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http://www.woodcountydemocrats.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=550:the-truth-bills-republicans-have-blocked-since-president-obama-took-office&catid=53:press-releases&Itemid=96
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STFU moron. Both parties are equally guilty asswipe
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STFU moron. Both parties are equally guilty asswipe
I beg to differ.
Look at the link.
Repub are far worse sorry
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I beg to differ.
Look at the link.
Repub are far worse sorry
ObamaCare anyone?
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ObamaCare anyone?
Gives 30 million people acces to insurance(healthcare)
Is that the best you can do?
And please dont comment on the link just try your old out-dated rhetoric
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Gives 30 million people acces to insurance(healthcare)
Is that the best you can do?
And please dont comment on the link just try your old out-dated rhetoric
Really before Obama care those same 30 million couldn't get insurance?
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Republicans
is ARE nothing more than lobbyists.
Fixed for you Whork.
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Anyone in the wider world that's been paying any attention to this race have realised a long time ago that the GOP are just there for comedic value this time round. Well and last time round.
Better to have a president that cares than a president who only wants to badge of honour and feather in his cap.
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Anyone in the wider world that's been paying any attention to this race have realised a long time ago that the GOP are just there for comedic value this time round. Well and last time round.
Better to have a president that cares than a president who only wants to badge of honour and feather in his cap.
Whatever moron. "Cares"????? Hold old are you 12? Here is how obama cares.
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Anyone in the wider world that's been paying any attention to this race have realised a long time ago that the GOP are just there for comedic value this time round. Well and last time round.
Better to have a president that cares than a president who only wants to badge of honour and feather in his cap.
Neither of them give a damn dude.
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Anyone in the wider world that's been paying any attention to this race have realised a long time ago that the GOP are just there for comedic value this time round. Well and last time round.
Better to have a president that cares than a president who only wants to badge of honour and feather in his cap.
Now thats funny, the only thing Obama cares about is his own personal wealth and staying on power.
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Now thats funny, the only thing Obama cares about is his own personal wealth and staying on power.
Unlike romney who doesnt care about wealth ::)
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Unlike romney who doesnt care about wealth ::)
Who ever said otherwise?
No one tries to make Romney into something or someone he isnt.
Its only the pathetic black sheep and guilt ridden left leftist dolts that try to make Obama into some supposed caring, sharing, man of the little people.
The 94ers and other morons of society should be ashamed of themselves for how bad they allow themselves to be enslaved by this fake charlatan and poverty hustling kingpin.
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Unlike romney who doesnt care about wealth ::)
Atleast he made his in the private sector
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Atleast he made his in the private sector
Obama made his money selling his fake books written by Bill Ayeres and others to fawning mindless idiots and dolts begging for a Messiah.
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Atleast he made his in the private sector
What wealth did obama make as president?
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What wealth did obama make as president?
He squandered our wealth and redistributed it to thugs, wall street robber barons, shieks, jihadists, etc
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He squandered our wealth and redistributed it to thugs, wall street robber barons, shieks, jihadists, etc
Where did obama get rich here
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Whatever moron. "Cares"????? Hold old are you 12? Here is how obama cares.
More sensationalist images ::)
Really, I'm so fooled right now. Totally. My God, it's like you totally programmed me to turn against someone I couldn't give a fuck if he died tomorrow.
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Where did obama get rich here
Obama got rich by putting out two bogus books and having mindless dreamers and morons lookin for a messianic savior to buy them and reap the royalties.
Bro - admit it - you bought those fake books. Come on its ok.
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Obama got rich by putting out two bogus books and having mindless dreamers and morons lookin for a messianic savior to buy them and reap the royalties.
Bro - admit it - you bought those fake books. Come on its ok.
lol.. so thats how.... in the private sector? lol.. too easy
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lol.. so thats how.... in the private sector? lol.. too easy
I admit - obama is great at scamming people out of $$$$$. No doubt.
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http://www.woodcountydemocrats.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=550:the-truth-bills-republicans-have-blocked-since-president-obama-took-office&catid=53:press-releases&Itemid=96
Great work by them on most of those bills!
Is that website supposed to be an endorsement of the GOP?
Oh wait, I should be upset that they blocked the DREAM Act? Fuck out of here, Simple Jack. You IS retard. ::)
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I admit - obama is great at scamming people out of $$$$$. No doubt.
And Romney didnt
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And Romney didnt
Not that i can tell. Examples?
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Really before Obama care those same 30 million couldn't get insurance?
Yes
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lol.. so thats how.... in the private sector? lol.. too easy
Haha 33...no wonder 33.... support Romney he flip-flops just the same
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Really before Obama care those same 30 million couldn't get insurance?
