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Damn.
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"You can train long or you can train hard, but you can't do both" -Mike Mentzer
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I train three times a week, maybe, and go with moderate intensity, and in a shirt look better than 95% of this board. Genetics=everything.
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"You can train long or you can train hard, but you can't do both" -Mike Mentzer
Yep. I trained with him once in Venice. Then sit outside and talked while he smoked a cig a interesting individual. Very strange he died early like 49 I think his brother Ray died the next day.
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Yep. I trained with him once in Venice. Then sit outside and talked while he smoked a cig a interesting individual. Very strange he died early like 49 I think his brother Ray died the next day.
did you happen to discuss the problem of pain/heme-iron?
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Yep. I trained with him once in Venice. Then sit outside and talked while he smoked a cig a interesting individual. Very strange he died early like 49 I think his brother Ray died the next day.
we gotta live till 100 we must know all technologies. i hope to retire when im 60 then develop many new technologies and create good video games to keep me happy
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did you happen to discuss the problem of pain/heme-iron?
Na, he just smoked a cig and was depressed from his last Mr O but a smart dude.
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we gotta live till 100 we must know all technologies. i hope to retire when im 60 then develop many new technologies and create good video games to keep me happy
I'm with you bro. Except I hope to not actually have to work after 45.
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we gotta live till 100 we must know all technologies. i hope to retire when im 60 then develop many new technologies and create good video games to keep me happy
My grandpa lived until 100, never had a tv, worked as a carpenter, eat his own garden grown food. Says alot.
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we gotta live till 100 we must know all technologies. i hope to retire when im 60 then develop many new technologies and create good video games to keep me happy
what about the young hos man? you can't forget about dem ;)
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I'm with you bro. Except I hope to not actually have to work after 45.
i keep a steadily pace per day and am my own boss i average about 5 hours a day sometimes four sometimes 6 i do this 7 days a week, i would be miserable if i had to work more than id already do, id probably have to take an extra 1-2 pyramid shits per day if i had to work more hours 7 days a week, then my life would kinda suck it would be just working eating and pyramid shitting
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what about the young hos man? you can't forget about dem ;)
thats true i want to masterbate to young hoes publicaly sometimes letting them see me and sometimes i want to be hidden
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"Dips are the upper-body squat" -Mike Mentzer
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looks way better than those pros today
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thats true i want to masterbate to young hoes publicaly sometimes letting them see me and sometimes i want to be hidden
;D
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thats true i want to masterbate to young hoes publicaly sometimes letting them see me and sometimes i want to be hidden
this is why burberry invented the trenchcoat, my friend. problem solved.
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we have a chick at my firm who decided to skip work one afternoon and go watch a movie by herself. she went to watch vanilla sky and some dude proceeded to sit next to her and whack off. she must be very polite or she must have been impressed, because she did not attempt to leave during his performance (she said she was traumatized, but she could have run is my thought). this happened in new york - she was working in our manhattan office, but i think she was living in the bronx, so maybe it happened there.
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"You can train long or you can train hard, but you can't do both" -Mike Mentzer
Simple logic, but many folks tend to think different.
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Simple logic, but many folks tend to think different.
it's because we're genetically superior to you/you're lazy. simple.
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Simple logic, but many folks tend to think different.
so what's your take on it then?
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"Dips are the upper-body squat" -Mike Mentzer
his upper body squats werent working good for his pecs. ::)
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so what's your take on it then?
I've never believed on real volume training (defined as +10 sets per body part), but I've tried several variations of HIT and derivatives. On paper it's a thoughtful method, but within a few weeks it's a disaster for your joints & CNS, so -cliche, cliche- I took the middle way (2-4 sets for small body parts & 6-8 for large ones). Since of few months I do a push-pull split (again), IMO excellent for recovery, but within a few weeks I'll start another HST cycle, even better for recovery since it's a based on a periodisation protocol (very low volume, high frequency, light-moderate-heavy weights).
So, how about you, are you a true Jones/Mentzer disciple?
