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Title: Intermittent Fasting: Fad or Weightloss miracle?
Post by: OneMoreRep on October 15, 2012, 12:05:29 PM
A close family friend told me this morning that by using intermittent fasting he was able to not only lose 30 pounds over the course of 4-5 months, but that he even added a 1/2 inch to his penis for every 20 pounds lost.

What say you GetBig brethren, fad or weightloss miracle?

Also, maybe the great Johnny Falconius of the pyramid shits tribe of nibiru can chime in with some physiological know-how to properly guide us in discussion.

"1"


Title: Re: Intermittent Fasting: Fad or Weightloss miracle?
Post by: HTexan on October 15, 2012, 12:08:56 PM
of course it works. less calories = weight loss.
but i thought it was 1 inch per 20 lbs?  ???


Title: Re: Intermittent Fasting: Fad or Weightloss miracle?
Post by: OneMoreRep on October 15, 2012, 12:10:10 PM
of course it works. less calories = weight loss.
but i thought it was 1 inch per 20 lbs?  ???

The catch is that he lost about 30 pounds over the course of 4-5 months.

Possible?

"1"


Title: Re: Intermittent Fasting: Fad or Weightloss miracle?
Post by: lovemonkey on October 15, 2012, 12:11:13 PM
Exactly what kind of fasting schedule are we discussing here?


Title: Re: Intermittent Fasting: Fad or Weightloss miracle?
Post by: OneMoreRep on October 15, 2012, 12:12:29 PM
Exactly what kind of fasting schedule are we discussing here?

I am not sure.  I don't know anything about this approach to dieting, but if what they say is true regarding weightloss, maybe it's worth a try.

"1"


Title: Re: Intermittent Fasting: Fad or Weightloss miracle?
Post by: HTexan on October 15, 2012, 12:12:49 PM
The catch is that he lost about 30 pounds over the course of 4-5 months.

Possible?

"1"
so about 1.5 lbs a week? Very doable. hell most fatasses lose 3-4 lbs a week once they start eating healthy and working out im told.


Title: Re: Intermittent Fasting: Fad or Weightloss miracle?
Post by: HTexan on October 15, 2012, 12:14:11 PM
Exactly what kind of fasting schedule are we discussing here?
it's fasting some days of the week, some you dont.


Title: Re: Intermittent Fasting: Fad or Weightloss miracle?
Post by: Krankenstein on October 15, 2012, 12:15:21 PM
Supposedly there are differences for men and women.  Generally its 16hrs fasting for a guy.  I believe your first meal is your biggest, then a couple of other ones over the 8hrs.  I tried it, hated it, will never do it again.

I am sure it will be picked up mainstream very soon and you will see some infomercials on it with some "top celebrity trainer" pushing it.


Title: Re: Intermittent Fasting: Fad or Weightloss miracle?
Post by: Coach is Back! on October 15, 2012, 12:17:37 PM
Been around forever. We just didn't call it intermittent fasting. We just called it fasting


Title: Re: Intermittent Fasting: Fad or Weightloss miracle?
Post by: OneMoreRep on October 15, 2012, 12:20:26 PM
Been around forever. We just didn't call it intermittent fasting. We just called it fasting

But does it work Joe?

Have you tried it?

"1"


Title: Re: Intermittent Fasting: Fad or Weightloss miracle?
Post by: OneMoreRep on October 15, 2012, 12:21:11 PM
I tried it, hated it, will never do it again.

Was it due to feeling too weak?

"1"


Title: Re: Intermittent Fasting: Fad or Weightloss miracle?
Post by: dj181 on October 15, 2012, 12:22:21 PM
cybergenics used IF back in the mid to late 80's

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yBHK85FrHKc


Title: Re: Intermittent Fasting: Fad or Weightloss miracle?
Post by: XFACTOR on October 15, 2012, 12:34:42 PM
Works awesome for me!



Title: Re: Intermittent Fasting: Fad or Weightloss miracle?
Post by: El Diablo Blanco on October 15, 2012, 12:37:46 PM
Supposedly there are differences for men and women.  Generally its 16hrs fasting for a guy.  I believe your first meal is your biggest, then a couple of other ones over the 8hrs.  I tried it, hated it, will never do it again.

I am sure it will be picked up mainstream very soon and you will see some infomercials on it with some "top celebrity trainer" pushing it.

WHy don't you become that trainer?


Title: Re: Intermittent Fasting: Fad or Weightloss miracle?
Post by: TrueGrit on October 15, 2012, 12:39:43 PM
Was it due to feeling too weak?

"1"


 Krank, I'd also be interested to know why you hated it.


Title: Re: Intermittent Fasting: Fad or Weightloss miracle?
Post by: Big Chiro Flex on October 15, 2012, 12:42:00 PM

 Krank, I'd also be interested to know why you hated it.
X3


Title: Re: Intermittent Fasting: Fad or Weightloss miracle?
Post by: OneMoreRep on October 15, 2012, 12:43:46 PM
Works awesome for me!

What's your approach to this diet?  In other words, what does your week look like (meals & fasting times) while on it?

