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http://www.wnd.com/2012/10/oblivious-obama-not-behind-osama-raid
Wow.
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http://www.wnd.com/2012/10/oblivious-obama-not-behind-osama-raid
Wow.
So, we're supposed to believe that not only did politicians and political appointees scheme to hide information from the President and work behind his back, but that military personnel went along with this scheme, and worked behind the back of the Commander-in-Chief? Sounds like Obama is the least of our problems!
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So, we're supposed to believe that not only did politicians and political appointees scheme to hide information from the President and work behind his back, but that military personnel went along with this scheme, and worked behind the back of the Commander-in-Chief? Sounds like Obama is the least of our problems!
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It would take awhile for the intell to come together for the raid. Barry isn't briefed on every raid these guys do. Early planning was done without JCS approval. Once they had a pretty good feeling of who was there, I'm sure ol barry was briefed up and told what they had. They had to have a solid case before they briefed him and a solid plan with JSOC guys ready to go or in the advanced planning and rehearsal process. Once the weight of all this was put on his desk...he still wussed around until he couldn't really back out. Once you get to 3 and 4 star level its politics. They knew who they could trust within the admin to get approval. They knew Hil was in so maybe they let her know early, the Sec Def was in...so he made sure training areas and money was made available to these guys right away....wheeels were greased and then basically Barry was made an offer he couldn't refuse. Further...these raids happen allk the time...if it was a dry hole...u would never have known about it.
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So, we're supposed to believe that not only did politicians and political appointees scheme to hide information from the President and work behind his back, but that military personnel went along with this scheme, and worked behind the back of the Commander-in-Chief? Sounds like Obama is the least of our problems!
Yes - I read the NAVY Seal book that just came out - Obama had ZERO to do with anything.
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It would take awhile for the intell to come together for the raid. Barry isn't briefed on every raid these guys do. Early planning was done without JCS approval. Once they had a pretty good feeling of who was there, I'm sure ol barry was briefed up and told what they had. They had to have a solid case before they briefed him and a solid plan with JSOC guys ready to go or in the advanced planning and rehearsal process. Once the weight of all this was put on his desk...he still wussed around until he couldn't really back out. Once you get to 3 and 4 star level its politics. They knew who they could trust within the admin to get approval. They knew Hil was in so maybe they let her know early, the Sec Def was in...so he made sure training areas and money was made available to these guys right away....wheeels were greased and then basically Barry was made an offer he couldn't refuse. Further...these raids happen allk the time...if it was a dry hole...u would never have known about it.
Bingo - that is exactly what Marc Bissoneette wrote in his book who was on the raid.
That communist ghetto sewer drug addicted rat had nothing to do with it at all.
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I've got on my kindle....I need to get to it. Its either that or Arnold's bio.
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Yes - I read the NAVY Seal book that just came out - Obama had ZERO to do with anything.
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How would a SEAL on the ground kickin' ass in pakistan have any idea of what role Obama (in DC) had in the decision-making behind ordering the operation?
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They know whats going on....and Ol barry was very very veyr quick to take all the credit for this. Unless you're a retard it was obvious Barry wanted nothing to do with this and had insulated himself if it failed.....then comes roaring out when it suceeds. Why do you defend a guy who has run the country into the ground. You're a lib...embrace it, own it.
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I did just figure out this iBooks thing.
maybe i will read it :)
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These guys aren't just Seals....even at my level we hear whats going on in DC based on decisions we need to do our jobs. We're hearing that if barry is losing the election they're gonna cut more troops or make the announcement. Its far enough along that we're having to plan for the surge of outgoing units now should that have to happen.
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WND EXCLUSIVE
'Oblivious' Obama not behind Osama raid
Maj. Gen. Paul Vallely reveals name of leader who authorized operation
Published: 14 hours ago
The decision to raid Osama bin Laden’s compound in Pakistan and kill him was made without President Obama – and actually was kept from him until after the helicopters already were in Pakistani airspace – according to a new report from a retired major general who cites a senior intelligence source.