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I've never believed on real volume training (defined as +10 sets per body part), but I've tried several variations of HIT and derivatives. On paper it's a thoughtful method, but within a few weeks it's a disaster for your joints & CNS, so -cliche, cliche- I took the middle way (2-4 sets for small body parts & 6-8 for large ones). Since of few months I do a push-pull split (again), IMO excellent for recovery, but within a few weeks I'll start another HST cycle, even better for recovery since it's a based on a periodisation protocol (very low volume, high frequency, light-moderate-heavy weights).
So, how about you, are you a true Jones/Mentzer disciple?
what you described is basically labada's method/protocol
my whole thing is that PROGRESSIVE OVERLOAD is the end all be all of muscle size increases, without it you won't get bigger muscles IMO
personally low volume high intensity high frequency works best for me
i've never seen anyone get bigger muscles without lifting greater training loads, and i've seen alot of fellas get bigger, on roids and natural
have you honestly ever seen someone get bigger without getting stronger?
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what you described is basically labada's method/protocol
my whole thing is that PROGRESSIVE OVERLOAD is the end all be all of muscle size increases, without it you won't get bigger muscles IMO
personally low volume high intensity high frequency works best for me
i've never seen anyone get bigger muscles without lifting greater training loads, and i've seen alot of fellas get bigger, on roids and natural
have you honestly ever seen someone get bigger without getting stronger?
Which described method do you mean with Labada's one?
100% correct about the progressive part. In order to make a muscle grow, it needs to get stronger. But that being said, there are multiple ways to put this into practise and increasing your load is just one of them. Anyway, PO is a main ingredient of HST. It's a very systematic & rational form of training. On the long run, it feels much better to vary the load from training to training; for the joints, CNS & DOMs.
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what you described is basically labada's method/protocol
my whole thing is that PROGRESSIVE OVERLOAD is the end all be all of muscle size increases, without it you won't get bigger muscles IMO
personally low volume high intensity high frequency works best for me
i've never seen anyone get bigger muscles without lifting greater training loads, and i've seen alot of fellas get bigger, on roids and natural
have you honestly ever seen someone get bigger without getting stronger?
Yep. You got to get stronger to get bigger ok if can bench 100 lbs or 300 will you be bigger at 300?
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Which described method do you mean with Labada's one?
100% correct about the progressive part. In order to make a muscle grow, it needs to get stronger. But that being said, there are multiple ways to put this into practise and increasing your load is just one of them. Anyway, PO is a main ingredient of HST. It's a very systematic & rational form of training. On the long run, it feels much better to vary the load from training to training; for the joints, CNS & DOMs.
this is labrada's method... "I took the middle way (2-4 sets for small body parts & 6-8 for large ones). Since of few months I do a push-pull split (again)"
he does a push-pull-legs 2on/1off split doing 2-4 sets for small body parts and 6-8 sets for large ones
the thing that i don't get about HST is why do the lighter workouts? i can't train easy, as it's just not in my nature, and i really don't see the point to it...
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Which described method do you mean with Labada's one?
100% correct about the progressive part. In order to make a muscle grow, it needs to get stronger. But that being said, there are multiple ways to put this into practise and increasing your load is just one of them. Anyway, PO is a main ingredient of HST. It's a very systematic & rational form of training. On the long run, it feels much better to vary the load from training to training; for the joints, CNS & DOMs.
by the way, what the fuck are you still doing up man? it's damn near 3 am here in europe dude ;D
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Yep. You got to get stronger to get bigger ok if can bench 100 lbs or 300 will you be bigger at 300?
That's the weird contradiction, a muscle needs to get stronger in order to grow, but a stronger muscle isn't necessary a bigger one. Take a look at weight lifters, for example. Weightlifters have optimized their fiber recruitment, while bodybuilders have optimized their fiber thickness.
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That's the weird contradiction, a muscle needs to get stronger in order to grow, but a stronger muscle isn't necessary a bigger one. Take a look at weight lifters, for example. Weightlifters have optimized their fiber recruitment, while bodybuilders have optimized their fiber thickness.
Well it's about strict form, Weightlifters "throw weights" it's about form my friend.
