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Title: Thinking of putting GF on 500 cal diet
Post by: animal1991 on October 17, 2012, 07:18:20 AM
So I've tried any diet you can think of and my GF just can't lose the weight. She's 67kg and would like to get down to atleast 58, but nothing I've tried with her results in a kg lost.

I've posted before and most you guys are probably tired of hearing about it, but I don't know what to do anymore.

I've had her on keto, balanced, high carb, all ranging in around 1000-1500 cals, which is in a good deficit, and nothing seems to budge.

We went to the doc yesterday to get her thyroid levels checked, so waiting for the results. The doc also prescribed Duromine to see if she can lose weight, but we haven't got it it.

So the only thing I can think of the problem can be that she can't lose weight is hormones, maybe too high estrogen and/or low thyroid levels ? ? ?

I was reading about a 500 cal diet so that she can "force" her body into the fat loss. Some people have gotten good results and kept it off due to keeping their nutrition habits good.

This is my last resort because I don't know what to do anymore.

When she reached her goal weight, hopefully in 4-6 weeks, I was thinking of adding about 100/200 calories every week or so until maintenance is reached.

EDIT:
Forgot to mention refeeds / cheat days would be Saturday and Sunday, in moderation, 2-3 meals at most and stop eating when full.


Title: Re: Thinking of putting GF on 500 cal diet
Post by: Radical Plato on October 17, 2012, 07:19:47 AM
Maybe try a douche, just in case!


Title: Re: Thinking of putting GF on 500 cal diet
Post by: hrspwr on October 17, 2012, 07:35:03 AM
nekkid pics and then we will judge if she needs to be on a diet or date big mike.


Title: Re: Thinking of putting GF on 500 cal diet
Post by: Princess L on October 17, 2012, 07:47:39 AM
So I've tried any diet you can think of and my GF just can't lose the weight. She's 67kg and would like to get down to atleast 58, but nothing I've tried with her results in a kg lost.


I was reading about a 500 cal diet so that she can "force" her body into the fat loss. Some people have gotten good results and kept it off due to keeping their nutrition habits good.



Are you talking about the HCG diet  (injections of the human chorionic gonadotropin hormone)?


Title: Re: Thinking of putting GF on 500 cal diet
Post by: animal1991 on October 17, 2012, 07:49:44 AM
Are you talking about the HCG diet  (injections of the human chorionic gonadotropin hormone)?
Yes, that's where the idea came from but of course WITHOUT the HCG. I know its very drastic but I don't know what to do anymore. She gets discouraged because she works her ass off and doesn't shift any weight!


Title: Re: Thinking of putting GF on 500 cal diet
Post by: El Diablo Blanco on October 17, 2012, 07:52:53 AM
Have more sex but make her ride you, she'll burn a ton of calories.  Also tape her mouth shut. It would do wonders for you.


Title: Re: Thinking of putting GF on 500 cal diet
Post by: Bad Boy Dazza on October 17, 2012, 07:55:03 AM
So I've tried any diet you can think of and my GF just can't lose the weight. She's 67kg and would like to get down to atleast 58, but nothing I've tried with her results in a kg lost.

I've posted before and most you guys are probably tired of hearing about it, but I don't know what to do anymore.

I've had her on keto, balanced, high carb, all ranging in around 1000-1500 cals, which is in a good deficit, and nothing seems to budge.

We went to the doc yesterday to get her thyroid levels checked, so waiting for the results. The doc also prescribed Duromine to see if she can lose weight, but we haven't got it it.

So the only thing I can think of the problem can be that she can't lose weight is hormones, maybe too high estrogen and/or low thyroid levels ? ? ?

I was reading about a 500 cal diet so that she can "force" her body into the fat loss. Some people have gotten good results and kept it off due to keeping their nutrition habits good.

This is my last resort because I don't know what to do anymore.

When she reached her goal weight, hopefully in 4-6 weeks, I was thinking of adding about 100/200 calories every week or so until maintenance is reached.

EDIT:
Forgot to mention refeeds / cheat days would be Saturday and Sunday, in moderation, 2-3 meals at most and stop eating when full.

How much cardio does she do?  Does she walk?  Get who to do a lot of walking.


Title: Re: Thinking of putting GF on 500 cal diet
Post by: animal1991 on October 17, 2012, 07:58:14 AM
How much cardio does she do?  Does she walk?  Get who to do a lot of walking.
We do weight training 3x a week and post workout cardio between 1-3 times a week for about 20min. The thing if even if she does not do any cardio, she should have at least lost a few lbs just from dieting and weight training alone.

I mean even if she eats the shittest food and eats in a calorie deificit she should have lost a few lbs by now, that's what I can't understand!


Title: Re: Thinking of putting GF on 500 cal diet
Post by: El Diablo Blanco on October 17, 2012, 07:59:18 AM
We do weight training 3x a week and post workout cardio between 1-3 times a week for about 20min. The thing if even if she does not do any cardio, she should have at least lost a few lbs just from dieting and weight training alone.

I mean even if she eats the shittest food and eats in a calorie deificit she should have lost a few lbs by now, that's what I can't understand!

Skip weight training altogether.  Have her do lots of walking lunges to keep her ass and thighs tight and up the cardio.


Title: Re: Thinking of putting GF on 500 cal diet
Post by: Bad Boy Dazza on October 17, 2012, 07:59:56 AM
Fair enough, but she needs to do a minimum 30 min cardio a day IMO.


Title: Re: Thinking of putting GF on 500 cal diet
Post by: Butterbean on October 17, 2012, 08:01:14 AM
We do weight training 3x a week and post workout cardio between 1-3 times a week for about 20min. The thing if even if she does not do any cardio, she should have at least lost a few lbs just from dieting and weight training alone.

I mean even if she eats the shittest food and eats in a calorie deificit she should have lost a few lbs by now, that's what I can't understand!

Up the cardio to 5x a week for 45 minutes each session.

How tall is she?

Are you sure she's not "sneak-eating?"


Title: Re: Thinking of putting GF on 500 cal diet
Post by: animal1991 on October 17, 2012, 08:01:48 AM
Fair enough, but she needs to do a minimum 30 min cardio a day IMO.
I get that your saying that cardio is important, and should be done more. Is it just to create a larger calorie deficit?


Title: Re: Thinking of putting GF on 500 cal diet
Post by: Moen on October 17, 2012, 08:03:05 AM
How fat is she?


Title: Re: Thinking of putting GF on 500 cal diet
Post by: animal1991 on October 17, 2012, 08:05:04 AM
Up the cardio to 5x a week for 45 minutes each session.

How tall is she?

Are you sure she's not "sneak-eating?"
Isn't the cardio excessive? Or do females need to do that much to get into decent shape?

She's 1,65m (165cm). Yes, we live together and I know and see everything she eats. She's very disciplined on the normal diet, and when we refeed she never overeats, so I don't get what the problem is.


Title: Re: Thinking of putting GF on 500 cal diet
Post by: animal1991 on October 17, 2012, 08:05:51 AM
How fat is she?
She's probably around 20-22% bodyfat for woman and would like to get down to 16-18%


Title: Re: Thinking of putting GF on 500 cal diet
Post by: DroppingPlates on October 17, 2012, 08:06:05 AM
There's no hope, dump her and find a new one


Title: Re: Thinking of putting GF on 500 cal diet
Post by: Bad Boy Dazza on October 17, 2012, 08:09:12 AM
I get that your saying that cardio is important, and should be done more. Is it just to create a larger calorie deficit?
A big part of it, but the benefits of the cardio are more complex than just burning calories - increased endurance, better blood flow, better "mood" etc will all benefit her in maintaining her health improvements.


Title: Re: Thinking of putting GF on 500 cal diet
Post by: Moen on October 17, 2012, 08:11:57 AM
She's probably around 20-22% bodyfat for woman and would like to get down to 16-18%

Hmm, going over all of the data, my conclusion is the same as Droppingplate's, she's unmanageable bro. Find one that has more potential.


Title: Re: Thinking of putting GF on 500 cal diet
Post by: animal1991 on October 17, 2012, 08:13:41 AM
A big part of it, but the benefits of the cardio are more complex than just burning calories - increased endurance, better blood flow, better "mood" etc will all benefit her in maintaining her health improvements.
So weight training 3x a week + 500 cal diet + cardio 30-45min 4-5x a week?


Title: Re: Thinking of putting GF on 500 cal diet
Post by: Psychopath on October 17, 2012, 08:14:05 AM
This will not end well.


Title: Re: Thinking of putting GF on 500 cal diet
Post by: animal1991 on October 17, 2012, 08:14:23 AM
Hmm, going over all of the data, my conclusion is the same as Droppingplate's, she's unmanageable bro. Find one that has more potential.
I'm not that shallow bro, haha


Title: Re: Thinking of putting GF on 500 cal diet
Post by: animal1991 on October 17, 2012, 08:15:13 AM
This will not end well.
That's why I'm posting for advice bro before doing it


Title: Re: Thinking of putting GF on 500 cal diet
Post by: Bad Boy Dazza on October 17, 2012, 08:16:19 AM
So weight training 3x a week + 500 cal diet + cardio 30-45min 4-5x a week?

Can't comment on the right calories for her, but keep them in a healthy range so she has good energy levels, the rest sounds good.


Title: Re: Thinking of putting GF on 500 cal diet
Post by: animal1991 on October 17, 2012, 08:20:04 AM
Can't comment on the right calories for her, but keep them in a healthy range so she has good energy levels, the rest sounds good.
The thing is why its so low is that the results can come quick, and when desired weight is reached, calories can be added back until maintenance is reached.

A local nutrition guru put her on this diet:
#1 - 15-30 minutes after waking up
1 Serving Whey
20g Oats (Raw Measure)

#2 - Mid-Morning Snack
2 Tsp Peanut Butter
1 Medium Apple

#3 - Lunch
90g Chicken / Tuna / Beef
15g Brown Rice (Raw Measure) / ¼ Cup Cooked (70g)

#4 - Afternoon Snack
2 Tsp Peanut Butter
1 Medium Apple

#5 - Dinner
90g Chicken or 3 Whole Eggs
40g Avocado

But I'm not a big fan of it. Equals to around 900-1000 calories.

The 500-600 calorie diet will look something like this:
Breakfast:
1-2 coffee with 1-2 tbsp of milk with sweetener

Lunch:
1 Can (120g) Tuna + 40g Avocado + 2 tbsp Trim (low fat mayo) + green fibrous veg
or
4 Whole Eggs + green fibrous veg

Dinner:
100g Ground Beef + green fibrous veg
or
200g Chicken Breast + green fibrous veg


Title: Re: Thinking of putting GF on 500 cal diet
Post by: Bad Boy Dazza on October 17, 2012, 08:26:35 AM
The 500 cal diet sounds to extreme to me.  Better to exercise more as we discussed and eat a bit more.  You know what they say about extreme diets - they rarely work LONG TERM and can even end up making things worse.


Title: Re: Thinking of putting GF on 500 cal diet
Post by: dj181 on October 17, 2012, 08:26:45 AM
don't focus just on her scale weight, take photos of her and then you can properly assess her progress or lack there of from the visual proof/evidence of the pics

also, why not try some metabolic conditioning training with her?

i've just started this technnique myself, and i can let you know how it goes via pm if you're interested


Title: Re: Thinking of putting GF on 500 cal diet
Post by: Butterbean on October 17, 2012, 08:28:14 AM
Isn't the cardio excessive? Or do females need to do that much to get into decent shape?

She's 1,65m (165cm). Yes, we live together and I know and see everything she eats. She's very disciplined on the normal diet, and when we refeed she never overeats, so I don't get what the problem is.

The cardio is not excessive at all.  In fact she could do it every day but to keep her from getting too bored or hating it, limit to 5x week.

What are you having her eat in an average day?

You say she lifts 3x per week.  Could you give an example of your lifting for the week w/her?  



Title: Re: Thinking of putting GF on 500 cal diet
Post by: animal1991 on October 17, 2012, 08:30:34 AM
don't focus just on her scale weight, take photos of her and then you can properly assess her progress or lack there of from the visual proof/evidence of the pics

also, why not try some metabolic conditioning training with her?

i've just started this technnique myself, and i can let you know how it goes via pm if you're interested

She really trains her ass off, but nothing happens, and I can't figure out why. If you can PM me maybe an example workout I will try it. I will even do the 500 calorie diet with her so that she doesn't need to suffer alone, and I would also get ripped more quickly in the process!


Title: Re: Thinking of putting GF on 500 cal diet
Post by: Moen on October 17, 2012, 08:34:29 AM
I'm not that shallow bro, haha

Why not? Do you have a history of mental disease?


Title: Re: Thinking of putting GF on 500 cal diet
Post by: animal1991 on October 17, 2012, 08:36:06 AM
The cardio is not excessive at all.  In fact she could do it every day but to keep her from getting too bored or hating it, limit to 5x week.

What are you having her eat in an average day?

You say she lifts 3x per week.  Could you give an example of your lifting for the week w/her? 


