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Title: Official G & O Debate Rematch Thread
Post by: Benny B on October 16, 2012, 04:42:30 PM
Oct 16, 2012

(http://www.dat-e-baseonline.com/images/Logos/rr/10.16.2012_rematch.jpg)Debate tonight! I hope President Obama is spending the day practicing how to say “That is simply not true!” in a firm, yet presidential tone. Obama needs to be assertive without coming off as being too aggressive. In other words, in the eyes of Fox News’ Dr. Keith Ablow, Obama needs to come off as just somewhat demented. This will be a “town hall” type event in which audience members will ask the candidates questions. Mitt is going to have a tough time relating to people… or at least to 47 percent of them.

When Mitt Romney says his record in Massachusetts shows that he was bipartisan, he’s lying. In fact, he was a “severely” partisan governor.  As Governor of Massachusetts, Mitt literally put up a velvet rope to keep people from walking into the governor’s offices. Was this guy running Massachusetts, or Studio 54? As Governor of Massachusetts, Mitt issued over 800 vetoes—and 707 of them were overridden. So he wasn’t just a roadblock, he was a totally ineffective roadblock. At the end of Mitt’s term as governor, he had an unfavorable rating of 65 percent! Admittedly, Mitt was not a good fit for Massachusetts... but he’s an even worse fit for the United States of America.

Paul Ryan has been caught totally faking a photo op of him washing pots and pans at a soup kitchen. Paul Ryan stopped by the soup kitchen for 15 minutes on his way to the airport—after it had closed, and after all the cleanup had already been done. They’re just lucky it wasn’t Mitt—he would have shut the place down and moved it to China. The president of the organization in charge of the soup kitchen said “They did not have permission. They got one of the volunteers to open up the doors.” Is there a better metaphor for how Romney and Ryan want to treat the American people? Romney and Ryan want to get in by tricking us into opening the door—and then they want to do a bunch of stuff under the guise of helping people that only really benefits them!

Rudy Giuliani says that Mitt Romney “should be exploiting” the tragedy in Benghazi for political gain. Rudy, are you saying that from here on out, everything Mitt says should just consist of “a noun, a verb, and Benghazi”?  
Title: Re: Rematch
Post by: Hulkotron on October 16, 2012, 04:45:22 PM
Several getbiggers are patients of Dr. Keith Ablow.
Title: Re: Rematch
Post by: chaos on October 16, 2012, 04:45:27 PM
*yawn* ::)
Title: Re: Rematch
Post by: dr.chimps on October 16, 2012, 04:48:11 PM
*yawn* ::)
x 2 (no homo)
Title: Re: Rematch
Post by: Marty Champions on October 16, 2012, 05:05:58 PM
obama should go full on negro on romeny see what happens
Title: Re: Rematch
Post by: dr.chimps on October 16, 2012, 05:18:27 PM
obama should go full on negro on romeny see what happens
I'm sure it will be yet another race statistic cited by 3.14 idiot.
Title: Re: Rematch
Post by: Nomad on October 16, 2012, 05:24:24 PM
This is going to be exciting  :D   Obama will actually have to work for a win in this debate.
Title: Re: Rematch
Post by: Princess L on October 16, 2012, 05:46:02 PM
ONE debate thread allowed on G & O
Title: Re: Official G & O Debate Rematch Thread
Post by: chaos on October 16, 2012, 05:54:43 PM
The report to mod button started smoking after this thread was posted. ;D
Title: Re: Official G & O Debate Rematch Thread
Post by: Nails on October 16, 2012, 06:02:58 PM
Who is this fat hog candy crunch bar???
Title: Re: Official G & O Debate Rematch Thread
Post by: Nails on October 16, 2012, 06:11:30 PM
Whata bunch of studdering fucks
Title: Re: Official G & O Debate Rematch Thread
Post by: garebear on October 16, 2012, 06:14:22 PM
Obama coming out strong.
Title: Re: Official G & O Debate Rematch Thread
Post by: garebear on October 16, 2012, 06:15:33 PM
Does Romney really wanna keep Pell Grants?
Title: Re: Official G & O Debate Rematch Thread
Post by: nzmusclemonster on October 16, 2012, 06:16:21 PM
Pedobear!
Title: Re: Official G & O Debate Rematch Thread
Post by: garebear on October 16, 2012, 06:18:03 PM
Pedobear!
What's up, NewZealandMolester?
Title: Re: Official G & O Debate Rematch Thread
Post by: chaos on October 16, 2012, 06:20:47 PM
Pedobear!
Lol, you get to be on the giving side this time. ;D
Title: Re: Official G & O Debate Rematch Thread
Post by: Aerian on October 16, 2012, 06:20:49 PM
wow, they looked like they were about to throw down!
Title: Re: Official G & O Debate Rematch Thread
Post by: garebear on October 16, 2012, 06:21:33 PM
They are coming to blows soon.

I can see it.
Title: Re: Official G & O Debate Rematch Thread
Post by: MCWAY on October 16, 2012, 06:21:42 PM
Second verse, same as the first: Romney getting medieval on Obama.
Title: Re: Official G & O Debate Rematch Thread
Post by: K-1 on October 16, 2012, 06:22:36 PM
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Title: Re: Official G & O Debate Rematch Thread
Post by: garebear on October 16, 2012, 06:23:34 PM
Second verse, same as the first: Romney getting medieval on Obama.
The crowd just laughed at Romney.

Title: Re: Official G & O Debate Rematch Thread
Post by: nzmusclemonster on October 16, 2012, 06:26:19 PM
Lol, you get to be on the giving side this time. ;D

Tis better to give than receive  ;D
Title: Re: Official G & O Debate Rematch Thread
Post by: G_Thang on October 16, 2012, 06:27:31 PM
The crowd just laughed at Romney.



This.

Only a monkey wouldn't let Obama finish is 8 year plan.  Romney won't do shit in 4 years.  American voters are the world's biggest dumbasses. The guy says, coal production, but he closed down a plant.   ::)
Title: Re: Official G & O Debate Rematch Thread
Post by: garebear on October 16, 2012, 06:30:33 PM
Romney taking a beating on taxes.

Title: Re: Official G & O Debate Rematch Thread
Post by: MCWAY on October 16, 2012, 06:38:32 PM
Romney taking a beating on taxes.



What debate are you watching? Romney not only explained his tax plans, but (as usual) he turned it right on Obama and brought up that pesky record of his.
Title: Re: Official G & O Debate Rematch Thread
Post by: garebear on October 16, 2012, 06:39:44 PM
What debate are you watching? Romney not only explained his tax plans, but (as usual) he turned it right on Obama and brought up that pesky record of his.
He never explains them. He's had months to do it.

You need to get other sources of information than Fox News.

You're not very well-read.

Title: Re: Official G & O Debate Rematch Thread
Post by: jude2 on October 16, 2012, 06:40:45 PM
It would be great to not tax savings account interest and dividens. This would really help people start saving again in this country.
Title: Re: Official G & O Debate Rematch Thread
Post by: Weightpit on October 16, 2012, 06:42:27 PM
What debate are you watching? Romney not only explained his tax plans, but (as usual) he turned it right on Obama and brought up that pesky record of his.

I agree...Romney owned that exchange.....bottom line...the guy knows business and knows how to govern a state. Hussein is a community organizer.
Title: Re: Official G & O Debate Rematch Thread
Post by: Princess L on October 16, 2012, 06:42:42 PM
How the F'K was this question allowed?  6 damn minutes wasted on gender equality in the workplace?  ::)
Title: Re: Official G & O Debate Rematch Thread
Post by: chaos on October 16, 2012, 06:43:05 PM
Arguing politics is like counting to potato.
Title: Re: Official G & O Debate Rematch Thread
Post by: Weightpit on October 16, 2012, 06:45:55 PM
How the F'K was this question allowed?  6 damn minutes wasted on gender equality in the workplace?  ::)

Eh.....they had to get it in......the female vote is a big deal...as it should be.
Title: Re: Official G & O Debate Rematch Thread
Post by: garebear on October 16, 2012, 06:47:53 PM
Great question about Bush Romney difference.

Title: Re: Official G & O Debate Rematch Thread
Post by: Weightpit on October 16, 2012, 06:48:35 PM
Great question about Bush Romney difference.



It is and Romney is killing it. Awesome response!
Title: Re: Official G & O Debate Rematch Thread
Post by: garebear on October 16, 2012, 06:50:09 PM
Romney is going to keep tax cuts for the rich. Exactly the same as Bush.

He's lovin it.

Title: Re: Official G & O Debate Rematch Thread
Post by: MCWAY on October 16, 2012, 06:50:54 PM
Romney is going to keep tax cuts for the rich. Exactly the same as Bush.

He's lovin it.



He's keeping the tax cuts for EVERYBODY. Romney's already taken Obama apart on taxes, both in this debate and the last one.
Title: Re: Official G & O Debate Rematch Thread
Post by: tonymctones on October 16, 2012, 06:51:24 PM
He never explains them. He's had months to do it.

You need to get other sources of information than Fox News.

You're not very well-read.
Agreed, you should look into Ernst and Young one of the most respected consulting and accounting firms in the worlds study of obamas tax plan.

***Spoiler***

It will cost the economy 700,000+ jobs...
Title: Re: Official G & O Debate Rematch Thread
Post by: Weightpit on October 16, 2012, 06:51:45 PM
He's keeping the tax cuts for EVERYBODY. Romney's already taken Obama apart on taxes, both in this debate and the last one.

Exactly....what's everyone missing here?   
Title: Re: Official G & O Debate Rematch Thread
Post by: garebear on October 16, 2012, 06:51:57 PM
Loving this Obama. Right in Romney's face (no homo).
Title: Re: Official G & O Debate Rematch Thread
Post by: Weightpit on October 16, 2012, 06:56:07 PM
Loving this Obama. Right in Romney's face (no homo).

Not so fast....Romney slamming it home now.....
Title: Re: Official G & O Debate Rematch Thread
Post by: BIG ACH on October 16, 2012, 06:57:24 PM
I am very much liking Obama tonight!!!  he is killing it,  HUGE improvement from last time!
Title: Re: Official G & O Debate Rematch Thread
Post by: MCWAY on October 16, 2012, 06:58:18 PM
Who's your daddy, Barack? Romney keeps pounding him with that record of his. How many teeth are left in that mouth?
Title: Re: Official G & O Debate Rematch Thread
Post by: Aerian on October 16, 2012, 06:58:21 PM
The colored guy sure asked a good question
Title: Re: Official G & O Debate Rematch Thread
Post by: Aerian on October 16, 2012, 06:59:24 PM
I am very much liking Obama tonight!!!  he is killing it,  HUGE improvement from last time!

Too bad what he has actually done has made this country worse instead of better. 
Title: Re: Official G & O Debate Rematch Thread
Post by: BIG ACH on October 16, 2012, 06:59:32 PM
no matter who wins....  I don't think there is hope for Jeremy,  brother is never getting a job!  ;D
Title: Re: Official G & O Debate Rematch Thread
Post by: Weightpit on October 16, 2012, 07:00:27 PM
I am very much liking Obama tonight!!!  he is killing it,  HUGE improvement from last time!

Ya but his record sucks......Romney is killing it on immigration now too
Title: Re: Official G & O Debate Rematch Thread
Post by: Weightpit on October 16, 2012, 07:01:29 PM
The colored guy sure asked a good question
;D
Title: Re: Official G & O Debate Rematch Thread
Post by: BIG ACH on October 16, 2012, 07:01:40 PM
that hoochie mama was annoying, oh and wyhi?
Title: Re: Official G & O Debate Rematch Thread
Post by: Aerian on October 16, 2012, 07:01:47 PM
no matter who wins....  I don't think there is hope for Jeremy,  brother is never getting a job!  ;D

Haha.  
Title: Re: Official G & O Debate Rematch Thread
Post by: Weightpit on October 16, 2012, 07:02:22 PM
that hoochie mama was annoying, oh and wyhi?

Nope
Title: Re: Official G & O Debate Rematch Thread
Post by: Aerian on October 16, 2012, 07:02:39 PM
that hoochie mama was annoying, oh and wyhi?

I would in a heart beat.  All the while still paying attention to the rest of the debate.
Title: Re: Official G & O Debate Rematch Thread
Post by: BIG ACH on October 16, 2012, 07:03:18 PM
Obama's answer is better on immigration
Title: Re: Official G & O Debate Rematch Thread
Post by: garebear on October 16, 2012, 07:03:41 PM
How will this debate be played out in the press?
Title: Re: Official G & O Debate Rematch Thread
Post by: Princess L on October 16, 2012, 07:04:05 PM
Smartly like gangbangers  ???
 ::)
Title: Re: Official G & O Debate Rematch Thread
Post by: Weightpit on October 16, 2012, 07:05:24 PM
How will this debate be played out in the press?

Oh the libs are Cumming in their pants because he showed up better than the first but he is not winning this. His base will be happy but Romney is still exposing him....
Title: Re: Official G & O Debate Rematch Thread
Post by: Weightpit on October 16, 2012, 07:06:26 PM
I would in a heart beat.  All the while still paying attention to the rest of the debate.
;D
Title: Re: Official G & O Debate Rematch Thread
Post by: Aerian on October 16, 2012, 07:07:54 PM
How great would it be for one of them to just get mad and cold cock the other. 

Would be talked about for decades
Title: Re: Official G & O Debate Rematch Thread
Post by: Princess L on October 16, 2012, 07:08:20 PM
How will this debate be played out in the press?

Who you trying to kid?  It's already been played out  ::)
Title: Re: Official G & O Debate Rematch Thread
Post by: jude2 on October 16, 2012, 07:08:54 PM
How great would it be for one of them to just get mad and cold cock the other. 

Would be talked about for decades
It looked that way for a second.
Title: Re: Official G & O Debate Rematch Thread
Post by: garebear on October 16, 2012, 07:09:45 PM
Obama controlling the narrative. Looking strong.

Title: Re: Official G & O Debate Rematch Thread
Post by: Weightpit on October 16, 2012, 07:09:48 PM
Uh-oh.....finally about the terrorist attack that's been covered up..
Title: Re: Official G & O Debate Rematch Thread
Post by: nzmusclemonster on October 16, 2012, 07:09:59 PM
How great would it be for one of them to just get mad and cold cock the other. 

Would be talked about for decades

No homo ???
Title: Re: Official G & O Debate Rematch Thread
Post by: Aerian on October 16, 2012, 07:11:00 PM
No homo ???

Nah, lets make it all homo.  Make the debate even more interesting.
Title: Re: Official G & O Debate Rematch Thread
Post by: jude2 on October 16, 2012, 07:11:34 PM
OH shit not the Libya question. Obama is skirting around this.
Title: Re: Official G & O Debate Rematch Thread
Post by: Weightpit on October 16, 2012, 07:12:17 PM
Obama controlling the narrative. Looking strong.



um...ok
Title: Re: Official G & O Debate Rematch Thread
Post by: Princess L on October 16, 2012, 07:12:46 PM
Great question Kerry!!!
Title: Re: Official G & O Debate Rematch Thread
Post by: Weightpit on October 16, 2012, 07:13:55 PM
OH shit not the Libya question. Obama is skirting around this.

He dodged it big time
Title: Re: Official G & O Debate Rematch Thread
Post by: Bevo on October 16, 2012, 07:14:28 PM
"Carebear"
Title: Re: Official G & O Debate Rematch Thread
Post by: Aerian on October 16, 2012, 07:17:31 PM
This has had some damn sure heated moments.  Quite entertaining.

Title: Re: Official G & O Debate Rematch Thread
Post by: BIG ACH on October 16, 2012, 07:17:37 PM
yeah Romney lost that one about libya
Title: Re: Official G & O Debate Rematch Thread
Post by: garebear on October 16, 2012, 07:18:07 PM
Crowd cheering for Obama.

I'm McLovin it.

Title: Re: Official G & O Debate Rematch Thread
Post by: Weightpit on October 16, 2012, 07:18:58 PM
yeah Romney lost that one about libya

How so?
Title: Re: Official G & O Debate Rematch Thread
Post by: MCWAY on October 16, 2012, 07:19:05 PM
Oh the libs are Cumming in their pants because he showed up better than the first but he is not winning this. His base will be happy but Romney is still exposing him....

Charles Krauthammer basically described it earlier today. All he had to do is talk to someone with a pulse and he'd look better than he did about two weeks ago.

Romney is pounding him, big time, especially on the immigration. Notice how Obama NEVER ANSWERED why he didn't pass immigration reform, despite having a supermajority in the Senate and a huge majority in the House.
Title: Re: Official G & O Debate Rematch Thread
Post by: jude2 on October 16, 2012, 07:19:25 PM
yeah Romney lost that one about libya
Bullshit. Both of these assholes speak in circles. They don't answer anything.
Title: Re: Official G & O Debate Rematch Thread
Post by: BIG ACH on October 16, 2012, 07:19:51 PM
How so?

facts were wrong, candy practically told him to sit the fuck down and shut up
Title: Re: Official G & O Debate Rematch Thread
Post by: POB on October 16, 2012, 07:20:17 PM
He's keeping the tax cuts for EVERYBODY. Romney's already taken Obama apart on taxes, both in this debate and the last one.