"1"


Title: Re: Intermittent Fasting: Fad or Weightloss miracle?
Post by: dustin on October 15, 2012, 12:44:12 PM
I did it before I heard all the hype but I was scared I would lose muscle so I stopped... but there's no denying that I looked a lot leaner and wasn't shriveling like all the magazines had me thinking.

After finding that Lean Gains site I tried it again and it worked even better when I did it with a specific intent. I usually eat twice a day so I break the fast more often than not, but if I can fight the cravings I try eating in a 4-8 hour window and I find it leans me out considerably.

I love cooking and this lets me eat just one or two awesome meals a day, instead of stuffing myself with shit just because I "think" I'm supposed to be eating.


Title: Re: Intermittent Fasting: Fad or Weightloss miracle?
Post by: CalvinH on October 15, 2012, 12:46:35 PM
The catch is that he lost about 30 pounds over the course of 4-5 months.

Possible?

"1"


Over the summer I went two weeks where I only ate one meal per day on Tues,Wed,Thur.
I dropped close to 10lbs.

....losing weight and belly shrinking=more you can see of your penis=in one's mind a bigger penis.


Title: Re: Intermittent Fasting: Fad or Weightloss miracle?
Post by: OneMoreRep on October 15, 2012, 12:47:37 PM
After finding that Lean Gains site I tried it again and it worked even better when I did it with a specific intent. I usually eat twice a day so I break the fast more often than not, but if I can fight the cravings I try eating in a 4-8 hour window and I find it leans me out considerably.

So are you essentially supposed to eat in the early morning and then fast for the rest of the day?

"1"


Title: Re: Intermittent Fasting: Fad or Weightloss miracle?
Post by: XFACTOR on October 15, 2012, 12:52:00 PM
What's your approach to this diet?  In other words, what does your week look like (meals & fasting times) while on it?

"1"

I keep it very simple.  Eat 2-250 grams of protein, maybe 50 grams carbs, fats higher, stop eating at 8pm start eating around 10am.

Usually up at 7am so 3 hours with just coffee.   


Title: Re: Intermittent Fasting: Fad or Weightloss miracle?
Post by: OneMoreRep on October 15, 2012, 12:54:18 PM
I keep it very simple.  Eat 2-250 grams of protein, maybe 50 grams carbs, fats higher, stop eating at 8pm start eating around 10am.

Usually up at 7am so 3 hours with just coffee.   

So the bulk of your fasting occurs mainly through the night with a ketogenic diet ensuing throughout the course of the day?

"1"


Title: Re: Intermittent Fasting: Fad or Weightloss miracle?
Post by: XFACTOR on October 15, 2012, 12:55:03 PM
I don't think it's a miracle though.  I train my ass off!!  6-7 days a week, very intense training, and rarely do I skip days, even when traveling. That plus the diet, good to go.


Title: Re: Intermittent Fasting: Fad or Weightloss miracle?
Post by: XFACTOR on October 15, 2012, 12:55:55 PM
So the bulk of your fasting occurs mainly through the night with a ketogenic diet ensuing throughout the course of the day?

"1"

Exactly.  It works!  For me at least


Title: Re: Intermittent Fasting: Fad or Weightloss miracle?
Post by: TrueGrit on October 15, 2012, 12:57:27 PM
So are you essentially supposed to eat in the early morning and then fast for the rest of the day?

"1"

 On the lean gains site he says it doesn't matter. You tend to fast for 16 hrs and have an 8 hr eating window in a 24hr period. You choose the window that suits you best. It could be 2pm-10pm or 10am- 6pm. If you're up late a lot it could be 4pm- midnight...


Title: Re: Intermittent Fasting: Fad or Weightloss miracle?
Post by: CalvinH on October 15, 2012, 12:59:13 PM
On the lean gains site he says it doesn't matter. You tend to fast for 16 hrs and have an 8 hr eating window in a 24hr period. You choose the window that suits you best. It could be 2pm-10pm or 10am- 6pm. If you're up late a lot it could be 4pm- midnight...

I ate around 6:30-7:00 after my workout.


Title: Re: Intermittent Fasting: Fad or Weightloss miracle?
Post by: OneMoreRep on October 15, 2012, 12:59:51 PM
On the lean gains site he says it doesn't matter. You tend to fast for 16 hrs and have an 8 hr eating window in a 24hr period. You choose the window that suits you best. It could be 2pm-10pm or 10am- 6pm. If you're up late a lot it could be 4pm- midnight...

I might give this baby a try.

Stick to the 10am-6pm time frame and eat a diet that consists of mostly healthy fats & protein (Salmon, Chicken, Cock), with about 50 grams of carbs per day max in the morning and a generous amount of coffee/caffeine (bring in coke zero).

"1"


Title: Re: Intermittent Fasting: Fad or Weightloss miracle?
Post by: XFACTOR on October 15, 2012, 01:00:40 PM
I might give this baby a try.

Stick to the 10am-6pm time frame and eat a diet that consists of mostly healthy fats & protein (Salmon, Chicken, Cock), with about 50 grams of carbs per day max in the morning and a generous amount of coffee/caffeine (bring in coke zero).

"1"

LMAO!!!!


