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Just was interviewed through a Fox News Corrospondent. Seeing as how its going to be his final debate ever on stage, he's going 300 Brolic!!!!!
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Biden is one of the dumbest people in Washington.
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Biden is one of the dumbest people in Washington.
Well, he's Vice President of the US and has never lost an electoral race. I think he's a bit crazy but he also doesn't give a fuck about giving a fuck. He handles politics like he handled being a defensive end back in college....he always goes out to sack the quarterback over and over again.
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They've kept him from doing any national media for six months...they haven't been doing that because he thinks well on his feet.
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Just was interviewed through a Fox News Corrospondent. Seeing as how its going to be his final debate ever on stage, he's going 300 Brolic!!!!!
you sure it was Biden you saw on TV saying that
the only person I can find who is attributed that quote is Senator Bill Nelson
seems od that Biden would be doing interviews hours before the debate
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you sure it was Biden you saw on TV saying that
the only person I can find who is attributed that quote is Senator Bill Nelson
seems od that Biden would be doing interviews hours before the debate
It was on a Fox corrospondent site.....they said that Biden said it....who knows....he's said worse ;D
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wonky time.
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It was on a Fox corrospondent site.....they said that Biden said it....who knows....he's said worse ;D
I don't think Biden would make a statement like that before a debate
Although it's totally plausible and consistent with past history for someone on Fox to falsely attribute a quote
According to Reuters
U.S. Senator Bill Nelson, who is running for re-election in Florida, ignored the strategy used by his fellow Democrats of playing down their chances in the debate, and clearly predicted victory.
"Joe Biden will make mincemeat of Paul Ryan," he said.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/10/11/us-usa-campaign-idUSBRE8981EM20121011
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Biden looks terrible.
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Biden lied his ass off on lybia.
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Is Biden getting smacked around?
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Is Biden getting smacked around?
Biden looks like a complete clown. Acting like a child.
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Biden showing way more balls than Obama did. Made a good point about the hour long disussion.
I think he is beinga horses ass, a little goofy, but he does look like the grownup on the stage.
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Just started watching, I dont like Biden's smiling all the time
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I just flipped it on during the commercial for the game. Biden has a face you just want to punch. The little snickers are pretty childish.
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Just started watching, I dont like Biden's smiling all the time
me either, very smug smiling and laughing during ryans responses.
He is doing better than I figured he would though
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Just started watching, I dont like Biden's smiling all the time
Same smirk as his partner from the last debate ::)
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Biden showing way more balls than Obama did. Made a good point about the hour long disussion.
I think he is beinga horses ass, a little goofy, but he does look like the grownup on the stage.
Biden is a real blowhard.
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Biden is a real blowhard.
He's going to bomb on this next topic.
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me either, very smug smiling and laughing during ryans responses.
He is doing better than I figured he would though
I was the first to admit obama looked like a man trying to avoid a fight in debate #1. He was a wimp, a sissy, overwhelmed, tired, and ready for a vacation to hawaii come january 20th.
I gotta say here...
Biden is doing very well in this debate, 34 minutes in. Quick with some things taht embaras ryan, like asking for stim money. Serious balls. Ryan doing everything you'd expect, lots of numbers and theory but lacks the control of the stage.
biden has a punchable face lol, i think we all agree he's a smug one. But he's got the edge so far, or its a tie.
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Biden is a real blowhard.
you are
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Why is Ryan constantly being interrupted? Guess that's to be expected when Obama attends the moderator's wedding. ::)
you are
Don't you have some Chinese princelings to teach so they can further enslave their subjects, scumbag?
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Let's scare the elderly on Medicare ::)
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Why is Ryan constantly being interrupted? Guess that's to be expected when Obama attends the moderator's wedding. ::)
Her husband is head of one of his committees isn't he?
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Biden really is a piece of work.
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I was the first to admit obama looked like a man trying to avoid a fight in debate #1. He was a wimp, a sissy, overwhelmed, tired, and ready for a vacation to hawaii come january 20th.
I gotta say here...
Biden is doing very well in this debate, 34 minutes in. Quick with some things taht embaras ryan, like asking for stim money. Serious balls. Ryan doing everything you'd expect, lots of numbers and theory but lacks the control of the stage.
biden has a punchable face lol, i think we all agree he's a smug one. But he's got the edge so far, or its a tie.
biden is repeating shit that has already been debunked....
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newt, santorum, jeb or CHRISTIE would be DEMOLISHING biden right now.
I think we see one of the deficits of romney picking a person who won't outshine him, a little brother instead of a peer.
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Biden is a rude jerk. Ryan needs to jus tell him stfu.
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Biggest pet peeve: Beginning a sentence with LOOK. >:(
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Biggest pet peeve: Beginning a sentence with LOOK. >:(
hahaha
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newt, santorum, jeb or CHRISTIE would be DEMOLISHING biden right now.
I think we see one of the deficits of romney picking a person who won't outshine him, a little brother instead of a peer.
Biden just lied again. What a dipshit.
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biden is repeating shit that has already been debunked....
Biden doesn't give a fuck, that's the style that's keep him in the Senate since he was 29 years old. He mocks, spits, thumbs people in the eye, and is a complete asshole to his opponents.
As far as Biden repeating shit.....I agree with you but so did Romney in the debate.
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Biggest pet peeve: Beginning a sentence with LOOK. >:(
If i was doing a shot every time he did that, i'd be shitfaced right now.
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is this true? Dems want a vote on middle class cuts, and a separate vote for the upper class?
And is it true repubs don't want that vote?
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Biden doesn't give a fuck, that's the style that's keep him in the Senate since he was 29 years old. He mocks, spits, thumbs people in the eye, and is a complete asshole to his opponents.
As far as Biden repeating shit.....I agree with you but so did Romney in the debate.
agreed, I dont think that it will fly with alot of independents. It will go over real well with his base and piss alot of romney supporters but the independents wont like it.
what did romney repeat in the debate that head been debunked vince?
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is this true? Dems want a vote on middle class cuts, and a separate vote for the upper class?
And is it true repubs don't want that vote?
You do not have an MBA. I'm convinced.
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Not wise to argue math with Ryan :o
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Biden is disgusting.
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Every time I turn back to this I see this moron smiling and laughing. Flipped it right back to the game.
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agreed, I dont think that it will fly with alot of independents. It will go over real well with his base and piss alot of romney supporters but the independents wont like it.
what did romney repeat in the debate that head been debunked vince?
A lot of things like Obamacare, Libya, The Deficit, etc...then he backtracked on a number of statements he made. Biden and Romney are somewhat alike....they'll do what they have to do to win a debate even if they have to lie so they look like the victor onstage. That's where Obama fucked up....he should not have practiced with John Kerry because Kerry is a straight shooter and Romney is mean and nasty in debates
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So, if Obama dies Biden becomes president?