The raid was handled by Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, Director of Central Intelligence Leon Panetta and others in this way because Obama had vetoed multiple earlier opportunities to attack the man behind the 9/11 terror attacks, the report said.
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The report comes from U.S. Army Maj. Gen. Paul E. Vallely, who retired in 1993 as deputy commanding general, Pacific Command, and has served as a senior military analyst for Fox News. He is now chairman of Stand Up America, which calls itself the standard bearer for the conservancy of the U.S. Constitution.
The group has briefed the FBI, Congress, law enforcement and other agencies on terrorism and “anything that affects the life, liberty and pursuit of happiness of our citizenry and way of life.”
In a column published today by WND, Vallely said a “senior and sensitive intelligence community source” affirmed to a Stand Up America research team that Obama “did not know of the raid in Abbottabad to kill Osama bin Laden on May 1, 2011, until after the helicopters with SEAL Team 6 had crossed into Pakistani airspace.”
The source said Obama was notified “at the golf course … which is why he was sitting in the strange sitting position in the picture that documented the White House operations room event.”
The source told Stand Up America that Panetta “was the key player who organized and supported this daring raid.”
“He signed the ‘execute orders’ with only a few people aware: Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, Secretary of Defense Robert Gates, Adm. Bill Mullen and Gen. David Petraeus.”
The source explained the White House “was closed out of the decision because the president, through Valerie Jarrett, had turned down two or three other earlier proposals.”
Panetta, Vallely’s source reported, “and his covert planning team were extremely frustrated at all the denials, so saw the opportunity slipping away, as implausible as it seems.”
The report said Panetta convinced his other principals to make the decision and received their full-fledged support but the president, according to the official, “remained clueless on the mission.”
“This tremendously serious and sensitive information was relayed by a source who has been very frustrated with the continued dishonesty within the White House,” Vallely reported.
Vallely, who served in Vietnam and retired in 1991 from the U.S. Army as deputy commanding general for the Pacific, previously has called for “We the People” to stop the nation’s “progressive socialist, treasonous death march.”
He graduated from West Point and was commissioned in the Army in 1961. He served in theaters in Europe and the Pacific Rim and saw two tours of combat duty in Vietnam.
CBS has reported that “Obama’s decision to send operatives after Osama bin Laden” was described by White House counter-terrorism adviser John Brennan as “one of the most gutsiest calls of any president.”
However, the Mail Online in London reported a book by Richared Miniter documented that three “kill” missions were canceled by Obama in January, February and March of 2011.
The SEAL mission was in May 2011.
Miniter reported it was Jarrett who kept urging Obama to cancel plans to get bin Laden.
The Ulsterman Report blog earlier said Obama did not make the attack decision.
That blog said, “He can say he did and the people who really know what happened are inside the Pentagon, are in the military and the military isn’t allowed to speak out against the commander-in-chief so his secret is safe.”
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They know whats going on....and Ol barry was very very veyr quick to take all the credit for this. Unless you're a retard it was obvious Barry wanted nothing to do with this and had insulated himself if it failed.....then comes roaring out when it suceeds. Why do you defend a guy who has run the country into the ground. You're a lib...embrace it, own it.
Lol... Ill ask my Brother about how much input 1 individual has on an operation. Im grateful for what you do as a warrior for my countryand freedom, but im calling bullshit on this one. And you worded this post very interestingly. "very quick to take all the credit"... Dude you cant quantify ALL the credit... as if he said he pulled the trigger on OBL.... also "he would have blah blah blah IF it would have failed."
And 3333 shut up.
You can get 2 reports on one situation but if the 1 report that shows Obama in the worst light is the one you run with.. Thats called making a decision about something before you get facts... Children and Idiots operate like that...
