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Title: Mr. Natural Olympia - can someone explain
Post by: slate on October 08, 2012, 01:45:55 PM
I have recently became aware of someone who claims to hold the title of "Mr. Natural Olympia" : John Hansen

Other than the fact that he goes to the movies with Erin singerman  then reviewing them for RxHustle (where he advertises) I must confess I had never heard of him.

-Was there once upon a time such a thing as 'the' IFBB Mr. Natural Olympia- if so why isnt there one anymore?

- is this guy as natural as his hair?

- does he have a younger double


(http://i1123.photobucket.com/albums/l542/criscolumbus/hansen-aaron-manlove.jpg)

(http://i1123.photobucket.com/albums/l542/criscolumbus/00John1.jpg)

(http://i1123.photobucket.com/albums/l542/criscolumbus/JohnHansen2.jpg)


Title: Re: Mr. Natural Olympia - can someone explain
Post by: Irongrip400 on October 08, 2012, 02:06:54 PM
Dude is juiced to the gills. I don't even know how he accepts the prize money/trophy.  :-\


Title: Re: Mr. Natural Olympia - can someone explain
Post by: POB on October 08, 2012, 02:08:11 PM
What a joke, he should be ashamed


Title: Re: Mr. Natural Olympia - can someone explain
Post by: NarcissisticDeity on October 08, 2012, 02:08:14 PM
John is a good dude


Title: Re: Mr. Natural Olympia - can someone explain
Post by: Moen on October 08, 2012, 02:08:37 PM
He's the size of some IFBB pro's ffs  ;D


Title: Re: Mr. Natural Olympia - can someone explain
Post by: dj181 on October 08, 2012, 02:09:21 PM
jesus! that torso is just way too short :-X :-X :-X

but i bet that he can probably dead a shit ton of weight :D


Title: Re: Mr. Natural Olympia - can someone explain
Post by: G_Thang on October 08, 2012, 02:10:55 PM
(http://i1123.photobucket.com/albums/l542/criscolumbus/JohnHansen2.jpg)

hahaha, not even the negros, doing playground gymnastics, on a diet of chicken, grape juice and weed look that good, naturally.  and he is over-the-hill.


Title: Re: Mr. Natural Olympia - can someone explain
Post by: Parker on October 08, 2012, 02:21:21 PM
The man has a waist wider than Jay Cutler...
Mr. Naturally Wide Waist Olympia is more like it.


Title: Re: Mr. Natural Olympia - can someone explain
Post by: True on October 08, 2012, 02:21:57 PM
These guys have no shame...


FILTH!


Title: Re: Mr. Natural Olympia - can someone explain
Post by: The Scott on October 08, 2012, 02:31:13 PM
Farcical.


Title: Re: Mr. Natural Olympia - can someone explain
Post by: Nails on October 08, 2012, 02:33:45 PM
(http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b374/willbrink/Cropped1.jpg)


Title: Re: Mr. Natural Olympia - can someone explain
Post by: slate on October 08, 2012, 02:36:52 PM
John is a good dude

why is he a good dude?

maybe he is your friend, maybe he bought you a drink once, whatever

fact is the guy is a bald face liar that makes money from scamming people -  that is not a good dude in my book.







Title: Re: Mr. Natural Olympia - can someone explain
Post by: dj181 on October 08, 2012, 03:13:31 PM
(http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b374/willbrink/Cropped1.jpg)

FTW baby! for the mother-fucking win!!!!


Title: Re: Mr. Natural Olympia - can someone explain
Post by: jaejonna on October 08, 2012, 03:15:07 PM
As natural as tanning underground....dude has been juiced since the 60's.

















ps John is a good dude, I remember him from ironage.us ... big dude all the way big dude.


Title: Re: Mr. Natural Olympia - can someone explain
Post by: slate on October 08, 2012, 05:03:46 PM
As natural as tanning underground....dude has been juiced since the 60's.

ps John is a good dude, I remember him from ironage.us ... big dude all the way big dude.

sure, so he lies for a living and scams people. But hey he is a nice guy. Always polite, well spoken , friend to his friends, family man..and he is big , forgetabouit

 he lies for a living and scams people, but so what


Title: Re: Mr. Natural Olympia - can someone explain
Post by: Mjolnir on October 08, 2012, 05:05:01 PM
So he's really GHansen15????  ;D


Title: Re: Mr. Natural Olympia - can someone explain
Post by: NYSTATEOFMIND on October 08, 2012, 05:07:02 PM
doesnt he post here on occasion?


Title: Re: Mr. Natural Olympia - can someone explain
Post by: Slik on October 08, 2012, 05:09:58 PM
(http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b374/willbrink/Cropped1.jpg)
always good for a random laugh.  Kinda like Bay writing for hustler.
I mean srlsly?  WTF!!  Why in every photo he has to pose like a buffoon?  Look at his left hand how red it is do to the circulation being cut off as he flexes his fat arms pressing them against his lard belly.  A product of pure whey protein there my friends. Wut a fat tub of shit!


Title: Re: Mr. Natural Olympia - can someone explain
Post by: Archer77 on October 08, 2012, 05:11:46 PM
My very cynical first impression is he is the type of guy who heavily juiced in his younger years, stop juicing and got on the HRT and is now "natural"


Title: Re: Mr. Natural Olympia - can someone explain
Post by: Army of One on October 08, 2012, 05:20:20 PM
always good for a random laugh.  Kinda like Bay writing for hustler.
I mean srlsly?  WTF!!  Why in every photo he has to pose like a buffoon?  Look at his left hand how red it is do to the circulation being cut off as he flexes his fat arms pressing them against his lard belly.  A product of pure whey protein there my friends. Wut a fat tub of shit!

This post made me lol   ;D


Title: Re: Mr. Natural Olympia - can someone explain
Post by: Hurricane Beef ! on October 08, 2012, 05:23:44 PM
John is a good dude

John is a good guy . . . built a goodly amount of his size on the gear and is open about his male escorting. THE BEEF likes John's style

THE BEEF


Title: Re: Mr. Natural Olympia - can someone explain
Post by: SomeKindofMonster on October 08, 2012, 05:27:38 PM
I don't know him personally but he always comes off
as a really good guy. I do remember he said he did juice at
one time but I don't think it was for very long. The guy is under
200 pds. I believe and has looked around the same size for about
20 years.
My take on him is that he is on enough HRT to stay within the natural
limits of those contests and that he was never a heavy juicer. He's
got good genetics for chest, back, abs and peaked biceps but the fact
he's never made a big jump in size makes me believe he's never done
heavy cycles.


Title: Re: Mr. Natural Olympia - can someone explain
Post by: Army of One on October 08, 2012, 05:31:33 PM
I don't know him personally but he always comes off
as a really good guy. I do remember he said he did juice at
one time but I don't think it was for very long. The guy is under
200 pds. I believe and has looked around the same size for about
20 years.
My take on him is that he is on enough HRT to stay within the natural
limits of those contests and that he was never a heavy juicer. He's
got good genetics for chest, back, abs and peaked biceps but the fact
he's never made a big jump in size makes me believe he's never done
heavy cycles.

Look at his picture and read what you just wrote,  guy is juiced to the gills


Title: Re: Mr. Natural Olympia - can someone explain
Post by: Archer77 on October 08, 2012, 05:35:13 PM
always good for a random laugh.  Kinda like Bay writing for hustler.
I mean srlsly?  WTF!!  Why in every photo he has to pose like a buffoon?  Look at his left hand how red it is do to the circulation being cut off as he flexes his fat arms pressing them against his lard belly.  A product of pure whey protein there my friends. Wut a fat tub of shit!

Will Brink has the look of someone on medication.  Could be anti-inflammatory medication of some kind. The skinny neck and puffy face are sometimes an indication of this.


Title: Re: Mr. Natural Olympia - can someone explain
Post by: JoeBelushi88 on October 08, 2012, 05:38:47 PM
dude is a natural liar


Title: Re: Mr. Natural Olympia - can someone explain
Post by: slate on October 08, 2012, 05:38:50 PM
HRT  ;D ;D I love that word

for most guys in the industry HRT doses =  2-3g a week.

I guess in this bizarro world that gives you natty status



Title: Re: Mr. Natural Olympia - can someone explain
Post by: Pet shop boys on October 08, 2012, 06:20:17 PM
I always have asked,  how come he's the only "Natural Mr.Olympia" ... never heard of anyone even a runner up or something   just him.




WOOOSSSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH


Title: Re: Mr. Natural Olympia - can someone explain
Post by: Slik on October 08, 2012, 06:55:34 PM
Will Brink has the look of someone on medication.  Could be anti-inflammatory medication of some kind. The skinny neck and puffy face are sometimes an indication of this.
more commonly an indication of shit genetics n lil Debbie's


Title: Re: Mr. Natural Olympia - can someone explain
Post by: Your Average GymRat on October 08, 2012, 07:21:58 PM
Bob Chick on John Hansen, as posted on Bodybuilding.com:
"Pro Bob Chick  
IFBB Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 3,298
Rep Power: 3862
          
 Originally Posted by cnock  
John Hansen says hes a natural competitor and has won the natural mr. olympia and universe. Do you think he is natural? He is a very big guy, probaly the biggest claimed natural. I know Ronnie and Jay and those guys claim natural but this guy actually has competed in national natural events. I know the human body is capable of great things but getting this big naturaly is hard top concieve. Whats your thoughts?


I don't know John personally, but I have no reason to doubt his claim...

Neither Ronnie or Jay claim to be natural...

You can achieve what John has naturally...just takes the components of a champion...dedication, consistancy, and hard work.
Bob Cicherillo - IFBB Pro Bodybuilder
IFBB Athletes rep"


Title: Re: Mr. Natural Olympia - can someone explain
Post by: arce1988 on October 08, 2012, 07:52:09 PM
  ALL PED


Title: Re: Mr. Natural Olympia - can someone explain
Post by: Master Blaster on October 08, 2012, 08:05:20 PM
natural =???


Title: Re: Mr. Natural Olympia - can someone explain
Post by: Big Chiro Flex on October 08, 2012, 08:15:47 PM
John was the promoter of my first natty show I ever competed in. His physique was very unimpressive in real life (in clothes). For what its worth, He didnt show any indicators that you see with typical juicers, even low dose guys, at least based on my limited experience.

He was a genuinely nice guy, conducts himself like a gentleman. I thought highly of him based on my conversation with him.


Title: Re: Mr. Natural Olympia - can someone explain
Post by: The Abdominal Snoman on October 08, 2012, 08:33:41 PM
always good for a random laugh.  Kinda like Bay writing for hustler.
I mean srlsly?  WTF!!  Why in every photo he has to pose like a buffoon?  Look at his left hand how red it is do to the circulation being cut off as he flexes his fat arms pressing them against his lard belly.  A product of pure whey protein there my friends. Wut a fat tub of shit!

lolz


Title: Re: Mr. Natural Olympia - can someone explain
Post by: Natural_O on October 08, 2012, 08:51:11 PM
Hey Get Biggers,
I just won the Natural Mr. Universe in the Pro Masters division on Sept 1st.
Here's a pic comparing my physique from 1992 to 2012, 20 years later.
Yes, I'm still natural, no HRT, no PED's. I was very ripped for the show this
year but much lighter than I was in the past, only 185 onstage.


Title: Re: Mr. Natural Olympia - can someone explain
Post by: Big Chiro Flex on October 08, 2012, 08:53:46 PM
Hey Get Biggers,
I just won the Natural Mr. Universe in the Pro Masters division on Sept 1st.
Here's a pic comparing my physique from 1992 to 2012, 20 years later.
Yes, I'm still natural, no HRT, no PED's. I was very ripped for the show this
year but much lighter than I was in the past, only 185 onstage.
Congrats on the win John


Title: Re: Mr. Natural Olympia - can someone explain
Post by: Ropo on October 08, 2012, 08:59:24 PM
Bob Chick on John Hansen, as posted on Bodybuilding.com:
"Pro Bob Chick  
IFBB Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 3,298
Rep Power: 3862
          
 Originally Posted by cnock  
John Hansen says hes a natural competitor and has won the natural mr. olympia and universe. Do you think he is natural? He is a very big guy, probaly the biggest claimed natural. I know Ronnie and Jay and those guys claim natural but this guy actually has competed in national natural events. I know the human body is capable of great things but getting this big naturaly is hard top concieve. Whats your thoughts?


I don't know John personally, but I have no reason to doubt his claim...

Neither Ronnie or Jay claim to be natural...

You can achieve what John has naturally...just takes the components of a champion...dedication, consistancy, and hard work.
Bob Cicherillo - IFBB Pro Bodybuilder
IFBB Athletes rep"

Check the rules of the game. I have been thinking same earlier. Then I find out that you can be on juice years before, but you have to have at least one clean year between that and the competition, and you can compete as a natural.


Title: Re: Mr. Natural Olympia - can someone explain
Post by: a_ahmed on October 08, 2012, 09:24:32 PM
People like this gave hope to guys like me years ago that we can look like this natural. Bunch of bs :-/ When I realized even skinny skinny skinny dudes are 'on'... i realized... something's up lol. So many people you would never guess being on are on in gyms its hilarious... so...


Title: Re: Mr. Natural Olympia - can someone explain
Post by: Nails on October 08, 2012, 09:51:40 PM

You willing to piss in a cup in front of Vince Goodrum and prove that?


Hey Get Biggers,
I just won the Natural Mr. Universe in the Pro Masters division on Sept 1st.
Here's a pic comparing my physique from 1992 to 2012, 20 years later.
Yes, I'm still natural, no HRT, no PED's. I was very ripped for the show this
year but much lighter than I was in the past, only 185 onstage.


Title: Re: Mr. Natural Olympia - can someone explain
Post by: Moen on October 08, 2012, 11:11:11 PM
Hey Get Biggers,
I just won the Natural Mr. Universe in the Pro Masters division on Sept 1st.
Here's a pic comparing my physique from 1992 to 2012, 20 years later.
Yes, I'm still natural, no HRT, no PED's. I was very ripped for the show this
year but much lighter than I was in the past, only 185 onstage.

Hmmm, head shows no obvious signs of drug usage which is uncommon, the head is always the giveaway you can't hide. Doesn't look grown or inflated.

We need Van_Bilderass to judge this.

Normally based on the body, I'd say no way, but the head always comes along, here it doesn't so I'm very much in doubt  :-\


Title: Re: Mr. Natural Olympia - can someone explain
Post by: dj181 on October 09, 2012, 02:08:29 AM
always good for a random laugh.  Kinda like Bay writing for hustler.
I mean srlsly?  WTF!!  Why in every photo he has to pose like a buffoon?  Look at his left hand how red it is do to the circulation being cut off as he flexes his fat arms pressing them against his lard belly.  A product of pure whey protein there my friends. Wut a fat tub of shit!

don't forget the fierce glare :D :D :D


Title: Re: Mr. Natural Olympia - can someone explain
Post by: Moen on October 09, 2012, 03:56:30 AM
That ring bear... WHY  ???


Title: Re: Mr. Natural Olympia - can someone explain
Post by: Red Hook on October 09, 2012, 04:10:15 AM
only on getbig is anyone who is a "nice person" is believable if they claim natty status  ::)

so if you met him on a bad day then is his natty status is more questionable?

that guy is on more gear than Iris Kyle and Ronnie Coleman's love child.



Title: Re: Mr. Natural Olympia - can someone explain
Post by: dj181 on October 09, 2012, 04:11:33 AM
only on getbig is anyone who is a "nice person" is believable if they claim natty status  ::)

so if you met him on a bad day then is his natty status is more questionable?

that guy is on more gear than Iris Kyle and Ronnie Coleman's love child.



good point brother


Title: Re: Mr. Natural Olympia - can someone explain
Post by: The Grim Lifter on October 09, 2012, 04:14:15 AM
Hey Get Biggers,
I just won the Natural Mr. Universe in the Pro Masters division on Sept 1st.
Here's a pic comparing my physique from 1992 to 2012, 20 years later.
Yes, I'm still natural, no HRT, no PED's. I was very ripped for the show this
year but much lighter than I was in the past, only 185 onstage.

Natural = never used gear

Clean = Used gear, now off

So are you clean or did you lie to Musclemag?


Title: Re: Mr. Natural Olympia - can someone explain
Post by: BigCyp on October 09, 2012, 04:17:15 AM
Hey Get Biggers,
I just won the Natural Mr. Universe in the Pro Masters division on Sept 1st.
Here's a pic comparing my physique from 1992 to 2012, 20 years later.
Yes, I'm still natural, no HRT, no PED's. I was very ripped for the show this
year but much lighter than I was in the past, only 185 onstage.

You still look like a fucking mong


Title: Re: Mr. Natural Olympia - can someone explain
Post by: Pet shop boys on October 09, 2012, 04:22:53 AM
Hmmm, head shows no obvious signs of drug usage which is uncommon, the head is always the giveaway you can't hide. Doesn't look grown or inflated.

We need Van_Bilderass to judge this.

Normally based on the body, I'd say no way, but the head always comes along, here it doesn't so I'm very much in doubt  :-\

Always the giveaway ? So pro champs like Ron Love,Kevin Levrone,Sergio oliva,Paul Dillet Robby Robison, Matarazzo...even Joel Stubbs  their heads remained the same size.... natty status?

And what about those that have a naturally big head since day one ? 





WOOOSSSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH H


Title: Re: Mr. Natural Olympia - can someone explain
Post by: Moen on October 09, 2012, 04:37:27 AM
Always the giveaway ? So pro champs like Ron Love,Kevin Levrone,Sergio oliva,Paul Dillet Robby Robison, Matarazzo...even Joel Stubbs  their heads remained the same size.... natty status?

And what about those that have a naturally big head since day one ?  





WOOOSSSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH H

Not going to look up all of them but Levrone had an obvious roid/hgh head. I'm sure the others had one as well.


Title: Re: Mr. Natural Olympia - can someone explain
Post by: Figo on October 09, 2012, 05:54:54 AM
Must say,

He has posted here a few times, obviously this being GB, he has suffered all kind of abuse and accusations, and he hasn't had a meltdown nor lost it. The man is always respectful and sticks to his version of story, no more no less.