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That's the weird contradiction, a muscle needs to get stronger in order to grow, but a stronger muscle isn't necessary a bigger one. Take a look at weight lifters, for example. Weightlifters have optimized their fiber recruitment, while bodybuilders have optimized their fiber thickness.
are you talking a 1 rep max or a work set of 6-8 reps?
yeah, you can increase 1 rep maxes somewhat through "certain techniques" like decreasing the distance the bar has to travel by using a wider grip and/or increasing the arch in your low back for the bench press as an example
but if you increase your training loads within say the 5-8 rep range then you will get larger muscles, and that's fact
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this is labrada's method... "I took the middle way (2-4 sets for small body parts & 6-8 for large ones). Since of few months I do a push-pull split (again)"
he does a push-pull-legs 2on/1off split doing 2-4 sets for small body parts and 6-8 sets for large ones
the thing that i don't get about HST is why do the lighter workouts? i can't train easy, as it's just not in my nature, and i really don't see the point to it...
Jep, I train pretty much that way, but I include quads on my push & hams on my pull day (I don't squad/deadlift because of my lower back spines).
I get what you mean. I'm used to train each working set to near/total failure, so it felt a little weird in the first week. But on the long run, I become overtrained (CNS), have continuous DOMs (esp in my lower back) and feel tired, so yes, this periodisation thing makes absolutely sense to me. And believe me, HST becomes heavy in no time. The first week of a rep range is an easy one, but the seconds one is a tough one. You will be thankfull that they included a 2 week full rest/light cardio period at the end of the cycle, LOL
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by the way, what the fuck are you still doing up man? it's damn near 3 am here in europe dude ;D
Some programming work in the background, I can't do that during the day. I'm an owl ;D
And WTH are you doing, no hot Polka chick waiting for you? :P
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Well it's about strict form, Weightlifters "throw weights" it's about form my friend.
Truth, but tell that to an average gym rat. They only think about how much they can "lift" :-\
are you talking a 1 rep max or a work set of 6-8 reps?
yeah, you can increase 1 rep maxes somewhat through "certain techniques" like decreasing the distance the bar has to travel by using a wider grip and/or increasing the arch in your low back for the bench press as an example
but if you increase your training loads within say the 5-8 rep range then you will get larger muscles, and that's fact
Damn true, another wise man :D
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Some programming work in the background, I can't do that during the day. I'm an owl ;D
And WTH are you doing, no hot Polka chick waiting for you? :P
tonite i'm all by my lomesome, but tomorrow night i'll be getting me a little something-something ;D
also, i've got me a new female student this week, so maybe she'll be some nice assed little hottie, i sure as hell hope so :P
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If you ever have lower back issues it always comes back, I fucked mine up doing heavy Deads like 600 lbs but I got a suggestion from a Chiropractor on sitting and twisting my back when it hurts and it works.
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If you ever have lower back issues it always comes back, I fucked mine up doing heavy Deads like 600 lbs but I got a suggestion from a Chiropractor on sitting and twisting my back when it hurts and it works.
That's a good suggestion. I perform similar movements on the floor as a warm up. They're like foam rolls without foam (wish we had those).
It might ease the pain, but no back is build for heavy ass deads on the long run. Sooner or later, you need to pay the bill...
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Truth, but tell that to an average gym rat. They only think about how much they can "lift" :-\
Damn true, another wise man :D
but dk told me that i'm the dumbest guy on the internet :D :D :D
but i guess that i always did want to be the best at something lol
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That's a good suggestion. I perform similar movements on the floor as a warm up. They're like foam rolls without foam (wish we had those).
It might ease the pain, but no back is build for heavy ass deads on the long run. Sooner or later, you need to pay the bill...
Yep spot on. Mine doesnt bother me all the time just now and then I fucked it up powerlifting. But I can sit in a chair and twist it and it fixes works every time, I train people and if back issues give them problems I give them same advice works everytime. Yea the floor works to I assume you lay flat and twist from one side to the other?
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but dk told me that i'm the dumbest guy on the internet :D :D :D
but i guess that i always did want to be the best at something lol
DK is prob a typical Jap, calm in real life, but an ass behind his screen once someone has it wrong in his opinion. He's a smart fucker, but can be very childish with his big mouth.
