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Title: Sample Diet and Drug Protocol for Growth
Post by: BFG on October 09, 2012, 05:32:49 AM
The following is a sample diet and drug protocol that anybody can follow. This will not make you pro or national level size, that is mostly dictated by genetics but even someone with the worst muscle building genes should "explode" on such a protocol.

Just to note: for those that keep the permanent blinders on, this is completely unhealthy and dangerous - much like bodybuilding in general.

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Drugs:
1,000 - 2,000mg testosterone per week
800 - 1200mg deca per week
50 - 100mg dbol taken on workout days only, pre workout
100mg TNE pre workout
10iu (at least) hGH
15iu insulin taken twice per day

insulin and hgh protocol:
insulin shot immediately upon waking followed by breakfast
insulin shot prior to training (immediately or 90 mins prior depending on humulin-r or log)
take entire dosage of hgh all at once either IM or IV immediately post workout

Diet: (not including pre, intra and post workout eating)
1. 8oz lean ground beef, 2 cup oats, 1 gatorade
2. 100g whey, 50g oats, 2 tbsp PB
3. 8oz lean ground beef, 2 sweet potatoes
4. 100g whey, 50g oats, 2 tbsp PB
5. 8oz lean ground beef, 2 sweet potatoes
6. (before bed) 100g whey, 1 cup whole milk, 2 tbsp PB

Pre workout protocol:
inject TNE and consume or inject dbol 90 mins pre workout
inject humulin-R 90 mins pre workout
eat a pre workout meal of 8-16oz chicken and 2 sweet potatoes
immediately pre workout have 25-50g dextrose
intra workout drink 50g dextrose, 25g whey protein, bcaa's, creatine monohydrate
immediately post workout IV or IM entire day's hgh dose
20-30 mins post hgh inject, have a shake of 100g whey and 50g dextrose
90 mins post hgh inject, eat a meal of 8-16oz chicken and 1 cup rice


Title: Re: Sample Diet and Drug Protocol for Growth
Post by: Figo on October 09, 2012, 05:44:09 AM
Amazing


Title: Re: Sample Diet and Drug Protocol for Growth
Post by: dj181 on October 09, 2012, 06:08:39 AM
how many daily cals is that?


Title: Re: Sample Diet and Drug Protocol for Growth
Post by: Gosling31977 on October 09, 2012, 06:12:36 AM
Good Stuff, ive ran similar minus the slin and hgh.


Title: Re: Sample Diet and Drug Protocol for Growth
Post by: Schmoff on October 09, 2012, 06:14:33 AM
 ::) ::) ::) ::)


Title: Re: Sample Diet and Drug Protocol for Growth
Post by: deceiver on October 09, 2012, 06:18:22 AM
who the fuck needs 6 meals, 4 is plenty


Title: Re: Sample Diet and Drug Protocol for Growth
Post by: The Wizard of Truth on October 09, 2012, 07:19:12 AM
Thanks again man


Title: Re: Sample Diet and Drug Protocol for Growth
Post by: dj181 on October 09, 2012, 07:25:05 AM
who the fuck needs 6 meals, 4 is plenty

it's just a brainwash by the supp companies to dupe people into buying their supps $$$$$$$$$$$$$


Title: Re: Sample Diet and Drug Protocol for Growth
Post by: bigmikecox on October 09, 2012, 07:26:35 AM
Take the TNE just on training days?


Title: Re: Sample Diet and Drug Protocol for Growth
Post by: BFG on October 09, 2012, 08:47:14 AM
Yes, take the TNE and orals only on workout days.

Start with: 1,000mg testosterone, 800mg deca base + 100mg TNE, 50mg dbol pre workout
When you hit a plateau of weight gain increase to 1500mg test, 1000mg deca + 150mg TNE, 75mg dbol
When you hit another plateau increase to 2000mg test, 1200mg deca + 200mg TNE, 100mg dbol
When you plateau after this drop down to 1000mg test, no slin, no gh, nothing else for a few weeks then go back up but this time top out at 2500mg test, 1200mg deca and start adding eq at 1,000mg. Also add anadrol at 50mg up to 100mg in addition to the dbol. Same concept, hit a plateau and drop down to 1 gram test cruise. By the 3rd blast test should peak at 3 grams and start adding insulin to a 1-2 extra meals.



Title: Re: Sample Diet and Drug Protocol for Growth
Post by: bigmikecox on October 09, 2012, 09:03:34 AM
Where do you shoot al of this?  My side delts, rear delts and glutes have enough scar tissue.

Should i start hitting triceps and calves?


Title: Re: Sample Diet and Drug Protocol for Growth
Post by: Tito24 on October 09, 2012, 09:04:44 AM
(http://imgs.abduzeedo.com/files/paul0v2/ten-rupees/tr-18.jpg)


Title: Re: Sample Diet and Drug Protocol for Growth
Post by: BFG on October 09, 2012, 09:07:33 AM
quads hold 3-4 sites each. many put 4-5cc's at a time in each VG. medial delts have two sites (similar to charles glass' shooting esiclene in a "T" shape of spots on flex wheeler's delts). rear delts. biceps hold 4 sites each arm. triceps. calves. pecs. traps. lats.


Title: Re: Sample Diet and Drug Protocol for Growth
Post by: bigmikecox on October 09, 2012, 09:15:42 AM
quads hold 3-4 sites each. many put 4-5cc's at a time in each VG. medial delts have two sites (similar to charles glass' shooting esiclene in a "T" shape of spots on flex wheeler's delts). rear delts. biceps hold 4 sites each arm. triceps. calves. pecs. traps. lats.

Damn! I need to hire me a guru. Im doing baby cycles


Title: Re: Sample Diet and Drug Protocol for Growth
Post by: WOOO on October 09, 2012, 09:22:09 AM
ridiculous


Title: Re: Sample Diet and Drug Protocol for Growth
Post by: Frank Clairmonte on October 09, 2012, 09:45:24 AM
injecting insulin with empty stomach before breakfast? ??? ??? ???


Title: Re: Sample Diet and Drug Protocol for Growth
Post by: Wiggs on October 09, 2012, 10:02:42 AM
Thanks BFG.  Good as usual.  I'm glad I chilled on all these PEDs.


Title: Re: Sample Diet and Drug Protocol for Growth
Post by: tbombz on October 09, 2012, 10:18:50 AM
OMG! NOW THAT IVE READ BFG'S CYCLE, IM GOING TO BE SO HUGE! THANK YOU BFG, YOUR INPUT JUST MADE ME A BETTER BODYBUILDER INSTANTLY! WOW! I WOULD HAVE NEVER THOUGHT TO USE MASSIVE AMOUNTS OF ALL KINDS OF DRUGS IN ORDER TO MAX OUT MY MUSCLE SIZE! JUST MINDBLOWING INFORMATION! I CANT IMAGINE HOW MANY GETBIG MEMBERS WILL NOW LOOK LIKE KAI GREENE AFTER READING THAT!!   :o    :o    :o


Title: Re: Sample Diet and Drug Protocol for Growth
Post by: Wiggs on October 09, 2012, 10:20:58 AM
OMG! NOW THAT IVE READ BFG'S CYCLE, IM GOING TO BE SO HUGE! THANK YOU BFG, YOUR INPUT JUST MADE ME A BETTER BODYBUILDER INSTANTLY! WOW! I WOULD HAVE NEVER THOUGHT TO USE MASSIVE AMOUNTS OF ALL KINDS OF DRUGS IN ORDER TO MAX OUT MY MUSCLE SIZE! JUST MINDBLOWING INFORMATION! I CANT IMAGINE HOW MANY GETBIG MEMBERS WILL NOW LOOK LIKE KAI GREENE AFTER READING THAT!!   :o    :o    :o

That's why you look so incredible now right?

