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Title: Romney's 'extreme makeover
Post by: Benny B on October 06, 2012, 11:21:01 AM
Oct 5, 2012
President Obama says Mitt Romney underwent an "extreme makeover" for the debate. MSNBC's Ezra Klein discusses whether "moderate Mitt" is actually moderate with the Washington Post's Jonathan Capehart and Politico's Maggie Haberman.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HrQqoS81d90


Title: Re: Romney's 'extreme makeover
Post by: Benny B on October 06, 2012, 11:24:27 AM
Personally, I prefer the word "LYING."  :)

"Dishonest"
Voiceover:
"This was dishonest."

Mitt Romney:
"I'm not in favor of a $5 trillion tax cut."

Voiceover:
"Romney's being dishonest here too:"

Voiceover from Romney ad:
"According to an Independent, non-partisan study, Barack Obama and the liberals will raise taxes on the middle class..."

Voiceover
"The Chairman of that so-called independent group is from Romney's former company. Dick Cheney's on its board. Newt Gingrich was there too. It's not independent. It's just not true."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=juox7NO14KM

 ;D
(http://malialitman.files.wordpress.com/2012/07/mitt-romney-etch-a-sketch.jpg)


Title: Re: Romney's 'extreme makeover
Post by: Archer77 on October 06, 2012, 11:26:07 AM
Anybody who follows politics knows this is how the game is played.  During the primaries you appeal to your base and during the general election you swing to the middle to appeal to on-the-fence independents and Democrats.


Title: Re: Romney's 'extreme makeover
Post by: HTexan on October 06, 2012, 12:09:37 PM
Anybody who follows politics knows this is how the game is played.  During the primaries you appeal to your base and during the general election you swing to the middle to appeal to on-the-fence independents and Democrats.
Yeah "swing" not flat out lie and dismiss even you been saying and doing for years.


Title: Re: Romney's 'extreme makeover
Post by: Archer77 on October 06, 2012, 12:17:12 PM
Yeah "swing" not flat out lie and dismiss even you been saying and doing for years.

I totally agree, he is a fraud.  I was simply commenting that republican candidates swinging to the middle is not uncommon. 


Title: Re: Romney's 'extreme makeover
Post by: Dr Dutch on October 06, 2012, 02:04:45 PM
All the money spent on this campagne bull. Let Obama have his 2nd..


Title: Re: Romney's 'extreme makeover
Post by: POB on October 06, 2012, 02:29:46 PM
Yeah "swing" not flat out lie and dismiss even you been saying and doing for years.

Guy turns me off every time he talks


Title: Re: Romney's 'extreme makeover
Post by: tbombz on October 06, 2012, 02:32:36 PM
(http://kickthemallout.com/images/Cartoons/Romney-StopMeWhenYouHearSomethingYouLike.jpg)


Title: Re: Romney's 'extreme makeover
Post by: MCWAY on October 06, 2012, 07:00:05 PM
Oct 5, 2012
President Obama says Mitt Romney underwent an "extreme makeover" for the debate. MSNBC's Ezra Klein discusses whether "moderate Mitt" is actually moderate with the Washington Post's Jonathan Capehart and Politico's Maggie Haberman.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HrQqoS81d90

Imagine that. The red-headed stepchild of cable news, whining and crying that their poster boy got his clock cleaned on the big debate stage.

Lefties can spin it all they want. That wasn't an "extreme makeover". It was an extreme @$$-whipping.

Team BSNBC, after their 24-hour mourning fest, got their marching orders from the White House: Let's call Mitt Romney a liar.

Of course, they've yet to explain why, every time Obama kept chirping his falsehoods, Mitt Romney tore him to pieces....to the point where Obama's own deputy campaign manager ACTUALLY ADMITTED ON CNN (the other red-headed stepchild of cable news) that Obama's claim about a $5 trillion tax cut was false.

Throw in Hanky-Gate, Altitude-Gate, Brain-Freeze-Gate, Fear-of-Looking-Like-Angry-Black-Man-Gate and all the other excuses the left keep whimpering to excuse Obama getting clobbered, and you have enough comedy to keep you laughing for days.


Title: Re: Romney's 'extreme makeover
Post by: Coach is Back! on October 06, 2012, 07:04:57 PM
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Title: Re: Romney's 'extreme makeover
Post by: Coach is Back! on October 06, 2012, 07:07:00 PM
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Title: Re: Romney's 'extreme makeover
Post by: 240 is Back on October 06, 2012, 07:09:59 PM
ROmney is the master of telling any group what they want to hear.   Nobody denies that.  Repubs HATE him in a big way.  but he had the ground game and the money to outspend the field 6-to-1, even though he was winning primaries with 75% of GOP primary voters voting AGAINST him.  

Now, he can't outspend Obama, who just raised a record 181 million last month (what did romney earn?)
Now, he can't buidl a better ground game than obama - who communitiy organized a HUGE ground operation with much better reach than romney.

He can't hate on obama for anmesty (he supported it), gun control (which obama never did but Romney actually signed a gun bill as gov), for obamacare (as he wrote it for his own stae first), etc.  