Title: Re: Intermittent Fasting: Fad or Weightloss miracle?
Post by: TrueGrit on October 15, 2012, 01:12:23 PM
I ate around 6:30-7:00 after my workout.

Yeah, I think the whole window thing is tailored around getting your biggest meal after a workout.

I might give this baby a try.

Stick to the 10am-6pm time frame and eat a diet that consists of mostly healthy fats & protein (Salmon, Chicken, Cock), with about 50 grams of carbs per day max in the morning and a generous amount of coffee/caffeine (bring in coke zero).

"1"

You can probably eat the cock while fasting!


Title: Re: Intermittent Fasting: Fad or Weightloss miracle?
Post by: Master Blaster on October 15, 2012, 01:13:22 PM
Started in July at about 255. I'm 230 now, weight loss has been VERY slow, in my opinion. I consume my meals between 1pm and 7pm.* Diet has been fairly low protein. Felt pretty weak for about 2 months, now I feel like a fucking badass (no homo). My body eventually got used to the lower protein, but this approach is better geared towards maintenance, and would not be appropriate for muscle gain. Here are the details:

1. Intermittent fasting is combined with the diet plan called "Vegan till Dinner". This is to address a family history of heart disease I was JUST told about.  ::) Anyway, no animal products are consumed before dinner.

2. Exercise is done in a fasted state. Usually a run, a bike ride or some bodyweight bullshit. This generally happens at lunch time.

3. First meal is a low to moderate carb grainless vegan meal. (Such as chili beans with avocado slices and hot sauce)

4. Dinner is one plate of anything I fucking want. Usually whatever the family is having. No second helpings, ever.

Pros: easiest diet in the world. No counting calories or macros. Cock looks HUGE. Finally getting veins on biceps.

Cons: initial weakness, esp. training in a fasted state. Weight loss is slow, in part because of lack of fat burners.





*In this version you "fast" from night time till around lunch the next day. There are different forms of intermittent Fasting.


Title: Re: Intermittent Fasting: Fad or Weightloss miracle?
Post by: TrueGrit on October 15, 2012, 01:16:34 PM
Started in July at about 255. I'm 230 now, weight loss has been VERY slow, in my opinion. I consume my meals between 1pm and 7pm.* Diet has been fairly low protein. Felt pretty weak for about 2 months, now I feel like a fucking badass (no homo). My body eventually got used to the lower protein, but this approach is better geared towards maintenance, and would not be appropriate for muscle gain. Here are the details:

1. Intermittent fasting is combined with the diet plan called "Vegan till Dinner". This is to address a family history of heart disease I was JUST told about.  ::) Anyway, no animal products are consumed before dinner.

2. Exercise is done in a fasted state. Usually a run, a bike ride or some bodyweight bullshit. This generally happens at lunch time.

3. First meal is a low to moderate carb grainless vegan meal. (Such as chili beans with avocado slices and hot sauce)

4. Dinner is one plate of anything I fucking want. Usually whatever the family is having. No second helpings, ever.

Pros: easiest diet in the world. No counting calories or macros. Cock looks HUGE. Finally getting veins on biceps.

Cons: initial weakness, esp. training in a fasted state. Weight loss is slow, in part because of lack of fat burners.





*In this version you "fast" from night time till around lunch the next day. There are different forms of intermittent Fasting.

Dude, if that 25lbs is all fat-loss then that is pretty fucking decent..


Title: Re: Intermittent Fasting: Fad or Weightloss miracle?
Post by: CalvinH on October 15, 2012, 01:18:24 PM
Yeah, I think the whole window thing is tailored around getting your biggest meal after a workout.



Lol,I never really read into it,it just seemed logical.


Title: Re: Intermittent Fasting: Fad or Weightloss miracle?
Post by: Master Blaster on October 15, 2012, 01:19:23 PM
Dude, if that 25lbs is all fat-loss then that is pretty fucking decent..

What I fucking LOVE is not having 6 tiny, bullshit body building meals all day long. That way of eating fucking SUCKS. I'll never eat like that again. That's the beauty of IF. I love stuffing my face at night on a giant plate of spaghetti or whatever.


Title: Re: Intermittent Fasting: Fad or Weightloss miracle?
Post by: OneMoreRep on October 15, 2012, 01:20:43 PM
First and foremost, thank you for the detailed response.

Diet has been fairly low protein.

Why has this low-protein approach been employed?  Also, would this be the direct cause for little muscle gain experienced?

Here are the details:

1. Intermittent fasting is combined with the diet plan called "Vegan till Dinner". This is to address a family history of heart disease I was JUST told about.  ::) Anyway, no animal products are consumed before dinner.

Does this also include protein from Salmon or say maybe chicken?  In other words, while understanding the ramifications of hereditary heart disease, would it not be feasible to include animal meats like Salmon or chicken that are typically low in saturated fats unlike pork or cow meat?

You also mentioned that your skinny mini has improved in presentation, does this include added length or just visualization by way of less stomach fat?

Again, thanks for the feedback!

"1"


Title: Re: Intermittent Fasting: Fad or Weightloss miracle?
Post by: Master Blaster on October 15, 2012, 01:47:02 PM
First and foremost, thank you for the detailed response.