You're a morally and intellectually impotent mess.


Title: Re: Sample Diet and Drug Protocol for Growth
Post by: Irongrip400 on October 09, 2012, 10:21:25 AM
Sounds easy, take a lot of gear, get big.


Title: Re: Sample Diet and Drug Protocol for Growth
Post by: bigmikecox on October 09, 2012, 10:24:25 AM
Sounds easy, take a lot of gear, get big.

Its just the non stop injecting.


Title: Re: Sample Diet and Drug Protocol for Growth
Post by: Tito24 on October 09, 2012, 10:37:11 AM
getting big is no rocket science. they may present it like that, but its not.


Title: Re: Sample Diet and Drug Protocol for Growth
Post by: tbombz on October 09, 2012, 10:45:00 AM
That's why you look so incredible now right?

You're a morally and intellectually impotent mess.
dude, i had never read bfg's post !! how in the fuck could i possibly look incredible if i hadnt read bfg's post ??!!??  but now that i have this holy grail at my finger tips, WATCH OUT WORLD!!!   :o  tbombz coming at you in full effect !!


Title: Re: Sample Diet and Drug Protocol for Growth
Post by: Wiggs on October 09, 2012, 10:46:51 AM
dude, i had never read bfg's post !! how in the fuck could i possibly look incredible if i hadnt read bfg's post ??!!??  but now that i have this holy grail at my finger tips, WATCH OUT WORLD!!!   :o  tbombz coming at you in full effect !!

exactly, avoid the question.


Title: Re: Sample Diet and Drug Protocol for Growth
Post by: BFG on October 09, 2012, 10:46:54 AM
Its just the non stop injecting.

yes it is and it is mentally very trying.

let me put something in perspective: this setup is mild. contest prep at the national and pro level is a nightmare, because it is chemical warfare on your own body and you are ultimately faced with the decision of feeling like you are killing yourself or losing which is a major blow to both ego and the body dysmorphia that the steroid abuse ironically exacerbated. sitting in a toilet stall, in the bathroom backstage of a show, with 5+ fully loaded needles mixed with esiclene - which hurts more than any other injection by a mile and various steroids and having to inject your biceps, traps, rear delts, medial delts, upper chest...it isn't fun and sometimes the only thing that makes it a bit easier is nubain, or oxy, etc. thats where it leads for many.

contest prep at the highest levels can get very dark as a result of this...levrone came close to suicide a few times during prep. nasser would sit in his hotel room covered in blood, grinding his teeth while each muscle of his back was hit with esiclene to try to make his weakest body part look better next to his peers. charles glass would help flex put cc's of carrier oils in each head of his biceps with a 1.5'' 18 gauge and inject 4 sites on each delt with esiclene pre contest.





Title: Re: Sample Diet and Drug Protocol for Growth
Post by: tbombz on October 09, 2012, 10:48:06 AM
exactly, avoid the question.
if you want to compare physiques..  ;D ...  ;D  ...  ;D


Title: Re: Sample Diet and Drug Protocol for Growth
Post by: bigmikecox on October 09, 2012, 10:48:35 AM
yes it is and it is mentally very trying.

let me put something in perspective: this setup is mild. contest prep at the national and pro level is a nightmare, because it is chemical warfare on your own body and you are ultimately faced with the decision of feeling like you are killing yourself or losing which is a major blow to both ego and the body dysmorphia that the steroid abuse ironically exacerbated. sitting in a toilet stall, in the bathroom backstage of a show, with 5+ fully loaded needles mixed with esiclene - which hurts more than any other injection by a mile and various steroids and having to inject your biceps, traps, rear delts, medial delts, upper chest...it isn't fun and sometimes the only thing that makes it a bit easier is nubain, or oxy, etc. thats where it leads for many.

contest prep at the highest levels can get very dark as a result of this...levrone came close to suicide a few times during prep. nasser would sit in his hotel room covered in blood, grinding his teeth while each muscle of his back was hit with esiclene to try to make his weakest body part look better next to his peers. charles glass would help flex put cc's of carrier oils in each head of his biceps with a 1.5'' 18 gauge and inject 4 sites on each delt with esiclene pre contest.





Good post


Title: Re: Sample Diet and Drug Protocol for Growth
Post by: Wiggs on October 09, 2012, 10:51:49 AM
if you want to compare physiques..  ;D ...  ;D  ...  ;D

Sure, give me 6 months on drugs, I'd make you look like you never touched a weight...You're a natural fatass. I had to be lazy to be fat when I was a fatass.


Like I said, avoid the question...Keep advocating your nonsensical steroid theories that gets you minimal results...You're solid proof.


Title: Re: Sample Diet and Drug Protocol for Growth
Post by: bigmikecox on October 09, 2012, 11:03:02 AM
I think im going to go all out for two contests next year. Time to man up


Title: Re: Sample Diet and Drug Protocol for Growth
Post by: Wiggs on October 09, 2012, 11:06:37 AM
yes it is and it is mentally very trying.

let me put something in perspective: this setup is mild. contest prep at the national and pro level is a nightmare, because it is chemical warfare on your own body and you are ultimately faced with the decision of feeling like you are killing yourself or losing which is a major blow to both ego and the body dysmorphia that the steroid abuse ironically exacerbated. sitting in a toilet stall, in the bathroom backstage of a show, with 5+ fully loaded needles mixed with esiclene - which hurts more than any other injection by a mile and various steroids and having to inject your biceps, traps, rear delts, medial delts, upper chest...it isn't fun and sometimes the only thing that makes it a bit easier is nubain, or oxy, etc. thats where it leads for many.

contest prep at the highest levels can get very dark as a result of this...levrone came close to suicide a few times during prep. nasser would sit in his hotel room covered in blood, grinding his teeth while each muscle of his back was hit with esiclene to try to make his weakest body part look better next to his peers. charles glass would help flex put cc's of carrier oils in each head of his biceps with a 1.5'' 18 gauge and inject 4 sites on each delt with esiclene pre contest.





Sweet Jeebus :-X :-X :-X


Title: Re: Sample Diet and Drug Protocol for Growth
Post by: tbombz on October 09, 2012, 11:11:18 AM
Sure, give me 6 months on drugs, I'd make you look like you never touched a weight...You're a natural fatass. I had to be lazy to be fat when I was a fatass.


Like I said, avoid the question...Keep advocating your nonsensical steroid theories that gets you minimal results...You're solid proof.
LOL  ;D  

1) when i was fat, it was because i ate more food in a day than you could eat in a week and i had been eating that way since i was 5 years old. plus, i never did ANY kid of physical activity.

2) i went from fat to fit naturally  and at 16 years old and natural i had more muscle than you have ever had.

3) i havent used any drugs for 6 months and with 6 months of drug use under your belt you still wouldnt look like i do now

4) you HAVE used drugs, and LOTS of them. you talked about using them on this board.  and you never looked like you ever even lifted weights.  ;D

5) i have steroid theories ?  ;D really  ;D   .. as far as i know, all i say on the subject is to try all of them and find the ones that work best for you and then use a bunch of it   :-*   :-*



all in all.....     ;D    ;D    ;D


Title: Re: Sample Diet and Drug Protocol for Growth
Post by: irishdave on October 09, 2012, 11:13:05 AM
great post, bfg


Title: Re: Sample Diet and Drug Protocol for Growth
Post by: Wiggs on October 09, 2012, 11:27:39 AM
LOL  ;D  

1) when i was fat, it was because i ate more food in a day than you could eat in a week and i had been eating that way since i was 5 years old. plus, i never did ANY kid of physical activity.