His points of attack are very narrow.  Now that the economic debate is over, romney is going to be much less sure of himself when debating the neocon Obama.


Title: Re: Romney's 'extreme makeover
Post by: 240 is Back on October 06, 2012, 07:11:20 PM
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Dude, no offense, but TOTAL victimhood picstuere here. 

Which MSM outlets declared Obama the victor of the debate?  cnn, msnbc, politico all said romney won.

now either this is anotehr example of "we the GOP are such victims..." or you know of some media outlets I haven't seen..  LInks to any major news organization saying Obama won? 


Title: Re: Romney's 'extreme makeover
Post by: Coach is Back! on October 06, 2012, 07:12:25 PM
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Title: Re: Romney's 'extreme makeover
Post by: 240 is Back on October 06, 2012, 07:15:32 PM
I agree the left-wing media outlets kneepad for him... but if you heard Ann Coulter telling Hannity this week about just how much she and her friends LOVE mitt romney, you'd laugh at that kneepadding too.  They all do it.  She HATES his ass.  No way coulter and her friends use the word "magnificent" and "stellar" when talking about mittens - she hated him until he won the nomination.

That being said - WHICH LEFT WING OUTLETS said obama won the debate, coach?


Title: Re: Romney's 'extreme makeover
Post by: Coach is Back! on October 06, 2012, 07:17:04 PM
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Title: Re: Romney's 'extreme makeover
Post by: Archer77 on October 06, 2012, 07:18:07 PM
I agree the left-wing media outlets kneepad for him... but if you heard Ann Coulter telling Hannity this week about just how much she and her friends LOVE mitt romney, you'd laugh at that kneepadding too.  They all do it.  She HATES his ass.  No way coulter and her friends use the word "magnificent" and "stellar" when talking about mittens - she hated him until he won the nomination.

That being said - WHICH LEFT WING OUTLETS said obama won the debate, coach?

You're trying to argue with a zealot.


Title: Re: Romney's 'extreme makeover
Post by: Coach is Back! on October 06, 2012, 07:27:24 PM
$450mil to Egypt AFTER the hit job on our embassy. And before you go saying "Egypt didn't it" think...





Title: Re: Romney's 'extreme makeover
Post by: tbombz on October 06, 2012, 07:36:58 PM
coach, i dare you to try and talk with substance about a political issue.  ;D


Title: Re: Romney's 'extreme makeover
Post by: MCWAY on October 06, 2012, 07:42:40 PM
ROmney is the master of telling any group what they want to hear.   Nobody denies that.  Repubs HATE him in a big way.  but he had the ground game and the money to outspend the field 6-to-1, even though he was winning primaries with 75% of GOP primary voters voting AGAINST him.  

Now, he can't outspend Obama, who just raised a record 181 million last month (what did romney earn?)
Now, he can't buidl a better ground game than obama - who communitiy organized a HUGE ground operation with much better reach than romney.

He can't hate on obama for anmesty (he supported it), gun control (which obama never did but Romney actually signed a gun bill as gov), for obamacare (as he wrote it for his own stae first), etc.  

His points of attack are very narrow.  Now that the economic debate is over, romney is going to be much less sure of himself when debating the neocon Obama.

Hardly!!

One, the economy is the NUMBER ONE ISSUE in this race. If Romney can slap Obama down on that, the rest is a piece of cake.

Where's Obama going to go now?

Foreign policy?  Uh.....NOOOOOO!!! We got dead ambassadors and Iran about to get nukes; the Middle East is ablaze. And, NO, screaming "I killed Osama Bin Laden" won't cut it. That was a year and a half ago. Al-Qaeda made it perfectly that killing Bin Laden did virtually NOTHING TO STOP their operations.

Social issues? Good luck there. Abortion? Advantage, Romney; Marriage? Advantage, Romney

Immigration? If Romney hits Obama with half the ferocity that the Univision folks did, Obama is THROUGH!!!

As for money, not only can Romney outspend Obama (heck, the Obama administration has conceded that such will likely happen) but, what's the point of spending if you don't get your money's worth?

As Charles Krauthammer put it, in one night, Romney just vaporized hundreds of millions of dollars blown in attack ads from Obama.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2012/10/06/krauthammer_romneys_debate_performance_undoes_100_million_worth_of_negative_advertising.html

Furthermore, for Obama to spend all that dough to this point, yet he STILL CAN'T PUT ROMNEY AWAY, that spells trouble for him and his crew, especially given the bounce Romney's getting from pounding the president in the debate.


Title: Re: Romney's 'extreme makeover
Post by: tbombz on October 06, 2012, 07:50:55 PM
^^^LOL

statistically speaking(according to polling), Obama has a CLEAR advantage on foreign policy, social issues, and immigration.


i dont know where your getting your ideas from mcway.


Title: Re: Romney's 'extreme makeover
Post by: 240 is Back on October 06, 2012, 07:53:58 PM
statistically speaking(according to polling), Obama has a CLEAR advantage on foreign policy, social issues, and immigration.