Scary, isn't it? :-\
Biden is the epitome of everything wrong with Washington. A career politician and a piece of shit.
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Not wise to argue math with Ryan :o
Its not a math test or spelling test....its a debate
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Ryan is too nice. He needs to look at Biden and tell him to grow up.
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Ryan is too nice. He needs to look at Biden and tell him to grow up.
Yep.....and Biden will only become a bigger asshole as this debate goes on
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A lot of things like Obamacare, Libya, The Deficit, etc...then he backtracked on a number of statements he made. Biden and Romney are somewhat alike....they'll do what they have to do to win a debate even if they have to lie so they look like the victor onstage. That's where Obama fucked up....he should not have practiced with John Kerry because Kerry is a straight shooter and Romney is mean and nasty in debates
so you cant tell us what just the he did on this and that?
i think i have an air soft gun for you vince
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Its not a math test or spelling test....its a debate
So it doesn't matter what bullshit numbers Biden decides to throw out there?
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I think this sums it up right now in one picture
(http://images.scribblelive.com/2012/10/12/62f50480-4276-441c-bd9e-14983dadfbe1_500.jpg)
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I think this sums it up right now in one picture
(http://images.scribblelive.com/2012/10/12/62f50480-4276-441c-bd9e-14983dadfbe1_500.jpg)
One looks like a smirking idiot and one looks like an adult? Yeah, I'd say so from the 5 minutes I watched.
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So it doesn't matter what bullshit numbers Biden decides to throw out there?
Not to Biden it doesn't. He doesn't care about statistics or fact check or being nice. He just wants to get in and mix it up with people. He's that career politican that will just lie through his teeth just to win. Its how he's won all of his elections and considering that he's been doing it for 40 years, he's got it down to a tee. Ryan should have known this
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So, if Obama dies Biden becomes president?
I sure as hell hope not. Biden is not someone I would want running this country...he's too fucking bananas
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Biden just owned him on the east afghn fighting thing.
we're sending more afghans into the dangerous areas. the damn way it should be - not our brave troops going into that mess.
paul ryan wanted our guys in there?
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Anyone else want to throat chop biden, followed immediately by a sweep of the leg and a k-bar to the throat?
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The moderator is definitely not calling this one down the middle. She is "moderating" this mess with Dem talking points, constantly cutting off Ryan and letting Biden ramble. It's a tag team....but Ryan is looking like leadership, serious, focused and not like a drunk mess of a jerk like Biden.
It's 2 on 1 but Ryan is looking just fine.
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is anybody else about braindead by now?
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Paul Ryan has to pee. you can tell. just saying. he's knocking out that water. sitting like a man trying to avoid pressure on bladder.
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is anybody else about braindead by now?
Biden was before he walked in the place.
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But momentum has shifted to Romney. Is it wise for Obama's proxy to come across as a condescending ass?
I don't think Obama has much of a choice because Biden is just going to be Biden. Obama talks about Obamacare...Biden blurts out " Its a big fucking deal"
Biden is always blurting out shit and people pretty much expect it and are actually too forgiving of it. When he was debating Obama in the 2008 elections, he was as ass about Obama and actually made a somewhat racist remark about him. How he became VP is still a mystery to me
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The moderator is definitely not calling this one down the middle. She is "moderating" this mess with Dem talking points, constantly cutting off Ryan and letting Biden ramble. It's a tag team....but Ryan is looking like leadership, serious, focused and not like a drunk mess of a jerk like Biden.
It's 2 on 1 but Ryan is looking just fine.
And it becomes painfully more obvious as this goes on. She can't hold back her liberal ways. Pathetic.......
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WTF!?! Time to move on mod!
America wants to hear about fiscal matters!
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Hello 9 1 1? There s an old man beating a child on my tv
— @billmaher via Twitter for BlackBerry®
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ABORTION???
ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME???
how is this an issue ppl want to hear about?
fucking horrible
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WTF!!!! :o :o :o :o :o :o
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the moderator was pro-ryan for the first 30 minutes. hit biden on the chin from minute 1.
she's been on biden's jock for the last 45 minutes.
biden is going to be the winner of this debate, unless he steps in shit, in the last 10 minutes.
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Ridiculous.
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Are you fvcking kidding me!!!???!!! :o
RELIGION?? ? ?
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God almighty, that's an hour or so of my life that I'll never get back.
What a waste of time.
Biden is a buffoon. As usual, he made a jackass out of himself; and especially in the one area where he was supposed to have leverage over Ryan-- First by calling China and Russia "allies" that President Obama brought back to the table-- whatever that means.
The second was his classic: "The sanctions against Iran are the toughest sanctions in the history of sanctions"-- or something to that effect.
Ryan was a little timid and way too polite at times-- but he came across as an adult and held his own.
Everyone from my mother to my buddy stationed overseas got in touch with me to ask what the $%^K Biden keeps smiling about?
On likability alone, Biden loses by a landslide.
On the issues-- Biden was aggressive-- but being an aggressive idiot spewing nonsense while making up fairy tales about the Obama Administrations otherwise unmentionable record isn't really much of a help.
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ABORTION???
ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME???
how is this an issue ppl want to hear about?
fucking horrible
Moderator/Obama Campaign will run the clock out and only give fiscal matters a few minutes.
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ABORTION???
ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME???
how is this an issue ppl want to hear about?
fucking horrible
it's very important to some people - The current Congress has introduced 67 abortion bills.
VERY important issue to many voters.
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Economy? Nah...not important
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oh that moderator is all over biden's jock now. big lib.
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Moderator/Obama Campaign will run the clock out and only give fiscal matters a few minutes.
this is a fucking sham
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they had the UE % and other economic discussion at 9:10 or so.
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the moderator was pro-ryan for the first 30 minutes. hit biden on the chin from minute 1.
she's been on biden's jock for the last 45 minutes.
biden is going to be the winner of this debate, unless he steps in shit, in the last 10 minutes.
Moderator was pro Ryan? You're a fucking retard. Seriously. Go put your helmet on and repeat some phrase until you fall asleep
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Last question? WTF?!
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Moderator was pro Ryan? You're a fucking retard. Seriously. Go put your helmet on and repeat some phrase until you fall asleep
hahaha now thats some funny shit ;D
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WOW-
Did Biden just say that the administration appointed two justices with open minds and no political agendas?!?!?!?
Jesus fucking christ---Can anyone with half a brain cell ( Vince don't strain yourself reading this) possibly reach the conclusion the Biden is not a pathological liar?
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No jobs?
Let's talk about abortion!