Well normally:
Breakfast
3 Whole eggs
40g oats
Honey
Banana

Lunch
1 Can Tuna
40g Avo

Dinner
100g ground beef / chicken
Veggies

Weight training:
Day #1 legs
Giant set-
DB squat
Reverse lunges
Back squat.           4x8-12
Walking lunges 4x8-12
Leg curls 4x8-12

Day #2- chest delts tris
Inc db press superset with inc flyes 4x8-12
Machine press 4x8-12
Db overhead press superset with lateral raises 4x8-12
Tricep pushdowns superset with dips 4x8-12

Day #3- back bis
Deadlift 4x5-8
Close grip pull downs 4x8-12
Barbell rows 4x8-12
Barbell / db curls 4x8-12


Title: Re: Thinking of putting GF on 500 cal diet
Post by: dj181 on October 17, 2012, 08:38:07 AM
She really trains her ass off, but nothing happens, and I can't figure out why. If you can PM me maybe an example workout I will try it. I will even do the 500 calorie diet with her so that she doesn't need to suffer alone, and I would also get ripped more quickly in the process!

allright man, i'll pm you in a few

and by the way, you don't need to take her cals that low man, what you need to do is change her metabolism, and i'll explain this to you via pm brother


Title: Re: Thinking of putting GF on 500 cal diet
Post by: animal1991 on October 17, 2012, 08:43:34 AM
allright man, i'll pm you in a few

and by the way, you don't need to take her cals that low man, what you need to do is change her metabolism, and i'll explain this to you via pm brother
allright man, i'll pm you in a few

and by the way, you don't need to take her cals that low man, what you need to do is change her metabolism, and i'll explain this to you via pm brother
Thanks a million


Title: Re: Thinking of putting GF on 500 cal diet
Post by: Tapeworm on October 17, 2012, 08:45:26 AM
500 calories a day is an awful idea.  It's the definition of crash dieting.

No one magically retains bodyweight at 1000 cal/day with exercise.  She's eating or drinking something.  She may be doing it resentfully if you're overly keen on her losing weight.  Backing off for awhile and simply eating reasonably healthy without calorie counting could be a welcome break.

Besides, 147 lbs isn't exactly hambeast territory.  Bet you're gonna miss dat ass.


Title: Re: Thinking of putting GF on 500 cal diet
Post by: OTHstrong on October 17, 2012, 08:47:10 AM
So I've tried any diet you can think of and my GF just can't lose the weight. She's 67kg and would like to get down to atleast 58, but nothing I've tried with her results in a kg lost.

I've posted before and most you guys are probably tired of hearing about it, but I don't know what to do anymore.

I've had her on keto, balanced, high carb, all ranging in around 1000-1500 cals, which is in a good deficit, and nothing seems to budge.

We went to the doc yesterday to get her thyroid levels checked, so waiting for the results. The doc also prescribed Duromine to see if she can lose weight, but we haven't got it it.

So the only thing I can think of the problem can be that she can't lose weight is hormones, maybe too high estrogen and/or low thyroid levels ? ? ?

I was reading about a 500 cal diet so that she can "force" her body into the fat loss. Some people have gotten good results and kept it off due to keeping their nutrition habits good.

This is my last resort because I don't know what to do anymore.

When she reached her goal weight, hopefully in 4-6 weeks, I was thinking of adding about 100/200 calories every week or so until maintenance is reached.

EDIT:
Forgot to mention refeeds / cheat days would be Saturday and Sunday, in moderation, 2-3 meals at most and stop eating when full.
There may be 1 reason that would never cross your mind and it is the same reason for 90% of people with your problem or rather her problem. Trust me I am in the industry and have brought many to contest shape and this is the most common problem ever, it is the culprit 90% of the time and no one will ever be aware of it cause they are in denial and they are not true to themselves, ready........ 3,.....2,....1.....

SHE IS LYING ABOUT WHAT SHE EATS

of course you will claim No and of course you will believe her, but you are not with her 100% of the time bro, diets do not lie, to say they do not have an effect is to be in denial that she is not fooling you on how much she eats.

Anyway try this--
zero carbs, as much protein as she wants in the form of chicken breast and talipia fish, brocoli and asparagus, impossible not to get shredded on this diet.


Title: Re: Thinking of putting GF on 500 cal diet
Post by: Conker on October 17, 2012, 08:49:01 AM
you've tried all these diets and she is doing regular cardio yet she won't lose any weight? she is either a scientific miracle in that she can eat less than maintenance calories and still maintain her weight or she is cheating

i'm guessing the latter, doesn't matter what diet you put on her if she's gonna cheat.


Title: Re: Thinking of putting GF on 500 cal diet
Post by: animal1991 on October 17, 2012, 08:50:22 AM
500 calories a day is an awful idea.  It's the definition of crash dieting.

No one magically retains bodyweight at 1000 cal/day with exercise.  She's eating or drinking something.  She may be doing it resentfully if you're overly keen on her losing weight.  Backing off for awhile and simply eating reasonably healthy without calorie counting could be a welcome break.

Besides, 147 lbs isn't exactly hambeast territory.  Bet you're gonna miss dat ass.
I'm not pressuring her to lose the weight, she wants to. And she isn't like that and wouldn't like to spite me. Yes I know 147lbs isn't much, but she wants to get leaner and lose bodyfat to get a bikini body. She wants to compete next year. Squats have built her a nice round ass, but she wants to "firm up" as she says


Title: Re: Thinking of putting GF on 500 cal diet
Post by: HTexan on October 17, 2012, 08:50:43 AM
Maybe she is trying to gain weight so people will stop asking her why the hell is she with you for!!! :D


Title: Re: Thinking of putting GF on 500 cal diet
Post by: animal1991 on October 17, 2012, 08:52:57 AM
There may be 1 reason that would never cross your mind and it is the same reason for 90% of people with your problem or rather her problem. Trust me I am in the industry and have brought many to contest shape and this is the most common problem ever, it is the culprit 90% of the time and no one will ever be aware of it cause they are in denial and they are not true to themselves, ready........ 3,.....2,....1.....

SHE IS LYING ABOUT WHAT SHE EATS

of course you will claim No and of course you will believe her, but you are not with her 100% of the time bro, diets do not lie, to say they do not have an effect is to be in denial that she is not fooling you on how much she eats.

Anyway try this--
zero carbs, as much protein as she wants in the form of chicken breast and talipia fish, brocoli and asparagus, impossible not to get shredded on this diet.
I'm telling you bro, I'm with her 24/7 except if she needs to go to class or have to do a project and I'm sure she doesn't cheat then. That's why I don't know what to do anymore! And have had her thyroid checked to make sure everything is okay. But I'll try it non the less


Title: Re: Thinking of putting GF on 500 cal diet
Post by: Butterbean on October 17, 2012, 08:53:12 AM
Well normally:
Breakfast
3 Whole eggs
40g oats
Honey
Banana

Lunch
1 Can Tuna
40g Avo

Dinner
100g ground beef / chicken
Veggies

Weight training:
Day #1 legs
Giant set-
DB squat
Reverse lunges
Back squat.           4x8-12
Walking lunges 4x8-12
Leg curls 4x8-12

Day #2- chest delts tris
Inc db press superset with inc flyes 4x8-12
Machine press 4x8-12
Db overhead press superset with lateral raises 4x8-12
Tricep pushdowns superset with dips 4x8-12

Day #3- back bis
Deadlift 4x5-8
Close grip pull downs 4x8-12
Barbell rows 4x8-12
Barbell / db curls 4x8-12

That all sounds OK if she's not eating tons of honey and I don't know what Avo is.

I would not have her eat less food.  That doesn't seem like much food to begin with.  dj may also tell you to space out some meals and have her get more protein. 

If she's lifting decent weight, I would just up her cardio and maybe make it more intense. 

I think former competitor Jenny Worth had a thyroid issue (not sure) and in contest prep would have to do between 2 and 3 hours of cardio a day (I think).  45 min 5x per week (or more) should help your girl imo.




Title: Re: Thinking of putting GF on 500 cal diet
Post by: OTHstrong on October 17, 2012, 08:55:35 AM
I'm not pressuring her to lose the weight, she wants to. And she isn't like that and wouldn't like to spite me. Yes I know 147lbs isn't much, but she wants to get leaner and lose bodyfat to get a bikini body. She wants to compete next year. Squats have built her a nice round ass, but she wants to "firm up" as she says
I laugh at people who do not want to believe this, they do not realize how common it is. One day binge eating will cancel out 4-6 days of hardcore dieting, so it may seem like someone is dieting strong all the time but it is where they fuck up and go crazy that hurts them and everyone does this, fuck even the pros break down.


Title: Re: Thinking of putting GF on 500 cal diet
Post by: Butterbean on October 17, 2012, 08:56:35 AM
hambeast territory.

 ;D


Also animal, there was a guy on here that was a trainer who said a client of his couldn't lose weight and was eating clean.  Then he discovered she was drinking like 3 non-diet Big Gulps (something like that) a day.  After she stopped that, she lost weight.  Just checking to see there is nothing like that going on.


Title: Re: Thinking of putting GF on 500 cal diet
Post by: OTHstrong on October 17, 2012, 08:59:11 AM
I'm telling you bro, I'm with her 24/7 except if she needs to go to class or have to do a project and I'm sure she doesn't cheat then. That's why I don't know what to do anymore! And have had her thyroid checked to make sure everything is okay. But I'll try it non the less
So you better send her to scientific research center cause she is breaking all biological law, lol, bro calorie deficit is as concrete as the laws of gravity, save it she is eating everything in sight when you are not looking, wake up.

Do you also know someone who can defy physics


Title: Re: Thinking of putting GF on 500 cal diet
Post by: animal1991 on October 17, 2012, 09:01:43 AM
That all sounds OK if she's not eating tons of honey and I don't know what Avo is.

I would not have her eat less food like dj and others have said.  That doesn't seem like much food to begin with.  He may also tell you to space out some meals and have her get more protein.  

If she's lifting decent weight, I would just up her cardio and maybe make it more intense.  

I think former competitor Jenny Worth had a thyroid issue (not sure) and in contest prep would have to do between 2 and 3 hours of cardio a day (I think).  45 min 5x per week (or more) should help your girl imo.



;D


Also animal, there was a guy on here that was a trainer who said a client of his couldn't lose weight and was eating clean.  Then he discovered she was drinking like 3 non-diet Big Gulps (something like that) a day.  After she stopped that, she lost weight.  Just checking to see there is nothing like that going on.
About 1 tbsp honey
Avo = Avocado

So you would say keep food the same, just increase cardio?

She only drinks calorie free drinks and coffee with a small amount of milk and some sweetener


Title: Re: Thinking of putting GF on 500 cal diet
Post by: animal1991 on October 17, 2012, 09:03:08 AM
So you better send her to scientific research center cause she is breaking all biological law, lol, bro calorie deficit is as concrete as the laws of gravity, save it she is eating everything in sight when you are not looking, wake up.

Do you also know someone who can defy physics
I know I know! Why do you think I'm so frustrated because if she cheats, she doesn't tell me, or something is really wrong with her


Title: Re: Thinking of putting GF on 500 cal diet
Post by: Butterbean on October 17, 2012, 09:04:23 AM
About 1 tbsp honey
Avo = Avocado

So you would say keep food the same, just increase cardio?

She only drinks calorie free drinks and coffee with a small amount of milk and some sweetener

Yes, I would not cut her food.

I'm not a trainer nor a nutritionist, but I would just increase her cardio.  And the intensity.



Title: Re: Thinking of putting GF on 500 cal diet
Post by: Agnostic007 on October 17, 2012, 09:04:28 AM
I've heard the same thing from my brother about his wife... "Atkins won't work for her.." She can't lose weight on 500 cal a day"... I have politely tried to tell him she isn't a scientific anomaly, she is over eating.. but...


Title: Re: Thinking of putting GF on 500 cal diet
Post by: Tapeworm on October 17, 2012, 09:06:24 AM
good luck women they typically lose a few lbs of water from initial diet
then let themselves go again

in 3 years she'll be about 72kg

Now that's the solid I'm talkin' bout.  Brick house.  You can bring the hammer down on that.


;D


You're not so stringy in the hindquarters yourself, stud.


Title: Re: Thinking of putting GF on 500 cal diet
Post by: animal1991 on October 17, 2012, 09:06:53 AM
I've heard the same thing from my brother about his wife... "Atkins won't work for her.." She can't lose weight on 500 cal a day"... I have politely tried to tell him she isn't a scientific anomaly, she is over eating.. but...
If she is, I have no idea where or when!!


Title: Re: Thinking of putting GF on 500 cal diet
Post by: Moen on October 17, 2012, 09:11:34 AM
Onetimehard is correct, the whole story doesn't add up. She somehow seems to create energy to sustain her weight out of nothing. Unless she is an alien, she is eating when you are not with her.


Title: Re: Thinking of putting GF on 500 cal diet
Post by: Agnostic007 on October 17, 2012, 09:11:53 AM
If she is, I have no idea where or when!!

that is kinda what "cheating" is all about isnt it?


Title: Re: Thinking of putting GF on 500 cal diet
Post by: OTHstrong on October 17, 2012, 09:15:09 AM
I know I know! Why do you think I'm so frustrated because if she cheats, she doesn't tell me, or something is really wrong with her
OK try this bro if you want. There is no secrets here, every expert out there wants people to believe that it is rocket science or something but it is not, this is how I get below 5% bodyfat.

Tell her to eat as much protein as she wants and no carbs whatsoever. I do not classify broccoli or asparagus as carbs. The protein she chooses has to be protein only not steak or other proteins high in fat just simple protein foods such as chicken breast and fish.

 As for fat intake, do not take any in the form of foods but rather some dietary fats from a supplement source, keep the fat under 30 grams per day. Trust me I eat 5lb of food some days and get shredded on these guide lines. If you want a limit on the meat( chicken breast and fish that is) cap it off at 20 oz per day then, but really it is not necessary to control or limit your protein in this case.

Oh and you can get her to drink as much diet pop as she likes, this saves my butt every time I diet, I do not know what I would do without the diet pop, maybe go insane


Title: Re: Thinking of putting GF on 500 cal diet
Post by: animal1991 on October 17, 2012, 09:18:05 AM
OK try this bro if you want. There is no secrets here, every expert out there wants people to believe that it is rocket science or something but it is not, this is how I get below 5% bodyfat.

Tell her to eat as much protein as she wants and no carbs whatsoever. I do not classify broccoli or asparagus as carbs. The protein she chooses has to be protein only not steak or other proteins high in fat just simple protein foods such as chicken breast and fish.