I'll give romney the win on the economic issue - it is his forte and obama hasn't exaclty been stellar, good, or even average on fixing the economy...

but romney said he woudln't go into pakistan to get OBL... and obama DID.

romney said on tape that we'll never solve the palestine issue - let him lecture obama on his handling of that now.

romney has no foreign policy experience and can't hate on obama for libya because obama di exaclty what the neocons told him to do there.


Obama is going to be better in the foreign policy debate than economic, and romney is far less experienced here.  You'll have the smart ass college kid (romney) telling the grizzled professor (obama in the war dept here) how the world works.  Sorry, no dice, romney loses htis one.


Title: Re: Romney's 'extreme makeover
Post by: Heywood on October 06, 2012, 07:57:10 PM
As someone who listened to the Carter/Reagan debates about 32 years ago, I can say that Romney hit "Reagan territory" when he hammered Obama for Obamacare.

Obama will destroy the health care system in this country, as well as Medicare, if we allow him to.

Vote for Obama if you wish, but don't dare complain if you break your hip when you're 80 and you're given a fucking wheel chair rather than a replacement.


Title: Re: Romney's 'extreme makeover
Post by: MCWAY on October 06, 2012, 08:02:58 PM
I agree the left-wing media outlets kneepad for him... but if you heard Ann Coulter telling Hannity this week about just how much she and her friends LOVE mitt romney, you'd laugh at that kneepadding too.  They all do it.  She HATES his ass.  No way coulter and her friends use the word "magnificent" and "stellar" when talking about mittens - she hated him until he won the nomination.

That being said - WHICH LEFT WING OUTLETS said obama won the debate, coach?

CNN and BSNBC.

But don't take my word for it:

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2012/10/03/chris_matthews_freaks_out_at_obama_after_debate_romney_was_winning.html


Title: Re: Romney's 'extreme makeover
Post by: 240 is Back on October 06, 2012, 08:04:38 PM
which anchors said Obama won the debate?   Link please.  A link to a skit on Leno doesn't prove shit, dude. 

Coach's comic said the "MSM" declared him the winner.  I saw ed, maddow, mathews and maher call it a loss, along with CNN.

Unless this is just more victimhood without basis... WHICH anchors declared obama the WINNER of debate #1?


Title: Re: Romney's 'extreme makeover
Post by: tbombz on October 06, 2012, 08:06:12 PM
I'll give romney the win on the economic issue - it is his forte and obama hasn't exaclty been stellar, good, or even average on fixing the economy...

but romney said he woudln't go into pakistan to get OBL... and obama DID.

romney said on tape that we'll never solve the palestine issue - let him lecture obama on his handling of that now.

romney has no foreign policy experience and can't hate on obama for libya because obama di exaclty what the neocons told him to do there.


Obama is going to be better in the foreign policy debate than economic, and romney is far less experienced here.  You'll have the smart ass college kid (romney) telling the grizzled professor (obama in the war dept here) how the world works.  Sorry, no dice, romney loses htis one.
Romney gave a more enthusiastic performance in the debate. no doubt. but long term economic health is more complicated in our modern economy than simply deregulating and cutting taxes.



As someone who listened to the Carter/Reagan debates about 32 years ago, I can say that Romney hit "Reagan territory" when he hammered Obama for Obamacare.

Obama will destroy the health care system in this country, as well as Medicare, if we allow him to.

Vote for Obama if you wish, but don't dare complain if you break your hip when you're 80 and you're given a fucking wheel chair rather than a replacement.

LOL...   another conservative who thinks its the governments job to replace his hip..  ;D  im sorry, are you arguing for the government to provide healthcare services ?   ..and who are you supporting in the election again ?  ;D


Title: Re: Romney's 'extreme makeover
Post by: MCWAY on October 06, 2012, 08:09:22 PM
I'll give romney the win on the economic issue - it is his forte and obama hasn't exaclty been stellar, good, or even average on fixing the economy...

but romney said he woudln't go into pakistan to get OBL... and obama DID.

AND!!! Bin Laden's old news. Al-Qaeda's alive, well, and perhaps more vicious than ever.  


romney said on tape that we'll never solve the palestine issue - let him lecture obama on his handling of that now.

Romney's right. The Palestinians don't want peace; they want Israel annihilated. Thank goodness Romney has the sense to realize that, instead of cowering to terrorists, who've flat-out stated they won't rest until Israel's a parking lot.


romney has no foreign policy experience and can't hate on obama for libya because obama di exaclty what the neocons told him to do there.

Romney has no foreign policy experience; Obama's experience SUCKS. Gee.....which one would I take?


Obama is going to be better in the foreign policy debate than economic, and romney is far less experienced here.  You'll have the smart ass college kid (romney) telling the grizzled professor (obama in the war dept here) how the world works.  Sorry, no dice, romney loses htis one.

Don't bet on it. In case you forgot, we have a foreign policy crisis on our hands RIGHT NOW. And, Obama has looked like a bumbling fool for the better part of a month, blaming a blasted YouTube video.

He and his administration can't get their facts straight on anything. Your analogy is equally ridiculous. The lefties thought the same thing on Wednesday and we all know how that turned out.