2) i went from fat to fit naturally  and at 16 years old and natural i had more muscle than you have ever had.

3) i havent used any drugs for 6 months and with 6 months of drug use under your belt you still wouldnt look like i do now

4) you HAVE used drugs, and LOTS of them. you talked about using them on this board.  and you never looked like you ever even lifted weights.  ;D

5) i have steroid theories ?  ;D really  ;D   .. as far as i know, all i say on the subject is to try all of them and find the ones that work best for you and then use a bunch of it   :-*   :-*



all in all.....     ;D    ;D    ;D

You were fat, cause you have shitty genetics and no self control. You traded the food for drugs and men.

You're right, I'd look better.

I've used lots of drugs?  Ok Columbo, look back in my posts and show me that.  I've never used lots of drugs.

Yes, you've advocated your BS plenty of time before...

You look like shit....On Drugs.  There have been zero improvements since you've been in shape.

People are laughing at you...not with you Tay-Tay.


Title: Re: Sample Diet and Drug Protocol for Growth
Post by: Raymondo on October 09, 2012, 11:44:00 AM
LOL  ;D   

1) when i was fat, it was because i ate more food in a day than you could eat in a week and i had been eating that way since i was 5 years old. plus, i never did ANY kid of physical activity.

2) i went from fat to fit naturally  and at 16 years old and natural i had more muscle than you have ever had.

3) i havent used any drugs for 6 months and with 6 months of drug use under your belt you still wouldnt look like i do now

4) you HAVE used drugs, and LOTS of them. you talked about using them on this board.  and you never looked like you ever even lifted weights.  ;D

5) i have steroid theories ?  ;D really  ;D   .. as far as i know, all i say on the subject is to try all of them and find the ones that work best for you and then use a bunch of it   :-*   :-*



all in all.....     ;D    ;D    ;D

Wiggs posted pictures from when he was a teenager and he was in much better shape natural than you are now and ever were

hope this helps


Title: Re: Sample Diet and Drug Protocol for Growth
Post by: Van_Bilderass on October 09, 2012, 11:51:32 AM
Was it Wiggs who started a heavy ass stack a while back, some sort of comeback, and then quickly stopped for some reason?

What's stupid is person X saying they would look like this, be this big on a certain stack or say someone else looks like shit considering the "absurd" amount of drugs they do... worst is naturals saying this... they have no idea how they themselves would look until they try it out in real life.


Title: Re: Sample Diet and Drug Protocol for Growth
Post by: dj181 on October 09, 2012, 11:55:20 AM
Was it Wiggs who started a heavy ass stack a while back, some sort of comeback, and then quickly stopped for some reason?

What's stupid is person X saying they would look like this, be this big on a certain stack or say someone else looks like shit considering the "absurd" amount of drugs they do... worst is naturals saying this... they have no idea how they themselves would look until they try it out in real life.

this, and you must take into account other factors such as joint size, limb and torso length, and one's general frame/structure


Title: Re: Sample Diet and Drug Protocol for Growth
Post by: NEXUS 6 on October 09, 2012, 12:00:13 PM
this, and you must take into account other factors such as joint size, limb and torso length, and one's general frame/structure

how about starting another training "blog" if you're such an expert 

http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=368752.0 (http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=368752.0)

LOL


Title: Re: Sample Diet and Drug Protocol for Growth
Post by: The_Iron_Disciple on October 09, 2012, 12:22:38 PM
yes it is and it is mentally very trying.

let me put something in perspective: this setup is mild. contest prep at the national and pro level is a nightmare, because it is chemical warfare on your own body and you are ultimately faced with the decision of feeling like you are killing yourself or losing which is a major blow to both ego and the body dysmorphia that the steroid abuse ironically exacerbated. sitting in a toilet stall, in the bathroom backstage of a show, with 5+ fully loaded needles mixed with esiclene - which hurts more than any other injection by a mile and various steroids and having to inject your biceps, traps, rear delts, medial delts, upper chest...it isn't fun and sometimes the only thing that makes it a bit easier is nubain, or oxy, etc. thats where it leads for many.

contest prep at the highest levels can get very dark as a result of this...levrone came close to suicide a few times during prep. nasser would sit in his hotel room covered in blood, grinding his teeth while each muscle of his back was hit with esiclene to try to make his weakest body part look better next to his peers. charles glass would help flex put cc's of carrier oils in each head of his biceps with a 1.5'' 18 gauge and inject 4 sites on each delt with esiclene pre contest.






LORD GOD !!!


Title: Re: Sample Diet and Drug Protocol for Growth
Post by: irishdave on October 09, 2012, 12:25:30 PM
BFG tell us more pro stories it's interesting as hell. Where did Levrone say he nearly killed himself?


Title: Re: Sample Diet and Drug Protocol for Growth
Post by: Croatch on October 09, 2012, 12:44:04 PM
yes it is and it is mentally very trying.

let me put something in perspective: this setup is mild. contest prep at the national and pro level is a nightmare, because it is chemical warfare on your own body and you are ultimately faced with the decision of feeling like you are killing yourself or losing which is a major blow to both ego and the body dysmorphia that the steroid abuse ironically exacerbated. sitting in a toilet stall, in the bathroom backstage of a show, with 5+ fully loaded needles mixed with esiclene - which hurts more than any other injection by a mile and various steroids and having to inject your biceps, traps, rear delts, medial delts, upper chest...it isn't fun and sometimes the only thing that makes it a bit easier is nubain, or oxy, etc. thats where it leads for many.

contest prep at the highest levels can get very dark as a result of this...levrone came close to suicide a few times during prep. nasser would sit in his hotel room covered in blood, grinding his teeth while each muscle of his back was hit with esiclene to try to make his weakest body part look better next to his peers. charles glass would help flex put cc's of carrier oils in each head of his biceps with a 1.5'' 18 gauge and inject 4 sites on each delt with esiclene pre contest.
What a honorable sport these athletes warriorsabusers partake in.  Go tell the average person what you take to look that way...see how impressed they are...genetics or not.
How someone like Branch Warren isn't dead yet, is quite surprising.


Title: Re: Sample Diet and Drug Protocol for Growth
Post by: JoeBelushi88 on October 09, 2012, 12:51:03 PM
so that's why so many bodybuilders are hooked on painkillers, because they pin themselves 24/7 the PIP must be terrible....


Title: Re: Sample Diet and Drug Protocol for Growth
Post by: The_Iron_Disciple on October 09, 2012, 12:53:37 PM
Had heard of some crazy shit involving Levrone, whiskey pre-contest, and toy soldiers. Hahahaha. Not sure if it's true though. Would be f'in hilarious if it was ! Hahahaha !


Title: Re: Sample Diet and Drug Protocol for Growth
Post by: Wiggs on October 09, 2012, 12:57:38 PM
Had heard of some crazy shit involving Levrone, whiskey pre-contest, and toy soldiers. Hahahaha. Not sure if it's true though. Would be f'in hilarious if it was ! Hahahaha !

Toy soldiers?


Title: Re: Sample Diet and Drug Protocol for Growth
Post by: JoeBelushi88 on October 09, 2012, 01:02:52 PM
Had heard of some crazy shit involving Levrone, whiskey pre-contest, and toy soldiers. Hahahaha. Not sure if it's true though. Would be f'in hilarious if it was ! Hahahaha !

jack daniels for vascularity and hardness....


