i force feed myself but it turned to fat -_-; Lets just say I'm pretty pissed lol.. next paycheque gonna drop in some t3 at 25mcg ed and see how that goes.
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Well just a small update, last two nights at the gym, have been odd. Very strange and when I say odd, I felt a bit worried as it was unusual. Endurance is almost unlimited, after killing it, muscles tire and I have to lay off, but the endurance keeps coming. Also very odd focused vision feeling.
Last night had a kind of low sugar feeling, might have been a fluke last night in particular, a bit nauseas but then when I hit the gym, killed it and it's like my endurance would not disappear! Didn't have that low sugar feeling the day prior or today.
Normally tren gives me a really hard time breathing and totally kills endurance, but my endurance is ridiculously up! I have been breathing with open nose like i am on ephedrine or clen! Usually in fact I would pop a few ephedrines, but I don't see the need. Heart rate goes up while I am breathing and not failing, kind of scares me, so I rest between sets just to be safe. I am going to assume this is from higher RBC from the Equipose.
I also have scarily clear bright vision/focus. Endurance is absolutely up while squatting I just go up and down with only a few pauses on the heavier sets -- as I go ATG never halves.
Strength is noticeably up and coming on, a rep here and there, poundage up, and I am up 10lbs since starting not all lean I'm afraid but still good progress. Deca may be bloating me even though the low dose.
Barely using AI, e3d, no sign of gyno. 1mg caber once a week.
I killed it last night legs/back (only squats and deads for legs, not focusing on isolation for legs). Stuffed myself crazy after workout, and feeling somewhat sore/hungry today. Considering adding in clen but not sure if good idea. I am guessing it may twart gains, but since i am on tren maybe not? Tren+clen = recomp? Not doing any cardio at the moment though so that may be the first thing to throw in instead haha.
It's only too bad I can't train chest, almost flattened entirely out.. two months of no chest exercises... sad... but I have to continue rehab on the rotator... Back days make the rotator feel good too.
I didn't throw in any t3, but considering it alongside clen... just my goal is to gain size but fat sucks :)
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Eq gives me crazy endurance. It makes my cardio and Muay Thai training last much longer with even more effort.
Keep going man, enjoy the results.
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Do you think it would be a good idea to add in t3 at 25mcg?
Also do you think clen would twart gains or would it contribute to a recomp with tren and still be able to gain size?
This is my second time really running tren and the first time was a fail as i did not enough it just brutally killed my appetite. So I am wondering if something above would actually aid in recomp?
I hate cardio I'll be quite frank and I am a bit time constrained so I focus on heavy intense lifting on only.
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Do you think it would be a good idea to add in t3 at 25mcg?
Also do you think clen would twart gains or would it contribute to a recomp with tren and still be able to gain size?
This is my second time really running tren and the first time was a fail as i did not enough it just brutally killed my appetite. So I am wondering if something above would actually aid in recomp?
I hate cardio I'll be quite frank and I am a bit time constrained so I focus on heavy intense lifting on only.
I think 50mcg of T3 would be a good idea, however i'm not a fan of Clen and i doubt it would help much right now. Save the Clen for when you are actually cutting. T3 can be used at 50mcg during bulking no problem. I use it all the time when i bulk with GH/AAS. Tren can make the thyroid a little sluggish so T3 with Tren is common.
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I think i'll listen to your advice. If you followed what i wrote. I initially had retarded cravings for food and its like whatever i ate i didn't know WHERE it went.. it was just BOOM... and I ate ALOT.. and kept looking leaner, then i became sluggish, appetite went down, etc... i kind of 'balanced' since but i did gain fat since I'm pretty sure thyroid is at play... it was roughly at 2 weeks of tren or so that i started noticing slow down..
Well I guess I learn from experience.
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Well just a small update.
Initially I gained 13lbs and got stronger naturally, but it was with some undesirable fat... then switched to a cut and dropped 7lbs... I am stronger and leaner hell ya. Just now slightly upped cals but will continue the cardio as per onetimehard's advices.