I disagree... Yes he's says he will lower taxes,but in his words gives you a " bucket #25k" and no deductions. So lets say the avg family man writes off 36k mortgage int,7k charity,4500k child credit, and another 10k misc that's a total of 57,500. Would you rather have 25k or 57,500 in deductions? I hope your a business making more than a million a year, because if your like the example I just gave and voting romney your a fool...
Title: Re: Official G & O Debate Rematch Thread
Post by: jude2 on October 16, 2012, 07:20:49 PM
facts were wrong, candy practically told him to sit the fuck down and shut up
Title: Re: Official G & O Debate Rematch Thread
Post by: Soul Crusher on October 16, 2012, 07:21:39 PM
Obama lied about Lybia - he went to Vegas and the View for fundraisers while the fucking embassy was under attack! 
Title: Re: Official G & O Debate Rematch Thread
Post by: Weightpit on October 16, 2012, 07:22:23 PM
facts were wrong, candy practically told him to sit the fuck down and shut up

Yep....he could have done better.....
Title: Re: Official G & O Debate Rematch Thread
Post by: garebear on October 16, 2012, 07:22:37 PM
Nobody's going near that gun question.
Title: Re: Official G & O Debate Rematch Thread
Post by: jude2 on October 16, 2012, 07:22:48 PM
facts were wrong, candy practically told him to sit the fuck down and shut up
My hometown news paper took a week to inform us that it wasn't a protest over a film.
Title: Re: Official G & O Debate Rematch Thread
Post by: Weightpit on October 16, 2012, 07:23:27 PM
Nobody's going near that gun question.

grin.....nope.
Title: Re: Official G & O Debate Rematch Thread
Post by: Aerian on October 16, 2012, 07:24:18 PM
At end of the day...who won this debate is going to be a coin flip....depending on who you speak with.
Title: Re: Official G & O Debate Rematch Thread
Post by: Soul Crusher on October 16, 2012, 07:24:43 PM
At end of the day...who won this debate is going to be a coin flip....depending on who you speak with.

This format is awful 
Title: Re: Official G & O Debate Rematch Thread
Post by: MCWAY on October 16, 2012, 07:24:48 PM
facts were wrong, candy practically told him to sit the fuck down and shut up

Not really!! She basically agreed with both of them (moreso with Romney), confirming that it did take two weeks for the story to switch from this being caused by a tape to it being a legitimate terrorist attack.
Title: Re: Official G & O Debate Rematch Thread
Post by: BIG ACH on October 16, 2012, 07:25:36 PM
I've said this before and I will say it again...

I actually like Romney, but I like Obama more.......... and I like Obama even more tonight :-D
Title: Re: Official G & O Debate Rematch Thread
Post by: Aerian on October 16, 2012, 07:25:53 PM
This format is awful 

It really is for getting information but.....it has led to some very confrontational and entertaining moments.
Title: Re: Official G & O Debate Rematch Thread
Post by: Weightpit on October 16, 2012, 07:25:59 PM
This format is awful 

I agree....I hate it..  But....you can definitely tell that these guys do not like each other.
Title: Re: Official G & O Debate Rematch Thread
Post by: MCWAY on October 16, 2012, 07:26:07 PM
At end of the day...who won this debate is going to be a coin flip....depending on who you speak with.

IF that's the case, it helps Romney way more than Obama. Romney smoked him the first debate and he's pretty much beating on him in this one, especially by bringing up Obama's record and reminding him that HE, not Bush, has been president the last four years.
Title: Re: Official G & O Debate Rematch Thread
Post by: Weightpit on October 16, 2012, 07:26:38 PM
IF that's the case, it helps Romney way more than Obama. Romney smoked him the first debate and he's pretty much beating on him in this one, especially by bringing up Obama's record and reminding him that HE, not Bush, has been president the last four years.


I agree
Title: Re: Official G & O Debate Rematch Thread
Post by: POB on October 16, 2012, 07:26:58 PM
This format is awful 

Is it because Romney walks like a stiff corpse :D
Title: Re: Official G & O Debate Rematch Thread
Post by: Princess L on October 16, 2012, 07:28:08 PM
Grow a spine lady!  MOVE ON!
Title: Re: Official G & O Debate Rematch Thread
Post by: The_Hammer on October 16, 2012, 07:29:06 PM
First hour was back and forth, neither gave ground.

However, Obama stole the show the last half hour.

WINNER - President Obama.
Title: Re: Official G & O Debate Rematch Thread
Post by: MCWAY on October 16, 2012, 07:29:20 PM
This format is awful 

I concur. The first debate format was better. Ask the question; get out of the way; and let the two guys start scrappin'.
Title: Re: Official G & O Debate Rematch Thread
Post by: MCWAY on October 16, 2012, 07:30:57 PM
First hour was back and forth, neither gave ground.

However, Obama stole the show the last half hour.

WINNER - President Obama.



YOU WISH!! Romney tore him up, on immigration, on jobs, on taxes, the list goes on. All Obama did was ingest some caffeine and get animated. But, his answers were as hollow as they were in Denver.

He DUCKED the immigration question, went mute on the Libya routine, and didn't even come close to defending his signature piece of legislation (ObamaCare).

Title: Re: Official G & O Debate Rematch Thread
Post by: Nomad on October 16, 2012, 07:33:25 PM
IF that's the case, it helps Romney way more than Obama. Romney smoked him the first debate and he's pretty much beating on him in this one, especially by bringing up Obama's record and reminding him that HE, not Bush, has been president the last four years.

You sure about that? Obama and most of his supporters still tend to think that Bush just left the oval office and any of the current problems are still Bush's fault.
Title: Re: Official G & O Debate Rematch Thread
Post by: Weightpit on October 16, 2012, 07:34:00 PM
YOU WISH!! Romney tore him up, on immigration, on jobs, on taxes, the list goes on. All Obama did was ingest some caffeine and get animated. But, his answers were as hollow as they were in Denver.

He DUCKED the immigration question, went mute on the Libya routine, and didn't even come close to defending his signature piece of legislation (ObamaCare).



As I said....the base will be happy because Barrack actually showed life.....but he did not win this.
Title: Re: Official G & O Debate Rematch Thread
Post by: The_Hammer on October 16, 2012, 07:35:57 PM
YOU WISH!! Romney tore him up, on immigration, on jobs, on taxes, the list goes on. All Obama did was ingest some caffeine and get animated. But, his answers were as hollow as they were in Denver.

He DUCKED the immigration question, went mute on the Libya routine, and didn't even come close to defending his signature piece of legislation (ObamaCare).



I disagree, I believe President Obama actually provided facts and figures, while Mitt Romney promises unrealistic and mathematically impossible proposals.  I did think Mitt was good at defending his lies, therefore, appeared to do well even though he spews utter BS, IMO.

Mitt Rodney just plain came off as totally out of touch the last half hour.
Title: Re: Official G & O Debate Rematch Thread
Post by: Soul Crusher on October 16, 2012, 07:36:09 PM
Does obama think Govt created Apple?  


LOL!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Official G & O Debate Rematch Thread
Post by: Aerian on October 16, 2012, 07:36:20 PM
IF that's the case, it helps Romney way more than Obama. Romney smoked him the first debate and he's pretty much beating on him in this one, especially by bringing up Obama's record and reminding him that HE, not Bush, has been president the last four years.

I agree but sadly I do not think alot of people will see it the same way.  Instead they will favor whoever they prefer.
Title: Re: Official G & O Debate Rematch Thread
Post by: MCWAY on October 16, 2012, 07:37:53 PM
You sure about that? Obama and most of his supporters still tend to think that Bush just left the oval office and any of the current problems are still Bush's fault.

Fortunately, there are more people in this country that just Obama supporters. In fact, some Obama supporters from 2008 are now defecting, perhaps enough to put Romney over the top.
Title: Re: Official G & O Debate Rematch Thread
Post by: Weightpit on October 16, 2012, 07:37:57 PM
Does obama think Govt created Apple?  


LOL!!!!!!!
;D
Title: Re: Official G & O Debate Rematch Thread
Post by: POB on October 16, 2012, 07:38:03 PM
YOU WISH!! Romney tore him up, on immigration, on jobs, on taxes, the list goes on. All Obama did was ingest some caffeine and get animated. But, his answers were as hollow as they were in Denver.

He DUCKED the immigration question, went mute on the Libya routine, and didn't even come close to defending his signature piece of legislation (ObamaCare).



Jobs was a push. Romney lost on immigration,Obama tried immigration reform and the republicans Voted it down. But he did try not his fault. Obama won by far on taxes. unless your rich rich,not 200k a year and think your rich, you will pay more under Romney.

The obamacare is still unknown so far I know a lot of people getting money back this year. I think putting regulations on insurance company's so they don't price gouge is a good thing.
Title: Re: Official G & O Debate Rematch Thread
Post by: Aerian on October 16, 2012, 07:38:24 PM
OOOOHHH there is that 47% remark.  I was waiting for that.
Title: Re: Official G & O Debate Rematch Thread
Post by: Soul Crusher on October 16, 2012, 07:38:58 PM
Jobs was a push. Romney lost on immigration,Obama tried immigration reform and the republicans Voted it down. But he did try not his fault. Obama won by far on taxes. unless your rich rich,not 200k a year and think your rich, you will pay more under Romney.

The obamacare is still unknown so far I know a lot of people getting money back this year. I think putting regulations on insurance company's so they don't price gouge is a good thing.

There was no vote on immigration.  FAIL
Title: Re: Official G & O Debate Rematch Thread
Post by: POB on October 16, 2012, 07:39:46 PM
I disagree, I believe President Obama actually provided facts and figures, while Mitt Romney promises unrealistic and mathematically impossible proposals.  I did think Mitt was good at defending his lies, therefore, appeared to do well even though he spews utter BS, IMO.

Mitt Rodney just plain came off as totally out of touch the last half hour.

I agree
Title: Re: Official G & O Debate Rematch Thread
Post by: Soul Crusher on October 16, 2012, 07:39:50 PM
So when asked to correct misperceptions about himself, Obama attacks Romney.

Yup  
Title: Re: Official G & O Debate Rematch Thread
Post by: The_Hammer on October 16, 2012, 07:39:56 PM
AND THEN OBAMA GOES FOR THE KILL "47%"


BOOOOOM!!!!
Title: Re: Official G & O Debate Rematch Thread
Post by: POB on October 16, 2012, 07:40:29 PM
There was no vote on immigration.  FAIL

The republicans did not support it,but he DID try
Title: Re: Official G & O Debate Rematch Thread
Post by: The_Hammer on October 16, 2012, 07:41:03 PM
David Brooks, Conservative columnist, "Obama won".
Title: Re: Official G & O Debate Rematch Thread
Post by: Hulkotron on October 16, 2012, 07:41:32 PM
I don't know what debate most of you guys were watching, I like Romney well enough but Obama massacred him tonight.  Not as bad as the first debate was in favor of Romney but this wasn't close.
Title: Re: Official G & O Debate Rematch Thread
Post by: jude2 on October 16, 2012, 07:42:09 PM
THey are going to say it was 50-50 just like the VP debate and the polls to keep it interesting.
Title: Re: Official G & O Debate Rematch Thread
Post by: MCWAY on October 16, 2012, 07:42:44 PM
I disagree, I believe President Obama actually provided facts and figures, while Mitt Romney promises unrealistic and mathematically impossible proposals.  I did think Mitt was good at defending his lies, therefore, appeared to do well even though he spews utter BS, IMO.

Obama provided no such thing. He didn't provide how he was going to cut the deficit (or why he failed to do so, during the last four years).

He DODGED the immigration reform. He has NO EXCUSE, when he had a supermajority in the Senate and near-supermajority in the House.

And, most of all, unemployment was supposed to be 5.5% at this point...NOT EVEN CLOSE.

Romney bludgeoned Obama with his record and Obama went MUTE.

Mitt Rodney just plain came off as totally out of touch the last half hour.

That "out of touch" spiel is tired. He described why jobs are leaving and ask a lady who inquired about bringing jobs back, where she would start her business, if America's tax rate was 35% while that of Canada wa 15%?

All Obama did was repeated his hollow talking points, with some zest and zeal. Romney took them apart last debate; he took them apart THIS DEBATE.
Title: Re: Official G & O Debate Rematch Thread
Post by: Princess L on October 16, 2012, 07:44:13 PM
Jobs was a push. Romney lost on immigration,Obama tried immigration reform and the republicans Voted it down. But he did try not his fault. Obama won by far on taxes. unless your rich rich,not 200k a year and think your rich, you will pay more under Romney.

The obamacare is still unknown so far I know a lot of people getting money back this year.
I think putting regulations on insurance company's so they don't price gouge is a good thing.

2014 is when Obamacare/TAX takes effect.
Title: Re: Official G & O Debate Rematch Thread
Post by: MCWAY on October 16, 2012, 07:45:17 PM
Jobs was a push. Romney lost on immigration,Obama tried immigration reform and the republicans Voted it down. But he did try not his fault. Obama won by far on taxes. unless your rich rich,not 200k a year and think your rich, you will pay more under Romney.

The obamacare is still unknown so far I know a lot of people getting money back this year. I think putting regulations on insurance company's so they don't price gouge is a good thing.

Are you serious? Obama had A SUPERMAJORITY in the Senate; the GOP couldn't stop him if they tried. Romney pointed that out; heck, Univision did the same to him about a month ago. And, Obama was as mush-mouthed about it then as he is now.

You're chirping the usual Obama talking points, which Romney shredded nearly two weeks ago.

As for ObamaCare, premiums are going THROUGH THE ROOF. Mine just went up. If ObamaCare were so great, the Democrats wouldn't have had the dog kicked out of them in 2010.
Title: Re: Official G & O Debate Rematch Thread
Post by: Soul Crusher on October 16, 2012, 07:45:55 PM
The republicans did not support it,but he DID try

False - Obama and the Dems - NEVER introduced a bill on this. 
Title: Re: Official G & O Debate Rematch Thread
Post by: Necrosis on October 16, 2012, 07:46:07 PM
Yup  

you fucking tards, romney did the same thing. obama has ads that attack me blah blah..

jesus you must only hear what your team says hey?
Title: Re: Official G & O Debate Rematch Thread
Post by: haider on October 16, 2012, 07:46:55 PM
Damn that shit was entertaining at parts  ;D
Title: Re: Official G & O Debate Rematch Thread
Post by: Necrosis on October 16, 2012, 07:47:14 PM
Are you serious? Obama had A SUPERMAJORITY in the Senate; the GOP couldn't stop him if they tried. Romney pointed that out; heck, Univision did the same to him about a month ago. And, Obama was as mush-mouthed about it then as he is now.

You're chirping the usual Obama talking points, which Romney shredded nearly two weeks ago.

As for ObamaCare, premiums are going THROUGH THE ROOF. Mine just went up. If ObamaCare were so great, the Democrats wouldn't have had the dog kicked out of them in 2010.

he got owned, go prey to jesus.
Title: Re: Official G & O Debate Rematch Thread
Post by: calfzilla on October 16, 2012, 07:48:38 PM
Obama the clear winner in this debate.  PIP Willard Romney.   :'(
Title: Re: Official G & O Debate Rematch Thread
Post by: tommywishbone on October 16, 2012, 07:48:56 PM
Welcome to 2002, no cell phones. Lots of yellow disposable camera in sight.
Title: Re: Official G & O Debate Rematch Thread
Post by: haider on October 16, 2012, 07:49:20 PM
Obama the clear winner in this debate.  PIP Willard Romney.   :'(
howcome his first name is NEVER mentioned? just found out about it on wiki the other day  ???
Title: Re: Official G & O Debate Rematch Thread
Post by: Weightpit on October 16, 2012, 07:50:32 PM
Obama the clear winner in this debate.  PIP Willard Romney.   :'(


No way......He did ok on some things but he did not  win this hands down.
Title: Re: Official G & O Debate Rematch Thread
Post by: polychronopolous on October 16, 2012, 07:53:23 PM
Damn that shit was entertaining at parts  ;D

George Will said he has witnessed every presidential debate since Kennedy Nixon in 1960 and it was the best he ever seen.
Title: Re: Official G & O Debate Rematch Thread
Post by: Marty Champions on October 16, 2012, 07:55:22 PM
AND THEN OBAMA GOES FOR THE KILL "47%"


BOOOOOM!!!!

that was a pretty good angle for obama but stil in the debate

romney scored alot more points just by attacking his record alone
Title: Re: Official G & O Debate Rematch Thread
Post by: Grape Ape on October 16, 2012, 07:55:33 PM
I honestly don't know how any objective person could reasonably say either guy destroyed the other.