Title: Re: Sample Diet and Drug Protocol for Growth
Post by: Moen on October 09, 2012, 01:51:58 PM
What a honorable sport these athletes warriorsabusers partake in.  Go tell the average person what you take to look that way...see how impressed they are...genetics or not.
How someone like Branch Warren isn't dead yet, is quite surprising.

To be honest, it's surprising even without all the bodybuilding drugs. I'm still wondering how Branch has managed to not kill himself up until now. Can't be easy for a caveman living in modern, more complicated times.


Title: Re: Sample Diet and Drug Protocol for Growth
Post by: Moen on October 09, 2012, 01:54:40 PM
yes it is and it is mentally very trying.

let me put something in perspective: this setup is mild. contest prep at the national and pro level is a nightmare, because it is chemical warfare on your own body and you are ultimately faced with the decision of feeling like you are killing yourself or losing which is a major blow to both ego and the body dysmorphia that the steroid abuse ironically exacerbated. sitting in a toilet stall, in the bathroom backstage of a show, with 5+ fully loaded needles mixed with esiclene - which hurts more than any other injection by a mile and various steroids and having to inject your biceps, traps, rear delts, medial delts, upper chest...it isn't fun and sometimes the only thing that makes it a bit easier is nubain, or oxy, etc. thats where it leads for many.

contest prep at the highest levels can get very dark as a result of this...levrone came close to suicide a few times during prep. nasser would sit in his hotel room covered in blood, grinding his teeth while each muscle of his back was hit with esiclene to try to make his weakest body part look better next to his peers. charles glass would help flex put cc's of carrier oils in each head of his biceps with a 1.5'' 18 gauge and inject 4 sites on each delt with esiclene pre contest.





In a toilet stall backstage? Jesus! Why couldn't they just do the Esiclene injections at home or in their hotel rooms?


Title: Re: Sample Diet and Drug Protocol for Growth
Post by: Hulkotron on October 09, 2012, 02:14:25 PM
What's a "toy soldier" ???

Is esiclene use still common in today's pro athletes?


Title: Re: Sample Diet and Drug Protocol for Growth
Post by: JoeBelushi88 on October 09, 2012, 02:35:24 PM
What's a "toy soldier" ???

Is esiclene use still common in today's pro athletes?

Sure is, so isn't synthol...


Title: Re: Sample Diet and Drug Protocol for Growth
Post by: tommywishbone on October 09, 2012, 02:55:04 PM
Drugs:
1,000 - 2,000mg testosterone per week
800 - 1200mg deca per week
50 - 100mg dbol taken on workout days only, pre workout
100mg TNE pre workout
10iu (at least) hGH
15iu insulin taken twice per day

insulin and hgh protocol:
insulin shot immediately upon waking followed by breakfast
insulin shot prior to training (immediately or 90 mins prior depending on humulin-r or log)
take entire dosage of hgh all at once either IM or IV immediately post workout



I've seen guys get huge on a fraction of this. Totally unnecessary dosages.


Title: Re: Sample Diet and Drug Protocol for Growth
Post by: Wolfsanglerune on October 09, 2012, 04:01:43 PM
the "toy soldier"reference has to do with the story that levrone was seen playing with toy soldiers in his dressing room or something.


Title: Re: Sample Diet and Drug Protocol for Growth
Post by: tbombz on October 09, 2012, 05:06:19 PM
You were fat, cause you have shitty genetics and no self control. You traded the food for drugs and men.

You're right, I'd look better.

I've used lots of drugs?  Ok Columbo, look back in my posts and show me that.  I've never used lots of drugs.

Yes, you've advocated your BS plenty of time before...

You look like shit....On Drugs.  There have been zero improvements since you've been in shape.

People are laughing at you...not with you Tay-Tay.

 ;D

OKAY

Wiggs posted pictures from when he was a teenager and he was in much better shape natural than you are now and ever were

hope this helps
i remember those pictures, he was a skinny little black kid. maybe leaner than ive been but i had more muscle and about the same bodyfat % at 17  :-*

Was it Wiggs who started a heavy ass stack a while back, some sort of comeback, and then quickly stopped for some reason?

What's stupid is person X saying they would look like this, be this big on a certain stack or say someone else looks like shit considering the "absurd" amount of drugs they do... worst is naturals saying this... they have no idea how they themselves would look until they try it out in real life.
yup, that was wiggs all right.  ;D


Title: Re: Sample Diet and Drug Protocol for Growth
Post by: The_Iron_Disciple on October 09, 2012, 05:13:38 PM
Ok guys ...


The Levrone story { i'm 90 % sure Cormier stated this, if I remember correctly } ... it was said that before EVERY contest { although this particular story takes place before the O } Kevin would lock himself up in a room with nothing but whiskey, army gear, and I forget the other shit. Hahaha. This would be approx. 2-3 weeks out from comp. Guy, pretty much, would fuckin' lose it. And there are TONS of stories regarding Kevin and his alcohol " issues " throughout the years.


Take it for what it's worth. But I remember at least 2 or 3 other people { other than Cormier } confirming the very same thing. Who the fuck knows though ??? Hahahahaha !!


Sure as hell can't speak for Cormier, but I get reeeeeaaaaal loopy in pre-contest mode. Especially now with my contest being this weekend and all. Gotta love Tren !!! Hahahahahahaha !


Title: Re: Sample Diet and Drug Protocol for Growth
Post by: Glass Gorilla on October 09, 2012, 09:27:36 PM
The following is a sample diet and drug protocol that anybody can follow. This will not make you pro or national level size, that is mostly dictated by genetics but even someone with the worst muscle building genes should "explode" on such a protocol.

Just to note: for those that keep the permanent blinders on, this is completely unhealthy and dangerous - much like bodybuilding in general.

---

Drugs:
1,000 - 2,000mg testosterone per week
800 - 1200mg deca per week
50 - 100mg dbol taken on workout days only, pre workout
100mg TNE pre workout
10iu (at least) hGH
15iu insulin taken twice per day

insulin and hgh protocol:
insulin shot immediately upon waking followed by breakfast
insulin shot prior to training (immediately or 90 mins prior depending on humulin-r or log)
take entire dosage of hgh all at once either IM or IV immediately post workout

Diet: (not including pre, intra and post workout eating)
1. 8oz lean ground beef, 2 cup oats, 1 gatorade
2. 100g whey, 50g oats, 2 tbsp PB
3. 8oz lean ground beef, 2 sweet potatoes
4. 100g whey, 50g oats, 2 tbsp PB
5. 8oz lean ground beef, 2 sweet potatoes
6. (before bed) 100g whey, 1 cup whole milk, 2 tbsp PB

Pre workout protocol:
inject TNE and consume or inject dbol 90 mins pre workout
inject humulin-R 90 mins pre workout
eat a pre workout meal of 8-16oz chicken and 2 sweet potatoes
immediately pre workout have 25-50g dextrose
intra workout drink 50g dextrose, 25g whey protein, bcaa's, creatine monohydrate
immediately post workout IV or IM entire day's hgh dose
20-30 mins post hgh inject, have a shake of 100g whey and 50g dextrose
90 mins post hgh inject, eat a meal of 8-16oz chicken and 1 cup rice

Just wondering why there seems to be much more food involved in this protocol than the protocol you outlined the other day (the day in the life one), which had much more drugs.


Title: Re: Sample Diet and Drug Protocol for Growth
Post by: tommywishbone on October 09, 2012, 09:30:29 PM
BFG; post a few pics or you will be tossed to the scrap yard.