Title: Re: Romney's 'extreme makeover
Post by: 240 is Back on October 06, 2012, 08:12:17 PM
I guess we'll see.   How did romney look in the debates against the other repubs on foreign policy?


Title: Re: Romney's 'extreme makeover
Post by: tbombz on October 06, 2012, 08:14:39 PM
we have a foreign policy crisis going on ?  ;D

yup, today's world makes the cuban missile crisis look like a cake walk.  ;D



Title: Re: Romney's 'extreme makeover
Post by: Heywood on October 06, 2012, 08:20:10 PM
Romney gave a more enthusiastic performance in the debate. no doubt. but long term economic health is more complicated in our modern economy than simply deregulating and cutting taxes.


 LOL...   another conservative who thinks its the governments job to replace his hip..  ;D  im sorry, are you arguing for the government to provide healthcare services ?   ..and who are you supporting in the election again ?  ;D

We pay into Medicare, dummy.......a % of every dollar we earn, without limit goes to pay Medicare premiums.

When we get old, we'll need medical care........that was basically what those Townhall Meetings were about during the summer of 2009, and the beginning of the Tea Party.


Title: Re: Romney's 'extreme makeover
Post by: tbombz on October 06, 2012, 08:23:57 PM
and you thinking forcing everybody to buy private health insurance and reducing the amount of medicare money paid to healthcare providers is going to REDUCE your ability to receive medical treatment ?  ;D


Title: Re: Romney's 'extreme makeover
Post by: Heywood on October 06, 2012, 08:26:17 PM
Adding an additional entitlement -- actually taking money from Medicare to pay for it, will effectively destroy Medicare.

It's not too difficult to understand.  It costs money to insure 40 million or so  poor people.  Where do you think the money's going to come from?



Title: Re: Romney's 'extreme makeover
Post by: tonymctones on October 06, 2012, 08:36:21 PM
Romney gave a more enthusiastic performance in the debate. no doubt. but long term economic health is more complicated in our modern economy than simply deregulating and cutting taxes.
how many economic classes you have under you belt now cumdrizzle?

tell us again how businesses cant stimulate demand...LMFAO

run along and study some more, its obvious youve missed a few classes.


Title: Re: Romney's 'extreme makeover
Post by: tbombz on October 06, 2012, 08:41:32 PM
oh boy. you get your talking points from paul ryan i see.

yes, subsidizing healthcare insurance for those who cant afford to buy their own does cost money.

yes, obama's policy does reduce medicare payments, BUT IT DOES NOT REDUCE SERVICES.  

the affordable care act extends the life of medicare by a decade


Title: Re: Romney's 'extreme makeover
Post by: tbombz on October 06, 2012, 08:44:34 PM
how many economic classes you have under you belt now cumdrizzle?

tell us again how businesses cant stimulate demand...LMFAO

run along and study some more, its obvious youve missed a few classes.

anytime you want to have a substantive discussion about economic issues im ready  :-*


Title: Re: Romney's 'extreme makeover
Post by: 240 is Back on October 06, 2012, 08:44:59 PM
I actually did find one media spokesman who said Obama didn't lose the debate, and that Romney told whoppers.

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2012/10/04/obama-didnt-lose-debate-romney-didnt-win/#ixzz28ZZtbG1B

Juan Williams, of FOX news.

Now, I can't find anyone who says he won, as coach's image claimed with the raised hand of victory from the MSM referee.  But that FOX employee did a little kneepadding, yes, I agree there.


Title: Re: Romney's 'extreme makeover
Post by: tonymctones on October 06, 2012, 08:47:29 PM
oh boy. you get your talking points from paul ryan i see.

yes, subsidizing healthcare insurance for those who cant afford to buy their own does cost money.

yes, obama's policy does reduce medicare payments, BUT IT DOES NOT REDUCE SERVICES. 

the affordable care act extends the life of medicare by a decade
LOL sure sure drizzle, you missed a spot on your chin.


Title: Re: Romney's 'extreme makeover
Post by: tonymctones on October 06, 2012, 08:48:28 PM
anytime you want to have a substantive discussion about economic issues im ready  :-*
sure thing champ, tell us how businesses dont stimulate demand again.

what do you think obama has done right for the economy?

what would you like to see him do moving forward?


Title: Re: Romney's 'extreme makeover
Post by: tonymctones on October 06, 2012, 08:58:18 PM
oh boy. you get your talking points from paul ryan i see.

yes, subsidizing healthcare insurance for those who cant afford to buy their own does cost money.

yes, obama's policy does reduce medicare payments, BUT IT DOES NOT REDUCE SERVICES. 

the affordable care act extends the life of medicare by a decade
Maybe you shouldnt be such a mindless drone, eh?

Obama "attacks Romney’s plan for Medicare as a “voucher” system that would leave seniors “at the mercy of insurance companies,” when the fact is, it’s structured the same as the system Obama’s health care law sets up for subsidizing private insurance for persons under age 65."

http://factcheck.org/2012/09/obamas-stump-speech/



Title: Re: Romney's 'extreme makeover
Post by: tbombz on October 06, 2012, 08:58:40 PM
sure thing champ, tell us how businesses dont stimulate demand again.

what do you think obama has done right for the economy?

what would you like to see him do moving forward?


capped student loan payments at 10% of income. increased pell grants. increased funding for community colleges.

dodd frank.

 those are two big things.


moving forward..  increase the involvement of business in the development of education curriculum.  invest in building a modern infrastructure.  