Now that is all.... i got work to do
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Lol... Ill ask my Brother about how much input 1 individual has on an operation. Im grateful for what you do as a warrior for my countryand freedom, but im calling bullshit on this one. And you worded this post very interestingly. "very quick to take all the credit"... Dude you cant quantify ALL the credit... as if he said he pulled the trigger on OBL.... also "he would have blah blah blah IF it would have failed."
And 3333 shut up.
You can get 2 reports on one situation but if the 1 report that shows Obama in the worst light is the one you run with.. Thats called making a decision about something before you get facts... Children and Idiots operate like that...
Now that is all.... i got work to do
STFU - we discussed this at the time - Obama and Jarrett canceled the raid 3 times and was forced into it.
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STFU - we discussed this at the time - Obama and Jarrett canceled the raid 3 times and was forced into it.
more right wing nut talk coming from the king of bullshit ,mr 200 million a day, your sources are shit as usual
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They know whats going on....and Ol barry was very very veyr quick to take all the credit for this. Unless you're a retard it was obvious Barry wanted nothing to do with this and had insulated himself if it failed.....then comes roaring out when it suceeds. Why do you defend a guy who has run the country into the ground. You're a lib...embrace it, own it.
We post on Getbig and read the internet so we know better than you do.
Signed,
Getdumb's Leftist Brigade
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We post on Getbig and read the internet so we know better than you do.
Signed,
Getdumb's Leftist Brigade
Same can be said for the Ultra-Right
Would you like examples?
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Same can be said for the Ultra-Right
Would you like examples?
That has nothing whatsoever to do with this thread but if you want to humor yourself, be my guest. Chances are I won't bother reading your post, though.
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That has nothing whatsoever to do with this thread but if you want to humor yourself, be my guest. Chances are I won't bother reading your post, though.
I know... ;)
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I know... ;)
There is one example you won't have to hunt for. :D
Funny that the people whining about Obama getting credit for killing OBL while he "wasn't there" or "he didn't pull the trigger" are the same twatwaffles giving OBL credit for 9-11 when in fact "OBL was never on any of the planes". Hypocrisy is like flypaper for idiots.
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Yes - I read the NAVY Seal book that just came out - Obama had ZERO to do with anything.
Oh... if you read a book by "Mark Owen (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Tz6yzK0pSU)" well, that changes everything! ::)
Notice how now the Pentagon has not done shit against the NAVY Seal who wrote the book and told the truth?
Face it - that scumbag terrorist POTUS you love has nothing to run on and everything to run from.
Ahh yes, the absence of any action against the author. Why, that's proof positive that what the book says is true!
These guys aren't just Seals....even at my level we hear whats going on in DC based on decisions we need to do our jobs. We're hearing that if barry is losing the election they're gonna cut more troops or make the announcement. Its far enough along that we're having to plan for the surge of outgoing units now should that have to happen.
I don't know what your "level" is, but if you are still naive enough to believe what what you hear as gossip is necessarily true, I'd venture a guess that it's somewhere between "washing the dishes" and "cleaning the latrine."
WND EXCLUSIVE
Hmm... a WND EXCLUSIVE! Impressive. But I still have some doubts...
The Ulsterman Report blog earlier said Obama did not make the attack decision.
Oh my god! The Ulsterman Report? REALLY? IT SAID THAT? WOW!
That blog said, “He can say he did and the people who really know what happened are inside the Pentagon, are in the military and the military isn’t allowed to speak out against the commander-in-chief so his secret is safe.”
Well, I can't argue with that. I mean, the blog said it! And not just any blog, mind you. It's the Ulsterman Report blog! I'm convinced.
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There is one example you won't have to hunt for. :D
Funny that the people whining about Obama getting credit for killing OBL while he "wasn't there" or "he didn't pull the trigger" are the same twatwaffles giving OBL credit for 9-11 when in fact "OBL was never on any of the planes". Hypocrisy is like flypaper for idiots.
This!!
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Lol... Ill ask my Brother about how much input 1 individual has on an operation. Im grateful for what you do as a warrior for my countryand freedom, but im calling bullshit on this one. And you worded this post very interestingly. "very quick to take all the credit"... Dude you cant quantify ALL the credit... as if he said he pulled the trigger on OBL.... also "he would have blah blah blah IF it would have failed."