No offense, but this is the same way gh15 started.


Title: Re: Sample Diet and Drug Protocol for Growth
Post by: Alex23 on October 09, 2012, 10:30:55 PM
Thanks again man

First you go around the boards making lies about me getting divorced; god knows why but sounds like what a soap opera bitch would do. Afterall you are Irish, so who knows.

Then you made claims that my beloved wife even emailed you (why wouldn't she).

Let's see some proofs. 

In the meantime, I'll answer her question as to why a man like you goes for tinny Asians with coarse pubes; she's wondering if it's for the very opposite reason a girl like her goes for Thoresque Vikings sporting a warhammer like yours truly. She's obviously up to something.


Title: Re: Sample Diet and Drug Protocol for Growth
Post by: Spidey on October 09, 2012, 11:06:16 PM
No wonder you guys are in permanent Bulk mode with those kinds of dosages!! S*it i never even got close to that or tought about it!
Crazy people!!


Title: Re: Sample Diet and Drug Protocol for Growth
Post by: BFG on October 10, 2012, 03:45:01 AM
uh oh another copy pasta recipe.

way to give kids here advice on how to take insulin, something that could lead to imminent death.

you fucking flaming thick homosexual.


and yeah no shit, growth will happen on these dosages, how did you figure it out, did you have a team of scientists around you? ::)

anyone whos not almost an olympia competitor will get epic estrogen sides from that

a beginner and newcomer to steroids will have good gains with much much less.

I'm trying to understand the basis of your response.

Do you honestly believe that I divulged some proprietary information on "how to use insulin?" The fact that you believe that insulin can truly lead to "imminent death" makes me believe that you have no experience with it and are simply basing your criticism over the exaggerated tales that exist on the bodybuilding forums.

Where did I state that this is for beginners? My entire posting history would indicate that the matters I write about have nothing to do with the steroid newbie or the casual gym rat.





Title: Re: Sample Diet and Drug Protocol for Growth
Post by: deceiver on October 10, 2012, 04:15:43 AM
I'm trying to understand the basis of your response.

Do you honestly believe that I divulged some proprietary information on "how to use insulin?" The fact that you believe that insulin can truly lead to "imminent death" makes me believe that you have no experience with it and are simply basing your criticism over the exaggerated tales that exist on the bodybuilding forums.

Where did I state that this is for beginners? My entire posting history would indicate that the matters I write about have nothing to do with the steroid newbie or the casual gym rat.





You seem like very intelligent guy, props.


Title: Re: Sample Diet and Drug Protocol for Growth
Post by: simon on October 10, 2012, 04:18:34 AM
pretty much spot on.  some use an anti-aromatase for bloating.   Adjust doseages according to experience level and size.   


Title: Re: Sample Diet and Drug Protocol for Growth
Post by: Moen on October 10, 2012, 04:34:05 AM
I'm trying to understand the basis of your response.

Do you honestly believe that I divulged some proprietary information on "how to use insulin?" The fact that you believe that insulin can truly lead to "imminent death" makes me believe that you have no experience with it and are simply basing your criticism over the exaggerated tales that exist on the bodybuilding forums.

Where did I state that this is for beginners? My entire posting history would indicate that the matters I write about have nothing to do with the steroid newbie or the casual gym rat.





BFG, why the injecting esiclene in toilet stalls? Why not in the hotel or at home?

Tell us some more about Levrone's suicide attempts also please  ;)


Title: Re: Sample Diet and Drug Protocol for Growth
Post by: George Whorewell on October 10, 2012, 04:35:52 AM
That's why you look so incredible now right?

You're a morally and intellectually impotent mess.

This.


Title: Re: Sample Diet and Drug Protocol for Growth
Post by: BFG on October 10, 2012, 09:13:37 AM
BFG, why the injecting esiclene in toilet stalls? Why not in the hotel or at home?

Tell us some more about Levrone's suicide attempts also please  ;)

Most do their dirty work in the hotel before the show. Backstage while pumping up and scrutinizing ones self in a variety of mirrors, in every possible lighting and staring at the other competitors less than an inch away causes a lot of last minute doubts and insecurities. That often leads to even more "finishing touches" performed backstage, in the bathroom.


Title: Re: Sample Diet and Drug Protocol for Growth
Post by: Moen on October 10, 2012, 09:24:18 AM
Most do their dirty work in the hotel before the show. Backstage while pumping up and scrutinizing ones self in a variety of mirrors, in every possible lighting and staring at the other competitors less than an inch away causes a lot of last minute doubts and insecurities. That often leads to even more "finishing touches" performed backstage, in the bathroom.

I knew it, incredible  :-\


Title: Re: Sample Diet and Drug Protocol for Growth
Post by: bigmikecox on October 10, 2012, 09:33:25 AM
My buddy did esceline in his calves before a show and said it was the WORST pain he ever experienced!



Title: Re: Sample Diet and Drug Protocol for Growth
Post by: BFG on October 10, 2012, 09:36:28 AM
My buddy did esceline in his calves before a show and said it was the WORST pain he ever experienced!



No other injection compares to the pain of esiclene. Not even close. That said, its routine to have your "team" go through every major muscle group and hit them with esiclene before a show. Traps, 4 shots in the delts in T-shape, 4 in the biceps (2 in each head), 2 in each calf, etc.

It also takes some serious mental fortitude to stick a 1.5'' 18 gauge in each head of the biceps and fill it up with 3+ cc's of carrier oil.


Title: Re: Sample Diet and Drug Protocol for Growth
Post by: Hulkotron on October 10, 2012, 09:42:16 AM
filt


Title: Re: Sample Diet and Drug Protocol for Growth
Post by: Moen on October 10, 2012, 09:44:14 AM
Let's all encourage BFG to post more here. Always great stuff  8)


Title: Re: Sample Diet and Drug Protocol for Growth
Post by: The_Iron_Disciple on October 10, 2012, 10:53:24 AM
Let's all encourage BFG to post more here. Always great stuff  8)


Agreed !


If you had ANY doubts about whether or not you wished to pursue competitive bb'ing at the TOP levels ... well, your doubts you be put to rest after reading BFG's posts ! Hahahahaha !


Me ?? Well, i'm a crazy guy anyways ! Hahahaha !!


Title: Re: Sample Diet and Drug Protocol for Growth
Post by: bigmikecox on October 10, 2012, 10:56:32 AM
No other injection compares to the pain of esiclene. Not even close. That said, its routine to have your "team" go through every major muscle group and hit them with esiclene before a show. Traps, 4 shots in the delts in T-shape, 4 in the biceps (2 in each head), 2 in each calf, etc.

It also takes some serious mental fortitude to stick a 1.5'' 18 gauge in each head of the biceps and fill it up with 3+ cc's of carrier oil.

18 gauge????????????? 


Title: Re: Sample Diet and Drug Protocol for Growth
Post by: Meaningless on October 10, 2012, 11:08:20 AM
Including the peri workout nutrition that works out as 9 meals per day..... even off season? I would of thought less meals, maybe 5-6 with big portions.


Title: Re: Sample Diet and Drug Protocol for Growth
Post by: Van_Bilderass on October 10, 2012, 12:16:10 PM
Why talk about Esiclene? When was the last time you saw this product? Maybe someone
brews a copy with Chinese raws but I didn't see it or hear of it... anyone else?