Also, Iran doesn't have enclosed metal-box capabilities
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Moderator was pro Ryan? You're a fucking retard. Seriously. Go put your helmet on and repeat some phrase until you fall asleep
in the first half hour, she was.
in the last hour, she's been pro-biden.
now, after watching this I truly believe ryan to be a good man at the service of his donors, and biden to be an egomaniac and very possibly a psycopath lol... dude has insane ice in his eyes.
Biden won this debate so far.
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Oh...I forgot to mention....When is the last time you heard the word "malarky" in any conversation... ;D
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WOW
RYan killllling it right now
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Biden is now making shit up to defend himself-- Ryan stomping the old man.
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WOW-
Did Biden just say that the administration appointed two justices with open minds and no political agendas?!?!?!?
Jesus fucking christ---Can anyone with half a brain cell ( Vince don't strain yourself reading this) possibly reach the conclusion the Biden is not a pathological liar?
yes even though one of them worked on obamacare...no agenda there!!!
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Priceless= Bitching about not getting enough time-- all he has is the 47% comment--> Thats it--> thats all
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Oh...I forgot to mention....When is the last time you heard the word "malarky" in any conversation... ;D
:D
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Priceless= Bitching about not getting enough time-- all he has is the 47% comment--> Thats it--> thats all
He made sure to get in a solid "blame Bush" moment.
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Ryan by a landslide-- when they ganged up on him, he actually got better.
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He made sure to get in a solid "blame Bush" moment.
LOL no doubt
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He made sure to get in a solid "blame Bush" moment.
Of course....and Ryan isn't going to win arguing with an angry drunk because he's just to pound down more booze and just madder.... ;D
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Of course....and Ryan isn't going to win arguing with an angry drunk because he's just to pound down more booze and just madder.... ;D
you seem to be happy that the vp on the ticket youre supporting is a blowhard who doesnt know the facts from his ass hole?
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FOX news is giving biden props. and a few backhanded comments too.
msnbc popping champagne, claiming an outright win.
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God almighty, that's an hour or so of my life that I'll never get back.
What a waste of time.
Biden is a buffoon. As usual, he made a jackass out of himself; and especially in the one area where he was supposed to have leverage over Ryan-- First by calling China and Russia "allies" that President Obama brought back to the table-- whatever that means.
The second was his classic: "The sanctions against Iran are the toughest sanctions in the history of sanctions"-- or something to that effect.
Ryan was a little timid and way too polite at times-- but he came across as an adult and held his own.
Everyone from my mother to my buddy stationed overseas got in touch with me to ask what the $%^K Biden keeps smiling about?
On likability alone, Biden loses by a landslide.
On the issues-- Biden was aggressive-- but being an aggressive idiot spewing nonsense while making up fairy tales about the Obama Administrations otherwise unmentionable record isn't really much of a help.
Haha, compare this post of substance to the bullshit 240 posts and laugh.
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cnn calling it a draw
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I thought the last moderator was bad.
She really takes the cake ::) >:(
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you seem to be happy that the vp on the ticket youre supporting is a blowhard who doesnt know the facts from his ass hole?
It funny watching Biden debate....he like that an angry old drunk guy at a bar that the bartender tells you to sit one seat away from..... ;D
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FOX news is giving biden props. and a few backhanded comments too.
msnbc popping champagne, claiming an outright win.
There's a real shocker! Biden could have shown up and passed out in a drunken/pilled up stooper in the bathroom and MSNBC would have declared him the winner.
It was a soggy draw. The moderator went way away from Jim Leherer and let her Democrat flag fly a bit too much in this one. Ryan was being tag teamed at some points and being interrupted by both at the same time during the debate. He still held his own.
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FOX news is giving biden props. and a few backhanded comments too.
msnbc popping champagne, claiming an outright win.
Nobody wins in that shit storm.
No jobs? Lets spend 2 hours on social garbage!
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It funny watching Biden debate....he like that an angry old drunk guy at a bar that the bartender tells you to sit one seat away from..... ;D
hahahah actually I agree, he is the drunk guy who thinks he is big shit. Gets drunk and picks a fight with at younger guy and then ends up getting the shit kicked out of him.
I dont mean that as an analogy of the debate I mean that as I can actually see it happening
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Nobody wins in that shit storm.
No jobs? Lets spend 2 hours on social garbage!
agreed, fuking horrible topics...
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On likability Ryan Wins
On substance Ryan Wins
On aggressiveness Biden Wins
2-1 easily.
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I thought ryan took a big hit on the afghan war thing. He was mad the US had the afghans doing the fighting in the most dangerous areas.
He did a very solid job, i just thought biden looked more confident and really controlled the table. You kinda had that feeling that if a fistfight erupted, the angry aggressive old man would beat up ryan - just as it looked in debate #1 that romney could kick the shit out of a timid obama.
it'll be called a tie, most likely. But since Ryan is the smartest man in the GOP - "the" policy wonk - and Biden is the biggest idiot in the history of the dem party... a "tie" is a pretty good thing for the dems.
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Spin, spin, spin!!!
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Spin, spin, spin!!!
face it, a stone cold half-drunk moron just "tied" the most brilliant mind in the GOP.
Ryan should have spanked him. didn't happen.
I know, i know, suddenly "the GOP debate doesn't matter anyway" as it sinks in that the stone cold blubbering moron known as Biden came out of this one without a busted lip and black eye.
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I didn't watch the whole thing, but my overall impressions are:
I think Biden did very well; he was aggressive and spoke well and didn't really let anything sneak past him; although I could have done with a little less joviality. Specific political positions aside, you have to give Joe Biden respect as a seasoned debater.
I think Paul Ryan did great; he had a couple of spots that I think he could have handled a bit better, but overall an impressive performance. the bit where he was asked for specifics and kept going back to pr-speak was painful, if only because it stood out against his otherwise excellent performance. He should have just said "I have 2 minutes; it's not nearly enough time to answer this. But I will make sure that the specifics are made available to you and the American people at our website by tomorrow morning."
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face it, a stone cold half-drunk moron just "tied" the most brilliant mind in the GOP.
Ryan should have spanked him. didn't happen.
I know, i know, suddenly "the GOP debate doesn't matter anyway" as it sinks in that the stone cold blubbering moron known as Biden came out of this one without a busted lip and black eye.
dont forget your helmet when you spin like this cracker jack!!!
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face it, a stone cold half-drunk moron just "tied" the most brilliant mind in the GOP.
Ryan should have spanked him. didn't happen.
I know, i know, suddenly "the GOP debate doesn't matter anyway" as it sinks in that the stone cold blubbering moron known as Biden came out of this one without a busted lip and black eye.
The topics didn't matter. There is a "real world," and it wasn't covered tonight. Politics shouldn't be like rooting for your favorite football team
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The topics didn't matter. There is a "real world," and it wasn't covered tonight. Politics shouldn't be like rooting for your favorite football team
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after debate #1,
many repubs were claiming victory
NO dems were claiming victory.