Well, yes. Many of those people couldn't get insurance because of a pre-existing condition.
Are you even paying attention?
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Great work by them on most of those bills!
Is that website supposed to be an endorsement of the GOP?
Oh wait, I should be upset that they blocked the DREAM Act? Fuck out of here, Simple Jack. You IS retard. ::)
Yes fuck the First responders and fuck our soldiers and veterans.
Use the $$ on the rich. USA, USA.. Fuck you
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Yes fuck the First responders and fuck our soldiers and veterans.
Use the $$ on the rich. USA, USA.. Fuck you
Kazan embarrassed you all over the last thread you tried to make that quip about vets/soldiers. I guess some retards never learn.
I like how progs are actually trying to act like they care about the soldiers. Protip: The soldiers overwhelmingly support Romney so you might as well stop talking. :)
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Kazan embarrassed you all over the last thread you tried to make that quip about vets/soldiers. I guess some retards never learn.
I like how progs are actually trying to act like they care about the soldiers. Protip: The soldiers overwhelmingly support Romney so you might as well stop talking. :)
Im not afraid to get embarrassed :)
Im here to debate not feed my ego.
Thats why i get smarter everyday and you stay the same.
I support our troops but the support they have for Romney is based on false assumptions and lies.
The GOP's policies speak for themselves. Fuck the first responders and fuck our troops.
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Well, yes. Many of those people couldn't get insurance because of a pre-existing condition.
Are you even paying attention?
So what? No one has a right to health insurance and or health care. A service is provided by a highly trained professional, that service isn't free.
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So what? No one has a right to health insurance and or health care. A service is provided by a highly trained professional, that service isn't free.
Exactly thats why they need health insurance.
If they just go to the emergency room when their condition is critical its gonna cost the tax payers a whole lot more.
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Exactly thats why they need health insurance.
If they just go to the emergency room when their condition is critical its gonna cost the tax payers a whole lot more.
And why is that? Why do we "need" health insurance? How exactly did the insurance companies get into the position they did?
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And why is that? Why do we "need" health insurance? How exactly did the insurance companies get into the position they did?
Because if they dont have health insurance they will be driven to the emergency room when they get critical and the bill for their care will go to the taxpayers
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Because if they dont have health insurance they will be driven to the emergency room when they get critical and the bill for their care will go to the taxpayers
Your missing the point, at what point did we require health insurance to be able to afford medical care? How did the insurance companies manage to basically setup a government endorsed monopoly?
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Your missing the point, at what point did we require health insurance to be able to afford medical care? How did the insurance companies manage to basically setup a government endorsed monopoly?
Its not a monopoly you can go and pay from your own pocket actually you have to with no insurance.
Medical help is expensive because they have to make a profit.
You could do like in Europe and make it universal paid by taxes but thats Socialism and we cant have that ;)
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Its not a monopoly you can go and pay from your own pocket actually you have to with no insurance.
Medical help is expensive because they have to make a profit.
You could do like in Europe and make it universal paid by taxes but thats Socialism and we cant have that ;)
Sure if you want to pay a fine now thanks to Obama care........
Sure, but how did the insurance companies manage to get in this position of power?
You are correct, we can't, it's unconstitutional........ ...but I guess that hasn't stopped the Federal Government in the past
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Sure if you want to pay a fine now thanks to Obama care........
Sure, but how did the insurance companies manage to get in this position of power?
You are correct, we can't, it's unconstitutional........ ...but I guess that hasn't stopped the Federal Government in the past
Well there is 2 options.
1. Public healthcare.
Cost is deducted via taxes and everybody pays in even welfare recievers(Not as much obviously).
2. Private healthcare.
Cost is paid one a 1-on-1 basis and you recieve the bill by mail.
However since the healthcare is private they obey market rules and try to make money for their shareholders therefore the price is much higher than universal healthcare.
And unless you want let people die you have to help people who doesnt have money as well and that bill goes to the tax payer.
Actually universal healtcare is less "Communistic" than Private healthcare because in the end more people actually pays and nobody gets it for free. LOL:)
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Sure if you want to pay a fine now thanks to Obama care........
Sure, but how did the insurance companies manage to get in this position of power?
You are correct, we can't, it's unconstitutional........ ...but I guess that hasn't stopped the Federal Government in the past
Virtually everyone is going to need healthcare at some point.
If that person doesn't have insurance, and shows up at a hospital, that cost is transferred to the taxpayer. This is also known as a 'freeloader'.
