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Title: Heath and Kai have surpassed everyone in the 90s except Dorian and Ronnie.
Post by: Wiggs on September 30, 2012, 04:15:58 PM
Prove me wrong

1. Ronnie, 98 Mr. O. or the Grand Prix show.
2. Dorian 96 Grand Prix
3. Heath 12 Mr. O(Night show)
4. Kai 12 Mr. O Night show.
5  Mr. O. Wheeler 93 Arnold Classic
6. Levrone 97 Grand Prix

Watch the video of the night show. Kai and Heath have taken shit to new levels. The conditioning is insane. This is special.

http://streaming.bodybuilding.com/2012-olympia-webcast/?q=mr-olympia-finals-routines-replay-2


Title: Re: Heath and Kai have surpassed everyone in the 90s except Dorian and Ronnie.
Post by: Metabolic on September 30, 2012, 04:19:09 PM
Conditioning was not even close to ground breaking....neither was size.  I dont see what you are talking about.


Title: Re: Heath and Kai have surpassed everyone in the 90s except Dorian and Ronnie.
Post by: arce1988 on September 30, 2012, 04:19:18 PM
  It is getting crazy


Title: Re: Heath and Kai have surpassed everyone in the 90s except Dorian and Ronnie.
Post by: njflex on September 30, 2012, 04:21:33 PM
1. Ronnie, 98 Mr. O. or the Grand Prix show.
2. Dorian 96 Grand Prix
3. Heath 12 Mr. O(Night show)
4. Kai 12 Mr. O Night show.
5  Mr. O. Wheeler 93 Arnold Classic
6. Levrone 97 Grand Prix

Watch the video of the night show. Kai and Heath have taken shit to new levels. The conditioning is insane. This is special.

http://streaming.bodybuilding.com/2012-olympia-webcast/?q=mr-olympia-finals-routines-replay-2
true,,,wheeler and kev started smaller if thats possible and shredded for there 1st mro's and yeah 97 kev and 96 he was at his biggest 'shaved 'head yrs and wheeler got bigger 96-99 with his look ,,,that would have been interesting top 4,,kev had legs too in his early yrs like kai and heath maybe not crazy like kai's but he good wheels,,,


Title: Re: Heath and Kai have surpassed everyone in the 90s except Dorian and Ronnie.
Post by: Wiggs on September 30, 2012, 04:22:33 PM
Watch the video. then post a video of showing other than what I said a better bodybuilder on stage.


Title: Re: Heath and Kai have surpassed everyone in the 90s except Dorian and Ronnie.
Post by: Metabolic on September 30, 2012, 04:24:09 PM
Watch the video. then post a video of showing other than what I said a better bodybuilder on stage.

We have threads about the 90īs every day...just skim through them.  93, 94, 98, 99...


Title: Re: Heath and Kai have surpassed everyone in the 90s except Dorian and Ronnie.
Post by: TRIX on September 30, 2012, 04:25:35 PM
1. Ronnie 99
2. Ronnie 98
3. Ronnie 2000
4. Ronnie 03
5. Ronnie 05.

in fact 2000 Coleman is my favourite


Title: Re: Heath and Kai have surpassed everyone in the 90s except Dorian and Ronnie.
Post by: arce1988 on September 30, 2012, 04:27:17 PM
  I still think Shawn and Flex should have an O.


Title: Re: Heath and Kai have surpassed everyone in the 90s except Dorian and Ronnie.
Post by: Irongrip400 on September 30, 2012, 04:28:50 PM
1. Ronnie 99
2. Ronnie 98
3. Ronnie 2000
4. Ronnie 03
5. Ronnie 05.

in fact 2000 Coleman is my favourite

Reminds me of the Chappelle Show skit. "Who are the five best rappers of all time? Dylan, Dylan, Dylan , Dylan and Dylan. "


Title: Re: Heath and Kai have surpassed everyone in the 90s except Dorian and Ronnie.
Post by: Wiggs on September 30, 2012, 04:31:57 PM
The only people that could up to this point ever beat or match this shot from head to toe is Coleman, and Yates. That's it. Flex would get destroyed, Shawn Ray?  lol... Heath and Kai are on a new level


Title: Re: Heath and Kai have surpassed everyone in the 90s except Dorian and Ronnie.
Post by: arce1988 on September 30, 2012, 04:34:47 PM
 So: Ronnie, Dorian, Phil, and Kai?


Title: Re: Heath and Kai have surpassed everyone in the 90s except Dorian and Ronnie.
Post by: Wiggs on September 30, 2012, 04:35:55 PM
So: Ronnie, Dorian, Phil, and Kai?

As of right now Phil, Kai yes....


Title: Re: Heath and Kai have surpassed everyone in the 90s except Dorian and Ronnie.
Post by: arce1988 on September 30, 2012, 04:40:13 PM
  That BDB does have those four being the top


Title: Re: Heath and Kai have surpassed everyone in the 90s except Dorian and Ronnie.
Post by: IceCold on September 30, 2012, 04:48:34 PM
kevin and flex could still be competitive

early kevin when he had legs and early flex before the oil could give both phil and kai trouble.

kai has a wierd build

shit, I'll take a 95 francois from the arnold and nasser from 95 noc.

the olympia has always been about size, and the guys from the 90's had it AND the density

u can only slin load so much....


Title: Re: Heath and Kai have surpassed everyone in the 90s except Dorian and Ronnie.
Post by: Viking11 on September 30, 2012, 04:48:58 PM
Yep!  This rivalry they have is making them both better (not bigger, but better), and is possibly the best thing that could have happened to bodybuilding.  Throw in the emergent and aesthetic Shawn Rhoden, and you've got to be big, shredded and well shaped or forget top 3, or with Dexter resurgent for now, top 4.