I think site injecting in general is bullshit and it's best to put as much as possible of your gear in your ass.
SEOs always distort the natural shape of a muscle, despite what the SEO sellers claim. It causes scar tissue and probably kills muscle fibers via other means as well. All SEO users look like shit eventually.
Peptide site injections do not cause localized growth, again contrary to what peptide sellers claim. If they do it's too little to notice and then you should weigh it against the damage you're doing to the muscle by putting needles in it repeatedly.
Like I said before, BFG talked about how Kai was doing site specific protocols for his traps. If he did, did it work? ;)

Causing inflammation just before a show with something like Esiclene might help a little, but it might hurt you too.


Title: Re: Sample Diet and Drug Protocol for Growth
Post by: BFG on October 10, 2012, 12:59:41 PM
Why talk about Esiclene? When was the last time you saw this product? Maybe someone
brews a copy with Chinese raws but I didn't see it or hear of it... anyone else?

I think site injecting in general is bullshit and it's best to put as much as possible of your gear in your ass.
SEOs always distort the natural shape of a muscle, despite what the SEO sellers claim. It causes scar tissue and probably kills muscle fibers via other means as well. All SEO users look like shit eventually.
Peptide site injections do not cause localized growth, again contrary to what peptide sellers claim. If they do it's too little to notice and then you should weigh it against the damage you're doing to the muscle by putting needles in it repeatedly.
Like I said before, BFG talked about how Kai was doing site specific protocols for his traps. If he did, did it work? ;)

Causing inflammation just before a show with something like Esiclene might help a little, but it might hurt you too.

I never claimed Kai's peptide protocol to bring up his genetically weak body pa would work, I just stated what he was doing. Any time I have discussed a site injection protocol, I am not endorsing it nor saying it will work (long term), I'm merely passing along objective information.

I am going to have to disagree that SEO's do not work. They definitely work short term and if applied correctly in sane doses, they will enhance one's appearance on stage. If bodybuilders cared about damage caused to a muscle by repeated injections....they wouldnt be bodybuilders. Scar tissue is part of the game.

And you are correct, esiclene is pretty much off the market. Liquid versions of oral steroids do a mediocre job of site specific inflammation.


Title: Re: Sample Diet and Drug Protocol for Growth
Post by: Big Chiro Flex on October 10, 2012, 01:12:02 PM
I still don't get how Kai's traps are his weak point. Traps seem to be the one body part that grows on everybody. It's the one body part that is even the dead giveaway for when someone starts juicing. Why are the traps on this african American defective?


Title: Re: Sample Diet and Drug Protocol for Growth
Post by: Big Chiro Flex on October 10, 2012, 09:51:06 PM
i got the same problem.

seems very rare, but yeah,all genetics, if they havent grown in 10 years of training, they never will.

from front theyre ok, from the back, relaxed, they suck :-X

indeed a very untypical weakness, even womans traps tend to grow easy when they train
Annnnnnd Kai Greene cries himself to sleep tonight after reading this  :D


Title: Re: Sample Diet and Drug Protocol for Growth
Post by: Master Blaster on October 10, 2012, 10:30:55 PM
The following is a sample diet and drug protocol that anybody can follow. This will not make you pro or national level size, that is mostly dictated by genetics but even someone with the worst muscle building genes should "explode" on such a protocol.

Just to note: for those that keep the permanent blinders on, this is completely unhealthy and dangerous - much like bodybuilding in general.

---

Drugs:
1,000 - 2,000mg testosterone per week
800 - 1200mg deca per week
50 - 100mg dbol taken on workout days only, pre workout
100mg TNE pre workout
10iu (at least) hGH
15iu insulin taken twice per day

insulin and hgh protocol:
insulin shot immediately upon waking followed by breakfast
insulin shot prior to training (immediately or 90 mins prior depending on humulin-r or log)
take entire dosage of hgh all at once either IM or IV immediately post workout

Diet: (not including pre, intra and post workout eating)
1. 8oz lean ground beef, 2 cup oats, 1 gatorade
2. 100g whey, 50g oats, 2 tbsp PB
3. 8oz lean ground beef, 2 sweet potatoes
4. 100g whey, 50g oats, 2 tbsp PB
5. 8oz lean ground beef, 2 sweet potatoes
6. (before bed) 100g whey, 1 cup whole milk, 2 tbsp PB

Pre workout protocol:
inject TNE and consume or inject dbol 90 mins pre workout
inject humulin-R 90 mins pre workout
eat a pre workout meal of 8-16oz chicken and 2 sweet potatoes
immediately pre workout have 25-50g dextrose
intra workout drink 50g dextrose, 25g whey protein, bcaa's, creatine monohydrate
immediately post workout IV or IM entire day's hgh dose
20-30 mins post hgh inject, have a shake of 100g whey and 50g dextrose
90 mins post hgh inject, eat a meal of 8-16oz chicken and 1 cup rice


Just eat real food. That sounds like a disgusting, inhuman diet. Gross.


Title: Re: Sample Diet and Drug Protocol for Growth
Post by: Meaningless on October 11, 2012, 06:48:44 AM
Just eat real food. That sounds like a disgusting, inhuman diet. Gross.

Whilst it still sucks....the diet would be the most pleasent aspect of that protocol, Im surprised you picked that out.... Id prefer to drink several protein shakes per day rather than inject myself several times a day.


Title: Re: Sample Diet and Drug Protocol for Growth
Post by: Rami on October 11, 2012, 06:54:20 AM
sample diet and drug protocol for ruining your life and your health


Title: Re: Sample Diet and Drug Protocol for Growth
Post by: Metabolic on October 11, 2012, 01:46:00 PM
More stories bro, protocols and shit can be found elsewhere, stories are not that common  ;D


Title: Re: Sample Diet and Drug Protocol for Growth
Post by: BFG on October 11, 2012, 01:48:36 PM
sample diet and drug protocol for ruining your life and your health

The diet and drugs are extremely hard in different ways.

It is actually physically easier to stick a needle in your body and push a plunger then eat pounds and pounds of red meat every single day, for years.


Title: Re: Sample Diet and Drug Protocol for Growth
Post by: Meaningless on October 11, 2012, 02:08:31 PM
Whats a typical off seaon diet look like? How far can one go without GH and should they adjust there food/training/other steroids accordingly if no gh in system?


Title: Re: Sample Diet and Drug Protocol for Growth
Post by: BFG on October 11, 2012, 02:25:15 PM
Whats a typical off seaon diet look like? How far can one go without GH and should they adjust there food/training/other steroids accordingly if no gh in system?

My initial post is a good starting place for an offseason diet for an experienced bodybuilder. Growth is not only about drug doses, but about food intake as well so its important to increase portion sizes with the drugs during each "blast." Obviously, one reaches a point where it just makes no sense to eat more but the amount that pro bodybuilders need to eat to build their size is almost inhuman. Start with the frame work I laid out and during each blast, if growth isn't happening at an appropriate rate, evaluate diet and start increasing portions.

How far one can go in bodybuilding with or without GH ultimately comes down to genetics, but one can grow pretty large on just steroids. I would always recommend a young bodybuilder spend his money on more steroids rather than just barely affording 5iu's of GH 5 days a week. If you are in your twenties (or even early thirties) and can't afford to either blast 15-20+ iu's of GH 4+ days a week in limited time periods or run 10+ iu's 6-7 days a week indefinitely, spend your money on steroids.

One of the main benefits of GH (besides the physical changes) is the hunger that it creates and the greater ability to utilize carbohydrates while using stored fat for energy. It also causes quite a bit of insulin insensitivity so those that experiment with insulin without gh should stick to low doses as they will be far more sensitive to it and also suffer the fat storage effect to a greater degree than their GH using peers.