It seems quite ironic that 'conservatives' support the idea of a freeloader, but that's one of the paradoxes in modern Republican politics.
Actually, Newt Gingrich himself supports Obamacare in this respect, although no one is honest enough to mention it.
The only argument you could truly make, and hold true to your conservative philosophy, is either to stop the freeloader by making him get insurance or by denying him care altogether. The latter is a tough sell in 21st century America, and the rest of the world.
Republicans, at this point, are essentially pro-freeloader.
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Republicans hates freeloaders if they are poor but they get paid by the healthcare companies so they fuck the taxpayer and make the healthcare companies richer.
Scumbags.
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And why is that? Why do we "need" health insurance? How exactly did the insurance companies get into the position they did?
Always wondered thaty... Same goes with Car Insurance...
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Sure if you want to pay a fine now thanks to Obama care........
Sure, but how did the insurance companies manage to get in this position of power?
You are correct, we can't, it's unconstitutional........ ...but I guess that hasn't stopped the Federal Government in the past
Because otherwise the tax payer pays for the healthcare and the person has not contributed one bit.
I thought you were pro-capitalism and not communism?
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Always wondered thaty... Same goes with Car Insurance...
You can thank Nixon for "health insurance". as far as car insurance, well that a state by state issue so I see not problem with that
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Gives 30 million people acces to insurance(healthcare)
Is that the best you can do?
And please dont comment on the link just try your old out-dated rhetoric
American people didn't want it (and still don't); Democrats got murdered in 2010, because of it. Is that the best YOU can do?
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You can thank Nixon for "health insurance". as far as car insurance, well that a state by state issue so I see not problem with that
Is there a state where you aren't required to have car insurance?
I honestly don't know the answer.
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Virtually everyone is going to need healthcare at some point.
If that person doesn't have insurance, and shows up at a hospital, that cost is transferred to the taxpayer. This is also known as a 'freeloader'.
It seems quite ironic that 'conservatives' support the idea of a freeloader, but that's one of the paradoxes in modern Republican politics.
Actually, Newt Gingrich himself supports Obamacare in this respect, although no one is honest enough to mention it.
The only argument you could truly make, and hold true to your conservative philosophy, is either to stop the freeloader by making him get insurance or by denying him care altogether. The latter is a tough sell in 21st century America, and the rest of the world.
Republicans, at this point, are essentially pro-freeloader.
You are wrong as usual, and it has nothing to do with republicans. The simple fact that the federal government has managed to get it's hooks into healthcare is a travesty. Healthcare is not a right, no matter how much you want to bloviate about it. It is a service provided by a trained professional who charges for said service. Remove government bureaucracy and the price comes down.
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Is there a state where you aren't required to have car insurance?
I honestly don't know the answer.
Doesn't look like it, but it appears liability is all that is required by the majority.
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Doesn't look like it, but it appears liability is all that is required by the majority.
So what's the difference if it's state or federal? It's the law.
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So what's the difference if it's state or federal? It's the law.
The constitutionality of it
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The constitutionality of it
Do you think that slavery should have been left up to the states?
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Do you think that slavery should have been left up to the states?
No, and reason being is that humans are not property, enslaving someone is taking away the inalienable rights this nation was founded on
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No, and reason being is that humans are not property, enslaving someone is taking away the inalienable rights this nation was founded on
Hey, wait a minute.
Isn't life itself an inalienable right?
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Hey, wait a minute.
Isn't life itself an inalienable right?
I see where you are trying to go with this, the constitution is about protecting you from the federal government. Not the government giving you the right to live
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American people didn't want it (and still don't); Democrats got murdered in 2010, because of it. Is that the best YOU can do?
That wasnt the question but thanks for the input ;)
The question was how a change in healtcare policy would result in cuts to healthcare.
If Obama care is repealed 30 million people will lose their health insurance, thats a big cut
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You are wrong as usual, and it has nothing to do with republicans. The simple fact that the federal government has managed to get it's hooks into healthcare is a travesty. Healthcare is not a right, no matter how much you want to bloviate about it. It is a service provided by a trained professional who charges for said service. Remove government bureaucracy and the price comes down.
No you will stop treating people if they dont have health insurance and leave them to die on the streets?
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You want them to have "free" healthcare paid for by you and me?
Thats the options with the system we have now. If you want government and our tax dollars out of the picture you need to need help them and let them die. Is that your answer to our healthcare issues?
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No you will stop treating people if they dont have health insurance and leave them to die on the streets?
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You want them to have "free" healthcare paid for by you and me?
Thats the options with the system we have now. If you want government and our tax dollars out of the picture you need to need help them and let them die. Is that your answer to our healthcare issues?