Title: Re: Heath and Kai have surpassed everyone in the 90s except Dorian and Ronnie.
Post by: Wiggs on September 30, 2012, 04:49:13 PM
Damn, I'd thought I'd get more arguements...Cause you really can't argue against it. To me, this is the best top two I've ever seen.


Title: Re: Heath and Kai have surpassed everyone in the 90s except Dorian and Ronnie.
Post by: Wiggs on September 30, 2012, 04:53:03 PM
kevin and flex could still be competitive

early kevin when he had legs and early flex before the oil could give both phil and kai trouble.

kai has a wierd build

shit, I'll take a 95 francois from the arnold and nasser from 95 noc.

the olympia has always been about size, and the guys from the 90's had it AND the density

u can only slin load so much....

the problem is the guys from the 90s had the conditioning...then they lost the conditioning for size as the 90s went on.  Now we have athletes with extreme size and extreme conditioning something only perfected by Ronnie and Dorian.  Add two the the list cause 5'9 Heath at 246 lbs looks insane. Like stone. And Kai at 5'8 256lbs  is fucking sick.  This is what Flex, Levrone, Ray and Cormier was supposed to be.  Heath and Kai are that.


Title: Re: Heath and Kai have surpassed everyone in the 90s except Dorian and Ronnie.
Post by: nicorulez on September 30, 2012, 05:07:39 PM
Wiggs,

I agree completely. However, I feel that Dorian 1993 Mr. Olympia should be behind RC...pick a year  ;D. Barring that, Kai and Phil shit over all other bodybuilders ever including Dorian 1992/1994/1997 and Ronnie 2004. Phil has the best muscle belly tie ins ever. If he were as wide as Ronnie, there wouldn't even be a question of who is the best of all time.


Title: Re: Heath and Kai have surpassed everyone in the 90s except Dorian and Ronnie.
Post by: willie mosconi on September 30, 2012, 05:08:41 PM
The '90s was the greatest era of bodybuilding- Ronnie, Yates, Flex, Levrone, Ray, Dillet were all better than Kai or Phil.


Title: Re: Heath and Kai have surpassed everyone in the 90s except Dorian and Ronnie.
Post by: Wiggs on September 30, 2012, 05:12:34 PM
The '90s was the greatest era of bodybuilding- Ronnie, Yates, Flex, Levrone, Ray, Dillet were all better than Kai or Phil.

Care post some video or pics to prove your point? I already stated Ronnie and Dorian were outside of them, your nuts. 220 lb wheeler would get raped by Phil or Kai last night.


Title: Re: Heath and Kai have surpassed everyone in the 90s except Dorian and Ronnie.
Post by: Nails on September 30, 2012, 05:16:05 PM
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Title: Re: Heath and Kai have surpassed everyone in the 90s except Dorian and Ronnie.
Post by: njflex on September 30, 2012, 05:17:45 PM
Care post some video or pics to prove your point? I already stated Ronnie and Dorian were outside of them, your nuts. 220 lb wheeler would get raped by Phil or Kai last night.
how about 96-98 wheeler he was till getting good condition plus the cartoon bi's/delts he was shooting up,,,he was over 240 then,...


Title: Re: Heath and Kai have surpassed everyone in the 90s except Dorian and Ronnie.
Post by: IceCold on September 30, 2012, 05:18:52 PM
Damn, I'd thought I'd get more arguements...Cause you really can't argue against it. To me, this is the best top two I've ever seen.

no way...

below-   would all beat kai and phil

93...yates and flex ol

97...yates and nasser...too much mass

01...jay and ronnie

06...jay and ronnie

watching the night show, kai was smooth and flat..he looked better when he won the ny show last year...triceps and quads were more striated, bigger, harder and even the color was better

kai never even came close to beating jay, let alone the guys from the 90's who would have beaten jay


Title: Re: Heath and Kai have surpassed everyone in the 90s except Dorian and Ronnie.
Post by: MB on September 30, 2012, 05:19:18 PM
David Henry has a better BDB than Phil.


Title: Re: Heath and Kai have surpassed everyone in the 90s except Dorian and Ronnie.
Post by: Wiggs on September 30, 2012, 05:22:03 PM
how about 96-98 wheeler he was till getting good condition plus the cartoon bi's/delts he was shooting up,,,he was over 240 then,...

The only time wheeler showed up to anything close to the condition of Ronnie, Dorian, Phik or Kai was in 93 at 216 lbs at 5 10 and 98 arnold classic at 232. Even then, Phil and Kai have advanced it to a new level.


Title: Re: Heath and Kai have surpassed everyone in the 90s except Dorian and Ronnie.
Post by: Irongrip400 on September 30, 2012, 05:22:27 PM
There is nothing about body building that isn't gay. Anyone who would care to argue just needs to look at the pics in this thread.


Title: Re: Heath and Kai have surpassed everyone in the 90s except Dorian and Ronnie.
Post by: Wiggs on September 30, 2012, 05:23:49 PM
Its art to me. Sorry you feel that way.


Title: Re: Heath and Kai have surpassed everyone in the 90s except Dorian and Ronnie.
Post by: G_Thang on September 30, 2012, 05:25:39 PM
i'm not a fan but they'd have problems with 2009 Jay since he'd be diced at 265 or so.

 (http://www.bodybuildingdungeon.com/forums/attachments/ifbb-pro-show-discussion/22331d1336472866-will-jay-cutler-regain-olympia-title-jay-cutler-mr-olympia-2009-www.musclebase.blogspot.com.jpg)


Title: Re: Heath and Kai have surpassed everyone in the 90s except Dorian and Ronnie.
Post by: Archer77 on September 30, 2012, 05:26:32 PM
Now your just trolling.