After debate #2,
many dems are claiming victory.
no repubs are claiming victory.
#1 was a blowout, but this one would probably go to biden if we had to pick. I guess we'll see what the polls say.
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FOX news is giving biden props. and a few backhanded comments too.
msnbc popping champagne, claiming an outright win.
Figures that you and msnbc applaudes that type of bs. TYPICAL
Biden made a complete ass out of himself.
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Figures that you and msnbc applaudes that type of bs. TYPICAL
Biden made a complete ass out of himself.
Did Paul Ryan win the debate, 333386?
CBS news poll of undecided voters: WHo won the debate?
50% Biden
31% Paul Ryan
19% Tie
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The topics didn't matter. There is a "real world," and it wasn't covered tonight. Politics shouldn't be like rooting for your favorite football team
This. Hard for Ryan to shine when they ignored the issues he's good at, which ironically are the issues that the country SHOULD be focusing on. Economy in the shorter? Who cares, let's talk about your religion or abortion.
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Did Paul Ryan win the debate, 333386?
Both lost.
Biden for making a complete ass of himself
Ryan for not sticking up for himself and telling biden to STFU
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This. Hard for Ryan to shine when they ignored the issues he's good at, which ironically are the issues that the country SHOULD be focusing on. Economy in the shorter? Who cares, let's talk about your religion or abortion.
But 240 says he should have kicked his ass!!!!!!!!! ::)
Further proving just how fucking stupid the majority of people posting on this board are.
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Both lost.
If a stud like Ryan - the smartest man in the GOP - can't beat Biden - the biggest buffoon in the Dems -
That's just sad. Biden getting embarassed was a foregone conclusion.
i'm not saying Ryan did a bad job. He did a fine job. But Biden did a better job. Polls are starting to agree.
Getting a tie with a complete moron = A loss.
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Did Paul Ryan win the debate, 333386?
CBS news poll of undecided voters: WHo won the debate?
50% Biden
31% Paul Ryan
19% Tie
Ryan should have practiced debating at a local bar to get ready for Biden because that's where he lives.
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If a stud like Ryan - the smartest man in the GOP - can't beat Biden - the biggest buffoon in the Dems -
That's just sad. Biden getting embarassed was a foregone conclusion.
i'm not saying Ryan did a bad job. He did a fine job. But Biden did a better job. Polls are starting to agree.
Getting a tie with a complete moron = A loss.
How so? Ryan answered like he was supposed to. Would you rather he sat there laughing and interrupting like Biden?
Everything with you and politics screams "American Idol", you fucking stupid sheeple. ::)
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Did Paul Ryan win the debate, 333386?
CBS news poll of undecided voters: WHo won the debate?
50% Biden
31% Paul Ryan
19% Tie
cnn
48% ryan
44% biden
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cnn
48% ryan
44% biden
the brightest man in the GOP has managed to keep it within margin of error "tie" with the biggest jackass the dem party has every known.
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the brightest man in the GOP has managed to keep it within margin of error "tie" with the biggest jackass the dem party has every known.
Yes, how dare he not start cackling like an idiot and interrupting him every 15 seconds. It's funny how you fail to realize how stupid your posts are right now.
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the brightest man in the GOP has managed to keep it within margin of error "tie" with the biggest jackass the dem party has every known.
cnn said that this is first time in common memory when the incumbent VP hasnt won the debate.
if thats true Id say thats a win, wouldnt you?
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cnn said that this is first time in common memory when the incumbent VP hasnt won the debate.
if thats true Id say thats a win, wouldnt you?
Edwards won in 2004:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election_debates,_2004
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Edwards won in 2004:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election_debates,_2004
According to who? The article itself quotes SurveyUSA saying Cheney won. Do you read ANYTHING you post or talk about?
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Edwards won in 2004:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election_debates,_2004
FOX NEWS' CHRIS WALLACE: I've Never Seen A Candidate As Disrespectful As Joe Biden Was Tonight
Brett LoGiurato|23 minutes ago|989|11
Fox News anchor Chris Wallace hammered Vice President Joe Biden's excessive smiling and laughing during the debate, saying that he's never seen anyone be so disrespectful in a presidential or vice presidential debate.
And Wallace said that he'd seen most of them — all but the first four in 1960. He called his demeanor "unprecedented."
"I don't believe I've ever seen a debate in which one participant was as openly disrespectful of the other as Biden was to Paul Ryan tonight," Wallace said.
He added: It was openly contemptuous and disrespectful."
Watch the video below:
Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/chris-wallace-joe-biden-debate-reaction-smiling-smirking-laughing-2012-10#ixzz293GbfK1q
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According to who? The article itself quotes SurveyUSA saying Cheney won. Do you read ANYTHING you post or talk about?
you skipped this one to copy the one you posted:
CBS News interviewed a nationally representative sample of 178 uncommitted debate-watchers. The sample was of voters who are either undecided about whom to vote for or who have a weak preference that could be changed. Of the group 41 percent said Edwards won the debate, 28 said Cheney won, and 31 percent thought it was a tie. Both uncommitted men and uncommitted women preferred Edwards.[14]
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you skipped this one to copy the one you posted:
CBS News interviewed a nationally representative sample of 178 uncommitted debate-watchers. The sample was of voters who are either undecided about whom to vote for or who have a weak preference that could be changed. Of the group 41 percent said Edwards won the debate, 28 said Cheney won, and 31 percent thought it was a tie. Both uncommitted men and uncommitted women preferred Edwards.[14]
You're really referencing a poll with a sample size of 178? Get the fuck out of here, you fucking retard. ::)
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You're really referencing a poll with a sample size of 178? Get the fuck out of here, you fucking retard. ::)
240's posts lately are worse than ever. The level of kneepadding has gotten even beyond anything i thought he was capable of.
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you skipped this one to copy the one you posted:
CBS News interviewed a nationally representative sample of 178 uncommitted debate-watchers. The sample was of voters who are either undecided about whom to vote for or who have a weak preference that could be changed. Of the group 41 percent said Edwards won the debate, 28 said Cheney won, and 31 percent thought it was a tie. Both uncommitted men and uncommitted women preferred Edwards.[14]
is that the same CBS that has ryan getting this shit beat out of him by biden?
hahahaha are you wearing your helmet?
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CNN Poll on debate winner: Ryan 48%, Biden 44%
CNN Political Unit
(CNN) – A CNN poll of debate watchers released following Thursday's matchup between Rep. Paul Ryan and Vice President Joe Biden showed 48% of respondents named Ryan the winner and 44% said Biden won.
The margin between the two candidates was within the poll's five point sampling error.