Title: Re: Romney's 'extreme makeover
Post by: tbombz on October 06, 2012, 09:03:13 PM
Maybe you shouldnt be such a mindless drone, eh?

Obama "attacks Romney’s plan for Medicare as a “voucher” system that would leave seniors “at the mercy of insurance companies,” when the fact is, it’s structured the same as the system Obama’s health care law sets up for subsidizing private insurance for persons under age 65."

http://factcheck.org/2012/09/obamas-stump-speech/


obamacare gives vouchers to people who cant afford insurance, and leaves medicare alone (extends its life, actually)

romney woouldnt give vouchers to people who cant afford insurance, he would just get give them to people who would have otherwise have gotten medicare.

to make it simple for you... joe jerry sally and diane.  joe and diane both are eligible for and recieve medicare. jerry and sally arent and dont have insurance. under obama's plan joe and diane keep their medicare, jerry and sally get vouchers to buy their own insurance. under romneys plan joe and diane dont get medicare but get vouchers to buy their own insurance plan, while jerry and sally get nothing.


Title: Re: Romney's 'extreme makeover
Post by: tonymctones on October 06, 2012, 09:12:42 PM
obamacare gives vouchers to people who cant afford insurance, and leaves medicare alone (extends its life, actually)

romney woouldnt give vouchers to people who cant afford insurance, he would just get give them to people who would have otherwise have gotten medicare.

to make it simple for you... joe jerry sally and diane.  joe and diane both are eligible for and recieve medicare. jerry and sally arent and dont have insurance. under obama's plan joe and diane keep their medicare, jerry and sally get vouchers to buy their own insurance. under romneys plan joe and diane dont get medicare but get vouchers to buy their own insurance plan, while jerry and sally get nothing.
my citation says different, please cite yours


Title: Re: Romney's 'extreme makeover
Post by: tonymctones on October 06, 2012, 09:17:00 PM


capped student loan payments at 10% of income. increased pell grants. increased funding for community colleges.

dodd frank.

 those are two big things.


moving forward..  increase the involvement of business in the development of education curriculum.  invest in building a modern infrastructure. 
if youre taking out 100k to get a 30k a year job your an idiot, dont take out debt for education to get a job that causes you to spend more then 10% of your income to pay back thats called a horrible return on investment.

What exactly about dodd frank do you like?


Title: Re: Romney's 'extreme makeover
Post by: Coach is Back! on October 06, 2012, 09:22:18 PM


capped student loan payments at 10% of income. increased pell grants. increased funding for community colleges.

dodd frank.

 those are two big things.


moving forward..  increase the involvement of business in the development of education curriculum.  invest in building a modern infrastructure.  



You dared me earlier to talk substance in a political issue. I do quite a bit and when I do the only ones who talk shit are the lemmings on the left like you, it's the libs that REFUSE to talk substance in the MSM and here. Obama got his ass handed to him in the debate and here comes the ass kissers from the MSM making excuses on why he lost...the best one came from that ass clown Gore where he said "it was the altitude, fuck!

Getting back to you. ANYONE who has the balls to bring up Frank/Dodd has to be the biggest fuckhead of the left especially since it was Frank/Dodd that started this most of this financial disaster we're in now.


Title: Re: Romney's 'extreme makeover
Post by: avxo on October 06, 2012, 10:22:04 PM
ANYONE who has the balls to bring up Frank/Dodd has to be the biggest fuckhead of the left especially since it was Frank/Dodd that started this most of this financial disaster we're in now.

What?  ???

The subprime mortgage crisis and the chain reaction that lead up to the 2008 collapse of Lehman Brothers and the financial meltdown that followed immediately afterwards were caused by Dodd-Frank which was passed in 2010? There are so many legitimate criticisms that can be made about the disaster that is Dodd/Frank, so why do you feel the need to pull such nonsensical bullshit out of your ass instead?


Title: Re: Romney's 'extreme makeover
Post by: tbombz on October 06, 2012, 10:24:36 PM
my citation says different, please cite yours
cite yours first  :P


Title: Re: Romney's 'extreme makeover
Post by: tbombz on October 06, 2012, 10:28:06 PM
if youre taking out 100k to get a 30k a year job your an idiot, dont take out debt for education to get a job that causes you to spend more then 10% of your income to pay back thats called a horrible return on investment.

What exactly about dodd frank do you like?
the issue of people going into debt to get a education in a qualitative field that does not have much demand for workers is totally seperate from the issue of making college loans available. i agree with you about th problem of students getting educations in fields that do not require workers and do no add much to the production of necessary goods and services.

dodd frank- increasing oversight of the financial industry in order to prevent irresponsible and sort sighted behaviors that can put the entire economy at risk.. thats what i like.