With regards to natural, I've never subscribed to idea that some people get results greater than drug users via good old honest hard work, positive attitude, visualization and superior genes. It just defies logic.
He has a very good physique for any age. At his age with aas, nothing to be ashamed of. But obviously, its not like he's gonna admit it.


Title: Re: Mr. Natural Olympia - can someone explain
Post by: Pet shop boys on October 09, 2012, 06:12:02 AM
He's a class act plus he used to have nice articles on ironMan mag (dont know if still does) about natural bodybuilding how to obtain a great physique without drugs.





WOOOSSSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH H


Title: Re: Mr. Natural Olympia - can someone explain
Post by: SilverSpoon on October 09, 2012, 07:04:22 AM
Must say,

He has posted here a few times, obviously this being GB, he has suffered all kind of abuse and accusations, and he hasn't had a meltdown nor lost it. The man is always respectful and sticks to his version of story, no more no less.


With regards to natural, I've never subscribed to idea that some people get results greater than drug users via good old honest hard work, positive attitude, visualization and superior genes. It just defies logic.
He has a very good physique for any age. At his age with aas, nothing to be ashamed of. But obviously, its not like he's gonna admit it.

Lance Armstrong has stuck to his story, and still does.

Do you believe Lance?


Title: Re: Mr. Natural Olympia - can someone explain
Post by: falco on October 09, 2012, 07:20:51 AM
Some guys are just lucky to be hiper-responsive to creatine ::).


Title: Re: Mr. Natural Olympia - can someone explain
Post by: Wiggs on October 09, 2012, 08:02:52 AM
I cant help but laugh everytime I see a pic of Will Brink.


Title: Re: Mr. Natural Olympia - can someone explain
Post by: Nails on October 09, 2012, 08:50:07 AM
Hey Get Biggers,
I just won the Natural Mr. Universe in the Pro Masters division on Sept 1st.
Here's a pic comparing my physique from 1992 to 2012, 20 years later.
Yes, I'm still natural, no HRT, no PED's. I was very ripped for the show this
year but much lighter than I was in the past, only 185 onstage.

(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=443425.0;attach=487449;image)


You got the touch
You got the power

After all is said and done
You've never walked, you've never run,
You're a winner

You got the moves, you know the streets
Break the rules, take the heat
You're nobody's fool

You're at your best when when the goin' gets rough
You've been put to the test, but it's never enough

You got the touch
You got the power




 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3C9Bng7NPPY


Title: Re: Mr. Natural Olympia - can someone explain
Post by: Psychopath on October 09, 2012, 08:57:44 AM
My advice to all naturals is to give up training all together and buy a gun instead. Otherwise, they'll just end up being Jason Genova with a cabinet full of useless colourful pills and powders fattening up the bank accounts of many schmoes and natural born liars "athletes".


Title: Re: Mr. Natural Olympia - can someone explain
Post by: Pet shop boys on October 09, 2012, 10:17:15 AM

Drugs are a shortcut for losers ....natural is the way !!!!!!!

WOOOSSSHHHHHHHHHH


Title: Re: Mr. Natural Olympia - can someone explain
Post by: Natural_O on October 09, 2012, 12:06:03 PM
Must say,

He has posted here a few times, obviously this being GB, he has suffered all kind of abuse and accusations, and he hasn't had a meltdown nor lost it. The man is always respectful and sticks to his version of story, no more no less.


With regards to natural, I've never subscribed to idea that some people get results greater than drug users via good old honest hard work, positive attitude, visualization and superior genes. It just defies logic.
He has a very good physique for any age. At his age with aas, nothing to be ashamed of. But obviously, its not like he's gonna admit it.

Thanks everyone. There's nothing to admit as far as using drugs. I haven't used anything since 1990 and, like someone said, when the natural shows first started, it was one year drug free. Later on, the natural shows started to have longer periods where you had to be drug free, like 5 years or 7 years. I stopped competing for 7 years, from 2004 to 2011 but I came back last year and this year I was able to win again. I dieted for 24 weeks and came in really lean and ripped but that's what I had to do to win. I brought my weight down to 185, which is really light for me. I'm training for another show next year and I'm going to try and be bigger.


Title: Re: Mr. Natural Olympia - can someone explain
Post by: jaejonna on October 09, 2012, 04:01:07 PM
Sick Sword


Title: Re: Mr. Natural Olympia - can someone explain
Post by: Schmoff on October 09, 2012, 05:31:55 PM
Thanks everyone. There's nothing to admit as far as using drugs. I haven't used anything since 1990 and, like someone said, when the natural shows first started, it was one year drug free. Later on, the natural shows started to have longer periods where you had to be drug free, like 5 years or 7 years. I stopped competing for 7 years, from 2004 to 2011 but I came back last year and this year I was able to win again. I dieted for 24 weeks and came in really lean and ripped but that's what I had to do to win. I brought my weight down to 185, which is really light for me. I'm training for another show next year and I'm going to try and be bigger.

so you used drugs before 1990, then how can you call yourself natural?

piece of liar!!!




Title: Re: Mr. Natural Olympia - can someone explain
Post by: hazbin on October 09, 2012, 05:45:42 PM
Sick Sword

i've got that same sword, but since i did drugs, i had to buy mine :-[


Title: Re: Mr. Natural Olympia - can someone explain
Post by: che on October 09, 2012, 05:47:34 PM
Thanks everyone. There's nothing to admit as far as using drugs. I haven't used anything since 1990 and, like someone said, when the natural shows first started, it was one year drug free. Later on, the natural shows started to have longer periods where you had to be drug free, like 5 years or 7 years. I stopped competing for 7 years, from 2004 to 2011 but I came back last year and this year I was able to win again. I dieted for 24 weeks and came in really lean and ripped but that's what I had to do to win. I brought my weight down to 185, which is really light for me. I'm training for another show next year and I'm going to try and be bigger.

Post a picture from 1990  to compare. ::)


Title: Re: Mr. Natural Olympia - can someone explain
Post by: POB on October 09, 2012, 05:55:18 PM
Post a picture from 1990  to compare. ::)

I like this idea


Title: Re: Mr. Natural Olympia - can someone explain
Post by: The RedMeatKid on October 09, 2012, 06:07:13 PM
Ironman Magazine is full of these guys that have all clearly juiced: Steve Holman and Jonathan Lawson are frauds. Dave Goodin is another "natural" bodybuilder, and then this guy.


Title: Re: Mr. Natural Olympia - can someone explain
Post by: Natural_O on October 09, 2012, 06:21:08 PM
so you used drugs before 1990, then how can you call yourself natural?

piece of liar!!!




Yeah, because that little cycle I did 22 years ago is still in my system and working for me.


Title: Re: Mr. Natural Olympia - can someone explain
Post by: hazbin on October 09, 2012, 07:03:00 PM
Yeah, because that little cycle I did 22 years ago is still in my system and working for me.

i believe you.


i know you would guess i'm being sarcastic since this is getbig.   but i can see how what you have achieved could be drug free.  nice work


Title: Re: Mr. Natural Olympia - can someone explain
Post by: Schmoff on October 09, 2012, 07:15:21 PM
Yeah, because that little cycle I did 22 years ago is still in my system and working for me.

you used drug before, you were not natural and will not be

you are clean for 22 year, but not natural

and you know it



Title: Re: Mr. Natural Olympia - can someone explain
Post by: Natural_O on October 09, 2012, 07:45:33 PM
you used drug before, you were not natural and will not be

you are clean for 22 year, but not natural

and you know it



Here we go again! I went from 135 pounds at 14 years old to 230 pounds at 21 years old, all natural!
When I used the drugs, it was for 12 weeks before a contest. At the time, I was 225-230 off season and
natural. When I did my cycle, my weight went down from 225-230 to about 205 for my contest. I did not
gain muscle from the drugs, I did keep my muscle and strength when dieting. When the natural shows came
around, the requirement was one year drug free. I went into my first natural show in 1991, the last time
I used the drugs was in 1990. Of course, I could have just lied and said I never used the drugs and no one
would have known the difference. They did not make me bigger and they didn't contribute to my physique.
If you want to believe that once you do drugs, you are not "natural", than that's your definition of the word.
I didn't make up the rules for the natural contests. As I said, the requirements were one year drug free when
I competed in my first natural show. When I did the Natural Olympia in 1998, the rules were 7 years drug free.
I don't think the drugs changed my physique forever. They are drugs and like any other drugs, when they are
out of your system, they no longer work. I haven't used any drugs since 1990, that's 22 years. I also have never
used HRT or pro hormones. But believe what you want to believe. This pic is me at 21 years old, weighing about
225, again, all natural. I've always, always been honest about what I did. I don't think they made my physique.
I gained all my size naturally and that's why I was able to make the easy transition from the non tested shows to
the natural shows. The guys who used the drugs to build their physiques lost a lot of size when they went natural.
That didn't happen to me because I didn't use the drugs to gain size, I did that naturally.


Title: Re: Mr. Natural Olympia - can someone explain
Post by: Pet shop boys on October 09, 2012, 07:57:31 PM
Here we go again! I went from 135 pounds at 14 years old to 230 pounds at 21 years old, all natural!

(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=443425.0;attach=487590;image)
 This pic is me at 21 years old, weighing about
225, again, all natural
.
I've always, always been honest about what I did. I don't think they made my physique.
I gained all my size naturally and that's why I was able to make the easy transition from the non tested shows to
the natural shows. The guys who used the drugs to build their physiques lost a lot of size when they went natural.
That didn't happen to me because I didn't use the drugs to gain size, I did that naturally.

so youre like 5'7"  and 225 pounds in that picture??
You look about 185 really.....   unless youre over 6 feet tall.



WOOOSSSHHHHHHHHHHHHHH


Title: Re: Mr. Natural Olympia - can someone explain
Post by: Vince G, CSN MFT on October 09, 2012, 07:59:22 PM
you used drug before, you were not natural and will not be

you are clean for 22 year, but not natural

and you know it




 ::)
John Hanson competed drug free and won his title fair and square.  And the PBNA is an organization that really doesn't give a fuck about kicking people out for drug use....in fact, they actually post the names and pictures of all the people who did fail on their website


Title: Re: Mr. Natural Olympia - can someone explain
Post by: Disgusted on October 09, 2012, 08:06:18 PM
 :D


Title: Re: Mr. Natural Olympia - can someone explain
Post by: Schmoff on October 09, 2012, 08:10:20 PM
Here we go again! I went from 135 pounds at 14 years old to 230 pounds at 21 years old, all natural!
When I used the drugs, it was for 12 weeks before a contest. At the time, I was 225-230 off season and
natural. When I did my cycle, my weight went down from 225-230 to about 205 for my contest. I did not
gain muscle from the drugs, I did keep my muscle and strength when dieting. When the natural shows came
around, the requirement was one year drug free. I went into my first natural show in 1991, the last time
I used the drugs was in 1990. Of course, I could have just lied and said I never used the drugs and no one
would have known the difference. They did not make me bigger and they didn't contribute to my physique.
If you want to believe that once you do drugs, you are not "natural", than that's your definition of the word.
I didn't make up the rules for the natural contests. As I said, the requirements were one year drug free when
I competed in my first natural show. When I did the Natural Olympia in 1998, the rules were 7 years drug free.
I don't think the drugs changed my physique forever. They are drugs and like any other drugs, when they are
out of your system, they no longer work. I haven't used any drugs since 1990, that's 22 years. I also have never
used HRT or pro hormones. But believe what you want to believe. This pic is me at 21 years old, weighing about
225, again, all natural. I've always, always been honest about what I did. I don't think they made my physique.
I gained all my size naturally and that's why I was able to make the easy transition from the non tested shows to
the natural shows. The guys who used the drugs to build their physiques lost a lot of size when they went natural.
That didn't happen to me because I didn't use the drugs to gain size, I did that naturally.

much respect for your genuine reply.

look, I don't know you, and I do not have any problem with you, so if my post offended you, I would say I did not intend to in that way.

as what you said, I think that's the different way of defining and thinking of what is being natural. For me, I would have never claimed natural if I took drugs, it would not matter when I took it, 1 year ago, 10 years ago, or 22 years ago. But once you touch it, you use it, you should not label yourself as a natural athlete.

again, much respect to your honesty, for not being so pretentious to hide and avoid your history of using drugs



Title: Re: Mr. Natural Olympia - can someone explain
Post by: kh300 on October 09, 2012, 08:16:31 PM
Who the fuck cares. Only John knows if he's natural or not.

How many people can say they spent years of perfect diet and training and never did a drug? not many

How many people can say they spent years of perfect diet and training and never did a drug with awesome genetics? maybe a few.

How many people are inconsistent with their diet and training,or resort to drugs, then accuse everyone else of taking drugs? most people.

The human body is capable of some incredible shit. So who knows.

My friend lives off potato chips, has never even smoked weed and drank a beer nor could he afford anabolic's but he's fucking jacked. People accuse him of steroids when the dude doesn't even eat protein.


Title: Re: Mr. Natural Olympia - can someone explain
Post by: Van_Bilderass on October 09, 2012, 08:30:05 PM
He is a pathetic piece of shit. What motivates garbage like this?


Title: Re: Mr. Natural Olympia - can someone explain
Post by: Disgusted on October 09, 2012, 08:31:33 PM
He is a pathetic piece of shit. What motivates garbage like this?


Hahahahahahahaaa Love a guy who speaks his mind.


Title: Re: Mr. Natural Olympia - can someone explain
Post by: Natural_O on October 09, 2012, 08:40:40 PM

Hahahahahahahaaa Love a guy who speaks his mind.

You call that a mind? I'm surprised he got through two sentences without misspelling a word.


Title: Re: Mr. Natural Olympia - can someone explain
Post by: Natural_O on October 09, 2012, 08:43:00 PM
so youre like 5'7"  and 225 pounds in that picture??
You look about 185 really.....   unless youre over 6 feet tall.



WOOOSSSHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

Nope, 5'8" and 225. I was obviously bulked up here and not lean. I'm just making the point that
I got big naturally and didn't use drugs to get to that weight.


Title: Re: Mr. Natural Olympia - can someone explain
Post by: Disgusted on October 09, 2012, 08:45:58 PM
Nope, 5'8" and 225. I was obviously bulked up here and not lean. I'm just making the point that
I got big naturally and didn't use drugs to get to that weight.

So what body fat percentage do you think you were right there?


Title: Re: Mr. Natural Olympia - can someone explain
Post by: Van_Bilderass on October 09, 2012, 08:52:24 PM
You call that a mind? I'm surprised he got through two sentences without misspelling a word.

I got lucky. English is not my native language. ::) :D

Seriously, what do you see in the bathroom mirror (after you're done shooting your drugs)?


Title: Re: Mr. Natural Olympia - can someone explain
Post by: the_swami on October 09, 2012, 09:09:30 PM
ok so JH admits it , he's used steroids before

this does not make him lifetime natural or drug free

everyone knows you cant achieve that look if you are truly LIFETIME natural


Title: Re: Mr. Natural Olympia - can someone explain
Post by: Disgusted on October 09, 2012, 09:14:48 PM
 :D


Title: Re: Mr. Natural Olympia - can someone explain
Post by: booty on October 09, 2012, 09:33:05 PM
Congrats John!


Title: Re: Mr. Natural Olympia - can someone explain
Post by: MCWAY on October 09, 2012, 09:52:52 PM
Here we go again! I went from 135 pounds at 14 years old to 230 pounds at 21 years old, all natural!
When I used the drugs, it was for 12 weeks before a contest. At the time, I was 225-230 off season and
natural. When I did my cycle, my weight went down from 225-230 to about 205 for my contest. I did not
gain muscle from the drugs, I did keep my muscle and strength when dieting. When the natural shows came
around, the requirement was one year drug free. I went into my first natural show in 1991, the last time
I used the drugs was in 1990. Of course, I could have just lied and said I never used the drugs and no one
would have known the difference. They did not make me bigger and they didn't contribute to my physique.
If you want to believe that once you do drugs, you are not "natural", than that's your definition of the word.
I didn't make up the rules for the natural contests. As I said, the requirements were one year drug free when
I competed in my first natural show. When I did the Natural Olympia in 1998, the rules were 7 years drug free.
I don't think the drugs changed my physique forever. They are drugs and like any other drugs, when they are
out of your system, they no longer work. I haven't used any drugs since 1990, that's 22 years. I also have never
used HRT or pro hormones. But believe what you want to believe. This pic is me at 21 years old, weighing about
225, again, all natural. I've always, always been honest about what I did. I don't think they made my physique.
I gained all my size naturally and that's why I was able to make the easy transition from the non tested shows to
the natural shows. The guys who used the drugs to build their physiques lost a lot of size when they went natural.
That didn't happen to me because I didn't use the drugs to gain size, I did that naturally.

Herein lies the problem with all these whiners, who think you can't put on that kind of size naturally. They're so scared of being called "fat", that they won't put in the work it takes to bulk up and build that solid base.

I bulked up to 230 back in the mid-90s and I'm 5'9". It took thousands of calories for me to do it and I certainly wasn't ripped (my condition, bodyfat-wise, was similar to yours).

But, when you've never been that size, you have to put away the groceries, or you won't grow (especially if you're an ectomorph like me), steroids or no steroids.

The average Joe would hardly consider you to be "fat" in that pic. In fact, you'd probably got accused of taking everything but the kitchen sink. People said similar things about me and I remember thinking. "Are you serious? I can barely afford weight gainer and protein powder (I used to take GNC's Challege Milk and Egg protein, which was 'Buy One; Get one 50% 0ff'). Where the heck am I going to get 'roids?"


Title: Re: Mr. Natural Olympia - can someone explain
Post by: randy841 on October 09, 2012, 09:56:26 PM
The only thing natural about those competitors filthy liars is the cotton fiber in their track pants, if any.


Title: Re: Mr. Natural Olympia - can someone explain
Post by: Big Chiro Flex on October 09, 2012, 09:56:38 PM
John showing himself to be a class act in this thread.



Title: Re: Mr. Natural Olympia - can someone explain
Post by: BigCyp on October 10, 2012, 12:54:57 AM
Yeah, because that little cycle I did 22 years ago is still in my system and working for me.

The arguement here is not that your are currently being helped by the gear you took '22 years ago' but rather that the amount of lean tissue you are holding now (obviously along with huge dedication and training - no one doubts your work ethic) correlates somewhat with the gear you took back then.