Title: Re: Heath and Kai have surpassed everyone in the 90s except Dorian and Ronnie.
Post by: Irongrip400 on September 30, 2012, 05:27:07 PM
Its art to me. Sorry you feel that way.

 :D
It's only art if you want it to be!


Title: Re: Heath and Kai have surpassed everyone in the 90s except Dorian and Ronnie.
Post by: Wiggs on September 30, 2012, 05:27:32 PM
i'm not a fan but they'd have problems with 2009 Jay.

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Post Jays back shots he would get raped. Hell, he would get raped period by Phil AND Kai. 40 inch waist and all.


Title: Re: Heath and Kai have surpassed everyone in the 90s except Dorian and Ronnie.
Post by: G_Thang on September 30, 2012, 05:29:40 PM
Post Jays back shots he would get raped. Hell, he would get raped period by Phil AND Kai. 40 inch waist and all.

phil and kai have turtle shell backs like dexter while 09 jay expanded like coleman and yates because of his wide base and clavicles.  he could get away with less detail against those two.



Title: Re: Heath and Kai have surpassed everyone in the 90s except Dorian and Ronnie.
Post by: Wiggs on September 30, 2012, 05:32:04 PM
phil and kai have turtle shell backs like dexter while 09 jay expanded like coleman and yates because of his wide base and clavicles.  he could get away with less detail against those two.



Lets see the pics. Cause it will be laughable.


Title: Re: Heath and Kai have surpassed everyone in the 90s except Dorian and Ronnie.
Post by: mesmorph78 on September 30, 2012, 05:38:21 PM
not passed cormier, nassr flex levrone shawn or jay no friggin way..
where is his damn chest.....
clowns


Title: Re: Heath and Kai have surpassed everyone in the 90s except Dorian and Ronnie.
Post by: mesmorph78 on September 30, 2012, 05:39:08 PM
you would compare kai to a cormier have you ll been smoking crack....


Title: Re: Heath and Kai have surpassed everyone in the 90s except Dorian and Ronnie.
Post by: G_Thang on September 30, 2012, 05:40:35 PM
you would compare kai to a cormier have you ll been smoking crack....

cormier never won anything BIG. kai > cormier.  

cormier couldn't even top Ray, who refused to go beyond 212 lbs.


Title: Re: Heath and Kai have surpassed everyone in the 90s except Dorian and Ronnie.
Post by: mesmorph78 on September 30, 2012, 05:42:21 PM
so that means branch is better than cormier too because he won the arsenal....
...
i wouldnt even post another word on this dumb thread...
 :D


Title: Re: Heath and Kai have surpassed everyone in the 90s except Dorian and Ronnie.
Post by: tbombz on September 30, 2012, 05:44:33 PM
Reminds me of the Chappelle Show skit. "Who are the five best rappers of all time? Dylan, Dylan, Dylan , Dylan and Dylan. "
;D   ;D   ;D


Title: Re: Heath and Kai have surpassed everyone in the 90s except Dorian and Ronnie.
Post by: Bevo on September 30, 2012, 05:44:49 PM
cormier never won anything BIG. kai > cormier.  

cormier couldn't even top Ray, who refused to go beyond 212 lbs.

I agree although Chris is one of my favs, we used to BS around a lot in Venice golds but at this point even dex is better than Chris ever was

Phil surpassed everything levrone ever presented also, many disagree but he has...


Title: Re: Heath and Kai have surpassed everyone in the 90s except Dorian and Ronnie.
Post by: G_Thang on September 30, 2012, 05:45:40 PM
so that means branch is better than cormier too because he won the arsenal....
...
i wouldnt even post another word on this dumb thread...
 :D

it's not about our little debates.  

best branch > best cormier at the arnold and the olympia in the JUDGES' EYES.  what big titles did cormier win?  he was king of the 10k shows.


Title: Re: Heath and Kai have surpassed everyone in the 90s except Dorian and Ronnie.
Post by: tbombz on September 30, 2012, 05:49:29 PM
it's not about our little debates.  

best branch > best cormier at the arnold and the olympia in the JUDGES' EYES.  what big titles did cormier win?  he was king of the 10k shows.
no judge would ever put a prime cormier behind a prime branch. thats just stupid talk man.


Title: Re: Heath and Kai have surpassed everyone in the 90s except Dorian and Ronnie.
Post by: mesmorph78 on September 30, 2012, 05:51:08 PM
i dont rely on anyone to tell me who is better... god gave me two eyes at the end of the day
IMO sports real sprts are measure by a quantity ... ie time weight, speed... not some of schmoes jack off preferences....
cormier shits all over heath and kai combined... no discussion


Title: Re: Heath and Kai have surpassed everyone in the 90s except Dorian and Ronnie.
Post by: Archer77 on September 30, 2012, 05:52:49 PM
no judge would ever put a prime cormier behind a prime branch. thats just stupid talk man.

Stranger things have happened.


Title: Re: Heath and Kai have surpassed everyone in the 90s except Dorian and Ronnie.
Post by: G_Thang on September 30, 2012, 05:54:19 PM
no judge would ever put a prime cormier behind a prime branch. thats just stupid talk man.

WTF did Cormier win outside of 10k shows? He'd lose to Branch in both of Branch's Arnold wins!