 As for fat intake, do not take any in the form of foods but rather some dietary fats from a supplement source, keep the fat under 30 grams per day. Trust me I eat 5lb of food some days and get shredded on these guide lines. If you want a limit on the meat cap it off at 20 oz per day then, but really it is not necessary to control or limit your protein in this case.

Oh and you can get her to drink as much diet pop as she likes, this saves my butt every time I diet, I do not know what I would do without the diet pop, maybe go insane
Ill try it because I don't know what to do anymore


Title: Re: Thinking of putting GF on 500 cal diet
Post by: animal1991 on October 17, 2012, 09:21:02 AM
Cleanest Natural recommended this to me:
Organic red meats, organic leafy bitter greens and organic omega 3 fats (almonds, organic peanut butter, olive oil and avocado)
Eat twice a day. Time of the meals is irrelevant.
20% of the food is meat and the rest is greens and
fats drink distilled water preferably and only water
there is no cheating
1 day a week ..fast with nothing but distilled water
no smoking either during the 5 weeks
at the end, a 3 day fast

Meat portion is 3 oz


Title: Re: Thinking of putting GF on 500 cal diet
Post by: Moen on October 17, 2012, 09:28:12 AM
What diet you put her on doesn't matter now.

First figure out why she has been lying up until now and make sure that the next go-round, she complies.

I'm willing to talk to her about this if you want me to.

I'm an Ex-Nazi so I know how to make people comply to my orders.


Title: Re: Thinking of putting GF on 500 cal diet
Post by: OTHstrong on October 17, 2012, 09:28:17 AM
Ill try it because I don't know what to do anymore
Try it bro for 15 days, that is it, I promise you you will be shocked.

Chicken breast
Fish, tilapia or cod
egg whites  
1 protein shake per day, no carbs

broccoli
asparagus

30 grams of essential fats from dietary supplements.
unlimited diet pop

That is it, keep it simple
Some feel they should replace vitamins and mineral through vitamin and mineral pack(supplements). personally I do not feel the need to as this is a short term diet that works very fast, almost instantly. I lose 40lb in 12 weeks.


Title: Re: Thinking of putting GF on 500 cal diet
Post by: Agnostic007 on October 17, 2012, 09:28:28 AM
Cleanest Natural recommended this to me:
Organic red meats, organic leafy bitter greens and organic omega 3 fats (almonds, organic peanut butter, olive oil and avocado)
Eat twice a day. Time of the meals is irrelevant.
20% of the food is meat and the rest is greens and
fats drink distilled water preferably and only water
there is no cheating
1 day a week ..fast with nothing but distilled water
no smoking either during the 5 weeks
at the end, a 3 day fast

Meat portion is 3 oz

He was messing with you obviously


Title: Re: Thinking of putting GF on 500 cal diet
Post by: dj181 on October 17, 2012, 09:30:03 AM
it's not in the "diet" bro, it's in the training 8)


Title: Re: Thinking of putting GF on 500 cal diet
Post by: Tapeworm on October 17, 2012, 09:30:28 AM
Cleanest Natural recommended this to me:
Organic red meats, organic leafy bitter greens and organic omega 3 fats (almonds, organic peanut butter, olive oil and avocado)
Eat twice a day. Time of the meals is irrelevant.
20% of the food is meat and the rest is greens and
fats drink distilled water preferably and only water
there is no cheating
1 day a week ..fast with nothing but distilled water
no smoking either during the 5 weeks
at the end, a 3 day fast

Meat portion is 3 oz

Never drink distilled water.  It is mineral deficient.

Also, I would murder someone eating only twice a day in diet.


Title: Re: Thinking of putting GF on 500 cal diet
Post by: animal1991 on October 17, 2012, 09:31:17 AM
He was messing with you obviously
You really think so?


Title: Re: Thinking of putting GF on 500 cal diet
Post by: animal1991 on October 17, 2012, 09:32:34 AM
Try it bro for 15 days, that is it, I promise you you will be shocked.

Chicken breast
Fish, tilapia or cod
egg whites  
1 protein shake per day, no carbs

broccoli
asparagus

30 grams of essential fats from dietary supplements.
unlimited diet pop

That is it, keep it simple
Some feel they should replace vitamins and mineral through vitamin and mineral pack(supplements). personally I do not feel the need to as this is a short term diet that works very fast, almost instantly. I lose 40lb in 12 weeks.
Will give it a go and see how it turns out. Thanks


Title: Re: Thinking of putting GF on 500 cal diet
Post by: jprc10 on October 17, 2012, 09:32:39 AM
500 calorie diet is the worst idea ever. What is she going to do when she goes back to eating normally? I'll tell you what, she is going to rebound and end up fatter. Happens with every crash diet out there and it will also happen if you make her do some of the other extreme diets recommended here as the one of pure protein.

Also, she weighs 67 kg at 1.65m...that seems to be a healthy weight imo, why do you want her to lose more?
dj is correct, go by the mirror, if she wants to tighten up a bit or lose some extra fat. Training will be very important, I think dj's advice of the metabolic type workouts is great...much better than the bbing type of split you're making her do.

Most importantly, don't make her crash diet, that will mess up her metabolism and will make her regain everything once the diet is over. Because let's face it, is it an eating pattern you can sustain forever? of course not. A calorie deficit of maybe 500 (you will need to figure out her maintenance levels accurately) would be enough...and as pointed out here, make sure she isn't eating more than what she tells you.


Title: Re: Thinking of putting GF on 500 cal diet
Post by: BIG ACH on October 17, 2012, 09:33:56 AM
How about you stop being a dick and accept her for who she is!  Take a look at the mirror and get your fat ass in the gym!  Asshole!  



 ;D





Just kidding....

Speaking from experience, one year I needed to drop a ton of weight for a show, and went from 270 to 180 in 4 months...  At one point I was down to 800 calories a day with refeeds once a week, it was extreme, but I was a fat fuck...  and I lost a ton of weight, but I also lost a ton of muscle, so I imagine that is to be expected....

Also, you better go ahead and accept the fact that you won't get laid very much, because extreme dieting is not kind on the libido!


Title: Re: Thinking of putting GF on 500 cal diet
Post by: animal1991 on October 17, 2012, 09:35:39 AM
500 calorie diet is the worst idea ever. What is she going to do when she goes back to eating normally? I'll tell you what, she is going to rebound and end up fatter. Happens with every crash diet out there and it will also happen if you make her do some of the other extreme diets recommended here as the one of pure protein.

Also, she weighs 67 kg at 1.65m...that seems to be a healthy weight imo, why do you want her to lose more?
dj is correct, go by the mirror, if she wants to tighten up a bit or lose some extra fat. Training will be very important, I think dj's advice of the metabolic type workouts is great...much better than the bbing type of split you're making her do.

Most importantly, don't make her crash diet, that will mess up her metabolism and will make her regain everything once the diet is over. Because let's face it, is it an eating pattern you can sustain forever? of course not. A calorie deficit of maybe 500 (you will need to figure out her maintenance levels accurately) would be enough...and as pointed out here, make sure she isn't eating more than what she tells you.
I see what your saying. All she really wants is to have a flat stomach, she has a small amount of fat there. But the most important part she wants to firm up is her butt and legs, cause she has a bit of cellulite and she wants to get rid of that. I know a crash diet isn't the way to go, but as I stated I don't know what to do anymore so that she can get the results she wants.


Title: Re: Thinking of putting GF on 500 cal diet
Post by: Viking11 on October 17, 2012, 09:35:59 AM
I didn't read all of the posts, but why does she need ""refeeds"??  Those are for hard training athletes who have been dieting and competition training for weeks on end. She hasn't lost anything, why does she need to refeed?  The refeeds are probably more like binges between what you have her eat and what stuffs in her face in the bathroom.. Women are food whores- and always need to "treat" themselves.  


Title: Re: Thinking of putting GF on 500 cal diet
Post by: Agnostic007 on October 17, 2012, 09:36:06 AM
You really think so?

anyone following that diet will lose weight, but it's an awful way to do it. There are better ways that will cost you less muscle mass than what he proposes. Since I assume he knows something about it, and he recommends that diet to you, I can only assume he is pulling your chain.. Onetimehard's advice makes more sense


Title: Re: Thinking of putting GF on 500 cal diet
Post by: Jizzacked on October 17, 2012, 09:41:19 AM
she is binging on peanut butter cups and big macs every time you turn your back on her.  I suggest hiring a private detective to catch her in the act, and administer the proper shaming she deserves


Title: Re: Thinking of putting GF on 500 cal diet
Post by: OTHstrong on October 17, 2012, 09:45:16 AM
Will give it a go and see how it turns out. Thanks
Yes and if you have a question, pm me, I will be glad to help I live for this shit, would help anyone  8)


Title: Re: Thinking of putting GF on 500 cal diet
Post by: G_Thang on October 17, 2012, 09:48:54 AM
The 500-600 calorie diet will look something like this:
Breakfast:
1-2 coffee with 1-2 tbsp of milk with sweetener

Lunch:
1 Can (120g) Tuna + 40g Avocado + 2 tbsp Trim (low fat mayo) + green fibrous veg
or
4 Whole Eggs + green fibrous veg

Dinner:
100g Ground Beef + green fibrous veg
or
200g Chicken Breast + green fibrous veg

Hahaha, this diet couldn't sustain a pre-school girl.  You put a big oaf like Chaos on this diet, and it would turn him into a withering AIDs patient in 1 month.


Title: Re: Thinking of putting GF on 500 cal diet
Post by: DroppingPlates on October 17, 2012, 10:01:58 AM
She has no willpower, dump her


Title: Re: Thinking of putting GF on 500 cal diet
Post by: POB on October 17, 2012, 01:44:01 PM
I posted the diet in your last thread you obviously know better and didn't follow it. My advice to you would be get a chick that's 10-15lbs under your ideal and that way even if she puts on weight in the relationship she goes from a size 0 to a 1-2,, ;)


Title: Re: Thinking of putting GF on 500 cal diet
Post by: El Diablo Blanco on October 17, 2012, 01:45:08 PM
cut off her leg, problem solved.


Title: Re: Thinking of putting GF on 500 cal diet
Post by: Dr Dutch on October 17, 2012, 01:53:02 PM
Lock her up in a room, with enough water, 3 protein shakes daily, some multivit.
Unlock the room when you think she is at your pleasure...


Title: Re: Thinking of putting GF on 500 cal diet
Post by: King Shizzo on October 17, 2012, 02:04:40 PM
Pussy Pics?


Title: Re: Thinking of putting GF on 500 cal diet
Post by: DroppingPlates on October 17, 2012, 02:17:38 PM
Pussy Pics?

(http://www.meltedbrain.com/imagebin/fatcats/white-fat-cat.jpg)


Title: Re: Thinking of putting GF on 500 cal diet
Post by: dj181 on October 17, 2012, 02:19:53 PM
(http://www.meltedbrain.com/imagebin/fatcats/white-fat-cat.jpg)

lol


Title: Re: Thinking of putting GF on 500 cal diet
Post by: da_vinci on October 17, 2012, 03:41:03 PM
4 fukkin pages and still no pics of said girl?? wtf is happening here o.O


On a contrary - my gf can eat a ton of sugar and still remains lean.. It's easier when genetics maintain leanness..


Title: Re: Thinking of putting GF on 500 cal diet
Post by: dj181 on October 17, 2012, 03:43:10 PM
4 fukkin pages and still no pics of said girl?? wtf is happening here o.O


On a contrary - my gf can eat a ton of sugar and still remains lean.. It's easier when genetics maintain leanness..

does she train?


Title: Re: Thinking of putting GF on 500 cal diet
Post by: da_vinci on October 17, 2012, 03:52:03 PM
does she train?

Nope.


Title: Re: Thinking of putting GF on 500 cal diet
Post by: dj181 on October 17, 2012, 04:03:39 PM
Nope.

genetics play a role with regards to leaness, but IMO their role is rather small

what's more important is a regular, effective and consistant training

i bet that you are over-estimating just how much sugar that she actually eats


Title: Re: Thinking of putting GF on 500 cal diet
Post by: Marty Champions on October 17, 2012, 04:04:57 PM
i would be so happy if my girl gained 100 pounds of ass and tits


Title: Re: Thinking of putting GF on 500 cal diet
Post by: dj181 on October 17, 2012, 04:09:40 PM
i would be so happy if my girl gained 100 pounds of ass and tits

i'm still pissed off with you that you didn't nail that 20 year old hottie slim blondie you posted up a few months back >:( >:( >:(


Title: Re: Thinking of putting GF on 500 cal diet
Post by: da_vinci on October 17, 2012, 04:12:38 PM
genetics play a role with regards to leaness, but IMO their role is rather small

what's more important is a regular, effective and consistant training

i bet that you are over-estimating just how much sugar that she actually eats

Idk man.. I'm the same - I could eat a ton of icecream every day and my body somehow would manage to not convert it to fat (I have a theory that maybe by increased body temperature, as my normal temp is a few grades higher than average.. That would go in had with some of the scientific studies on metabolism and fat accumulation). I know for  a fact that there are many people who can keep their body lean consistently, BUT - if they'd eat a few pizzas here and there for at least a few weeks - they'd start loosing it (must be pretty damn annoying). And my gf (when "in the mood" fot ir) can eat a ton of candies/chocolate/honey/whatever (really lots of that shit) and body weight changes by 3-4lb at most (then goes back to where it was). Imho genetics play a very important role in this homeosthasis, I'd compare it to hair: someone has straight hair, someone has freckles.. and you can keep freckles straight with that hot iron or you can "create" freckles on naturally straight hair, but once you stop doing that - it goes back to where it was..