Deep down, you and only you know, that if you posted a picture of yourself today after lifting exactly the same weight and eating/dieting the same for the last 30 odd years - but without ever taking gear - you would be a bit smaller.


Title: Re: Mr. Natural Olympia - can someone explain
Post by: yesido on October 10, 2012, 01:02:53 AM
I believe no one but Will Brink


Title: Re: Mr. Natural Olympia - can someone explain
Post by: Jaime on October 10, 2012, 01:38:07 AM
How many people compete in the Natural O? I have never even heard of the competition.

I couldn't give a shit whether you are natural, you have a very unpleasing physique regardless.

If you didn't put any weight on while on roids then you have very peculiar genetics.

Kudos for being in good shape at your age though, you got in good condition for your comp.


Title: Re: Mr. Natural Olympia - can someone explain
Post by: The Onion on October 10, 2012, 02:19:29 AM
Yeah, because that little cycle I did 22 years ago is still in my system and working for me.

Even though an anabolic steroid isn't in the system any longer you could still benefit from it as it changes your muscle fiber composition, making it easier to gain/hold on to large amounts of muscle. And just for the record, I think you're full of shit.

"The morphological appearance of the vastus lateralis (VL) muscle from high-level power-lifters on long-term anabolic steroid supplementation (PAS) and power-lifters never taking anabolic steroids (P) was compared. The effects of long- and short-term supplementation were compared. Enzyme-immunohistochemical investigations were performed to assess muscle fiber type composition, fiber area, number of myonuclei per fiber, internal myonuclei, myonuclear domains and proportion of satellite cells. The PAS group had larger type I, IIA, IIAB and IIC fiber areas (p<0.05). The number of myonuclei/fiber and the proportion of central nuclei were significantly higher in the PAS group (p<0.05). Similar results were seen in the trapezius muscle (T) but additionally, in T the proportion of fibers expressing developmental myosin isoforms was higher in the PAS group compared to the P group. Further, in VL, the PAS group had significantly larger nuclear domains in fibers containing > or = 5 myonuclei. The results of AS on VL morphology in this study were similar to previously reported short-term effects of AS on VL. The initial effects from AS appear to be maintained for several years." - http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10589853

You call that a mind? I'm surprised he got through two sentences without misspelling a word.
You have no idea what you're talking about, Van is one of the best and most knowledgeable posters on Getbig. He knows even more about drugs than you do.


Title: Re: Mr. Natural Olympia - can someone explain
Post by: dj181 on October 10, 2012, 02:36:03 AM
How many people compete in the Natural O? I have never even heard of the competition.

I couldn't give a shit whether you are natural, you have a very unpleasing physique regardless.

If you didn't put any weight on while on roids then you have very peculiar genetics.

Kudos for being in good shape at your age though, you got in good condition for your comp.

i was wondering when you were gonna show up here ;D


Title: Re: Mr. Natural Olympia - can someone explain
Post by: Jaime on October 10, 2012, 03:02:41 AM
i was wondering when you were gonna show up here ;D

Just on time. 8)

This guy is like a mixture of latter day palumbo'd Dorian Yates a toad and a muscletech brainwash experiment.



Title: Re: Mr. Natural Olympia - can someone explain
Post by: dj181 on October 10, 2012, 03:29:07 AM
Just on time. 8)

This guy is like a mixture of latter day palumbo'd Dorian Yates a toad and a muscletech brainwash experiment.



he seems to have missed the boat when it comes to structure, a Zane or Baldwin he most certainly is not


Title: Re: Mr. Natural Olympia - can someone explain
Post by: Figo on October 10, 2012, 04:05:34 AM
Lance Armstrong has stuck to his story, and still does.

Do you believe Lance?

Re-read my post

Start at part where I wrote "with regards to natural..."


Title: Re: Mr. Natural Olympia - can someone explain
Post by: BigCyp on October 10, 2012, 04:08:59 AM
he seems to have missed the boat when it comes to structure, a Zane or Baldwin he most certainly is not

Are you saying that 'John' has a structure similar to Quasimodo dj?


Title: Re: Mr. Natural Olympia - can someone explain
Post by: dj181 on October 10, 2012, 04:19:20 AM
Are you saying that 'John' has a structure similar to Quasimodo dj?

yes bigC, what i'm saying is that john's structure runs along very similar lines to that of igor

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yH97lImrr0Q


Title: Re: Mr. Natural Olympia - can someone explain
Post by: BigCyp on October 10, 2012, 04:23:16 AM
yes bigC, what i'm saying is that john's structure runs along very similar lines to that of igor

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yH97lImrr0Q

Hahaha yes dj, maybe lying through his teeth for 22 years has it's toll on the human bone structure


Title: Re: Mr. Natural Olympia - can someone explain
Post by: Figo on October 10, 2012, 04:24:51 AM
You call that a mind? I'm surprised he got through two sentences without misspelling a word.

John,

How do you think you've been able to achieve drug-like results or better, you've carried some decent size and conditioning , especially after 40, that's not easy?

I've always heard the hard-work, strict diet,positive belief way of explaining, but genetic limitations will come into play, when one is getting a physique that surpasses drug users, surely ?

What do you attribute your personal results to?


Title: Re: Mr. Natural Olympia - can someone explain
Post by: XBB007 on October 10, 2012, 04:45:18 AM
How many people compete in the Natural O? I have never even heard of the competition.

This


Title: Re: Mr. Natural Olympia - can someone explain
Post by: delon on October 10, 2012, 05:02:21 AM
.

(http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lzzb1bZjQI1qlpihfo1_500.jpg)

(http://www.naturalolympia.com/html/images/john8.jpg)


Title: Re: Mr. Natural Olympia - can someone explain
Post by: delon on October 10, 2012, 05:07:54 AM
.
(http://www.schwarzenegger.it/mro/columbu/fc208.jpg)

(http://www.rippedacademy.com/images/user_gallery/thumb_59_1.jpg)


Title: Re: Mr. Natural Olympia - can someone explain
Post by: The Grim Lifter on October 10, 2012, 05:12:29 AM
'I only used the drugs to hold the muscle not gain it'

It does the same thing! You ended up with more muscle after dieting. Plus you don't lose the muscle when you come off gear, especially when you had a great base to begin with. You gained muscle that you didn't lose when coming off, you are just pretending you didn't gain anything on gear and are in the same position you would be if you never juiced which is bullshit.


Title: Re: Mr. Natural Olympia - can someone explain
Post by: hipolito mejia on October 10, 2012, 05:13:32 AM
(http://www.rippedacademy.com/images/user_gallery/thumb_59_1.jpg)


So this is also the result of the cycle he did before 1990 ?



Impressive.


Title: Re: Mr. Natural Olympia - can someone explain
Post by: hipolito mejia on October 10, 2012, 05:16:18 AM
'I only used the drugs to hold the muscle not gain it'

It does the same thing! You ended up with more muscle after dieting. Plus you don't lose the muscle when you come off gear, especially when you had a great base to begin with. You gained muscle that you didn't lose when coming off, you are just pretending you didn't gain anything on gear and are in the same position you would be if you never juiced which is bullshit.


That's Arnold's BS (excuse) to get away with it when asked about roids....  I think deep inside "Mr.natural O" thinks he's Arnold.


Title: Re: Mr. Natural Olympia - can someone explain
Post by: chess315 on October 10, 2012, 05:20:17 AM
 i cant believe some of you are actually entertaining the idea he may be natural in recent time that is mega dosing and I seriously even doubt steroids alone more like a ronnie coleman stack applied to mediocre genetics if he was a true natural prison systems would be full of people that size.


Title: Re: Mr. Natural Olympia - can someone explain
Post by: hipolito mejia on October 10, 2012, 06:14:17 AM
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=443425.0;attach=487529;image)

I honestly think Natural Olympian suffers from "Pseudologia Fantastica"...

Not only he lies about his drug use and the way his phisique actually looks, but he believes his fantasies...

Like people who claim to have divine revelationor "mystical meets" we also have a lot of bodybuilders preaching about being natural in websites,blogs,tumbrl,publications, even doing seminars on how to be "NATURAL"  , are often considered victims of Pseudologia Fantastica.


Title: Re: Mr. Natural Olympia - can someone explain
Post by: ob205 on October 10, 2012, 06:27:31 AM
Is this the greatest example of the genetic continuum ever? 

On one hand we have self-admitted user and 20 years his junior on the right, and Mr. Clean at 50!

Does this mean Natural O has the BEST genetics of ALL TIME, Ronnie Coleman be damned and Singerman has the WORST?



(http://i1123.photobucket.com/albums/l542/criscolumbus/hansen-aaron-manlove.jpg)




Title: Re: Mr. Natural Olympia - can someone explain
Post by: Figo on October 10, 2012, 06:43:14 AM
Is this the greatest example of the genetic continuum ever? 

On one hand we have self-admitted user and 20 years his junior on the right, and Mr. Clean at 50!

Does this mean Natural O has the BEST genetics of ALL TIME, Ronnie Coleman be damned and Singerman has the WORST?


very well put, that is basically what is baffling me too

Maybe John can enlighten us on his method.

I don't want to call the man a liar, he has been very corteous here unless attacked, even then hasn't had a meltdown of DA dimension.

Then again this is how naturals like skip la cour, and the other "natural" ironman magazine guys make a living, they can't exactly start telling all their "secrets"

Let's not forget other previously juiced guys that became clean, and defied nature and genetic capabilities, tinnerino, luiz de freitas, mike ashley, jean paul guillaume, even ronnie coleman was natural most of his career!!!

Makes me wonder the definition of natural, less than 2 grams/week, maybe ..?


Title: Re: Mr. Natural Olympia - can someone explain
Post by: BigCyp on October 10, 2012, 06:48:45 AM
As natural as a man with a GM banana shoved up his ass


Title: Re: Mr. Natural Olympia - can someone explain
Post by: Natural_O on October 10, 2012, 06:49:36 AM
Herein lies the problem with all these whiners, who think you can't put on that kind of size naturally. They're so scared of being called "fat", that they won't put in the work it takes to bulk up and build that solid base.

I bulked up to 230 back in the mid-90s and I'm 5'9". It took thousands of calories for me to do it and I certainly wasn't ripped (my condition, bodyfat-wise, was similar to yours).

But, when you've never been that size, you have to put away the groceries, or you won't grow (especially if you're an ectomorph like me), steroids or no steroids.

The average Joe would hardly consider you to be "fat" in that pic. In fact, you'd probably got accused of taking everything but the kitchen sink. People said similar things about me and I remember thinking. "Are you serious? I can barely afford weight gainer and protein powder (I used to take GNC's Challege Milk and Egg protein, which was 'Buy One; Get one 50% 0ff'). Where the heck am I going to get 'roids?"

I totally agree with you. You have to eat a ton of calories to get big naturally, especially if you are young with a fast metabolism and an ectomorph. I did the same thing for two years when I was 20-21 to gain weight and get bigger. A lot of young kids today always want to be ripped and have the abs but you can't do that and get big at the same time. A lot of these guys think the only way to get bigger is to take steroids but they can get big too if they eat more.


Title: Re: Mr. Natural Olympia - can someone explain
Post by: Natural_O on October 10, 2012, 06:50:18 AM
(http://www.rippedacademy.com/images/user_gallery/thumb_59_1.jpg)


So this is also the result of the cycle he did before 1990 ?



Impressive.

No, that was from 1996, the year I won the Natural Universe the second time.


Title: Re: Mr. Natural Olympia - can someone explain
Post by: Dokey111 on October 10, 2012, 06:59:58 AM
getbiggers can take all the drugs they want and they're not going to get an arm like that.


Title: Re: Mr. Natural Olympia - can someone explain
Post by: jprc10 on October 10, 2012, 07:02:23 AM
I totally agree with you. You have to eat a ton of calories to get big naturally, especially if you are young with a fast metabolism and an ectomorph. I did the same thing for two years when I was 20-21 to gain weight and get bigger. A lot of young kids today always want to be ripped and have the abs but you can't do that and get big at the same time. A lot of these guys think the only way to get bigger is to take steroids but they can get big too if they eat more.

So you're saying someone can force more muscle growth by just eating more? Please explain how could someone surpass the amount of muscle his natural hormonal levels permit to hold on his frame by just eating more?


Title: Re: Mr. Natural Olympia - can someone explain
Post by: Natural_O on October 10, 2012, 07:08:58 AM
Is this the greatest example of the genetic continuum ever? 

On one hand we have self-admitted user and 20 years his junior on the right, and Mr. Clean at 50!

Does this mean Natural O has the BEST genetics of ALL TIME, Ronnie Coleman be damned and Singerman has the WORST?



Lol, I wouldn't say I have the best genetics of all time. Some of they guys on here just said I have an ugly physique. I have been training for 35 years and I've always trained hard with the basic exercises and I got up to 230 pounds by the time I was 21 years old. I'm much smaller than I was 15-20 years ago because my natural hormone levels have no doubt gone down with age. My strength is not what it used to be but I still lift as heavy as I can. I have to stay lean all the time now because it's too easy to get fat as you get older. When I was in my 20's and early 30's, I would always bulk up in the off season and then just compete (and diet) once a year. I would get up to around 230-235 in the off season and then diet down to about 200-205 for a contest but that worked for me because I was always big and full onstage. Today, in the natural contests, conditioning is EVERYTHING. Size doesn't count as much as being very ripped. When I competed in the Natural Universe this year, I got down to 185 onstage, which is very light, but I was ripped. I don't think I went about 215 in the off season and I dieted for 24 weeks this year for the contest I competed in. I'm definitely smaller at 49 years old than I was when I was 30 or 35 but that's what happens as you get older and your hormone levels change. I don't have a Frank Zane physique but I did get my waist down to less than 32 inches this year for my contest so that's pretty small for my structure.


Title: Re: Mr. Natural Olympia - can someone explain
Post by: Natural_O on October 10, 2012, 07:16:58 AM
So you're saying someone can force more muscle growth by just eating more? Please explain how could someone surpass the amount of muscle his natural hormonal levels permit to hold on his frame by just eating more?


I'm saying that someone who has a very fast metabolism needs to eat a lot of calories (along with heavy training using the basic exercises) to get bigger. When I was a teenager, I had a very hard time gaining size and weight. I started competing at 16 years  old and I was competing too often and didn't give myself enough time to gain weight. I went in 10 teenage contests between the ages of 16-19. When I turned 20 years old, I took two years off from competing. I got up to 205 when I was 20 and then bulked up even more to 230 when I was 21. I was bulky and had some fat on me but the extra weight helped me to get stronger and train heavier. I don't know what my natural hormone levels were. I was just trying to get bigger and move the scale. I was eating about 4500 calories a day back then to gain weight and I was always trying to lift heavier weights in the gym (for 6-8 reps). The extra calories helped me lift more weight and lifting more weight helped me get bigger. Seems pretty basic but it works, especially when you are young and your metabolism is going super fast. I was happy at that point to gain ANY weight, whether it was muscle or fat. I didn't care about getting fat or losing my abs back then, I just wanted to get big!


Title: Re: Mr. Natural Olympia - can someone explain
Post by: Sexual Mustard on October 10, 2012, 07:17:07 AM
A friend of mine used to date John H, funny enough.  She had nothing but nice things to say about him (Hi, John)....


Title: Re: Mr. Natural Olympia - can someone explain
Post by: Archer77 on October 10, 2012, 07:23:59 AM
A friend of mine used to date John H, funny enough.  She had nothing but nice things to say about him (Hi, John)....

What was the guys name?  Maybe he posts here.


Title: Re: Mr. Natural Olympia - can someone explain
Post by: dj181 on October 10, 2012, 07:31:56 AM
What was the guys name?  Maybe he posts here.

lol


Title: Re: Mr. Natural Olympia - can someone explain
Post by: MCWAY on October 10, 2012, 08:39:13 AM
So you're saying someone can force more muscle growth by just eating more? Please explain how could someone surpass the amount of muscle his natural hormonal levels permit to hold on his frame by just eating more?


To put on size, you eat more than you burn. It ain't rocket science. If you have a fast metabolism, you may have to take your calories to 4000 or more. But, it can be done. I've done it and obviously so has Hansen.

Once again, it sounds as if you're making excuses for lack of progress. And as stated earlier, (especially if you ectomorphic/super skinny) you have to pack away the groceries, WHETHER YOU TAKE STEROIDS OR NOT!!

Even the guys who take roids, if they compete at 240 or 250, you can bet they weigh nearly 300 in the off-season.


Title: Re: Mr. Natural Olympia - can someone explain
Post by: Jaime on October 10, 2012, 08:48:54 AM
Lol, I wouldn't say I have the best genetics of all time. Some of they guys on here just said I have an ugly physique.


That's aesthetics. That's unrelated to ability to build muscle.

You great big prevaricator you.


Title: Re: Mr. Natural Olympia - can someone explain
Post by: bigmikecox on October 10, 2012, 08:56:31 AM
It is possibe to compete and win naturally. I competed from 1989-1995 naturally and won 2 overalls. One as a teen and the other in a NQ as a LW. Even when i won the Mr. Ohio in 1996 all I did was 200mg of cyp and anavar. I actually looked my BEST when i was a 152lbs LW


Title: Re: Mr. Natural Olympia - can someone explain
Post by: Howard on October 10, 2012, 08:57:11 AM
What a joke, he should be ashamed
I actally know John H and his background.
You guys are clueless and spreading gossip.


Title: Re: Mr. Natural Olympia - can someone explain
Post by: Jaime on October 10, 2012, 08:58:23 AM
I actally know John H and his background.
You guys are clueless and spreading gossip.


Do you live with him homo?


Title: Re: Mr. Natural Olympia - can someone explain
Post by: Archer77 on October 10, 2012, 09:08:45 AM
I actally know John H and his background.
You guys are clueless and spreading gossip.


How much of his size do you think he obtained while juicing? 


Title: Re: Mr. Natural Olympia - can someone explain
Post by: MCWAY on October 10, 2012, 09:09:12 AM
Even though an anabolic steroid isn't in the system any longer you could still benefit from it as it changes your muscle fiber composition, making it easier to gain/hold on to large amounts of muscle. And just for the record, I think you're full of shit.