Title: Re: Romney's 'extreme makeover
Post by: tbombz on October 06, 2012, 10:29:30 PM
You dared me earlier to talk substance in a political issue. I do quite a bit and when I do the only ones who talk shit are the lemmings on the left like you, it's the libs that REFUSE to talk substance in the MSM and here. Obama got his ass handed to him in the debate and here comes the ass kissers from the MSM making excuses on why he lost...the best one came from that ass clown Gore where he said "it was the altitude, fuck!

Getting back to you. ANYONE who has the balls to bring up Frank/Dodd has to be the biggest fuckhead of the left especially since it was Frank/Dodd that started this most of this financial disaster we're in now.
dodd frank could have prevented the recession and economic collapse. lol. 


Title: Re: Romney's 'extreme makeover
Post by: Benny B on October 06, 2012, 10:33:13 PM
What?  ???

The subprime mortgage crisis and the chain reaction that lead up to the 2008 collapse of Lehman Brothers and the financial meltdown that followed immediately afterwards were caused by Dodd-Frank which was passed in 2010? There are so many legitimate criticisms that can be made about the disaster that is Dodd/Frank, so why do you feel the need to pull such nonsensical bullshit out of your ass instead?
Because he is a total moron with no business whatsoever engaging in a discussion about the financial services industry and the workings of Wall Street???  

The man has no education beyond high school and counts reps for a living.  ::)


Title: Re: Romney's 'extreme makeover
Post by: MCWAY on October 06, 2012, 11:00:32 PM
which anchors said Obama won the debate?   Link please.  A link to a skit on Leno doesn't prove shit, dude. 

Coach's comic said the "MSM" declared him the winner.  I saw ed, maddow, mathews and maher call it a loss, along with CNN.

Unless this is just more victimhood without basis... WHICH anchors declared obama the WINNER of debate #1?

Apparently, you didn't catch the fact that I quickly replaced that Leno link with the actual one from MSNBC, in which Chris "thrill up my leg" Matthews was going bonkers. He claimed Romney was winning, as if it weren't so obvious to anyone watching.


Title: Re: Romney's 'extreme makeover
Post by: 240 is Back on October 06, 2012, 11:16:23 PM
Apparently, you didn't catch the fact that I quickly replaced that Leno link with the actual one from MSNBC, in which Chris "thrill up my leg" Matthews was going bonkers. He claimed Romney was winning, as if it weren't so obvious to anyone watching.

i'm referring to coach's comic strip - showing a MSM ref giving obama the win.

I didn't know anyone (aside from fox news' juan williams) taht gave romney the win.

FOX is a part of the mainstream media... so i guess he's right


Title: Re: Romney's 'extreme makeover
Post by: MCWAY on October 06, 2012, 11:27:25 PM
i'm referring to coach's comic strip - showing a MSM ref giving obama the win.

I didn't know anyone (aside from fox news' juan williams) taht gave romney the win.

FOX is a part of the mainstream media... so i guess he's right

What are you watching? It was all over the networks. Not only did Hannity play a clip with the network anchors, saying as much, but MSNBC's Lawrence O'Donnell went on rant, blasting the mainstream media for declaring Romney the winner.


Title: Re: Romney's 'extreme makeover
Post by: 240 is Back on October 06, 2012, 11:38:16 PM
What are you watching? It was all over the networks. Not only did Hannity play a clip with the network anchors, saying as much, but MSNBC's Lawrence O'Donnell went on rant, blasting the mainstream media for declaring Romney the winner.

did Lawrence the bedwetter ODonnell ever declare Obama the winner?


Title: Re: Romney's 'extreme makeover
Post by: MCWAY on October 06, 2012, 11:51:59 PM
did Lawrence the bedwetter ODonnell ever declare Obama the winner?

He's parroting the "Romney is lying" talking point, too.


Title: Re: Romney's 'extreme makeover
Post by: 240 is Back on October 07, 2012, 12:02:38 AM
He's parroting the "Romney is lying" talking point, too.

But I didn't think larry the estrogen man was saying obama won.  I dont think anyone said that.


Title: Re: Romney's 'extreme makeover
Post by: tonymctones on October 07, 2012, 05:29:34 AM
cite yours first  :P
I already did brainchild...

the issue of people going into debt to get a education in a qualitative field that does not have much demand for workers is totally seperate from the issue of making college loans available. i agree with you about th problem of students getting educations in fields that do not require workers and do no add much to the production of necessary goods and services.

dodd frank- increasing oversight of the financial industry in order to prevent irresponsible and sort sighted behaviors that can put the entire economy at risk.. thats what i like.
actually it does you take away students borrowing for shit degrees that take 10 years to pay back and you open up alot more money for those students wanting degrees that take 2 or 3 years to pay back.

LOL thats a nice talking point their drizzle but what behavior?

you are all talking points and no substance, you have listened to a few lectures and a watched a couple talking heads.


Title: Re: Romney's 'extreme makeover
Post by: George Whorewell on October 07, 2012, 05:39:47 AM
I already did brainchild...
actually it does you take away students borrowing for shit degrees that take 10 years to pay back and you open up alot more money for those students wanting degrees that take 2 or 3 years to pay back.

LOL thats a nice talking point their drizzle but what behavior?

you are all talking points and no substance, you have listened to a few lectures and a watched a couple talking heads.