It was punch, counter, punch, counter.....
Title: Re: Official G & O Debate Rematch Thread
Post by: Weightpit on October 16, 2012, 07:55:33 PM
George Will said he has witnessed every presidential debate since Kennedy Nixon in 1960 and it was the best he ever seen.

http://nationaljournal.com/2012-presidential-campaign/who-won-the-debate-obama-romney-tie-in-presidential-showdown-20121016
Title: Re: Official G & O Debate Rematch Thread
Post by: Soul Crusher on October 16, 2012, 07:55:51 PM
The republicans did not support it,but he DID try

He didnt try shit.   Fucking please.   
Title: Re: Official G & O Debate Rematch Thread
Post by: calfzilla on October 16, 2012, 07:56:03 PM

No way......He did ok on some things but he did not  win this hands down.

I'm pretty much just trollin dude.  But I really do support Obama.  
Title: Re: Official G & O Debate Rematch Thread
Post by: Weightpit on October 16, 2012, 07:57:36 PM
I'm pretty much just trollin dude.  But I really do support Obama.  

That's okay, dude......we're all in it together......I just don't think he's up to the task. I think he's a cool guy guy, though.
Title: Re: Official G & O Debate Rematch Thread
Post by: BIG DUB on October 16, 2012, 08:00:44 PM
Title: Re: Official G & O Debate Rematch Thread
Post by: MCWAY on October 16, 2012, 08:10:04 PM
he got owned, go prey to jesus.

Hardly!! Romney brought up Obama's failure on immigration reform (he didn't pass it in his first year, DESPITE a supermajority in the Senate and big majority in the House). Obama goes mute.

Romney brought up his failure to cut the deficit in half. Obama is MIA.

Romney hit him with the unemployment numbers, which was supposed to be 5.5% at this point. Obama got lockjaw.

Romney slammed him with the INCREASE in premiums, due to ObamaCare. Obama had NOTHING to defend his signature legislation.

Obama owned Romney? Not in this lifetime!! And considering that Obama has plunged in the polls the last two weeks, you might want to do the praying.
Title: Re: Official G & O Debate Rematch Thread
Post by: Soul Crusher on October 16, 2012, 08:14:36 PM
Obama's lies will be the story over the next few days. 
Title: Re: Official G & O Debate Rematch Thread
Post by: G_Thang on October 16, 2012, 08:22:23 PM
What debate are you watching? Romney not only explained his tax plans, but (as usual) he turned it right on Obama and brought up that pesky record of his.

You seem to be the only guy along with that drug addict fool, Wackdaddy, saying, Romney won tonight.  Like BIGACH, I could careless either way, but I personally believe it takes 2 terms to see the full outcome of any administration.  Romney is all talk and speaks of unrealistic mathematical outcomes, and won't get shit accomplished in 4 years, so I'll vote Obama and debate over the two new candidates 4 years from now. 
Title: Re: Official G & O Debate Rematch Thread
Post by: Soul Crusher on October 16, 2012, 08:23:16 PM
Sorry, Candy, Obama Didn’t Call Benghazi A Terrorist Attack In Speech….

http://weaselzippers.us/2012/10/16/sorry-candy-obama-didnt-call-benghazi-a-terrorist-attack-in-speech


 
Tonight’s debate moderator Candy Crowley tried to fact check Romney and claim Obama did indeed call Benghazi a terror attack the next day. Here’s the text from Obama’s Rose Garden speech the day after the attack:
 

THE PRESIDENT:  Good morning.  Every day, all across the world, American diplomats and civilians work tirelessly to advance the interests and values of our nation.  Often, they are away from their families.  Sometimes, they brave great danger.
 
Yesterday, four of these extraordinary Americans were killed in an attack on our diplomatic post in Benghazi.  Among those killed was our Ambassador, Chris Stevens, as well as Foreign Service Officer Sean Smith.  We are still notifying the families of the others who were killed.  And today, the American people stand united in holding the families of the four Americans in our thoughts and in our prayers.
 
The United States condemns in the strongest terms this outrageous and shocking attack.  We’re working with the government of Libya to secure our diplomats.  I’ve also directed my administration to increase our security at diplomatic posts around the world.  And make no mistake, we will work with the Libyan government to bring to justice the killers who attacked our people. [...]
 
Of course, yesterday was already a painful day for our nation as we marked the solemn memory of the 9/11 attacks.  We mourned with the families who were lost on that day.  I visited the graves of troops who made the ultimate sacrifice in Iraq and Afghanistan at the hallowed grounds of Arlington Cemetery, and had the opportunity to say thank you and visit some of our wounded warriors at Walter Reed.  And then last night, we learned the news of this attack in Benghazi.
 
As Americans, let us never, ever forget that our freedom is only sustained because there are people who are willing to fight for it, to stand up for it, and in some cases, lay down their lives for it.  Our country is only as strong as the character of our people and the service of those both civilian and military who represent us around the globe.
 
No acts of terror will ever shake the resolve of this great nation, alter that character, or eclipse the light of the values that we stand for.  Today we mourn four more Americans who represent the very best of the United States of America.  We will not waver in our commitment to see that justice is done for this terrible act.  And make no mistake, justice will be done.
 
— President Obama, Rose Garden statement, Sept. 12
 
Alana Goodman breaks this down better than I can in this September 30th article:
 

Obama said during the speech that “No acts of terror will ever shake the resolve of this great nation” — but at no point was it clear that he was using that term to describe the attack in Benghazi. He’d also spent the previous two paragraphs discussing the 9/11 attacks and the aftermath. “Acts of terror” could have just as easily been a reference to that. Or maybe it wasn’t a direct reference to anything, just a generic, reassuring line he’d added into a speech which did take place, after all, the day after the anniversary of the 9/11 attacks. Here’s the line with some additional context
Title: Re: Official G & O Debate Rematch Thread
Post by: Princess L on October 16, 2012, 08:28:41 PM
I know most GB's don't care about Medicare, but it's a HUGE issue to a HUGE segment of the voting population and Obama has them scared shitless with the BS he's been spewing about it.  It should've been discussed tonight.
Title: Re: Official G & O Debate Rematch Thread
Post by: MCWAY on October 16, 2012, 08:30:43 PM
You seem to be the only guy along with that drug addict fool, Wackdaddy, saying, Romney won tonight.  Like BIGACH, I could careless either way, but I personally believe it takes 2 terms to see the full outcome of any administration.  Romney is all talk and speaks of unrealistic mathematical outcomes, and won't get shit accomplished in 4 years, so I'll vote Obama and debate over the two new candidates 4 years from now. 

Sorry, but you earn a second term in this country. You don't get one handed to you. All Obama did was parroting the left's talking point in over-caffeinated fashion, a far cry from what he did two weeks ago.

Yet, every time Romney hit him about his record (immigration, taxes, jobs, unemployment, ObamaCare, etc), Obama clammed up, BIG TIME.

As I said, Obama NEVER ANSWERED why he didn't pass immigration reform, when the Dems had both houses of Congress (Supermajority in the Senate).

When Romney hit him on the skyrocketing healthcare premiums.....ZILCH from the president. And the list goes onward.

Title: Re: Official G & O Debate Rematch Thread
Post by: DanielPaul on October 16, 2012, 08:35:39 PM
Obama straight up fucking lied about calling the libyia scandle a terrorist act on sept 12 they just show the footage of the context he was using the act of terror phrase and he was refering to sept 11 2001 and that stupid bitch whore cocksucking moderator covered his ass knowing it was a fucking lie.  straight up fucking FILT!
Title: Re: Official G & O Debate Rematch Thread
Post by: POB on October 16, 2012, 08:36:21 PM

2014 is when Obamacare/TAX takes effect.

Which is what? To who the insured or the insurance company? I'm for regulations so when you get $200 worth of care your not charged 5k. I think time will tell. I was against it at 1st too,but looking at $ I got back this year and lower copays I'm starting to think it might not be that bad. I am not an isolated case either I know a bunch of people that at least saved a few hundred in copays.

And romneys Medicare plan sucks he wants to hand you a "voucher" and let you shop for insurance. So lets say he hands you 3k dollar voucher and you go shop. Right now today insurance is $500/ month at least. 500x12= 6k per year. Guess where that other 3k comes from? Your pocket. If you AND your employer has paid 100s of thousands of dollars into these plans they are not a "handout". If I'm not gonna be able to collect on it I should beable to defer that $ to a retirement account,not just lose it.
Title: Re: Official G & O Debate Rematch Thread
Post by: MCWAY on October 16, 2012, 08:37:19 PM
Obama straight up fucking lied about calling the libyia scandle a terrorist act on sept 12 they just show the footage of the context he was using the act of terror phrase and he was refering to sept 11 2001 and that stupid bitch whore cocksucking moderator covered his ass knowing it was a fucking lie.  straight up fucking FILT!

Obama is going to get skewered on this one big time. Not only could he NOT defend his record but now he has to explain this. If the polls widen for Romney as a result, the lefties made need to invest in buckets of Maalox.
Title: Re: Official G & O Debate Rematch Thread
Post by: POB on October 16, 2012, 08:37:36 PM
I know most GB's don't care about Medicare, but it's a HUGE issue to a HUGE segment of the voting population and Obama has them scared shitless with the BS he's been spewing about it.  It should've been discussed tonight.

What BS? Romney wants to hand you a "voucher" it's not bs,read my above reply to you
Title: Re: Official G & O Debate Rematch Thread
Post by: Soul Crusher on October 16, 2012, 08:39:05 PM
What BS? that Romney wants to hand you a "voucher" it's not bs,read my above reply to you

Medicare is broke and will collapse as it is! 
Title: Re: Official G & O Debate Rematch Thread
Post by: jude2 on October 16, 2012, 08:39:45 PM
I honestly don't know how any objective person could reasonably say either guy destroyed the other.

It was punch, counter, punch, counter.....
THis the dem will say Obama won and rep will say Romney won, as simple as that. No one is objective anymore, it is just like BB subjective.
Title: Re: Official G & O Debate Rematch Thread
Post by: Hulkotron on October 16, 2012, 08:40:13 PM
If you just take good care of your self and eat sensible things and exercise your need for medicine is eliminated in most cases.
Title: Re: Official G & O Debate Rematch Thread
Post by: POB on October 16, 2012, 08:41:00 PM
Medicare is broke and will collapse as it is! 

Voucher is not the answer people have paid 100s of thousands of dollars over 30+ years into them and company's have matched that amount to change the deal now is bullshit
Title: Re: Official G & O Debate Rematch Thread
Post by: DanielPaul on October 16, 2012, 08:42:15 PM
Im a honest to goodness straigt up independent any I have voted both dem and repub , but if dems cant see that this arrogant fuck is going to be absolutely 10 time worse in his second term you are blind and you are as retarted as ronnie coleman sounds
Title: Re: Official G & O Debate Rematch Thread
Post by: jude2 on October 16, 2012, 08:43:20 PM
I honestly don't know how any objective person could reasonably say either guy destroyed the other.

It was punch, counter, punch, counter.....
THis the dem will say Obama won and rep will say Romney won, as simple as that. No one is objective anymore, it is just like BB subjective.
Title: Re: Official G & O Debate Rematch Thread
Post by: Princess L on October 16, 2012, 08:47:46 PM
Which is what? To who the insured or the insurance company? I'm for regulations so when you get $200 worth of care your not charged 5k. I think time will tell. I was against it at 1st too,but looking at $ I got back this year and lower copays I'm starting to think it might not be that bad. I am not an isolated case either I know a bunch of people that at least saved a few hundred in copays.

And romneys Medicare plan sucks he wants to hand you a "voucher" and let you shop for insurance. So lets say he hands you 3k dollar voucher and you go shop. Right now today insurance is $500/ month at least. 500x12= 6k per year. Guess where that other 3k comes from? Your pocket. If you AND your employer has paid 100s of thousands of dollars into these plans they are not a "handout". If I'm not gonna be able to collect on it I should beable to defer that $ to a retirement account,not just lose it.

The insured. The mandate has two parts: the requirement to have coverage and the penalty  tax for not getting it.  Why aren’t both considered a tax?

Under this mandate, the government is forcing people to spend money, fining you if you don’t.  How is that not a tax?”

And if both the premium and the penalty are considered a tax, the mandate becomes the largest tax increase in U.S. history.
Title: Re: Official G & O Debate Rematch Thread
Post by: DanielPaul on October 16, 2012, 08:48:55 PM
Oh and who couldnt see hillary falling on the sword today just to save Barry and then give him the oppertunity to look soooo responsable and reasonable by saying OH NO THIS IS COMPLETELY ON ME, bullshit they pinned her as the scape goat first thing this morning
Title: Re: Official G & O Debate Rematch Thread
Post by: Hulkotron on October 16, 2012, 08:49:33 PM
Which candidate would win in a posedown?

(http://www.desinuts.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/12/barack-obama-shirtless_448x629.jpg)

(http://cdn.theatlanticwire.com/img/upload/2012/03/16/topless.jpg)
Title: Re: Official G & O Debate Rematch Thread
Post by: Soul Crusher on October 16, 2012, 08:51:55 PM
Which candidate would win in a posedown?

(http://www.desinuts.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/12/barack-obama-shirtless_448x629.jpg)

(http://cdn.theatlanticwire.com/img/upload/2012/03/16/topless.jpg)

Mobacca for the Overall 
Title: Re: Official G & O Debate Rematch Thread
Post by: DanielPaul on October 16, 2012, 08:52:55 PM
Which is what? To who the insured or the insurance company? I'm for regulations so when you get $200 worth of care your not charged 5k. I think time will tell. I was against it at 1st too,but looking at $ I got back this year and lower copays I'm starting to think it might not be that bad. I am not an isolated case either I know a bunch of people that at least saved a few hundred in copays.

And romneys Medicare plan sucks he wants to hand you a "voucher" and let you shop for insurance. So lets say he hands you 3k dollar voucher and you go shop. Right now today insurance is $500/ month at least. 500x12= 6k per year. Guess where that other 3k comes from? Your pocket. If you AND your employer has paid 100s of thousands of dollars into these plans they are not a "handout". If I'm not gonna be able to collect on it I should beable to defer that $ to a retirement account,not just lose it.
You are the only fucking person ive heard of who has gotten lower copay mine have doubled in the last 2 years and I work for a company that is known for how wanderful the benes are
Title: Re: Official G & O Debate Rematch Thread
Post by: garebear on October 16, 2012, 08:54:53 PM
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Title: Re: Official G & O Debate Rematch Thread
Post by: Hulkotron on October 16, 2012, 08:56:56 PM
Mobacca for the Overall 

Obama works forearms with Big Dan Hill.
Title: Re: Official G & O Debate Rematch Thread
Post by: DanielPaul on October 16, 2012, 08:57:22 PM
screw this im moving over to the next thread to check out jodie marshed tits one last time and im hitting the sack  ;)
Title: Re: Official G & O Debate Rematch Thread
Post by: Soul Crusher on October 16, 2012, 08:57:42 PM
Obama works forearms with Big Dan Hill.

Yes but Michelle got bigger legs and glutes. 
Title: Re: Official G & O Debate Rematch Thread
Post by: jude2 on October 16, 2012, 08:57:50 PM
WHo would better handle the economy poll shows Romney 58% and Obama 40% from CNN. THis should be the most important issue in this election.
Title: Re: Official G & O Debate Rematch Thread
Post by: MCWAY on October 16, 2012, 08:59:08 PM
WHo would better handle the economy poll shows Romney 58% and Obama 40% from CNN. THis should be the most important issue in this election.

It IS. And, that's why Romney kept pounding Obama with Obama's lousy record, for which the president had no answer.
Title: Re: Official G & O Debate Rematch Thread
Post by: jude2 on October 16, 2012, 09:01:26 PM
You are the only fucking person ive heard of who has gotten lower copay mine have doubled in the last 2 years and I work for a company that is known for how wanderful the benes are
Same here, plus my premiums went up 25% each year.
Title: Re: Official G & O Debate Rematch Thread
Post by: MCWAY on October 16, 2012, 09:06:09 PM
Same here, plus my premiums went up 25% each year.

Mine went up too, not by that much, however.

That's another area where Romney took Obama apart. He told Obama, to his face, that ObamaCare has made premiums skyrocket, instead of lowering them. Yet, Obama didn't say ZIP about it. He couldn't defend ObamaCare, if his life depended on it.

Same goes for the food stamps issue, the decrease in family income, etc. Again, every time Romney hits Obama with that record, the president is utterly DEFENSELESS.
Title: Re: Official G & O Debate Rematch Thread
Post by: jude2 on October 16, 2012, 09:08:38 PM
The micros on CNN's "scientific" debate poll give Romney the lead on many, many fronts.
But they said Obama won the debate 46% to 39%., just not the important issues.
Title: Re: Official G & O Debate Rematch Thread
Post by: MCWAY on October 16, 2012, 09:10:27 PM
But they said Obama won the debate 46% to 39%., just not the important issues.