Title: Re: Sample Diet and Drug Protocol for Growth
Post by: Meaningless on October 11, 2012, 02:42:43 PM
My initial post is a good starting place for an offseason diet for an experienced bodybuilder. Growth is not only about drug doses, but about food intake as well so its important to increase portion sizes with the drugs during each "blast." Obviously, one reaches a point where it just makes no sense to eat more but the amount that pro bodybuilders need to eat to build their size is almost inhuman. Start with the frame work I laid out and during each blast, if growth isn't happening at an appropriate rate, evaluate diet and start increasing portions.

How far one can go in bodybuilding with or without GH ultimately comes down to genetics, but one can grow pretty large on just steroids. I would always recommend a young bodybuilder spend his money on more steroids rather than just barely affording 5iu's of GH 5 days a week. If you are in your twenties (or even early thirties) and can't afford to either blast 15-20+ iu's of GH 4+ days a week in limited time periods or run 10+ iu's 6-7 days a week indefinitely, spend your money on steroids.

One of the main benefits of GH (besides the physical changes) is the hunger that it creates and the greater ability to utilize carbohydrates while using stored fat for energy. It also causes quite a bit of insulin insensitivity so those that experiment with insulin without gh should stick to low doses as they will be far more sensitive to it and also suffer the fat storage effect to a greater degree than their GH using peers.

Again, thank you for your reply, advice and contributions to this board.


Title: Re: Sample Diet and Drug Protocol for Growth
Post by: a_ahmed on October 11, 2012, 02:45:42 PM
who's bfg lol


Title: Re: Sample Diet and Drug Protocol for Growth
Post by: WillGrant on October 11, 2012, 03:46:21 PM
who's bfg lol
BIG FUCKING GUY


Title: Re: Sample Diet and Drug Protocol for Growth
Post by: jude2 on October 11, 2012, 04:57:48 PM
who's bfg lol
[/quote  gh16


Title: Re: Sample Diet and Drug Protocol for Growth
Post by: Big Chiro Flex on October 11, 2012, 10:45:53 PM
who's bfg lol
GH15 v2.0


Title: Re: Sample Diet and Drug Protocol for Growth
Post by: Meaningless on October 12, 2012, 12:09:31 AM
GH15 v2.0

Not comparable, gh15 just preaches "trenbolona ace, low testotserona" and has no consistency, he preaches how ifbb pros barely eat and just eat pineapple and balonie and the hormones do all the work. This guy gives solid advice, and specific protocols both diet and drugs, that make sense .


Title: Re: Sample Diet and Drug Protocol for Growth
Post by: BigCyp on October 12, 2012, 01:42:39 AM
Sample diet and drug protocol for garebear:

Diet: childrens genitalia

Drug protocol: sedating cough syrup and haribos


Title: Re: Sample Diet and Drug Protocol for Growth
Post by: The_Iron_Disciple on October 12, 2012, 08:12:30 AM
BFG,


I understand my question is a tad bit off-topic and I apologize for that. However, as a person who is in the know, could you please tell me / us how TOP bb'ers ACTUALLY diet come pre-contest ?? I suppose what I am trying to say is ... well, is it chicken and rice everyday ?? Junk food ?? Just curious. As always, thank you for your time, sir. :-)


Title: Re: Sample Diet and Drug Protocol for Growth
Post by: Big Chiro Flex on October 12, 2012, 08:49:46 AM
Not comparable, gh15 just preaches "trenbolona ace, low testotserona" and has no consistency, he preaches how ifbb pros barely eat and just eat pineapple and balonie and the hormones do all the work. This guy gives solid advice, and specific protocols both diet and drugs, that make sense .
You will promptly get promoted to top Elf of Narnia for this example of loyalty to BFG my friend!  :D

In all seriousness, his posts are great to read.


Title: Re: Sample Diet and Drug Protocol for Growth
Post by: DroppingPlates on October 12, 2012, 09:15:26 AM
Whole milk during a contest prep  ???


Title: Re: Sample Diet and Drug Protocol for Growth
Post by: BFG on October 12, 2012, 09:26:02 AM
BFG,


I understand my question is a tad bit off-topic and I apologize for that. However, as a person who is in the know, could you please tell me / us how TOP bb'ers ACTUALLY diet come pre-contest ?? I suppose what I am trying to say is ... well, is it chicken and rice everyday ?? Junk food ?? Just curious. As always, thank you for your time, sir. :-)

Despite what people tend to think, most bodybuilders diet very hard during contest prep. Some do keto, some carb cycle, etc but ultimately it is very strict. The idea that simply enough drugs can take your body to near death levels of body fat while eating junk food is absurd.


Title: Re: Sample Diet and Drug Protocol for Growth
Post by: dustin on October 12, 2012, 09:39:29 AM
No other injection compares to the pain of esiclene. Not even close. That said, its routine to have your "team" go through every major muscle group and hit them with esiclene before a show. Traps, 4 shots in the delts in T-shape, 4 in the biceps (2 in each head), 2 in each calf, etc.

It also takes some serious mental fortitude to stick a 1.5'' 18 gauge in each head of the biceps and fill it up with 3+ cc's of carrier oil.

That's like sticking a pencil into your body. I can see why someone would be so quick to abuse the PEDs. That's masochistic, as if this "sport" wasn't insane enough.

Amazing knowledge and insights. Thank you for your advices.


Title: Re: Sample Diet and Drug Protocol for Growth
Post by: The_Iron_Disciple on October 12, 2012, 09:46:40 AM
Despite what people tend to think, most bodybuilders diet very hard during contest prep. Some do keto, some carb cycle, etc but ultimately it is very strict. The idea that simply enough drugs can take your body to near death levels of body fat while eating junk food is absurd.


Perfect ! Always wanted to know. :-) :-) Thank you for the response.


I've noticed { through personal experience }, that when taking BOTH T3 and GH, i'm able to eat almost anything I want and STAY lean. I swore when eating ice cream before bed, I almost woke up leaner the next day ! And, yes, i'm being 100 % serious ! Lol ! However, have been dieting for close to 13 weeks now { my show is tomorrow, in fact ! :-) }, and have noticed that eating clean COMBINED with those drugs that I mentioned produce UNBELIEVABLE results. So, in short BFG, that is why I asked. I've learned through this contest prep that the " physical " part of bb'ing is often easy. It's the " mental " part of bb'ing { i.e - eating shit like chicken and rice everyday } that is MOST difficult. Can absolutely make you or break you, in my opinion.


At any rate, enough of my ranting ! Lol ! Just wanted to thank you again for your time here. Other than Van { whom I have A TON of respect for }, you are the main reason I even come to this board anymore, BFG. Have even went so far { and please don't view this as creepy, fellas } as to print ALL that you've said here at GetBig. And have followed what you have said as well, more or less. Just want to let you know that you are ABSOLUTELY appreciated here. A lot of us benefit from your knowledge. :-) :-) :-)


And, no, guys, that doesn't mean i'm going to go out and jump on 15 IU's of Insulin ! Lol ! Some of us can think for ourselves. Look at BFG's " How To Turn Pro " thread. THAT'S what I follow !! :-) :-) :-)


Title: Re: Sample Diet and Drug Protocol for Growth
Post by: POB on October 12, 2012, 11:52:29 AM
BFG,


I understand my question is a tad bit off-topic and I apologize for that. However, as a person who is in the know, could you please tell me / us how TOP bb'ers ACTUALLY diet come pre-contest ?? I suppose what I am trying to say is ... well, is it chicken and rice everyday ?? Junk food ?? Just curious. As always, thank you for your time, sir. :-)

Most protein comes from fish


Title: Re: Sample Diet and Drug Protocol for Growth
Post by: Slowjamcdub on October 23, 2012, 02:25:19 PM
Hey bfg, how well would that protocol work without the gh and sulin? I'm not a pro bodybuilder by any means but I have done 1 bb comp. Mostly just a gym rat that likes to look good big and strong and in shape. Most of my cycles have been low test around 600 mg but I grow really well.  After seeing your protocol I'm thinking about steping the dose up and see how it goes. I had no Idea how much most guy and pro guys run or could run until I read your posts. So thanks for shining light into the bodybuilding world as well.