Why has this low-protein approach been employed?  Also, would this be the direct cause for little muscle gain experienced?

Does this also include protein from Salmon or say maybe chicken?  In other words, while understanding the ramifications of hereditary heart disease, would it not be feasible to include animal meats like Salmon or chicken that are typically low in saturated fats unlike pork or cow meat?

You also mentioned that your skinny mini has improved in presentation, does this include added length or just visualization by way of less stomach fat?

Again, thanks for the feedback!

"1"

The cool thing about I.F. is that it isn't a diet. It's a eating strategy. You could really tailor it to many types of food consumption. I'm totally in love with it.

My thinking behind low protein is that I don't care anymore if I lose muscle. I turned 40 recently, if I was ever going to be a big, buffed muscle man it would have happened long ago. I am no longer delusional, as Adonis would describe it.

My dad went totally vegan after his heart attack. That was when he decided to remind me that his mom died of heart disease as well as his grandmother. Vegan till six just eliminates choice and makes everything simpler. I didn't want to think about my diet. I've been digging the vegan chili and curry lentils, monster salads etc.

I was at the store in july trying to pick out some tuna to have with my salad, and they were all around 3 bucks. And there was like a million brands. I just said to my self "fuckit, I'm sick of this bullshit."  It was a moment of clarity, I don't need to eat meat. I don't need to think about designing the perfect muscle man, lean gainer diet.

Just started doing a little manscaping again after letting myself go for years. I could swear it's an inch longer. It looks like a fucking cartoon penis.


Title: Re: Intermittent Fasting: Fad or Weightloss miracle?
Post by: Master Blaster on October 15, 2012, 01:52:57 PM
Sorry, I'm a little obsessed about this subject. This is the documentary that changed my life. I felt like I was stuck in a fat suit  and was suddenly handed a get out of jail free card.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pfna7nV7WaM


Title: Re: Intermittent Fasting: Fad or Weightloss miracle?
Post by: OneMoreRep on October 15, 2012, 01:56:39 PM
Sorry, I'm a little obsessed about this subject. This is the documentary that changed my life. I felt like I was stuck in a fat suit  and was suddenly handed a get out of jail free card.

Nothing to feel sorry about man.  Some of us old warhorses need a little boost in our daily approach to eating and it's important to be open minded about these things.

We men in our 40's need to consider that in order to live another 40+ years it is important to modify our diets as need be.  Our organisms can't keep up with the garbage that we are sold to eat the way we once did when in our mid 20's.

"1"


Title: Re: Intermittent Fasting: Fad or Weightloss miracle?
Post by: WOOO on October 15, 2012, 02:16:46 PM
i live by leangains now... shit works for me


Title: Re: Intermittent Fasting: Fad or Weightloss miracle?
Post by: cephissus on October 15, 2012, 02:21:29 PM
I might give this baby a try.

Stick to the 10am-6pm time frame and eat a diet that consists of mostly healthy fats & protein (Salmon, Chicken, Cock), with about 50 grams of carbs per day max in the morning and a generous amount of coffee/caffeine (bring in coke zero).

"1"

This is the one thing I never understand about most of the bodybuilding diets I see... how are you supposed to eat so few carbs?  50g is 200 calories.  How many calories do you eat per day?  2000?  Even that, which is really a small amount, means 1800 calories from fat and protein?  If we're talking only protein, thats 450 grams!!!

So what's the fat percentage?  Most people talk about eating "healthy," and generally most concepts of "health" don't include a dietary intake of 50% fat or anywhere near it, so let's say 30% (which is high by most standards).  30% of 1800 is 540, divided by 9 calories per gram is 60gr.  This leaves 1460 for protein, which, at 4 calories per gram, would be 365 grams!!


Given there's, roughly 100g protein per 1lb of lean meats (lean ground beef, chicken, salmon, etc.)  That's over 3 1/2 lbs of meat a day, plus like one serving of pasta for the carbs, and NOTHING ELSE... W T F does anyone really eat like this?

Increase the number to 3000 cals, and the numbers get even wonkier... you're up to like 4+ lbs of meat.

How do you flavor the meat, while keeping things "healthy"?  Or is every meal just slab after slab of boneless, skinless chicken breast?  :-X

The thought alone is enough to make me wanna go vegetarian...


Title: Re: Intermittent Fasting: Fad or Weightloss miracle?
Post by: Parker on October 15, 2012, 02:32:13 PM
I eat like one or 2 meals a day, if that. I might even go a day without eating.
I used be a glutton, until one day I was rushed to the hospital.
After findig out that I have kidney issues, I kinda stopped satig and dropped to 118. My parents were worried about my dramatic weight loss (170ish to 118), and tried to coerce me to eat more. I would have a plate in front of me, and refuse to eat. And it still happens, I think it's a result of what happened to me.
So, now I just eat when I feel like it.


Title: Re: Intermittent Fasting: Fad or Weightloss miracle?
Post by: Jadeveon Clowney on October 15, 2012, 02:37:17 PM

 Krank, I'd also be interested to know why you hated it.