Of course! Because this was all about Obama, spitting out the left's talking points that he missed during the first debate. When it came to defending his own record and what he would do in a second term, he was as flat as a pancake.

Title: Re: Official G & O Debate Rematch Thread
Post by: Soul Crusher on October 16, 2012, 09:10:57 PM
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2012/10/16/luntz_focus_group_of_mostly_former_obama_voters_switch_to_romney.html


Obama voters switch to Romney 
Title: Re: Official G & O Debate Rematch Thread
Post by: bike nut on October 16, 2012, 09:18:10 PM
Loving this Obama. Right in Romney's face (no homo).

What the fuck are you talking about "no homo" you homosexual pedo prick?

You know damn well you partake in the kiddie sex trade in SE Asia, so you can hide from the police here.

You're a known dicksucking fag.got, you lying FILT.
Title: Re: Official G & O Debate Rematch Thread
Post by: Nomad on October 16, 2012, 09:26:13 PM
The micros on CNN's "scientific" debate poll give Romney the lead on many, many fronts.

I thought CNN was pro Obama...
Title: Re: Official G & O Debate Rematch Thread
Post by: tu_holmes on October 16, 2012, 09:30:08 PM
I thought CNN was pro Obama...

I think as far as cable news outlets go, CNN is the most even of the bunch.

CNN is maybe 55/45

MSNBC is like 95/5

Fox is like 25/75
Title: Re: Official G & O Debate Rematch Thread
Post by: MCWAY on October 16, 2012, 09:31:44 PM
I thought CNN was pro Obama...

It is.

I think as far as cable news outlets go, CNN is the most even of the bunch.

CNN is maybe 55/45

MSNBC is like 95/5

Fox is like 25/75

As far as being pro-Obama goes, the difference between CNN and MSNBC is the difference between a call girl and a hooker, respectively.
Title: Re: Official G & O Debate Rematch Thread
Post by: Roger Bacon on October 16, 2012, 09:31:50 PM
How the F'K was this question allowed?  6 damn minutes wasted on gender equality in the workplace?  ::)

I'm liking you more and more...  8)
Title: Re: Official G & O Debate Rematch Thread
Post by: tu_holmes on October 16, 2012, 09:32:41 PM
It is.

As far as being pro-Obama goes, the difference between CNN and MSNBC is the difference between a call girl and a hooker, respectively.

That's ridiculous.

It's not even in the same league... Not even close.

But you go ahead and keep telling yourself whatever you want.
Title: Re: Official G & O Debate Rematch Thread
Post by: Hulkotron on October 16, 2012, 09:32:53 PM
CNN used to be basically the liberal Fox News but now they are mostly interested in maintaining the narrative of a close election to keep viewers tuned in.

It admittedly is a close election though.

They are not even close to being as far left as MSNBC.
Title: Re: Official G & O Debate Rematch Thread
Post by: Roger Bacon on October 16, 2012, 09:32:57 PM
Say what you will about Romney, but he is not unprepared and thinks well on his feet. Obama is too tied to his lackluster record to convince anyone but diehard supporters.

Good analysis!
Title: Re: Official G & O Debate Rematch Thread
Post by: MCWAY on October 16, 2012, 09:41:02 PM
That's ridiculous.

It's not even in the same league... Not even close.

But you go ahead and keep telling yourself whatever you want.

Oh really!! Then explain the following:

Thirty-seven percent of 525 uncommitted voters who watched the debate declared Obama the winner in a CBS News poll, compared to 30 percent who said the same of Romney. Thirty-three percent said it was a tie. A CNN poll of 457 registered voters also gave the debate to the president,by a margin of 46 percent to 39 percent.

The CBS News poll had a margin of error of 4 percent, and the CNN poll was 4.5 percent.

Despite Obama’s slight edge overall, Romney was seen as better able to handle most issues. The trend was most notable in the CNN poll: he had an 18-point edge among registered voters on the economy (58 percent Romney, 40 percent Obama), a 3-point edge on health care (49 percent Romney, 46 percent Obama), a 7-point edge on taxes (51 percent Romney, 44 percent Obama), and, largest of all, a 23 percent edge on the deficit (59 percent Romney, 36 percent Obama). Obama’s only lead was on foreign policy, where a slim margin of 2 percent of registered voters who watched the debate said he would handle the issue better (49 percent Obama, 47 percent Romney).


As I asked elsewhere, how on Earth does Obama win the debate, overall, when you poll on FIVE specific topics, where Romney wins on FOUR OF THEM (especially the most important issue of this election, THE ECONOMY) and Obama barely wins on foreign policy?
Title: Re: Official G & O Debate Rematch Thread
Post by: Princess L on October 16, 2012, 09:41:13 PM
I'm liking you more and more...  8)

Not saying it's not an issue, but it's not a presidential debate issue.
Title: Re: Official G & O Debate Rematch Thread
Post by: Mr.1derful on October 16, 2012, 09:41:51 PM
WHo would better handle the economy poll shows Romney 58% and Obama 40% from CNN. THis should be the most important issue in this election.

For the economy to have even half a chance at being fixed, you'd need to get rid of these two crooks and put Ron Paul in office.  
Title: Re: Official G & O Debate Rematch Thread
Post by: Roger Bacon on October 16, 2012, 09:42:04 PM
Romney absolutely dominates, making Obama look like a child trying to keep up.



Title: Re: Official G & O Debate Rematch Thread
Post by: tu_holmes on October 16, 2012, 09:44:11 PM
Oh really!! Then explain the following:

Thirty-seven percent of 525 uncommitted voters who watched the debate declared Obama the winner in a CBS News poll, compared to 30 percent who said the same of Romney. Thirty-three percent said it was a tie. A CNN poll of 457 registered voters also gave the debate to the president,by a margin of 46 percent to 39 percent.

The CBS News poll had a margin of error of 4 percent, and the CNN poll was 4.5 percent.

Despite Obama’s slight edge overall, Romney was seen as better able to handle most issues. The trend was most notable in the CNN poll: he had an 18-point edge among registered voters on the economy (58 percent Romney, 40 percent Obama), a 3-point edge on health care (49 percent Romney, 46 percent Obama), a 7-point edge on taxes (51 percent Romney, 44 percent Obama), and, largest of all, a 23 percent edge on the deficit (59 percent Romney, 36 percent Obama). Obama’s only lead was on foreign policy, where a slim margin of 2 percent of registered voters who watched the debate said he would handle the issue better (49 percent Obama, 47 percent Romney).


As I asked elsewhere, how on Earth does Obama win the debate, overall, when you poll on FIVE specific topics, where Romney wins on FOUR OF THEM (especially the most important issue of this election, THE ECONOMY) and Obama barely wins on foreign policy?

So a poll... Of which are asked of people WATCHING, is now all of a sudden indicative of what the station does?

Interesting.

How do you come up with that? What's that correlation?

Title: Re: Official G & O Debate Rematch Thread
Post by: Roger Bacon on October 16, 2012, 09:45:34 PM
I (and millions like me) supported Obama after the Bush catastrophe.  What choice did we have?  

Millions of votes that he's not getting this time around

Title: Re: Official G & O Debate Rematch Thread
Post by: MCWAY on October 16, 2012, 09:47:01 PM
So a poll... Of which are asked of people WATCHING, is now all of a sudden indicative of what the station does?

Interesting.

How do you come up with that? What's that correlation?



Oh, there's more. Take the gas issue. When the prices were high in 2008, CNN was all over Bush. When they were/are high under Obama, you got nowhere near the same scrutiny from CNN on the president.
Title: Re: Official G & O Debate Rematch Thread
Post by: Roger Bacon on October 16, 2012, 09:49:37 PM
You ignorant bastards should have supported Ron Paul.  ::)
Title: Re: Official G & O Debate Rematch Thread
Post by: The True Adonis on October 16, 2012, 10:06:33 PM
Romney absolutely dominates, making Obama look like a child trying to keep up.




Uh, what debate were you watching.  Seriously, you are kidding right?
Title: Re: Official G & O Debate Rematch Thread
Post by: Roger Bacon on October 16, 2012, 10:10:04 PM
Uh, what debate were you watching.  Seriously, you are kidding right?

The first one, and the second one.

Romney confidently smiles while Obama is speaking, Obama shakes his head and blinks a lot while Romney is speaking.  Obama awkwardly stumbled around in this recent debate, walking back and forth behind Romney like a true beta.  

Candy Crawly trying to help him (Obama) on a few questions didn't help.
Title: Re: Official G & O Debate Rematch Thread
Post by: The True Adonis on October 16, 2012, 10:13:36 PM
The first one, and the second one.

Romney confidently smiles while Obama is speaking, Obama shakes his head and blinks a lot while Romney is speaking.  Obama awkwardly stumbled around in this recent debate, walking back and forth behind Romney like a true beta.  

Candy Crawly trying to help him (Obama) on a few questions didn't help.
Sorry, but you are being a moron on this one.  Romney did absolutely horrible.
Title: Re: Official G & O Debate Rematch Thread
Post by: Roger Bacon on October 16, 2012, 10:14:34 PM
Sorry, but you are being a moron on this one.  Romney did absolutely horrible.

lol... That's very possible  :-X
Title: Re: Official G & O Debate Rematch Thread
Post by: MCWAY on October 16, 2012, 10:19:48 PM
Uh, what debate were you watching.  Seriously, you are kidding right?

The one where Romney hit Obama over the head with his record and Obama went silent. Even the polls that said Obama won the debate gave Romney the BIG WIN on the economy.

Heck, CNN broke it down into 5 categories; Romney won on four of them, including and especially the economy. Healthcare, the deficit, and taxes were the other three. Obama got the nod on foreign policy.

That basically means Obama "won" simply by spewing the left-winged talking points with an attitude. He couldn't defend his lousy record and the fact the moderator basically helped him out on this one makes him look even weaker.
Title: Re: Official G & O Debate Rematch Thread
Post by: Primemuscle on October 16, 2012, 10:20:48 PM
He's keeping the tax cuts for EVERYBODY. Romney's already taken Obama apart on taxes, both in this debate and the last one.

I have some swamp land I think you'd buy too.
Title: Re: Official G & O Debate Rematch Thread
Post by: MCWAY on October 16, 2012, 10:21:13 PM
Sorry, but you are being a moron on this one.  Romney did absolutely horrible.

Not really!!

Thirty-seven percent of 525 uncommitted voters who watched the debate declared Obama the winner in a CBS News poll, compared to 30 percent who said the same of Romney. Thirty-three percent said it was a tie. A CNN poll of 457 registered voters also gave the debate to the president,by a margin of 46 percent to 39 percent.

The CBS News poll had a margin of error of 4 percent, and the CNN poll was 4.5 percent.

Despite Obama’s slight edge overall, Romney was seen as better able to handle most issues. The trend was most notable in the CNN poll: he had an 18-point edge among registered voters on the economy (58 percent Romney, 40 percent Obama), a 3-point edge on health care (49 percent Romney, 46 percent Obama), a 7-point edge on taxes (51 percent Romney, 44 percent Obama), and, largest of all, a 23 percent edge on the deficit (59 percent Romney, 36 percent Obama). Obama’s only lead was on foreign policy, where a slim margin of 2 percent of registered voters who watched the debate said he would handle the issue better (49 percent Obama, 47 percent Romney).



http://www.nationaljournal.com/politics/obama-ekes-out-a-win-in-post-debate-polls-20121017

In other words, Obama "won" simply because he didn't SUCK to high heaven, as he did two weeks ago.
Title: Re: Official G & O Debate Rematch Thread
Post by: MCWAY on October 16, 2012, 10:22:32 PM
I have some swamp land I think you'd buy too.

See the previous post.
Title: Re: Official G & O Debate Rematch Thread
Post by: Primemuscle on October 16, 2012, 10:24:10 PM
Bullshit. Both of these assholes speak in circles. They don't answer anything.

^ This
Title: Re: Official G & O Debate Rematch Thread
Post by: tu_holmes on October 16, 2012, 10:25:10 PM
I have some swamp land I think you'd buy too.
That's one thing I don't believe Romney on at all... No matter what, he is going to have to make up some cash or have the same trillion dollar deficit that he is bitching about.

No loop holes will fix that... Unless he takes away child credit and mortgage credit away from the regular folks.
Title: Re: Official G & O Debate Rematch Thread
Post by: Coach is Back! on October 16, 2012, 10:30:33 PM
The facts are starting to come out against Obama, regardless whether you this he won or not, he didn't do enough to make up for meltdown he had I'm the previous debate. Either was , Obama loses. Screw what you think the polls indicate. Romney wins.
Title: Re: Official G & O Debate Rematch Thread
Post by: Primemuscle on October 16, 2012, 10:31:14 PM
IF that's the case, it helps Romney way more than Obama. Romney smoked him the first debate and he's pretty much beating on him in this one, especially by bringing up Obama's record and reminding him that HE, not Bush, has been president the last four years.

Have you considered how easy it is to site the record for the past 4 years when you have nothing but ideas and no record of your own to speak when it comes to being President? No successful well thought of past Presidents came from a successful business background. Much as one would like it to, it doesn't translate.
Title: Re: Official G & O Debate Rematch Thread
Post by: Coach is Back! on October 16, 2012, 10:32:35 PM
BTW, if Obama even thinks he's I'm the same solar system with Romney as far as business.goes, he's just as delusional as the libs who vote for this liar.
Title: Re: Official G & O Debate Rematch Thread
Post by: Coach is Back! on October 16, 2012, 10:33:27 PM
Sorry, but you are being a moron on this one.  Romney did absolutely horrible.

Great analysis.
Title: Re: Official G & O Debate Rematch Thread
Post by: tu_holmes on October 16, 2012, 10:37:32 PM
Have you considered how easy it is to site the record for the past 4 years when you have nothing but ideas and no record of your own to speak when it comes to being President? No successful well thought of past Presidents came from a successful business background. Much as one would like it to, it doesn't translate.

Washington and Jefferson were plantation owners... Those are businesses.
Title: Re: Official G & O Debate Rematch Thread
Post by: Coach is Back! on October 16, 2012, 10:37:49 PM
Oh yeah, that fat bitch "candy" (how appropriate) kept interrupting Romney to give Obama.the floor. Obama got 9% more time than Romney (and Obama still got beat)
Title: Re: Official G & O Debate Rematch Thread
Post by: Marty Champions on October 16, 2012, 10:37:57 PM
Sorry, but you are being a moron on this one.  Romney did absolutely horrible.

lol why do you defend obama so much man your smarter than that, he got owned, perhaps your heart goes out to underprivelaged african americans and i can respect that brother!
Title: Re: Official G & O Debate Rematch Thread
Post by: MCWAY on October 16, 2012, 10:38:43 PM
Have you considered how easy it is to site the record for the past 4 years when you have nothing but ideas and no record of your own to speak when it comes to being President? No successful well thought of past Presidents came from a successful business background. Much as one would like it to, it doesn't translate.

That happens with EVERY INCUMBENT PRESIDENT. He has to defend his record. You're acting as if Obama's the only one that had to go through this. Poor baby!!  ::)

Plus, your statement is even more bizarre. When is the last time you saw a president, running for a second term against a former president?

Obama has to defend his record, no matter how much he or his liberal supporters try to make this a so-called "choice" election. Every re-election campaign is a referendum on the incumbent. Obama will be no exception to this rule.

Title: Re: Official G & O Debate Rematch Thread
Post by: 240 is Back on October 16, 2012, 10:39:50 PM
It is.

As far as being pro-Obama goes, the difference between CNN and MSNBC is the difference between a call girl and a hooker, respectively.

as someone who watches both, I disagree.

how many hours of msnbc do you watch each day?

i try to average 1-2 hours of FOX and MSN, then another hour of cnn at night.   I like to see the save events presented differently, it is fascinating to me.

Saying they're the same... MSN and CNN... I dont think you watch one of them lol.   MSN is WAYYYYy worse than CNN.   MSN is outright kneepad.  CNN leans left but not even in the same league, as someone wrote.
Title: Re: Official G & O Debate Rematch Thread
Post by: MCWAY on October 16, 2012, 10:44:15 PM
as someone who watches both, I disagree.

how many hours of msnbc do you watch each day?

i try to average 1-2 hours of FOX and MSN, then another hour of cnn at night.   I like to see the save events presented differently, it is fascinating to me.

Saying they're the same... MSN and CNN... I dont think you watch one of them lol.   MSN is WAYYYYy worse than CNN.   MSN is outright kneepad.  CNN leans left but not even in the same league, as someone wrote.