Title: Re: Sample Diet and Drug Protocol for Growth
Post by: mdn250 on October 23, 2012, 02:47:18 PM
yes it is and it is mentally very trying.

let me put something in perspective: this setup is mild. contest prep at the national and pro level is a nightmare, because it is chemical warfare on your own body and you are ultimately faced with the decision of feeling like you are killing yourself or losing which is a major blow to both ego and the body dysmorphia that the steroid abuse ironically exacerbated. sitting in a toilet stall, in the bathroom backstage of a show, with 5+ fully loaded needles mixed with esiclene - which hurts more than any other injection by a mile and various steroids and having to inject your biceps, traps, rear delts, medial delts, upper chest...it isn't fun and sometimes the only thing that makes it a bit easier is nubain, or oxy, etc. thats where it leads for many.

contest prep at the highest levels can get very dark as a result of this...levrone came close to suicide a few times during prep. nasser would sit in his hotel room covered in blood, grinding his teeth while each muscle of his back was hit with esiclene to try to make his weakest body part look better next to his peers. charles glass would help flex put cc's of carrier oils in each head of his biceps with a 1.5'' 18 gauge and inject 4 sites on each delt with esiclene pre contest.





I thought there was no more esiclene to be had? Are you sure those amps still exist? Isn't that one of the reasons we see 4 delt heads on some idiots due to synthol being the only easy to obtain spot shot?

MDN

ps- Can't even imagine all the spot shots....I had to use an 18g just for regular test injection and that was enough lol.


Title: Re: Sample Diet and Drug Protocol for Growth
Post by: The_Iron_Disciple on October 23, 2012, 03:53:04 PM
^^^ Syntherol { there's a banner for it on PM's forum }.


Title: Re: Sample Diet and Drug Protocol for Growth
Post by: Big Chiro Flex on October 27, 2012, 03:07:07 PM
BFG: can you give your opinion (and dosing protocol) for using GHRH/GHRP instead of legit HGH?


Title: Re: Sample Diet and Drug Protocol for Growth
Post by: OTHstrong on October 27, 2012, 03:21:21 PM
who's bfg lol
Actually if the people of getbig knew who he is, they would not be talking back to him or be questioning him. I educate all kinds of people here on drug protocols and diets and bodybuilding in general and I am an experience bodybuilder and I don't hold a candle to bfg

If you guys truly want to to know what happens at the very top, Olympia top 6, it does not get more accurate then bfg, trust me.


Title: Re: Sample Diet and Drug Protocol for Growth
Post by: BFG on October 27, 2012, 04:04:45 PM
BFG: can you give your opinion (and dosing protocol) for using GHRH/GHRP instead of legit HGH?

Its not a replacement, but if real it can work very well.

Real sermorelin, from the pharmacy, injected 3-5x per day, 100-150mcg per shot yields visible differences in one's physique in a relatively short period of time.

That said, it will not yield effects anything like blasting 20+ iu of GH IV post workout. There is nothing on the market right now that compares.


Title: Re: Sample Diet and Drug Protocol for Growth
Post by: Big Chiro Flex on October 27, 2012, 07:12:26 PM
Its not a replacement, but if real it can work very well.

Real sermorelin, from the pharmacy, injected 3-5x per day, 100-150mcg per shot yields visible differences in one's physique in a relatively short period of time.

That said, it will not yield effects anything like blasting 20+ iu of GH IV post workout. There is nothing on the market right now that compares.
Fascinating shit here...big thanks for the answer bro


Title: Re: Sample Diet and Drug Protocol for Growth
Post by: Big Chiro Flex on October 27, 2012, 07:21:18 PM
Actually if the people of getbig knew who he is, they would not be talking back to him or be questioning him. I educate all kinds of people here on drug protocols and diets and bodybuilding in general and I am an experience bodybuilder and I don't hold a candle to bfg

If you guys truly want to to know what happens at the very top, Olympia top 6, it does not get more accurate then bfg, trust me.
So long as BFG refrains from making claims regarding CIA connections, alien built pyramids, and Luna security clearance, he should definitely post more here and spread the wisdom and stories.


Title: Re: Sample Diet and Drug Protocol for Growth
Post by: trapz101 on October 27, 2012, 07:25:53 PM
waiting for training protocol


Title: Re: Sample Diet and Drug Protocol for Growth
Post by: Hulkotron on October 27, 2012, 07:30:20 PM
It's important to do the correct number of reps and sets.


Title: Re: Sample Diet and Drug Protocol for Growth
Post by: OTHstrong on October 27, 2012, 10:09:12 PM
So long as BFG refrains from making claims regarding CIA connections, alien built pyramids, and Luna security clearance, he should definitely post more here and spread the wisdom and stories.
He posts here once in a blue moon, but when he does the experience guys here even pick up a thing or two best not to run him off with the ignorant comments we might learn a few things here. Oh and lol at gh15 superstar comment  ;D


Title: Re: Sample Diet and Drug Protocol for Growth
Post by: trapz101 on October 27, 2012, 10:35:12 PM
when will the new site bfg.org be up?


Title: Re: Sample Diet and Drug Protocol for Growth
Post by: flinstones1 on November 10, 2012, 06:07:07 PM
My initial post is a good starting place for an offseason diet for an experienced bodybuilder. Growth is not only about drug doses, but about food intake as well so its important to increase portion sizes with the drugs during each "blast." Obviously, one reaches a point where it just makes no sense to eat more but the amount that pro bodybuilders need to eat to build their size is almost inhuman. Start with the frame work I laid out and during each blast, if growth isn't happening at an appropriate rate, evaluate diet and start increasing portions.

How far one can go in bodybuilding with or without GH ultimately comes down to genetics, but one can grow pretty large on just steroids. I would always recommend a young bodybuilder spend his money on more steroids rather than just barely affording 5iu's of GH 5 days a week. If you are in your twenties (or even early thirties) and can't afford to either blast 15-20+ iu's of GH 4+ days a week in limited time periods or run 10+ iu's 6-7 days a week indefinitely, spend your money on steroids.

One of the main benefits of GH (besides the physical changes) is the hunger that it creates and the greater ability to utilize carbohydrates while using stored fat for energy. It also causes quite a bit of insulin insensitivity so those that experiment with insulin without gh should stick to low doses as they will be far more sensitive to it and also suffer the fat storage effect to a greater degree than their GH using peers.

I disagree......no amount of steroids will ever come close to 4iu of legit pharm grade gh a day. Ive tried both the ways you've described above....and 25iu pharm grade GH a week  and 1 measly gram of AAS,  did things that 3 garms of AAS by itself could dream about. growth hormone is by far the most important drug in bodybuilding.

your basicly saying anything less than 10iu of gh a day is pointless ::)   4iu a day had me asking people if i was getting ready for a show, eating icecream every night.....