Title: Re: Thinking of putting GF on 500 cal diet
Post by: hangclean on October 17, 2012, 04:16:24 PM
nobody needs refeeds.

socalled refeeds is a nicer wording for eating trash.

itll slow down the fatloss results.

and yes, women are full of bullshit when it comes to how clean they eat.

a women who is strict on her diet will lose fat.period.
Actually, refeeds are totally necessary on low cal diets to restore leptin levels.  When people drastically reduce calories (carbs especially) lepting goes in the toilet.  a solid day of carb heavy, lower fat eating will get leptin flowing again.  This may not be necessary if the person is using thyroid hormones, but i suspect thi guys girlfriend is not doing that.


Title: Re: Thinking of putting GF on 500 cal diet
Post by: POB on October 17, 2012, 04:29:17 PM
Idk man.. I'm the same - I could eat a ton of icecream every day and my body somehow would manage to not convert it to fat (I have a theory that maybe by increased body temperature, as my normal temp is a few grades higher than average.. That would go in had with some of the scientific studies on metabolism and fat accumulation). I know for  a fact that there are many people who can keep their body lean consistently, BUT - if they'd eat a few pizzas here and there for at least a few weeks - they'd start loosing it (must be pretty damn annoying). And my gf (when "in the mood" fot ir) can eat a ton of candies/chocolate/honey/whatever (really lots of that shit) and body weight changes by 3-4lb at most (then goes back to where it was). Imho genetics play a very important role in this homeosthasis, I'd compare it to hair: someone has straight hair, someone has freckles.. and you can keep freckles straight with that hot iron or you can "create" freckles on naturally straight hair, but once you stop doing that - it goes back to where it was..

I agree with this.  Genetics>diet


Title: Re: Thinking of putting GF on 500 cal diet
Post by: dj181 on October 17, 2012, 04:31:20 PM
I agree with this.  Genetics>diet

Training>genetics>"diet"

FIXED ;)


Title: Re: Thinking of putting GF on 500 cal diet
Post by: doison on October 17, 2012, 04:43:51 PM
Two things.

1: she's only gonna get fatter.

2: she's only gonna fuck you less and less.


Waste your energy on new pussy, preferable one who's mom isn't fat.  This snatch is only going to get fatter and less receptive to entrance.


Title: Re: Thinking of putting GF on 500 cal diet
Post by: Coach is Back! on October 17, 2012, 04:57:30 PM
So I've tried any diet you can think of and my GF just can't lose the weight. She's 67kg and would like to get down to atleast 58, but nothing I've tried with her results in a kg lost.

I've posted before and most you guys are probably tired of hearing about it, but I don't know what to do anymore.

I've had her on keto, balanced, high carb, all ranging in around 1000-1500 cals, which is in a good deficit, and nothing seems to budge.

We went to the doc yesterday to get her thyroid levels checked, so waiting for the results. The doc also prescribed Duromine to see if she can lose weight, but we haven't got it it.

So the only thing I can think of the problem can be that she can't lose weight is hormones, maybe too high estrogen and/or low thyroid levels ? ? ?

I was reading about a 500 cal diet so that she can "force" her body into the fat loss. Some people have gotten good results and kept it off due to keeping their nutrition habits good.

This is my last resort because I don't know what to do anymore.

When she reached her goal weight, hopefully in 4-6 weeks, I was thinking of adding about 100/200 calories every week or so until maintenance is reached.

EDIT:
Forgot to mention refeeds / cheat days would be Saturday and Sunday, in moderation, 2-3 meals at most and stop eating when full.

How much does she weigh? What body type is she? (Ecto, Meso, Endo, etc) What is her level of activity?


Title: Re: Thinking of putting GF on 500 cal diet
Post by: doison on October 17, 2012, 05:05:07 PM
How much does she weigh? What body type is she? (Ecto, Meso, Endo, etc) What is her level of activity?

Body type: squishy
Activity level: spoon movin'
Weight: fat enough to warrant desperate measures


It's all in the thread...perhaps a little more time spent spreading your wealth and a little less time spent being short would help your reading comprehension?


Title: Re: Thinking of putting GF on 500 cal diet
Post by: Coach is Back! on October 17, 2012, 05:06:12 PM
allright man, i'll pm you in a few

and by the way, you don't need to take her cals that low man, what you need to do is change her metabolism, and i'll explain this to you via pm brother

Explain this.

BTW, genetics, diet, exercise....in that order.


Title: Re: Thinking of putting GF on 500 cal diet
Post by: Natural Man on October 17, 2012, 05:06:35 PM
what does her mother and father look like?
if she doesnt train and/or eat less chances are high she ll end looking just like her/him or a mix of them. Anyone can stay lean whatever his/her somatotype if you dont eat too much and train a bit. Its 50% genetics 50% life habits.


Title: Re: Thinking of putting GF on 500 cal diet
Post by: doison on October 17, 2012, 05:07:30 PM
what does her mother look like?

A bag of nickels.


Title: Re: Thinking of putting GF on 500 cal diet
Post by: Coach is Back! on October 17, 2012, 05:09:08 PM
what does her mother look like?

That would come under "genetics" and thats why I put that first in the order.


Title: Re: Thinking of putting GF on 500 cal diet
Post by: Natural Man on October 17, 2012, 05:13:00 PM
That would come under "genetics" and thats why I put that first in the order.
a woman who has a fat endo mother and/or father if she controls her food -calories- intakes and train a bit is not condemned to look like them. 80% of people i d say look like their parents just follow their path blindly, but some people even coming from fat families if they eat healthy and in small quantities from childhood/adolescence wont end looking like their fat parents.

It's very important that young people, start having good eating habits and practise sports very early in their life and eventually see their parents do the same, but it's not a prerequesite, you can have parents who look like shit but raise you differently. Rare tho.

Let's not forget glutony is a sin, that can be learnt, transmitted by caregivers to offsprings. But all sins can be reverted. It's a choice anyone can make at some point.


Title: Re: Thinking of putting GF on 500 cal diet
Post by: dj181 on October 17, 2012, 05:14:15 PM
Explain this.

BTW, genetics, diet, exercise....in that order.

metabolism is changed by activity level

case in point, i've been as low as sub-6 and as high as 20-25% (and i've been at both levels for long periods of time)

when i was 20-25% i ate like a pig and did pussyass training

when i was sub-6 i ate much less and trained like a madman (ie. metabolic conditioning, and trained like an athlete)

so how's come i've varied so much with regards to my level of leanness if it's so dependant upon genetics?




Title: Re: Thinking of putting GF on 500 cal diet
Post by: Coach is Back! on October 17, 2012, 05:18:37 PM
metabolism is changed by activity level

case in point, i've been as low as sub-6 and as high as 20-25% (and i've been at both levels for long periods of time)

when i was 20-25% i ate like a pig and did pussyass training

when i was sub-6 i ate much less and trained like a madman (ie. metabolic conditioning, and trained like an athlete)

so how's come i've varied so much with regards to my level of leanness if it's so dependant upon genetics?




Okay, but that wasn't my question. Do you understand how that activity changed your metabolism? Before I answer, I just want to make sure you understand.


Title: Re: Thinking of putting GF on 500 cal diet
Post by: Natural Man on October 17, 2012, 05:19:42 PM
metabolism is changed by activity level

case in point, i've been as low as sub-6 and as high as 20-25% (and i've been at both levels for long periods of time)

when i was 20-25% i ate like a pig and did pussyass training

when i was sub-6 i ate much less and trained like a madman (ie. metabolic conditioning, and trained like an athlete)

so how's come i've varied so much with regards to my level of leanness if it's so dependant upon genetics?



fact is, anyone whatever his genetics and somatotype if eat small amounts of food and mostly protein instead of tons of fat and carbs, train enough regularly, can look lean/in shape/healthy enough. That "middle ground", "balance", is possible for anyone. Some just grow balanced in that aspect of their lives while others dont. Most of the bad habits, just like genes, are inherited, but anyone can balance it by him/herself. There are some genetical background you cant change tho, but at least whatever your genetics you can contro, change, your body composition/weight/leaness/level of muscularity.  How do you think some people are born pure ectomorphes? they re the result of generations of meso and ectos breeding together to produce extremely lean, toned and tough offsprings.


Title: Re: Thinking of putting GF on 500 cal diet
Post by: dj181 on October 17, 2012, 05:24:19 PM
Okay, but that wasn't my question. Do you understand how that activity changed your metabolism? Before I answer, I just want to make sure you understand.

sorry man, i can't really think too much about it now, since i'm a bit gassed from this metabolic conditioning training that i just did lol

but i guess that it's changed because this kind of training "spikes" or activates hormonal responses, right?

even though 15 said training don't do shit with regards to this, and that it's all coz of his tren and gh LOL!


Title: Re: Thinking of putting GF on 500 cal diet
Post by: dj181 on October 17, 2012, 05:27:11 PM
@ uber

i didn't eat lots of protein when i was ripped, i ate junk like taco hell, wendy's, burger king ect

my wrist is 6 inches at the biggest and thickest part of it, so would that qualify me as an ecto?


Title: Re: Thinking of putting GF on 500 cal diet
Post by: Natural Man on October 17, 2012, 05:37:17 PM
@ uber

i didn't eat lots of protein when i was ripped, i ate junk like taco hell, wendy's, burger king ect

my wrist is 6 inches at the biggest and thickest part of it, so would that qualify me as an ecto?
ectos AND mesos have advantages when it comes to staying lean whatever they eat. For example an ecto will burn/reject everything real quick without transforming any of it in fats, and a meso will tend to transform everything in muscles with low body fat production...while the endo whatever he does, eat, will transform everything into fats.

To be honnest, it aint really that hard to understand; look at your parents somatotypes, and realize your own somatotype is a mix of theirs most of the time, even if in some case offsprings somatotype is simply a copy of only of the parents somatotype.

examples:

endo+ecto = meso
or
endo + ecto = ecto
or endo + ecto = endo

etc.

My mother is an endo and my father a meso, i ended an extreme ecto, while my bigger brother ended a mix of meso and ecto.

It proves others factors are at work when you re being conceived by your mother, when she s pregnant of you; her level of stress during pregnancy, what she eats, the drugs she ingest or dont ingest, will aslo have an impact on your own body's programmation/building.

My mother was extremely anxious while pregnant with me as she was separating with my father, she had to take care of my biggger brother, work, and she smoke while being pregnant with me. As a result even if she is an endo and my father a meso, i somewhat ended being an extreme ecto. Obviously she was so stressed that it deeply modified, with the tobaco daily consuption that went into her placenta, the way my organism developed in the early stages.
My biger brother, born 4 years before me when she was still ok with our father, when he tried to work etc and not to cheat on her, ended being a meso/ecto. She was a lot less stressed while being pregnant with him.


Title: Re: Thinking of putting GF on 500 cal diet
Post by: Jovo on October 17, 2012, 05:50:42 PM
uberman, would you say as a result of your dysfunctional family you ended up the wierd obsessed spazzzy that we know you on getbig today ?



Title: Re: Thinking of putting GF on 500 cal diet
Post by: Natural Man on October 17, 2012, 06:15:33 PM
uberman, would you say as a result of your dysfunctional family you ended up the wierd obsessed spazzzy that we know you on getbig today ?


im weird to some, a positive influence to others...
I'm here to advocate natural weight lifting which is healthy and to expose extremistic, insecure low life on steroids starving for attention while they could fulfil their emptiness doing better things other than injecting shit in their bodies and flexing in front of a miror all life long. That's my character, the member i want to be on here. Some understand, most dont, a few understand later...


Title: Re: Thinking of putting GF on 500 cal diet
Post by: Emmortal on October 17, 2012, 06:16:03 PM
metabolism is changed by activity level

case in point, i've been as low as sub-6 and as high as 20-25% (and i've been at both levels for long periods of time)

when i was 20-25% i ate like a pig and did pussyass training

when i was sub-6 i ate much less and trained like a madman (ie. metabolic conditioning, and trained like an athlete)

so how's come i've varied so much with regards to my level of leanness if it's so dependant upon genetics?

Metabolic rate rarely changes very much in human beings, there has been quite a lot of new information on this as of late.  You can't change your metabolic rate by eating more often like some would have you believe.  You answered your own question in your post, the type of training you were doing when you were fat  and when you were lean was very different.

And FYI, fat people actually have faster metabolisms than skinny people do.


Title: Re: Thinking of putting GF on 500 cal diet
Post by: Jovo on October 17, 2012, 06:35:34 PM
im weird to some, a positive influence to others...
I'm here to advocate natural weight lifting which is healthy and to expose extremistic, insecure low life on steroids starving for attention while they could fulfil their emptiness doing better things other than injecting shit in their bodies and flexing in front of a miror all life long. That's my character, the member i want to be on here. Some understand, most dont, a few understand later...

if you want to advocate natural lifting, would it make sense to post on bb.com ?  

and " better " is ambiguous, it is just a hobby, some people like to modify cars, some like to fly rc air planes/cars, some like to paint and some like to sculp their physique ! Now being extreme in any of these is probably not good, but than again where do you cut off "extreme", to the avarage american, lifting weights and doing cardio 3 times a week and eating a balanced diet is extreme.

 The details of my life are quite inconsequential ... Very well, where do I begin? My father was a relentlessly self-improving boulangerie owner from Belgium with low-grade narcolepsy and a penchant for buggery. My mother was a 15-year-old French prostitute named Chloe with webbed feet. My father would womanize; he would drink. He would make outrageous claims like he invented the question mark. Sometimes, he would accuse chestnuts of being lazy. The sort of general malaise that only the genius possess and the insane lament ... My childhood was typical: summers in Rangoon ... luge lessons ... In the spring, we'd make meat helmets ... When I was insolent I was placed in a burlap bag and beaten with reeds — pretty standard, really. At the age of 12, I received my first scribe. At the age of 14, a Zoroastrian named Vilmer ritualistically shaved my testicles. There really is nothing like a shorn scrotum — it's breathtaking ... I suggest you try it


Title: Re: Thinking of putting GF on 500 cal diet
Post by: Mr Nobody on October 17, 2012, 06:51:11 PM
i would be so happy if my girl gained 100 pounds of ass and tits
Yea man a big ass is outstanding.