"The morphological appearance of the vastus lateralis (VL) muscle from high-level power-lifters on long-term anabolic steroid supplementation (PAS) and power-lifters never taking anabolic steroids (P) was compared. The effects of long- and short-term supplementation were compared. Enzyme-immunohistochemical investigations were performed to assess muscle fiber type composition, fiber area, number of myonuclei per fiber, internal myonuclei, myonuclear domains and proportion of satellite cells. The PAS group had larger type I, IIA, IIAB and IIC fiber areas (p<0.05). The number of myonuclei/fiber and the proportion of central nuclei were significantly higher in the PAS group (p<0.05). Similar results were seen in the trapezius muscle (T) but additionally, in T the proportion of fibers expressing developmental myosin isoforms was higher in the PAS group compared to the P group. Further, in VL, the PAS group had significantly larger nuclear domains in fibers containing > or = 5 myonuclei. The results of AS on VL morphology in this study were similar to previously reported short-term effects of AS on VL. The initial effects from AS appear to be maintained for several years." - http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10589853
You have no idea what you're talking about, Van is one of the best and most knowledgeable posters on Getbig. He knows even more about drugs than you do.

You really think that steroids he took over TWO DECADES AGO is going to keep him big today?


Title: Re: Mr. Natural Olympia - can someone explain
Post by: Dokey111 on October 10, 2012, 09:13:05 AM
You really think that steroids he took over TWO DECADES AGO is going to keep him big today?

don't challenge getbiggers, they know everything


Title: Re: Mr. Natural Olympia - can someone explain
Post by: Big Chiro Flex on October 10, 2012, 09:39:28 AM
John doesn't have the best structure, but he has always had a great chest and lats that insert into his knee caps (dennis wolf is pounding the keyboard in anger as I type this). This along with 35 years of serious training, his current physique is believable.

There's a 52 year old black guy named Mike who lifts at my gym. He did 4 shows in the 70's and 80's, won every single show but couldn't ever afford to go to nationals and go pro. The guy has been a lifetime natty. Dirt poor, blue collar worker, still eats egg whites 3x a day because it's all he can afford,  doesn't know jack shit about supplements or drugs,(not that he could afford them anyway) but still trains every day, holding a crazy amount of chiseled, lean muscle at age 52. He's been doing this since he was 15. And he looks about stage ready all the time.

People say its "all drugs", but if you have some GOOD genetics and a decent work ethic you can achieve this. If you have shit genetics, I know some elf's that seem to have some lucky charms and magic potions they can sell you at their website.


Title: Re: Mr. Natural Olympia - can someone explain
Post by: XBB007 on October 10, 2012, 11:32:04 AM
John doesn't have the best structure, but he has always had a great chest and lats that insert into his knee caps (dennis wolf is pounding the keyboard in anger as I type this). This along with 35 years of serious training, his current physique is believable.

There's a 52 year old black guy named Mike who lifts at my gym. He did 4 shows in the 70's and 80's, won every single show but couldn't ever afford to go to nationals and go pro. The guy has been a lifetime natty. Dirt poor, blue collar worker, still eats egg whites 3x a day because it's all he can afford,  doesn't know jack shit about supplements or drugs,(not that he could afford them anyway) but still trains every day, holding a crazy amount of chiseled, lean muscle at age 52. He's been doing this since he was 15. And he looks about stage ready all the time.

People say its "all drugs", but if you have some GOOD genetics and a decent work ethic you can achieve this. If you have shit genetics, I know some elf's that seem to have some lucky charms and magic potions they can sell you at their website.
Not to down play this guy's "achievements ", but it seems all he has to show from his life is his "chiseled, lean muscle".  Maybe if he spent more time on his education /career/better employment opportunities/family, he wouldn't be a 52 yr old "dirt poor" guy.


Title: Re: Mr. Natural Olympia - can someone explain
Post by: Pet shop boys on October 10, 2012, 11:49:33 AM
Not to down play this guy's "achievements ", but it seems all he has to show from his life is his "chiseled, lean muscle".  Maybe if he spent more time on his education /career/better employment opportunities/family, he wouldn't be a 52 yr old "dirt poor" guy.

That's too much hate on the guy, who cares what he does (did) with his life outside bodybuilding ?
While I think he's a bit "weird".... I give him credit for staying in shape, always abs visible we know how hard is that specially as you get older, plus not having the structure  for bb (short torso) he had the desire and went 100% after....  Something to admire and be proud of.

Here's my advice.

1-Maybe if you (John) place your pants a bit lower (your toso won't look so funky)
2- Stop calling yourself Natural Mr.Olympia, not even Jay or Ronnie,Dexter, or Philsulin called themselves MR.O and everyone calls themselves NATURAL in this business...maybe thats why people can't take you seriously....
I don't mean to be disrespectful, youre a nice guy I'm just being honest.



WOOOSSSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH HHHHH


Title: Re: Mr. Natural Olympia - can someone explain
Post by: Big Chiro Flex on October 10, 2012, 12:01:06 PM
Not to down play this guy's "achievements ", but it seems all he has to show from his life is his "chiseled, lean muscle".  Maybe if he spent more time on his education /career/better employment opportunities/family, he wouldn't be a 52 yr old "dirt poor" guy.
No shit.

Completely not the point of my post, or the thread. We're speaking about genetic limitations here, Not what this gym rat should have done with his life instead of bodybuilding.


Title: Re: Mr. Natural Olympia - can someone explain
Post by: Figo on October 10, 2012, 12:43:16 PM

1-Maybe if you (John) place your pants a bit lower (your toso won't look so funky)
2- Stop calling yourself Natural Mr.Olympia, not even Jay or Ronnie,Dexter, or Philsulin called themselves MR.O and everyone calls themselves NATURAL in this business...maybe thats why people can't take you seriously....


The pants thing is to hide looseness below and around belly button area

Natural is the whole point. That's how he's made a name in bbing. Otherwise wouldn't feature


Title: Re: Mr. Natural Olympia - can someone explain
Post by: Van_Bilderass on October 10, 2012, 12:45:31 PM
This is a life-long juicer. Without the "natural" qualifier what would he be? Just another
average juicer with a huge ribcage. Well he's still not much but apparently he gets at least a little recognition out of his lying.


Look at the hormones dripping out his skin.

(http://www.ironmanmagazine.com/blogs/johnhansen/wp-content/uploads/John-HansenTrophy-pose.jpg)

Just another Faildo, Moody, Willet, LaCour, etc.


Title: Re: Mr. Natural Olympia - can someone explain
Post by: Big Chiro Flex on October 10, 2012, 12:49:59 PM
This is a life-long juicer. Without the "natural" qualifier what would he be? Just another
average juicer with a huge ribcage. Well he's still not much but apparently he gets at least a little recognition out of his lying.


Look at the hormones dripping out his skin.

(http://www.ironmanmagazine.com/blogs/johnhansen/wp-content/uploads/John-HansenTrophy-pose.jpg)

Just another Faildo, Moody, Willet, LaCour, etc.
Pure speculation. You, just like every other doubter, have no proof. Just another guy spouting his opinion (just like I'm doing too I suppose.) There are genetic freaks that exist out there. Mostly it's black dudes but an occasional white guy gets lucky. Ive seen John in real life recently. In clothes, he is UNIMPRESSIVE. Just like Juan Morel in clothes wasnt that impressive either, but when the shirt comes off its lights out. Bodybuilding is about ILLUSION. You guys are like conspiracy theorists, I swear. Someone's always out to get you, to trick you!  ::)


Title: Re: Mr. Natural Olympia - can someone explain
Post by: bigmikecox on October 10, 2012, 12:53:00 PM
I actally know John H and his background.
You guys are clueless and spreading gossip.

Dont waste your breath. A lot of these guys dont even lift, so for them to say they "know" he is juiced is crap


Title: Re: Mr. Natural Olympia - can someone explain
Post by: Figo on October 10, 2012, 12:54:31 PM
This is a life-long juicer. Without the "natural" qualifier what would he be? Just another
average juicer with a huge ribcage. Well he's still not much but apparently he gets at least a little recognition out of his lying.


Look at the hormones dripping out his skin.

(http://www.ironmanmagazine.com/blogs/johnhansen/wp-content/uploads/John-HansenTrophy-pose.jpg)

Just another Faildo, Moody, Willet, LaCour, etc.

Willet. That's the name I couldn't remember. Jeff willet, him and skip are amazing naturals! Weird how willet's muscle disappeared when he stopped his natural training and diet. That must've been some serious training, because the muscle-wasting that took place is reminiscent of drug users off cycle.

Must be because their superior hard training and diet has drug-like anabolic effects
Shouldn't their superior genetics aid in holding on to their natural muscle mass?
I mean, if you are able to make drug-like gains as a natural, even if you don't weight train, you're gonna be some kind of freak, IMO


Title: Re: Mr. Natural Olympia - can someone explain
Post by: Big Chiro Flex on October 10, 2012, 01:00:32 PM
Willet. That's the name I couldn't remember. Jeff willet, him and skip are amazing naturals! Weird how willet's muscle disappeared when he stopped his natural training and diet. That must've been some serious training, because the muscle-wasting that took place is reminiscent of drug users off cycle.

Must be because their superior hard training and diet has drug-like anabolic effects
Shouldn't their superior genetics aid in holding on to their natural muscle mass?
I mean, if you are able to make drug-like gains as a natural, even if you don't weight train, you're gonna be some kind of freak, IMO
Most people's muscles disappear when they stop training or dieting. I've seen this with myself when i got injured and many people I know


Title: Re: Mr. Natural Olympia - can someone explain
Post by: Van_Bilderass on October 10, 2012, 01:03:17 PM
Pure speculation. You, just like every other doubter, have no proof. Just another guy spouting his opinion (just like I'm doing too I suppose.) There are genetic freaks that exist out there. Mostly it's black dudes but an occasional white guy gets lucky. Ive seen John in real life recently. In clothes, he is UNIMPRESSIVE. Just like Juan Morel in clothes wasnt that impressive either, but when the shirt comes off its lights out. Bodybuilding is about ILLUSION. You guys are like conspiracy theorists, I swear. Someone's always out to get you, to trick you!  ::)

There is no conspiracy and no speculation on my part. But there is an industry built on lies
and bullshit. It's fitting that this guy was (is?) sponsored by Muscletech.


Title: Re: Mr. Natural Olympia - can someone explain
Post by: Your Average GymRat on October 10, 2012, 01:05:29 PM
Pure speculation. You, just like every other doubter, have no proof. Just another guy spouting his opinion (just like I'm doing too I suppose.) There are genetic freaks that exist out there. Mostly it's black dudes but an occasional white guy gets lucky. Ive seen John in real life recently. In clothes, he is UNIMPRESSIVE. Just like Juan Morel in clothes wasnt that impressive either, but when the shirt comes off its lights out. Bodybuilding is about ILLUSION. You guys are like conspiracy theorists, I swear. Someone's always out to get you, to trick you!  ::)
How'd he look when you got him out of those trousers, stud?


Title: Re: Mr. Natural Olympia - can someone explain
Post by: Dr Dutch on October 10, 2012, 01:05:47 PM
I think Hansen could have been natural. Not Skip, of course....I'm not a fool, I am a Dr....


Title: Re: Mr. Natural Olympia - can someone explain
Post by: Dr Dutch on October 10, 2012, 01:06:35 PM
How'd he look when you got him out of those trousers, stud?
Hey, YAGR my friend !!!  How are you doing ?


Title: Re: Mr. Natural Olympia - can someone explain
Post by: Big Chiro Flex on October 10, 2012, 01:08:22 PM
How'd he look when you got him out of those trousers, stud?
He was gentle with me, and we even cuddled after.

How have you been? How's the family?


Title: Re: Mr. Natural Olympia - can someone explain
Post by: dj181 on October 10, 2012, 01:14:41 PM
"leave john alone!"


Title: Re: Mr. Natural Olympia - can someone explain
Post by: che on October 10, 2012, 01:39:40 PM
I totally agree with you. You have to eat a ton of calories to get big naturally, especially if you are young with a fast metabolism and an ectomorph. I did the same thing for two years when I was 20-21 to gain weight and get bigger. A lot of young kids today always want to be ripped and have the abs but you can't do that and get big at the same time. A lot of these guys think the only way to get bigger is to take steroids but they can get big too if they eat more.

STFU you lying piece of shit, this is Getbig not BB.com you fucking fag.


Title: Re: Mr. Natural Olympia - can someone explain
Post by: Jaime on October 10, 2012, 01:49:29 PM
What is the Natural Mr.O and how many people compete John?


How can a 50 year old win a bodybuilding competition?


Title: Re: Mr. Natural Olympia - can someone explain
Post by: XBB007 on October 10, 2012, 02:07:53 PM


How can a 50 year old win a bodybuilding competition?
This made me lol.... ;D


Title: Re: Mr. Natural Olympia - can someone explain
Post by: Big Chiro Flex on October 10, 2012, 02:12:13 PM
There is no conspiracy and no speculation on my part. But there is an industry built on lies
and bullshit. It's fitting that this guy was (is?) sponsored by Muscletech.
Unless you have some proof,  it's pure speculation and you're no better than the monkeys who believe the Annunaki will destroy the world on December 21, 2012.


Title: Re: Mr. Natural Olympia - can someone explain
Post by: Jaime on October 10, 2012, 02:18:48 PM
Unless you have some proof,  it's pure speculation and you're no better than the monkeys who believe the Annunaki will destroy the world on December 21, 2012.


Please don't talk about that...First rule of getbig is, we don't talk about the Annunaki...


No homo.


Title: Re: Mr. Natural Olympia - can someone explain
Post by: D.O.U.P on October 10, 2012, 02:22:11 PM
HMMMM.....

Maybe?

Ive been looking at his build (very impressive at any age esp 49) and I think he might be telling the truth.

His body has been pretty consistent and for christ sakes he's 185 so MAYBE.....


Title: Re: Mr. Natural Olympia - can someone explain
Post by: arce1988 on October 10, 2012, 02:25:20 PM
  Looks like pure shit.


Title: Re: Mr. Natural Olympia - can someone explain
Post by: The Grim Lifter on October 10, 2012, 02:27:18 PM
He is completely clueless about many things.


Title: Re: Mr. Natural Olympia - can someone explain
Post by: che on October 10, 2012, 02:31:38 PM
  Looks like pure shit.

I like your style Arce1988


Title: Re: Mr. Natural Olympia - can someone explain
Post by: Pet shop boys on October 10, 2012, 02:34:54 PM
(http://www.ironmanmagazine.com/blogs/johnhansen/wp-content/uploads/John-HansenTrophy-pose.jpg)
Pure speculation. You, just like every other doubter, have no proof. Just another guy spouting his opinion (just like I'm doing too I suppose.) There are genetic freaks that exist out there. Mostly it's black dudes but an occasional white guy gets lucky. Ive seen John in real life recently. In clothes, he is UNIMPRESSIVE. Just like Juan Morel in clothes wasnt that impressive either, but when the shirt comes off its lights out. Bodybuilding is about ILLUSION. You guys are like conspiracy theorists, I swear. Someone's always out to get you, to trick you!  ::)

Just take a look at the vascularity,veins and thickness in forearms.........



WOOOSSSHHHHHHH


Title: Re: Mr. Natural Olympia - can someone explain
Post by: Viking11 on October 10, 2012, 02:38:07 PM
What is the Natural Mr.O and how many people compete John?


How can a 50 year old win a bodybuilding competition?
Ever hear of Albert  Beckles ?


Title: Re: Mr. Natural Olympia - can someone explain
Post by: Method101 on October 10, 2012, 02:39:06 PM
Some guys are just lucky to be hiper-responsive to creatine ::).
All drugs cell-tek

 :D


Title: Re: Mr. Natural Olympia - can someone explain
Post by: Jaime on October 10, 2012, 02:42:01 PM
Ever hear of Albert  Beckles ?


Are you comparing this gimps genetics to Albert Beckles?

50 year old Albert Beckles isn't beating anyone in their twenties who has great genetics, even less so as a natural with zero test or natural gh production.


Title: Re: Mr. Natural Olympia - can someone explain
Post by: delon on October 10, 2012, 02:42:47 PM
HMMMM.....

Maybe?

Ive been looking at his build (very impressive at any age esp 49) and I think he might be telling the truth.

His body has been pretty consistent and for christ sakes he's 185 so MAYBE.....

He has had a natural competition weight of 210 @ 5'8 - 25lbs heavier






Title: Re: Mr. Natural Olympia - can someone explain
Post by: Jaime on October 10, 2012, 02:46:39 PM
He has had a natural competition weight of 210 @ 5'8 - 25lbs heavier








25lbs more than Zane and an inch shorter so about 30lbs.


Title: Re: Mr. Natural Olympia - can someone explain
Post by: BB on October 10, 2012, 03:36:04 PM
He's also leaner, heavier, and shorter than many of the freaks and contest winners of the 40's, 50's -

Bodybuilder:

Clarence Ross    #198   

John Farbotnik    #195

George Eiferman    #195   

Reg Park            #214   

John Grimek    #208   

Jack Delinger    #195   

Steve Reeves    #214   


Could it really be all training, rib cage expansion, creatine, vitamins, etc..... ? Something to ponder.


Title: Re: Mr. Natural Olympia - can someone explain
Post by: Disgusted on October 10, 2012, 05:34:30 PM
I don't really care what people do or take but when this guy comes on here and lies, well that doesn't really bother me either. What does bother me is that some of these younger guys on here think this guy is natural. Trust me I may not be the sharpest tool in the shed, but I've been around long enough to know this guy is loaded up on everything he can get his hands on. John is a mish mash of good and bad genetics. He probably knew early on that he would never turn pro due to his limited genetics especially in the leg department. He had nice arms and chest, decent shoulders and back and somewhat of a wide waist and ribcage which doesn't really help in the aesthetics appeal. So he did what all the rest of them guys with subpar genetics do and that's "become natural". Look at this pic of Ergo who said that he is 50 in this pic and compare it to John. Ergo is 6ft tall at 238 around 6% BF. So apparently steroids don't work at all cause he certainly doesn't claim to be natural. Forget what John says he weighs he has a very large amount of drug built muscle on him even for someone in the 20's let alone 50's.  