A poll taken immediately after last week's first presidential debate showed a much more decisive victory for Mitt Romney. Sixty seven percent of debate watchers questioned said that the Republican nominee won the faceoff, with one in four saying that President Barack Obama was victorious.
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CNN Poll on debate winner: Ryan 48%, Biden 44%
CNN Political Unit
(CNN) – A CNN poll of debate watchers released following Thursday's matchup between Rep. Paul Ryan and Vice President Joe Biden showed 48% of respondents named Ryan the winner and 44% said Biden won.
The margin between the two candidates was within the poll's five point sampling error.
A poll taken immediately after last week's first presidential debate showed a much more decisive victory for Mitt Romney. Sixty seven percent of debate watchers questioned said that the Republican nominee won the faceoff, with one in four saying that President Barack Obama was victorious.
Lol. I've seen 6 different polls posted on this forum, 3 with Ryan winning and 3 with Biden winning. WTF.
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Lol. I've seen 6 different polls posted on this forum, 3 with Ryan winning and 3 with Biden winning. WTF.
It was a mess overall.
Ryan was way too timid but he was composed and mature. Biden was a rambling drunk blohard. The moderator sucked
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CNN Poll on debate winner: Ryan 48%, Biden 44%
CNN Political Unit
(CNN) – A CNN poll of debate watchers released following Thursday's matchup between Rep. Paul Ryan and Vice President Joe Biden showed 48% of respondents named Ryan the winner and 44% said Biden won.
The margin between the two candidates was within the poll's five point sampling error.
A poll taken immediately after last week's first presidential debate showed a much more decisive victory for Mitt Romney. Sixty seven percent of debate watchers questioned said that the Republican nominee won the faceoff, with one in four saying that President Barack Obama was victorious.
Sorry but Ryan was way too timid....he let this turn into a barfight and that's something Biden is always going to win that one. Ryan got beaten in this one.
There's 2 more debates between Obama and Romney but at this point so near election day, I'm not sure what difference will make
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Sorry but Ryan was way too timid....he let this turn into a barfight and that's something Biden is always going to win that one. Ryan got beaten in this one.
There's 2 more debates between Obama and Romney but at this point so near election day, I'm not sure what difference will make
LMFAO youre making my point
biden fired up his base, ie morons such as yourself
he also acted like a jack ass and didnt have much substance, this will push independents away!!!
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@CNBC: [POLL RESULTS] Who do you think won the VP Debate? Paul Ryan: 56%, Joe Biden: 36%, Neither: 8%.
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Biden showing way more balls than Obama did. Made a good point about the hour long disussion.
I think he is beinga horses ass, a little goofy, but he does look like the grownup on the stage.
He showed more balls, indeed. Unfortunately, on Libya and on Obama's record, Ryan kneed him right in those balls.
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@CNBC: [POLL RESULTS] Who do you think won the VP Debate? Paul Ryan: 56%, Joe Biden: 36%, Neither: 8%.
Yeah but MSNBC says its a clear cut victory for Biden, you know, cause he acted like a tool.
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Yeah but MSNBC says its a clear cut victory for Biden, you know, cause he acted like a tool.
Funny because that's exactly what 240 is saying, too.
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Yeah but MSNBC says its a clear cut victory for Biden, you know, cause he acted like a tool.
Biden was beyond rude and a jerk. It was his strategy i think to get ryan to bite.
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Funny because that's exactly what 240 is saying, too.
MSNBC thinks screamers and blohards are the winners, so no wonder they liked the debate and 240 is jerking off right now to this.
It was a complete waste of time tonight.
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Yeah but MSNBC says its a clear cut victory for Biden, you know, cause he acted like a tool.
Gee, the red-headed stepchild of cable news (which probably is dead last in the ratings.....AGAIN....on covering events like this) thought Biden won. ::)
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Biden was beyond rude and a jerk. It was his strategy i think to get ryan to bite.
And Ryan bite hard. You don't get into a barfight with the town drunk...you're only going to get a broken beer bottle up your ass....
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And Ryan bite hard. You don't get into a barfight with the town drunk...you're only going to get a broken beer bottle up your ass....
Leaving the bar, being carried out by your friends, with your mouth split wide open, and saying you won is quite delusional too. And that's basically what happened to Biden (especially when you land more punches but the ones your opponent lands are more devastating).
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LIVE Fact Check: The Joe Biden Lie Detector
by Joel B. Pollak
11 Oct 2012, 2:00
Welcome to the Joe Biden Lie Detector - we'll be updating this post throughout the debate and the aftermath. You can also follow along on Twitter for updates and spin-off debates by searching for #BidenLieDetector.
5:00 p.m EDT
Long before the Vice Presidential debate began, the Obama campaign tried to smear Rep. Paul Ryan as a liar. It's a "low-rent" tactic, an attempt to avoid debate--and a lie in itself, since Ryan is one of the most honest politicians in America. It's also a classic case of psychological projection--since Vice President Biden has been a master of malarkey his whole life, and lied his way through the 2008 debate against Gov. Sarah Palin.
Tonight, Biden has promised to do better. He told reporters yesterday that he would not say "anything in the debate that's not completely accurate." So, we're going to hold Uncle Joe to that 100% standard. Stay tuned.
7:55 p.m. EDT
The Obama campaign has been sending fundraising e-mails all day describing Paul Ryan as dishonest and touting Joe Biden's truth-telling--all while subtly lowering expectations for the debate. The latest one, sent under Joe Biden's own name, begins as follows:
Friend --
I told Barack I have one mission tonight: tell the truth and stand up for what we believe in.
Our side is always going to win when we do that.
It continues:
I can't predict if Paul Ryan will follow Mitt Romney's lead tonight, hiding and flat-out denying their unpopular ideas, or if he'll come prepared to have a real debate about where this country should go.
Trust me, I'm ready for anything, but I can't do this alone....
One of the reasons President Barack Obama lost last week's debate was that Gov. Mitt Romney called him out on the Obama campaign's lie about Romney's "$5 trillion" tax cut. But it's Romney and Ryan who are the liars?
More than an hour to go until the debate--and Biden's lying already.
9:07 p.m. EDT
Biden turns a question on Libya into an answer on Iraq and Afghanistan. He attacks Romney for saying that we should have left 30,000 troops in Iraq. That was roughly Obama's position in the 2008 campaign. His abrupt decision to pull all troops out--after the collapse of talks with the Iraqi government, in which Biden himself failed in his diplomacy--was against the advice of America's military leaders and was purely political.
9:12 p.m. EDT
Biden says that President Obama has "gone out and repaired out alliances so that the rest of the world follows that again." Tell that to Poland, Libya, the Czech Republic... he follows up that lie with a stark accusation that Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan "bet against America all the time."