Title: Re: Heath and Kai have surpassed everyone in the 90s except Dorian and Ronnie.
Post by: Bevo on September 30, 2012, 05:58:58 PM
i dont rely on anyone to tell me who is better... god gave me two eyes at the end of the day
IMO sports real sprts are measure by a quantity ... ie time weight, speed... not some of schmoes jack off preferences....
cormier shits all over heath and kai combined... no discussion


God forgot to give you a brain


Title: Re: Heath and Kai have surpassed everyone in the 90s except Dorian and Ronnie.
Post by: IceCold on September 30, 2012, 06:05:25 PM
Lets see the pics. Cause it will be laughable.

jays lower body is bigger and better conditioned than both phil and kai.

not to mention 30lbs bigger and wider


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Title: Re: Heath and Kai have surpassed everyone in the 90s except Dorian and Ronnie.
Post by: G_Thang on September 30, 2012, 06:08:27 PM
jays lower body is bigger and better conditioned than both phil and kai.

not to mention 30lbs bigger and wider


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I don't know if he would have won last night, but he would have disrupted the pattern of call outs between those 2.


Title: Re: Heath and Kai have surpassed everyone in the 90s except Dorian and Ronnie.
Post by: willie mosconi on September 30, 2012, 06:30:00 PM
WTF did Cormier win outside of 10k shows? He'd lose to Branch in both of Branch's Arnold wins!

Cormier deserved to the win the Arnold on at least 2 occasions and should have won the '99 Olympia. I think his reputation hindered him- sort of like Kai actually


Title: Re: Heath and Kai have surpassed everyone in the 90s except Dorian and Ronnie.
Post by: willie mosconi on September 30, 2012, 06:30:40 PM
The only time wheeler showed up to anything close to the condition of Ronnie, Dorian, Phik or Kai was in 93 at 216 lbs at 5 10 and 98 arnold classic at 232. Even then, Phil and Kai have advanced it to a new level.

Bodybuilding should not be judged on body weight.


Title: Re: Heath and Kai have surpassed everyone in the 90s except Dorian and Ronnie.
Post by: johnny1 on September 30, 2012, 06:31:08 PM
jays lower body is bigger and better conditioned than both phil and kai.

not to mention 30lbs bigger and wider


(http://lh5.ggpht.com/_4cA84Xkh6CQ/THfiXvrHamI/AAAAAAAAAyk/M9Y04ZS2XQs/jay%20cutler%20back%20double%20bicep%20pose%5B1%5D_thumb%5B1%5D.png)

2001 or 2009 Cutler would more than likey beat ether of those 2 too Massive, conditioned etc, doesnt matter anymore he wont get back to that sort of shape again Cutlers best move would be to stay exactly where he is right now and be content with 4 MR Olympias his best is done.


Title: Re: Heath and Kai have surpassed everyone in the 90s except Dorian and Ronnie.
Post by: G_Thang on September 30, 2012, 06:34:07 PM
Cormier deserved to the win the Arnold on at least 2 occasions and should have won the '99 Olympia. I think his reputation hindered him- sort of like Kai actually

his reputation didn't hinder him from beating shawn ray, which he couldn't do either.  and shawn never maxed out his potential, because he refused to compete over 212.  if shawn was at last night's O, he would have taken his usual 3rd - 5th place spot. 

cormier never really put it together to beat the best.  instead, he beat up on melvin anthony in 10k shows.  review shawn's inside and out to see what i mean.


Title: Re: Heath and Kai have surpassed everyone in the 90s except Dorian and Ronnie.
Post by: willie mosconi on September 30, 2012, 06:37:45 PM
his reputation didn't hinder him from beating shawn ray, which he couldn't do either.  and shawn never maxed out his potential, because he refused to compete over 212.  if shawn was at last night's O, he would have taken his usual 3rd - 5th place spot. 

cormier never really put it together to beat the best.  instead, he beat up on melvin anthony in 10k shows.  review shawn's inside and out to see what i mean.

Cormier put it all together at 2 of the ASC's- can't remember which exact years- he should have beat Cutler and Dex on another occasion. He had no flaws at all in the '99 Mr O- basically perfect physique


Title: Re: Heath and Kai have surpassed everyone in the 90s except Dorian and Ronnie.
Post by: Shockwave on September 30, 2012, 06:46:23 PM
Im not sure whether I'd take 93 Dorian or 96.
I think Phil would be pretty close with this version of Wheeler.

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Title: Re: Heath and Kai have surpassed everyone in the 90s except Dorian and Ronnie.
Post by: caseyviator on September 30, 2012, 06:55:06 PM
i'm not a fan but they'd have problems with 2009 Jay since he'd be diced at 265 or so.

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if u really actually compare the guys this pic of jay this year he would have beat phil in 12 but not in 11 phil was the alltime best in 11....these guys from the 90s would be crushed,,, people just get used to bigger n harder guys then if u compare the 90s guys its no comparison  imo


Title: Re: Heath and Kai have surpassed everyone in the 90s except Dorian and Ronnie.
Post by: nicorulez on September 30, 2012, 07:12:03 PM
GOAT


Title: Re: Heath and Kai have surpassed everyone in the 90s except Dorian and Ronnie.
Post by: NeoSeminole on September 30, 2012, 07:17:18 PM
:) :) :)


Title: Re: Heath and Kai have surpassed everyone in the 90s except Dorian and Ronnie.
Post by: nicorulez on September 30, 2012, 07:19:56 PM
Dorian's great but his back is flat compared to Ronnie and even Phil. Conditioning was off the chart however and this pic was 1994 when he was not considered his best.