Title: Re: Mr. Natural Olympia - can someone explain
Post by: Metabolic on October 10, 2012, 05:37:20 PM
I cant wrap my mind around all the gullible suckers that defend this cockmongling liar.

He's weight/conditioning is/was comparable to pro bodybuilders who have admitted use, he is alreado 50 years old, a body well past the hormonal peak, and maintains all the muscle mass?

Not only are you a delusional liar, but you have really shitty upper body genetics, worst than Kai Greene´s, and I bet that is what hold you from going into competetive bbing back then.

HTH, you are full of shit  :)


Title: Re: Mr. Natural Olympia - can someone explain
Post by: Figo on October 10, 2012, 11:35:22 PM

He probably knew early on that he would never turn pro due to his limited genetics

So he did what all the rest of them guys with subpar genetics do and that's "become natural".  



This


Title: Re: Mr. Natural Olympia - can someone explain
Post by: BigCyp on October 10, 2012, 11:41:23 PM
"leave john alone!"

Ahahaha instant classic


Title: Re: Mr. Natural Olympia - can someone explain
Post by: AbrahamG on October 11, 2012, 07:11:39 AM
He takes test and fucks dudes.  Live and let live.  No homo.


Title: Re: Mr. Natural Olympia - can someone explain
Post by: Big Chiro Flex on October 11, 2012, 10:03:41 PM
Just take a look at the vascularity,veins and thickness in forearms.........



WOOOSSSHHHHHHH
There's a lot of really fkn great natty Bodybuilders out there. Where do you draw the line for what's acceptable to Be considered a natural physique? There's always someone with naturally better genetics who's showing up at these natty shows and pissing clean and passing lie detector tests. there's freaks out there...just look at some "prison yard" physiques that black inmates have. All about genetics!

There's also some really ugly fat f***'s out there on grams of gear who are just bad Bodybuilders. I train with a kid on occasion here at my gym whos on a gram of test and 600mg NPP a week and he still can't break past 16" (not shredded) arms. Point here is that based on Bodybuilders I've known personally, Johns physique and claims are believable. Theres some pics of some really great natties on this site (Krank, meso) who understand that some people are just gifted at building lean muscle without drugs. You can't lump everyone into a box and say "impossible without drugs!" The man is 185 lbs FFS


Title: Re: Mr. Natural Olympia - can someone explain
Post by: MCWAY on October 11, 2012, 10:15:05 PM
There's a lot of really fkn great natty Bodybuilders out there. Where do you draw the line for what's acceptable to Be considered a natural physique? There's always someone with naturally better genetics who's showing up at these natty shows and pissing clean and passing lie detector tests. there's freaks out there...just look at some "prison yard" physiques that black inmates have. All about genetics!

There's also some really ugly fat f***'s out there on grams of gear who are just bad Bodybuilders. I train with a kid on occasion here at my gym whos on a gram of test and 600mg NPP a week and he still can't break past 16" (not shredded) arms. Point here is that based on Bodybuilders I've known personally, Johns physique and claims are believable. Theres some pics of some really great natties on this site (Krank, meso) who understand that some people are just gifted at building lean muscle without drugs. You can't lump everyone into a box and say "impossible without drugs!" The man is 185 lbs FFS

And he's smaller than what he used to be, when he competed in the low 200s. Hansen has never been a monster (relatively speaking).

The idea, however, that it's impossible for him (or someone like him) to bulk up to 230 (as he did in those pics shown) without anabolics is downright ludicrous.

Again, the problem is that many of the "whiners", as I call them, are so obsessed with being "lean", that they don't eat and drink calories needed for overall size and mass.

Wasn't Arnold quoted as saying that "You don't sculpt a pebble; you can only sculpt a big piece of granite." (or something to that effect)?

Granted, you're not trying to be a sumo wrestler. But, if abs are the only muscles you possess, you have major problems, if you want to be a bodybuilder.

To borrow from a certain 8-time Mr. Olympia, "Everybody wanna be a bodybuilder; but don't nobody want to eat no heavy-@$$ food." And by 'eat', I don't mean just literally chewing and swallowing regular food. When I was in college, about half of my calories came from weight-gainer shakes (either commercial brands, when I could afford them; or ones make from milk and eggs, when I couldn't afford the commercial ones).


Title: Re: Mr. Natural Olympia - can someone explain
Post by: Big Chiro Flex on October 11, 2012, 10:25:58 PM
And he's smaller than what he used to be, when he competed in the low 200s. Hansen has never been a monster (relatively speaking).

The idea, however, that it's impossible for him (or someone like him) to bulk up to 230 (as he did in those pics shown) without anabolics is downright ludicrous.

Again, the problem is that many of the "whiners", as I call them, are so obsessed with being "lean", that they don't eat and drink calories needed for overall size and mass.

Wasn't Arnold quoted as saying that "You don't sculpt a pebble; you can only sculpt a big piece of granite." (or something to that effect)?

Granted, you're not trying to be a sumo wrestler. But, if abs are the only muscles you possess, you have major problems, if you want to be a bodybuilder.

To borrow from a certain 8-time Mr. Olympia, "Everybody wanna be a bodybuilder; but don't nobody want to eat no heavy-@$$ food." And by 'eat', I don't mean just literally chewing and swallowing regular food. When I was in college, about half of my calories came from weight-gainer shakes (either commercial brands, when I could afford them; or ones make from milk and eggs, when I couldn't afford the commercial ones).
Good points. I don't see this side of the argument ever presented....only drug accusations if someone has anything over 16" arms. Those "whiners" are just as blind as the people who believe Phil or Kai are drug free. Both are extremist views, and not accurate or fair.



Title: Re: Mr. Natural Olympia - can someone explain
Post by: Van_Bilderass on October 11, 2012, 11:14:57 PM
Good points. I don't see this side of the argument ever presented....only drug accusations if someone has anything over 16" arms. Those "whiners" are just as blind as the people who believe Phil or Kai are drug free. Both are extremist views, and not accurate or fair.



Are you the person in your avatar?

What could be your motivation to post the BS you do?
I just don't get it, what's in it for you? This cult is really sick.


Title: Re: Mr. Natural Olympia - can someone explain
Post by: Powerlift66 on October 12, 2012, 12:15:45 AM
Liar.. Filt....GetBig drugger...

(http://www.ironmanmagazine.com/blogs/johnhansen/wp-content/uploads/556431_3221812979061_1488274100_n.jpg)


Title: Re: Mr. Natural Olympia - can someone explain
Post by: GoneAway on October 12, 2012, 01:04:25 AM
Even with people like Disgusted and Van palming John off, it just seems within the realm of possibility that he's natural. Sure, his arms and chest at their peak were akin to Arnold's... that may say it all... but John has been nothing but respectful in his comments. He could just say nothing and not bother defending himself, yet he comes in here and tells his side of the story. That's all that he can do.

He's a lifelong dedicated bodybuilder - more than just a gym junkie, weekend warrior or ab-shooter. IMO, he has GREAT genetics. A big ribcage is a PLUS in bodybuilding. Some people should get their facts straight.


Title: Re: Mr. Natural Olympia - can someone explain
Post by: BigCyp on October 12, 2012, 01:39:00 AM
Can someone also explain why garebear has unnatural feelings towards children?


Title: Re: Mr. Natural Olympia - can someone explain
Post by: Figo on October 12, 2012, 04:41:04 AM
Even with people like Disgusted and Van palming John off, it just seems within the realm of possibility that he's natural. Sure, his arms and chest at their peak were akin to Arnold's... that may say it all... but John has been nothing but respectful in his comments. He could just say nothing and not bother defending himself, yet he comes in here and tells his side of the story. That's all that he can do.

He's a lifelong dedicated bodybuilder - more than just a gym junkie, weekend warrior or ab-shooter. IMO, he has GREAT genetics. A big ribcage is a PLUS in bodybuilding. Some people should get their facts straight.

He is very respectful, and he's a likeable guy by all accounts, yet obviously he cannot come clean regarding his aas use, its how he makes a living.
On IA, john walks on water, he also represents companies, he can't just admit drug use to make us happy. 


Title: Re: Mr. Natural Olympia - can someone explain
Post by: oliolioli on October 12, 2012, 04:55:15 AM
Are you the person in your avatar?

What could be your motivation to post the BS you do?
I just don't get it, what's in it for you? This cult is really sick.


Some people are just stupid and goolible and want to believe in something like a man in the sky or a natural bodybuilder, sometimes it's just as simple as that.


Title: Re: Mr. Natural Olympia - can someone explain
Post by: Big Chiro Flex on October 12, 2012, 08:28:31 AM
Are you the person in your avatar?

What could be your motivation to post the BS you do?
I just don't get it, what's in it for you? This cult is really sick.

Yeah bro, it's me. I'm 5'10, 200 lbs with 18" arms when pumped. (the avatar stretches my whole body out wider, so it makes them look bigger). And yes I'm Drug free.  But I also have chest and legs that respond terribly no matter how hard I hit them. Just another example of genetics coming into play. Genetic dispositions vary too greatly to categorize people with absolute statements about what can or can't be achieved naturally. Guarantee that Ronnie would have been the greatest natural bodybuilder alive if he decided to go that route. Genetics are EVERYTHING.

My only motivation to present a differing opinion is that there's people who don't put in even a couple years building a fkn foundation, before hopping on the sauce. You never know whats achievable naturally unless you work your ass off for a few years. Im in my 5th year of training and ive yet to hit this magical "plateau" that i hear talked about. When people accuse me of juicing, it confirms the fact that people just speculate and talk out there ass making crazy claims. My physique is  PATHETIC compared to the juicers at my gym, yet I get accused of it because my arms grow from doing barely any direct arm work???  The guy who started coaching me is a lifetime natural as well...he has a SICK physique. If I wouldn't have had this mentor as someone to aspire to be like, I probably would have hopped on the sauce From the get-go, and would have never known that i could achieve physique I have now naturally.

Not trying to hijack this thread, it's not about me. There's many other true natties on this site that look 10x better. Just offering a different perspective than the same BS that gets regurgitated here on a daily basis.


Title: Re: Mr. Natural Olympia - can someone explain
Post by: Big Chiro Flex on October 12, 2012, 08:36:35 AM
Even with people like Disgusted and Van palming John off, it just seems within the realm of possibility that he's natural. Sure, his arms and chest at their peak were akin to Arnold's... that may say it all... but John has been nothing but respectful in his comments. He could just say nothing and not bother defending himself, yet he comes in here and tells his side of the story. That's all that he can do.

He's a lifelong dedicated bodybuilder - more than just a gym junkie, weekend warrior or ab-shooter. IMO, he has GREAT genetics. A big ribcage is a PLUS in bodybuilding. Some people should get their facts straight.
I agree with much of your posts, but John in real life is like a miniature Arnold. Not even on the same level. I
His insertions are great, and he's got a shorter frame, but he's nowhere near as breathtaking (no homo) as the Oak


Title: Re: Mr. Natural Olympia - can someone explain
Post by: Van_Bilderass on October 12, 2012, 08:38:43 AM
Yeah bro, it's me. I'm 5'10, 200 lbs with 18" arms when pumped. (the avatar stretches my whole body out wider, so it makes them look bigger). And yes I'm Drug free.  But I also have chest and legs that respond terribly no matter how hard I hit them. Just another example of genetics coming into play. Genetic dispositions vary too greatly to categorize people with absolute statements about what can or can't be achieved naturally. Guarantee that Ronnie would have been the greatest natural bodybuilder alive if he decided to go that route. Genetics are EVERYTHING.

My only motivation to present a differing opinion is that there's people who don't put in even a couple years building a fkn foundation, before hopping on the sauce. You never know whats achievable naturally unless you work your ass off for a few years. Im in my 5th year of training and ive yet to hit this magical "plateau" that i hear talked about. When people accuse me of juicing, it confirms the fact that people just speculate and talk out there ass making crazy claims. My physique is  PATHETIC compared to the juicers at my gym, yet I get accused of it because my arms grow from doing barely any direct arm work???

Not trying to hijack this thread, it's not about me. There's many other true natties on this site that look 10x better. Just offering a different perspective than the same BS that gets regurgitated here on a daily basis.

Yeah I hit "view pic" on your avatar and the avatar is bunched up. The skin texture looks somewhat suspect at first glance. Can't tell definitively from it though, so let's leave that. Pic of delt area would be better.

In any case, forget stats. I don't care about stats and I've argued this so many times before.
Drugs give certain look. Platz had tiny ass arms. Columbu had smallish "natural size" arms. Zane weighed in at a "natural" bodyweight. Bodybuilding is the look mainly, not the stat on paper. Sometimes stats can definitively say someone is juicing as they are so outrageous but many good bodybuilders don't look that impressive on paper yet are juiced up all the same.

Look at the double bi of John posted earlier, I think he said from 1996. Even his face tells the story.


Title: Re: Mr. Natural Olympia - can someone explain
Post by: Big Chiro Flex on October 12, 2012, 08:45:18 AM
Yeah I hit "view pic" on your avatar and the avatar is bunched up. The skin texture looks somewhat suspect at first glance. Can't tell definitively from it though, so let's leave that. Pic of delt area would be better.

In any case, forget stats. I don't care about stats and I've argued this so many times before.
Drugs give certain look. Platz had tiny ass arms. Columbu had smallish "natural size" arms. Zane weighed in at a "natural" bodyweight. Bodybuilding is the look mainly, not the stat on paper. Sometimes stats can definitively say someone is juicing as they are so outrageous but many good bodybuilders don't look that impressive on paper yet are juiced up all the same.

Look at the double bi of John posted earlier, I think he said from 1996. Even his face tells the story.
Skin texture: shaved arms, tanning bed, and an epic pre workout carb load of a large pizza and ice cream = monster pump!! :D I have good delts too, and calves, but the rest falls apart.

You know as much as I do whether John is a lying POS or not, I'm just saying that there's a chance he just really is a genetic freak and it's possible. Not a popular opinion here though haha


Title: Re: Mr. Natural Olympia - can someone explain
Post by: ob205 on October 12, 2012, 09:12:14 AM
Funny you compare him to Arnold, ever seen pics of Arnold off, he looked very normal.  So in essence you are saying Arnold's genetics SUCKED (only a good responder to gear) and Mr. Natty O is superior, if that were reality, just use 200mg/test a week and be 10x Mr. O and famous EASY!

(http://www.ectomorphbodybuilder.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/arnold2.jpg)


Title: Re: Mr. Natural Olympia - can someone explain
Post by: Figo on October 12, 2012, 09:55:51 AM
Funny you compare him to Arnold, ever seen pics of Arnold off, he looked very normal.  So in essence you are saying Arnold's genetics SUCKED (only a good responder to gear) and Mr. Natty O is superior, if that were reality, just use 200mg/test a week and be 10x Mr. O and famous EASY!

(http://www.ectomorphbodybuilder.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/arnold2.jpg)

Yep



Title: Re: Mr. Natural Olympia - can someone explain
Post by: Figo on October 12, 2012, 09:57:11 AM

You know as much as I do whether John is a lying POS or not, I'm just saying that there's a chance he just really is a genetic freak and it's possible.

You're finally coming around, almost there...


Title: Re: Mr. Natural Olympia - can someone explain
Post by: Disgusted on October 12, 2012, 10:08:01 AM
Yeah I hit "view pic" on your avatar and the avatar is bunched up. The skin texture looks somewhat suspect at first glance. Can't tell definitively from it though, so let's leave that. Pic of delt area would be better.

In any case, forget stats. I don't care about stats and I've argued this so many times before.
Drugs give certain look. Platz had tiny ass arms. Columbu had smallish "natural size" arms. Zane weighed in at a "natural" bodyweight. Bodybuilding is the look mainly, not the stat on paper. Sometimes stats can definitively say someone is juicing as they are so outrageous but many good bodybuilders don't look that impressive on paper yet are juiced up all the same.

Look at the double bi of John posted earlier, I think he said from 1996. Even his face tells the story.

Yeah but you are forgetting the "fact" that John is a nice guy so therefore logic tells us he wouldn't lie. Forget about the "fact" that he has an androgen face and some suspect gyno.


Title: Re: Mr. Natural Olympia - can someone explain
Post by: Big Chiro Flex on October 12, 2012, 12:49:31 PM
You're finally coming around, almost there...

My stance hasn't changed brother


Title: Re: Mr. Natural Olympia - can someone explain
Post by: ob205 on October 13, 2012, 08:17:15 AM
This guy was all natural as well.....oh nevermind he had SHIT genetics!

(http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Sport/Pix/pictures/2010/5/13/1273711817200/Ben-Johnson-and-Charlie-F-006.jpg)


Title: Re: Mr. Natural Olympia - can someone explain
Post by: jude2 on October 13, 2012, 08:54:28 AM
This guy was all natural as well.....oh nevermind he had SHIT genetics!

(http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Sport/Pix/pictures/2010/5/13/1273711817200/Ben-Johnson-and-Charlie-F-006.jpg)
Great pic.  This is why size is not the only thing to look for when someone is on juice. Most would look at Ben in this pic and think he is natural, but we know he is not. Same with all the juiced up tennis players.


Title: Re: Mr. Natural Olympia - can someone explain
Post by: Figo on October 13, 2012, 09:35:53 AM
Great pic.  This is why size is not the only thing to look for when someone is on juice. Most would look at Ben in this pic and think he is natural, but we know he is not. Same with all the juiced up tennis players.
tennis, baseball, nfl, nhl, cycling, soccer, all olympic sports,



Title: Re: Mr. Natural Olympia - can someone explain
Post by: drmarkp on October 13, 2012, 10:10:07 AM
He's the size of some IFBB pro's ffs  ;D

Some people think that taking Pro-hormones still qualifies as natural..


Title: Re: Mr. Natural Olympia - can someone explain
Post by: njflex on October 13, 2012, 10:11:55 AM
Some people think that taking Pro-hormones still qualifies as natural..
'definiton'of natural has a broad scope nowaday's..


Title: Re: Mr. Natural Olympia - can someone explain
Post by: tbombz on October 13, 2012, 10:21:34 AM
HRT  ;D ;D I love that word

for most guys in the industry HRT doses =  2-3g a week.