Challenged by the moderator to explain the Libya debacle, Biden claims that the administration did not know that the attack on the consulate was a terror attack, repeating the administration's false line on Libya. And doing so with conviction.
Ryan calls Biden on his lie about how there were no requests for extra security--though he does not address Biden directly.
9:15 p.m. EDT
Biden lies about Romney and Ryan's position on Iran, saying that sanctions are as strong as they can possibly be (of course they are, if you ignore the waivers for Russia and China, and the fact--alluded to by Ryan--that the administration dragged its feet on sanctions). He states that Romney and Ryan would not do more than the Obama administration--and suggests that they would drag the U.S. into a war.
Responding on Israel, Biden tries to defend Obama's failure to meet Netanyahu, calling Ryan's charge of neglect "a bunch of stuff"--though it is, of course, true.
9:27 p.m. EDT
Biden claims the Obama administration rescued the auto industry, and that Romney said the auto companies should be allowed to go bankrupt. He neglects the fact that the Obama administration, too, took the industry through bankruptcy--after making sure its union friends were well looked after.
Biden also claims the administration passed a "middle class tax cut"--there was no such cut, at least in terms of tax rates, which is how the term "tax cut" is typically understood.
Biden goes after Ryan's "30%" argument--as Breitbart News predicted he would--and leaves out what Ryan actually said. It's an attack by proxy on Romney's "47 percent" remark--and falls rather flat.
9:29 p.m. EDT
The GOP rapid response team replies to Biden's claim that Ryan would have cut funding for embassy security by citing State Department testimony that budgetary constraints had nothing to do with the security deployments in Benghazi. As Ryan said, it was the specific denial of requests for more security personnel that were the problem. Both could also have added that Obama's sequester proposal calls for embassy security cuts.
9:35 p.m. EDT
Biden claims that Ryan and his Republican colleagues helped create the deficit problem by voting for two wars on the "credit card." Biden, of course, voted for both of those wars.
Biden also tries to blunt Ryan's criticism of the stimulus by citing two letters that he wrote in support of grant seekers from his congressional district. He claims that Ryan praised the stimulus program and cited its potential for growth in those letters. There is no evidence that Ryan said any such thing.
9:37 p.m. EDT
Biden claims that Sarah Palin spoke about "death panels" in their Vice Presidential debate in 2008. A quick look at the transcript reveals she did no such thing.
9:41 p.m. EDT
Biden can't handle the truth--he says "there's not one Democrat" that supports Ryan's Medicare reform plan. He denies that Ryan worked with Sen. Ron Wyden (D-OR) or former Clinton budget director Alice Rivlin. He mutters throughout Ryan's response that they have disavowed Ryan's plan. There is no evidence of that at all.
9:45 p.m. EDT
Biden misrepresents his and Obama's tax plan, citing it as a tax on "millionaires" that would preserve tax cuts for the middle class. Of course, the tax hike would apply to households earning $250,000 or more, which includes many of the people who report small business income as personal income tax, and account for millions of jobs. This is an old lie, and Biden sticks to it.
9:48 p.m. EDT
Not a point on facts, but on style--Biden used his stature well earlier in the debate but appears to be damaging himself with his constant smirks, his interruptions, his chuckles and his general contempt for his opponent. This is a mistake that Al Gore made in 2000, and it's surprising to see Biden doing it here. It's losing the debate for him.
9:51 p.m. EDT
50 minutes into the debate, and Biden has used the word "malarkey" twice at least, by my count. It's the "tell" that indicates who's really lying.
9:57 p.m. EDT
It's getting hard to keep track of the false things Biden says--and the number of true statements by Ryan to which Biden has offered false objections--because of the frequency of his interruptions. The moderator, Martha Raddatz, just teamed up with Biden to prevent Ryan from answering a question about his budget. It was an extraordinary exchange--or harangue--in which Ryan waited for his opponent to stop ranting.
Ryan could win on composure alone.
Biden's behavior may impress the Ed Schultz's of the world, or people who think that he had to compensate for Obama's poor substance last week by coming out with an aggressive style. But Biden has overcompensated, and many of the media comments on Twitter seem very worried about that.
10:01 p.m. EDT
Ryan calls out Biden's false statement that the U.S. succeeding in its primary objective in Afghanistan. This is exactly what CBS News' Lara Logan was talking about earlier this week when she said that the administration was lying about the progress it has made.
10:06 p.m. EDT
Biden is touting the devolution of military responsibility to "trained Afghan personnel" as evidence that the U.S. is succeeding. This is not just a false argument, but a stupid one, because of the striking increase in "green-on-blue" attacks in which those trained Afghan personnel kill our trained American personnel.
10:10 p.m. EDT
Biden says that Romney has not outlined his policy towards Syria, accusing him of offering mere "verbiage." Perhaps he's been too deep into reading Ryan's Young Guns this week to notice that Romney outlined specific policies towards Syria in a special foreign policy address on Monday.
10:15 p.m. EDT
Biden persists with the false claim that Romney and Ryan have not spelled out what they would do differently on foreign policy issues such as Syria. Ryan, exasperated, repeats what he said about refusing to call Syrian dictator Bashar Assad a "reformer" while he is slaughtering his people--and adds, while agreeing with some of what the Obama administration has done, that he would not wait for Russia to give the green light at the UN. Biden's response is that no one is looking to do things through the UN--a blatant lie. The UN is at the center of the Obama administration's foreign policy--on Syria. Libya, and much else besides.
10:19 p.m. EDT
"That is a fact," Biden says, as he concludes his lie about the Obama administration's position on religious institutions being forced to provide insurance to cover conception.
He then adds a line about Ryan supporting a definition of "forcible rape" as opposed to "rape"--an attempt to tie Ryan to Todd Akin in Missouri, and also a lie that we debunked back in August.
10:23 p.m. EDT
Given an opportunity to rise above the negativity of the campaign, Biden merely repeats the Obama machine's attack line--including the lie that Romney and Ryan would not ask the rich to pay their fair share. In fact, the rich already pay a disproportionate amount of tax--disproportionate even to their disproportionate wealth--and yet Romney and Ryan are not lowering their taxes.
10:27 p.m. EDT
Biden attacks Ryan's budgets with a series of lies about the programs and funding that will be cut, as well as tax cuts that he proposes. Ryan points out that his budget does not actually cut government spending, but slows the rate of growth to 3%. He adds that not raising taxes is not the same thing as cutting taxes. Biden uses the line about voting for wars that were not paid for--and Ryan points out, amidst the crosstalk, that Biden voted for those wars.
10:29 p.m. EDT
Biden has complained--for the third or fourth time--that he is not receiving as much time to speak as Ryan. In fact, as CNN's debate clock shows, Biden has had more time--over a minute more, in fact, and he has never had less time than Ryan throughout the debate.