You just don't get it, the bloated mess of a healthcare system we have now is a direct result of the federal government. So your answer is to make everybody buy insurance (Obamacare)? Now that makes sense, instead of fixing the problem double down on what fucked it up in the first place. Do a little research and see how all this shit came about, bet it can be traced back to you guessed it lobbyist.
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You just don't get it, the bloated mess of a healthcare system we have now is a direct result of the federal government. So your answer is to make everybody buy insurance (Obamacare)? Now that makes sense, instead of fixing the problem double down on what fucked it up in the first place. Do a little research and see how all this shit came about, bet it can be traced back to you guessed it lobbyist.
Nothing is free.
There is really only 3 options:
Universal healthcare.
Private healthcare where you still treat people (The system we have now)
Private healthcare where nobody gets help without an insurance or cash up front.
What do you prefer and why?
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Nothing is free.
There is really only 3 options:
Universal healthcare.
Private healthcare where you still treat people (The system we have now)
Private healthcare where nobody gets help without an insurance or cash up front.
What do you prefer and why?
Since healthcare is not a right, it is up to you to provide for yourself, if you work provides health insurance good for you. All this only became an issue because the government made it an issue and inserted itself at the behest of the insurance lobby.
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Since healthcare is not a right, it is up to you to provide for yourself, if you work provides health insurance good for you. All this only became an issue because the government made it an issue and inserted itself at the behest of the insurance lobby.
So you want to let a person die who is brought to the hospital and has no health insurance or cash on him?
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So you want to let a person die who is brought to the hospital and has no health insurance or cash on him?
So you only want to deal with the morality of the issue? A service is provided, it's your responsibility to pay for it.
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So you only want to deal with the morality of the issue? A service is provided, it's your responsibility to pay for it.
Forget the morality im trying to make a solution that is applicable in the real world.
Yes but thats just the thing..with the current system you dont pay for it but the taxpayers gets the bill. Get it?
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So you only want to deal with the morality of the issue? A service is provided, it's your responsibility to pay for it.
So, by your logic, someone crashing into another car and being responsible, then paying for the damage through an insurance company, that is a service?
Liability insurance is a "service" provided by insurance companies. Otherwise, every driver would have to have about thirty grand in the bank when he or she even got behind the wheel. Not only that, but said driver would have to have that income to devote solely to auto accidents. Is that correct?
You really are confusing the freeloader issue. What you don't understand is that everyone is already in the system. No industrialized nation on the face of the planet is going to deny emergency care. You simply aren't addressing that issue. (Don't get angry and make some flippant comment, that's the state of the world today.)
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So, by your logic, someone crashing into another car and being responsible, then paying for the damage through an insurance company, that is a service?
Liability insurance is a "service" provided by insurance companies. Otherwise, every driver would have to have about thirty grand in the bank when he or she even got behind the wheel. Not only that, but said driver would have to have that income to devote solely to auto accidents. Is that correct?
You really are confusing the freeloader issue. What you don't understand is that everyone is already in the system. No industrialized nation on the face of the planet is going to deny emergency care. You simply aren't addressing that issue. (Don't get angry and make some flippant comment, that's the state of the world today.)
Driving is priviledge not a right, you accept responsibility for you actions simply by getting behind the wheel. Most states require liability insurance, fine that is the states right to do. If you decide to drive without insurance and get in an accident oh well gonna cost ya.
No I understand perfectly, what you don't understand is the federal governments encroachment on what the state should be able to decide. Instead the federal government regulates it in such a way that it has caused costs to sky rocket. Were the actual free market system able to run it's natural course the cost would drop not continually increase.
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I beg to differ.
Look at the link.
Repub are far worse sorry
oh christ. are you even being serious?
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Driving is priviledge not a right, you accept responsibility for you actions simply by getting behind the wheel. Most states require liability insurance, fine that is the states right to do. If you decide to drive without insurance and get in an accident oh well gonna cost ya.
No I understand perfectly, what you don't understand is the federal governments encroachment on what the state should be able to decide. Instead the federal government regulates it in such a way that it has caused costs to sky rocket. Were the actual free market system able to run it's natural course the cost would drop not continually increase.
Right. The free market will fix everything.
Always has, always will.
Good argument.
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Right. The free market will fix everything.
Always has, always will.
Good argument.
Except when it fucks everything up then even Wall Street and Bush is communists all of a sudden.
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I see where you are trying to go with this, the constitution is about protecting you from the federal government. Not the government giving you the right to live
If health care companies in the name of profit is denying you health care arent they taking away your right to live?