That's why I said, call girl (CNN) vs. hooker (MSNBC). The job's the same. The difference: One tries to be discrete; the other is an in-your-face ho.
Title: Re: Official G & O Debate Rematch Thread
Post by: bike nut on October 16, 2012, 10:45:43 PM
The turning point question was, regarding Libya, why didn't obama beef up security prior to the attack, when there were repeated requests? He completely evaded the question. All he would say is how he would find out who did it. He never answered why he didn't increase it when requested beforehand.

The president is a liar and a failure. Anyone but obama would be called out on his deplorable, abject failure of a record of the last 4 years. Media bias has achieved a frightening level.
Title: Re: Official G & O Debate Rematch Thread
Post by: The True Adonis on October 16, 2012, 10:50:46 PM
lol why do you defend obama so much man your smarter than that, he got owned, perhaps your heart goes out to underprivelaged african americans and i can respect that brother!
Don`t be a moron.  Anyone with a brain knows that Romney offered nothing concrete, had nothing to say and looked like a schmuck tonight.
Title: Re: Official G & O Debate Rematch Thread
Post by: 240 is Back on October 16, 2012, 10:53:19 PM
That's why I said, call girl (CNN) vs. hooker (MSNBC). The job's the same. The difference: One tries to be discrete; the other is an in-your-face ho.

in that case, excellent point!  lol
Title: Re: Official G & O Debate Rematch Thread
Post by: Roger Bacon on October 16, 2012, 10:54:58 PM
That's why I said, call girl (CNN) vs. hooker (MSNBC). The job's the same. The difference: One tries to be discrete; the other is an in-your-face ho.

haha...

It cracks me up because Fox News absolutely disgusted me when Bush was in office.  Now it's just about all I can stand as far as cable news goes.
Title: Re: Official G & O Debate Rematch Thread
Post by: Primemuscle on October 16, 2012, 10:56:28 PM
I know most GB's don't care about Medicare, but it's a HUGE issue to a HUGE segment of the voting population and Obama has them scared shitless with the BS he's been spewing about it.  It should've been discussed tonight.

Medicare and Social Security are exactly what needs to be discussed in these debates. If GB's don't care about these things, they should. Romney and Ryan's plan to distroy these programs will hurt them more then it will hurt those of us who are over 55 years old.
Title: Re: Official G & O Debate Rematch Thread
Post by: Roger Bacon on October 16, 2012, 10:58:25 PM
Medicare and Social Security are exactly what needs to be discussed in these debates. If GB's don't care about these things, they should. Romney and Ryan's plan to distroy these programs will hurt them more then it will hurt those of us who are over 55 years old.


Yes, I hope they keep raping young people like myself to support older people who had an opportunity to save their own money for themselves.
Title: Re: Official G & O Debate Rematch Thread
Post by: The True Adonis on October 16, 2012, 10:59:33 PM
Fox News is for morons and Rupert Murdoch knows his audience is a bunch of dumbasses and plays to them well.  A very smart man.
Title: Re: Official G & O Debate Rematch Thread
Post by: Wiggs on October 16, 2012, 11:02:38 PM
Fox News is for morons and Rupert Murdoch knows his audience is a bunch of dumbasses and plays to them well.  A very smart man.

x2

It's not news, it's propaganda.

The Fairness Doctrine needs to be reinstated.
Title: Re: Official G & O Debate Rematch Thread
Post by: Primemuscle on October 16, 2012, 11:07:40 PM
The facts are starting to come out against Obama, regardless whether you this he won or not, he didn't do enough to make up for meltdown he had I'm the previous debate. Either was , Obama loses. Screw what you think the polls indicate. Romney wins.

Why....because you say so Coach? Sorry, but it isn't that easy. We will all have to wait until Tuesday, November 6th to find out who wins the Presidency.

For those of you fools who talk a lot of shit, but don't vote, you will get what you deserve come election day.
Title: Re: Official G & O Debate Rematch Thread
Post by: MCWAY on October 16, 2012, 11:10:52 PM
x2

It's not news, it's propaganda.

The Fairness Doctrine needs to be reinstated.

No, it doesn't. Liberals only want the "Fairness Doctrine", because they no longer have a monopoly on the media (coupled with the fact that Fox has been killing both these networks for over a decade and conservative talk radio CRUSHES liberal talk radio).

Title: Re: Official G & O Debate Rematch Thread
Post by: Primemuscle on October 16, 2012, 11:21:24 PM
That happens with EVERY INCUMBENT PRESIDENT. He has to defend his record. You're acting as if Obama's the only one that had to go through this. Poor baby!!  ::)

Plus, your statement is even more bizarre. When is the last time you saw a president, running for a second term against a former president?

Obama has to defend his record, no matter how much he or his liberal supporters try to make this a so-called "choice" election. Every re-election campaign is a referendum on the incumbent. Obama will be no exception to this rule.



There is nothing bizarre about stating the facts. It is what it is. I didn't say this was something new or unique. The fact remains we should all know a lot more about Obama then we do about Romney. What did the average person know about Romney in 2009, 2010 or 2011? A lot less then we knew about Obama if we were paying attention. And if you think you know Romney now....see below.

Barney Frank Offers Lawrence O’Donnell A 2012 Democrat Slogan: ‘We’re Not Perfect, But They’re Nuts’
Title: Re: Official G & O Debate Rematch Thread
Post by: MCWAY on October 16, 2012, 11:27:20 PM
There is nothing bizarre about stating the facts. It is what it is. I didn't say this was something new or unique. The fact remains we should all know a lot more about Obama then we do about Romney. What did the average person know about Romney in 2009, 2010 or 2011? A lot less then we knew about Obama if we were paying attention. And if you think you know Romney now....see below.

Barney Frank Offers Lawrence O’Donnell A 2012 Democrat Slogan: ‘We’re Not Perfect, But They’re Nuts’

Romney's been around for years. You will recall he ran for president in 2008.

Barney Frank can chirp all he wants. At the end of the day, Obama's record will be judged in three weeks. We already know the Dems aren't perfect; nor are the Republicans. But, even by Obama's own standards, he's been a miserable failure as president, especially on the jobs and economy front.
Title: Re: Official G & O Debate Rematch Thread
Post by: Primemuscle on October 16, 2012, 11:30:12 PM
Washington and Jefferson were plantation owners... Those are businesses.

Yes, you are right in that George and Thomas were plantation owners and these were businesses which were successful because of slavery. Think about that for awhile.


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None of the great or near-great presidents—Teddy Roosevelt, Franklin Roosevelt, Harry Truman, or Woodrow Wilson—was a businessman. Truman was a failed businessman (a haberdasher) before entering politics, but that hardly constitutes a ringing endorsement of Romney's claim for private sector ascendency.
 
For that matter, none of the better-than-average presidents was a businessman either. In this category think of Presidents John F. Kennedy, Dwight Eisenhower, Ronald Reagan, Lyndon Johnson, and Bill Clinton.
 
Probably the most successful president with real business experience (and success) was George H.W. Bush. Before going into politics he founded Zapata Petroleum, which ultimately became Pennzoil. Bush 41 ended up a one-term president unable to kick-start an economy in a recession and seemingly out of touch with the problems of the common man. Sound familiar?
 
It gets worse from here. Jimmy Carter, another one-term president beset with economic woes, was a success in agribusiness (peanut farming) before getting into politics. He generally falls into the lower half of the historians' rankings.
 
And then we get the big three—the men widely considered by historians to be the worst presidents of the modern era: Warren G. Harding, Herbert Hoover, and George W. Bush. One left the country on the verge of a depression, one left the country in a depression, and one presided over such corruption and ineptitude that despite the failings of the other two he still manages to get the lowest ranking of them all. And yet all three made millions of dollars in the private sector before entering politics. All three were successful businessmen (a newspaper publisher, a mining tycoon, and the owner of a professional baseball team). Bush 43 even went to Harvard business school, like Romney, and like Romney promised to bring business principles to the Oval Office.
Title: Re: Official G & O Debate Rematch Thread
Post by: MCWAY on October 16, 2012, 11:32:48 PM
Yes, you are right in that George and Thomas were plantation owners and these were businesses which were successful because of slavery. Think about that for awhile.



Then what are we to make of Obama? Right now, he's LOSING to the survivor of the so-called worst GOP field in history, with less than three weeks to go.
Title: Re: Official G & O Debate Rematch Thread
Post by: tu_holmes on October 16, 2012, 11:38:06 PM
Yes, you are right in that George and Thomas were plantation owners and these were businesses which were successful because of slavery. Think about that for awhile.



You did not quantify that slavery was or was not a criteria... you simply said "successful business".
Title: Re: Official G & O Debate Rematch Thread
Post by: cephissus on October 16, 2012, 11:45:42 PM
Title: Re: Official G & O Debate Rematch Thread
Post by: Primemuscle on October 16, 2012, 11:46:51 PM
Yes, I hope they keep raping young people like myself to support older people who had an opportunity to save their own money for themselves.

Do you have any idea how much I and most other "old folks" paid into Medicare and Social Security in over 50 years of employment? If I had been able to take that money and invest it, not only would I be set for life, I could leave a nice nest egg for my kids and grandkids. The financial problems these programs face is not because old people are finally getting a little of that money back, it is because the Federal government has borrowed from these funds to pay for other things which was never the original intention when Social Security was implemented in 1940 and Medicare in 1965.

How many of you younger folks would be willing to take care of their parents when they get too old and sick to work and pay for their own food and housing? Instead, a lot of younger folks are still sponging off their parents and living in their parents homes long after they should have started taking care of themselves.

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When program revenues exceed payments (i.e., the program is in surplus) the extra funds are borrowed and used by the government for other purposes, but a legal obligation to program recipients is created to the extent this occurs. These surpluses add to the Trust Fund. At the end of 2011, the Trust Fund contained (or alternatively, was owed) $2.7 trillion, up $69 billion from 2010.
Title: Re: Official G & O Debate Rematch Thread
Post by: tu_holmes on October 16, 2012, 11:47:38 PM
Do you have any idea how much I and most other "old folks" paid into Medicare and Social Security in over 50 years of employment? If I had been able to take that money and invest it, not only would I be set for life, I could leave a nice nest egg for my kids and grandkids. The financial problems these programs face is not because old people are finally getting a little of that money back, it is because the Federal government has borrowed from these funds to pay for other things which was never the original intention when Social Security was implemented in 1940 and Medicare in 1965.

How many of you younger folks would be willing to take care of their parents when they get too old and sick to work and pay for their own food and housing? Instead, a lot of younger folks are still sponging off their parents and living in their parents homes long after they should have started taking care of themselves.


No you wouldn't... You would have lost it all when the market crashed.
Title: Re: Official G & O Debate Rematch Thread
Post by: Primemuscle on October 16, 2012, 11:55:21 PM
You did not quantify that slavery was or was not a criteria... you simply said "successful business".

Yup. You were the one who brought up ancient history. Now lets talk about the other Presidents mentioned in the quote I included. Which of those guys (who apparently did not keep slaves) was both a successful businessman and a great President? None!

Hey if you like taking a long shot, vote for Romney. Sometimes the long shot bet pays off and sometimes you lose big, it's your choice. Me, I'd stick with a sure thing or at least a somewhat known quantity.
Title: Re: Official G & O Debate Rematch Thread
Post by: Roger Bacon on October 16, 2012, 11:56:22 PM
Do you have any idea how much I and most other "old folks" paid into Medicare and Social Security in over 50 years of employment? If I had been able to take that money and invest it, not only would I be set for life, I could leave a nice nest egg for my kids and grandkids. The financial problems these programs face is not because old people are finally getting a little of that money back, it is because the Federal government has borrowed from these funds to pay for other things which was never the original intention when Social Security was implemented in 1940 and Medicare in 1965.

How many of you younger folks would be willing to take care of their parents when they get too old and sick to work and pay for their own food and housing? Instead, a lot of younger folks are still sponging off their parents and living in their parents homes long after they should have started taking care of themselves.

Yes, same case with my parents and grand parents.  It's absolutely insane.

My generation didn't do anything wrong though, why must we support a system that's going to fuck us over in the end?  ???


Title: Re: Official G & O Debate Rematch Thread
Post by: tu_holmes on October 16, 2012, 11:56:56 PM
Yup. You were the one who brought up ancient history. Now lets talk about the other Presidents mentioned in the quote I included. Which of those guys (who apparently did not keep slaves) was both a successful businessman and a great President? None!

Hey if you like taking a long shot, vote for Romney. Sometimes the long shot bet pays off and sometimes you lose big, it's your choice. Me, I'd stick with a sure thing or at least a somewhat known quantity.

You didn't quantify recent history either... You just said "No successful well thought of Past Presidents came from a successful business background."

That does not appear to have a historical timeframe.
Title: Re: Official G & O Debate Rematch Thread
Post by: Primemuscle on October 17, 2012, 12:08:48 AM
No you wouldn't... You would have lost it all when the market crashed.


Not necessarily. I am a fairly wise investor. The oil royalties are doing fine, thanks. I lost almost nothing since 2007, just a little in stock dividends which are slowing coming back. The most I lost was in real estate and that is less then $150,000 at this point and recovering. Incidentally, I am not among the 47% in that I pay a fair amount in income taxes every year....more than 14% like Romney does. Of course, I am conservative when it comes to spending. My car is a 2004 model with a little over 100,000 miles. I have no plans to replace it anytime soon since it runs well. Our home is nice but no mansion and certainly not with an underwater mortgage. Nope....I think you are wrong; I would not have lost it all and I did not lose it at all.
Title: Re: Official G & O Debate Rematch Thread
Post by: tu_holmes on October 17, 2012, 12:10:20 AM
Not necessarily. I am a fairly wise investor. The oil royalties are doing fine, thanks. I lost almost nothing since 2007, just a little in stock dividends which are slowing coming back. The most I lost was in real estate and that is less then $150,000 at this point and recovering. Incidentally, I am not among the 47% in that I pay a fair amount in income taxes every year....more than 14% like Romney. Of course, I am conservative when it comes to spending. My car is a 2004 model with a little over 100,000 miles. I have no plans to replace it anytime soon since it runs well. Our home is nice but no mansion and certainly not with an underwater mortgage. Nope....I think you are wrong; I would not have lost it all and I did not lose it at all.

Okee dokee....
Title: Re: Official G & O Debate Rematch Thread
Post by: Primemuscle on October 17, 2012, 12:12:12 AM
You didn't quantify recent history either... You just said "No successful well thought of Past Presidents came from a successful business background."

That does not appear to have a historical timeframe.


So when are you going to discuss the facts and quit with the irrelevant nonsense. If you have you nothing of value to contribute to this conversation, you should simply keep quiet.
Title: Re: Official G & O Debate Rematch Thread
Post by: The True Adonis on October 17, 2012, 12:12:44 AM
You did not quantify that slavery was or was not a criteria... you simply said "successful business".
I have to say that both, Jefferson and Washington were failed endeavors as far as business goes and in the case of Jefferson, it was precisely due to slavery.  He was so deep in debt by the time he died, after he willed his estate, it had to be sold shortly thereafter to cover the losses.  The problem with Jefferson`s plantation is that his slave population grew too large and he went to great lengths to see that they were well taken care of.  They bankrupted him in a sense.

Washington`s problem was that his wealth was tied up solely in land and had no liquidity to turn a profit.  He was also operating at a great loss.
Title: Re: Official G & O Debate Rematch Thread
Post by: tu_holmes on October 17, 2012, 12:17:09 AM
So when are you going to discuss the facts and quit with the irrelevant nonsense. If you have you nothing of value to contribute to this conversation, you should simply keep quiet.

Yes, because this board is all about facts and relevance.

It's politics... politics are all about "facts" huh?

::)
Title: Re: Official G & O Debate Rematch Thread
Post by: The True Adonis on October 17, 2012, 12:21:59 AM
As for successful Businessmen as President, Herbert Hoover and LBJ immediately come to mind.
Title: Re: Official G & O Debate Rematch Thread
Post by: Primemuscle on October 17, 2012, 12:37:07 AM
Yes, same case with my parents and grand parents.  It's absolutely insane.

My generation didn't do anything wrong though, why must we support a system that's going to fuck us over in the end?  ??




I understand how you feel. If I were your age, I would very likely feel the same way. What folks your age could do is work to fix the system. Stop the feds from "raping" your funds to pay for other things. Raise the eligibility age for Social Security to something more relevant to people's ability to work. Even changing it from 66 to 67 would make a huge difference in the health of the program. Don't go back to a health system whereas the insurance companies, hospitals and providers fuel the runaway costs and charges.

Here's an example: I recently had surgery, which the hospital billed at $30,000. Because I have a Medicare Avantage insurance plan, for which I pay an additional premium on top of what I already pay in Medicare premiums, the insurance company paid and the hospital accepted $10,000.