QFT--- just like every other liberal turd who posts on this board.


Title: Re: Romney's 'extreme makeover
Post by: Soul Crusher on October 07, 2012, 06:49:25 AM
Benny - the ignorant empty high chair we saw on stage is the same worthless slug we have had as potus the last 4 years.


Title: Re: Romney's 'extreme makeover
Post by: Coach is Back! on October 07, 2012, 07:19:39 AM
Because he is a total moron with no business whatsoever engaging in a discussion about the financial services industry and the workings of Wall Street???  

The man has no education beyond high school and counts reps for a living.  ::)

I keep calling you out. You keep running. All you have is your lib cut and pastes but when questioned or confronted you bail. Easily one of the bigger cowards on here.


Title: Re: Romney's 'extreme makeover
Post by: Archer77 on October 07, 2012, 07:33:23 AM
I keep calling you out. You keep running. All you have is your lib cut and pastes but when questioned or confronted you bail. Easily one of the bigger cowards on here.

To be fair, you do your fair amount of regurgitation.   I don't think you've ever expressed an opinion that wasn't a popular circulating republican talking point.



Title: Re: Romney's 'extreme makeover
Post by: Coach is Back! on October 07, 2012, 07:40:26 AM
What?  ???

The subprime mortgage crisis and the chain reaction that lead up to the 2008 collapse of Lehman Brothers and the financial meltdown that followed immediately afterwards were caused by Dodd-Frank which was passed in 2010? There are so many legitimate criticisms that can be made about the disaster that is Dodd/Frank, so why do you feel the need to pull such nonsensical bullshit out of your ass instead?

You're correct, I was thinking of tha and called it dodd/frank, Regardless, it was still a disaster.


http://www.americanthinker.com/2011/10/dodd-frank_disaster.html


Title: Re: Romney's 'extreme makeover
Post by: Coach is Back! on October 07, 2012, 07:43:03 AM
To be fair, you do your fair amount of regurgitation.   I don't think you've ever expressed an opinion that wasn't a popular circulating republican talking point.



Where do draw your assessments from? I do watch both sides (believe it or not) and have go with the side that makes the most sense and has the the most commonsense. I can't see the left having either.


Title: Re: Romney's 'extreme makeover
Post by: Archer77 on October 07, 2012, 07:58:41 AM
Where do draw your assessments from? I do watch both sides (believe it or not) and have go with the side that makes the most sense and has the the most commonsense. I can't see the left having either.

The cartoons you post, the insults you use, the comments you make on issues are right from right wing sources.  When you talked about the recent debate, you use the exact words I heard on Fox-nearly verbatim.

I call BennyB for the same shit. 


Title: Re: Romney's 'extreme makeover
Post by: whork on October 08, 2012, 02:55:13 AM
The cartoons you post, the insults you use, the comments you make on issues are right from right wing sources.  When you talked about the recent debate, you use the exact words I heard on Fox-nearly verbatim.

I call BennyB for the same shit. 



He is like a parrot


Title: Re: Romney's 'extreme makeover
Post by: tbombz on October 09, 2012, 11:40:56 AM
I already did brainchild...
actually it does you take away students borrowing for shit degrees that take 10 years to pay back and you open up alot more money for those students wanting degrees that take 2 or 3 years to pay back.

LOL thats a nice talking point their drizzle but what behavior?

you are all talking points and no substance, you have listened to a few lectures and a watched a couple talking heads.
1) no, you didnt provide any source to negate my assertion. the fact is that the romney-ryan plan would take away medicare benefits for those eligible and give them vouchers instead. the obama plan keeps medicare benefits for those who are eligible and gives vouchers to those who arent eligible for medicare but cant afford to buy their own insurance. 

2) if your arguing that we ought to make it harder to get loans for qualitative fields of study and easier to get loans for quantitative fields, well i do agree and i never said anything to the contrary.  however, if you got the grades to get into college you can pretty much get a federal loan to cover tuition no matter what field you choose to go into.

3) what irresponsible business behaviors do i think should be regulated ??  the kinds of behaviors that produce the economiic meltdown we had in 4 years ago ! lol  ;D


Title: Re: Romney's 'extreme makeover
Post by: tonymctones on October 09, 2012, 03:48:30 PM
1) no, you didnt provide any source to negate my assertion. the fact is that the romney-ryan plan would take away medicare benefits for those eligible and give them vouchers instead. the obama plan keeps medicare benefits for those who are eligible and gives vouchers to those who arent eligible for medicare but cant afford to buy their own insurance. 

2) if your arguing that we ought to make it harder to get loans for qualitative fields of study and easier to get loans for quantitative fields, well i do agree and i never said anything to the contrary.  however, if you got the grades to get into college you can pretty much get a federal loan to cover tuition no matter what field you choose to go into.

3) what irresponsible business behaviors do i think should be regulated ??  the kinds of behaviors that produce the economiic meltdown we had in 4 years ago ! lol  ;D
1) cite your source b/c mine says the opposite and Ill take their word over a sophomore kinesology majors.