X6 M, BMW


Title: Re: Intermittent Fasting: Fad or Weightloss miracle?
Post by: Mjolnir on October 15, 2012, 02:55:05 PM
I tried it.............for a few days.  It left me very light headed and weak.  What I'm seeing here though is a lot of people following a ketogenic diet and then only eating in the 4-8hr window and in my opinion it's the ketogenic diet that does the work not the IF.  Less then 50gms of carbs per day = keto.  I follow keto when I want to lose fat and it works well but I only do it in 2-4 week blocks and then eat normally. Here's my regimen stolen from Clay Hight:

1 cup egg whites 2 whole eggs w/ onion pepers etc
1 1/2 oz of protein powder 10z almonds
6oz lean chicken fish beef all the vegies you want (no carbs) 1 tsp olive oil
1 1/2 oz of protein powder 4 oz strawberry's
6oz lean chicken fish beef all the vegies you want (no carbs) 1 tsp olive oil
1 1/2 oz of protein powder or 1 cup egg whites 2 whole eggs w/ onion pepers etc

Eat the above in 1-6 meals or however you wnat it and lose around 1 pound per week of FAT and no muscle/strength loss.  This works for me but keto doesn't give me any of the issues some others report such as listlessness or dizziness etc.


Title: Re: Intermittent Fasting: Fad or Weightloss miracle?
Post by: Jadeveon Clowney on October 15, 2012, 03:08:17 PM
I eat like one or 2 meals a day, if that. I might even go a day without eating.
I used be a glutton, until one day I was rushed to the hospital.
After findig out that I have kidney issues, I kinda stopped satig and dropped to 118. My parents were worried about my dramatic weight loss (170ish to 118), and tried to coerce me to eat more. I would have a plate in front of me, and refuse to eat. And it still happens, I think it's a result of what happened to me.
So, now I just eat when I feel like it.

118? how tall are you parkour?


Title: Re: Intermittent Fasting: Fad or Weightloss miracle?
Post by: TommyBoy on October 15, 2012, 03:24:03 PM
 
What I'm seeing here though is a lot of people following a ketogenic diet and then only eating in the 4-8hr window and in my opinion it's the ketogenic diet that does the work not the IF. 


Exactly. This is far from anything new and no one is breaking new ground here. Face it, eating 5-6 meals a day SUCKS. Hence why this is taking off. It's a lot easier to stick to this than actually being diligent about anything. Obviously, do whatever works for YOU, but do not kid yourself and say this is the best way of doing things. Cause if you can't stay consistent with it then its like washing your car with a dirty rag. If I ever sauced up you bet your sweet ass I'd start eating like this.


Title: Re: Intermittent Fasting: Fad or Weightloss miracle?
Post by: a_pupil on October 15, 2012, 03:31:24 PM
Easiest way of dieting and there are some possible health benefits from the fasting. I've lost 25-30 pounds since July.

One small meal and one big meal of whatever you want in moderation. With gear this works miracles.


Title: Re: Intermittent Fasting: Fad or Weightloss miracle?
Post by: Parker on October 15, 2012, 03:48:48 PM
118? how tall are you parkour?
5'5.


Title: Re: Intermittent Fasting: Fad or Weightloss miracle?
Post by: Coach is Back! on October 15, 2012, 03:56:23 PM
But does it work Joe?

Have you tried it?

"1"

I haven't done it since it's been somewhat commercialized but when getting ready for shows (80's-90) it would work like this. During the week Hi protein, med to high fat, low carbs, Sundays were cheat DAYS, and by cheat days we would start at midnight Sunday and fucking stuff ourselves all day with anything and everything. With me I would start at the donut shop or IHOP for chocolate chip pancakes then the rest of the day being shit food fest till I went to bed on Sunday. Monday until Tuesday morning would be a fast day....NOTHING. By about mid-morning (after about three full shits) I was freaking starving and then couldn't wait till I stated on my tuna, chicken. veggies and water.

By mid week I had not only dropped all the weight I put on from the cheatday but had dropped an additional couple of pounds. It works, as a matter of fact (physiologically speaking) that worked better than what they have today. Like I told TA, I spoke about this with Berardi and he actually agreed with me.  


Title: Re: Intermittent Fasting: Fad or Weightloss miracle?
Post by: Psychopath on October 15, 2012, 04:01:43 PM
You must eat while looking out an open window 30min before sunset.


Title: Re: Intermittent Fasting: Fad or Weightloss miracle?
Post by: Da Freak on October 15, 2012, 04:19:11 PM
was just reading on IF yesterday: http://primalrecipe.com/intermittent-fasting-weight-loss-primal-lifestyle (http://primalrecipe.com/intermittent-fasting-weight-loss-primal-lifestyle)


Title: Re: Intermittent Fasting: Fad or Weightloss miracle?
Post by: OneMoreRep on October 15, 2012, 05:07:11 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pfna7nV7WaM

Great documentary!

Sat through the entire thing and at the very least this approach is worth a shot for at least a month in order to gauge what preliminary results might be.

