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Edit: This is the correct scorecard as we had. Not sure what the other is.
Thought that branch was announced in 5th and wolf 6th,well not according to the scorecard. And i thought Phil won by 1 point,.... well not according to the scorecard.
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according to scorecard, banch is 6, wolf 5
interesting.
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Maybe Bob screwed up the announcement. Let's hope Chick doesn't get canned over this.
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Who automatically qualifies for next year, is it top five or top six?
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Thought that branch was announced in 5th and wolf 6th,well not according to the scorecard.And i thought Phil won by 1 point,....well not according to the scorecard.This scorecard is from NPcnewsonline.com
It looks like there were 7 judges scoring and Phil received straight firsts in both rounds for a total of 14. Kai received straight seconds for a total of 28.
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the "Phil won by one point" was a joke by Bob Chic, he said "there was one point in it", then said "in the 212 class between 4th and 5th"
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Who automatically qualifies for next year, is it top five or top six?
yeah, they said only the top four the first night. then they said top five last night.
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wow, phil won every pose. interesting.
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so its a way to get Branch a full years training for the Olympia, to get over his huge adversity and all. ::)
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It looks like there were 7 judges scoring and Phil received straight firsts in both rounds for a total of 14. Kai received straight seconds for a total of 28.
He didn't get straight firsts if that were the case his final score would have been 10 and Kai would have been a 20
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He didn't get straight firsts if that were the case his final score would have been 10 and Kai would have been a 20
Traditionally, there are 5 judges scoring and you're right 10 pts for straight firsts and 20 for straight seconds. But, look at Kai's score of 28. If there were only 5 judges scoring, then several judges scored Kai in 3rd or even 4th place. I think they took the score of 7 judges this time, for whatever reason, and Phil was straight firsts, Kai straight seconds.
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Nice heading row, who was the genius who couldn't figure out the "shrink to fit" option on excel.
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???
Looks like someone gave Bob the wrong results, or Bob screwed up the call.
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They realized the schmoes would disapprove that a bear like Branch came in 6th, so they placed him in 5th.
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Traditionally, there are 5 judges scoring and you're right 10 pts for straight firsts and 20 for straight seconds. But, look at Kai's score of 28. If there were only 5 judges scoring, then several judges scored Kai in 3rd or even 4th place. I think they took the score of 7 judges this time, for whatever reason, and Phil was straight firsts, Kai straight seconds.
think you're right there because scores for all places(2nd, 3rd, 4th etc) all look far higher than previous years.
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It looks like there were 7 judges scoring and Phil received straight firsts in both rounds for a total of 14. Kai received straight seconds for a total of 28.
And the whole"only 1 point in it" bullshit is just to make the crowd think it could have gone either way but Phils the champ and you have to beat the champ.But like its been said Phil must have won 1sts from every judge,and theres no way Phil wins the majority of the comparison poses.
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And the whole"only 1 point in it" bullshit is just to make the crowd think it could have gone either way but Phils the champ and you have to beat the champ.But like its been said Phil must have won 1sts from every judge,and theres no way Phil wins the majority of the comparison poses.
The 1 point thing was a jest, 5 seconds later he said "In the 212 between 5th and 6th"
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Seriously, what the fuck. I expect someone in the know to comment on this matter ASAP.
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What was the difference in money prize between 5th and 6th,cause Dennis must have lost a few grand.
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This is the correct scorecard. First place gets 5 judges votes. There are usually 11 or 13 judges at the Olympia. Each judge individually scores on what they think, then you deduct the 3 or 4 highest placings, and the 3 or four lowest placings, and keep the middle five average.
Hence (based on 11 judges), if Kai got three #1 votes, and eight #2 votes, he still will only get 10 points (middle average).
Likewise, if three judges put Phil Heath in 3rd place, and eight judges put him in first, he still gets the 5 points.
I have no idea what that other scorecard was, 14 points? 28 points? Bob Chick read the scorecard that I had.
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They realized the schmoes would disapprove that a bear like Branch came in 6th, so they placed him in 5th.
;D ;D ;D
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Interesting , I'm surprised it wasn't close , Phil won again with a perfect score I thought it was very close.
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This is the correct scorecard. First place gets 5 judges votes. There are usually 11 or 13 judges at the Olympia. Each judge individually scores on what they think, then you deduct the 3 or 4 highest placings, and the 3 or four lowest placings, and keep the middle five average.
Hence (based on 11 judges), if Kai got three #1 votes, and eight #2 votes, he still will only get 10 points (middle average).
Likewise, if three judges put Phil Heath in 3rd place, and eight judges put him in first, he still gets the 5 points.
I have no idea what that other scorecard was, 14 points? 28 points? Bob Chick read the scorecard that I had.
This looks like the correct one. Where did the bogus scorecard come from?
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This is the correct scorecard. First place gets 5 judges votes. There are usually 11 or 13 judges at the Olympia. Each judge individually scores on what they think, then you deduct the 3 or 4 highest placings, and the 3 or four lowest placings, and keep the middle five average.
Hence (based on 11 judges), if Kai got three #1 votes, and eight #2 votes, he still will only get 10 points (middle average).