I guess in this bizarro world that gives you natty status


fuck no. some guys might consider 750mg HRT but NOBODY considers grams to be HRT. you guys drank way too much of the gh15 cool aid


Title: Re: Mr. Natural Olympia - can someone explain
Post by: Pet shop boys on October 13, 2012, 01:21:22 PM
There's a lot of really fkn great natty Bodybuilders out there. Where do you draw the line for what's acceptable to Be considered a natural physique? There's always someone with naturally better genetics who's showing up at these natty shows and pissing clean and passing lie detector tests. there's freaks out there...just look at some "prison yard" physiques that black inmates have. All about genetics!

There's also some really ugly fat f***'s out there on grams of gear who are just bad Bodybuilders. I train with a kid on occasion here at my gym whos on a gram of test and 600mg NPP a week and he still can't break past 16" (not shredded) arms. Point here is that based on Bodybuilders I've known personally, Johns physique and claims are believable. Theres some pics of some really great natties on this site (Krank, meso) who understand that some people are just gifted at building lean muscle without drugs. You can't lump everyone into a box and say "impossible without drugs!" The man is 185 lbs FFS


I'm just saying that the thickness of  veins poping on pecks,shoulders and forearms......  are the result of anabolics in that particular picture....  I've been around long enough.



WOOOSSSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH H


Title: Re: Mr. Natural Olympia - can someone explain
Post by: MCWAY on October 14, 2012, 06:51:38 AM
He's also leaner, heavier, and shorter than many of the freaks and contest winners of the 40's, 50's -

Bodybuilder:

Clarence Ross    #198   

John Farbotnik    #195

George Eiferman    #195   

Reg Park            #214   

John Grimek    #208   

Jack Delinger    #195   

Steve Reeves    #214   


Could it really be all training, rib cage expansion, creatine, vitamins, etc..... ? Something to ponder.

That settles it. Anyone who's bigger, stronger, or faster than their precedessors from FOUR OR FIVE DECADES ago must be taking anabolics by the truckload.  ::)


Title: Re: Mr. Natural Olympia - can someone explain
Post by: MCWAY on October 14, 2012, 06:53:41 AM
I have recently became aware of someone who claims to hold the title of "Mr. Natural Olympia" : John Hansen

Other than the fact that he goes to the movies with Erin singerman  then reviewing them for RxHustle (where he advertises) I must confess I had never heard of him.

-Was there once upon a time such a thing as 'the' IFBB Mr. Natural Olympia- if so why isnt there one anymore?

- is this guy as natural as his hair?

- does he have a younger double


(http://i1123.photobucket.com/albums/l542/criscolumbus/hansen-aaron-manlove.jpg)

(http://i1123.photobucket.com/albums/l542/criscolumbus/00John1.jpg)

(http://i1123.photobucket.com/albums/l542/criscolumbus/JohnHansen2.jpg)


It's not an IFBB title. That contest is in another organization, the INBA.

Here's a clip of the current winner, Kiyoshi Moody (who has posted on GetBig before). According to the INBA website, he's held the title, since 2009 and is going for his 4th straight win on November 9th.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sSCPThmZfTw


Title: Re: Mr. Natural Olympia - can someone explain
Post by: Van_Bilderass on October 14, 2012, 07:06:29 AM

Here's a clip of the current winner, Kiyoshi Moody (who has posted on GetBig before). According to the INBA website, he's held the title, since 2009 and is going for his 4th straight win on November 9th.



Kiyoshi "gyno surgery" Moody LOL. Such a blatant doper. :D


Title: Re: Mr. Natural Olympia - can someone explain
Post by: MCWAY on October 14, 2012, 07:14:26 AM
Kiyoshi "gyno surgery" Moody LOL. Such a blatant doper. :D

Gyno doesn't necessarily mean steroid use. I had gyno on my right pec, when I was teenager, weighing all of a 135.



Title: Re: Mr. Natural Olympia - can someone explain
Post by: Figo on October 14, 2012, 07:15:38 AM
Kiyoshi "gyno surgery" Moody LOL. Such a blatant doper. :D

When he trains really hard and focused, coupled with diet and PMA, his test levels mimic aas, to the extent that he gets gyno and other sides

Clearly Kyoshi is on another level genetically. Oh yes, and yams.


Title: Re: Mr. Natural Olympia - can someone explain
Post by: MCWAY on October 14, 2012, 09:16:53 AM
When he trains really hard and focused, coupled with diet and PMA, his test levels mimic aas, to the extent that he gets gyno and other sides

Clearly Kyoshi is on another level genetically. Oh yes, and yams.

What the heck is PMA?

Moody looks lanky. I thought he was 6' light-heavyweight. He's an ex-football player; so it's not surprising he has fairly good genetics.


Title: Re: Mr. Natural Olympia - can someone explain
Post by: njflex on October 14, 2012, 10:54:03 AM
What the heck is PMA?

Moody looks lanky. I thought he was 6' light-heavyweight. He's an ex-football player; so it's not surprising he has fairly good genetics.
he looks good,frame and gets in good condition.


Title: Re: Mr. Natural Olympia - can someone explain
Post by: JBGRAY on October 14, 2012, 10:56:42 AM
I bet this guy has a product line he endorses.....protein, creatine, maybe a mouthpiece.  Take this stuff, and you can be big like him too. 


Title: Re: Mr. Natural Olympia - can someone explain
Post by: MCWAY on October 14, 2012, 11:30:09 AM
he looks good,frame and gets in good condition.

His physique is good, no question. He just looks taller than he actually is, because of the proportions.


Title: Re: Mr. Natural Olympia - can someone explain
Post by: Raymondo on October 14, 2012, 11:34:22 AM
It's not an IFBB title. That contest is in another organization, the INBA.

Here's a clip of the current winner, Kiyoshi Moody (who has posted on GetBig before). According to the INBA website, he's held the title, since 2009 and is going for his 4th straight win on November 9th.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sSCPThmZfTw

omg what a total homo

this must be the gayest posing routine ever


Title: Re: Mr. Natural Olympia - can someone explain
Post by: pj braun on October 14, 2012, 12:00:33 PM
John Hansen is natural. Why is it so hard to believe that with 30 years of dedication someone can attain an 185lbs stage ready physique. You guys will say that anyone who looks better than you is on juice.

I'm on juice. John Hansen is not.


Title: Re: Mr. Natural Olympia - can someone explain
Post by: Snorlax on October 14, 2012, 12:08:14 PM
John Hansen is natural. Why is it so hard to believe that with 30 years of dedication someone can attain an 185lbs stage ready physique. You guys will say that anyone who looks better than you is on juice.

I'm on juice. John Hansen is not.

How are you going to cater to your "gay schmoe fans" coming off the juice  ??? ??? ???

f@ggget


Title: Re: Mr. Natural Olympia - can someone explain
Post by: MCWAY on October 14, 2012, 12:12:45 PM
omg what a total homo

this must be the gayest posing routine ever

Apparently, you didn't see Ronnie Coleman's 1994 Olympia presentation.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MxwrKt8UvBQ

Hey, it beats doing 200 most-musculars to Satan-worshipping metal.

 ;D


Title: Re: Mr. Natural Olympia - can someone explain
Post by: pj braun on October 14, 2012, 12:15:47 PM
How are you going to cater to your "gay schmoe fans" coming off the juice  ??? ??? ???

f@ggget

When you are as attractive as I am facially, you don't ever have to worry about such things.


Title: Re: Mr. Natural Olympia - can someone explain
Post by: Snorlax on October 14, 2012, 12:23:15 PM
When you are as attractive as I am facially, you don't ever have to worry about such things.

translation:

I'm just going from the top to bottom  ;D  ;D  ;D


Title: Re: Mr. Natural Olympia - can someone explain
Post by: pj braun on October 14, 2012, 12:25:05 PM
translation:

I'm just going from the top to bottom  ;D  ;D  ;D

Gay fantasizing... You must be one of my subscribers on FB. No, I will not wrestle you... No, you can't buy my underwear.


Title: Re: Mr. Natural Olympia - can someone explain
Post by: Van_Bilderass on October 14, 2012, 12:35:02 PM
Why is it so hard to believe that with 30 years of dedication someone can attain an 185lbs stage ready physique.

Because it doesn't work like that, 185 is not his peak muscular weight after 30 years of training. You don't put on muscle slowly at an even rate. John is just maintaining, trying to hold on to muscle he used to have. Even druggies experience this after a certain age, when you have to throw everything at it just to maintain (and ultimately fail).

If bodyweight and years training were the determining factor in whether someone is on drugs then Gaspari and Labrada would be natural today, but they are not. But by your logic they could easily claim this, and I'm sure they would.

John has had a drugged look, to different degrees, in many of his competitive years (after 1991 when he says he got off permanently).

There is no drug testing in "natural bodybuilding", not anything worth calling drug testing anyway.
And "athletes" will do anything they can get away with, otherwise there wouldn't be such a thing as drug testing in the first place (in any sport). There is no "honor" with regards to this issue. They will not obey rules if they think they can get away with cheating - and cheating is easy because the rules cannot be enforced... there is no one who would want to enforce them anyway. As 'tommywishbone' said, no one watches true natural bodybuilding.

NO WAY TO ENFORCE THE RULES = ZERO INCENTIVE TO COMPLY WITH THE SILLY RULES

Therefore there is no natural bodybuilding really.


Title: Re: Mr. Natural Olympia - can someone explain
Post by: MCWAY on October 14, 2012, 12:42:00 PM
Because it doesn't work like that, 185 is not his peak muscular weight after 30 years of training. You don't put on muscle slowly at an even rate. John is just maintaining, trying to hold on to muscle he used to have. Even druggies experience this after a certain age, when you have to throw everything at it just to maintain (and ultimately fail).

If bodyweight and years training were the determining factor in whether someone is on drugs then Gaspari and Labrada would be natural today, but they are not. But by your logic they could easily claim this, and I'm sure they would.

John has had a drugged look, to different degrees, in many of his competitive years (after 1991 when he says he got off permanently).

There is no drug testing in "natural bodybuilding", not anything worth calling drug testing anyway.
And "athletes" will do anything they can get away with, otherwise there wouldn't be such a thing as drug testing in the first place (in any sport). There is no "honor" with regards to this issue. They will not obey rules if they think they can get away with cheating - and cheating is easy because the rules cannot be enforced... there is no one who would want to enforce them anyway. As 'tommywishbone' said, no one watches true natural bodybuilding.

NO WAY TO ENFORCE THE RULES = ZERO INCENTIVE TO COMPLY WITH THE SILLY RULES

Therefore there is no natural bodybuilding really.

And what is "true natural bodybuilding"?

You guys can't make up your mind. Anyone who looks good with reasonably attainable physique, who claims to be natural, you swear that he's lying.

Yet, you turn around and accuse anyone of using steroids as being "all drugs".

It sounds like a case of sour grapes.


Title: Re: Mr. Natural Olympia - can someone explain
Post by: pj braun on October 14, 2012, 12:45:49 PM
Because it doesn't work like that, 185 is not his peak muscular weight after 30 years of training. You don't put on muscle slowly at an even rate. John is just maintaining, trying to hold on to muscle he used to have. Even druggies experience this after a certain age, when you have to throw everything at it just to maintain (and ultimately fail).

If bodyweight and years training were the determining factor in whether someone is on drugs then Gaspari and Labrada would be natural today, but they are not. But by your logic they could easily claim this, and I'm sure they would.

John has had a drugged look, to different degrees, in many of his competitive years (after 1991 when he says he got off permanently).

There is no drug testing in "natural bodybuilding", not anything worth calling drug testing anyway.
And "athletes" will do anything they can get away with, otherwise there wouldn't be such a thing as drug testing in the first place (in any sport). There is no "honor" with regards to this issue. They will not obey rules if they think they can get away with cheating - and cheating is easy because the rules cannot be enforced... there is no one who would want to enforce them anyway. As 'tommywishbone' said, no one watches true natural bodybuilding.

NO WAY TO ENFORCE THE RULES = ZERO INCENTIVE TO COMPLY WITH THE SILLY RULES

Therefore there is no natural bodybuilding really.

Van, pointing out that one doesn't continue to improve and put on muscle endlessly into old age isn't necessary. Even I know that! Lol.

John isn't a large man. i have met him in real life, and I 100% believe he is natural. But then again, what do I know. I have only spent my entire adult life getting people inshape for shows, attending show, competing myself, or speaking with people at the highest levels of the sport of bodybuilding.


Title: Re: Mr. Natural Olympia - can someone explain
Post by: Van_Bilderass on October 14, 2012, 12:50:06 PM
And what is "true natural bodybuilding"?

You guys can't make up your mind. Anyone who looks good with reasonably attainable physique, who claims to be natural, you swear that he's lying.

Yet, you turn around and accuse anyone of using steroids as being "all drugs".

It sounds like a case of sour grapes.

There are some natural trainees, I know quite a few of them. But when someones whole identity is built around looking muscular things change. This is without even taking into account the look I was talking about.

I'm really not one of those who cries about "all drugs" putting down all boddybuilders all the time.
I actually think bodybuilders should take pride in how dedicated they are with their drug intake, just as they would be with their diet or training regimen. I don't look down on drugs or drug users.
I look down on people who are ashamed of doing drugs. If you really feel ashamed of it, then get the fuck off them and have some pride.


Title: Re: Mr. Natural Olympia - can someone explain
Post by: arce1988 on October 14, 2012, 12:52:55 PM
  Will H. and Kai G. have super gay posing.


Title: Re: Mr. Natural Olympia - can someone explain
Post by: Van_Bilderass on October 14, 2012, 12:54:20 PM
But then again, what do I know. I have only spent my entire adult life getting people inshape for shows, attending show, competing myself, or speaking with people at the highest levels of the sport of bodybuilding.

Then you know the pathological psychology of most bodybuilders.

Even if I were to acknowledge that John in particular could be natural, you and I both know that the large majority of the so-called natural bodybuilders are anything but. Tell me I'm wrong. Tell me you believe all the naturals that have come through Getbig like Moody, Faildo, etc, are lifetime natural as they claim.


Title: Re: Mr. Natural Olympia - can someone explain
Post by: Irongrip400 on October 14, 2012, 12:56:54 PM
(http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b374/willbrink/Cropped1.jpg)

Will Brink looks like the lead singer to Judas Priest and probably swings the same way.


Title: Re: Mr. Natural Olympia - can someone explain
Post by: slate on October 14, 2012, 12:57:52 PM
John Hansen is natural. Why is it so hard to believe that with 30 years of dedication someone can attain an 185lbs stage ready physique. You guys will say that anyone who looks better than you is on juice.

I'm on juice. John Hansen is not.

TJ welcome back to GB

you must be pretty lonely there in FL to post here where you know you are loved. I understand, a cry for help .Your (boy)friend and provider -erin singerman- left you behind while traveling to europe

poor lonely TJ

cheer up, look at your favorite subject

(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=207311.0;attach=380420;image)



Title: Re: Mr. Natural Olympia - can someone explain
Post by: MCWAY on October 14, 2012, 01:31:04 PM
There are some natural trainees, I know quite a few of them. But when someones whole identity is built around looking muscular things change. This is without even taking into account the look I was talking about.

I'm really not one of those who cries about "all drugs" putting down all boddybuilders all the time.
I actually think bodybuilders should take pride in how dedicated they are with their drug intake, just as they would be with their diet or training regimen. I don't look down on drugs or drug users.
I look down on people who are ashamed of doing drugs. If you really feel ashamed of it, then get the fuck off them and have some pride.

Then, I apologize for lumping you into the "all drugs" criers.

Hansen claims he stopped using roids in 1990 and hasn't taken them, since then.

Moody claimed he's natural for life? I must have missed that one.


Title: Re: Mr. Natural Olympia - can someone explain
Post by: Van_Bilderass on October 14, 2012, 01:46:28 PM


Moody claimed he's natural for life? I must have missed that one.

Sure did. And as far as the gyno you said could be from natural causes, well, it's rare some
lean bodybuilder develops it in his 30's. He never actually acknowledged the surgery, I saw the faint outlines of scars in pics and when I mentioned it I got a PM from someone who said his gyno surgeon showed him before and afters of Moody's surgery results. Gyno was just one sign.
Moody is a guy who claims to put on 20lbs of muscle during each prep, going from 175-185 to 195-205 on stage. It doesn't quite work like that in naturals.

But for me all that info is not really needed, it's all in the look.


Title: Re: Mr. Natural Olympia - can someone explain
Post by: BB on October 14, 2012, 02:32:28 PM
That settles it. Anyone who's bigger, stronger, or faster than their precedessors from FOUR OR FIVE DECADES ago must be taking anabolics by the truckload.  ::)

Bwaaahhhaaahhahaa, aren't you the guy that gleefully runs to GNC every week pulling his dick in anticipation that you might run into some Muscletech or NO supplement on the discount table?

Tell me what has changed in the past 4-6 decades that could make a man leaner, bigger, and probably stronger than the legitimate freaks of of yesteryear at 20 - 25 years their senior? What marvel of short span human evolution?

Training - No. They were training the same as every other pro past or present.

Rest - Noski. Most of those guys lived the easy going life, same as they do now.

Food - Nope. Those fellas were packing away the calories and dieting down same as always.

Supplements - Ok, for all the Snake oil on the shelves, I'll spot you 5- 10 pounds more muscle in a young, modern man, but wait, I'll subtract the same for him being 20 - 25 year older than those guys were in their prime. Oops, back to square one.

What could it be ? Wait let me get my crystal ball, I will conjure up a man who might know the answer?

Sim -sim -sala -bim, I've got him on the line -

(http://www.medicalalumni.org/bulletin/winter_2009/images/featureziegler_quad2.jpg).

Oops just asked Ziegler, He told me "Don't be stupid, ya moron. You know know the answer", then he hung up.

And he's right, if you're smart you know the answer. Even if you don't want to offend people by mentioning it.





Title: Re: Mr. Natural Olympia - can someone explain
Post by: arce1988 on October 14, 2012, 02:40:16 PM
   PED


Title: Re: Mr. Natural Olympia - can someone explain
Post by: jude2 on October 14, 2012, 02:40:29 PM
Van B has been around long enough to know.