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DK is prob a typical Jap, calm in real life, but an ass behind his screen once someone has it wrong in his opinion. He's a smart fucker, but can be very childish with his big mouth.
actually he's a white German, and probably a blue-eyed blondie to boot SLURP! :P :P :P
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Yep spot on. Mine doesnt bother me all the time just now and then I fucked it up powerlifting. But I can sit in a chair and twist it and it fixes works every time, I train people and if back issues give them problems I give them same advice works everytime. Yea the floor works to I assume you lay flat and twist from one side to the other?
What are you doing, a sacro-iliac self adjustment?
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Damn.
photo is stretched sideways. I'm surprised no one said anything.
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Yep spot on. Mine doesnt bother me all the time just now and then I fucked it up powerlifting. But I can sit in a chair and twist it and it fixes works every time, I train people and if back issues give them problems I give them same advice works everytime. Yea the floor works to I assume you lay flat and twist from one side to the other?
I do several ground movements. I'll start with "rolling sit ups" (I'll try to be creative, LOL), then I make little circles with both knees, then some foam-like rolls with only my left/right lower back or shoulder on the floor (so four variations). They really help to warm up my back and I start every workout this way. All of this is partly intuitive / partly inspired by a Mensendieck therapist.
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What are you doing, a sacro-iliac self adjustment?
Yes. Cross your leg turn head opposite direction and pull on a chair or bench.
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actually he's a white German, and probably a blue-eyed blondie to boot SLURP! :P :P :P
You mean DKII, right? Kidding or sarcasm? AFAIK he once posted a vid of him and his wife/fiance, long time ago. He was a fatso in that vid with an arrogant smile on his face.
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You mean DKII, right? Kidding or sarcasm? AFAIK he once posted a vid of him and his wife/fiance, long time ago. He was a fatso in that vid with an arrogant smile on his face.
yeah, i'm talking about DKII
so he's an asian toad?
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Yes. Cross your leg turn head opposite direction and pull on a chair or bench.
Good one, I just tried it. I own you a beer ;D
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yeah, i'm talking about DKII
so he's an asian toad?
I'm pretty sure he is, but I know he loves blonde pussy.
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Yes. Cross your leg turn head opposite direction and pull on a chair or bench.
I accidentally discovered I could self-adjust that way after my old chiro had me lay in position on the table, and I felt the "pop" before he even touched me. I then discovered the chair method just stretching the one day.
It definitely works, but I feel that an actual chiropractic adjustment is usually a bit more thorough.
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I'm pretty sure he is, but I know he loves blonde pussy.
??? ??? ???
so he's an asian toad who claims to be a german living in japan with an asian wife but he lusts after blonde pussy ??? ??? ???
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??? ??? ???
so he's an asian toad who claims to be a german living in japan with an asian wife but he lusts after blonde pussy ??? ??? ???
Sounds confusing, LOL
Mr Nobody, can you confirm his German background?
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"Dips are the upper-body squat" -Mike Mentzer
Mike's also said pullups were the upper-body squat. I guess he means one for chest and one for back.
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Na, he just smoked a cig and was depressed from his last Mr O but a smart dude.
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SAME thing happened with me, bro- met him in 1994 at Gold's Venice, he wanted to smoke- asked me if I drink!! Completely BLEW my mind, as I was still thinking pros were so clean!!!
Nice guy though, very cool- talked for quite a while...
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Mike's also said pullups were the upper-body squat. I guess he means one for chest and one for back.
i believe Dr. Darden said this
but i do know that AJ said that pullovers were the upper-body squat
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we have a chick at my firm who decided to skip work one afternoon and go watch a movie by herself. she went to watch vanilla sky and some dude proceeded to sit next to her and whack off. she must be very polite or she must have been impressed, because she did not attempt to leave during his performance (she said she was traumatized, but she could have run is my thought). this happened in new york - she was working in our manhattan office, but i think she was living in the bronx, so maybe it happened there.
Steve Namat?
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Steve Namat?
i'm curious brother, are you rocking the Mentzer 'stache?
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i believe Dr. Darden said this
but i do know that AJ said that pullovers were the upper-body squat
I definitely remember Mike Mentzer saying to Boyer Coe (as he was training Boyer on a set of chins) that pullups were like an upperbody squat. There's probably a few of them, since you can't train the majority of the upperbody in one single movement.
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*Salute*
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his upper body squats werent working good for his pecs. ::)
He openly admitted his pecs were a genetically-limited weak point you loon.