Title: Re: Thinking of putting GF on 500 cal diet
Post by: Condor on October 17, 2012, 10:06:20 PM
Geez I read the first post and couldn't get past the metric system...sorry.  I believe this chat board is largely encompassed by Americans.


Title: Re: Thinking of putting GF on 500 cal diet
Post by: OTHstrong on October 17, 2012, 11:18:18 PM
Okay, but that wasn't my question. Do you understand how that activity changed your metabolism? Before I answer, I just want to make sure you understand.
STOP STOP STOP, we get it you are a couch you have to make yourself look good but fuckman this is not rocket science people, wow, you are going to fucken confuse the guy, keep it simple, No carbs, protein from protein only source such as egg white, chicken breast and fish, some greens and 30 grams of essential dietary fats, THAT IS IT, GET SHREDDED.

Throw some cardio in the mix and wolla, fuk people this is how I get my glutes striated, yes striated glutes, shredded, contest shredded

So fucken stop with all this rocket science non sense, I can get this girl shredded writing it down on a napkin with lipstick for crying out loud, YES IT IS THAT SIMPLE.


Title: Re: Thinking of putting GF on 500 cal diet
Post by: Bad Boy Dazza on October 17, 2012, 11:37:44 PM
So fucken stop with all this rocket science non sense, I can get this girl shredded writing it down on a napkin with lipstick for crying out loud, YES IT IS THAT SIMPLE.

Yes I agree, way over-analysed. 


Title: Re: Thinking of putting GF on 500 cal diet
Post by: syntaxmachine on October 17, 2012, 11:38:41 PM
I see what your saying. All she really wants is to have a flat stomach, she has a small amount of fat there. But the most important part she wants to firm up is her butt and legs, cause she has a bit of cellulite and she wants to get rid of that. I know a crash diet isn't the way to go, but as I stated I don't know what to do anymore so that she can get the results she wants.

She can simply spot reduce the buttocks fat by regularly "making it clap."


Title: Re: Thinking of putting GF on 500 cal diet
Post by: Sherief Shalaby on October 17, 2012, 11:56:16 PM
So I've tried any diet you can think of and my GF just can't lose the weight. She's 67kg and would like to get down to atleast 58, but nothing I've tried with her results in a kg lost.

I've posted before and most you guys are probably tired of hearing about it, but I don't know what to do anymore.

I've had her on keto, balanced, high carb, all ranging in around 1000-1500 cals, which is in a good deficit, and nothing seems to budge.

We went to the doc yesterday to get her thyroid levels checked, so waiting for the results. The doc also prescribed Duromine to see if she can lose weight, but we haven't got it it.

So the only thing I can think of the problem can be that she can't lose weight is hormones, maybe too high estrogen and/or low thyroid levels ? ? ?

I was reading about a 500 cal diet so that she can "force" her body into the fat loss. Some people have gotten good results and kept it off due to keeping their nutrition habits good.

This is my last resort because I don't know what to do anymore.

When she reached her goal weight, hopefully in 4-6 weeks, I was thinking of adding about 100/200 calories every week or so until maintenance is reached.

EDIT:
Forgot to mention refeeds / cheat days would be Saturday and Sunday, in moderation, 2-3 meals at most and stop eating when full.

what is her tall??.. if she is not short,.. 65-67 kg is fine.. women must have some meat  ;D


Title: Re: Thinking of putting GF on 500 cal diet
Post by: OTHstrong on October 17, 2012, 11:58:51 PM
She can simply spot reduce the buttocks fat by regularly "making it clap."
??? lol

what is her tall??.. if she is not short,.. 65-67 kg is fine.. women must have some meat  ;D
Sherief.... what is her height? not what is her tall? or you can say .... how tall is she?  ;)  But do not worry about me I am the worst speller anyway  :D


Title: Re: Thinking of putting GF on 500 cal diet
Post by: dj181 on October 18, 2012, 12:07:42 AM
Yea man a big ass is outstanding.

did you happen to see that 20 year old blondie hottie that he posted brother?

she's in yo neck of the woods man (north carolina) so me thinks dat you should go ahead and hook yoself up ;)

p.s. she's got that wild eyed look to her, so i'm sure that she'd be lots of fun in the sack man, plus i bet that she digs it anal style :P


Title: Re: Thinking of putting GF on 500 cal diet
Post by: Palpatine Q on October 18, 2012, 12:22:12 AM
genetics play a role with regards to leaness, but IMO their role is rather small

what's more important is a regular, effective and consistant training

i bet that you are over-estimating just how much sugar that she actually eats

I see you're starting to feel your oats again and posting your idiotic opinions on training.

Animal...before you listen to a word this Moron says....I suggest you visit the training board and look up his "3 phase project"  and see what a shit-talking clueless moron he is. 

PS     he looks like absolute shit.


Title: Re: Thinking of putting GF on 500 cal diet
Post by: Sherief Shalaby on October 18, 2012, 12:46:35 AM
??? lol
Sherief.... what is her height? not what is her tall? or you can say .... how tall is she?  ;)  But do not worry about me I am the worst speller anyway  :D

many thx bro. i really like it when ppl correct my english.. i learn quickly and dont repeat mistakes lol..


Title: Re: Thinking of putting GF on 500 cal diet
Post by: Moen on October 18, 2012, 01:56:46 AM
I can not understand how after I've given my final opinion, we are still discussing this?

If his girl is going to continue lying about her food intake, it doesn't matter what plan he puts her on next.

Even worse, if she's cheating on his diet, she's probably cheating on him as well.

He needs to end it now before he gets hurt and starts making crybaby threads like some elderly emo f a g g o t s around here do when they get their feelings hurt.


Title: Re: Thinking of putting GF on 500 cal diet
Post by: CalvinH on October 18, 2012, 07:27:36 AM
I see you're starting to feel your oats again and posting your idiotic opinions on training.

Animal...before you listen to a word this Moron says....I suggest you visit the training board and look up his "3 phase project"  and see what a shit-talking clueless moron he is. 

PS     he looks like absolute shit.


 ;D


Title: Re: Thinking of putting GF on 500 cal diet
Post by: Andy Griffin on October 18, 2012, 07:31:13 AM
I'm all in favor of you putting her on a strict diet as a reminder of your authority, but I'm not sure how effective it would be for long-term weight loss.


Title: Re: Thinking of putting GF on 500 cal diet
Post by: BigCyp on October 18, 2012, 09:05:31 AM
This will not end well.

Lol just saw the stars, which pro are you and what is the least you have charged for a schmoe job


Title: Re: Thinking of putting GF on 500 cal diet
Post by: Coach is Back! on October 18, 2012, 09:38:46 AM
STOP STOP STOP, we get it you are a couch you have to make yourself look good but fuckman this is not rocket science people, wow, you are going to fucken confuse the guy, keep it simple, No carbs, protein from protein only source such as egg white, chicken breast and fish, some greens and 30 grams of essential dietary fats, THAT IS IT, GET SHREDDED.

Throw some cardio in the mix and wolla, fuk people this is how I get my glutes striated, yes striated glutes, shredded, contest shredded

So fucken stop with all this rocket science non sense, I can get this girl shredded writing it down on a napkin with lipstick for crying out loud, YES IT IS THAT SIMPLE.

No, it's not rocket science. But at least have a basic understanding of what metabolism is and how it works. Have an understanding of what the proper macro break down as to ones body type and weight. You just can't say "low carbs, high protein as a blanket for everyone.


Title: Re: Thinking of putting GF on 500 cal diet
Post by: Roger Bacon on October 18, 2012, 03:27:14 PM
One day binge eating will cancel out 4-6 days of hardcore dieting,

Really?  Not in my personal experience.


Title: Re: Thinking of putting GF on 500 cal diet
Post by: cephissus on October 18, 2012, 03:47:20 PM
lol, groink and ray bringing the pain itt


Title: Re: Thinking of putting GF on 500 cal diet
Post by: lightweight on October 18, 2012, 09:19:22 PM
STOP STOP STOP, we get it you are a couch you have to make yourself look good but fuckman this is not rocket science people, wow, you are going to fucken confuse the guy, keep it simple, No carbs, protein from protein only source such as egg white, chicken breast and fish, some greens and 30 grams of essential dietary fats, THAT IS IT, GET SHREDDED.

Throw some cardio in the mix and wolla, fuk people this is how I get my glutes striated, yes striated glutes, shredded, contest shredded

So fucken stop with all this rocket science non sense, I can get this girl shredded writing it down on a napkin with lipstick for crying out loud, YES IT IS THAT SIMPLE.

You're all roided up though so how's that gonna work out for a natural person?  How about an athlete that needs lots of energy?  Won't they need some carbs in their diet?


Title: Re: Thinking of putting GF on 500 cal diet
Post by: abijahmaniaco on October 18, 2012, 09:22:00 PM
EPIC MOTHER FUCKING FAIL. I'M WARNING YOU.


Title: Re: Thinking of putting GF on 500 cal diet
Post by: garebear on October 18, 2012, 09:50:26 PM
im weird to some, a positive influence to others...
I'm here to advocate natural weight lifting which is healthy and to expose extremistic, insecure low life on steroids starving for attention while they could fulfil their emptiness doing better things other than injecting shit in their bodies and flexing in front of a miror all life long. That's my character, the member i want to be on here. Some understand, most dont, a few understand later...
How many times a day should I pray to Jesus for maximum weight loss?

Thanks!


Title: Re: Thinking of putting GF on 500 cal diet
Post by: Coach is Back! on October 18, 2012, 09:51:45 PM
EPIC MOTHER FUCKING FAIL. I'M WARNING YOU.

Fail what? What are you talking about and who are you deferring.too?


Title: Re: Thinking of putting GF on 500 cal diet
Post by: flipper5470 on October 18, 2012, 09:59:26 PM
Yup...you start ramping up cardio and eliminating carbs and you'll just flatten her out completely.   And she'll want to kick you in the balls as hard as possible.  She may not have the energy to lift her leg...but God help you if she does.

I saw an article online somewhere about this fat little dude who lost 100 lbs in four months by...I kid you not..eliminating foods that were white.  Rice, breads, spuds etc....carbs with color, he ate.


Title: Re: Thinking of putting GF on 500 cal diet
Post by: Coach is Back! on October 18, 2012, 10:02:00 PM
Once again......how much does she weigh? What is her daily activity? What is her body type?


Title: Re: Thinking of putting GF on 500 cal diet
Post by: abijahmaniaco on October 18, 2012, 10:07:25 PM
Fail what? What are you talking about and who are you deferring.too?

this thread. low cal diets. hcg for weight loss. blah blah blah she ain't got no god damn metabolism problem.

simple: don't eat shit. the truth hurts.


Title: Re: Thinking of putting GF on 500 cal diet
Post by: sync pulse on October 18, 2012, 10:09:44 PM
500 calories a day seems excessively low?...Almost starvation?...Would not 1200 a day be more in line with moderation?


Title: Re: Thinking of putting GF on 500 cal diet
Post by: Coach is Back! on October 18, 2012, 10:10:49 PM
this thread. low cal diets. hcg for weight loss. blah blah blah she ain't got no god damn metabolism problem.

simple: don't eat shit. the truth hurts.

No such thing as a "metabolism problem".


Title: Re: Thinking of putting GF on 500 cal diet
Post by: Nomad on October 18, 2012, 10:12:04 PM
Your gf is secretly snacking during nighttime, lunch or whenever you are not around.  :-\


Title: Re: Thinking of putting GF on 500 cal diet
Post by: Coach is Back! on October 18, 2012, 10:18:34 PM
500 calories a day seems excessively low?...Almost starvation?...Would not 1200 a day be more in line with moderation?

No, too low unless you weigh 120lbs and trying drop weight.

Simple calculation is to take your bodyweight x.10 to .12 at the most for dropping fat. Take that number and break it down into macros depending on body type. Can't go on because we don't know the body type. Again, you can't make a blanket statement like "cut carbs" unless you know the details.


Title: Re: Thinking of putting GF on 500 cal diet
Post by: animal1991 on October 18, 2012, 10:25:22 PM
Once again......how much does she weigh? What is her daily activity? What is her body type?
Fluctuates between 65-67kg. 1,65m tall. Weight training 3x a week. Endomorph


Title: Re: Thinking of putting GF on 500 cal diet
Post by: lightweight on October 18, 2012, 10:48:32 PM
No, too low unless you weigh 120lbs and trying drop weight.

Simple calculation is to take your bodyweight x.10 to .12 at the most for dropping fat. Take that number and break it down into macros depending on body type. Can't go on because we don't know the body type. Again, you can't make a blanket statement like "cut carbs" unless you know the details.

200lbs x .10 = 20 calories


Title: Re: Thinking of putting GF on 500 cal diet
Post by: garebear on October 18, 2012, 10:50:13 PM
One does not simply put his girlfriend on a diet.


Title: Re: Thinking of putting GF on 500 cal diet
Post by: Coach is Back! on October 18, 2012, 10:50:31 PM
Fluctuates between 65-67kg. 1,65m tall. Weight training 3x a week. Endomorph

Ok, calculate her lowest bodyweight by 12 (because I would consider that moderately active). Endo's are usually insulin dominant, probably carries fat in her abdominals and low back, mostly. Break it down to about..

35% Protein
25% Carbs
40% fats

Timing is a must. All starchy, sugary carbs should be included only during and after training. Veggies and fruits (about 5:1 ratio) should be eaten at each additional meal.

Now when I say "timing" I don't necessarily mean clock time, but usually with activity, like a training session. Carb tolerance is much improved after exercise, therefore dietary carbs are better utilized duing that period than at any other time. Does this make sense?