Did you know that people on Medicare paid insurance premiums every month and those who want a better plan pay Medicare plus pay premiums for the additional coverage? Bet not. My and my wife's total premiums are a few pennys less than $500 a month. People who just have regular Medicare pay $100 a month plus what ever they pay for part "D" prescription drug coverage which depends on the insurance provider they go with.

BTW, I was in the hospital for two days. Not bad earnings, 4 hours in surgery and barely two days in the hospital and they wanted $30,000.

Had I been uninsured, that is what I would have paid. Had I been indigent and unisured that is what the hospital would have written and charged off to other paying patients....just as they do with all those folks one sees with a bruized lip or a slight cough in the emergency rooms.
Title: Re: Official G & O Debate Rematch Thread
Post by: Primemuscle on October 17, 2012, 12:39:58 AM
Yes, because this board is all about facts and relevance.

It's politics... politics are all about "facts" huh?

::)



One can only hope that us regular folk can talk facts and not act like a bunch of politicans.  ::)
Title: Re: Official G & O Debate Rematch Thread
Post by: Benny B on October 17, 2012, 04:06:18 AM
Even this pompous FAUX NEWS jackass realizes the truth.  ;) The only way you score anything is with "points."  ::)

Charles Krauthammer: ‘Obama wins on points’
Posted By Jeff Poor

On Fox News Channel’s wrap-up of Tuesday night’s presidential debate, Washington Post columnist Charles Krauthammer said President Barack Obama had won the contest, which he compared to a prize fight between Muhammad Ali and Joe Frazier.

“I think on points, if you were scoring it on points, Obama wins on points,” Krauthammer said. “He made a lot of counter-punches. He made a lot of accusations. He managed to get under Romney’s skin a little bit by referring to his wealth. He made $20 million a year trying to make a point about taxes, but it’s a way to say, ‘you’re a rich guy.’ How will you understand the ordinary guy? I thought there is a point where Romney did really well. I think all of us agree that was on the issue on the failure of this administration. When Romney went large, it he did well. When he went small, which he did here and there, I think Obama got the better of him.”
Title: Re: Official G & O Debate Rematch Thread
Post by: Benny B on October 17, 2012, 04:15:32 AM
Tue Oct 16, 2012 at 08:42 PM PDT
The debate in pictures

The real President Barack Obama showed up. So did the real, dickish, Mitt Romney. It wasn't even close. And how can we be sure? Because the side that whines about the moderator is the side that lost the debate. And yeah, tonight, that was the Republicans.

(http://s3.amazonaws.com/dk-production/images/8280/large/RTR398FK.jpg?1350441903)

(http://s3.amazonaws.com/dk-production/images/8273/large/RTR398A9.jpg?1350440115)

(http://s3.amazonaws.com/dk-production/images/8276/large/RTR398ES.jpg?1350441219)
Title: Re: Official G & O Debate Rematch Thread
Post by: Benny B on October 17, 2012, 04:24:02 AM
Tue Oct 16, 2012
Obama likes people, people like Obama

(http://s3.amazonaws.com/dk-production/images/8284/large/peoplelikeobama2.jpeg?1350443881)
President Barack Obama hangs out with audience members after the second presidential debate, 10/16/2012


After the debate, audience members mobbed President Barack Obama while Mitt Romney was surrounded by just his family. He didn't last long, out of the hall as fast as he could. He has a hard time being around carbon-based life forms, you know?

On the other hand, Obama stuck around 10-15 minutes signing autographs and taking pictures. We saw our real president tonight, and we also saw the real dick Romney. The contrast couldn't be clearer.
Title: Re: Official G & O Debate Rematch Thread
Post by: Benny B on October 17, 2012, 04:48:19 AM
Mitt Romney's Condescending Views Toward Women

In the second Presidential debate, President Obama showed that he's committed to progress for women while Mitt Romney exposed that he's too extreme for women.

Title: Re: Official G & O Debate Rematch Thread
Post by: Benny B on October 17, 2012, 04:51:12 AM
President Obama: Giving Middle Class Families Relief
Excerpt from the 2012 Presidential Town Hall Debate in Hempstead, New York - President Obama: Giving Middle Class Families Relief

Title: Re: Official G & O Debate Rematch Thread
Post by: MCWAY on October 17, 2012, 06:13:41 AM
Even this pompous FAUX NEWS jackass realizes the truth.  ;) The only way you score anything is with "points."  ::)

Charles Krauthammer: ‘Obama wins on points’
Posted By Jeff Poor

On Fox News Channel’s wrap-up of Tuesday night’s presidential debate, Washington Post columnist Charles Krauthammer said President Barack Obama had won the contest, which he compared to a prize fight between Muhammad Ali and Joe Frazier.

“I think on points, if you were scoring it on points, Obama wins on points,” Krauthammer said. “He made a lot of counter-punches. He made a lot of accusations. He managed to get under Romney’s skin a little bit by referring to his wealth. He made $20 million a year trying to make a point about taxes, but it’s a way to say, ‘you’re a rich guy.’ How will you understand the ordinary guy? I thought there is a point where Romney did really well. I think all of us agree that was on the issue on the failure of this administration. When Romney went large, it he did well. When he went small, which he did here and there, I think Obama got the better of him.”

Romney hammered Obama ON HIS record, which is how Obama will be judged in this debate.




Per a CBS poll. 63% of voters thought it was a tie (33%) or Romney won (30%). In an CNN poll, the nod was given to Obama....HOWEVER, when the poll was broken down into its five topics, Romney won on FOUR of them, including the dominant issue of this election: THE ECONOMY:


Despite Obama’s slight edge overall, Romney was seen as better able to handle most issues. The trend was most notable in the CNN poll: he had an 18-point edge among registered voters on the economy (58 percent Romney, 40 percent Obama), a 3-point edge on health care (49 percent Romney, 46 percent Obama), a 7-point edge on taxes (51 percent Romney, 44 percent Obama), and, largest of all, a 23 percent edge on the deficit (59 percent Romney, 36 percent Obama). Obama’s only lead was on foreign policy, where a slim margin of 2 percent of registered voters who watched the debate said he would handle the issue better (49 percent Obama, 47 percent Romney).


http://www.nationaljournal.com/politics/obama-ekes-out-a-win-in-post-debate-polls-20121017


http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2012/10/16/luntz_focus_group_of_mostly_former_obama_voters_switch_to_romney.html


As predicted, Obama simply showed with a pulse this time, screamed his usual talking points, put no vision for a second term on the table and clammed up, when Romney bashed him with his record.
Title: Re: Official G & O Debate Rematch Thread
Post by: Soul Crusher on October 17, 2012, 06:15:01 AM
Title: Re: Official G & O Debate Rematch Thread
Post by: garebear on October 17, 2012, 06:49:33 AM
Haha!
Title: Re: Official G & O Debate Rematch Thread
Post by: chaos on October 17, 2012, 08:39:10 AM
*yawn*
Title: Re: Official G & O Debate Rematch Thread
Post by: Bad Boy Dazza on October 17, 2012, 08:51:59 AM
Obama really know how to say those big popular but intellectually barren catchphrases.  But of course we should never trust people who spout popular rhetoric endlessly.
Title: Re: Official G & O Debate Rematch Thread
Post by: Coach is Back! on October 17, 2012, 08:56:40 AM
Did anyone else bother to bring up that the fat lib mod asked just as many questions as the audience, interrupted Romney more than 28 times and gave Obama 9% more speaking time than Romney....and still, this the best that terrorist sympathizer could do. And to top it off,tthe momod admitted that Romney was correct when he called out Obama.
Title: Re: Official G & O Debate Rematch Thread
Post by: Hulkotron on October 17, 2012, 09:16:41 AM
The one where Romney hit Obama over the head with his record and Obama went silent. Even the polls that said Obama won the debate gave Romney the BIG WIN on the economy.

Heck, CNN broke it down into 5 categories; Romney won on four of them, including and especially the economy. Healthcare, the deficit, and taxes were the other three. Obama got the nod on foreign policy.

That basically means Obama "won" simply by spewing the left-winged talking points with an attitude. He couldn't defend his lousy record and the fact the moderator basically helped him out on this one makes him look even weaker.

You keep bringing this up like it's remarkable.  The challenger has an inherent advantage over an incumbent president in debates because he has four years worth of a very public record to tee off on.  For example I could tell you numerous things Obama hasn't gotten done or hasn't done well (and some things he has done well) in the last four years, but I couldn't tell you anything Romney's done, other than run for president.  Literally every presidential debate in history with an incumbent has been like that.

The categories are interesting data but are meaningless when it comes to winning the election.  You don't issue an array of votes for different people in different categories on Nov. 6, you vote for one man or the other, and on that vote Obama won this debate in most polls that I've seen (by a small margin).

I'm as independent as they come (have voted R once and D once in the three elections in my adult life) and probably won't vote because I don't like either of these candidates that much, before you try to label me as some sort of Obama apologist.
Title: Re: Official G & O Debate Rematch Thread
Post by: Hulkotron on October 17, 2012, 09:18:50 AM
Did anyone else bother to bring up that the fat lib mod asked just as many questions as the audience, interrupted Romney more than 28 times and gave Obama 9% more speaking time than Romney....and still, this the best that terrorist sympathizer could do. And to top it off,tthe momod admitted that Romney was correct when he called out Obama.

Yes, I thought this was easily Obama's best debate performance ever, but the moderator seemed very, very strongly in his corner.
Title: Re: Official G & O Debate Rematch Thread
Post by: G_Thang on October 17, 2012, 09:39:49 AM
romney is terrible, but obama is a timeproven huge liar and deserves to get kicked out of office.

or is it the stupid ppl who believe the lies that perhaps deserve the govt they have?

or maybe there isnt really a choice?

Obama isn't any worst than Monkey Boy, who proceeded him.  Mathematically, Romney can't accomplish any of the bullshit spilling out of his mouth in the next 4 years, nor will he.  He'll get the industrial machine going by invading Iran.  There is your economic ignition switch. 

Vote Obama and see, if the second coming of Clinton rises from lying hallways of the Senate or the House. 

The party system is the USA must be the biggest joke in the world.  And people debate endlessly over this shit, when both guys are dropping nuclear lies. 
Title: Re: Official G & O Debate Rematch Thread
Post by: Hulkotron on October 17, 2012, 09:42:47 AM
Pretty much everyone who's going to vote has decided already.  They are just fighting over a very small slice of the pie of mostly low-information (read: idiotic) voters now.
Title: Re: Official G & O Debate Rematch Thread
Post by: MCWAY on October 17, 2012, 09:46:45 AM
You keep bringing this up like it's remarkable.  The challenger has an inherent advantage over an incumbent president in debates because he has four years worth of a very public record to tee off on.  For example I could tell you numerous things Obama hasn't gotten done or hasn't done well (and some things he has done well) in the last four years, but I couldn't tell you anything Romney's done, other than run for president.  Literally every presidential debate in history with an incumbent has been like that.

The categories are interesting data but are meaningless when it comes to winning the election.  You don't issue an array of votes for different people in different categories on Nov. 6, you vote for one man or the other, and on that vote Obama won this debate in most polls that I've seen (by a small margin).

I'm as independent as they come (have voted R once and D once in the three elections in my adult life) and probably won't vote because I don't like either of these candidates that much, before you try to label me as some sort of Obama apologist.

The challenger only has that advantage if the incumbent has a sorry record. Again, every incumbent has to deal with this.

Of the polls I've seen, declaring Obama the winner, those same polls claim ROMNEY won on the most important issue of this election: THE ECONOMY.

As posted earlier, on the economy, the deficit, taxes, and immigration, in a CNN poll, Romney won. Obama got the nod on foreign policy.

Obama won for one reason: He actually had a pulse and spewed his tired talking points with an attitude, unlike the previous debate.

How else do you explain the CBS poll where 63% said it was either a draw (33%) or Romney won (30%)?
Title: Re: Official G & O Debate Rematch Thread
Post by: Hulkotron on October 17, 2012, 09:49:29 AM
The challenger only has that advantage if the incumbent has a sorry record. Again, every incumbent has to deal with this.

Of the polls I've seen, declaring Obama the winner, those same polls claim ROMNEY won on the most important issue of this election: THE ECONOMY.

As posted earlier, on the economy, the deficit, taxes, and immigration, in a CNN poll, Romney won. Obama got the nod on foreign policy.

Obama won for one reason: He actually had a pulse and spewed his tired talking points with an attitude, unlike the previous debate.

How else do you explain the CBS poll where 63% said it was either a draw (33%) or Romney won (30%)?

You are missing the point entirely.  I bolded the part that matters, hope this helps.
Title: Re: Official G & O Debate Rematch Thread
Post by: dr.chimps on October 17, 2012, 09:53:10 AM
Haha!
Those are aces.    ;D
Title: Re: Official G & O Debate Rematch Thread
Post by: bike nut on October 17, 2012, 09:54:16 AM
They are just fighting over a very small slice of the pie of mostly low-information (read: idiotic) voters now.

You mean Chris Mathews and Candy Crowley?

I wonder who played Mitt Romney during Candy Crowley's debate prep?

 ::)
Title: Re: Official G & O Debate Rematch Thread
Post by: Roger Bacon on October 17, 2012, 09:55:20 AM
I understand how you feel. If I were your age, I would very likely feel the same way. What folks your age could do is work to fix the system. Stop the feds from "raping" your funds to pay for other things. Raise the eligibility age for Social Security to something more relevant to people's ability to work. Even changing it from 66 to 67 would make a huge difference in the health of the program. Don't go back to a health system whereas the insurance companies, hospitals and providers fuel the runaway costs and charges.

Here's an example: I recently had surgery, which the hospital billed at $30,000. Because I have a Medicare Avantage insurance plan, for which I pay an additional premium on top of what I already pay in Medicare premiums, the insurance company paid and the hospital accepted $10,000.

Did you know that people on Medicare paid insurance premiums every month and those who want a better plan pay Medicare plus pay premiums for the additional coverage? Bet not. My and my wife's total premiums are a few pennys less than $500 a month. People who just have regular Medicare pay $100 a month plus what ever they pay for part "D" prescription drug coverage which depends on the insurance provider they go with.

BTW, I was in the hospital for two days. Not bad earnings, 4 hours in surgery and barely two days in the hospital and they wanted $30,000.

Had I been uninsured, that is what I would have paid. Had I been indigent and unisured that is what the hospital would have written and charged off to other paying patients....just as they do with all those folks one sees with a bruized lip or a slight cough in the emergency rooms.

Thank you, I appreciate the time you put into this post.

I'm a libertarian (I can't help it  :-[),  I do think long and hard before I cast a vote for anyone.  Especially in local and state politics.
Title: Re: Official G & O Debate Rematch Thread
Post by: 240 is Back on October 17, 2012, 09:56:50 AM
Top repubs + CNN, CBS, and other polls seem to agree

Krauthamer, George Will, Cavuto, Brooks: Obama won debate
Title: Re: Official G & O Debate Rematch Thread
Post by: Hulkotron on October 17, 2012, 09:59:27 AM
What does it mean when a man is hoisted with his own petard ???
Title: Re: Official G & O Debate Rematch Thread
Post by: MCWAY on October 17, 2012, 10:05:52 AM
Top repubs + CNN, CBS, and other polls seem to agree

Krauthamer, George Will, Cavuto, Brooks: Obama won debate

So are the reviews on what Romney won:

You now, as far as "Debate Winner" it's pretty close with those registered voters. CBS gives it to Obama, among registered voters 37-30. CNN's registered voters gives it to Obama 46-39.

But on actual issues -- the ones that will determine this election -- Romney destroyed him.

CNN's focus group claimed they thought Obama "won." They had it something like 14 for Obama, 15 draw, 6 Romney.

But even that group said this-- on the question of "Who offers a better vision for the future?," Romney edged Obama 18-17.

Now that's very slim. I wouldn't read too much into that.

But consider: More people think Romney presents a better vision for the future -- the quickest possible shorthand for "who should be President?" -- and yet he didn't "win" the debate?

You always have to question what the criteria people are employing when you ask them who "won." I think people are rating the performance. And narrowly saying, on performance, it was a close thing, but edge to Obama.

But ask about who actually reached them on the most important issues, and it's Romney, all the way.

So they seem to be distinguishing between performance and substance.

Romney wins the substance, pretty clearly.

I'll take it. And give Obama his charity performance points.


More: Foreign policy, Obama edges 49-47.

But this is amazing: Did Obama offer a clear vision for solving the country's problems?

38% Yes

61% No

61% No. Wow.

How about that asked about Romney?

49% Yes

50% No

A Specatator Culture: Americans have gotten pretty sophisticated about judging performance, especially after 10 years of American Idol.

We shouldn't assume that when people answer the question "Who won the debate?" they confuse that question with "Who did you find more persuasive?"

They might actually be offering a sophisticated analysis: "I think this guy won on debate performance points."

But then ask them "Who actually persuaded you?," and they might answer a completely different way.