Title: Re: Heath and Kai have surpassed everyone in the 90s except Dorian and Ronnie.
Post by: johnny1 on September 30, 2012, 07:45:36 PM
Dorian's great but his back is flat compared to Ronnie and even Phil. Conditioning was off the chart however and this pic was 1994 when he was not considered his best.
.........His Conditioning is STILL the standard


Title: Re: Heath and Kai have surpassed everyone in the 90s except Dorian and Ronnie.
Post by: njflex on September 30, 2012, 07:46:56 PM
Dorian's great but his back is flat compared to Ronnie and even Phil. Conditioning was off the chart however and this pic was 1994 when he was not considered his best.
heath /kai looked great from the back reardb pose,,but shawn ray is some 30lbs less than the both of them and his shot above is pretty insane...at 215lbs,,,,


Title: Re: Heath and Kai have surpassed everyone in the 90s except Dorian and Ronnie.
Post by: NeoSeminole on September 30, 2012, 07:52:19 PM
.........His Conditioning is STILL the standard

lol, I could post a pic of Ronnie looking more shredded and dry from the front and you Dorian fanboys would cry "all genetics" yet you overlook the same when it applies to Dorian's back. Hell, even his son has better definition from the back than most pros. If that doesn't scream "genetics," then I don't know what does


Title: Re: Heath and Kai have surpassed everyone in the 90s except Dorian and Ronnie.
Post by: Shockwave on September 30, 2012, 07:55:54 PM
lol, I could post a pic of Ronnie looking more shredded and dry from the front and you Dorian fanboys would cry "all genetics" yet you overlook the same when it applies to Dorian's back. Hell, even his son has better definition from the back than most pros. If that doesn't scream "genetics," then I don't know what does
Man... Please don't start. This thread is about the philster.


Title: Re: Heath and Kai have surpassed everyone in the 90s except Dorian and Ronnie.
Post by: Jadeveon Clowney on September 30, 2012, 08:08:17 PM
GOAT

GOTA's ass is eating his manties.


Title: Re: Heath and Kai have surpassed everyone in the 90s except Dorian and Ronnie.
Post by: johnny1 on September 30, 2012, 08:11:07 PM
lol, I could post a pic of Ronnie looking more shredded and dry from the front and you Dorian fanboys would cry "all genetics" yet you overlook the same when it applies to Dorian's back. Hell, even his son has better definition from the back than most pros. If that doesn't scream "genetics," then I don't know what does
;D ;D ;D....Well thats interesting.... me a "Dorian fan boy" considering this Particular picture was posted BY YOU NEOSEMINOLE elsewhere in Defense of Yates :P so unless theres another NeoSeminole online who elsewhere outside of GB who backs up Yates its rather amusing one minute your Defending Yates elsewhere...Then Coleman....oh now back @ GB its Coleman over Yates... FYI Yates and Coleman from my Perspective are 50/50 @ their peaks both had advantages the other didnt.


Title: Re: Heath and Kai have surpassed everyone in the 90s except Dorian and Ronnie.
Post by: NeoSeminole on September 30, 2012, 08:18:25 PM
....Well thats interesting.... me a "Dorian fan boy" considering this Particular picture was posted BY YOU NEOSEMINOLE elsewhere in Defense of Yates so unless theres another NeoSeminole online who elsewhere outside of GB who backs up Yates its rather amusing one minute your Defending Yates elsewhere...Then Coleman....oh now back @ GB its Coleman over Yates... FYI Yates and Coleman from my Perspective are 50/50 @ their peaks both had advantages the other didnt.

don't let my posts fool you. I'm a huge Dorian fan and I actually prefer his 92 pre-contest look over any version of Ronnie from a non-judging perspective. I defend Dorian when people say he had horrible legs or that he wouldn't place in the top 3 nowadays. However, my posts on Getbig are a reflection of ND's equally outlandish attacks on Ronnie. The more ridiculous his comments, the more absurd mine become


Title: Re: Heath and Kai have surpassed everyone in the 90s except Dorian and Ronnie.
Post by: BigCyp on October 01, 2012, 05:17:35 AM
Wiggs, you seem to care a lot about bodybuilding for a heterosexual man...

Are there flings?


Title: Re: Heath and Kai have surpassed everyone in the 90s except Dorian and Ronnie.
Post by: King Shizzo on October 01, 2012, 05:32:31 AM
Prove me wrong

1. Ronnie, 98 Mr. O. or the Grand Prix show.
2. Dorian 96 Grand Prix
3. Heath 12 Mr. O(Night show)
4. Kai 12 Mr. O Night show.
5  Mr. O. Wheeler 93 Arnold Classic
6. Levrone 97 Grand Prix

Watch the video of the night show. Kai and Heath have taken shit to new levels. The conditioning is insane. This is special.

http://streaming.bodybuilding.com/2012-olympia-webcast/?q=mr-olympia-finals-routines-replay-2
Sean Ray would like to have a word with you.


Title: Re: Heath and Kai have surpassed everyone in the 90s except Dorian and Ronnie.
Post by: jaejonna on October 01, 2012, 08:21:15 PM
Cormier put it all together at 2 of the ASC's- can't remember which exact years- he should have beat Cutler and Dex on another occasion. He had no flaws at all in the '99 Mr O- basically perfect physique

(http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRMkT5OOxrDItQqCIkMZr5D55M7rlDcHpHlFkURYDamtz1Lg7wK6g)


Title: Re: Heath and Kai have surpassed everyone in the 90s except Dorian and Ronnie.
Post by: mesmorph78 on October 01, 2012, 08:25:39 PM
(http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRMkT5OOxrDItQqCIkMZr5D55M7rlDcHpHlFkURYDamtz1Lg7wK6g)
exactly zero flaws/...
wouldnt even mention kai or phil in the same breath... just look at the mr o line up on saturday....
compare that to a 99 mr o.... you people are nuts