Title: Re: Thinking of putting GF on 500 cal diet
Post by: Coach is Back! on October 18, 2012, 10:52:39 PM
200lbs x .10 = 20 calories

Hahaha, I meant x10. lol


Title: Re: Thinking of putting GF on 500 cal diet
Post by: G_Thang on October 18, 2012, 10:54:25 PM
Ok, calculate her lowest bodyweight by .12 (because I would consider that moderately active). Endo's are usually insulin dominant, probably carries fat in her abdominals and low back, mostly. Break it down to about..

35% Protein
25% Carbs
40% fats

Timing is a must. All starchy, sugary carbs should be included only during and after training. Veggies and fruits (about 5:1 ratio) should be eaten at each additional meal.

Now when I say "timing" I don't necessarily mean clock time, but usually with activity, like a training session. Carb tolerance is much improved after exercise, therefore dietary carbs are better utilized duing that period than at any other time. Does this make sense?

 ???

completely Cut the Bad Carbs and force the body to use White Fat for energy.  She'll peal the fat off over night.


Title: Re: Thinking of putting GF on 500 cal diet
Post by: Coach is Back! on October 18, 2012, 10:55:19 PM
???

completely Cut the Bad Carbs and force the body to use White Fat for energy.  She'll peal the fat off over night.

Racist post reported


Title: Re: Thinking of putting GF on 500 cal diet
Post by: animal1991 on October 18, 2012, 10:56:10 PM
Ok, calculate her lowest bodyweight by .12 (because I would consider that moderately active). Endo's are usually insulin dominant, probably carries fat in her abdominals and low back, mostly. Break it down to about..

35% Protein
25% Carbs
40% fats

Timing is a must. All starchy, sugary carbs should be included only during and after training. Veggies and fruits (about 5:1 ratio) should be eaten at each additional meal.

Now when I say "timing" I don't necessarily mean clock time, but usually with activity, like a training session. Carb tolerance is much improved after exercise, therefore dietary carbs are better utilized duing that period than at any other time. Does this make sense?
She carries most of her fat in her thighs and booty. So you would say her goal weight (58kg x 2.2 = 128 lbs) and then times the 128 with 12?


Title: Re: Thinking of putting GF on 500 cal diet
Post by: Bad Boy Dazza on October 18, 2012, 10:56:17 PM

I saw an article online somewhere about this fat little dude who lost 100 lbs in four months by...I kid you not..eliminating foods that were white.  Rice, breads, spuds etc....carbs with color, he ate.

That is an old principle held by many old school bb's  - eliminate white foods to lose weight.


Title: Re: Thinking of putting GF on 500 cal diet
Post by: animal1991 on October 18, 2012, 10:59:21 PM
I like onetimehard's advice. My GF and I did it yesterday and we had zero hunger and good energy. We have done keto for a bit so we can handle low carbs no problem.


Title: Re: Thinking of putting GF on 500 cal diet
Post by: Coach is Back! on October 18, 2012, 11:01:05 PM
She carries most of her fat in her thighs and booty. So you would say her goal weight (58kg x 2.2 = 128 lbs) and then times the 128 with 12?

No, take her current weight. Again, since I consider her moderately active, times it by 12, if she was less active, times it by 10.


Title: Re: Thinking of putting GF on 500 cal diet
Post by: lightweight on October 18, 2012, 11:06:18 PM
I like onetimehard's advice. My GF and I did it yesterday and we had zero hunger and good energy. We have done keto for a bit so we can handle low carbs no problem.

Well I questioned his advice since he is on drugs.  Hopefully he can answer.  I'm not saying he is wrong and I have been following his advice for a couple of days and have lost a couple of pounds already but I have to say I am going to be running a marathon soon and just trying to run a couple of miles I have zero energy.  I need to lose a lot of weight so I don't kill my joints for this marathon.  I'm aiming for 40lbs but 30lbs would be acceptable.  I have less than 3 months to get there.


Title: Re: Thinking of putting GF on 500 cal diet
Post by: Conker on October 18, 2012, 11:07:21 PM
No, too low unless you weigh 120lbs and trying drop weight.

Simple calculation is to take your bodyweight x.10 to .12 at the most for dropping fat. Take that number and break it down into macros depending on body type. Can't go on because we don't know the body type. Again, you can't make a blanket statement like "cut carbs" unless you know the details.

that sounds ridiculous tbh, 120lb is around 8 1/2 stone, no way does any normally functioning 8 1/2 stone person need to go anywhere near as low as 500 cal per day to drop weight.


Title: Re: Thinking of putting GF on 500 cal diet
Post by: animal1991 on October 18, 2012, 11:11:17 PM
Well I questioned his advice since he is on drugs.  Hopefully he can answer.  I'm not saying he is wrong and I have been following his advice for a couple of days and have lost a couple of pounds already but I have to say I am going to be running a marathon soon and just trying to run a couple of miles I have zero energy.  I need to lose a lot of weight so I don't kill my joints for this marathon.  I'm aiming for 40lbs but 30lbs would be acceptable.  I have less than 3 months to get there.
I see what you're saying, but for a marathon you'd definitely need carbs. For bodybuilding / aesthetic purposes cutting out all carbs is do-able, but for what your training for I would do a different approach.

I think onetimehard's advice is solid because it cuts out all the bullshit and just focuses on the essential. Eating protein a few times a day keeps you full and has a thermic effect and is near impossible to overeat on. This in turn keeps calories quite low, so that's a good thing!


Title: Re: Thinking of putting GF on 500 cal diet
Post by: Coach is Back! on October 18, 2012, 11:13:01 PM
that sounds ridiculous tbh, 120lb is around 8 1/2 stone, no way does any normally functioning 8 1/2 stone person need to go anywhere near as low as 500 cal per day to drop weight.

I understand that. he was saying that 1200kcal was good. I was just stating that unless she was 120 (meaning she would take her weight x's 10) 120 x10 = 1200. I was being a bit condescending.


Title: Re: Thinking of putting GF on 500 cal diet
Post by: lightweight on October 18, 2012, 11:19:11 PM
I see what you're saying, but for a marathon you'd definitely need carbs. For bodybuilding / aesthetic purposes cutting out all carbs is do-able, but for what your training for I would do a different approach.

I think onetimehard's advice is solid because it cuts out all the bullshit and just focuses on the essential. Eating protein a few times a day keeps you full and has a thermic effect and is near impossible to overeat on. This in turn keeps calories quite low, so that's a good thing!

Yeah try it out but I don't know if it's going to work for me.  I mean I pushed through runs the last couple of times but I think I will need carbs on higher mileage runs.  I need to lose the fat though.  Also if he's on fatloss and muscle preserving drugs.. test, tren, ect then the diet could effect a natural person different.  For example they lose weight but lose muscle and look skinny fat.


Title: Re: Thinking of putting GF on 500 cal diet
Post by: animal1991 on October 18, 2012, 11:28:35 PM
Yeah try it out but I don't know if it's going to work for me.  I mean I pushed through runs the last couple of times but I think I will need carbs on higher mileage runs.  I need to lose the fat though.  Also if he's on fatloss and muscle preserving drugs.. test, tren, ect then the diet could effect a natural person different.  For example they lose weight but lose muscle and look skinny fat.
Maybe try something like 100-150g carbs a day?

Yes, I know the PED's help, but if a natural does hard weight training, muscle is also mostly retained. And sometimes muscle loss is confused with glycogen loss from the muscle. I don't think the body will just start metabolising its muscle if it still has lots of fat reserves and stimulus is provided to retain muscle. Usually dieting without weight training leads to the skinny fat look.


Title: Re: Thinking of putting GF on 500 cal diet
Post by: Coach is Back! on October 18, 2012, 11:30:07 PM
Okay, I'm done here. LOL


Title: Re: Thinking of putting GF on 500 cal diet
Post by: lightweight on October 18, 2012, 11:36:52 PM
Maybe try something like 100-150g carbs a day?

Yes, I know the PED's help, but if a natural does hard weight training, muscle is also mostly retained. And sometimes muscle loss is confused with glycogen loss from the muscle. I don't think the body will just start metabolising its muscle if it still has lots of fat reserves and stimulus is provided to retain muscle. Usually dieting without weight training leads to the skinny fat look.

Maybe I will try a dose of carbs before a run but seriously I'm so sick of the excess fat I will try anything to get it off.


Title: Re: Thinking of putting GF on 500 cal diet
Post by: animal1991 on October 19, 2012, 12:09:31 AM
Maybe I will try a dose of carbs before a run but seriously I'm so sick of the excess fat I will try anything to get it off.
My GF and I feels exactly the same. LOL


Title: Re: Thinking of putting GF on 500 cal diet
Post by: OTHstrong on October 19, 2012, 04:59:42 AM
No, it's not rocket science. But at least have a basic understanding of what metabolism is and how it works. Have an understanding of what the proper macro break down as to ones body type and weight. You just can't say "low carbs, high protein as a blanket for everyone.
why not, it works for everyone.

You don't bring any carbs in and you will be shredded, simple as that.


Title: Re: Thinking of putting GF on 500 cal diet
Post by: Moen on October 19, 2012, 05:06:36 AM
If his GF can't even stick to a carb-based diet, I doubt she could do a protein only diet. Women already have less serotonin floating around and carbs are needed to produce it. She will get cranky as fuck on a protein only diet. I can't see her doing it for more than a few days, 1 week tops.


Title: Re: Thinking of putting GF on 500 cal diet
Post by: Tapeworm on October 19, 2012, 05:07:08 AM
why not, it works for everyone.

You don't bring any carbs in and you will be shredded, simple as that.

Could strain the relationship.  I heard Titus was low carbing around the time of the incident.


Title: Re: Thinking of putting GF on 500 cal diet
Post by: OTHstrong on October 19, 2012, 05:09:29 AM
You're all roided up though so how's that gonna work out for a natural person?  How about an athlete that needs lots of energy?  Won't they need some carbs in their diet?
Sorry bro, you are wrong, it makes absolutely no difference if you are juiced up or not. You want to lose fat? drop carbs and yes it works for everyone and not one single soul can say it does not, they would be talking shit. As far as low energy is concerned well, when you lose fat that is one of the side effects, deal with it. This is no walk in the park here, or a pie eating contest, this is serious, there has to be sacrifices, nothing in life comes easy.
Of course athletes sense they are burning way more calories can get away with having carbs and still lose fat, adjust accordingly, but if unless you are doing 2 hours of exercise/activities per day, I suggest no carbs for the fastest route possible.
Now having said that, there are things you can take to get you through your day and a little caffeine don't hurt anyone.


Title: Re: Thinking of putting GF on 500 cal diet
Post by: Moen on October 19, 2012, 05:09:43 AM
Carbs are essential for effective dieting and good mood, Wurtman says

Wurtman, director of the Program in Women's Health at the MIT Clinical Research Center, and colleagues have found that when you stop eating carbohydrates, your brain stops regulating serotonin, a chemical that elevates mood and suppresses appetite. And only carbohydrate consumption naturally stimulates production of serotonin.

"When serotonin is made and becomes active in your brain, its effect on your appetite is to make you feel full before your stomach is stuffed and stretched," said Wurtman. "Serotonin is crucial not only to control your appetite and stop you from overeating; it's essential to keep your moods regulated."

Antidepressant medications are designed to make serotonin more active in the brain and extend that activity for longer periods of time to assist in regulating moods. Carbohydrates raise serotonin levels naturally and act like a natural tranquilizer.

Wurtman's husband, Richard Wurtman, the Cecil H. Green Distinguished Professor at MIT and the director of the Clinical Research Center, along with former graduate student John Fernstrom, discovered that the brain makes serotonin only after a person consumes sweet or starchy carbohydrates. But the kicker is that these carbohydrates must be eaten in combination with very little or no protein, the Wurtmans' combined research determined.

So a meal like pasta or a snack of graham crackers will allow the brain to make serotonin, but eating chicken and potatoes or snacking on beef jerky will actually prevent serotonin from being made. This can explain why people may still feel hungry even after they have eaten a 20-ounce steak. Their stomachs are full but their brains may not be making enough serotonin to shut off their appetites.

And what do protein dieters (especially women) miss most after the second week? Carbohydrates. Women have much less serotonin in their brains than men, so a serotonin-depleting diet will make women feel irritable.

"There are people we call carbohydrate cravers who need to eat a certain amount of carbohydrates to keep their moods steady," said, Wurtman, co-founder of Adara, a weight-management company whose programs are based on her research. "Carbohydrate cravers experience a change in their mood, usually in the late afternoon or mid-evening. And with this mood change comes a yearning to eat something sweet or starchy."

Thus, it's not just a matter of will power or mind over matter; the brain is in control and sends out signals to eat carbohydrates. According to Wurtman's clinical studies, if the carbohydrate craver eats protein instead, he or she will become grumpy, irritable or restless. Furthermore, filling up on fatty foods like bacon or cheese makes you tired, lethargic and apathetic. Eating a lot of fat, she said, will make you an emotional zombie.

"When you take away the carbohydrates, it's like taking away water from someone hiking in the desert," Wurtman said. "If fat is the only alternative for a no- or low-carb dieter to consume to satiate the cravings, it's like giving a beer to the parched hiker to relieve the thirst -- temporary relief, but ultimately not effective."


Title: Re: Thinking of putting GF on 500 cal diet
Post by: Red Hook on October 19, 2012, 05:11:06 AM
50 pages later and still no pic  ::)


Title: Re: Thinking of putting GF on 500 cal diet
Post by: Moen on October 19, 2012, 05:12:55 AM
This is why Selective Serotonin Reuptake Inhibitors are frequently given to the obese. You need serotonin to regulate appetite. Your stomach can be stretched beyond belief from protein and fat, you won't feel satiated if there's not enough serotonin present.