It certainly appears that's what happened here tonight


http://ace.mu.nu/archives/333917.php

So, how do you lose in four of the five topics, that comprise the debate, have the voters polls say (moreso than your opponent) you don't have a clear vision for solving the country's problem, yet win the debate?

Answer: You simply scream your talking points with some zest, unlike the first debate. This appears to be a mercy win at best, the equivalent of which would be a football team in Week 17, beating another squad which started pulling its starters after clinching home-field advantage.
Title: Re: Official G & O Debate Rematch Thread
Post by: doison on October 17, 2012, 10:17:22 AM
I think it's clear that Obama won the debate, but Romney won the debate.
Title: Re: Official G & O Debate Rematch Thread
Post by: MCWAY on October 17, 2012, 10:18:38 AM
I think it's clear that Obama won the debate, but Romney won the debate.
 

This may explain things a bit more:

Obama wins the second debate. Too bad it’s not the one that mattered.

When the evening began, one observation dominated the conversation: “If President Barack Obama has another debate like the last one, the election’s over.”

When the evening ended, I was struck by a different thought: If Obama had performed this way at the first debate, the election would have been over.

In every debate, whatever the format, whatever the questions, there is one and only one way to identify the winner: Who commands the room? Who drives the narrative? Who is in charge? More often than not on Tuesday night, I think, Obama had the better of it.

From a substantive view, there was one argument that the president was seeking to make over and over: Don’t let Mitt Romney fool you; he’s a rich guy out to protect the interests of the well-off, not the middle-class.

That’s why he referenced not just Romney’s tax plan, but Romney’s taxes, the fact that the Republican presidential nominee paid a lower rate on his millions than ordinary working-class folks do on theirs, the fact that Romney has invested heavily in China. And when Romney went at Obama with almost the exact same argument he used so devastatingly against Newt Gingrich—“have you checked your pension?”—Obama came back with, “I haven’t looked at my pension; it’s not as big as yours. (For super-wonks it harked back to a 1982 debate between Mario Cuomo and the super-wealthy Lew Lehrman, when Cuomo reached over, grabbed Lehrman’s hand, and said, “Nice watch, Lou!”)

As a tactical matter, Obama executed one of the toughest of maneuvers: the counterpunch. When Romney attacked Obama for hindering the use of coal, the President recalled an appearance of Romney as governor of Massachusetts, where he vowed to shut down a coal-fired power plant. (The fact that Romney was probably right about the danger will be the subject of earnest substantive post-debate analyses that have no place here!)

And in talking about an area where the Obama administration has clear vulnerabilities—the attack on the American consulate in Libya—Obama summoned the inherent high ground of the presidency to condemn the “politicization” of the attack.

To be clear: There was nothing particularly off about Romney. He had several strong moments, most especially contrasting what Obama said he would do in 2008 with what in fact had happened over the past four years. This was, and is, the single most powerful argument against returning Obama to the White House, and Romney deployed it effectively.


It’s just that Obama found what he could not find in Denver—a coherent thread to make the case that he understands the middle-class in a way Romney does not. For those Democratic partisans wondering where “the 47 percent” argument was, Obama was saving it for the close which—because of a pre-debate coin flip—Romney could not answer. In this sense, it was like Reagan’s famous “are you better off?” question from 1980.

In a larger sense, however, Obama’s success is unlikely to have anything like the impact of that 1980 debate, nor will it likely alter the terrain of the campaign as the first debate of 2012 did. Had the Obama of this debate showed up two weeks ago, he might well have ended Romney’s effort to present himself as a credible alternative to the president.

That opportunity vanished that night. While it’s clear that Obama’s performance will revive the enthusiasm of his supporters, it seems unlikely that it will cause those impressed by Romney to reconsider. Like they say in show business, timing is everything.
Title: Re: Official G & O Debate Rematch Thread
Post by: Soul Crusher on October 17, 2012, 10:34:15 AM
Obama won a pissing contest but was exposed for lying about lybia, gas prices, oil permits, etc.

Yeah - real win there.   ::)
Title: Re: Official G & O Debate Rematch Thread
Post by: Hulkotron on October 17, 2012, 10:40:36 AM
Lance Armstrong is taking over the news cycle today to help out his friend Obama.
Title: Re: Official G & O Debate Rematch Thread
Post by: Shockwave on October 17, 2012, 10:43:36 AM
Meh. This is hilarious to me that debates are not won on facts or on records, but are simply won by the guy who is willing to get more aggressive on stage. Makes me laugh.

Romney won the 1st debate because he was aggressive, not because of what he was saying.
Obama won this debate because he was aggressive, not because of what he was saying.
Biden won because he made himself look like a condescending dick, not because he was saying anything factual.

We are all fucked.
Title: Re: Official G & O Debate Rematch Thread
Post by: bike nut on October 17, 2012, 10:50:52 AM
Matters not about some petulant responses to a Jabba The Hut moderator.

What matters is.....the President of the United States is a liar, got caught lying, continued with a known lie, and openly lied to the face of the nation last night.

Anybody talking about winning a debate, when the POTUS has just displayed such moral bankruptcy is a fucking idiot.

Plain and simple....
Title: Re: Official G & O Debate Rematch Thread
Post by: MCWAY on October 17, 2012, 10:57:54 AM
Meh. This is hilarious to me that debates are not won on facts or on records, but are simply won by the guy who is willing to get more aggressive on stage. Makes me laugh.

Romney won the 1st debate because he was aggressive, not because of what he was saying.
Obama won this debate because he was aggressive, not because of what he was saying.
Biden won because he made himself look like a condescending dick, not because he was saying anything factual.

We are all fucked.

Romney didn't look all that aggressive in the first debate. However, he pounded Obama on his record and on taxes.
Title: Re: Official G & O Debate Rematch Thread
Post by: Soul Crusher on October 17, 2012, 10:59:13 AM
What I would have said: 



"Mr. President, I had that binder to hire the best women for my staff I could find while you hide behind women to take the blame for your incompetence and cover for your shortcomings in office and elsewhere."   
Title: Re: Official G & O Debate Rematch Thread
Post by: tu_holmes on October 17, 2012, 11:00:36 AM
What I would have said: 



"Mr. President, I had that binder to hire the best women for my staff I could find while you hide behind women to take the blame for your incompetence and cover for your shortcomings in office and elsewhere."   


Good response.

Too bad Romney didn't say it.
Title: Re: Official G & O Debate Rematch Thread
Post by: Rami on October 17, 2012, 11:15:47 AM
I see people fighting hard for their unlimited food stamps
Title: Re: Official G & O Debate Rematch Thread
Post by: Primemuscle on October 17, 2012, 03:18:04 PM
Meh. This is hilarious to me that debates are not won on facts or on records, but are simply won by the guy who is willing to get more aggressive on stage. Makes me laugh.

Romney won the 1st debate because he was aggressive, not because of what he was saying.
Obama won this debate because he was aggressive, not because of what he was saying.
Biden won because he made himself look like a condescending dick, not because he was saying anything factual.

We are all fucked.

Sad, isn't it?
Title: Re: Official G & O Debate Rematch Thread
Post by: Primemuscle on October 17, 2012, 03:29:14 PM
As for successful Businessmen as President, Herbert Hoover and LBJ immediately come to mind.

We are talking about successful businessmen who were also great Presidents. That's not the general consences with either of these former Presidents.

None of the better-than-average presidents was a businessman either. In this category think of Presidents John F. Kennedy, Dwight Eisenhower, Ronald Reagan, Lyndon Johnson, and Bill Clinton. Herbert Hoover is usually thought of as a rather bad President. Lyndon Johnson was a politican and teacher who married into a weathly family. He was not a successful businessman.

Title: Re: Official G & O Debate Rematch Thread
Post by: Primemuscle on October 17, 2012, 03:40:13 PM
I see people fighting hard for their unlimited food stamps

Actually, food stamp eligibility is determined by each state and not the Federal government.

Quote
The Federal Food Stamp Act of 1964 (PDF) is the most significant food plan in the United States. It provides food stamps for needy individuals that can be exchanged like money at authorized stores. The federal government pays for the amount of the benefit received, while states pay the costs of determining eligibility and distributing the stamps. In addition, state public assistance agencies run the program.
Title: Re: Official G & O Debate Rematch Thread
Post by: doison on October 17, 2012, 04:49:10 PM
Actually, food stamp eligibility is determined by each state and not the Federal government.


How do I get more free food?  I'm hungry as shit right now.
Title: Re: Official G & O Debate Rematch Thread
Post by: chaos on October 17, 2012, 04:52:10 PM
How do I get more free food?  I'm hungry as shit right now.
Get a job, freeloader.
Title: Re: Official G & O Debate Rematch Thread
Post by: Montague on October 17, 2012, 04:54:45 PM
Yes but Michelle got bigger legs and glutes. 


...and "abs."
Title: Re: Official G & O Debate Rematch Thread
Post by: doison on October 17, 2012, 04:56:55 PM
Get a job, freeloader.

Fuck that noise.  If rich assholes like you were able to understand how the world really works, you'd realize that paying for my food only HELPS you in the long run.  

Get rich off the government's hard work, but don't want to share the money they give you...typical rich-dick neocon repube.
Title: Re: Official G & O Debate Rematch Thread
Post by: chaos on October 17, 2012, 04:58:34 PM
Fuck that noise.  If rich assholes like you were able to understand how the world really works, you'd realize that paying for my food only HELPS you in the long run.  

Get rich off the government's hard work, but don't want to share the money they give you...typical rich-dick neocon repube.
Bottom feeder!
Title: Re: Official G & O Debate Rematch Thread
Post by: The True Adonis on October 17, 2012, 05:01:17 PM
We are talking about successful businessmen who were also great Presidents. That's not the general consences with either of these former Presidents.

None of the better-than-average presidents was a businessman either. In this category think of Presidents John F. Kennedy, Dwight Eisenhower, Ronald Reagan, Lyndon Johnson, and Bill Clinton. Herbert Hoover is usually thought of as a rather bad President. Lyndon Johnson was a politican and teacher who married into a weathly family. He was not a successful businessman.


I guess you never heard of a little thing called Johnson Broadcasting, KTBC,  the radio station they owned which broadcasted 24 hours a day and made them millions and millions.  One of the wealthiest Presidents to date.
Title: Re: Official G & O Debate Rematch Thread
Post by: doison on October 17, 2012, 05:01:33 PM
Bottom feeder!

Too dumb to understand how giving up more of the money government lets you earn only helps you in the long run...I pity ignorance such as your's.  


Maybe a few years of higher education would help you realize that it's people like me who've allowed you to earn your money? 
Title: Re: Official G & O Debate Rematch Thread
Post by: chaos on October 17, 2012, 05:02:43 PM
Too dumb to understand how giving up more of the money government lets you earn only helps you in the long run...I pity ignorance such as your's.  


Maybe a few years of higher education would help you realize that it's people like me who've allowed you to earn your money.
I worked for what I got, maybe you should try it some time,  scumbag.
Title: Re: Official G & O Debate Rematch Thread
Post by: The True Adonis on October 17, 2012, 05:03:31 PM
I guess you never heard of a little thing called Johnson Broadcasting, KTBC,  the radio station they owned which broadcasted 24 hours a day and made them millions and millions.  One of the wealthiest Presidents to date.

Also, they earned MILLIONS from their TV stations.  Johnson basically was in politics to make money and that he did.
Title: Re: Official G & O Debate Rematch Thread
Post by: Nails on October 17, 2012, 05:03:44 PM
(http://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc6/254756_501870733164368_1336936174_n.jpg)
Title: Re: Official G & O Debate Rematch Thread
Post by: doison on October 17, 2012, 05:06:23 PM
I worked for what I got, maybe you should try it some time,  scumbag.

You didn't earn that.  HTH, greedy fuckface
Title: Re: Official G & O Debate Rematch Thread
Post by: chaos on October 17, 2012, 05:07:29 PM
You didn't earn that.  HTH, greedy fuckface
I'm soaking the change I give to the homeless in mercury...  :-*
Title: Re: Official G & O Debate Rematch Thread
Post by: doison on October 17, 2012, 05:08:22 PM
I'm soaking the change I give to the homeless in mercury...  :-*

They need food, not change. You can't buy anything worthwhile with change. 

Title: Re: Official G & O Debate Rematch Thread
Post by: chaos on October 17, 2012, 05:10:36 PM
They need food, not change. You can't buy anything worthwhile with change. 


You can take your scraggly ass down to the liquor store and get a "foty".
Title: Re: Official G & O Debate Rematch Thread
Post by: MCWAY on October 17, 2012, 06:18:33 PM
You are missing the point entirely.  I bolded the part that matters, hope this helps.

I'm afraid YOU are missing the point.

Winning a debate, while getting smoked on THE MOST IMPORTANT ISSUE OF A CAMPAIGN, does not bode well for an incumbent president.

Biden won, too. How did that help Obama in the polls?

BTW, we just learned that Team Obama may be bailing out on three swing states: Florida, N. Carolina, and Virginia. Is it mere coincidence, especially considering that, after Obama got pummeled in the first debate, his RCP electoral college count DROPPED from 265 to 201 in just two weeks.
Title: Re: Official G & O Debate Rematch Thread
Post by: Soul Crusher on October 17, 2012, 06:27:58 PM
I'm afraid YOU are missing the point.

Winning a debate, while getting smoked on THE MOST IMPORTANT ISSUE OF A CAMPAIGN, does not bode well for an incumbent president.

Biden won, too. How did that help Obama in the polls?

BTW, we just learned that Team Obama may be bailing out on three swing states: Florida, N. Carolina, and Virginia. Is it mere coincidence, especially considering that, after Obama got pummeled in the first debate, his RCP electoral college count DROPPED from 265 to 201 in just two weeks.


LOL!!!!!  Bien crushed Ryan right!      ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D
Title: Re: Official G & O Debate Rematch Thread
Post by: Roger Bacon on October 17, 2012, 06:47:29 PM
(http://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc6/254756_501870733164368_1336936174_n.jpg)

Obama love da white womans...  Michelle is just a puppet. 
Title: Re: Official G & O Debate Rematch Thread
Post by: Hulkotron on October 17, 2012, 06:51:11 PM
I'm afraid YOU are missing the point.

Winning a debate, while getting smoked on THE MOST IMPORTANT ISSUE OF A CAMPAIGN, does not bode well for an incumbent president.

Biden won, too. How did that help Obama in the polls?

BTW, we just learned that Team Obama may be bailing out on three swing states: Florida, N. Carolina, and Virginia. Is it mere coincidence, especially considering that, after Obama got pummeled in the first debate, his RCP electoral college count DROPPED from 265 to 201 in just two weeks.

It's my point, I'll decide who's missing it.  You can pull up all the tangential poll results and speculative remarks you want, it doesn't change the fact that Obama won the debate.

Concerning polls, are you aware we have a thing called the Electoral College in this country?  I have not seen a single one that has Romney winning.

Obama 279, Romney 239 (http://electoral-vote.com)
Obama 201, Romney 191 [146 tossups] (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/2012_elections_electoral_college_map.html)
Obama 281, Romney 257 (http://www.electionprojection.com/2012elections/president12.php)
Obama 287, Romney 251 (http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com)

He still has ground to make up and I'm not sure why the right is getting all smug all of a sudden and thinking it's over just because he's catching up.  It's 20 days until the election, trending in the right direction may not be good enough.

Fortunately in 20 days this will be over and delusional tunnel-visioned retards like you will return to the Politics board regardless of who wins so we won't have to put up with your shitposting anymore.
Title: Re: Official G & O Debate Rematch Thread
Post by: MCWAY on October 17, 2012, 07:07:33 PM
It's my point, I'll decide who's missing it.  You can pull up all the tangential poll results and speculative remarks you want, it doesn't change the fact that Obama won the debate.

I never denied that. What I discussed was WHY he won the debate, which is the equivalent of a charity effort, given how badly he sucked in the first debate. Yet, for some STRANGE reason, the same voters that said he won gave his opponent better numbers on the economy (ISSUE #1).


It adds up to what I said from the start. Obama get the win, simply because he didn't absolutely BLOW the way he did two weeks ago.



Concerning polls, are you aware we have a thing called the Electoral College in this country?  I have not seen a single one that has Romney winning.

Obama 279, Romney 239 (http://electoral-vote.com)
Obama 201, Romney 191 [146 tossups] (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/2012_elections_electoral_college_map.html)
Obama 281, Romney 257 (http://www.electionprojection.com/2012elections/president12.php)
Obama 287, Romney 251 (http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com)

He still has ground to make up and I'm not sure why the right is getting all smug all of a sudden and thinking it's over just because he's catching up.  It's 20 days until the election, trending in the right direction may not be good enough.

Fortunately in 20 days this will be over and delusional tunnel-visioned retards like you will return to the Politics board regardless of who wins so we won't have to put up with your shitposting anymore.