10:34 p.m. EDT
Biden has, once again, lied through a debate--and he has also managed to smirk through it, betraying a contempt for his opponent that is almost disqualifying and that managed to outrage even friendly media.
10:50 p.m. EDT
The media commentary is focusing on two major Biden lies: one, that the Obama administration was never asked for more security in Benghazi (it was, as we now know from testimony to Congress this week); and two, that Obamacare's cuts to Medicare do not cut benefits (they do, as Ryan pointed out in his response).
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It was a mess overall.
Ryan was way too timid but he was composed and mature. Biden was a rambling drunk blohard. The moderator sucked
You said ryan and biden both lost, dude.
i admire that honesty.
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MSNBC thinks screamers and blohards are the winners, so no wonder they liked the debate and 240 is jerking off right now to this.
It was a complete waste of time tonight.
240 is a fucking loser and a weasel.
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Leaving the bar, being carried out by your friends, with your mouth split wide open, and saying you won is quite delusional too. And that's basically what happened to Biden (especially when you land more punches but the ones your opponent lands are more devastating).
Biden did what Obama didn't do....he got in the 47% comment Romney makes, made Paul Ryan admit to asking for stimulus money, cut him off in conversation, mocked him, laughed at his comments, and made some nasty unanswered backhand remarks.
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Biden did what Obama didn't do....he got in the 47% comment Romney makes, made Paul Ryan admit to asking for stimulus money, cut him off in conversation, mocked him, laughed at his comments, and made some nasty unanswered backhand remarks.
and you think that will sway independent voters?
if youre trying to fire up your base this close to election which is what biden was doing, you have serious problems...
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and you think that will sway independent voters?
if youre trying to fire up your base this close to election which is what biden was doing, you have serious problems...
Independent voters will go whatever they go.....at this point, its best to get your base fired up.
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;D
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Independent voters will go whatever they go.....at this point, its best to get your base fired up.
hahaha your base should already be fired you you dip shit, ITS 3 WEEKS BEFORE THE ELECTION!!!!
youre vying for the undecided voters
speaking of the neighborhood drunk, how much you been drinking tonight?
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;D
Lolz.
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Biden did what Obama didn't do....he got in the 47% comment Romney makes, made Paul Ryan admit to asking for stimulus money, cut him off in conversation, mocked him, laughed at his comments, and made some nasty unanswered backhand remarks.
I know that. Unfortunately for the left, that 47% comment has had virtually NO EFFECT on Romney, as it relates to his surge. As Charles Krauthammer put it last week, Romney destroyed hundreds of millions of dollars of Obama attack ads in a span of 5 minutes, during their debate.
As for Ryan taking stimulus money, he works for his constituents. They ASKED for the stimulus and, what a surprise ::) , the lion's share of it went to Obama's cronies in the public sector, particularly the unions. Very little went to the private sector.
The liberals keep deluding themselves into thinking the 47% comment will sink Romney's campaign. It's done nothing of sort. And if 3 of 4 polls I've seen to date have Ryan winning, DESPITE Biden's nastiness, that's more money and political capital down the drain for Team Obama.
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hahaha your base should already be fired you you dip shit, ITS 3 WEEKS BEFORE THE ELECTION!!!!
youre vying for the undecided voters
speaking of the neighborhood drunk, how much you been drinking tonight?
I read earlier today (or technically yesterday) that Obama is trying to rally BLACK voters in North Carolina. Since WHEN did Obama need to pump the African-American masses?
When Obama has to energize a demographic that would normally vote for Satan himself, if a "D" is by his name, you KNOW he's got major problems.
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I read earlier today (or technically yesterday) that Obama is trying to rally BLACK voters in North Carolina. Since WHEN did Obama need to pump the African-American masses?
When Obama has to energize a demographic that would normally vote for Satan himself, if a "D" is by his name, you KNOW he's got major problems.
What obama has done to black americans is cRIMINAL!
I truly feel bad for good decent black people who were conned by obama. I know many. He lied to to them in 2008 and put them in an untennable position
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What obama has done to black americans is cRIMINAL!
I truly feel bad for good decent black people who were conned by obama. I know many. He lied to to them in 2008 and put them in an untennable position
Have you heard what the left-winged goofies did to actress Stacey Dash, who supports Romney now but voted for Obama in 2008?
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Have you heard what the left-winged goofies did to actress Stacey Dash, who supports Romney now but voted for Obama in 2008?
Yes - and guess what - made two donations asap - mia love and allen west.
Funny too - West & love are the only two i am donating to this election.
Allen West is to me the ideal person EVER to run and Mia Love is awesime
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Speaking time: Biden 41mins 32secs / Ryan 40mins 12secs
How many times did each candidate say "fact" or "facts"? Biden 28 times; Ryan once.
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Speaking time: Biden 41mins 32secs / Ryan 40mins 12secs
How many times did each candidate say "fact" or "facts"? Biden 28 times; Ryan once.
Like a moron you kneepad Biden. Par for the course.
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Speaking time: Biden 41mins 32secs / Ryan 40mins 12secs
How many times did each candidate say "fact" or "facts"? Biden 28 times; Ryan once.
Lol, 100 dollars says that Ryan actually spit more facts than Biden, just judging from people I know.
Generally when someone says "fact" in relation to their comments, they are in fact, not facts.
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Independent voters will go whatever they go.....at this point, its best to get your base fired up.
Wrong....no...incorrect. ..not the way to go. If you're "firing up your base" at this point you're toast. Besides...polling suggests that majority of voters have made up their minds and not open to changing them..it's the late undecideds and leaners who'll decide this race (as they usually do) coming off as the drunk, loud uncle and alienating the people you have to get to fall your way is suicide
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Romney got Billy Graham's blessing today during a swing through NC...Graham's pledge to "do whatever I can to help you " should bolster Romney's standing with conservative christians who may have been hesitant to support Romney on religious grounds...
NC ad FL were Obama's best hopes to win a soouthern state (although I don't how "southern" FL really is). Neither look good for him right now...
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240's posts lately are worse than ever. The level of kneepadding has gotten even beyond anything i thought he was capable of.
your ability to be objective is nonexistent
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240's posts lately are worse than ever. The level of kneepadding has gotten even beyond anything i thought he was capable of.
i hope romey wins this election. but i can be honest with myself that ryan underachived tonight. Biden shouldn't have kept it this close. Biden is the biggest joke in american politics. period.
I admitted obama was demolished in debate #1. is that kneepadding?
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i hope romey wins this election. but i can be honest with myself that ryan underachived tonight. Biden shouldn't have kept it this close. Biden is the biggest joke in american politics. period.