Adding in cardio has been very useful, following onetimehard's advices was extremely useful.
Throwing in a few secret recipes in too and results are flowing :) Competing against two buddies to see who reaches our goal PR on squats and deads first hehe. One of my buddies is shooting for low-mid 700lbs on deads... eeh im way far from that one but we're like the three stooges lol.
Compared to my first attempt at trt + tren... this time around running tren with equipose... has been a very smart choice. Awesome cycle and no side effects to speak of. Just gains and fat loss yuppiieee :D Dropped 1.5" on waist.
For me as I have found out, I have a strange metabolism.. on top of the fact that my hormones suck and I have to be on trt anyway. I seem to gain fat easy, but i dont lose it easy on deficit only. I seem to lose it only with extreme cardio and controlled diet but not too much of a defecit. Tren alone does NOT shred me... BUT with the added cardio works AMAZING. Some people shred on just being on tren and eating clean/lifting me not so mcuh. I seem to have a very fast metabolism hence my need to eat a lot to maintain and especially to gain... BUT... the fat seems to never wana go away without cardio.
Everyone's different but I'm glad to figure things out as I go. Experience is key and there is never a one fit all formula :-/
That being said, really glad that I am tightening up, getting stronger, leaner, etc...
Keep going :)
Just set PRs on squats and deads and... I am going to eat. :D
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For me as I have found out, I have a strange metabolism.. on top of the fact that my hormones suck and I have to be on trt anyway. I seem to gain fat easy, but i dont lose it easy on deficit only. I seem to lose it only with extreme cardio and controlled diet but not too much of a defecit. Tren alone does NOT shred me... BUT with the added cardio works AMAZING. Some people shred on just being on tren and eating clean/lifting me not so mcuh. I seem to have a very fast metabolism hence my need to eat a lot to maintain and especially to gain... BUT... the fat seems to never wana go away without cardio.
I'm the same way. Even on Gh/Tren/T3 i can gain fat if i don't watch my diet and do cardio. When i was younger i didn't eat like i do today and i hardly ever did cardio, i gained fat very quickly. I could literally put on 20 pounds of fat a month back in my power lifting days, but it was fat/water. These days i'm following a strict diet year round and i also do cardio 3 times week year round as well. I'm always lean and i'm still building plenty of muscle.
If you are being coached by onetimehard i know you will have great results. Keep us posted.
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I guess you haven't read enough?
reading doesnt mean jack shit. when it comes to this game, you need to experiment on your own and find out what works best for you.
in my own experience, i gain BETTER using large amounts of one steroid, as opposed to splitting up my doseage among several different types.
although, runnning a very low doseage of testosterone alongside a high doseage of another compound does seem to be helpful.
but thats just me.
some guys do better on several compounds, others do better focusing on one. some guys get great gains off test, other guys hate test. some guys love equipoise and deca, others dont get shit out of them. some guys love tren... well, everybody loves tren. ;D
point is, dont read. dont listen to others. just experiment. start out low. work your way up slowly. make sure you can identify what works and what doesnt. use the findings to create your own personally tailored cycling regimine.
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I started EQ for the first time this year, 1200mg front load 3 weeks, drop to 600mg from there on out. We will see how it turns out.
I would agree 100% that you have to play around with doses and, keep log books and figure out what works for you.
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let me know how it pans out for you.
Pretty much only reason i am using equipose is so tren doesn't totally murder my appetite, even now with tren my appetite is still low than when i first started test/equi... appetite was raging... but compared to when i only ran tren.... i now have a 'normal' appetite...
Second reason and actually more important with tren is.. endurance.. i could barely breath while on tren... ephedrine even wasnt enough... but with equi... endurance is normal/awesome... so thats it :)
Let me know how it turns out for u!
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Tren shortens my fuse bad, I ran 400mg week in 2010 but did not notice my anger cause I was going through a devorce.
Ran 400mg week July 2012 and got into an issue anger wise...
Have been talking about running it again, march 2013 before contest at a lower dose for a longer period 50mg eod or so...whos to say.