Title: Re: Heath and Kai have surpassed everyone in the 90s except Dorian and Ronnie.
Post by: Parker on October 01, 2012, 08:32:15 PM
The only people that could up to this point ever beat or match this shot from head to toe is Coleman, and Yates. That's it. Flex would get destroyed, Shawn Ray?  lol... Heath and Kai are on a new level
And 216 pounds, no bulging obliques, or gut...not the biggest arms, but very separated and detailed
and one of the deepest detailed backs.
(http://bodybuildingcafe.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/flex-wheeler-fsc.jpg)


Title: Re: Heath and Kai have surpassed everyone in the 90s except Dorian and Ronnie.
Post by: willie mosconi on October 01, 2012, 09:06:53 PM
(http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRMkT5OOxrDItQqCIkMZr5D55M7rlDcHpHlFkURYDamtz1Lg7wK6g)

It still boggles my mind that Cutler beat Cormier in that show


Title: Re: Heath and Kai have surpassed everyone in the 90s except Dorian and Ronnie.
Post by: Earl1972 on October 01, 2012, 09:51:26 PM
wiggs has lost his mind

E


Title: Re: Heath and Kai have surpassed everyone in the 90s except Dorian and Ronnie.
Post by: Iceman1981 on October 01, 2012, 09:57:37 PM
wiggs has lost his mind

E

Earl, do you have any other pics of Kevin hitting this pose? All I have are these two.



Title: Re: Heath and Kai have surpassed everyone in the 90s except Dorian and Ronnie.
Post by: Shockwave on October 01, 2012, 10:09:09 PM
Earl, do you have any other Levrone pics of Kevin hitting this pose? All I have are these two.


Excepting the legs, they actually look pretty comparable, although I feel that Levrone is probably about 6 inches wider than Phil.


Title: Re: Heath and Kai have surpassed everyone in the 90s except Dorian and Ronnie.
Post by: SF1900 on October 01, 2012, 10:12:55 PM
No one can hang with this. Ronnie destroys phil

(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-MAKlUN9Pv80/T3lxhJToTUI/AAAAAAAAAUo/gPUskbBYHLI/s640/2.jpg)


Title: Re: Heath and Kai have surpassed everyone in the 90s except Dorian and Ronnie.
Post by: Iceman1981 on October 01, 2012, 10:27:57 PM
Excepting the legs, they actually look pretty comparable, although I feel that Levrone is probably about 6 inches wider than Phil.

They look comparable. Too nad Kevin's legs were gone by then. Look at Phil's forearms and where they attach. The thickness and separation is crazy.


Title: Re: Heath and Kai have surpassed everyone in the 90s except Dorian and Ronnie.
Post by: Hypo on October 02, 2012, 02:50:07 AM
No.

http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XNjUyMTMzMTY=.html (http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XNjUyMTMzMTY=.html)


Title: Re: Heath and Kai have surpassed everyone in the 90s except Dorian and Ronnie.
Post by: PJim on October 02, 2012, 02:59:03 AM
A lot of people clearly haven't read the title of the thread lol.


Title: Re: Heath and Kai have surpassed everyone in the 90s except Dorian and Ronnie.
Post by: Jaime on October 02, 2012, 04:41:31 AM
Wiggs,

I agree completely. However, I feel that Dorian 1993 Mr. Olympia should be behind RC...pick a year  ;D. Barring that, Kai and Phil shit over all other bodybuilders ever including Dorian 1992/1994/1997 and Ronnie 2004. Phil has the best muscle belly tie ins ever. If he were as wide as Ronnie, there wouldn't even be a question of who is the best of all time.


No.


Title: Re: Heath and Kai have surpassed everyone in the 90s except Dorian and Ronnie.
Post by: Jaime on October 02, 2012, 04:50:39 AM
cormier never won anything BIG. kai > cormier.  

cormier couldn't even top Ray, who refused to go beyond 212 lbs.


Chris got robbed at the Ac numerous times.


Title: Re: Heath and Kai have surpassed everyone in the 90s except Dorian and Ronnie.
Post by: njflex on October 02, 2012, 08:23:58 AM
They look comparable. Too nad Kevin's legs were gone by then. Look at Phil's forearms and where they attach. The thickness and separation is crazy.
his forearms are sick,,,91-96 kevs legs might be close to heaths and seperation were deep as well.


Title: Re: Heath and Kai have surpassed everyone in the 90s except Dorian and Ronnie.
Post by: mesmorph78 on October 02, 2012, 08:27:05 AM

No.
agree... aside from arms....
where else are these great tie ins...???
shakes head...
his chest... ???


Title: Re: Heath and Kai have surpassed everyone in the 90s except Dorian and Ronnie.
Post by: Rami on October 02, 2012, 08:28:25 AM
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_mC1TEdZ4gks/S0eHvu4xgRI/AAAAAAAAFI0/sIoRtcxrhds/s1600/Jay+Cutler+Mr+Olympia+2009+-+www.musclebase.blogspot.com.JPG)


Title: Re: Heath and Kai have surpassed everyone in the 90s except Dorian and Ronnie.
Post by: The Abdominal Snoman on October 02, 2012, 09:30:04 AM
WTF did Cormier win outside of 10k shows? He'd lose to Branch in both of Branch's Arnold wins!

To be fair, he crushed Cutler at the 2004 Arnold when Cutler came in looking like a string of spaghetti. Cutler must have done some unthinking sexual acts to win that Arnold.