They'll start bingeing on carbs rather soon and then all progress is lost.

Women especially are vulnerable to this but many people, men also, just can't do low carb or carb free diets due to the above reason.


Title: Re: Thinking of putting GF on 500 cal diet
Post by: OTHstrong on October 19, 2012, 05:17:51 AM
Well I questioned his advice since he is on drugs.  Hopefully he can answer.  I'm not saying he is wrong and I have been following his advice for a couple of days and have lost a couple of pounds already but I have to say I am going to be running a marathon soon and just trying to run a couple of miles I have zero energy.  I need to lose a lot of weight so I don't kill my joints for this marathon.  I'm aiming for 40lbs but 30lbs would be acceptable.  I have less than 3 months to get there.
Oh shit now I see where you are coming from you are going to run a marathon, good for you bro, awesome experience, I ran one in 09, I was totally out of place being over 200lb bodybuilder, everyone was laughing at me  :D ... had to practically crawl across the finish line and took me over 4 hours but I managed. One of the hardest things I ever did in my life and yes you are right this type of diet is NOT good for someone who is getting ready for a marathon.


Title: Re: Thinking of putting GF on 500 cal diet
Post by: Psychopath on October 19, 2012, 05:24:16 AM
Items needed for, as Borat the Great once said, "Great Success", is as follows.

1. A minimum of 100g carbs/day

2. A daily intake between the caloric range of 800 to 1000cal

3. Stimulants via tablets and drinks. (ephedrine and caffeine)

4. A minimum of 30min daily activity. Vary intensity between training days.

5. Take up smoking or other nicotine delivery methods.

6. Take a complete break after 12months if it should take that long to meet your goals.




Title: Re: Thinking of putting GF on 500 cal diet
Post by: Moen on October 19, 2012, 05:26:34 AM
Items needed for, as Borat the Great once said, "Great Success", is as follows.

1. A minimum of 100g carbs/day

2. A daily intake between the caloric range of 800 to 1000cal

3. Stimulants via tablets and drinks. (ephedrine and caffeine)

4. A minimum of 30min daily activity. Vary intensity between training days.

5. Take up smoking or other nicotine delivery methods.

6. Take a complete break after 12months if it should take that long to meet your goals.




Idd. Something like 200 gr carbs + 50 gr of protein and some fish oil pills would be her ideal diet.


Title: Re: Thinking of putting GF on 500 cal diet
Post by: Psychopath on October 19, 2012, 05:29:46 AM
Idd. Something like 200 gr carbs + 50 gr of protein and some fish oil pills would be her ideal diet.


Yes.

If she manages to stay honest for once in her life and not suck cock glazed in chocolate coated with colourful sprinkles behind her boyfriend's back, then what you suggested is quite all right.


Title: Re: Thinking of putting GF on 500 cal diet
Post by: Palpatine Q on October 19, 2012, 07:31:00 AM
No, too low unless you weigh 120lbs and trying drop weight.

Simple calculation is to take your bodyweight x.10 to .12 at the most for dropping fat. Take that number and break it down into macros depending on body type. Can't go on because we don't know the body type. Again, you can't make a blanket statement like "cut carbs" unless you know the details.

It's 10 to 12,  not .10     that would be 12 calorIes a day, but you get points for trying to be scientific.


Title: Re: Thinking of putting GF on 500 cal diet
Post by: bigmikecox on October 19, 2012, 07:34:38 AM
Crack and apple diet does wonders!



Title: Re: Thinking of putting GF on 500 cal diet
Post by: Coach is Back! on October 19, 2012, 08:34:15 AM
It's 10 to 12,  not .10     that would be 12 calorIes a day, but you get points for trying to be scientific.

Yeah, thanks, I corrected it a while back. As far as being "scientific", it's better than throwing numbers against the wall and hoping it'll stick. Thanks for splitting that hair though!


Title: Re: Thinking of putting GF on 500 cal diet
Post by: Coach is Back! on October 19, 2012, 08:36:33 AM
why not, it works for everyone.

You don't bring any carbs in and you will be shredded, simple as that.

Because most people don't eat, sleep and train. Most other people have lives. Wait, just caught this. Did you just say "don't bring any carbs in", really????????


Title: Re: Thinking of putting GF on 500 cal diet
Post by: OTHstrong on October 19, 2012, 08:51:01 AM
Because most people don't eat, sleep and train. Most other people have lives. Wait, just caught this. Did you just say "don't bring any carbs in", really????????
Why not? I do it all the time, my clients (contest shredded) do it all the time, all this mumbo jumbo is a bunch of non-sense, keep it simple and get the results quick.

actually no carbs does not include certain veggies, asparagus, broccoli, cucumbers, lettuce, tomatoes, etc. Those are allowed.


Title: Re: Thinking of putting GF on 500 cal diet
Post by: Shockwave on October 19, 2012, 09:10:25 AM
Why not? I do it all the time, my clients (contest shredded) do it all the time, all this mumbo jumbo is a bunch of non-sense, keep it simple and get the results quick.

actually no carbs does not include certain veggies, asparagus, broccoli, cucumbers, lettuce, tomatoes, etc. Those are allowed.
Thats fine for people walking on a treadmill, but for people that are actually doing cardiovascular excercize, that shit don't work. Every tried running 3 miles 3x a week on no carbs (in addition to lifting)? Shit don't work.
What you're saying will probably work for a BB that just lifts and walks at a slow pace.


Title: Re: Thinking of putting GF on 500 cal diet
Post by: OTHstrong on October 19, 2012, 09:16:41 AM
Thats fine for people walking on a treadmill, but for people that are actually doing cardiovascular excercize, that shit don't work. Every tried running 3 miles 3x a week on no carbs (in addition to lifting)? Shit don't work.
What you're saying will probably work for a BB that just lifts and walks at a slow pace.
Yes I have no problem, when you take a caffeine pill, there is no difference in energy levels at all. Carbs or no carbs my workouts are the exact same and my energy levels are through the roof while I am training due to the stimulants besides no one says it is going to be easy, dieting is tough no matter the diet, it is called WILL POWER


Title: Re: Thinking of putting GF on 500 cal diet
Post by: Shockwave on October 19, 2012, 09:17:56 AM
Yes I have no problem, when you take a caffeine pill, there is no difference in energy levels at all.
Horseshit, absolute horseshit bro. FYI, by run, I mean RUN, like 8.5 mph, 3 miles in 21 minutes. Or doing any sort of exhaustive endurance training.


Title: Re: Thinking of putting GF on 500 cal diet
Post by: OTHstrong on October 19, 2012, 09:20:58 AM
Horseshit, absolute horseshit bro.
You do not know what you are talking about, it works perfectly fine for me and everyone I have dealt with. You can cry horseshit all you want but the results speak for themselves on my physique and many others, talk is cheap bro. You just have no will power, get over it.


Title: Re: Thinking of putting GF on 500 cal diet
Post by: Shockwave on October 19, 2012, 09:23:13 AM
You do not know what you are talking about, it works perfectly fine for me and everyone I have dealt with. You can cry horseshit all you want but the results speak for themselves on my physique and many others, talk is cheap bro. You just have no will power, get over it.
It works great when you walk on a treadmill at 3.0mph and a 5% incline and doing your brutal bodybuilding workout, yes. But whatever bro, I'm not going to argue with you.


Title: Re: Thinking of putting GF on 500 cal diet
Post by: OTHstrong on October 19, 2012, 09:30:21 AM
It works great when you walk on a treadmill at 3.0mph and a 5% incline and doing your brutal bodybuilding workout, yes. But whatever bro, I'm not going to argue with you.
then do not argue, I do not give a shit.

I do not walk on the tread mill, I run, I have always run and I run 3-5 miles daily on no carbs, pop a caffeine pill and I am good to go. I still do 400 for reps on the bench, 500lb for reps on deadlifts, still curl the 80s, still come in with striated glutes, all on no carbs. Stimulants is key to get you through your workouts and I still drop 40lb in 12 weeks. But ya you are right it does not work for the weak, maybe that is why you find it does not work for you. Proof is in the results not your mouth bro.


Title: Re: Thinking of putting GF on 500 cal diet
Post by: Shockwave on October 19, 2012, 09:40:47 AM
But ya you are right it does not work for the weak, maybe that is why you find it does not work for you. Proof is in the results not your mouth bro.
::)


Title: Re: Thinking of putting GF on 500 cal diet
Post by: OTHstrong on October 19, 2012, 09:45:01 AM
::)
lol, cry me a river  ;)


Title: Re: Thinking of putting GF on 500 cal diet
Post by: Shockwave on October 19, 2012, 09:50:35 AM
lol, cry me a river  ;)
Yes, we get it, anyone that doesn't think your diet works for every single person of every different level of activity and athleticism is simply weak willed. You keep gettin' down wit' ya bad self.


Title: Re: Thinking of putting GF on 500 cal diet
Post by: OTHstrong on October 19, 2012, 10:00:00 AM
Yes, we get it, anyone that doesn't think your diet works for every single person of every different level of activity and athleticism is simply weak willed. You keep gettin' down wit' ya bad self.
Bro this is the problem with getbig, to many shit talkers on here, scroll up and check my post I told the next guy that this diet WILL NOT WORK if you are going to run a marathon, it will not work for any world class athlete, it will not work for a fighter and it will not work for all types of people and it is not that it will not work, it is just that it would hinder their other goals, that is why it will not work.

But from a physical biological stand point, No carbs means you will eventually get shredded, anyone would.

So stop putting words in my mouth bro. The funny thing is I am a roofer, do you even know how physically demanding my job is and how laborous it is and I still manage to do no carbs, so there is no excuses.


Title: Re: Thinking of putting GF on 500 cal diet
Post by: OTHstrong on October 19, 2012, 10:13:23 AM
nah refeds are overrated.if one eats 50-100gramms carbs a day he dont need any refeed.

if one eats 0-50 carbs a day, a meal with 200gramms fast carbs and saturated fats will be enough.


this is true also why schedule a carb day or even a carb meal, why not keep going until you break and can not handle it anymore. That is what I do and sometime I go as high as 10 days with no carbs.


Title: Re: Thinking of putting GF on 500 cal diet
Post by: Shockwave on October 19, 2012, 10:14:12 AM
Bro this is the problem with getbig, to many shit talkers on here, scroll up and check my post I told the next guy that this diet WILL NOT WORK if you are going to run a marathon, it will not work for any world class athlete, it will not work for a fighter and it will not work for all types of people and it is not that it will not work, it is just that it would hinder their other goals, that is why it will not work.

But from a physical biological stand point, No carbs means you will eventually get shredded, anyone would.

So stop putting words in my mouth bro. The funny thing is I am a roofer, do you even know how physically demanding my job is and how laborous it is and I still manage to do no carbs, so there is no excuses.
Ah, my bad. I only caught the last page. Thats my fault.


Title: Re: Thinking of putting GF on 500 cal diet
Post by: OTHstrong on October 19, 2012, 10:17:38 AM
Ah, my bad. I only caught the last page. Thats my fault.
;) 8)


Title: Re: Thinking of putting GF on 500 cal diet
Post by: Moen on October 19, 2012, 10:27:48 AM
Even regardless of training, if you have low serotonin levels to begin with, you are going to be fucked with no or low carbs. Serotonin is a very important important hormone. Perhaps funnily enough, it IS the will power/self confidence neurotransmitter.

When you manage to get your serotonin too low (which would very likely happen to most people on no or low carb diets), expect these symptoms among others:

You'll be cold all the time (serotonin regulates body temperature), you'll be (even more so) hungry all the time, irritated, down, anxious, aggressive, fatigue, no energy, worrying, guilt, whole body aches including joints and muscles, headache, ...

There's no way to will power yourself through this, you will be completely miserable. Stimulants deplete serotonin even further eventually so those will make it even worse. All this for something that could just as well have been done with plenty of carbohydrates.

You may have very high serotonin levels naturally or just be a complete Rambo Onetimehard (or both). Either way, congrats on pulling it all off. I can't see too many people doing it.


Title: Re: Thinking of putting GF on 500 cal diet
Post by: OTHstrong on October 19, 2012, 10:38:22 AM
Even regardless of training, if you have low serotonin levels to begin with, you are going to be fucked with no or low carbs. Serotonin is a very important important hormone. Perhaps funnily enough, it IS the will power/self confidence neurotransmitter.

When you manage to get your serotonin too low (which would very likely happen to most people on no or low carb diets), expect these symptoms among others:

You'll be cold all the time (serotonin regulates body temperature), you'll be (even more so) hungry all the time, irritated, down, anxious, aggressive, fatigue, no energy, worrying, guilt, whole body aches including joints and muscles, headache, ...

There's no way to will power yourself through this, you will be completely miserable. Stimulants deplete serotonin even further eventually so those will make it even worse. All this for something that could just as well have been done with plenty of carbohydrates.

You may have very high serotonin levels naturally or just be a complete Rambo Onetimehard (or both). Either way, congrats on pulling it all off. I can't see too many people doing it.

I do not disagree per say and I also agree some of these sides could be reduced slightly by incorporating carbs, however once you dip below 8% bodyfat, no matter the diet you are on, the sides are all the same cause your body is depleted, so I just get to the point instead of postponing the inevitable besides I rather suffer for 10-12 weeks then suffer ( slightly less albeit) for 16-20 weeks with the same results. I do not like paying for the same real estate twice.


Title: Re: Thinking of putting GF on 500 cal diet
Post by: Shockwave on October 19, 2012, 10:52:17 AM
and i, i saw that advertisement where they sell the golden gate bridge for 10usd.

did you really believe this bs article.

let me name you some colourfull carb sources:

winegums...

bread crust

all fruits

coke,sprite, various milkshakes.

"fatfree jelly"

the list goes on
I think he means refined white sugars.