Any way to combat the short fuse that tren gives? I love the drug, its fantastic and I look great when using it.
EQ is new for me, so far its meh......but I am only 5 shots in (2.5 weeks)
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Are you running high test or low test?
High test + any dose of tren = I can't handle 3 weeks of it.
Low test/trt dose + any dose of tren super high even = no problems. The only side effect I get is crazy sweating at night, no insomnia, no anger issues.
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Small update again, things going well :) Leaning out, upped var, feeeling goood...
I have a wedding to go to dec 29th, i need some new cloths period ;D waist size dropping almost daily lol.
Dropped brown rice to 150g per meal as of today. Morning cardio was more like 3 times a week up to now, gonna push that to 4-5 days this week. Lifting at night.
Tonight gonna train shoulders.
Since as i already mentioned ive been avoiding chest training due to rotator pain, few days ago did arms and felt like doing pushups.. pumped them out no problem.. there was sliiiight sensation.. telling me NOT to do weights BUT.. the next day no pain, or sleeping no pain... so im gona slowly introduce pushups. Did like 8 or was it 10 sets of 15-20 each (pushups). Could have done 100 in a shot how it felt but... i wana ease into it always back of my head that rotator.
much much much much better than few months back where basically the whole area was inflamed, burning, painful, couldn't sleep etc... I think the var is contributing to the healing aside from rest or at least accelerating it.
I will be getting some hygetropins at the end of the month probably and will do 4iu eod.
I really wana push the envelope and get in better shape than ever before. I got the drive and motivation :)
Oh and i have not added any t3 as initially i was asking about. No need as things are going and im not sluggish or feeling cold in feet or whatever that was that one time.
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EQ is new for me, so far its meh......but I am only 5 shots in (2.5 weeks)
EQ always takes a long time to kick in for me. I usually don't start getting the pumps and vascularity until 5-6 weeks.
I also think you need to run at least 600mg of EQ to really benefit from it.
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Are you running high test or low test?
High test + any dose of tren = I can't handle 3 weeks of it.
Low test/trt dose + any dose of tren super high even = no problems. The only side effect I get is crazy sweating at night, no insomnia, no anger issues.
Shit as a matter of fact yes I was when I ran into issues, 1500mg test 400mg tren weekly. The last time I ran it 500mg sust and 400mg tren weekly.
I have to say when on 1500mg + tren = BAD
500mg sust and 400mg tren = GOOD
Will drop my test dose before I run it again and see....Good call!
FYI: I did my last shot of EQ @ 1200 wednesday, I have been mad hungry, zombie like and as a result the extra eating has caused my weight to go up 3 pounds, going to try and eat only meat all weekend hehe.
600mg eq from here on out.
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Last night at the gym bros were miring my shoulder work out :) haha... when ppl suspect ur on ur probably on.
ive dropped the deca (was for joints only). Test-e is at 100mg ew. Tren bumped to 1g Equi to 900mg.
What alot of ppl are starting to do is run test at 100-300 ew.. then do 500-1000 of tren.
The only side effect im getting is MAD SWEATING almost dnp like at night... bloody hell... my pillow gets soaked, bedsheets, i have three pajamas ready to go every night lol.
Anyways I dropped to 200lbs getting leaner and leaner, really proud of it. Just killed myself doing 1hour cardio.. will do tomorrow, after tomorrow 1 hour as well... feeling tough going down to 150g brown rice per meal oh boy itll get interesting when i get to 100g every meal.
Keeping 99% of the strength thus far and in fact i got stronger on everything anyway which is great and since i bumped up the var i believe i may put on some lean mass and strength despite such low calories.
I am killing it, i wana do a crazy recomp/cut that ive never done... so far feeling epic. and shit I need to buy new pants.... waist is tightening every day i frickin love it... the problem i have is finding leggings that fit and most jeans being sold now a days are gay ass skinny pants.
The only prob I am battling now is BP... and its from the var not the tren or equi.
Just eating a meal now after the cardio and just putting carbs in my mouth and i feel its running to my muscle bellies lol. Great pumps!