I admitted obama was demolished in debate #1. is that kneepadding?
Ryan underachieved? Really? I thought his performance was pretty damn good.
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Ryan underachieved? Really? I thought his performance was pretty damn good.
It was good, not great.
My point is that he's among the smartest in the GOP. Biden is highly revered as a damn fool.
it shouldn't be close enough that we're arguing if it's a tie or not. Ryan should have trampled him.
If you put chris christie up there - woah - biden is still looking for his false teeth this morning lol.
Ryan did a fine job, and probably didn't do any damage - biden told some whoppers (particularly about benghazi), but ryan did also, about the middle class deductions (impossible to cut debt that much without going after them). Biden outlied him for sure.
I think it's the eiptome of the 2012 election Underachievement.
Romney should have whooped that field, not needed to outspend santorum 6-to-1 to win.
Romney should be up by 12 points nationally against a failure like obama.
Paul Ryan should have wrecked a mess like Biden.
That's all :)
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Ed Gillespie on morning joe - refusing to accuse biden of LYING about the request for more security for embassy.
This is the PERFECT CHANCE to attack obama/biden for ignoring their request for more help - we KNOW they asked for more security.
come on romney, grow a pair!
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240 is a fucking loser and a weasel.
This is your toughest thread ever.
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hahaha your base should already be fired you you dip shit, ITS 3 WEEKS BEFORE THE ELECTION!!!!
youre vying for the undecided voters
speaking of the neighborhood drunk, how much you been drinking tonight?
Ooh, you really got him good there.
I like this post because it shows what a tough guy you are.
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Lol, 100 dollars says that Ryan actually spit more facts than Biden, just judging from people I know.
Generally when someone says "fact" in relation to their comments, they are in fact, not facts.
Exactly.
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Ooh, you really got him good there.
I like this post because it shows what a tough guy you are.
Let it go already.
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Fact Check: Top Ten Worst Lies by Joe Biden in VP Debate
by Joel B. Pollak
12 Oct 2012, 5:28 AM
Once again, Joe Biden lied his way through a Vice Presidential debate--just as he did in his contest with Sarah Palin in 2008. This time, the media caught a few of Biden's worst "malarkey" moments--as did his opponent, Paul Ryan, when he could get a word in edgewise.
Here are the top ten worst lies told by Biden during the debate:
10. "With all due respect, that’s a bunch of malarkey....not a single thing he said is accurate." At the outset of the debate, Biden tried to paint Ryan as a liar--when Biden, in fact, was the one lying. Ryan had pointed out: 1) that the White House had distanced itself from the Cairo embassy's apologies on 9/11; 2) that Obama had failed to speak up for Iranian protestors in 2009; 3) that the Obama administration called Syria's dictator a "reformer"; 4) and that the Obama administration is imposing defense cuts and projecting weakness. All of that is true.
9. "The president has met with Bibi [Netanyahu] a dozen times....This is a bunch of stuff." While they have met several times--not a dozen--that includes a meeting at which Obama made the Israeli prime minister enter the White House through a back entrance, refused to take a picture with him, and left him on his own for dinner. Specifically, Ryan had criticized Obama's refusal to meet Netanyahu in New York last month, and to tape talk show interviews instead--a clear snub that sent the wrong signal, again, to Israel's enemies.
8. "Just let the taxes expire like they’re supposed to on those millionaires." Biden's "millionaires" are actually households earning more than $250,000 a year, which includes many middle-class families with two earners, and small business owners in particular who report business earnings as personal income. Biden and Obama have repeatedly labeled those earning over $250,000 as "millionaires and billionaires," distorting the actual impact of their tax plan on the non-millionaires it would hit hardest, who create a vast proportion of small business jobs.
7. "You know, I heard that death panel argument from Sarah Palin. It seems that every vice presidential debate, I hear this kind of stuff about panels." Biden's cheap shot against Palin was an attempt to diminish both her and the man sitting across from him. But Palin never talked about "death panels" in her debate with Biden, for the simple reason that Obamacare had not yet been proposed. Nor did Ryan mention "death panels"--he had addressed the undeniable fact that Obamacare proposes a board to impose cost controls.
6. "The congressman here cut embassy security in his budget by $300 million below what we asked for." Biden's lie about Ryan's budget was an attempt to dodge responsibility for lax embassy security--and to cover up that the Obama called for new cuts to embassy security just days after the 9/11 attacks. Ryan's proposal, which called for a 19% overall decrease in non-defense discretionary spending, does not even mention embassy security--the Obama campaign merely made up that number by applying 19% across the board.
5. "No, they are not four years closer to a nuclear weapon." Biden's attempt to lie about the glaring reality of the Iranian nuclear program fell flat. Iran is indeed four years closer to a nuclear weapon, and the Obama administration--believing it knew better than its predecessors--tried to reinvent the wheel on talks with Iran, causing frustration to our allies in Europe and the Middle East. Meeting after meeting this year has failed to produce results, and the loophole-filled sanctions, while hurting Iran somewhat, are not stopping its nuclear program.
4. "No religious institution, Catholic or otherwise...has to be a vehicle to get contraception in any insurance policy they provide. That is a fact." No, it is not a fact--it is the opposite of a fact, and saying "that is a fact" does not make it any less a blatant lie. The Obama administration is forcing religious institutions to provide contraceptive and abortion drugs through their insurance policies. That is the reason several dozen religious institutions are suing the administration to defend their First Amendment freedom of religion.
3. "It came from this man voting to put two wars on a credit card...I was there. I voted against him." Biden voted for both the Iraq war and the Afghanistan war. He did not vote for George W. Bush's plan to extend coverage of Medicare to prescription drugs (though he voted for an earlier, similar proposal), nor did he vote for the Bush tax cuts. But he voted for both of the wars he derided last night. To quote Bill Clinton's speech to the Democratic National Convention: "It takes some brass to attack a guy for doing what you did."
2. "What we did is we saved $716 billion and put it back -- applied it to Medicare." Biden repeated the lie the Obama administration has been telling since before Obamacare passed in 2010: that cuts to Medicare today were savings that extend the life of the program. They would be--if the same $716 billion wasn't also being used to pay for Obamacare. As Ryan pointed out in 2010, and again last night, you can't double-count the same cuts. Taking $716 billion out of Medicare means exactly that--and hurts, not helps, the program's solvency.
1. "Well, we weren’t told they wanted more security again." Biden lied through his teeth about the fact that the administration--specifically, the State Department--had been told again and again that security on the ground in Libya, and in Benghazi in particular, was inadequate. The day before, in Congressional hearings on the Libya attacks, former regional security director Eric Nordstrom described his frustration with having those requests turned down by the government bureaucracy: "For me the Taliban is on the inside of the building."
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Let it go already.
hahaha