One, I never declared that it's all over. If anything, I've been laughing, because the liberals (who thought Obama had this in the bag) are now sweating Crisco.

Two, I'm fully aware of the electoral college. You will recall that I mentioned Obama's plunge in RCP from 265 to 201. As for the rest of the site m you mentioned, those are without toss-ups. Of course, the toss-ups are close races within the margin of error, and with a significant portion of undecided voters (who, in case you forgot, tend to break FOR THE CHALLENGER).

Edit - As of 12:30 EST today, Romney now leads Obama in the RCP electoral college count, 206-201

Three, states that Obama should have locked up MONTHS AGO are still in play. That's not good news for the president

And, four, I can (and have) posted where I please. I started on G&O, long before you got here. And, I'll post here long after you leave.

In 20 days, voters are NOT going to be thinking about Obama's debate. They'll be thinking about the economy. And, if Obama keeps losing on the economic front, he can kiss the White House goodbye.
Title: Re: Official G & O Debate Rematch Thread
Post by: Palpatine Q on October 17, 2012, 07:32:23 PM
I never denied that. What I discussed was WHY he won the debate, which is the equivalent of a charity effort, given how badly he sucked in the first debate. Yet, for some STRANGE reason, the same voters that said he won gave his opponent better numbers on the economy (ISSUE #1).


It adds up to what I said from the start. Obama get the win, simply because he didn't absolutely BLOW the way he did two weeks ago.


One, I never declared that it's all over. If anything, I've been laughing, because the liberals (who thought Obama had this in the bag) are now sweating Crisco.

Two, I'm fully aware of the electoral college. You will recall that I mentioned Obama's plunge in RCP from 265 to 201. As for the rest of the site m you mentioned, those are without toss-ups. Of course, the toss-ups are close races within the margin of error, and with a significant portion of undecided voters (who, in case you forgot, tend to break FOR THE CHALLENGER).

Three, states that Obama should have locked up MONTHS AGO are still in play. That's not good news for the president

And, four, I can (and have) posted where I please. I started on G&O, long before you got here. And, I'll post here long after you leave.

In 20 days, voters are NOT going to be thinking about Obama's debate. They'll be thinking about the economy. And, if Obama keeps losing on the economic front, he can kiss the White House goodbye.


yeah we get it, you're Pro-Romney . How many times are you going to post the same shit.
Title: Re: Official G & O Debate Rematch Thread
Post by: haider on October 17, 2012, 07:36:15 PM

yeah we get it, you're Pro-Romney . How many times are you going to post the same shit.
lol attack dog personalities can be really annoying
Title: Re: Official G & O Debate Rematch Thread
Post by: garebear on October 17, 2012, 07:37:10 PM

yeah we get it, you're Pro-Romney . How many times are you going to post the same shit.
Agreed.

Title: Re: Official G & O Debate Rematch Thread
Post by: Bad Boy Dazza on October 17, 2012, 08:55:59 PM
I worked for what I got, maybe you should try it some time,  scumbag.

Ha ha, doison is JOKING, riigghtt?    He can't be serious. 
Title: Re: Official G & O Debate Rematch Thread
Post by: 240 is Back on October 17, 2012, 09:50:09 PM
A non-issue?   Or another october bombshell?   What do you think?

it's wrong for Unions to tell people how to vote.  Is this right?



Leaked Audio Captures Romney Asking Employers To Tell Their Employees How To Vote

Newly-discovered audio from a conference call in June captures Mitt Romney asking business owners to urge their employees to vote for him.
 
Romney, speaking on a call to the very conservative National Federation of Independent Business, tells a group of business owners that they should “make it very clear” how they feel about the candidates. He also tells the business owners to “pass… along to your employees” how their jobs might be effected by who wins in November:
 
I hope you make it very clear to your employees what you believe is in the best interest of your enterprise and therefore their job and their future in the upcoming elections. And whether you agree with me or you agree with President Obama, or whatever your political view, I hope — I hope you pass those along to your employees. Nothing illegal about you talking to your employees about what you believe is best for the business, because I think that will figure into their election decision, their voting decision and of course doing that with your family and your kids as well.


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Title: Re: Official G & O Debate Rematch Thread
Post by: Primemuscle on October 18, 2012, 10:26:07 AM
I guess you never heard of a little thing called Johnson Broadcasting, KTBC,  the radio station they owned which broadcasted 24 hours a day and made them millions and millions.  One of the wealthiest Presidents to date.

Although Lyndon Johnson is listed as the 7th wealiest President, it was his wife who had the wealth.

In 1943, the year Lady Bird Johnson purchased KTBC, the Federal Communications Commission, which reviewed all broadcast-license transfers, was close to being abolished, Caro writes. Lyndon Johnson used his political influence in both Congress and the White House to prevent that from happening. The FCC was among the most politicized agencies in the government, Caro asserts, and it knew who its friends were.

Mrs. Johnson's ability as a business woman was not the crucial factor in the acquisition of the station or, once it was acquired, in its early growth. ... Lyndon Johnson had worked at politics for years to achieve power; now he was working at politics to make money.

Under Texas law, the station belonged solely to Lady Bird because she purchased it with her inheritance. But as her spouse, Lyndon owned half of all the profits. He was ultra-active in recruiting staff and running the operation, and by 1948, Caro writes, he was telling his friends that he was a millionaire.
Title: Re: Official G & O Debate Rematch Thread
Post by: Mr.1derful on October 18, 2012, 04:40:43 PM
You ignorant bastards should have supported Ron Paul.  ::)

Ron Paul was the man to put in office, by far.  Romney, or Obama will lead the U.S to ruin. It is coming, that is certain. Welcome to the NWO.
Title: Re: Official G & O Debate Rematch Thread
Post by: garebear on October 18, 2012, 05:02:18 PM
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Title: Re: Official G & O Debate Rematch Thread
Post by: MCWAY on October 18, 2012, 05:12:32 PM
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Are you smoking crack?

When Romney clubbed Obama in the first debate, Democrats blamed:

- The altitude
- A secret handkerchief in Romney's pocket
- Fear of Obama being perceived as an angry black man
- Brain Freeze
- John Kerry
- The moderator, Jim Lehrer.

And that's just the short list.
Title: Re: Official G & O Debate Rematch Thread
Post by: flipper5470 on October 18, 2012, 05:15:32 PM
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Bullshit...after the first debate, Liberals blamed Lehrer for not keeping Romney "on point" and not "asserting himself" enough
Title: Re: Official G & O Debate Rematch Thread
Post by: Nails on October 18, 2012, 05:16:12 PM
Romney SON Says He Wanted to 'Swing' At President Obama in Debat




(http://images.starpulse.com/news/resize_image.php?source_image_uri=http%3A%2F%2Fll-media.tmz.com%2F2012%2F10%2F18%2F101812-tagg-romney-launch-2.jpg&fp=x&target_height=300&target_width=300)
Title: Re: Official G & O Debate Rematch Thread
Post by: MCWAY on October 18, 2012, 05:16:24 PM
Bullshit...after the first debate, Liberals blamed Lehrer for not keeping Romney "on point" and not "asserting himself" enough

In other words, Lehrer just sat there and let Romney go upside Obama's head.
Title: Re: Official G & O Debate Rematch Thread
Post by: Primemuscle on October 18, 2012, 09:48:40 PM
Are you smoking crack?

When Romney clubbed Obama in the first debate, Democrats blamed:

- The altitude
- A secret handkerchief in Romney's pocket
- Fear of Obama being perceived as an angry black man
- Brain Freeze
- John Kerry
- The moderator, Jim Lehrer.

And that's just the short list.

Believe it or not, some people perceive aggressiveness as a negative coming from a black person and not so much when it comes from a white person. So I suspect there is some truth to his having that fear. Thankfully, he got over it in time for the second debate.
Title: Re: Official G & O Debate Rematch Thread
Post by: flipper5470 on October 18, 2012, 09:51:51 PM
Ideology aside...Obama looks like shit lately.  He looks drawn, tired and emaciated.  The stress of being an abject failure is clearly weighing on him. 
Title: Re: Official G & O Debate Rematch Thread
Post by: Primemuscle on October 18, 2012, 09:52:52 PM
(http://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc6/254756_501870733164368_1336936174_n.jpg)

In case you didn't know, it is breast cancer awareness month and pink is the offical color for this. Both women were showing support for breast cancer awareness.
Title: Re: Official G & O Debate Rematch Thread
Post by: Primemuscle on October 18, 2012, 10:09:55 PM
A non-issue?   Or another october bombshell?   What do you think?

it's wrong for Unions to tell people how to vote.  Is this right?

It is wrong to tell anyone how to vote regardless of who you are. If unions (usually the union members do the endorsements) endorse candidates and some union members choose not to vote for that candidate, it is no big deal. If your employer tells you who to vote for they can, hypothetically, hold your job hostage.
Title: Re: Official G & O Debate Rematch Thread
Post by: G_Thang on October 18, 2012, 10:43:25 PM
(http://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc6/254756_501870733164368_1336936174_n.jpg)

Body Language  ???

Michelle is Real.



Ann is looking out the corner of her eye for the photo op, a bit Fake.



Obama > Romney

Cut the BS and get this election over, already.
Title: Re: Official G & O Debate Rematch Thread
Post by: MCWAY on October 18, 2012, 11:17:07 PM
(http://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc6/254756_501870733164368_1336936174_n.jpg)

Body Language  ???

Michelle is Real.



Ann is looking out the corner of her eye for the photo op, a bit Fake.



Obama > Romney

Cut the BS and get this election over, already.

The sooner Obama gets booted, the better.
Title: Re: Official G & O Debate Rematch Thread
Post by: MCWAY on October 18, 2012, 11:19:19 PM
Believe it or not, some people perceive aggressiveness as a negative coming from a black person and not so much when it comes from a white person. So I suspect there is some truth to his having that fear. Thankfully, he got over it in time for the second debate.

Or, it's simply a case of his being caught flat-footed and Romney going upside his head, at 100 MPH.

Did Obama really think that Romney wouldn't come loaded for bear in a debate? Or does he, like too many of his supporters, thinks he can hide behind his skin color, when he fails to get the job done?
Title: Re: Official G & O Debate Rematch Thread
Post by: Primemuscle on October 19, 2012, 09:13:53 AM
Or, it's simply a case of his being caught flat-footed and Romney going upside his head, at 100 MPH.

Did Obama really think that Romney wouldn't come loaded for bear in a debate? Or does he, like too many of his supporters, thinks he can hide behind his skin color, when he fails to get the job done?


Most of the folks I know support President Obama. Most of them are white. They usually get the job done. But if they didn't, do you think they would hide behind their skin color?

Anyway, it seems like you have your debates mixed up. Romney didn't win this debate. Obama got the job done! Have you been in a coma since Tuesday night?
Title: Re: Official G & O Debate Rematch Thread
Post by: Soul Crusher on October 19, 2012, 09:18:03 AM
Most of the folks I know support President Obama. Most of them are white. They usually get the job done. But if they didn't, do you think they would hide behind their skin color?

Anyway, it seems like you have your debates mixed up. Romney didn't win this debate. Obama got the job done! Have you been in a coma since Tuesday night?


LOL - yeah to his delusional cult of sheep.   What are we talking about today?   His lies on energy, lybia, etc. 
Title: Re: Official G & O Debate Rematch Thread
Post by: MCWAY on October 19, 2012, 09:47:22 AM
Most of the folks I know support President Obama. Most of them are white. They usually get the job done. But if they didn't, do you think they would hide behind their skin color?

Anyway, it seems like you have your debates mixed up. Romney didn't win this debate. Obama got the job done! Have you been in a coma since Tuesday night?

I'm not mixing up the debates. You will recall that Garebear posted that cute comic, claiming that only the Republicans made excuses for losing a debate. I reminded him of all the mess the left was saying, after Obama tanked the first debate, including "Fear-of-Angry-Black-Man"-Gate.

As for Obama getting it done in debate 2, you could have fooled me. One, as mentioned earlier, Romney beat Obama on four of five major issues, surrounding the debate. Thus, Obama won simply for not sucking, as he did last time.

That also seems to be manifested by the fact that, while Romney's win in debate one catapulted him above Obama, the president's win of debate #2 (thus far) hasn't done JACK to help his re-election bid.

Since that debate, Obama has lost lead in the RCP electoral college man and now Romney leads him in Gallup, 52-45.

Unless those number change and change rather quickly, it appears Obama' second debate win is as hollow as a beach ball.
Title: Re: Official G & O Debate Rematch Thread
Post by: Princess L on October 19, 2012, 12:12:05 PM
It is wrong to tell anyone how to vote regardless of who you are. If unions (usually the union members do the endorsements) endorse candidates and some union members choose not to vote for that candidate, it is no big deal. If your employer tells you who to vote for they can, hypothetically, hold your job hostage.

Where in that statement is he suggesting employers tell their employees how to vote?

And if you think unions don't strong- arm their members into voting their way and if they don't "it's no big deal", then you haven't been paying attention!




Romney, speaking on a call to the very conservative National Federation of Independent Business, tells a group of business owners that they should “make it very clear” how they feel about the candidates. He also tells the business owners to “pass… along to your employees” how their jobs might be effected by who wins in November:
 
I hope you make it very clear to your employees what you believe is in the best interest of your enterprise and therefore their job and their future in the upcoming elections. And whether you agree with me or you agree with President Obama, or whatever your political view, I hope — I hope you pass those along to your employees. Nothing illegal about you talking to your employees about what you believe is best for the business, because I think that will figure into their election decision, their voting decision and of course doing that with your family and your kids as well.
Title: Re: Official G & O Debate Rematch Thread
Post by: Soul Crusher on October 19, 2012, 12:18:32 PM
Where in that statement is he suggesting employers tell their employees how to vote?

And if you think unions don't strong- arm their members into voting their way and if they don't "it's no big deal", then you haven't been paying attention!




Its only wrong when business does it.  its never wrong wjhen the union thugs do it.  
Title: Re: Official G & O Debate Rematch Thread
Post by: Roger Bacon on October 19, 2012, 12:24:23 PM
The Unions are out of fucking control.

You should see how they're literally shaking down my city.  They have council by the balls and all the citizens are paying the price.
Title: Re: Official G & O Debate Rematch Thread
Post by: Nails on October 19, 2012, 01:00:29 PM
Title: Re: Official G & O Debate Rematch Thread
Post by: flipper5470 on October 19, 2012, 01:44:24 PM
Of course Ann Romney is looking out of the corner of her eye...there's angry black people around.  You're expecting her to just stand there and get shanked by Michelle?
Title: Re: Official G & O Debate Rematch Thread
Post by: G_Thang on October 19, 2012, 01:53:41 PM


Rosie is a bit off base.  White Latinos will jump on the Romney/Puppet ticket like it's no tomorrow, since those two are what they always wished they could be.

Hey Rosie, I loved your Soul Tan days.



J Ho had nothing on you  ;)
Title: Re: Official G & O Debate Rematch Thread
Post by: Mr.1derful on October 19, 2012, 08:01:59 PM
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(http://www.wallpapersbase.org.ua/images/gallery/nwo.jpg)
Title: Re: Official G & O Debate Rematch Thread
Post by: Primemuscle on October 20, 2012, 08:31:14 AM
Its only wrong when business does it.  its never wrong wjhen the union thugs do it.  

Obviously, you do not have union associations.
Title: Re: Official G & O Debate Rematch Thread
Post by: Soul Crusher on October 20, 2012, 08:37:54 AM
Obviously, you do not have union associations.

The union thugs have destroyed the state i live in.  the unions, especially the public sector goons, are like breeding locusts and parasites. 

Even FDR said public sector should not be able to unionize. 

Unions do nothing but benefit the union, do nothing for the average guy who has to pay for the hihgher costs, labor, etc. 

Title: Re: Official G & O Debate Rematch Thread
Post by: Primemuscle on October 21, 2012, 08:47:18 AM
The union thugs have destroyed the state i live in.  the unions, especially the public sector goons, are like breeding locusts and parasites. 

Even FDR said public sector should not be able to unionize. 

Unions do nothing but benefit the union, do nothing for the average guy who has to pay for the hihgher costs, labor, etc. 




I cannot speak for New York, but in Oregon where I live, most public employees earn modest incomes with benefits that mirror private sector workers. I retired after working in the public sector for nearly 30 years. When I first moved from a private sector job to a public one, I took a large reduction in wages with a small bump in benefits. As medical insurance became more and more expensive over the years, the employees where I worked were asked to pay an ever larger portion of the premiums while the benefits were reduced (co-pays increased). In order to avoid paying for benefits, many public employers are hiring part-time employees just as happens in the private sector. Sometimes the grass just looks greener until you are standing on it.

You might find this interesting reading: http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/misc/R41897.pdf (http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/misc/R41897.pdf)