Title: Re: Mr. Natural Olympia - can someone explain
Post by: Kwon_2 on October 14, 2012, 02:48:56 PM
Apparently, you didn't see Ronnie Coleman's 1994 Olympia presentation.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MxwrKt8UvBQ

Hey, it beats doing 200 most-musculars to Satan-worshipping metal.

 ;D

What the hell is that shimmy he is doing at 00:22? LOL


Title: Re: Mr. Natural Olympia - can someone explain
Post by: Disgusted on October 14, 2012, 03:10:43 PM
John Hansen is natural. Why is it so hard to believe that with 30 years of dedication someone can attain an 185lbs stage ready physique. You guys will say that anyone who looks better than you is on juice.

I'm on juice. John Hansen is not.

Give me a break. I've been there and back and seen it all. I can take anyone and have them pass any test, hell I've done it. Most of these guys have had gyno surgery and try to hide it. Hell it's more than the scars it's also the unevenness that the surgery leaves behind. I remember talking to Mike Ashley at an after party years ago. He was talking about how he had done a college paper on steroids. The guy knew a lot about steroids and you gotta wonder why would he be so knowledgeable about something that he never used. LOL Fuck I get so sick of hearing these guys lie to kids making them believe that all they have to do is lift hard eat a ton  ::) and they will get big.


Title: Re: Mr. Natural Olympia - can someone explain
Post by: slate on October 14, 2012, 03:16:58 PM
Give me a break. I've been there and back and seen it all. I can take anyone and have them pass any test, hell I've done it. Most of these guys have had gyno surgery and try to hide it. Hell it's more than the scars it's also the unevenness that the surgery leaves behind. I remember talking to Mike Ashley at an after party years ago. He was talking about how he had done a college paper on steroids. The guy knew a lot about steroids and you gotta wonder why would he be so knowledgeable about something that he never used. LOL Fuck I get so sick of hearing these guys lie to kids making them believe that all they have to do is lift hard eat a ton  ::) and they will get big.

TJ is a scumbag. his word is worth absolutely nothing. he is here defending gay hansen cause his suggar daddy erin singerman has dealings with the man. so just ignore anything he says


Title: Re: Mr. Natural Olympia - can someone explain
Post by: Disgusted on October 14, 2012, 03:22:38 PM
TJ is a scumbag. his word is worth absolutely nothing. he is here defending gay hansen cause his suggar daddy erin singerman has dealings with the man. so just ignore anything he says

Woops yeah I didn't put the two together thanks. I used to train a natural powerlifter 20 years ago who still holds a record in one of the lifts that would take Dbol up to the day of the show. Like I said it's easy.


Title: Re: Mr. Natural Olympia - can someone explain
Post by: Pet shop boys on October 14, 2012, 03:44:19 PM
Because it doesn't work like that, 185 is not his peak muscular weight after 30 years of training. You don't put on muscle slowly at an even rate. John is just maintaining, trying to hold on to muscle he used to have. Even druggies experience this after a certain age, when you have to throw everything at it just to maintain (and ultimately fail).

If bodyweight and years training were the determining factor in whether someone is on drugs then Gaspari and Labrada would be natural today, but they are not. But by your logic they could easily claim this, and I'm sure they would.

John has had a drugged look, to different degrees, in many of his competitive years (after 1991 when he says he got off permanently).



That should be the end of this thread .

WOOOSSSHHHHHHHHHHHHH


Title: Re: Mr. Natural Olympia - can someone explain
Post by: MCWAY on October 14, 2012, 06:18:58 PM
Bwaaahhhaaahhahaa, aren't you the guy that gleefully runs to GNC every week pulling his dick in anticipation that you might run into some Muscletech or NO supplement on the discount table?

Tell me what has changed in the past 4-6 decades that could make a man leaner, bigger, and probably stronger than the legitimate freaks of of yesteryear at 20 - 25 years their senior? What marvel of short span human evolution?

Training - No. They were training the same as every other pro past or present.

Rest - Noski. Most of those guys lived the easy going life, same as they do now.

Food - Nope. Those fellas were packing away the calories and dieting down same as always.

Supplements - Ok, for all the Snake oil on the shelves, I'll spot you 5- 10 pounds more muscle in a young, modern man, but wait, I'll subtract the same for him being 20 - 25 year older than those guys were in their prime. Oops, back to square one.

What could it be ? Wait let me get my crystal ball, I will conjure up a man who might know the answer?

Sim -sim -sala -bim, I've got him on the line -

(http://www.medicalalumni.org/bulletin/winter_2009/images/featureziegler_quad2.jpg).

Oops just asked Ziegler, He told me "Don't be stupid, ya moron. You know know the answer", then he hung up.

And he's right, if you're smart you know the answer. Even if you don't want to offend people by mentioning it.





One, who said Hansen was "bigger or stronger"? He competes slightly over or under 200 lbs. By bodybuilding standards, he's hardly a monster.

Two, if you think people train today the way they did 40 to 60 years ago, you're the one who needs drug testing (and it ain't for anabolics).

Three, their diets were the same? PLEASE!! Bodybuilders of yesteryear (as in the 60s and early 70s) didn't so nearly as much cardio as bodybuilders do today. In fact, for the handful who got super-ripped, some were actually penalized for that.

Four, training-wise, many of those old-timers trained with the three-days-a-week routines for years on end. Now, those routines are recommended for beginners. I did that for my first 9 months of training, about 23 years ago.

If you want to be one of those crybabies who think he can't tie his shoe, without a syringe handy, knock yourself out.

And while, NO! I don't go around holding my junk (perhaps, you're projecting here), I am known as "Mr. Clearance Sale" on a couple of boards. Why not? A good deal of these supplements are good and, if you can get them dirt cheap, why not try them?

Oh, let me guess!! You're one of those rebels-without-a-cause/clue, who think there are evil supplement companies, hiding in the shadows, thinking of ways to take your pennies, shaking your fist with tuna can in the air in defiance.


Title: Re: Mr. Natural Olympia - can someone explain
Post by: Hulkotron on October 14, 2012, 07:19:01 PM
What are the drug testing procedures like at these "natural" bodybuilding competitions?

Also there is no drug test that will confirm someone is one year clean or 5 or 7 or lifetime.  Even if every single competitor is given state-of-the-art tests for gh, a variety of steroids, masking agents, diuretics, etc., all "natural" means is that they stop using drugs long enough before the test to beat it.


Title: Re: Mr. Natural Olympia - can someone explain
Post by: Big Chiro Flex on October 14, 2012, 07:28:36 PM
What are the drug testing procedures like at these "natural" bodybuilding competitions?

Also there is no drug test that will confirm someone is one year clean or 5 or 7 or lifetime.  Even if every single competitor is given state-of-the-art tests for gh, a variety of steroids, masking agents, diuretics, etc., all "natural" means is that they stop using drugs long enough before the test to beat it.
Every competitor at my last show had to take a lie detector test the night before. Winners got piss tested. Don't really know how reputable those are but the organization at least puts forth the effort to keep it fair and legit. Anyone willing to go to the lengths of cheating the system is scum and a schmuck for cheating to beat a bunch of scrawny natty Bodybuilders.

I think it's a reasonable approach. Im not sure what else they could do???


Title: Re: Mr. Natural Olympia - can someone explain
Post by: BB on October 14, 2012, 07:32:47 PM
author=MCWAY link=topic=443425.msg6366469#msg6366469 date=1350267538]
One, who said Hansen was "bigger or stronger"? He competes slightly over or under 200 lbs. By bodybuilding standards, he's hardly a monster.

He did just this year. For most he was well over #200 at 5' 8". At 40 plus years old. And much leaner than the much younger champions of the 40's, 50's.

Two, if you think people train today the way they did 40 to 60 years ago, you're the one who needs drug testing (and it ain't for anabolics).

Bullshit. Look at the the mags from the late 40's - 60's. Go read through the archives at http://ditillo2.blogspot.com/ or similar, they had low volume, high volume. High load, low load. 2x a day splits, etc.....

And even if you were to argue that Hansen, etc..... are using higher volumes, etc..... it works against your theory because Naturals usually get over trained on ultra high volume.


Three, their diets were the same? PLEASE!! Bodybuilders of yesteryear (as in the 60s and early 70s) didn't so nearly as much cardio as bodybuilders do today. In fact, for the handful who got super-ripped, some were actually penalized for that.

Diet is the same. Protein, Carbs, Fat. You can find multiple meal plans, ketogenic meal plans, etc.... in the old magazines.

And here is where you really fuck up.  The natural freaks of the 40's, 50's were relatively much fatter than Hansen, etc...... But Hansen, etc...... are older, bigger, and leaner without help? And on top of that doing cardio? When did doing cardio make you bigger? What type of dark wizardry is afoot here?

Everyone knows that cardio makes naturals much smaller. It's the first thing any natural gripes about when dieting. But these guys are getting bigger and leaner than any other naturals before them by doing it?

Four, training-wise, many of those old-timers trained with the three-days-a-week routines for years on end. Now, those routines are recommended for beginners. I did that for my first 9 months of training, about 23 years ago.

No, again, actually look at the old source materials, they did all types of training. Infact here is an old medical study based on old bodybuilders that shows a bunch of training schemes - http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2080112/pdf/brmedj03625-0025.pdf .


If you want to be one of those crybabies who think he can't tie his shoe, without a syringe handy, knock yourself out.

And while, NO! I don't go around holding my junk (perhaps, you're projecting here), I am known as "Mr. Clearance Sale" on a couple of boards. Why not? A good deal of these supplements are good and, if you can get them dirt cheap, why not try them?

Oh, let me guess!! You're one of those rebels-without-a-cause/clue, who think there are evil supplement companies, hiding in the shadows, thinking of ways to take your pennies, shaking your fist with tuna can in the air in defiance.


No, I'm just smart enough to understand that all physical endeavors suffer after a certain a point/age. It happens in most physical hobbies.

And that remark about clearance sales,  GNC, etc...... was a shot mean to show how you are one of these nimrods attached to the notion that some pie in the sky supplement will make you better than superior lifters, half your age from 50 years ago instead of understanding that for the most part everyone ages, and that most(even the elite) do not get better with age after a point unless they hop on the spike.

P.S. You might want to check out HMB on your next GNC visit, I hear it feels like Deca.


Title: Re: Mr. Natural Olympia - can someone explain
Post by: the_swami on October 14, 2012, 09:02:02 PM
there needs to be LIFETIME NATURAL BB comps

and let getbiggers decide who is lifetime natural and who is not

there are no tests that can detect whether someone is lifetime natural

the only way is by the look

NATURAL BB IS A FILT LIE


Title: Re: Mr. Natural Olympia - can someone explain
Post by: MCWAY on October 14, 2012, 09:02:46 PM
author=MCWAY link=topic=443425.msg6366469#msg6366469 date=1350267538]
One, who said Hansen was "bigger or stronger"? He competes slightly over or under 200 lbs. By bodybuilding standards, he's hardly a monster.

He did just this year. For most he was well over #200 at 5' 8". At 40 plus years old. And much leaner than the much younger champions of the 40's, 50's.

There are kids in HIGH SCHOOL, who are leaner than guys in the 40s and 50s. These are men that did next to no cardio and didn't diet to get ripped at all.


Two, if you think people train today the way they did 40 to 60 years ago, you're the one who needs drug testing (and it ain't for anabolics).

Bullshit. Look at the the mags from the late 40's - 60's. Go read through the archives at http://ditillo2.blogspot.com/ or similar, they had low volume, high volume. High load, low load. 2x a day splits, etc.....

And even if you were to argue that Hansen, etc..... are using higher volumes, etc..... it works against your theory because Naturals usually get over trained on ultra high volume.

Listen to what you just said. The old timers, many of them you assume were natural did high volume. Yet, high volume works against naturals of today? Make up your mind here. Volume is something you build up over time. And, if your diet and rest are sufficient, you can recover and grow from high-volume workouts, drugs or no drugs.


Three, their diets were the same? PLEASE!! Bodybuilders of yesteryear (as in the 60s and early 70s) didn't so nearly as much cardio as bodybuilders do today. In fact, for the handful who got super-ripped, some were actually penalized for that.

Diet is the same. Protein, Carbs, Fat. You can find multiple meal plans, ketogenic meal plans, etc.... in the old magazines.

Hardly. Most of these guys simply cut out the starches a few weeks out, which is really all the ketogenic diet is.


And here is where you really fuck up.  The natural freaks of the 40's, 50's were relatively much fatter than Hansen, etc...... But Hansen, etc...... are older, bigger, and leaner without help? And on top of that doing cardio? When did doing cardio make you bigger? What type of dark wizardry is afoot here?

Everyone knows that cardio makes naturals much smaller. It's the first thing any natural gripes about when dieting. But these guys are getting bigger and leaner than any other naturals before them by doing it?

Cardio does no such thing. The only thing that makes naturals (or not-so-naturals) smaller is EATING TOO LITTLE FOOD. Old-school bodybuilders hardly diet for 4 months at a time. And they certainly didn't have the nutritional supplements that are so common today to go along with their diets.


Four, training-wise, many of those old-timers trained with the three-days-a-week routines for years on end. Now, those routines are recommended for beginners. I did that for my first 9 months of training, about 23 years ago.

No, again, actually look at the old source materials, they did all types of training. Infact here is an old medical study based on old bodybuilders that shows a bunch of training schemes - http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2080112/pdf/brmedj03625-0025.pdf .

The training scheme compares weightlifters with bodybuilders. In fact, one of the paragraphs even states, Weight-lifters seldom start a work-out with as
many as ten repetitions; eight is usually the maximum, and
a proportion of lifters seldom exceed six repetitions. Generally,
weight-lifters tend to exercise more often than bodybuilders.
Five days a week is not uncommon, and more
rarely six or even seven. The body-builders believe that
alternate days of rest are essential for the anabolism of new
muscle tissue, whereas a weight-lifter can go on increasing
in strength without concomitant increase in bulk.


If the weightlifters are exercising five times a week, then how often are the bodybuilders training? Sounds to me like the typical THREE-TIMES-PER-WEEK training from back in the day.



If you want to be one of those crybabies who think he can't tie his shoe, without a syringe handy, knock yourself out.

And while, NO! I don't go around holding my junk (perhaps, you're projecting here), I am known as "Mr. Clearance Sale" on a couple of boards. Why not? A good deal of these supplements are good and, if you can get them dirt cheap, why not try them?

Oh, let me guess!! You're one of those rebels-without-a-cause/clue, who think there are evil supplement companies, hiding in the shadows, thinking of ways to take your pennies, shaking your fist with tuna can in the air in defiance.


No, I'm just smart enough to understand that all physical endeavors suffer after a certain a point/age. It happens in most physical hobbies.

And that remark about clearance sales,  GNC, etc...... was a shot mean to show how you are one of these nimrods attached to the notion that some pie in the sky supplement will make you better than superior lifters, half your age from 50 years ago instead of understanding that for the most part everyone ages, and that most(even the elite) do not get better with age after a point unless they hop on the spike.

P.S. You might want to check out HMB on your next GNC visit, I hear it feels like Deca.

Wrong again! I see supplements for what their are: SUPPLEMENTS to a sound diet. The only nimrod on here is folks like you, who apparently can't lift the toilet seat to go the bathroom, without a stack of Deca or Winstrol.



Title: Re: Mr. Natural Olympia - can someone explain
Post by: MCWAY on October 14, 2012, 09:05:45 PM
there needs to be LIFETIME NATURAL BB comps

and let getbiggers decide who is lifetime natural and who is not

there are no tests that can detect whether someone is lifetime natural

the only way is by the look

NATURAL BB IS A FILT LIE

There are (or at least, there used to be). If the ANBC still exists, they had a drug-free-for-life policy.

Most organizations require a drug-free status of at least three years. INBA has five years; the WNBF has seven.

BTW, how exactly are natural bodybuilders supposed to look?


Title: Re: Mr. Natural Olympia - can someone explain
Post by: Metabolic on October 14, 2012, 09:34:09 PM
There are kids in HIGH SCHOOL, who are leaner than guys in the 40s and 50s. These are men that did next to no cardio and didn't diet to get ripped at all.

Listen to what you just said. The old timers, many of them you assume were natural did high volume. Yet, high volume works against naturals of today? Make up your mind here. Volume is something you build up over time. And, if your diet and rest are sufficient, you can recover and grow from high-volume workouts, drugs or no drugs.

Hardly. Most of these guys simply cut out the starches a few weeks out, which is really all the ketogenic diet is.

Cardio does no such thing. The only thing that makes naturals (or not-so-naturals) smaller is EATING TOO LITTLE FOOD. Old-school bodybuilders hardly diet for 4 months at a time. And they certainly didn't have the nutritional supplements that are so common today to go along with their diets.

The training scheme compares weightlifters with bodybuilders. In fact, one of the paragraphs even states, Weight-lifters seldom start a work-out with as
many as ten repetitions; eight is usually the maximum, and
a proportion of lifters seldom exceed six repetitions. Generally,
weight-lifters tend to exercise more often than bodybuilders.
Five days a week is not uncommon, and more
rarely six or even seven. The body-builders believe that
alternate days of rest are essential for the anabolism of new
muscle tissue, whereas a weight-lifter can go on increasing
in strength without concomitant increase in bulk.


If the weightlifters are exercising five times a week, then how often are the bodybuilders training? Sounds to me like the typical THREE-TIMES-PER-WEEK training from back in the day.


Wrong again! I see supplements for what their are: SUPPLEMENTS to a sound diet. The only nimrod on here is folks like you, who apparently can't lift the toilet seat to go the bathroom, without a stack of Deca or Winstrol.



It is just incredible how infinitely stupid and blind people can be...or youre just one more of the pathological liars that will unconsciously defend his life style against anything.

Proof, as a mechanism of resolving conflicts is not about the truth, but about who can create conviction on the jury, its not about who is right or wrong, but about who can defend himself better.



Title: Re: Mr. Natural Olympia - can someone explain
Post by: BB on October 14, 2012, 09:57:25 PM
There are kids in HIGH SCHOOL, who are leaner than guys in the 40s and 50s. These are men that did next to no cardio and didn't diet to get ripped at all.

Yes, and they are:

a) Smaller.

b) On real drugs.

C) On Prohormones, etc......

Show me a natural teenager the size and leanness of any of the men listed before in this thread.