Title: Re: Thinking of putting GF on 500 cal diet
Post by: Coach is Back! on October 19, 2012, 10:53:27 AM
Yes I have no problem, when you take a caffeine pill, there is no difference in energy levels at all. Carbs or no carbs my workouts are the exact same and my energy levels are through the roof while I am training due to the stimulants besides no one says it is going to be easy, dieting is tough no matter the diet, it is called WILL POWER

You cannot be serious with this. Stimulants are not only a false sense of "energy" but it's also not a true "energy". Stimulants (depending on the stimulant) effects spikes your insulin levels for a very short period as well as you CNS, as you train, insulin levels drop and your basically for shit after that unless, like I said, you're taking in carbs during and after training.


Title: Re: Thinking of putting GF on 500 cal diet
Post by: Coach is Back! on October 19, 2012, 10:59:32 AM
Bro this is the problem with getbig, to many shit talkers on here, scroll up and check my post I told the next guy that this diet WILL NOT WORK if you are going to run a marathon, it will not work for any world class athlete, it will not work for a fighter and it will not work for all types of people and it is not that it will not work, it is just that it would hinder their other goals, that is why it will not work.

But from a physical biological stand point, No carbs means you will eventually get shredded, anyone would.

So stop putting words in my mouth bro. The funny thing is I am a roofer, do you even know how physically demanding my job is and how laborous it is and I still manage to do no carbs, so there is no excuses.

But you said it would work for anyone, which brings me back to my original point and questions....What is the weight, what is the ACTIVITY LEVEL and what is the body type.

How are YOU personally, calculating your clients caloric and macro needs? Are you guessing, are you using a cookie cutter "bodybuilding"' diet or what? How are you determining this. You have some people on here agreeing with you for the sole reason (I'm assuming) because it's too much work to actually design a program to fit their needs.

Also, you need to understand what actual "energy" is.


Title: Re: Thinking of putting GF on 500 cal diet
Post by: Coach is Back! on October 19, 2012, 11:02:21 AM
coach, stop the bullshit.

theres no ratio that fits everyone.

it goes like this, follow onetimehards advice for fastest fatloss possible.

before every next meal, wait till youre really hungry, then wait another hour, then eat a bit and wait again till very hungry.rinse repeat.

magic one size fits all formulas sound good and cater to the gullible and lazy clowns, but the truth on this issue is, to get rid of fat, everyone needs to suffer a bit over some extended period of time.

the fat didnt come overnight outta nowhere, it wont go overnight either.

Bullshit, there's a close approximate of calories to macro breakdowns.


Title: Re: Thinking of putting GF on 500 cal diet
Post by: Shockwave on October 19, 2012, 11:03:11 AM
But you said it would work for anyone, which brings me back to my original point and questions....What is the weight, what is the ACTIVITY LEVEL and what is the body type.

How are YOU personally, calculating your clients caloric and macro needs? Are you guessing, are you using a cookie cutter "bodybuilding"' diet or what? How are you determining this. You have some people on here agreeing with you for the sole reason (I'm assuming) because it's too much work to actually design a program to fit their needs.

Also, you need to understand what actual "energy" is.
I think his point is that everyone can get shredded cutting carbs out, which is probably true as an extremely general rule.


Title: Re: Thinking of putting GF on 500 cal diet
Post by: OTHstrong on October 19, 2012, 11:09:18 AM
You cannot be serious with this. Stimulants are not only a false sense of "energy" but it's also not a true "energy". Stimulants (depending on the stimulant) effects spikes your insulin levels for a very short period as well as you CNS, as you train, insulin levels drop and your basically for shit after that unless, like I said, you're taking in carbs during and after training.
First of all I can care less of your stupid terminology that means nothing bro, so what fake energy, real energy, who gives a fuck, the fact is they work and I still crack 10 reps with 4 plates per side on the bench because of the stimulents and that is the bottom line and that is all that matters, save your rocket science language for someone else who is paying you.

I understand you have to make yourself look suffisticated cause you are charging thousands for something I could have wrote on a napkin with lipstick during my coffee brake.


Title: Re: Thinking of putting GF on 500 cal diet
Post by: OTHstrong on October 19, 2012, 11:16:16 AM
But you said it would work for anyone, which brings me back to my original point and questions....What is the weight, what is the ACTIVITY LEVEL and what is the body type.

How are YOU personally, calculating your clients caloric and macro needs? Are you guessing, are you using a cookie cutter "bodybuilding"' diet or what? How are you determining this. You have some people on here agreeing with you for the sole reason (I'm assuming) because it's too much work to actually design a program to fit their needs.

Also, you need to understand what actual "energy" is.
Stop sweating the small stuff. It does work for anyone, but when I said it does not work for anyone I meant because it would hinder their progress in their other endeavours, hence it will not work for them from that point of view, do you not know how to read I clarified this in my post bro.

and how do I calculate things well I do not pretend to use all these terminology or scientific Bull shit to justify them paying me, you want to scam people with all that shit so be it. Not my style, I get people in shredded contest condition and some have won overalls at shows so do not worry about me bro.


Title: Re: Thinking of putting GF on 500 cal diet
Post by: The Wizard of Truth on October 19, 2012, 11:18:13 AM
My wife is sitting beside me now eating Pringles. I'm trying to fatten her up a bit


Title: Re: Thinking of putting GF on 500 cal diet
Post by: OTHstrong on October 19, 2012, 11:25:55 AM
would you say the same about efedrine?

i wouldnt.

besides, the point of stimulants is to have more energy for the workout, how you feel afterwards is meaningless.
EXACTLY


Title: Re: Thinking of putting GF on 500 cal diet
Post by: Shockwave on October 19, 2012, 11:27:32 AM
carbs are all pretty much metabolized into sugars.
Of course, but some are metabolized much faster than others.


Title: Re: Thinking of putting GF on 500 cal diet
Post by: Coach is Back! on October 19, 2012, 11:42:05 AM
would you say the same about efedrine?

i wouldnt.

besides, the point of stimulants is to have more energy for the workout, how you feel afterwards is meaningless.

Yes, and why wouldn't you?


Title: Re: Thinking of putting GF on 500 cal diet
Post by: OTHstrong on October 19, 2012, 11:51:01 AM
Yes, and why wouldn't you?
They get the job done and that is all that matters.


Title: Re: Thinking of putting GF on 500 cal diet
Post by: Coach is Back! on October 19, 2012, 12:38:56 PM
"In a diet the only energy comes.from gear" is it any wonder why this industry is completely fucked?


Title: Re: Thinking of putting GF on 500 cal diet
Post by: Agnostic007 on October 19, 2012, 12:57:15 PM
"In a diet the only energy comes.from gear" is it any wonder why this industry is completely fucked?

^^
Man I hate this.. but coach got something right..


Title: Re: Thinking of putting GF on 500 cal diet
Post by: Moen on October 19, 2012, 01:24:35 PM
is wrtman shreedded?has he ever been?

if no, he can fuck right off.

carbs are not esential for anything, and esp not for a fatloss diet.

Carbs are very much needed to keep the most important neurotransmitter at optimal levels. Carbs are also needed to keep your thyroid functioning properly. Fat and protein are not the body's preferred fuel source and being in ketosis is generally not considered healthy by the medical community.

Saying carbs are not necessary is a bit of a stretch to say the least.

Fat is also not necessary, you won't die if the only thing you ever ate were carbohydrates, a little protein and no fat whatsoever, not even those "essential" fats. Obviously no one is going to do this but it still stands. I haven't eaten "essential" fats in years and my health is top notch.

But above all, it's unnecessary, you can get just as shredded on a high carb diet consisting of equal total kcals. Not every contest bodybuilder is on a keto or low carb diet.


Title: Re: Thinking of putting GF on 500 cal diet
Post by: Moen on October 19, 2012, 01:30:49 PM
I do not disagree per say and I also agree some of these sides could be reduced slightly by incorporating carbs, however once you dip below 8% bodyfat, no matter the diet you are on, the sides are all the same cause your body is depleted, so I just get to the point instead of postponing the inevitable besides I rather suffer for 10-12 weeks then suffer ( slightly less albeit) for 16-20 weeks with the same results. I do not like paying for the same real estate twice.

Suffering is inevitable either way yes.


Title: Re: Thinking of putting GF on 500 cal diet
Post by: bigmc on October 19, 2012, 01:34:11 PM
either accept your girl for who she is or leave her

telling a woman how to diet is tantomount to sticking your dick in a lions mouth

you will undermine her confidence and make her feel bad about herself

she will over eat and put more weight on and feel worse and worse

if that makes you feel better about yourself then you are an insecure bully

take care of making yourself look good and be supportive about her


Title: Re: Thinking of putting GF on 500 cal diet
Post by: abijahmaniaco on October 19, 2012, 11:33:28 PM
yeah, but, for a diet where fatloss is the goal, slow metabolizing carbs arent exactly optimal choice.

during fatloss, one should aim for as little insulin release as possible,

now whats worse for a diet, a permanent slight insulin release from complex carbs or a random harsh sugar spike here and there.?

i dont like having my system flooded with complex carbs for a diet, i think it slows down the results.

in a diet, energy comes from the gear.

i'm sorry, but you're seriously a dumbass. complex carbs provide steady energy that you're more likely to utilize than a tremendous sugar payload from, say, a snickers bar. that creates an insulin emergency. it has to get the tremendous excess of sugar out of the blood NOW! and there's only one place to take it—fat!

i would have said you're deluded, but i feel you are justifying your ridiculous theory so you can eat how you wish and not feel convicted about it.


Title: Re: Thinking of putting GF on 500 cal diet
Post by: abijahmaniaco on October 19, 2012, 11:38:05 PM
either accept your girl for who she is or leave her

telling a woman how to diet is tantomount to sticking your dick in a lions mouth

you will undermine her confidence and make her feel bad about herself

she will over eat and put more weight on and feel worse and worse

if that makes you feel better about yourself then you are an insecure bully

take care of making yourself look good and be supportive about her

^there's a lot of wisdom in this.

if you don't like her the way she is, leave her. trying to change somebody into who you want them to be never works. find another and this time don't settle for a fixer-upper!


Title: Re: Thinking of putting GF on 500 cal diet
Post by: hangclean on October 19, 2012, 11:47:30 PM
i do the exact same thing, i go on untill i mentally break, to the point where , when i walk past a pice of bread in a mall, that theres no holding anymore, then i do an absolutely epic 15k calories binge, and it dont even affect me badly, as everything is diarrhead out very soon after ;D

my record is 30 days btw :)

but that was with higher fat intake.

those protein only days, my best was maybe 2 weeks
My point is that the diet will work better if a low-fat high carb refeed is used once a week.  Of course, you would go 2 weeks no carb before you start doing this, but once you try it that way it really does work better.  Most peoples weight loss starts to stall around the 3 week mark on a no carb diet and that is because of zero leptin being produced.  As I said before, if using t3, it doesnt really matter, but I have found that the one day of carb loading on a diet like this makes you look way better during the week.


Title: Re: Thinking of putting GF on 500 cal diet
Post by: animal1991 on October 20, 2012, 02:36:01 AM
^there's a lot of wisdom in this.

if you don't like her the way she is, leave her. trying to change somebody into who you want them to be never works. find another and this time don't settle for a fixer-upper!
I don't have a problem with her body. She wants lose fat because she wants to compete next year and look good on the beach. I've never had a problem with her body.


Title: Re: Thinking of putting GF on 500 cal diet
Post by: Rami on October 20, 2012, 02:41:53 AM
a 500 cal diet is stupid and probably no healthy at all. as long as she is natural muscle toning exercises is the way to go for more lean body, cardio is not needed either.


Title: Re: Thinking of putting GF on 500 cal diet
Post by: DroppingPlates on October 20, 2012, 02:59:18 AM
You better not marry her


Title: Re: Thinking of putting GF on 500 cal diet
Post by: bigmc on October 20, 2012, 03:27:14 AM
I don't have a problem with her body. She wants lose fat because she wants to compete next year and look good on the beach. I've never had a problem with her body.

does she like getting it in the ass


Title: Re: Thinking of putting GF on 500 cal diet
Post by: Moen on October 20, 2012, 03:36:09 AM
I don't have a problem with her body. She wants lose fat because she wants to compete next year and look good on the beach. I've never had a problem with her body.

I see you are a Mentzer-fan, why not put her on his exact diet recommendations? He has a Heavy Duty Nutrition booklet out (google it, it's free in .pdf) that's basically a no-bs diet. It would translate into what I recommended give or take. Sane nutritional advice she could stick to without becoming miserable.


Title: Re: Thinking of putting GF on 500 cal diet
Post by: Moen on October 20, 2012, 03:37:39 AM
Link:

http://rapidshare.com/files/23820783..._Nutrition.rar

Password: bodybuildingpt


Title: Re: Thinking of putting GF on 500 cal diet
Post by: animal1991 on October 20, 2012, 07:42:26 AM
I see you are a Mentzer-fan, why not put her on his exact diet recommendations? He has a Heavy Duty Nutrition booklet out (google it, it's free in .pdf) that's basically a no-bs diet. It would translate into what I recommended give or take. Sane nutritional advice she could stick to without becoming miserable.
Yes I have the book. 65C/25P/10F I think is his ratios as I can remember. I've had her on that diet before and she didn't really respond well to it. I think the higher protein route is the way to go with her.


Title: Re: Thinking of putting GF on 500 cal diet
Post by: abijahmaniaco on October 20, 2012, 02:24:20 PM
fatty genetic is fatty no matter what

oh bullshit. shit diet passed from generation to generation is the only thing "genetic" about it. why don't they have fat people in third world countries? you think they have a monopoly on genetics or something? dumbass

(http://i454.photobucket.com/albums/qq263/merkitroid3/charts%20posters%20saying/genetics-premium-ice-cream.jpg)