Title: Re: Heath and Kai have surpassed everyone in the 90s except Dorian and Ronnie.
Post by: POTA on October 02, 2012, 09:43:09 AM
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_mC1TEdZ4gks/S0eHvu4xgRI/AAAAAAAAFI0/sIoRtcxrhds/s1600/Jay+Cutler+Mr+Olympia+2009+-+www.musclebase.blogspot.com.JPG)
(http://imgon.net/di-UAFC.jpg)


Title: Re: Heath and Kai have surpassed everyone in the 90s except Dorian and Ronnie.
Post by: Anglo on October 02, 2012, 09:44:30 AM
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Title: Re: Heath and Kai have surpassed everyone in the 90s except Dorian and Ronnie.
Post by: FitnessFrenzy on October 02, 2012, 10:00:51 AM
I hope they don't kill themselves in the process of looking that ripped.


Title: Re: Heath and Kai have surpassed everyone in the 90s except Dorian and Ronnie.
Post by: Wiggs on October 02, 2012, 10:03:29 AM
I hope they don't kill themselves in the process of looking that ripped.

collateral damage.


Title: Re: Heath and Kai have surpassed everyone in the 90s except Dorian and Ronnie.
Post by: FitnessFrenzy on October 02, 2012, 10:04:04 AM
INSANE conditioning:


(http://www.gratisimage.dk/image-B4C8_506B1E7B.jpg)


Title: Re: Heath and Kai have surpassed everyone in the 90s except Dorian and Ronnie.
Post by: PJim on October 02, 2012, 11:02:57 AM
INSANE conditioning:


(http://www.gratisimage.dk/image-B4C8_506B1E7B.jpg)


Arguably one of the best bdb of all time.


Title: Re: Heath and Kai have surpassed everyone in the 90s except Dorian and Ronnie.
Post by: arce1988 on October 02, 2012, 03:17:05 PM
  Shawn and Flex should have an O.


Title: Re: Heath and Kai have surpassed everyone in the 90s except Dorian and Ronnie.
Post by: yates fan on October 02, 2012, 04:58:34 PM
top 4 of alltime now is yates,coleman,kai,phil.


Title: PHIL HEATH 4 WEEKS OUT from the Olympia
Post by: CREALMADRID on October 03, 2012, 03:07:22 PM
fool like a baloon


Title: 2012 Olympia - PHIL HEATH 4 WEEKS OUT from the Olympia
Post by: CREALMADRID on October 03, 2012, 03:08:19 PM
full like a baloon


Title: Re: PHIL HEATH 4 WEEKS OUT from the Olympia
Post by: James28 on October 03, 2012, 03:08:21 PM
Liking the anabolic lighting.


Title: Re: PHIL HEATH 4 WEEKS OUT from the Olympia
Post by: Parker on October 03, 2012, 03:16:28 PM
He needs to bring that chest for 2013.


Title: Re: PHIL HEATH 4 WEEKS OUT from the Olympia
Post by: arce1988 on October 03, 2012, 03:42:17 PM
  Hope Kai beats Rex in 2013


Title: Re: PHIL HEATH 4 WEEKS OUT from the Olympia
Post by: The Abdominal Snoman on October 03, 2012, 03:58:38 PM
Crazy photo


Title: Re: PHIL HEATH 4 WEEKS OUT from the Olympia
Post by: Bevo on October 03, 2012, 04:20:36 PM
Phil looking dominate as usual nothing more to see 8)


Title: Re: PHIL HEATH 4 WEEKS OUT from the Olympia
Post by: mesmorph78 on October 03, 2012, 05:57:31 PM
 ;D


Title: Re: Heath and Kai have surpassed everyone in the 90s except Dorian and Ronnie.
Post by: NeoSeminole on October 06, 2012, 11:37:20 AM
:) :) :)


Title: Re: Heath and Kai have surpassed everyone in the 90s except Dorian and Ronnie.
Post by: EH on October 06, 2012, 12:40:26 PM
Prove me wrong

1. Ronnie, 98 Mr. O. or the Grand Prix show.
2. Dorian 96 Grand Prix
3. Heath 12 Mr. O(Night show)
4. Kai 12 Mr. O Night show.
5  Mr. O. Wheeler 93 Arnold Classic
6. Levrone 97 Grand Prix

Watch the video of the night show. Kai and Heath have taken shit to new levels. The conditioning is insane. This is special.

http://streaming.bodybuilding.com/2012-olympia-webcast/?q=mr-olympia-finals-routines-replay-2

1. Ronnie '03 MrO
2. Ronnie '98 MrO/NOC
3. Dorian '95
4. Levrone '97 Grand Prix
5. Flex '99 Mr O
6. Flex '98 Arnold
7. Heath '11 MrO
8. Vic Martinez '08 MrO


Title: Re: Heath and Kai have surpassed everyone in the 90s except Dorian and Ronnie.
Post by: hazbin on October 06, 2012, 12:50:32 PM
before giving opinion on this, everyone should google 1999 british grand prix.   ronnie, kevin, flex, nasser, marcus. all amazing.

and if its because of the lighting, then why don't they hire that lighting guy for the olympia and the arnold.

dexter was in this contest, the same size and condition as now, and he looked tiny next to these guys.  yet he compares well size wise to heath and kai


Title: Re: Heath and Kai have surpassed everyone in the 90s except Dorian and Ronnie.
Post by: Jaime on October 06, 2012, 01:01:16 PM
Dorian 93,96, Kevin 97. Vic 07, Ray, 93,94, flex 93,96, Ron 98,99 all surpass Kai and Phil, numerous other occasions too.

Someone like Dillet would make Phil and Kai look like pre schoolers.