Likewise, if three judges put Phil Heath in 3rd place, and eight judges put him in first, he still gets the 5 points.
I have no idea what that other scorecard was, 14 points? 28 points? Bob Chick read the scorecard that I had.
ron, i dont want to get out of line here, i am simply stating the facts, but the npconline news website were the ones that originally posted the scorecard with wolf in 5th and branch in 6th. it was in this link here that this scorecard could be found. JUST NOW, the same link has JUST been edited to show an updated scorecard that makes branch 5th and wolf 6th:
http://npcnewsonline.com/2012-mr-olympia-final-results/33833/
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Like the previous comments have mentioned,the scorecard i posted is from the NPC website.It was posted on facebook by Andy Coulson,EFBB judge and dorians training partner.Things that make you hhmmmm.
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Like the previous comments have mentioned,the scorecard i posted is from the NPC website.It was posted on facebook by Andy Coulson,EFBB judge and dorians training partner.Things that make you hhmmmm.
there is still a small glitch with the npc website. check this out before it gets edited...
you will notice the same scorecard ron has posted, correct? ---> http://npcnewsonline.com/2012-mr-olympia-final-results/33833/screen-shot-2012-09-30-at-9-17-45-am/
but now click on the image of the scorecard that you see come up in that link and tell me what shows up...
:D :o it' still up....
(http://npcnewsonline.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/Mr-Olympia-e1348983639518.jpg)
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Fucking bullshit
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wOW,now that is strange,and if you notice every competitor has a worse score on the "updated" version,except Phil and Kai,they have a better score.So just suppose the iFBB say one is from judging,the other is from the nighttime show,then how come everyones numbers haven`t changed.
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Could we have uncovered Scorecardgate. ;D ;D
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ron, i dont want to get out of line here, i am simply stating the facts, but the npconline news website were the ones that originally posted the scorecard with wolf in 5th and branch in 6th. it was in this link here that this scorecard could be found. JUST NOW, the same link has JUST been edited to show an updated scorecard that makes branch 5th and wolf 6th:
That is the problem with taking a pic of a paper that obviously is not the scorecard. Phil Heath with 14 points? That doesn't make sense, and so on. They had the results and scorecard at the finals where Bob read them. One simple look at it, and you can tell it was not anything but a computer spreadsheet gone haywire, and a 'picture' that was taken, hence why it is dark. Oh well, the official scorecard is up now.
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That is the problem with taking a pic of a paper that obviously is not the scorecard. Phil Heath with 14 points? That doesn't make sense, and so on. They had the results and scorecard at the finals where Bob read them. One simple look at it, and you can tell it was not anything but a computer spreadsheet gone haywire, and a 'picture' that was taken, hence why it is dark. Oh well, the official scorecard is up now.
Ah, the old haywire spreadsheet. Damn you again Microsoft Excel!
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That is the problem with taking a pic of a paper that obviously is not the scorecard. Phil Heath with 14 points? That doesn't make sense, and so on. They had the results and scorecard at the finals where Bob read them. One simple look at it, and you can tell it was not anything but a computer spreadsheet gone haywire, and a 'picture' that was taken, hence why it is dark. Oh well, the official scorecard is up now.
So, there are unofficial spreadsheets being printed off at the judges table? Judging by their inability to format the cells and allowing this non-sensical sheet to be printed, how do we know that the official results made their way up to Bob?
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This is interesting.
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That is the problem with taking a pic of a paper that obviously is not the scorecard. Phil Heath with 14 points? That doesn't make sense, and so on. They had the results and scorecard at the finals where Bob read them. One simple look at it, and you can tell it was not anything but a computer spreadsheet gone haywire, and a 'picture' that was taken, hence why it is dark. Oh well, the official scorecard is up now.
Ron, it does not matter if it makes sense or not, from what I understand npconline is an official NPC site hence it is directly related to IFBB. To make it as simple as possible I will henceforth call "fake" scorecard "old" scorecard and "official" one "new".
- Who and why created old scorecard?
- How on earth this (old scorecard) got to the official NPC website?
- Why can't multi-million dolar organisation afford a guy who can, for fuck's sake, use excel? This is really embarassing.
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Stop the bullshit Ron, you know what's up. ::)
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These are the scores before the highest and lowest marks are dropped.
This tells us the judges had Phil in 1st position across the board.
It also shows us how close it was between Dennis and Branch (mind boggling, but there you have it.)
I think this system needs some refinement. What must Wolf be thinking right now?
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None of this takes away the fact the original pic is a photograph of the judges scoresheet,the "updated" scoresheet is something done on a computer.Some shenanigans being done here on Branchs behalf.
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That is the problem with taking a pic of a paper that obviously is not the scorecard. Phil Heath with 14 points? That doesn't make sense, and so on. They had the results and scorecard at the finals where Bob read them. One simple look at it, and you can tell it was not anything but a computer spreadsheet gone haywire, and a 'picture' that was taken, hence why it is dark. Oh well, the official scorecard is up now.
Ron Phil's score of 14 makes perfect sense. They had 11 judges, they drop 4 scores the top and bottom two. That is 7 points for each round is a total of 14.