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I definitely remember Mike Mentzer saying to Boyer Coe (as he was training Boyer on a set of chins) that pullups were like an upperbody squat. There's probably a few of them, since you can't train the majority of the upperbody in one single movement.
Mike once wrote, that you can train your full body with squats, deads, chins & dips. The only thing I have against this, is that it will become boring after a few sessions.
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Good one, I just tried it. I own you a beer ;D
I'll take it.
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Mike once wrote, that you can train your full body with squats, deads, chins & dips. The only thing I have against this, is that it will become boring after a few sessions.
I can't imagine a huge chest would result from that alone
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I can't imagine a huge chest would result from that alone
Personally I would replace dips by decline DB presses. Other than the back, I feel no need to train a muscle from multiple angles. After all, contraction = contraction, no need to over complicate things.
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I'll take it.
Bring a visit I'll buy two of these Belgium bitches 8)
(http://belgianbeershrimper.files.wordpress.com/2012/01/hougaerdse-das.jpg?w=500)
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Mike once wrote, that you can train your full body with squats, deads, chins & dips. The only thing I have against this, is that it will become boring after a few sessions.
and AJ later agreed with this near the end of his life, as he said all one needs to do is dips, chin, squats, and calf raises :D :D :D
i :D :D :D for calf raises coz seriously... who gives a fuck about calves :D :D :D
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I do a set of pull-overs with a drop set and static-hold negatives on May 1st, followed by a set of squats with set-extending partials on December 1st. I'm the biggest I've ever been.
You can train hard or long, you can't do both. It's the only scientific method.
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and AJ later agreed with this near the end of his life, as he said all one needs to do is dips, chin, squats, and calf raises :D :D :D
i :D :D :D for calf raises coz seriously... who gives a fuck about calves :D :D :D
That's prob his advice for black people & Dennis Wolf.
When I did* squats & deads (* too much pain in the lower back & hips :'( ) I almost never did calves. I need to train them again, since I switched to machine work.
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Looked fantastic.
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Looked fantastic.
agreed
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Arthur Jones looked like he weighed under 150 the majority of his life. They always drag out one picture in the past of him but during his Nautilus hey day I have yet to see any pictures that look like he even remotely trained. Some report he always liked to carry a gun and tried to intimidate those that he could. Bill Pearl was one of the few that stood up to him.
Someone said a big muscle had bigger muscle fibers. Biopsies on bodybuilders have shown no difference in muscle fiber thickness from non lifters according to one study I read 20 plus years ago. Some believe bodybuilders have actually develop more muscle fibers in conjunction with the muscle fluid retension from steroids.
Lifting fast as in Olympic lifting is showing what power is about. Getting powerful is more important in athletics than strength.
You have to qualify what getting stronger is. Is it that one rep max? That 8 rep max? Or is it the ability to increase the weight for say 3 sets of curls done in the same time frame? Anyone from Dorian down to the worse getbigger only has a limited amount of strength they can increase. After 2 to 3 years a guy starting at 19 should be very close to his max. So if a 23 year old is using 405lbs for 8 reps in the deadlift as his max after 3 years of dedicated training should he bang his head against the wall trying for 410lbs with a cycle program? I would argue that he should develop a goal of increasing his strength endurance which he could improve on for a new goal.
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Good food for thought, Oldtimer
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Bring a visit I'll buy two of these Belgium bitches 8)
(http://belgianbeershrimper.files.wordpress.com/2012/01/hougaerdse-das.jpg?w=500)
Ha sounds good.
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@ oldtimer
AJ claimed that he peaked out at a bodyweight of 205 with 17 and 1/8 inch arms at a height of 5'8" and at that time he could curl a 165 pound barbell for 10 strict reps til faliure, while benching 280 pounds for 10 strict reps til failure
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(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=443299.0;attach=487266;image)
Amazing ! But the guy with the glasses standing next to him got decent muscle too....
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I do a set of pull-overs with a drop set and static-hold negatives on May 1st, followed by a set of squats with set-extending partials on December 1st. I'm the biggest I've ever been.
You can train hard or long, you can't do both. It's the only scientific method.