"1"


Title: Re: Intermittent Fasting: Fad or Weightloss miracle?
Post by: Krankenstein on October 15, 2012, 05:24:40 PM
I did the fasting from 8:30pm - 12:30pm.  For me, the way my days go, there really wasn't an easy way to time it.  I gave it about 2 wks and the whole time I made sure I did follow to a "T" (or as close to it as I could).  My hunger was actually more-so even though I was eating the same amount of calories as I do now.  I believe that you eat 80 - 90% of your calories post workout.  The timing of the training/eating became an issue for me.  I do not have a set schedule when it comes to when I am done with my day.  Some days I am able to train in the morning, and some days have to be done at night.

There is no set in stone protocol for low carb/high carb (again, from what I recall).  Just depends on who you are and what you are trying to accomplish.  I generally like a lower carb approach during the week.  I don't think strength suffered all that much, just a feeling of being "off" of what I am used to.  So thats more me than the diet.  I can usually put away a lot at one sitting...so the higher calorie meal is great, but for me I did not like taking the time to calculate the percentage, of calories, then figure out how much more I could eat through the day, etc etc etc.  I thought the way I do it now was OCD...figuring out how much more you can or can't eat was a pain in the ass.  If you want to eatthe same shit all the time, then you should be ok.  I Have done enough of that through the years so I was unwilling to go through that again.

I know that there are different protocols to doing IF.  I do have a friend who does do the fasting the day after a cheat day.  He will have a meal of 30% of his total calorie intake atthe end of monday to break his fast.  I dont know if I coul[d go through my days like that.  My buddy eats low low low carb...and is ripped to shit.

Would I say that it "didn't work"?  No.  I think that if you lay out the plan, you will see the results you want.  Do I feel that it takes a lot longer to get acclimated to doing the diet than other ways of eating.  Yes.  Again, totally my opinion.  Right now I have been doing just protein, fats, and pineapple for my eating.  Took a while, but I actually feel better eating this way.


Title: Re: Intermittent Fasting: Fad or Weightloss miracle?
Post by: Dokey111 on October 15, 2012, 05:43:54 PM
I did the fasting from 8:30pm - 12:30pm.  For me, the way my days go, there really wasn't an easy way to time it.  I gave it about 2 wks and the whole time I made sure I did follow to a "T" (or as close to it as I could).  My hunger was actually more-so even though I was eating the same amount of calories as I do now.  I believe that you eat 80 - 90% of your calories post workout.  The timing of the training/eating became an issue for me.  I do not have a set schedule when it comes to when I am done with my day.  Some days I am able to train in the morning, and some days have to be done at night.

There is no set in stone protocol for low carb/high carb (again, from what I recall).  Just depends on who you are and what you are trying to accomplish.  I generally like a lower carb approach during the week.  I don't think strength suffered all that much, just a feeling of being "off" of what I am used to.  So thats more me than the diet.  I can usually put away a lot at one sitting...so the higher calorie meal is great, but for me I did not like taking the time to calculate the percentage, of calories, then figure out how much more I could eat through the day, etc etc etc.  I thought the way I do it now was OCD...figuring out how much more you can or can't eat was a pain in the ass.  If you want to eatthe same shit all the time, then you should be ok.  I Have done enough of that through the years so I was unwilling to go through that again.

I know that there are different protocols to doing IF.  I do have a friend who does do the fasting the day after a cheat day.  He will have a meal of 30% of his total calorie intake atthe end of monday to break his fast.  I dont know if I coul[d go through my days like that.  My buddy eats low low low carb...and is ripped to shit.

Would I say that it "didn't work"?  No.  I think that if you lay out the plan, you will see the results you want.  Do I feel that it takes a lot longer to get acclimated to doing the diet than other ways of eating.  Yes.  Again, totally my opinion.  Right now I have been doing just protein, fats, and pineapple for my eating.  Took a while, but I actually feel better eating this way.

i am looking for one of those emoticon things of a guy sleeping


Title: Re: Intermittent Fasting: Fad or Weightloss miracle?
Post by: cephissus on October 15, 2012, 06:06:04 PM
1 cup egg whites 2 whole eggs w/ onion pepers etc
1 1/2 oz of protein powder 10z almonds
6oz lean chicken fish beef all the vegies you want (no carbs) 1 tsp olive oil
1 1/2 oz of protein powder 4 oz strawberry's
6oz lean chicken fish beef all the vegies you want (no carbs) 1 tsp olive oil
1 1/2 oz of protein powder or 1 cup egg whites 2 whole eggs w/ onion pepers etc

calories / protein / fat / carb

2 cup egg whites       - 252    /  52     / 0      /  4
4 eggs                     - 222    /  16     / 16    /   0
4.5 oz protein powder - 540    /  110   / 5      /   15
12 oz lean chicken     - 134    /  58     / 0      /   8
10 oz almonds           - 1686  /   59    / 148   /   59
4 oz strawberrys       -  40    /    0     /  0     /    9
2 tsp olive oil            -  80   /     0    /  9      /   0

total:

calories: 2954

lol

okay, i'm going to assume that was a typo and you meant 1 oz almonds:


2 cup egg whites       - 252    /  52     / 0      /  4
4 eggs                     - 222    /  16     / 16    /   0
4.5 oz protein powder - 540    /  110   / 5      /   15
12 oz lean chicken     - 134    /  58     / 0      /   8
10 oz almonds           - 168   /   6      / 15        /   6
4 oz strawberrys       -  40    /    0     /  0     /    9
2 tsp olive oil            -  80   /     0    /  9      /   0

total:

calories:         1436
protein:          242g (67%)
fat:               45g   (28%)
carbohydrate:  38g  (11%)

Yeah, the numbers are a little off due to estimations and rounding, but WTF 67% of diet from protein and 1436 calories?  You must have looked like an auschwitz victim...  