Title: Re: Heath and Kai have surpassed everyone in the 90s except Dorian and Ronnie.
Post by: SF1900 on October 06, 2012, 01:02:47 PM
Dorian 93,96, Kevin 97. Vic 07, Ray, 93,94, flex 93,96, Ron 98,99 all surpass Kai and Phil, numerous other occasions too.

Someone like Dillet would make Phil and Kai look like pre schoolers.

sure, from the back he sucked. but this pic would make little phil heath non existent

(http://file047.bebo.com/5/large/2009/05/10/12/5920811462a10790805801l.jpg)


Title: Re: Heath and Kai have surpassed everyone in the 90s except Dorian and Ronnie.
Post by: NeoSeminole on October 06, 2012, 01:43:19 PM
Dorian 93,96, Kevin 97. Vic 07, Ray, 93,94, flex 93,96, Ron 98,99 all surpass Kai and Phil, numerous other occasions too.

Someone like Dillet would make Phil and Kai look like pre schoolers.

as much as I like Kevin's, Shawn's and Flex's physique in their prime, they would lose to the 12 Mr. O versions of Phil and Kai. The latter two men are just too big and conditioned for the older crop of bodybuilders.

(http://www.tribumuscu.com/PhilHearth_Olympia2012/_PB64479wtmk.JPG)

(http://pics.musculardevelopment.com/photos/transferred/_PB77149wtmk.JPG)


Title: Re: Heath and Kai have surpassed everyone in the 90s except Dorian and Ronnie.
Post by: johnny1 on October 06, 2012, 07:25:46 PM
as much as I like Kevin's, Shawn's and Flex's physique in their prime, they would lose to the 12 Mr. O versions of Phil and Kai. The latter two men are just too big and conditioned for the older crop of bodybuilders.

(http://www.tribumuscu.com/PhilHearth_Olympia2012/_PB64479wtmk.JPG)

(http://pics.musculardevelopment.com/photos/transferred/_PB77149wtmk.JPG)
Im not so sure there as in their Superior size would be a advantage, Kai and phil have Poses where they look outstanding and others woeful in Comparison to that Group just mentioned, Kai or Phil cannot Match a Prime Ray or Levrone in the Ab/thigh Both Kai and Phil have Trouble controlling their Mid sections carrying all that extra Muscle and Both those 2 get their Posing routines outs of a weeties box compared to the other 3 who actually could Control their Transitions holding their Stomachs in etc, Flex's back @ his best Comparable to ether of them, Rays BDB @ his Best is as Conditioned as ether of those 2 in 2012, Rays MM is nearly as Complete as it got Balance wise etc etc, Ray Never had Trouble beating Guys 50-60lbs Bigger nether did flex with Yates the exception, id see no reason why with the now Superior advances in Drugs etc they wouldn't have the same Results against ether Phil or Kai in 2012....both of those 2 are Great and in Certain Pose's Exceptional... but those 2 are not exactly a Prime Coleman or Yates Ray, flex, etc had to contend with in the 90s


Title: Re: Heath and Kai have surpassed everyone in the 90s except Dorian and Ronnie.
Post by: johnny1 on October 06, 2012, 09:22:04 PM
I believe if Kai had had shoulders level in this pose, it would be arguably one of the best pics in BB history. Very inspirational. Unbelievable show!
Yip Kai looks Outstanding in that shot, thing is with Him is hes Inconsistent one year he looks Incredible....the next not so....he looked Great @ the 2012 Olympia however if you Compare say his ab/thigh, MM, etc to the year 09 or 10 he looked Bigger with outrageous Condition, if he ever Nails his Conditioning and size as one..... :o :o :o :o :o im not 100% sure if this mm was from 2010 or 11, whatever the case he looked alot fuller here with Crazy Condition too boot compared to 2012


Title: Re: Heath and Kai have surpassed everyone in the 90s except Dorian and Ronnie.
Post by: NeoSeminole on October 07, 2012, 01:00:02 PM
Im not so sure there as in their Superior size would be a advantage, Kai and phil have Poses where they look outstanding and others woeful in Comparison to that Group just mentioned, Kai or Phil cannot Match a Prime Ray or Levrone in the Ab/thigh Both Kai and Phil have Trouble controlling their Mid sections carrying all that extra Muscle and Both those 2 get their Posing routines outs of a weeties box compared to the other 3 who actually could Control their Transitions holding their Stomachs in etc, Flex's back @ his best Comparable to ether of them, Rays BDB @ his Best is as Conditioned as ether of those 2 in 2012, Rays MM is nearly as Complete as it got Balance wise etc etc, Ray Never had Trouble beating Guys 50-60lbs Bigger nether did flex with Yates the exception, id see no reason why with the now Superior advances in Drugs etc they wouldn't have the same Results against ether Phil or Kai in 2012....both of those 2 are Great and in Certain Pose's Exceptional... but those 2 are not exactly a Prime Coleman or Yates Ray, flex, etc had to contend with in the 90s

Kevin Levrone and Shawn Ray would get absolutely destroyed by a prime Kai

(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=442614.0;attach=487136;image)

(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=442614.0;attach=487137;image)


Title: Re: Heath and Kai have surpassed everyone in the 90s except Dorian and Ronnie.
Post by: TK on October 08, 2012, 05:17:29 PM


Incredible picture from the 2012 Olympia



Title: Re: Heath and Kai have surpassed everyone in the 90s except Dorian and Ronnie.
Post by: Jadeveon Clowney on October 08, 2012, 11:21:35 PM

Incredible picture from the 2012 Olympia



lol his traps have no room


Title: Re: Heath and Kai have surpassed everyone in the 90s except Dorian and Ronnie.
Post by: Wiggs on October 08, 2012, 11:26:39 PM

Incredible picture from the 2012 Olympia



CHEATH CODE