You may be overtraining. I recommend taking a 12 month lay-off, and cut back on negatives to every 2nd year
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Mike once wrote, that you can train your full body with squats, deads, chins & dips. The only thing I have against this, is that it will become boring after a few sessions.
I would replace chins with BB rows. Dips are a great chest builder for some. I do not believe however, they will build a chest like benches.
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Arthur Jones looked like he weighed under 150 the majority of his life. They always drag out one picture in the past of him but during his Nautilus hey day I have yet to see any pictures that look like he even remotely trained. Some report he always liked to carry a gun and tried to intimidate those that he could. Bill Pearl was one of the few that stood up to him.
Someone said a big muscle had bigger muscle fibers. Biopsies on bodybuilders have shown no difference in muscle fiber thickness from non lifters according to one study I read 20 plus years ago. Some believe bodybuilders have actually develop more muscle fibers in conjunction with the muscle fluid retension from steroids.
Lifting fast as in Olympic lifting is showing what power is about. Getting powerful is more important in athletics than strength.
You have to qualify what getting stronger is. Is it that one rep max? That 8 rep max? Or is it the ability to increase the weight for say 3 sets of curls done in the same time frame? Anyone from Dorian down to the worse getbigger only has a limited amount of strength they can increase. After 2 to 3 years a guy starting at 19 should be very close to his max. So if a 23 year old is using 405lbs for 8 reps in the deadlift as his max after 3 years of dedicated training should he bang his head against the wall trying for 410lbs with a cycle program? I would argue that he should develop a goal of increasing his strength endurance which he could improve on for a new goal.
what happend between AJ and Bill pearl?
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But I still think DKII is a European (German I think) who lives in Japan...
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Dips are superior to presses- they hit the triceps better with less (over)emphasis on front delts. I like the Dips/ Chins/ squats /Deads idea.
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Dips are superior to presses- they hit the triceps better with less (over)emphasis on front delts. I like the Dips/ Chins/ squats /Deads idea.
And they provide a good stretch for your tris & chest. I've never had shoulder problems because of dips & decline presses, but flat or incline is a different story.
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@ oldtimer
AJ claimed that he peaked out at a bodyweight of 205 with 17 and 1/8 inch arms at a height of 5'8" and at that time he could curl a 165 pound barbell for 10 strict reps til faliure, while benching 280 pounds for 10 strict reps til failure
Again, he has been in the public eye for many, many years and he always looked sickly to me. He even had a tv show devoted to wildlife prior to making it big with Nautilus. He also took place in the Colorado experiment but dropped out because he claimed he was sick. He weighted about 148 at the start of that "experiment." I can pull out the the paper work for that if you want his exact weight.
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what happend between AJ and Bill pearl?
Read "Beyond the Universe" by Bill Pearl. He has a whole chapter on their relationship. Basically he brought Sergio to Florida who many considered at the time the best bodybuilder ever to train on Nautilus. Pearl confronted Jones saying no one has ever been a physique champion from training on Nautilus. This made Jones mad that Pearl suggested that the Nautilus champions were physique champs prior to their association with Nautilus. Jones kept rubbing it in that Sergio would win the Universe against Pearl. When he showed him photos of Sergio prior to the contest, Pearl said in effect, he looks great but you look like shit. He said something about getting his gun and Pearl said if you do I will stick it up you ass and blow your brains out. For the exact Pearl account read his book. When the Universe contest happened they were both roughly the same height with Pearl weighing more and being more ripped. Pearl won yet HIT followers state Oliva should have won. Oliva wasn't at his best.
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Read "Beyond the Universe" by Bill Pearl. He has a whole chapter on their relationship. Basically he brought Sergio to Florida who many considered at the time the best bodybuilder ever to train on Nautilus. Pearl confronted Jones saying no one has ever been a physique champion from training on Nautilus has won a major physique contest. This made Jones mad that Pearl suggested that the Nautilus champions were physique champs prior to their association with Nautilus. Jones kept rubbing it in that Sergio would win the Universe against Pearl. When he showed him photos of Sergio prior to the contest, Pearl said in effect, he looks great but you look like shit. He said something about getting his gun and Pearl said if you do I will stick it up you ass and blow your brains out. For the exact Pearl account read his book. When the Universe contest happened they were both roughly the same height with Pearl weighing more and being more ripped. Pearl won yet HIT followers state Oliva should have won. Oliva wasn't at his best.