And 3333 shut your monkey ass up.
You can get 2 reports on one situation but if the 1 report that shows Obama in the worst light is the one you run with.. Thats called making a decision about something before you get facts... Children and Idiots operate like that...
Now that is all.... i got work to do
Your brother is on a very different (read: lower) level than the guys they're talking about. SEAL's at the absolute top level have a lot more intel than a grunt in a Marine infantry unit. Their information comes through a much shorter chain than your average military unit.
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Oh... if you read a book by "Mark Owen (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Tz6yzK0pSU)" well, that changes everything! ::)
Ahh yes, the absence of any action against the author. Why, that's proof positive that what the book says is true!
I don't know what your "level" is, but if you are still naive enough to believe what what you hear as gossip is necessarily true, I'd venture a guess that it's somewhere between "washing the dishes" and "cleaning the latrine."
Hmm... a WND EXCLUSIVE! Impressive. But I still have some doubts...
Oh my god! The Ulsterman Report? REALLY? IT SAID THAT? WOW!
Well, I can't argue with that. I mean, the blog said it! And not just any blog, mind you. It's the Ulsterman Report blog! I'm convinced.
:D :D :D :D :D most of 333386 shit comes from far right sites or india
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I don't know what your "level" is, but if you are still naive enough to believe what what you hear as gossip is necessarily true, I'd venture a guess that it's somewhere between "washing the dishes" and "cleaning the latrine."
I think HH6 is a full bird Colonel and is/was attached to an armor unit.
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I think HH6 is a full bird Colonel and is/was attached to an armor unit.
If so, someone like him, should not be naive enough to believe and accept gossip at face value.
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Your brother is on a very different (read: lower) level than the guys they're talking about. SEAL's at the absolute top level have a lot more intel than a grunt in a Marine infantry unit. Their information comes through a much shorter chain than your average military unit.
My brother is Marine Force Recon. Its still SOC. And not a grunt infantry unit.
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http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2962926/posts
Bbboooommmm.
Fuck Obama
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http://www.showbiz411.com/2012/11/25/review-kathryn-bigelow-zero-dark-thirty-exposes-bin-laden-hunt-and-kill
F Obama f Mobacca. F the disgusting commie extended family.
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I don't doubt this but I'd like more info on the General's source. It sure does look like Obama is wearing golf clothes under that jacket, lol. If true this could be a description of Obama's invovlement in getting Bin Laden.
*Opposed enhanced interrogation techniques to get actionable intelligence
*Personally denied 3 raids to get bin Laden
*Didn't know about the May raid that killed OBL until it was in progress
*Takes credit for killing OBL
*Does a victory lap and rides the wave to re-election as POTUS
Lol! That sounds about right. It's a mad world we live in these days. The truth is irrelevant and lies are our primary form of communication.
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My brother is Marine Force Recon. Its still SOC. And not a grunt infantry unit.
Not to be a dick, but I have a hard time believing your brother is Task Force Recon, if he really is, props to him, that's not easy. But, Force may be Special Operations Capable but they are not a part of JSOC, let alone USSOCOM, unless that changed recently. MARSOC (which is the best of the Recon guys) is a part of USSOCOM, but even they're still not at the same level as the Tier 1 units.
The operators we were discussing are Tier 1 Special Mission Units, which are much, much different level than even the Force guys. They are comprised of only a select few units, specifically Army SFOD-Delta and Navy DEVGRU (which are comprised of the best of the best from the SEAL's and Army SF).
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Obama is such a moron i can't believe women sold out capitalism and elected him. Hater action.
democrat logic in a pic: (http://eddiebaran.com/images/eddie_baran_v-sit.jpg)
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http://entertainment.time.com/2012/11/25/zero-dark-thirty-the-girl-who-got-bin-laden
Bbboooommmmm