Title: Re: Intermittent Fasting: Fad or Weightloss miracle?
Post by: Mjolnir on October 15, 2012, 06:09:21 PM
Yeah sorry 1oz almonds not ten and should be tablespoon of oil not teaspoon.  You have calculated that wrong as it works out at around 2400cals the meat calories are incorrect. Keto works for ME really well.


Title: Re: Intermittent Fasting: Fad or Weightloss miracle?
Post by: Krankenstein on October 15, 2012, 06:10:01 PM
i am looking for one of those emoticon things of a guy sleeping

Hey monkey fuck....a few asked my opinion...so I gave it.  Here is something you should check out if you feel that strongly :

http://www.amishrakefight.org/gfy/index.shtml


Title: Re: Intermittent Fasting: Fad or Weightloss miracle?
Post by: Dokey111 on October 15, 2012, 06:41:49 PM
Hey monkey fuck....a few asked my opinion...so I gave it.  Here is something you should check out if you feel that strongly :

http://www.amishrakefight.org/gfy/index.shtml

this is getbig  dammit  :(  this thread should be in the nutrition board where you don't fuck around with other people or something  ???


Title: Re: Intermittent Fasting: Fad or Weightloss miracle?
Post by: Krankenstein on October 15, 2012, 07:03:34 PM
this is getbig  dammit  :(  this thread should be in the nutrition board where you don't fuck around with other people or something  ???

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Title: Re: Intermittent Fasting: Fad or Weightloss miracle?
Post by: Dokey111 on October 15, 2012, 07:11:21 PM
exactly


Title: Re: Intermittent Fasting: Fad or Weightloss miracle?
Post by: dustin on October 15, 2012, 07:25:57 PM
So are you essentially supposed to eat in the early morning and then fast for the rest of the day?

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I fast in the morning and try not to eat until after training which I do right after work. I'm lazier and usually eat a light meal at work though because I've been off hormones for a while and taking the pussy approach to training and dieting.

When I'm on cycling and taking ephedrine it's a cake walk to fast. And if my body is beaten down from training I'll break the fast and that day will just be a refill day because I go a bit lighter on the carbs when I'm serious. All of the fasting makes my body turn into a carb sponge and I fill out hardcore. I love it. I turn cheating into an unplanned refill day and it helps with both training and sanity. It feels almost like I'm somehow taking a shortcut on my diet!

Been getting my natural test levels up but my appetite is too strong to fast the way I have on the past, but I'm just starting ephedrine and will have just 4 hour eating windows again. It's fucking ridiculous how amped up and primed for fat loss your body gets when fasting intermittently. Don't write this one off as a fad. It's one of the few dietary advices that's actually worked for me in real life.


Title: Re: Intermittent Fasting: Fad or Weightloss miracle?
Post by: cephissus on October 15, 2012, 08:12:50 PM
Yeah sorry 1oz almonds not ten and should be tablespoon of oil not teaspoon.  You have calculated that wrong as it works out at around 2400cals the meat calories are incorrect. Keto works for ME really well.

You're right, the calories should be doubled, for about 270, and even that seems a little low, still prob not more than 200 additional calories.  I dont see how you could get 2400 calories or even really close to that based on what you wrote.


Title: Re: Intermittent Fasting: Fad or Weightloss miracle?
Post by: Mjolnir on October 15, 2012, 08:21:42 PM
You're right, the calories should be doubled, for about 270, and even that seems a little low, still prob not more than 200 additional calories.  I dont see how you could get 2400 calories or even really close to that based on what you wrote.

For christs sake don't try the diet if it's too hard for you Gloria. Do some research - lean chicken = 46 calories per ounce x 12
http://nutritiondata.self.com/facts/poultry-products/703/2
Olive oil per tablespoon = 120 calories x 2
http://caloriecount.about.com/calories-olive-oil-i4053

It works out to around 2400 calories. I have calculated it many times and the diet works, I'm not starving, I weigh 200 pounds, not on peds and that's because it works out at 2400 calories, go figure.  


Title: Re: Intermittent Fasting: Fad or Weightloss miracle?
Post by: Master Blaster on October 15, 2012, 09:06:59 PM
Exactly. This is far from anything new and no one is breaking new ground here. Face it, eating 5-6 meals a day SUCKS.

YES!


Title: Re: Intermittent Fasting: Fad or Weightloss miracle?
Post by: Master Blaster on October 15, 2012, 09:14:42 PM
Great documentary!

Sat through the entire thing and at the very least this approach is worth a shot for at least a month in order to gauge what preliminary results might be.

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Hate to sound like a nerd, but IT'S SO FUN TO TRY NEW STUFF! Call it a mid life crisis, but I'm backing off on the protein and eating all kinds of dark green veggies, I'm jogging, I'm doing bodyweight exercises like pull-ups and burpees, I'm trying to run 400 meters, I'm having a shit load of fun.