Listen to what you just said. The old timers, many of them you assume were natural did high volume. Yet, high volume works against naturals of today? Make up your mind here.

No, I make perfect sense. In the previous post you made it seem like they were all doing the same 5 x 5, 3x weekly lifting. Yet when you read the magazines you see that there was more variety than that. The only thing that your are partially right on, is that they favored a three day a week schedule, but the rep ranges, sets, exercises, intensity, etc...... all changed with different lifters.

I've add more to this in a separate post.  

Volume is something you build up over time. And, if your diet and rest are sufficient, you can recover and grow from high-volume workouts, drugs or no drugs.

Show me legitimate non-drugged strength athlete that can get away with using a ultra-high volume approach with any type of meaningful load for an extended period of time. You can't.

Hardly. Most of these guys simply cut out the starches a few weeks out, which is really all the ketogenic diet is.

Ok, even though I don't agree with this, I'll let you have it, just to make this point again -

Explain to me how these guys are dieting harder, doing cardio, and still managing to come in bigger and leaner than much younger men from just 50 - 60 years ago who didn't have to do such things?

Cardio does no such thing. The only thing that makes naturals (or not-so-naturals) smaller is EATING TOO LITTLE FOOD.

So fucking retarded it doesn't deserve a thoughtful answer.  Show me real world examples of this theory working.

Old-school bodybuilders hardly diet for 4 months at a time. And they certainly didn't have the nutritional supplements that are so common today to go along with their diets.

Ok, so again, explain to me how these guys are dieting harder, doing cardio, and still managing to come in bigger and leaner than much younger men from just 50 - 60 years ago who didn't have to do such things?

Oh, it must be the Creatines!

The training scheme compares weightlifters with bodybuilders. In fact, one of the paragraphs even states, Weight-lifters seldom start a work-out with as
many as ten repetitions; eight is usually the maximum, and
a proportion of lifters seldom exceed six repetitions. Generally,
weight-lifters tend to exercise more often than bodybuilders.
Five days a week is not uncommon, and more
rarely six or even seven. The body-builders believe that
alternate days of rest are essential for the anabolism of new
muscle tissue, whereas a weight-lifter can go on increasing
in strength without concomitant increase in bulk.


If the weightlifters are exercising five times a week, then how often are the bodybuilders training? Sounds to me like the typical THREE-TIMES-PER-WEEK training from back in the day.


Read the whole thing, you'll see that it shows different exercise selections, rep and load ranges, etc..... It even has ideas much like the fabled Weider Principles mentioned. It wasn't as simple as 5 x 5, three days a week as you made it seem in the other post. I'll mention this in a separate post.


Wrong again! I see supplements for what their are: SUPPLEMENTS to a sound diet. The only nimrod on here is folks like you, who apparently can't lift the toilet seat to go the bathroom, without a stack of Deca or Winstrol.

Keep believing that slugger while you wait for the GNC sales girl to put those near expired Cell Techs on the sale table.




Title: Re: Mr. Natural Olympia - can someone explain
Post by: Big Chiro Flex on October 14, 2012, 09:58:54 PM


BTW, how exactly are natural bodybuilders supposed to look?
This is exactly my point. Look at prison yard physiques of guys locked up for 10-20 years. There's some absolute BEASTS.  Look at some high school track athletes. Incredible genetics are all around us. Before I even knew about all the lying scumbags in bodybuilding, when I would see the natural pros, I believed their physiques were attainable just by comparing them to some of the examples I just mentioned. A lot of people in this thread dishing out statements and accusations like they are absolute truth when they really don't have proof...just a "suspicion". All I'm advocating is that there's a chance the accusations are false. Open your eyes, there's amazing physiques that can be built without drugs (not that there's anything wrong with that)

I wonder how many fellas have actually seen how big these pros are in real life compared to the naturals??? It's night and day. I'm not impressed enough with many of these self-proclaimed naturals to disbelieve them. They simply aren't that impressive to me compared to the freaks out there.


Title: Re: Mr. Natural Olympia - can someone explain
Post by: BB on October 14, 2012, 10:10:14 PM
A selection of compared lifter's writings on training from a few posts back. Here you'll see that there was actually some decent variation in lifting styles -

Bodybuilder:

Clarence Ross -

Training through the late 40's -

http://ditillo2.blogspot.com/2010/01/routines-i-have-used-clarence-ross.html .

John Farbotnik -

http://muscleandbrawn.com/forums/classic-lifters/7050-john-farbotnik-mr-america-1950-a.html .


Reg Park -

http://ditillo2.blogspot.com/2009/05/how-i-trained-reg-park.html .   

http://regpark.net/bb/index.php?PHPSESSID=a5bb936743da31dc565e2d8c28af475b&topic=1112.0 .

John Grimek -

Here he discusses all types of work out approaches -

http://ditillo2.blogspot.com/2008/02/is-heavy-training-best-john-grimek.html .

Jack Delinger -   

http://ditillo2.blogspot.com/2009/10/bulk-training-jack-delinger.html .

Steve Reeves -

He can't make up his mind, book says one thing, older mags say another -

http://www.wannabebig.com/forums/showthread.php?40966-steve-reeves-routine .


*Granted there are a few caveats here. A) That all listed were natural. If they weren't than that hurts the "x is natural" cause more. B) That they weren't extensively ghost written.


Title: Re: Mr. Natural Olympia - can someone explain
Post by: Natural_O on October 14, 2012, 10:20:36 PM
This blog explains the training program I followed this year to prepare for the Natural Mr. Universe -

http://www.ironmanmagazine.com/blogs/johnhansen/off-season-power-training/


Title: Re: Mr. Natural Olympia - can someone explain
Post by: MCWAY on October 15, 2012, 05:21:02 AM
This is exactly my point. Look at prison yard physiques of guys locked up for 10-20 years. There's some absolute BEASTS.  Look at some high school track athletes. Incredible genetics are all around us. Before I even knew about all the lying scumbags in bodybuilding, when I would see the natural pros, I believed their physiques were attainable just by comparing them to some of the examples I just mentioned. A lot of people in this thread dishing out statements and accusations like they are absolute truth when they really don't have proof...just a "suspicion". All I'm advocating is that there's a chance the accusations are false. Open your eyes, there's amazing physiques that can be built without drugs (not that there's anything wrong with that)

I wonder how many fellas have actually seen how big these pros are in real life compared to the naturals??? It's night and day. I'm not impressed enough with many of these self-proclaimed naturals to disbelieve them. They simply aren't that impressive to me compared to the freaks out there.

Well, that's not just limited to guys in prison obviously. But, you've stated what I've been saying from the start.


Title: Re: Mr. Natural Olympia - can someone explain
Post by: njflex on October 15, 2012, 09:17:00 AM
here's lies and i state 'lies',,in history ifbb just from 80's till now at least there has been only a handful and 'take it for there word'natural bbers's competing jean paul guillamme.mike ashley,f hilebrand when he came out , d farnsworth,bennfatto and whole tested mro 90 crew lol,,,that competed and placed no less in some big show's other than no one could stand on stage with any ifbb pro 212,open or such.


Title: Re: Mr. Natural Olympia - can someone explain
Post by: The Grim Lifter on October 15, 2012, 01:46:47 PM
here's lies and i state 'lies',,in history ifbb just from 80's till now at least there has been only a handful and 'take it for there word'natural bbers's competing jean paul guillamme.mike ashley,f hilebrand when he came out , d farnsworth,bennfatto and whole tested mro 90 crew lol,,,that competed and placed no less in some big show's other than no one could stand on stage with any ifbb pro 212,open or such.

Mike Ashley! You lost all credibility there


Title: Re: Mr. Natural Olympia - can someone explain
Post by: njflex on October 15, 2012, 03:26:59 PM
Mike Ashley! You lost all credibility there
i should have put a wink smile i was being facetious,,,,of course he and shawn ray finished 1st and 2nd in arnold classic ,,ray failed test ashley won ,,,he was as big as ray and hard ,,,impossible considering  ray was on enough crank to bulk up an ethiopian village...


Title: Re: Mr. Natural Olympia - can someone explain
Post by: the_swami on October 15, 2012, 06:51:24 PM
This is exactly my point. Look at prison yard physiques of guys locked up for 10-20 years. There's some absolute BEASTS.  Look at some high school track athletes. Incredible genetics are all around us. Before I even knew about all the lying scumbags in bodybuilding, when I would see the natural pros, I believed their physiques were attainable just by comparing them to some of the examples I just mentioned. A lot of people in this thread dishing out statements and accusations like they are absolute truth when they really don't have proof...just a "suspicion". All I'm advocating is that there's a chance the accusations are false. Open your eyes, there's amazing physiques that can be built without drugs (not that there's anything wrong with that)

I wonder how many fellas have actually seen how big these pros are in real life compared to the naturals??? It's night and day. I'm not impressed enough with many of these self-proclaimed naturals to disbelieve them. They simply aren't that impressive to me compared to the freaks out there.

steroids make it into jail too, just like other drugs


Title: Re: Mr. Natural Olympia - can someone explain
Post by: Big Chiro Flex on October 15, 2012, 06:53:26 PM
steroids make it into jail too, just like other drugs
I've heard a few Dbol tabs here and there, but I've heard that's extremely rare and that it's mostly narcotics. Do you have other information brother?


Title: Re: Mr. Natural Olympia - can someone explain
Post by: Figo on October 15, 2012, 11:54:28 PM
I've heard a few Dbol tabs here and there, but I've heard that's extremely rare and that it's mostly narcotics. Do you have other information brother?

Any drugs in jail, as long as you have  money or a way to pay. Rec, PED.


Title: Re: Mr. Natural Olympia - can someone explain
Post by: Figo on October 15, 2012, 11:59:50 PM
here's lies and i state 'lies',,in history ifbb just from 80's till now at least there has been only a handful and 'take it for there word'natural bbers's competing jean paul guillamme.mike ashley,f hilebrand when he came out , d farnsworth,bennfatto and whole tested mro 90 crew lol,,,that competed and placed no less in some big show's other than no one could stand on stage with any ifbb pro 212,open or such.

Luiz freitas, francois gay, darrem charles, ron alcatraz coleman, there were many others I can't recall

Also in late 70s, early 80s coe and tinnerino, steve davis all had their nattie phases

Fucking franco said he never used steroids until after he won the Mr O...


Title: Re: Mr. Natural Olympia - can someone explain
Post by: GoneAway on October 16, 2012, 12:06:11 AM
Difference is that Franco looks like a drug user. Darrem kind of did and most likely was. John Hansen built a big base of muscle very early on in his life. Either he was on steroids way back in the 70s/80s or he just has a great ability to build muscle (mesomorph), combined with being a 100% dedicated bodybuilder. It's possible.


Title: Re: Mr. Natural Olympia - can someone explain
Post by: BigCyp on October 16, 2012, 01:00:45 AM
This is exactly my point. Look at prison yard physiques of guys locked up for 10-20 years. There's some absolute BEASTS.  Look at some high school track athletes. Incredible genetics are all around us. Before I even knew about all the lying scumbags in bodybuilding, when I would see the natural pros, I believed their physiques were attainable just by comparing them to some of the examples I just mentioned. A lot of people in this thread dishing out statements and accusations like they are absolute truth when they really don't have proof...just a "suspicion". All I'm advocating is that there's a chance the accusations are false. Open your eyes, there's amazing physiques that can be built without drugs (not that there's anything wrong with that)

I wonder how many fellas have actually seen how big these pros are in real life compared to the naturals??? It's night and day. I'm not impressed enough with many of these self-proclaimed naturals to disbelieve them. They simply aren't that impressive to me compared to the freaks out there.

Lol @ prison yard physiques. You do know that you can get uranium in jail in you really need it come on man. I had a buddy who came out of jail after a 2 stretch, and he told me he'd been working out on creatine and 2000 kcals a day but he had obviously been on a shitload of dbol because he's never lifted in his life before he was inside, but magically after creatine, and 7 workouts a week for 6 months he's benching 3 plates a side for 6 reps haha I literally laughed in his face and called him moonman for about a month his face was so round.

Seriously, most of the 'inspirational physiques' we see that give naturals 'hope' that they can get bigger without gear are liars.


Title: Re: Mr. Natural Olympia - can someone explain
Post by: BB on October 16, 2012, 01:07:29 AM
Any drugs in jail, as long as you have  money or a way to pay. Rec, PED.

Also with prison lifters, putting aside steroid use in jail, is that many times it's a case of "he looks great standing alone".

Many guys in prison look loads better than your average gym rat, but if you put them next to mid-level or better, stage ready bodybuilders, most would look small, bloated, etc.....


Title: Re: Mr. Natural Olympia - can someone explain
Post by: THEBOSS on October 16, 2012, 01:17:37 AM
 ::)  Its total bullshit . Thats the explanation .


Title: Re: Mr. Natural Olympia - can someone explain
Post by: Figo on October 16, 2012, 03:34:07 AM
he just has a great ability to build muscle (mesomorph), combined with being a 100% dedicated bodybuilder. It's possible.

No

No its not

Even the most genetically gifted guys that were sensations as teens, nevermind late 40s, would NOT be able to hold that much muscle. Guys like ray, priest, robinson, gaspari, di mora.

No


Title: Re: Mr. Natural Olympia - can someone explain
Post by: Figo on October 16, 2012, 03:47:10 AM
::)  Its total bullshit . Thats the explanation .

Yet we're still debating it for 10 pages like its plausible

Decades of brainwashing magazine propaganda is to blame. And sites like IA where its common knowledge everyone back in the day had morals and they just worked harder.

Because lying, stealing, cheating, drug using, prostituting, drug-peddling bbers are a new phenomenon.

The mentzers, viator, birdsong for example, were all meth addicts, ken sprague was a gay porn star, and yet these people and their contemporaries say something, so it must be true.
Then when bbing became dirty and immoral, the natural movement became the new moral beacon. But they're not even natural, they're a bunch of guys that took as much or more as anyone else, but due to shit genes can't make it, so took easy route by decreasing dosage and using less androgenic hormones, and becoming natural.
But they're not actually cheating, because all the other naturals are also using, and only 5% of the stupid or uninformed compete clean, they're usually to be found in last place.

And the tests. Come on...


Title: Re: Mr. Natural Olympia - can someone explain
Post by: Natural_O on October 16, 2012, 07:01:00 AM
Yet we're still debating it for 10 pages like its plausible

Decades of brainwashing magazine propaganda is to blame. And sites like IA where its common knowledge everyone back in the day had morals and they just worked harder.

Because lying, stealing, cheating, drug using, prostituting, drug-peddling bbers are a new phenomenon.

The mentzers, viator, birdsong for example, were all meth addicts, ken sprague was a gay porn star, and yet these people and their contemporaries say something, so it must be true.
Then when bbing became dirty and immoral, the natural movement became the new moral beacon. But they're not even natural, they're a bunch of guys that took as much or more as anyone else, but due to shit genes can't make it, so took easy route by decreasing dosage and using less androgenic hormones, and becoming natural.
But they're not actually cheating, because all the other naturals are also using, and only 5% of the stupid or uninformed compete clean, they're usually to be found in last place.

And the tests. Come on...


I agree that there are no perfect tests out there but you could say the same thing about the Olympics. The idea behind natural contests is that the majority of the competitors will be clean. I don't think it's 95% who are cheating. It's probably the opposite, about 10% might be cheating and everyone else is clean. The organization I compete in fails competitors every year for cheating. At the Natural Universe show I just competed in, someone failed the test. All you can do is do your best naturally and hope that everyone else does the same. If they cheat, you hope they get caught. If the organization isn't doing all it can to catch the cheaters, then you move onto another organization. There are a lot of bodybuilders out there who want to push themselves naturally and see how good they can develop their physiques without taking drugs. It's definitely not 95% of the competitors are cheating. That's way off.


Title: Re: Mr. Natural Olympia - can someone explain
Post by: Jaime on October 16, 2012, 07:07:30 AM
I agree that there are no perfect tests out there but you could say the same thing about the Olympics. The idea behind natural contests is that the majority of the competitors will be clean. I don't think it's 95% who are cheating. It's probably the opposite, about 10% might be cheating and everyone else is clean. The organization I compete in fails competitors every year for cheating. At the Natural Universe show I just competed in, someone failed the test. All you can do is do your best naturally and hope that everyone else does the same. If they cheat, you hope they get caught. If the organization isn't doing all it can to catch the cheaters, then you move onto another organization. There are a lot of bodybuilders out there who want to push themselves naturally and see how good they can develop their physiques without taking drugs. It's definitely not 95% of the competitors are cheating. That's way off.


What's the point in competing in an event that only about ten people in the world compete in?

Seems like a waste of time, it's an even more pointless endeavour than pro bodybuilding, at least more than a hand full of people actually compete in it.



Title: Re: Mr. Natural Olympia - can someone explain
Post by: Natural_O on October 16, 2012, 07:22:19 AM

What's the point in competing in an event that only about ten people in the world compete in?

Seems like a waste of time, it's an even more pointless endeavour than pro bodybuilding, at least more than a hand full of people actually compete in it.



The whole idea of competition is to push yourself to look better and be the best you can. You can train hard and diet just for
yourself but you'll never push yourself as hard unless you have a contest to be ready for on a certain date. Most bodybuilders
aren't doing this for the money! Back in the day, before there was professional bodybuilding, bodybuilders just competed for
themselves. We, as competitors, can't control how many people are in a show or what they will look like. You can only control
what condition you come into, everything else is out of our hands.


Title: Re: Mr. Natural Olympia - can someone explain
Post by: Figo on October 16, 2012, 03:46:49 PM
lmfao, i know for an absolute certain fact that francois gay wasnt a natural.

No! He had to be, he was on natural bbing magazine covers!

Plus, he had an honest face, so I believe him. (No homo)




Title: Re: Mr. Natural Olympia - can someone explain
Post by: Metabolic on October 16, 2012, 05:07:43 PM
Difference is that Franco looks like a drug user. Darrem kind of did and most likely was. John Hansen built a big base of muscle very early on in his life. Either he was on steroids way back in the 70s/80s or he just has a great ability to build muscle (mesomorph), combined with being a 100% dedicated bodybuilder. It's possible.

The fact that you resort to sometotypes should be reason enough to dismiss this dumbass post.