Meh, anecdotal evidence from a so-called vegetarian drug abuser.
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Meh, anecdotal evidence from a so-called vegetarian drug abuser.
????? He was relating his first hand account of a conversation he had with Jones that would be accepted as testimony in a US court of law. I can't argue about the drug abuser remark. It is a sport based on drug use. No drugs and there would be no sport. He was a vegetarian. Why do you use so called? Very odd response.
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When i spoke to Bill pearl on the Phone he was very polite...
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Bill Pearl is one of the few guys in this sport to make any real money. When he talks about training I listen. His biography "Beyond The Universe" is near the top as one of the best bodybuilding related reads I ever got my hands on. He really has lived an incredible life.
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????? He was relating his first hand account of a conversation he had with Jones that would be accepted as testimony in a US court of law. I can't argue about the drug abuser remark. It is a sport based on drug use. No drugs and there would be no sport. He was a vegetarian. Why do you use so called? Very odd response.
Haha, I'm just bored bro :D
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Bill Pearl is one of the few guys in this sport to make any real money. When he talks about training I listen. His biography "Beyond The Universe" is near the top as one of the best bodybuilding related reads I ever got my hands on. He really has lived an incredible life.
On the phone he was a Gentleman and never spoke bad of anyone. AJ was extreme to say the least. I think Bill Pearl was a mans man and not soft so it could be true he told AJ the score.
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Mentzer was, if not a genius a very smart man. His popularity allowed so many people to have a life outside the gym and still be fit, well built and strong.
Bill Pearl is definitely a great man. He lives near Medford, Oregon and the next time I visit my brother up there I will see if I can look him up. My brother sees him in town once in awhile. I have trained at Stern's Gym in San Diego where Pearl and so many other genuine greats worked out. It is a great place full of history.
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Mentzer was, if not a genius a very smart man. His popularity allowed so many people to have a life outside the gym and still be fit, well built and strong.
Bill Pearl is definitely a great man. He lives near Medford, Oregon and the next time I visit my brother up there I will see if I can look him up. My brother sees him in town once in awhile. I have trained at Stern's Gym in San Diego where Pearl and so many other genuine greats worked out. It is a great place full of history.
Bill pearl is a real nice Guy. I really liked the way he was so down to earth and spoke very much like..yes a friend..not arrogant. He is to me a Mans man. Old school ex Navy Guy .
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Bill pearl is a real nice Guy. I really liked the way he was so down to earth and spoke very much like..yes a friend..not arrogant. He is to me a Mans man. Old school ex Navy Guy .
That he is and my brother said his wife was a real sweatheart. Leo Stern trained him up early on and Bill was and remains a gentleman to this day. Another great bodybuilder I have admired is Dave Draper, whom Pearl befriended early in Dave's career.
And Mentzer? I have seen him train in the late 70s. He was great. Never spoke with him but had the chance to speak with several other guys from that era and they were all nice guys, ready to help out if they could. Times change, sometimes for the worse.
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mike was too much of a maginal for maNY. HE GOT his ideas from jones. he was robbed at mr olympia 1980 though not first but fifth was very low.
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That he is and my brother said his wife was a real sweatheart. Leo Stern trained him up early on and Bill was and remains a gentleman to this day. Another great bodybuilder I have admired is Dave Draper, whom Pearl befriended early in Dave's career.
And Mentzer? I have seen him train in the late 70s. He was great. Never spoke with him but had the chance to speak with several other guys from that era and they were all nice guys, ready to help out if they could. Times change, sometimes for the worse.
Good that you are here and can tell us some stories because there are a few guys on here, myself included who like old school training and Bodybuilders.
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Again, he has been in the public eye for many, many years and he always looked sickly to me. He even had a tv show devoted to wildlife prior to making it big with Nautilus. He also took place in the Colorado experiment but dropped out because he claimed he was sick. He weighted about 148 at the start of that "experiment." I can pull out the the paper work for that if you want his exact weight.
yep, i know all about the colorado experiment and AJ put on 15 pounds of lean muscle tissue in under 3 weeks time at the age of 48 or so