2) just b/c you can do something doesnt make it a smart and prudent move. If your taking 100k out to get a job that pays 30K a year I dont really want to fucking hear it. Youre the dumb ass who took the debt on and you need to pay your shit back.

3) LOL again drizzle be specific, what behaviors?
you know the govt contributed to the melt down as well, why do you not want to put a check on the ideals that helped create that...you know the ideals you like to push?


Title: Re: Romney's 'extreme makeover
Post by: tbombz on October 10, 2012, 07:41:00 PM
1) cite your source b/c mine says the opposite and Ill take their word over a sophomore kinesology majors.
cite my source for what exactly ?  the two plans are plain as day. Romney= repeal obamacare(individual mandate+vouchers for those who cant afford their own insurance)  and change medicare into a voucher system.  Obama= keep medicare as it is(no vouchers), and keep Obamacare (individual mandate+vouchers for those who cant afford insurance)   

2) just b/c you can do something doesnt make it a smart and prudent move. If your taking 100k out to get a job that pays 30K a year I dont really want to fucking hear it. Youre the dumb ass who took the debt on and you need to pay your shit back. this point, again, is something i agree with. why you decided to say it again, after i already said we agreed about it, i have no clue.

3) LOL again drizzle be specific, what behaviors?
you know the govt contributed to the melt down as well, why do you not want to put a check on the ideals that helped create that...you know the ideals you like to push?
i actually havent done much studying into the specifics of dodd frank but from what i do know it increases the power of the government to have oversight and regulate the financial industry.  what specific behaviors i think ought to be better regulated are underwriting standards on loans and  investment rating agencies (like those that called the sub prime loan bundles being sold to public employees retirement funds good investments). as far as me supporting the ideals that helped cause the crisis.. i dont think  i have ever called for the government to encourage banks to make bad loans to people who couldnt afford them.



Title: Re: Romney's 'extreme makeover
Post by: tonymctones on October 10, 2012, 08:43:30 PM

drizzle drizzle drizzle so you say its plain as day but cant cite one source?

my source contradicts you, so I think Ill stick with them.

So you dont know that behaviors dodd frank will help eliminate but you still think its a good thing?

They didnt call them good investments, the top teir of the bundles may have been given higher ratings but there were other levels that were not. you have a tenious grasp of the financial crisis and economics as a whole from our previous conversations.

You do from our previous conversations believe that ppl should have the right to a home. Well its that mentality that caused govt to institute legislation that forced banks hands in those loans that many ppl couldnt pay back drizzle.

banks are in the business of making money, do you really think that all of them would make loans the felt the ppl couldnt pay back unless forced to?


Title: Re: Romney's 'extreme makeover
Post by: tbombz on October 10, 2012, 08:52:57 PM
okay, on the health care issue=

"Mr. Obama would expand Medicaid to cover millions more people; Mr. Romney would effectively shrink it, giving each state a fixed amount of federal money to cover its disadvantaged population with more control over eligibility and benefits. Mr. Romney would eventually give each Medicare beneficiary a fixed amount of federal money to pay premiums for either the traditional Medicare program or private insurance. Mr. Obama would preserve the structure of Medicare but try to rein in costs, in part by trimming payments to health care providers."

- http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/11/health/policy/this-election-two-profoundly-different-visions-for-health-care.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0


Title: Re: Romney's 'extreme makeover
Post by: tonymctones on October 10, 2012, 08:55:59 PM
okay, on the health care issue=

"Mr. Obama would expand Medicaid to cover millions more people; Mr. Romney would effectively shrink it, giving each state a fixed amount of federal money to cover its disadvantaged population with more control over eligibility and benefits. Mr. Romney would eventually give each Medicare beneficiary a fixed amount of federal money to pay premiums for either the traditional Medicare program or private insurance. Mr. Obama would preserve the structure of Medicare but try to rein in costs, in part by trimming payments to health care providers."

- http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/11/health/policy/this-election-two-profoundly-different-visions-for-health-care.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0
so what youre saying is he would give more money to the states and let them handle it instead of the federal govt doing it all?

what I read says he lowers federal benefits but gives more money to the states so state benefits go up.

how do you get he will cut back on coverage?


Title: Re: Romney's 'extreme makeover
Post by: tbombz on October 10, 2012, 09:12:24 PM
the article says he wants to give beneficiaries a fixed amount of money and they can choose to use it to buy private insurance.

i never said he wanted to cut back on medicare.

what he would cut back on is the subsidies that obamacare provides to people who cant afford to buy their own insurance.


Title: Re: Romney's 'extreme makeover
Post by: tonymctones on October 10, 2012, 09:28:43 PM
the article says he wants to give beneficiaries a fixed amount of money and they can choose to use it to buy private insurance.

i never said he wanted to cut back on medicare.

what he would cut back on is the subsidies that obamacare provides to people who cant afford to buy their own insurance.
no it says that he would give them a fixed amount of FEDERAL money but would give more money to the states so they can distribute it.

what part of that do you not understand?


Title: Re: Romney's 'extreme makeover
Post by: tbombz on October 10, 2012, 10:28:33 PM
your reading two different sentences and getting them mixed up  ;D