Title: Re: Intermittent Fasting: Fad or Weightloss miracle?
Post by: Big Chiro Flex on October 15, 2012, 09:19:27 PM
Hate to sound like a nerd, but IT'S SO FUN TO TRY NEW STUFF! Call it a mid life crisis, but I'm backing off on the protein and eating all kinds of dark green veggies, I'm jogging, I'm doing bodyweight exercises like pull-ups and burpees, I'm trying to run 400 meters, I'm having a shit load of fun.
You fkn hell raiser!!! :D


Title: Re: Intermittent Fasting: Fad or Weightloss miracle?
Post by: Moen on October 15, 2012, 09:33:24 PM
Hate to sound like a nerd, but IT'S SO FUN TO TRY NEW STUFF! Call it a mid life crisis, but I'm backing off on the protein and eating all kinds of dark green veggies, I'm jogging, I'm doing bodyweight exercises like pull-ups and burpees, I'm trying to run 400 meters, I'm having a shit load of fun.

Green veggies, how fun ::)

Want to know what my idea of fun is?


Title: Re: Intermittent Fasting: Fad or Weightloss miracle?
Post by: chris-a on October 16, 2012, 05:08:12 AM
Great documentary!

Sat through the entire thing and at the very least this approach is worth a shot for at least a month in order to gauge what preliminary results might be.

"1"

that horizon documentary has changed how i view *everything* to do w/diet.
i've just turned 47, tried the 16 hour fast/8 hour feedind window thing, pretty cool, slow fatloss. though nothing amazing. i now eat according to the doc, and bang, fat loss multiplied by about 10, feel good, no bloated feeling, waist is tighter, and getting tighter still. plus it's ridiculously good for you. it really is an eye opener. i say give it a go!
(i'm generally on trt, though upped slightly at the mo to 450mgs/week, which obviously helps with muscle maintanance/growth, but even on trt dose of 125mg/week it was working wonders... )


Title: Re: Intermittent Fasting: Fad or Weightloss miracle?
Post by: dj181 on October 16, 2012, 05:15:20 AM
it still boils down to calories in vs. calories out, but maybe this protocol's real benefit/advantage is the hormonal/chemical changes that it can cause/induce


Title: Re: Intermittent Fasting: Fad or Weightloss miracle?
Post by: dustin on October 16, 2012, 09:55:07 AM
it still boils down to calories in vs. calories out, but maybe this protocol's real benefit/advantage is the hormonal/chemical changes that it can cause/induce

Intermittent fasting, I'm convinced, helps your body to run way more efficiently. The changes in insulin sensitivity alone can make a major impact.

I have a blood glucose monitor I forgot about and found a shitload of testing strips. I checked my fasted and post-meal BG levels and they're getting better and better the more I fast. My hunger pains die out after a bit of disciplined fasting. And a few weeks into being more disciplined I can start cheating again and breaking the fast more often but I still look a lot better than when I started.

I think a lot of people who write this off as a fad are missing out. The bodybuilding dietary advices of eating around the clock is piss poor and leads to glucose mismanagement. Even if you eat protein based meals 5-6 times a day it'll raise your blood glucose levels just as much as eating carbs. So how in the fuck is eating constantly going to help with anything? You'll never have the opportunity to liberate and break up fat stores if blood glucose and insulin are both chronically elevated. There's no difference whether your sedentary or training a lot, this leads to diabetes.

I'd sooner trust an endocrinologist over a bodybuilder when it comes to talking hormones. Since I started eating more infrequently my body's composition has been a lot better, even when I'm lazy and eating poor food choices. Even if people don't subscribe to IF, they don't need to eat 5-6 times a day. That's fucking stupid advice... I wasted years doing that shit.


Title: Re: Intermittent Fasting: Fad or Weightloss miracle?
Post by: dj181 on October 16, 2012, 10:02:18 AM
Intermittent fasting, I'm convinced, helps your body to run way more efficiently. The changes in insulin sensitivity alone can make a major impact.

I have a blood glucose monitor I forgot about and found a shitload of testing strips. I checked my fasted and post-meal BG levels and they're getting better and better the more I fast. My hunger pains die out after a bit of disciplined fasting. And a few weeks into being more disciplined I can start cheating again and breaking the fast more often but I still look a lot better than when I started.

I think a lot of people who write this off as a fad are missing out. The bodybuilding dietary advices of eating around the clock is piss poor and leads to glucose mismanagement. Even if you eat protein based meals 5-6 times a day it'll raise your blood glucose levels just as much as eating carbs. So how in the fuck is eating constantly going to help with anything? You'll never have the opportunity to liberate and break up fat stores if blood glucose and insulin are both chronically elevated. There's no difference whether your sedentary or training a lot, this leads to diabetes.

I'd sooner trust an endocrinologist over a bodybuilder when it comes to talking hormones. Since I started eating more infrequently my body's composition has been a lot better, even when I'm lazy and eating poor food choices. Even if people don't subscribe to IF, they don't need to eat 5-6 times a day. That's fucking stupid advice... I wasted years doing that shit.

nice post man, and thanks for the feedback